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Introducing Dino Dogan
Todays guest joining us on the Join Up Dots business coaching podcast interview, is Dino Dogan.
He is a man who can attest to have tried, enjoyed and had mixed success at many things before finding his true calling in life.
From a musician, to a blogger, to martial arts participant, to even a dog trainer, it seems that his path to success has been a mixed one.
But as we see time and time again on Join Up Dots, getting to where everything pulls together in life is often a bit of a journey.
And its only by looking back and guess what,…Joining Up Those dots that you can see how it all began working for you.
Dino Dogan, found the thing that has taken him to the top, by realising his limitations as a blogger.
How The Dots Joined Up For Dino
He realised that no matter how much content he was producing not enough people were seeing it.
“How the hell do you get your content out to the widest audience possible?” he thought.
It’s all right, writing the latest works of Shakespeare, but if no one gets to see it then what’s the point?
So Dino created Triberr, an online community of bloggers who work together to share each others content.
And the rest, as they say is history, and now with this success under his belt, he is now a sought after speaker, strategic Marketing consultant, and if you need a love song banged out for your special person, I’m sure he could do that too.
Well let’s bring onto the show to start joining up dots, as we discuss the words of Steve Jobs with the one and only Dino Dogan
During the episode we discussed such weighty topics such as:
How you don’t need a qualification to get going in life…..just do it!
How Dino Dogan would love to create his own virtual country online…with passports and everything!
Why he fears the word “Success” in case it makes his drive to achieve diminish into laziness!
How he used to work for 15 minutes a week for a six figure salary!
How everything in life leads to a “Feeling”, and why we should pay attention to how we feel!
Why he believes that the school system across the world is flawed!
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Audio Transcription Of Dino Dogan Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes, hello world. How are we all today? I hope you kicking ass and fighting. But and I know Bobby, don’t do that. But certainly go for your dreams because that’s what this show is all about. And we’ve got a chap today who I’ve been just chatting with him beforehand. He’s going to provide amazing content because he is a man who is rocking and rolling with the best of them. Today’s guest is a man who can attest to have tried, enjoyed and mixed success at many things before finding his true calling in life. From a musician to a blogger, to a martial arts participant to even a dog trainer, it seems that he’s playing to success. It’s been a mixed one. But as we see time and time again and Join Up Dots getting to where everything pulls together in life is often a bit of a journey anyway. And it’s only been looking back in guess what joining those dots that you can see how it all began working for you. Our guest found the thing that has taken him to the top by realising his limitations as a blogger, he realised that no matter how much content he was producing, not enough people were seeing it. How the hell do you get your content out to the widest audience possible? He thought it’s all like writing the latest works of Shakespeare. But if no one gets to see it, then what’s the point? So our guest created Treiber, an online community of bloggers who work together to share each other’s content. And as they say, the rest is history. And now with this success under his belt, he’s now a sought after speaker, strategic marketing consultant. And if you need a love song banged out be a special person. I’m sure we could do that too. We’re touch on that later. So let’s bring onto the show to start Join Up Dots. The one and only Mr. Dino Dogan. How are you doing? Oh,
Dino Dogan [2:01]
hi, great, David, how you doing?
David Ralph [2:03]
I am rocking and rolling up. I feel particularly excited tonight is what quarter to eight in the United Kingdom. And I’ve been working all day. And I feel I feel like I’m on drugs. I’m not on drugs. I must just be high with the excitement of speaking to you, sir. Very good. Thank you. You can I start with a couple of things you did one of the best darling impressions I’ve ever heard in America. Whenever I say anything about Dr. Hoover, it’s very rare but the American population really know what I’m talking about. Are you a Doctor Who fan or are you just somebody that likes to do a metallic voice every now and again?
Dino Dogan [2:43]
Well, it’s actually both I my favourite Doctor Who is the one from I think it’s in the 70s the one with the scarf and a curly hair. Tom. That’s my favourite Doctor Who?
David Ralph [2:54]
Yes. He was my doctor who I’m 44 years old. How are you? How old are you, sir? I’m 38. Right. Okay, so we’re not a million miles away. And no, not at all doctor who stopped for quite a while. And so when I was growing up, it was Tom Baker, as you say curly hair and a scar. And now you sort of watch it with David Tennant and Matt Smith. And it’s like watching movies, you know, his big budget stuff. And my son kind is 12 and he started growing up with the latest Doctor Who? And so I said to him one day, ah, the old ones, the old ones. These are the good ones. You know, we should watch these. This is my doctor because we’ve all got your own doctor. He’s like, you’ve got your James Bond, isn’t it? The ones that you with? And I said to him, this is the one this is the doctor who I watch 10 minutes of it. It was rubbish. Beyond rubbish, I don’t know how to go back and never go back. No, it’s much better in your memories. What is your memories of it like though? Is it rose tinted?
Dino Dogan [3:55]
Oh, he did. I mean, you know, it was so exciting. You know what I mean? His swagger and Travelling through time. I mean, you know, I’m 10 years old sitting on a couch. I you know, I remember as if it was yesterday. It was it was amazing. It was a romp. It was it was awesome. But my
David Ralph [4:13]
best kind of anecdote about Deluxe, and it’s not really Deluxe, but he kind of reminded me of it. You know those people, unfortunately, that have had a tracheotomy. And they have to stick like a metallic Afro, and I don’t like that song. Now, I’ve never met anybody who’s had a tracheotomy at all ever. And I was in New York one day and we went into this restaurant or this fast food place can’t quite remember it was and there must have been a tracheotomy convention. Because on the table whiners. There was 16 people with bows, yes are half their fries. I won’t have that fries too. And it was it was like an amazing darling convention behind me. Now that that is that is surreal. That is astonishing, isn’t it?
Dino Dogan [5:00]
Yeah. That is surreal. Well, one great storey deserves another. I’ll tell you the most amazing thing I’ve ever seen. How’s that? going for it? Alright, so, bunch of years ago, I visited a good friend of mine. We grew up together. He lives in Sweden. So I visited him in Sweden, and I saw the most amazing thing I’ve ever seen. Now for this to make sense. You need to know that I play a piano a little bit. Okay at it. Not great. It’s not a brag, but it’s relevant to the storey. So I I play a piano. So when I see a great piano player or a keyboard player, I recognise what is the that’s why it’s relevant. So have you ever been to Stockholm? David? No, I haven’t. It’s an amazing city. I highly recommend that it’s the size of New York, but all the buildings are, you know, they’re not skyscrapers. They were like 5678 storeys tall. So that way, all the exhaust fumes and all that stuff kind of evaporates very easily. It’s a very nice, very clean city. in it. There’s a main drag cobbled streets goes for miles. And in the summertime, every block has something happening. You know, the magic act, a juggler musicians, mostly right? from all over the world. And on one corner, there was a dude strapped in a wheelchair. So he’s sitting in a wheelchair. His arms are strapped to the wheelchair. He’s drooling out of the side of his mouth. And he’s playing a keyboard. He’s playing a classical piece better than I could if I spent months practising. He’s playing it on a keyboard with his toes.
David Ralph [6:52]
With his toes, and what with his toes, watch him was he playing?
Dino Dogan [6:58]
I don’t remember. Exactly. But he was a classical piece. And he was playing he was I he plays a better piano than I could.
David Ralph [7:07]
Can I ask you, Mr. Erdogan, and I don’t want to say that you’re naive, because I’ve only just met you. But was it an electronic keyboard?
Dino Dogan [7:15]
It was an electronic keyboard. And it wasn’t set to the demo.
David Ralph [7:18]
How do you know? How do you know that’s what I was gonna ask? How do you know who’s out
Dino Dogan [7:22]
cuz I’m a sceptic.
David Ralph [7:25]
You went up.
Dino Dogan [7:26]
I know my keyboards,
David Ralph [7:28]
you went up to a disabled Busker, and checked to see if he was pulling a fast one.
Dino Dogan [7:33]
I looked him up and down, man, it was amazing.
David Ralph [7:37]
Just the fact that he’s out there should be enough for you, sir. But you’re going there. And you’re trying to you’re trying to appear behind the curtain and it’s magic.
Dino Dogan [7:47]
Where’s the wizard?
David Ralph [7:48]
Where’s the wizard? Yes, that’s exactly what you were doing?
Dino Dogan [7:51]
That’s a great question to ask at all times. Whereas the wizard,
David Ralph [7:55]
yeah, I’m going to do but I’m going to walk down to my local school and asked where’s the wizard and I’m, I’ll be arrested. After 30 seconds. I certainly will. But your life, your life that is a fascinating storey because your life is kind of like somebody that sees the world with slightly different eyes. I’ve been stalking you for the last week, because I knew you were coming on the show. And a lot of people call it research, but I like to say it still. And there’s a kind of vibe about you, which is kind of edgy, a little bit weird, but certainly fun. And it’s almost like you ask questions, but people wouldn’t normally ask, would that be right?
Dino Dogan [8:34]
I try to I think this is something we have in common, David, because I’ve been stalking you back. And you have this contrarian, counterintuitive approach to things as well. And I think that’s super healthy. I don’t watch mainstream news. I don’t stay on top of like trending topics. And the stuff that’s like most popular stuff. I I don’t care about it, often to my own detriment. I’m way over into left field.
David Ralph [9:05]
I don’t watch the news either. And it came to bite me today. I don’t know when this is going to go out. And well, I don’t know what day is going to go out. But hopefully people are listening to it for about 10 years later. And people was talking to me about this plane that’s been shut down. And I think the Russians have shot this plane down.
Dino Dogan [9:21]
David Ralph [9:22]
And I had no idea about it
Dino Dogan [9:24]
became either I know this morning, I watched The Daily Show.
David Ralph [9:27]
Yeah, I stopped looking at the news, probably when my first child was born. And I now find that basically, if I do watch the news, it’s bad stuff. And if I don’t watch the news, it doesn’t affect me. And if it’s a really big storey you find out about it anyway. Yeah. Is that not that deep, profound statement? Now, we could stop this whole episode on and people will wind down?
Dino Dogan [9:54]
Absolutely. I see. I find no value in watching the news. And I don’t know. I don’t know how it is in England. You’re in England right now. Correct?
David Ralph [10:03]
Yes, I am.
Dino Dogan [10:05]
I don’t remember how it is in Europe, I think it’s pretty much the same as it is in the United States. But a lot of people take great pride in reading Sunday paper, you know, Wall Street Journal and stuff like that these traditional, authoritative newspapers that bring you these storeys from around the world. And people read them on Sundays to stay abreast of current events. And a lot of people take pride in that. I see no value in it.
David Ralph [10:36]
On none whatsoever. I take pride in actually being this is a good conversation. And it’s not getting me anywhere where I want to talk about but who cares. But I realised today because somebody told me about the new episode of The Simpsons is coming out. I have never watched one episode of The Simpsons in my entire interesting. I’ve never watched one Harry Potter. I’ve never watched one Lord of the Rings. Game of Thrones, absolutely no idea. I kind of keep away from anything that is kind of mainstream for some bizarre reason. And I’ve now built up a pride but I’m actually adding to these things, where it used to just be one or two things, I’d say, oh, I’ve never seen that before. But now I can sort of throw out all these things. And people, it’s like I’m living in a cave with Wi Fi. And I just poked my head out every now and again, and do one of these shows. And then I call back in. And I find it liberating, really, that there’s so much in this world. But I don’t know about because the things I do know about seem to be things that nobody else knows about is it’s it’s taking us back to that first question that you see the world in a slightly different way to other people. And it’s those kind of weird things and not the mainstream that I find interesting.
Dino Dogan [11:45]
Me too. I absolutely agree. That’s that stuff fascinates me.
David Ralph [11:49]
I was talking to a chap who went live on episode 85. And he is interested in small worlds. And he’s a journalist, he’s an author, and he goes around the world, looking at communities within communities. So the first one that he started doing was the the Jewish metal scene, which kind of blows your mind. But the interesting
Dino Dogan [12:13]
you kind of thing is that immediately, I want to know more about that.
David Ralph [12:17]
Yeah, well, you listen, Episode 85. And you’re you’re hearing and you kind of think to yourself, what can you talk about, but he’s built a whole career on researching and talking about these small worlds. And he likes the commonalities that these more sort of groups of people who are operating together and enjoying their company, but nobody else kind of knows what they’re doing or pays any interest. But he finds commonalities in that across the globe. And to me, that is fascinating.
Dino Dogan [12:46]
Absolutely. I mean, that’s a tribe. You just described the tribe. Yeah. And I’m all about tribes. Yeah. That’s fascinating. I need to find out more.
David Ralph [12:54]
Yeah, Keith can Harris His name is and I’ll send you the link. But yeah, that was that was a brilliant segue into the reason why I’ve got you on the show today, because you are a founder of Treiber, a community platform for bloggers. So tell us what that is. And then I want to delve back and see the steps. We’re going to join up the dots how you got to that point. So what actually is Treiber for people out there that haven’t heard about it? And they’re not that interested in blogging?
Dino Dogan [13:23]
Well, for people are not interested in blogging, I think. Let’s Let’s touch on that in a second. But first, I want to say that Treiber is very simply, a it’s a social network for bloggers. So it’s just a place where content creators, you know, bloggers, podcasters, YouTubers, they can go and they can group together based on whatever, you know, same niche, same location, same posting frequency, whatever, however you whatever commonality you find with somebody else, you can sort of come together, and you can help cross promote one another. So when you publish a new podcast, for example, it would come into my stream automatically, Treiber imports it from your blog, and then I can share it to my Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn, and so on, and you do the same thing for me. And now scale that out to like, 50 or 150 people, right? And now you have, you know, few hundred chairs. So, that’s the basic premise of Treiber. But why it’s important to people who are not content creators is this. The world is lopsided, right? There’s, there’s the, you know, point 1% of world’s wealth pools at the top, and then there’s like, big, empty space, and then there’s, you know, the rest of us, right. And the same kind of disparity exists online. You know, there’s about 100 Top Internet properties, and we all know them Hmm. You know, it’s your Google’s it’s your Facebook’s it’s your Yahoo’s it’s your Twitter’s, it’s your mash doubles, and BuzzFeed and, you know, that kind of stuff, right? And 99% of the attention that people when they’re online 99% of attention that they’re paying, they’re paying to this 1% of these sites that are super, super popular. So when you and I release some content, David, it’s, I mean, you know, we’re lucky if it finds any kind of audience, much less a large audience. So the premise behind Treiber is simple societies. In this case, internet is a society, my mind. societies, where there’s a wealth disparity are unstable, and oppressive. In real life, we can compare that to Saudi Arabia or something like that, where, you know, very small group controls large portion of the wealth, there’s a big empty space, and then there’s all the poor people, right? It’s always oppressive. And it’s always unstable, because it’s just a matter of time before, you know, the keg underneath the wealthy, explodes. So in societies that are that have a large, expansive middle class are prosperous societies, they’re enlightened societies. They are educated societies. And right now the internet is Saudi Arabia. Right now the internet is wealthy point 1%, command 99% of attention. And what we’re trying to do with Treiber is we’re trying to create a bigger, greater, more expansive, middle class of content creators, so that you can get your narrative out there, you can get your content out there, you can get your thoughts out there. And they can spread across the larger population rather than these top 1%, controlling the narrative, controlling the storey, and all that stuff. So that’s, that’s what we’re trying to accomplish with Treiber create a larger, more expansive middle class of content creators,
David Ralph [17:14]
because that seems absolute sense. But I’d never thought of it. I’d never thought of it until I started looking into your background. And I saw what Treiber was about. And my first thought was, oh, I wonder if I could use this for my show. And that was the first ball. Now is is it something that you people out there who have got a body of work should be on? Or is it somebody that when they’re just starting, they should? Or does it not matter at all?
Dino Dogan [17:42]
Oh, if we really built it so that it takes your blog from zero to 60 as quickly as possible. So it’s more certainly for people who are just starting to create content. So yeah, if you’re new to it, yes, drivers definitely for you. And, you know, it all depends on how you set up your presence online. Like if you’ve been around for a long time, and you’re getting thousands of shares and thousands of clicks, and everybody’s looking to you as if you’re some kind of God, then you don’t need Treiber because tribe is a peer based network. Right. So it’s a lateral structure rather than a hierarchical structure. So if you’ve been around for a very long time, and you know, you have plenty of notoriety and audience and traffic and all that stuff, then you don’t need Treiber.
David Ralph [18:33]
I think I need Treiber, I’m going to talk about and I’m going to use it. And I’m going to report back to the world’s population that are coming to my show on a daily basis how good it is, because it just seems like something that we should all we should all be using.
Dino Dogan [18:47]
Good. Let me know when you’re in there. I’m a member of a business podcasters group, and you would be a great fit for that.
David Ralph [18:53]
I would love to be in as well. So let’s jump back and let’s start joining up the dots because your life is one seems to be the classic stumbles and falls, there’s a passion running through you. But it took a while for you to actually find your feet. And once you found your feet, it almost seemed effortless in one play. I can see parts of you especially you’re presenting where you just see but you’re having fun. And when life starts to be fun. You really on your thing. So do you remember when he first started to come together for you?
Dino Dogan [19:31]
Yes. When I started when I finished school, when I was in my like mid 20s I started to learn stuff
David Ralph [19:41]
she knew been doing it at school.
Dino Dogan [19:43]
I know right? But schools they don’t teach you how to learn you just
David Ralph [19:48]
shouting show me the wizard. That’s that’s not even right.
Dino Dogan [19:51]
Not even, I learned to look for the wizard much later on. But the school system is completely screwed up in in the United States, as well as in Europe, as well as in other parts of the world. I grew I was born and raised in Bosnia. So I grew up in Europe. But same school system exists in in the United States. Rockefeller, but but hundred years ago, he went to Germany to see how they’ve done their school system. And their school school system was based on a Prussian school system from like 2000 years ago. And Prussian school system the point of it wasn’t to educate their people. The point of the Prussian school system was to create a BD and soldiers and docile citizenry. That was the point of the Prussian school system. And that’s the exact same school system that exists today. throughout the world, it’s like, this is where you need to sit, and you know, your place. And there’s a hierarchy within the classroom. And the teacher is the one that you need to listen to. And here’s ABC that you need to cover. And here’s the correct answers to the questions that we’re going to ask. And it’s a very kind of a road execution type of deal. You don’t learn how to learn, you just learn some stuff, right?
David Ralph [21:13]
Yes, I agree with you totally. You have, you know, I totally buy into this, and I’m gonna let you finish. But I’m also going to throw in but literally every single person I’ve spoken to who is successful, believes what you’re saying as well.
Dino Dogan [21:25]
Yeah, yeah. So in my mid 20s, I discovered books. And I started reading books. And I’ve, for many years, and even today, I’ve probably read about 50 books per year, or listen to or whatever, right? Because I love audiobooks, especially when I travel and whatnot. I start about hundred and 50 bucks, but I quit them because I don’t find them interesting for whatever reason. But, but I discovered reading and I this covered books in my mid 20s. And I discovered learning in my mid 20s. And that changed everything for me. So it was a kind of a slow build up from there. And there’s few books and we can talk about some of those, if you like, but there’s few books that have been sort of like milestones, through my life that have made a huge difference,
David Ralph [22:21]
he gives us a five day know, give us a couple of your favourite.
Dino Dogan [22:25]
So I’m not a huge advocate for Brian Tracy, the self help guru guy. But he has a set of audio books that he wrote with a fella from I want to say Cambridge, he’s a learning researcher, I forgot his name. But they partnered up on a book and it’s called accelerated learning techniques. And it’s a great book that will teach you how to learn. So if you have that as your base, that’s amazing. Here’s another one, um, memory, I always thought that memory was one of those things that you’re blessed with. And you either have it, or you don’t. And my memory was terrible when I was, you know, in my teen years in my early 20s, or whatever. But then I discovered this book, and it taught me that you can actually it’s a skill set, and you can improve your skill set. And my memory is amazing. Now, right, and the book, and again, I don’t necessarily recommend this author, on his own merits, but it’s a good book, to sort of guide you through the possibilities. And it’s called mega memory by Kevin Trudeau. It’s a great book that will actually, you know, teach you some stuff that you can implement right then and there to improve your memory. But more importantly, it’ll open up the window and let you see the, you know, possibilities. You know, so those are the two that come to mind. Robert Greene’s 48 Laws of Power was, it’s like, you know, when you your whole life, you have a kind of a vague sense of that there’s some stuff happening under the surface, when it comes to interpersonal relationships, especially the hierarchical interpersonal relationships, you know, between kings and servants, or whatever you call them, parents and children, teachers, and you know, kids in school, boss and employee, whatever you want to call it, right? Well, he covers those, he talks about those. And and it’s just an incredibly revealing book. And I’ll give you one example. And then I’ll shut up.
Don’t outshine your master.
If you’re an employee, and you’ve ever outside your boss, you know what I’m talking about? Your job as an employee is to make your boss look good. That’s it. That’s the job description for every employee ever, everywhere. And if you outshine your boss, if you outshine your master? Yeah, you’re not gonna have a good time. So that’s one of the 48 Laws of Power. And of course, Robert Greene, you know, covers a much wider spectrum and many laws, if you will. And it’s just an amazing book. And I could go on,
David Ralph [25:29]
I always set out to out shine my master, do you know that? I didn’t, I didn’t see there was any point being at work if I wasn’t out shining, my boss, basically, because I work out. Now I’m not there anymore. And I’m sitting in a small shed on my own at the back of the garden. Yeah, yeah, I’m wearing shorts. And I couldn’t do that. Well, I was. So things are better, better than it used to be? Did you have benchmarks of success? Because you’re obviously successful, there’s no doubt about it, you’re on this show. So that that’s a benchmark of huge success. But do you have sort of success where you might be sitting in Starbucks or something at 10 o’clock on a Tuesday morning, and you look at all these people whizzing around, and you’re just kind of in your own world? And you think, yes, this is this is really what it’s all about? Very simple success. benchmarks.
Dino Dogan [26:20]
When you know, so first, I reject the premise, I don’t feel successful, you know, like, I just don’t feel so good. And I think that’s actually a good thing. Because the second you start feeling successful, you’re going to stop working. And then you’re not no longer going to be successful.
David Ralph [26:40]
I just want to say that you’re successful by winning that.
Dino Dogan [26:42]
Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate that. Sure. In 2006, I set out to live in New Zealand, and have a job where I can work from home. Alright, and that was my five year plan. So I guess that would be then 2011. Five years later, I, I was I was 5050. Success wise, I’m not in New Zealand. But starting in about 2010 2011, I was able to go to Starbucks and work from Starbucks or work from home, or travel. And, you know, go to, you know, Lake Placid for two weeks and work from there, or go to Tucson, Arizona for a few months and work from there. And it’s you know, and I can do that. And so that piece of the equation, that piece of the five year plan worked out.
David Ralph [27:42]
But that that is perfect, isn’t it for so many people and I was actually years and years and years where I’d commute up to London, I’d get on an underground, with my armpit in people’s faces and people’s armpits in my face. And we squeezed in and you get out the other end, the full of now. But I woke up to the back of my garden, and I sit down and do this. And I’ve got like a 15 second commute is amazing. And I was only saying this today, it is beyond amazing to be able to create an environment that fits around your responsibilities above and you fitting around other people’s responsibilities.
Dino Dogan [28:17]
It’s you know, it’s the whole idea of who’s Empire? Are you building your own or somebody else’s? And I mean, to me, the answer is clear the year infinitely better. You know, it’s it’s way better to build your own Empire rather than somebody else’s, which is really what you’re saying there?
David Ralph [28:35]
Well, he’s but why do you think so many people and our listeners as well, because I get these emails, I’m in this job, and I really don’t like it, but I don’t know what to do. But I say to them, you know, you got to think about who you want to work for? Do you want to work for somebody else and just be content? Or getting a salary check each month? And then ultimately, they might go, we don’t want you anymore? Or would you rather do things behind the scenes while you’re doing that and trying to bring in other income to bank give you a choice. You know, I’m not a big advocate of punching your boss in the face and being clearing out and trying to make it up as you go along. I’m not that brave. I know some people do that. And it works very well. But I do think that the world as a whole should realise that the risky position is now being an employee and not being somebody that’s driving your own future.
Dino Dogan [29:24]
Oh, I of course, I absolutely agree with that. But the reason people are afraid to go off on their own is because of the training. Right? If you can’t see what’s possible, then you only see what you know. And what you know, is the training that you’ve received throughout your school years, which then turned into your employee years. And it’s you know, you don’t know any better until you start learning. So start learning people start reading books,
David Ralph [29:53]
I’m going to play you a little speech now, which I throw in the show all the time now, because I really like this speech. And I’m going to ask you a full on today’s because I think this is spot on. But then I’m the host of the show. So I can say statements like that.
Jim Carrey [30:06]
My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [30:33]
I love that. And I want the world to hear that and listen to it.
Dino Dogan [30:38]
What do you think a red? No, no, I mean, that’s Jim Carrey. I love it. Yeah, it’s you. He’s absolutely right.
David Ralph [30:45]
Well, my boy be so right. And I think he’s so right. And even people who are paid it to go, Yes, he’s so right. What you’re doing on Monday, I’m gonna work. And they still go off to these jobs about they don’t like I’ve got loads of friends that are doing work on a daily basis, but they hate and when I get them worked up, and I can get them worked up quite easily to be honest. And you know, what you dreaming about? Oh, wouldn’t it be great if you could do this and all that kind of stuff? They start telling me all these fantastic things that I want to do. And you know, but it’s always, yeah, two years time, I reckon I’ll be ready in two years time or five years time, there’s always some kind of time frame that they’ve LinkedIn. And I say no, that’s only limitation, you’re setting that time, you could do it in three months time, if you focused in on it, you could do two months time. You know, you’ve just got to know what you want, and go for it. And I’m not saying that so that you go off and you live in a cardboard box for the rest of your life. I totally believe that that’s the way forward and you can do that for you. And it would be a better life. And it’d be so exciting. Yeah, I know you’re wide awake for two years. What Why do you think they do that?
Dino Dogan [31:51]
It’s a fear, its complacency. Its safety. You know, it’s so much easier. You know, when I, my my job before I broke out on my own, I was making six figures working. And this is not an exaggeration. 15 that’s one five minutes per week,
David Ralph [32:13]
per week since I say that loudly so that way because my my jaw dropped. And I dropped my pen in
Dino Dogan [32:20]
60 days, six figures working 15 minutes per week. Why did you quit
David Ralph [32:26]
whining, right? Why didn’t you just do half hour and double your money?
Dino Dogan [32:32]
Well, it wasn’t exactly like that. Right? I was based. I was a network engineering. But I was basically a fireman. I wasn’t getting paid for what I did. I was getting paid for what I knew how to do. And I had to be on site to address issues as they come up. So. So you know what, it wasn’t exactly like I can double 15 minutes and make double the money. But But yeah, and that was a hard thing to leave. You know, for obvious reasons. It was safe. Yeah, it was, you know, I felt secure. I had good health insurance and all that stuff. But you know, for me, it came down to who’s Empire Am I building my own or somebody else’s. And when I left, I didn’t even know what my empire is supposed to be. I just knew that I didn’t want to work for somebody else. And while I had that job, I did start a business on the side. It was DVD kiosks before Netflix was a clear winner. But I had I dumped like 50 grand into that business of my own money. And it took two years to fail. And like, so I started while I was there. And I sort of experimented and learned a lot through my failures and what whatnot, so. So I didn’t even know once it was done. I didn’t even know what I wanted to do. I just knew that what I didn’t want to do.
David Ralph [33:55]
Well, that’s the key thing. I’ve been saying that for years. But people got what you want to do. And I don’t know, I just know the things I don’t want to do. Because I’ve tried them and I haven’t liked him. I just don’t know what it is. And it’s really difficult, isn’t it for people, and especially when you hear that phrase all the time, and it’s one of my Randy moments, because I hate this phrase, find your passion. Find your passion is great Obi Wan, and you kind of go, I don’t know my passion. So stop telling me it’s my passion. And when it hits you in the head, you kind of go Oh, yeah, you were right. I realised what they’re saying now. But it’s one of those phrases, if you ask trying to find something that you love and something that you want to do you want an answer, you want somebody to almost give it to you. And you can go Okay, I will start working on that now. Because one of the things Dino that I’ve discovered in this show, and it is taken me by surprise, actually how many people who are and you are successful. So I’m going to use that word, again, are successful doing stuff that if I look back to their younger self, they’re sort of like you really small kids are kind of almost similar to the things that they used to rush home and do for free when they were kids. So if you like building stuff, now, you probably playing with Lego bricks and stuff. And if you’re a networker, you were somebody that would have all your mates around and make clubs in the shed. And if he was, you know it, there’s same similarities because that is where your passion lies, your passion lies before you forget about it. Due to responsibilities and earning money and all those other things that come in adulthood.
Dino Dogan [35:22]
I think you’re absolutely right. And when when you say that, and people like well, I used to like Lego blocks when I was a kid, and I enjoyed that back then. But it would be silly for me to do that as an adult. That’s where the thinking process stops, right? It’s like, I liked it as a kid. But it would be silly for me to do it as an adult. If you say that, the thinking stops, and you get nothing out of it. But if you dig deeper, you find what it is that you liked about building Lego blocks. And you can actually apply it today. So I’ll give you an example. When I was a kid when I was in high school in my early 20s, even my mid to late 20s. I was in rock bands. I wanted to be a rock star. Right? That’s that’s what I wanted to be ever since the seventh grade. Right? But that didn’t quite work out.
Unknown Speaker [36:17]
Because Well, actually, we’re going to talk about that
Dino Dogan [36:21]
last part of the show, I’ll tell you why. So I’ll keep you and the listeners on the hook for that one. So today, instead of you know, being a rock star and playing guitar and bands and singing stuff like that, being onstage like that, I speak. You know, I get paid to travel across the country across the world, and get up on stage and speak. And I can do this without being embarrassed when I’m 50 I can do this without being embarrassed when I’m 60. Right, because let’s face it, like Mick Jagger and the Rolling Stones, and Steven Tyler, they’re, like, you know, once you hit like, 15 years, still rocking it. A little bit hustling, right? Especially if you’re not successful, like those guys are super successful. But if you’re not successful, like I wasn’t successful, and you’re 50 and you still like rocking it on stage, it’s
David Ralph [37:15]
because he’s pathetic.
Unknown Speaker [37:16]
I know. You got
David Ralph [37:18]
to keep going even though there’s two people yeah, good crisps in front of him and I and then playing it like it’s Madison Square Garden. I kind of like that.
Unknown Speaker [37:27]
Dino Dogan [37:28]
I I do too. But so what I liked about is I liked performing in front of an audience. I like the adulation, I like the attention. I like being on stage. So if I can’t, if I liked it, doing it, you know, you know, rock star context when I was a kid. While that context may not be congruent with who I am and what I am today, there’s underneath that surface, there’s something deeper, right? And if you look for that, something deeper, you’ll find something that you can do today. That gives you the same type of feeling. And for me, that’s speaking, is it
David Ralph [38:05]
all down to feeling then?
Dino Dogan [38:08]
Yeah, of course. Yeah, I mean, we’re emotional animals. The all logic is reverse logic. All of rationalisation is reverse rationalisation, we feel for and there’s ample neuroscientific evidence about this. We feel stuff first. And then we come up with rational reasons why we feel that way. That’s straight out of a book.
David Ralph [38:31]
Because, you know, at the beginning on the intro, I said, Oh, I feel like I’m on drugs. And I do. You know, I’ll be honest, I’ve never even taken drugs. I have no idea. But I just filled me Yeah, absolutely. I feel really high doing this, because I find it so exciting and so invigorating. And it’s a weird thing. Dina, we’ve never met until tonight. And I will tell you, you play piano, I play piano. When I was younger, I wanted to be a pop star, you wanted to be a rock star. I’ve spent my life doing professional training courses and presentations. And I know exactly that vibe of standing up in front of people. And just being absolutely unique to yourself, and almost playing in front of an audience and how it makes you feel. So you you certainly have got a kindred spirit from this side bar.
Dino Dogan [39:20]
I taught network engineering seminary student
David Ralph [39:23]
so there you go, you’ve killed it, killed it. And another thing that I’ve never done I’ve never put a song on YouTube but I found one today called aeroplane made for two and I’m gonna buy it now. I’m gonna play it now because this is the guest This is Mr. Dino Dogan as he’s Rockstar self how to listen to this. I won’t play all of it. I end up you might want to turn the volume. Or if you’re in traffic wind the windows so nobody can hear this. But this is aeroplane mode for to
Unknown Speaker [39:53]
Unknown Speaker [39:55]
minor but this is not a sad song.
David Ralph [40:24]
How good is that? That’s that’s a bit Green Day in there.
Dino Dogan [40:27]
I guess I couldn’t hear it. Oh, could you not hear anything? No, he didn’t come through for me. But I hope it’s you know, recorded so listeners can hear it.
David Ralph [40:36]
I know how the song goes. was amazing. It was aeroplane made for two. It’s a bit of a bitter song. I thought.
Dino Dogan [40:44]
Yeah, yeah. You know, I’ll give it up to the listener to decide what it is.
David Ralph [40:48]
But I think I think we could try to get it as to Christmas. Number one. I reckon we, we could push it onto Treiber and get sort of viral going aeroplane. aeroplane mode for trying, but I’ll be brilliant. But you have you know, you can hear that you had a passion when you were doing that you thought yourself? I’m writing a song. And when you were recording it, it wasn’t you just doing a little voice that was you going full pelt? And is that how you live life? Now when you’re presenting? Are you going for pelt? Or do you how I certainly hope so you don’t hold anything of yourself back?
Dino Dogan [41:23]
You know, I’ve learned to hold back a little bit in certain contexts, and we can talk about that. But when it comes to presenting on stage and stuff like that, I mean, especially if it’s like couple of few hundred people, thousand people in the audience. I hate seeing a speaker on stage who’s not captivating, right. And when you’re playing in front of a big audience, listen to me playing as if it’s a it’s a rock show, right? speaking in front of a big audience, you know, you have to project certain kind of, you know, both volume and i and i mean that not only voice wise, but also body language wise and positioning and engaging and stuff like that.
David Ralph [42:08]
So yeah, I mean, I certainly tried to, and was that something that you just naturally had? Did you step up on stage and bang, it was there because I kind of did. But then I took it to a sort of more extensive version of myself, I kind of became this, this bigger character when I was up on stage when I was when I began, but it was still pretty much myself. Was that the same with you? Or did you go through a transition, and then one day, you suddenly thought, hang on, I think I’m really getting it, this feels natural.
Dino Dogan [42:38]
Now there’s a video of me when I was 17 on YouTube, luckily, it’s not associated with my can’t quite find it. But here’s a video of me at 17 performing on stage and this is like, you know, a belting it out and be jumping around as if, like a maniac. So now it was always always there, we will put the link to that on the show notes so that you can sit
David Ralph [43:01]
now I haven’t found it, but I’m gonna try my hardest to find it. I’m gonna spend my time on YouTube for hours and hours.
Dino Dogan [43:09]
And Bosnian to and you can hear the girls screaming in the audience. So that’s the best part about it.
David Ralph [43:14]
This all the Eastern Europeans or countries, but they have a weird kind of singing don’t know, because I went to Turkey on holiday a couple years ago. And I’m a big karaoke fan. If there’s a karaoke, you know, I’ll be the first one out there. I don’t care at all. And normally, when you go to solve karaoke, you get one of these books, but you can hardly lift, can’t you and they’re like, huge amount of songs, huge amount of artists. And the one that we went to there was about three sheets of a four. And so every song that you did when you went up there, you’d never done before, because after a while, you get a kind of group of karaoke songs that you know, you can just about do. And so you flick through and you find these. And so we were going right, okay, yeah, we go with this one, and you’d get up and you didn’t know you’re going to do it. But when the Russians was to do,
Unknown Speaker [44:01]
David Ralph [44:03]
and it would go on for like 15 minutes, their songs, but I loved it. I was going for it big time. Is that is that the same? Are you big on Bosnian karaoke?
Dino Dogan [44:14]
I know, I mean, I haven’t been there in like, 20 years. So I’m a little out of the loop. This stuff we were doing, it was very much Americanized, you know, you know, British and American rock type of deal. So it’s much more familiar to your ears, for example.
David Ralph [44:31]
So So what is it that you love about America compared to Bosnia or bosnia compared to America on a sort of similarities between the two?
Unknown Speaker [44:41]
Dino Dogan [44:41]
I don’t know. You know, love is a strong word. I have sort of radical feelings about countries and nationalities in general. Last week, I had an idea to start a virtual country, like, a country that only exists online, it’s non corporeal issues, US citizenship and passport, and its member of the United Nations. And if you’re in like, a bad way, somewhere in a war zone, or whatever, right, you can use its passport to go someplace else, and, and whatnot. So you know, the whole borders and lines between countries. I don’t accept them as valid, even though we have to, you know, submit to someone making that shit up way back when. So I don’t know, love is a strong word.
David Ralph [45:34]
Because I don’t understand. We’ve travelled and travelled lots of places, and I don’t understand why I have to go through the border. I don’t understand why I can’t just walk over a mountain somewhere and coming on the other side.
Dino Dogan [45:47]
Well, you know, what’s funny about that, like, 500 years ago, the seas before, you know, both travel was commonplace, right. And I think this started in Britain. In fact, the, the country that owned the coast, owned about two miles out to the sea. And beyond that, it was no man’s land. And the reason it was two miles because the cannons could only go that far. Right? So if somebody was to attack or whatever, right? And then the air rights didn’t exist until about, you know, 50 or hundred years ago or whatever, right? So you would essentially, if you’re America, or Britain, or whatever, you would own maybe, like 500 feet up in the air or something like that. Until air travel became commonplace, and now we have this concept of airspace. Right? So it’s like, we’re making this stuff up as we go along. And it all started with drawing the line in the sand, you know, thousands of years ago. And it’s, it’s the line in the sand is just as made up as the air rights just as the sea rights and so on. So, you know, unfortunately, we live in the real world where we have to, like, submit to these rules for now. But you know, I, somebody should do something
David Ralph [47:09]
about that. Just walk across a mountain. That’s all we got to do just dojo, here you go. If you go like 100 yards to the left of the border, and zip behind the bus stop and ran that you could get through or imagine. Well, people do it all the time. Absolutely. That’s what I like to do. I like to kind of I think, Dean Dino deep down, I kind of like to break rules really. I like I’m always the kind of person that will walk up to wet paint and touch it just to see if it’s wet. And Mike Mike, my kids always say to me, daddy says it’s wet paint go, what they’re going to do arrest me for touching wet pain. And oh, it’s where I’ve got paint on my hands now. But I’ve got to do that. And I Are you a bit like that? Do you see things and kind of thing? Why am I being told I can’t do that?
Dino Dogan [47:52]
Yeah, absolutely. Are you somebody made up those rules? Right? And they’re not bigger, smarter, or more, you know, more enlightened than you. And even if they were It doesn’t mean you shouldn’t question those rules and whatnot. So yeah, absolutely.
David Ralph [48:07]
I’m just before we get back to your sort of your transition through because I am aware that this is called Join Up Dots. I was talking to a chap the other day, and he said that he’s a life coach. And I said to him, Do you know, did you get any qualifications for that? He said, No, I just said I was a life coach. And I went, like, why it was bad. He said, because why the hell should I qualify, just because somebody tells me I have to qualify, if you want me to teach you how to make a million dollars, I’ve done that numerous times I can teach you. If you want me to do X Y Zed, I know it from experience. So I’m never going to get a qualification just because somebody told me I had to. And for the people that are out there wanting to do these things, thinking that you’ve got to go out there and spend two or three years training to do this. Just say that you’ve done it, just do it, just do it. And you will gain more from that experience. Is that a kind of naive sort of rule breaking view? Or do you think that’s got relevance?
Dino Dogan [49:02]
That’s absolutely relevant. I mean, the other profession, that’s the same same way, and there’s a lot of professionals like this is comedians, right. You’re a stand up comic, the moment you decided to be a stand up comic, there’s no governing body that deems you worthy of being a stand up comic, right. And then, you know, a few years later, and bunch of performances later, you become Ricky Jarvis or someone like that, right? network engineering, when, when I got my first job, and this was true for pretty much every single job in that field that I ever got. It was, it was mid, not like mid 90s 9596. And if you remember, back then windows 95 first came out. And basically you were a computer guy, if you knew how to use a mouse, and you knew what computer was, you were the computer guy, right? And no one gave me a permission to be a network engineer. I just said I was and I got lucky enough to get a land a job in that field. And I did that for a bunch of years. And, you know, through that process, you know, it’s a certification driven field. It field is a certification driven field. You know, through the years, I got a whole mess of certifications. But it started from me deciding I’m going to work with computers.
David Ralph [50:31]
Because I started by thinking I’m going to be a podcaster. And I no one’s told me anything. I’ve just kind of stuck a microphone on and started recording. And now I have people coming to me, because they believe I’m a podcaster they’re stupid people for thinking that but but all I’m doing is just doing something by incremental gains, and hopefully getting better at it and producing better content and more inspirational content, blah, blah, blah. But I never said I was a podcaster I just started creating podcasts.
Unknown Speaker [51:04]
Let’s just do it. Just do it. Screw
David Ralph [51:07]
it, just do it. Branson says, like, Yeah, I think so just do it. Right. So what is your if you look back on your life, and in Join Up Dots, there’s always a big dot, there’s a big thought that you will go Yes. That was the time that I became Dino Dogan. What is that one? When you look back, and quite often it’s a dark time when you kind of screwed up or something. And you realise that you had to learn from that success, but he’s shown you the path. Do you know where you’re big doses? Hmm,
Dino Dogan [51:37]
that’s interesting. Well, like the most recent one, I think it was the huge failure of my first business that I tried to do on my own. I learned a lot of valuable lessons through that process. And you know, wasn’t like a terrible financial failure, even though I lost a lot of money. It like in the grand scheme of things in affect me, but in terms of, you know, I mean, it’s, it’s kind of a hard thing to put two years into a business and bunch of money and then fail miserably. So there’s probably two things that I’ve learned. One is, I’ve learned to recognise the enthusiasm, right? Because anytime you start anything new, you figure enthusiasm will carry you through. Right. And that’s dangerous, because then you don’t devise a plan or you don’t work hard enough, you just figure enthusiasm will take care of them. So that’s dangerous thinking. And I think I’ve learned to recognise when the that enthusiasm happens to me. So I can say, okay, you know, I’m really into this, this is really cool. The enthusiasm is taking over the momentum of that emotion is taking over. But now I need to rationally think about how to, you know, go from point A to B to C, and so on. So I think that’s one piece. And the other piece is there. There’s a wide range of skills required to run a business. And some of those skills, I just don’t have, like I tried, I tried learning accounting and bookkeeping and stuff like that. I try to run these more cerebral parts of the business. And I not only do I hate it, but I suck at it. You know, and for Treiber, Dan Christo and I started Treiber in 2011. And, you know, he’s my partner in crime in Treiber. And he makes up a lot of the shortcomings that I have. So, you know, I recognise that I needed somebody who can, you know, pick up Slack, essentially. And, you know, vice versa. So, so those were the two, I guess, biggest lessons from that particular failure.
David Ralph [53:50]
But what it wasn’t it wasn’t a moment when you kind of went Yes, I can now see what I want to do. All the blogs I’ve done that haven’t quite worked overlaps, songs I’ve written the Gala’s aren’t with me anymore. Over dog training, all those kind of things. Were just my dots leading up to this was a moment like that.
Dino Dogan [54:11]
Yeah, I think that came together for me with Treiber, you know, cuz I really understood understood the pain points of content creators, because I was I am a content creator. And, you know, I had a vertical that was semi successful for a while to we’ll tipsy was a motorcycle, Facebook, whatever, made a dog blog. And that was again, you know, somewhat successful. I built a nice community, and I got some business out of it. And they were led to my other blogs and whatnot. So I understood the space and I understood the pain points. And I understood the this stuff that we covered early in the show, you know, this fact that 1% of super sites get 99% centre of attention, and in turn, they dictate the narrative, they dictate the cultural Zeitgeist, if you will, right. And we are powerless to to affect that narrative. We are powerless to dictate that cultural Zeitgeist. And I saw a need for that. And, you know, he sort of it all came together with Treiber. For me, yeah.
David Ralph [55:26]
So so let me play because I’m going to send you back in time very shortly. And I normally do this a lot earlier in the show, but I want to play the words of Steve Jobs, because that’s the theme of this show. And I’m going to play these and I’m just gonna ask whether you think Yes, he’s nailed it. And it is true to your life always is the biggest load of Tosh that you’ve ever heard. This
Dino Dogan [55:43]
is the I already know the words you’re going to play. And I can already tell you, I absolutely agree. But God,
David Ralph [55:48]
I am anyway. So here we go, my fingers on the mouse, I could become a networking giant. You see, I’m like, I’m like a legend on the mound.
Steve Jobs [55:57]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots look forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [56:32]
So you already go Yes, that’s absolutely spot on.
Dino Dogan [56:36]
Absolutely. And you know, I’ve read that Walter Isaacson’s biography of Steve Jobs, which is a great book, I highly recommend it. And you know, to put some meat around the bones that you just played, sort of put concrete examples around what Steve Jobs just said, when he was in college, he took a type biography course. And he was also he spent some time in India learning Buddhism and Zen and stuff like that. So these two things, this, you know, type pornography, this love of creating a perfect font, and this serene, like design of, for example, Buddhist temples and stuff like that. That stuff came together in a Mac Book design, that stuff came together, but you like going into it? There’s no way he could have known that. But those two things, affected. You know, everything he’s done design wise and business wise, down the road. So yeah, you know, that’s just a concrete examples of specifically Steve Jobs of what he was talking about.
David Ralph [57:49]
And would you say that you’ve always agreed with that? Or was it just now that you’re successful? use that word again. But you can actually go Yes, yes, that’s spot on.
Dino Dogan [57:59]
It. I heard that when I was 20. I’d probably like gloss over it. And I’d be like, Oh, that’s dumb. That doesn’t mean anything to me. I wouldn’t understand what he was saying.
David Ralph [58:10]
I think that probably nationalist though, isn’t it, but you do become more accepting as you get older?
Dino Dogan [58:17]
I hopefully wiser that never happens. And you
David Ralph [58:22]
do not become wiser. Do you know, Yoda became wiser, adopter, who just stumbling along making the same mistakes? You know, if we were so wise, we wouldn’t have watched Indiana, Indiana Jones for would we, we would have learned to leave it behind. That’s probably one of the best points I’ve ever made. I’m, I’m gonna put you back on the mic. Now. This is the part of the show when I can send you back in time. And why you’re going back in time, I’m going to leave in my glory of that comment, man. And if you could walk into the room, and you could see a young Dino sitting there, what advice would you give to him? And what kind of advice do you think that he would listen to? So this is the Sermon on the mic?
Here we go. With the best of the show the Sermon on the Mount?
Dino Dogan [59:25]
What would I say to my to myself bunch of years ago?
This is, this is hard. I know exactly what I would say. But it’s hard because I don’t think I would listen to it, then because I don’t listen to it now. And here’s what it is, go where the action is. And by that I mean, so you know, in my 20s, I was trying really hard to be a rock star to you know, have a successful band and stuff like that. But I was in Jersey, right? And there are very few bands, especially in the 90s that are successful that came from Jersey. But if you compare that to Seattle, for example, right, around the same time frame, there, you know, there’s a tonne of bands that came out of that scene. And, you know, if I wanted to, you know, be a rock star or whatever, right? I needed to move my ass to Seattle. But I didn’t know that then. And if I told that to my younger self, I probably would disregard that advice anyways. And the same thing happens in the 2000s. I remember, I remember being in a classroom, it was early 2000s, probably 2001 2002. And I was really pissed at Google search for giving me all these blogs in my search results. I you know, this is before Google had specific blog search and whatnot. I was like, What What is this nonsense, why are people why why why people writing this stuff? Why are people producing this concept of content? This is silly, this is not what I want. And, you know, if I saw it for what it is, which is a rising tide, I would have you know, I would have started my blog way earlier, I would have created content way earlier, I would have started, you know, a site like Mashable. Like, you know, BuzzFeed like whatever TMC decibel, right? All these sites started in the mid 2000s. Right, which is when population online exploded, so rising tide lifts all boats, if your boat was in the, you know, in the, you know, ocean, at that moment, during that time, you know, you would have, you know, you would have made some kind of dent in the universe to go back to Steve Jobs quote. And even today, you know, where’s the action, the action is on the west coast, Silicon Valley, la San Diego, that’s where the insane startup money is, when you know, we’re we’re looking to raise money. But I’m in Jersey, so I’m trying to raise money in Jersey, so I keep repeating the same mistake over and over again. So I don’t know if I listened to myself, but that’s the advice I would give myself.
David Ralph [1:02:26]
So pretty much you’re saying surround yourself with success?
Dino Dogan [1:02:30]
Yeah, that’s certainly part of it. But I feel that success is one of those things that has a lot of luck and timing involved with it. You know, and timing has to do with locations. I’ve talked about this. In my talks in the past. If you look at guitar gods, right. There are a few names that stand out. Pete Townsend, Jimmy Page, go ahead. Naomi Clapton, Eric Clapton, Hendrix, right. Jimi Hendrix, Jeff Beck. Oh, no, that was a banjo. Remove Jimi Hendrix from that bunch. And they were all born are in the same area in the, you know, suburbs of London and whatnot, about 12 miles apart. About two years apart, they realised that they were saying did not Kermit the floor. And they all launch their careers in the early 60s. I want to say I’m in London, same place, including Jimi Hendrix, right? So there’s a time in place that plays a huge factor in anyone’s success. We can also go back to like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, they started their companies about a year apart on the west coast and
David Ralph [1:03:53]
born in 1955.
Dino Dogan [1:03:56]
They will Yeah, they were born a year to a partner. same year, I forget exactly. But timing and place has a lot to do with it. So recognising the timing and recognising the place where you need to be at that time is just hugely, hugely important. And you know, recognising the place that I’m in and what needs to happen for me and for my company. I’m not in the right
David Ralph [1:04:25]
place. I might it might be the right time, but it’s not the right place. It’s funny I feel the same way really I feel like I’m one person totally on his own and everything else is happening on the west coast of America is a bizarre feeling but I’m back it’s a totally different show. Dino has been absolutely amazing having you on the show today and I know all the listeners out there will think you’re amazing as well. So how can they connect with you?
Dino Dogan [1:04:49]
Dino Dogan calm. Keep it simple. It sounds like a mafia site
David Ralph [1:04:53]
then it really
Dino Dogan [1:04:57]
I actually I found this out with I was like 2425 Dogan is Turkish for Falcon.
David Ralph [1:05:05]
Oh, okay. Okay, and what?
Dino Dogan [1:05:06]
I had no idea no.
David Ralph [1:05:10]
No, no, not dinosaur dinosaur. Something like that. No, no. Nope. that would that would that would be amazing. That also a falcon May. Well, thank you so much for spending time with us today joining those dots of your life and then please do come back again when you have more dots to join up because I believe that by joining the dots and connecting our past is the very best way to build our futures. Dino Dogan. Thank you so much. Thank you, David.
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