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Introducing Kris Harty
She is a lady who maybe small in size, but towers over so many people across the globe with her positivity, gungho spirit and ability to overcome huge obstacles with a smile on her face.
She calls herself the short chick with a walking stick, and for four decades, since age 7, Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis and a Walking Stick have been her constant companions.
And although she took medications that helped ease the pain and allowed her to walk, those very same medications that she took to help her actually stopped her from growing.
So at the size of 4 foot 6, Kris Harty now finds herself battling the limiting thoughts that are not only hard enough when they are your own thoughts, but when they come from everyone else too, are doubly difficult.
How The Dots Joined For Kris
She has survived 8 complicated, nearly life-ending, record-breaking surgeries to keep her walking, and has survived the loss of both parents and other loved ones, as well as her own thoughts of suicide in childhood.
Now if that seems like this episode is going to be a grim one then think again, as with her own business, and inspirational content that helps people across the globe bringing her more and more success, it is going to be anything but.
But what is it that really light her up inside?
And how did she find the strength to keep on going, after numerous painful operations, when so many people would have resorted to playing the victim game?
And where does she see her life in the future, with so many things going on in her life?
Well let’s bring onto the show to start joining up dots, as we discuss the words of Steve Jobs in todays Free podcast, with the one and only Kris Harty
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Kris Harty such as:
How nobodies opinion matters in life, only yours, so stop listening to others and just do what you want
How her Mother told her all the things in life that she couldn’t do to protect her, which ultimately made Kris believe that she was right and limited her beliefs!
Why its so important to say the words “I can do that!” as just saying those four words means that we are half the way there already!
Why unfortunately it is much easier in life to make movements to something better when we hit rock-bottom
How if you find the thing that you love and provides huge value to others, then the money you seek will come easily!
How To Connect With Kris Harty
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Audio Transcription Of Kris Harty Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes, hello, bear world is David Ralph is Join Up Dots. And you are listening to Episode 185. And we’ve got an amazing guest on today because I’ve been having a chat with her and I can just feel the personality, the motivation for adding out across the globe, and she’s going to deliver a powerhouse I just know she is. And she is a lady who may be small in size but towers over so many people across the globe, with a positivity gung ho spirit, and ability to overcome huge obstacles with a smile on her face. She calls herself the short chick with a walking stick. And before decades since age seven, juvenile rheumatoid arthritis and a walking stick have been her constant companions. And although she took medications that help ease the pain and allowed her to walk, those very same medications that she took, actually stopped her from growing like the size of four foot six, she now finds herself battling the limiting thoughts and not only hard enough when they’re your own fault, but when they come from everyone else to a doubly difficult. Now, she survived a complicated nearly life ending record breaking surgeries to keep her walking. And it survived the loss of both parents and our loved ones as well as our own thoughts of suicide in childhood. So it’s been a difficult time. Now if that seems like this episode is going to be a grim one then think again, as we have her own business and inspirational content that helps people across the globe bringing her more and more success is going to be anything but but what is it that really lights up inside? And how did she find the strength to keep on going after numerous painful operations when so many people would have resorted to playing the victim game? And where does she see her life in the future with so many things going on? Well, let’s find out as we bring on to the show to start Join Up Dots. The one and only Kris Harty. How are you Kris?
Kris Harty [2:13]
I am great. David, how are you? How are you?
David Ralph [2:16]
I am I’m fidgeting Actually, I don’t know what’s going on at the moment with my chair. But I’m absolutely not comfortable. Chris, I’m
Kris Harty [2:24]
but that’s not good. You need to be comfortable. David.
David Ralph [2:27]
I know I’m a professional. And normally I sit here ready to go. But I am shifting around like a you know one of those dogs that scratch itself against trees and stuff. I’m yeah, I’m a bit like that at the moment. So I don’t know what’s coming over me.
Kris Harty [2:41]
I don’t know either. That’s a really good question. Huh?
David Ralph [2:45]
Not kind of question. To answer. Is it really?
Kris Harty [2:48]
I don’t think so. No, no.
David Ralph [2:51]
We’ll just leave it but because you were so positive you gave it a go, didn’t you? And that sort of says a lot about you. You you look at things that maybe other people wouldn’t went away from and you give a go like my might he might he shuffling around?
Kris Harty [3:06]
You know that’s true. That’s true. I didn’t always see that about myself in life. But the older I get, the more I do recognise that? Yeah, absolutely.
David Ralph [3:14]
So let’s let’s sort of start to sort of framing your life at the moment because you are obviously American, you are obviously a lady. And as I said in the introduction, you obviously quite a small lady. So where it balances life for you in the on the map of America.
Kris Harty [3:31]
I live in gorgeous Colorado Springs, Colorado. So I’m, I’m in one of the larger western states in the US. Oh, let’s see, how can I describe it? I’m somewhere somewhere a little bit closer to Mexico and Canada. And to the east of California and Las Vegas.
Definitely west of the Mississippi.
David Ralph [4:02]
So So what would we do if I came out to go out with you for the day? And we went on a date somewhere? What would be good in Colorado Springs? What would be the thing that would make it memorable for me?
Kris Harty [4:14]
Oh, wow, that’s a good question. What would make it memorable for you? Hmm. Well,
you know, there’s there’s so much to see and do here. It’s gorgeous country where we’re at the foothills of the amazing Rocky Mountains, which just jet out to from the side of town here. And the whole town is kind of built on the, in the foothills of the Rockies. So it’s spectacular scenery, wherever you look. Gorgeous sunshine, 300 days a year. I love that. You know, I’m I’m pretty, pretty simple. So for me, a great conversation with a lot of laughs and some good discussion, in any beautiful setting is, is a winner for me.
David Ralph [5:06]
So I imagine that you’re not sort of in the middle of the Rockies, you’re in some bedroom somewhere with the curtains drawn is not a good image for you.
Kris Harty [5:18]
Know, not so much. Not so much.
But yeah, you know, I’m at the moment in my office, which is not so exciting. But I can see Pikes Peak from my from my window is and it’s a pretty gorgeous view.
David Ralph [5:35]
Well, you enjoy it when you can after the interview, because I know it’s so middle of the day out there. But let’s take you back in time, because that’s what I do on Join Up Dots. Because yours yours is a kind of fascinating storey that basically you were put into a situation that you had no control over. And you’ve had to deal with it constantly, constantly, constantly. And I’ve been watching videos of you on YouTube. So afternoon, so preparing for this. And it seems to me that for many situations that you’ve been in, you would have been all right, dealing with him a lot better if there was no one else around. If you was on planet earth, and there was no other humans there, you would have just got on with it and being quite content. But it’s the people isn’t it is the other people that have made it quite obvious. But you are a small lady.
Kris Harty [6:24]
Yes, yes, you hit it on the head, David, very much. So if I could just live life on my own terms and just be accepted and for who I am and what I am, life would be so much easier and nicer and less complicated. But then you throw in the mass of humanity. And yes, I am one of them at times. But you know, there’s so many perceptions that we make about other people. And unfortunately, or fortunately, I have learned a lot about about them all my lifelong from a very early age. And I say fortunately, or unfortunately, because for the first number of decades, I really had an attitude in return to the one I was being given. And it didn’t always deal very constructively with, with other people’s opinions about me. But what it did, in growing through all of that it really helped me learn whose opinions matter and who’s don’t. And largely mine does, and no one else does as much. So it shaped me into someone who at this point in time I, I really like and I have not always been able to say that it’s a really great thing to be able to say. So you know, sometimes the things in life that are the most difficult and challenging and painful that we have we have to go through is not always an option. Those are the things that really turn us into who we are to become. And we can either we have a choice, we can either become bitter and angry and turn it into negativity, or we can learn from it become wiser, more compassionate people towards others and ourselves and go about life a bit more constructively.
David Ralph [8:26]
I think it’s true. It’s not true. It’s really true that no one else’s opinion matters other than your own. And that’s one of the things that I’m finding out more than more doing this show how so many people out there that are contacting me by email, and I’ll put my hands up, I was like this myself, they kind of they live their life on what they think other people would want from them or what they think other people would expect them to do. And so many of them will go. Yeah, I always wanted to be this but because my mom and dad wanted me to be that I went into that. Or I thought that was a better job because he paid more money. But actually my passions were and it’s lunacy, isn’t it? We should have our own opinions and live by our own opinions. We should have our own life, and we should get what we want from life because we’re only on this planet once Chris.
Kris Harty [9:14]
Yeah, and for a pretty short amount of time. Really? Yeah, absolutely. It is lunacy, David, you hit it, you hit that on the head to it is lunacy to live our lives for other people. Because we’re the we’re the only humans that are going to be with us our whole life, lives long. Other people will tend to come and go now family is a little different matter. But I tell you, even with family, once you, you kind of break from that mindset of Oh, their family and their opinions matter all that much. Once you begin to even see them a bit more objectively, and go on and do your own thing in this world. It’s just really freeing. It’s really freeing, and it’s one of the best things I’ve learned how to do.
David Ralph [10:02]
It’s it’s funny with family, though, isn’t it, because deep down their opinions are being given because they love us. And they care, right. And I don’t want to see his ball on our face. But unfortunately, that’s what we need to do. And when you are a parent, you get your kid and he suddenly starts walking or she suddenly starts walking, and you don’t press your hands down on their shoulders to stop them getting up, you allow them to get up. And you know, they’re going to drop over all over again and get back up and fall over. But when it comes to sort of adult life, we do the same kind of thing. We try to protect them, were really we should let them fall over and find out and go out and do stuff. It’s a it’s a problem. It’s a problem in life, where I think people are overly protective of people for the wrong reasons.
Kris Harty [10:51]
Yeah, I would very much agree with that. For the Yeah, for the wrong reasons or the right reasons. Maybe even the right reasons why not when it is when that overprotectiveness is from love, but it needs to be tempered. And we don’t always learn how to temper that I have seen it time and again and in parents and other family members. For other people and for myself. For my, in my own life, I really experienced a lot from my own mom who loved me probably more than anyone. And she was very overprotective, because she, she knew that my life was painful, just just by the act of existing physically, it was very painful. And with that comes a lot of emotional pain and mental pain and spiritual pain, and everything else. So she really just wanted me to not hurt, you know, and she wanted to prevent that. But in doing so, she she told me what all I couldn’t do in this world. She had told me that I’d never be able to, to how to drive a car, or to attend to college or live on my own or have my own home or work full time and support myself. There was a whole host of things that I was fed growing up, that I was told that I’d never be able to do. And it really limited my mindset. And I see, you know, decades later, I finally came to kind of a low where I could see her more objectively, she was a mom who was doing the very best that she could and that she she thought she was helping me helping me avoid any disappointments in life. But what she did for me was instilled in me an even stronger spirit that I had already been blessed with. And it just every time that I’d hear what I couldn’t do, it made me want to want to prove her wrong. And I know if anyone else listening might might have that in them. But I certainly do you tell me what I can’t do, I’m gonna show you otherwise. When
David Ralph [13:09]
I tell you what Chris, I’ve got that I had, ever since I was a small child, if somebody tells me I can’t do something master being I focus in on. And I don’t even if I will achieve it, I don’t even sort of go up to him and go, you know, that thing you told me I couldn’t do, I just kind of know that I’ve done it. And I think that is a common trait. And I think there are so many people out there who have got fat. And they they go for it. And they are successful in life. And that’s really what this shows about is trying to bring back, I suppose bloody mindedness out of the people who are almost there, almost ready to go and know what they want to do. But for some reason, they’re either fearful that they’re not going to be able to pay the bills, or they’re fearful that they’re going to leave their job and they’re not going to get a number one, or they’re fearful of just being a being scared and fearful of being afraid, really. And so I think that is a powerful state of mind that you’ve got. And I do think that the world has generally got that in them, but for some reason we suppress it.
Kris Harty [14:14]
Yeah, absolutely. We do. And I think it does come from a place of fear, like you said, David, you know, fear is how is such a limiting, limiting crippling sort of thing that is in our lives. And in order to overcome it, I think we really have to just kind of step back and be objective about ourselves too, and just say, okay, you know, what, what is the real reason why I’m not going forward with this or with that, and just kind of push it aside. You know, just because someone barrels through something to it toward an end goal, it doesn’t mean that they don’t have fears about doing so or that they weren’t, it doesn’t even mean that they weren’t terribly fight to make that first step out towards their goal. It just means that they push through the fear any way, they just said, okay, fear, I recognise you, I see you, and I’m going to blow right past you, and you can’t stop me. And you know, when we do that, it just opens up the whole world to us. And it doesn’t mean that there’s not going to be other fears, still along the path, they seem to happen regularly. But as you as you encounter them, and just say, No, I’m not gonna have anything to do with you fear, you can’t, you can’t hurt me, you can’t hold me back. The more we do that, the easier it becomes. And the more easily we recognise it in advance, and we’re ready for it. So, you know, it’s all it can be all for the good, but we have to approach it in that way.
David Ralph [15:50]
I’ve said this many times on many shows, but I am scared every day, every day doing a show for some reason. And even when I feel really comfortable, and every things going well, there’s a fear. And if I think about it, I get that churning in my stomach. And I think I can’t put up with this for the rest of my life. But I do realise that that fear is a great way of pushing me on. It’s, I call it my body’s compass now. And when I see the scary thing, I actually have to go, why am I scared of that? And most of the time, it’s because it’s new, or I know it’s going to take me out of my comfort zone. But that’s the only way you develop, isn’t it? That’s the only way that you become bigger by going into areas you’ve never done before. And most of the time, and the listeners will agree with this. I’m sure. Once you do it, he’s actually not that scary. It’s more than the actual application of it.
Kris Harty [16:42]
Yeah, that’s so true. It is it’s the thought of it is the fear itself is usually not that big of a deal. I mean, that the actual thing of it, you know, but it is just our perception is in advance of really encountering it. That’s, that’s the bigger issue. Yeah. About four years ago, five years ago, almost no, I was I was with a company that I’ve been with for 20 years at that time, and we closed our doors at the office that I was at. Now, that was that was kind of terrifying, in one sense, was really good in other senses, which I’ll get to, but the part of me that had been raised with the idea that you have to have a steady paycheck in order to be secure in this world. And it’s all about security, and you need to line up this and you need to line up that and you have to know, you know, what, what income is coming in at any given moment. And then you plan from there? Well, you know, certainly here in the US and these last this last decade or or whatever it’s been eight years or so ever recession when almost everyone I think I saw statistic that like three fourths of the population here has been let go downsized, laid off fired, whatever you want to call it, as companies reduce their labour force. Well, so most everyone now has dealt personally or through a loved one who has lost a job. So this is something that I think we’re we’re getting better at as a nation in dealing with it. I know, I had my own struggles. But what I learned is that, okay, I had kind of done prior to that preparing myself to to have my own company, my own business. And do motivational speaking and writing. And I got into products, a little bit product development, that type of thing. And I thought, Okay, well, no time like the present. And here I am, given this golden opportunity. I was given a nice severance package and that type of thing that helped me over for a little bit, it’s like, Okay, this is the time I need to, to use this gift that’s been given to me about layoff and use the resources I have monetarily and otherwise, and just see what I can do with this, can I make my business? You know, can I make a go of it? It was completely terrifying, because it went absolutely against everything I’d ever been taught about security. And in the US to, as you might know, insurance is a bit of an issue here health insurance? Well, when you have major health issues, you don’t want to be without health insurance here in the US. So I always had that in the back of my mind. And is, so I was really going out on a limb. And I made sure that I did get health insurance, but it was pretty limited. And it was very expensive and only cover, you know, limited, limited stuff. Um, but it’s like, Well, okay, I just I need to step out, I need to do this. If I don’t, I’ll always wonder what life would have been like if, you know, if I would have been brave and tried it. So I just did it. And over the course of the last five years Fiverr. So I tell you, my mindset totally changed around David and I came to see that money is only one of the many resources we’re given in this life. And fortunately for all of us money is the one of the very few resources that there is always more of, you can always get more of it. And it might mean you take jobs you don’t necessarily like it might mean you take a couple jobs at one time. Whatever it might be, it might not be optimal. But there’s not really a reason to be afraid that there’s an no money to be had. Now, I don’t say that to be insensitive, because a lot of families were really affected during this recession in recent years.
However, I think if I think if you’re resourceful and you prioritise, there’s almost always ways to get through anything and I no longer see money as the, the determiner I guess that’s what I’m getting at in a very long winded way. But I it took that obstacle away for me. And I just I want your listeners here to understand that too, that there’s always a way and to not use that as an excuse, not use it as a fear to limit themselves in trying different things.
David Ralph [21:46]
I agree with that wholeheartedly. I’m going to play a speech that also says that we agree with you there. And this is Jim Carrey,
Jim Carrey [21:52]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [22:19]
Now I play that every day. And every day, I get shivers up my spine at that very last bit. And it is such a powerful statement. And it is resonating with the world. You know, I could basically just do a 32nd show every day with just fat. And I probably would be as successful as I am doing an hour show. That’s how powerful that is. Do you do you think that is the message that we should get out to the world? but certainly the children going for the education system?
Kris Harty [22:50]
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And you know, I have to say to that I have a lot of boy, a lot of hope and faith, the millennial generation. And I don’t know if that’s a if that’s the US term or not David, but for Oh 20 I would say Actually, this is my own definition anyway, of people in their 20s and 30s. They’re about that, that generation. And I and I suspect young kids coming up to have maybe a better perspective on life and what matters, then maybe some of us who have gone before as a as generationally speaking. Yeah. Yeah. And they seem to understand that, you know, there’s that happiness matters in this world. And it really doesn’t matter on your deathbed, if you have amassed millions of dollars if you are unhappy or don’t have anyone standing around your deathbed with you. And I don’t say that to be morbid. I just say it to be in the end, what really matters. Is it money is that you know the inspiration or not.
David Ralph [24:03]
Yeah, but I think with the millennials, and I, I do think it is probably an American phrase, because I must admit, I hadn’t heard it till recently. But I speak to a lot of Americans, and I always praise it that way. But I do think that certainly youngsters coming up there, they seem to be more aware of the possibilities because they’re more the internet generation. And certainly I went from my education and into work before the internet was formed. Or if it was I didn’t know it. I you know, I actually remember somebody first saying the words Google to me and not knowing what it was. And now How could you not know what Google is. But I think now, they can go on the internet. And they can look around and I can see things and they’re that that connectivity of being able to see not just in their localised area, or what their parents did. But what people are doing in, you know, Madagascar, and Australia. And you can look around and you can see things and you can go there. Fat looks fun. I reckon I could do that. And as soon as you kind of get that inkling vein, you’re halfway there on you as soon as you go, I think I can do that a lot of the self limiting thoughts in your head shift, which is exactly what I did with this all I did, I listened to a show one day and I thought I could do that. And as soon as I fought that thought, I thought, How do I do it? And I started doing it. But you’ve got to have that first ball, I can do that. And then go for it.
Kris Harty [25:26]
Yes, absolutely. It all starts with I can do that course I can do that. Yeah. And if you don’t have that, you’re not going to start? Absolutely. But if you do, wow, the world is completely open to you. Because you if I go back
David Ralph [25:43]
to sort of when you you, you got a juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, and you were sort of age seven, what were you and I don’t like to use the word normal, but I don’t know how to phrase it. But when you’re when you’re going to be sort of expected height? Or were you always going to be a little lady.
Kris Harty [26:01]
I know, I tell you what, before, before age seven, and when I when I was diagnosed with juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, I was a very normal height, maybe even a bit tall for my age. And I come from a family that is all quite tall. And so there was every indication I would have been, you know, right up there with the rest of them. But even within a few couple boy a couple years, even into living with Jay era, as it’s called, abbreviated. Because the meds were so powerful while they allowed me to walk they freed my my movements. So I could, I could, you know, still move, move legs and arms and, and that type of thing. But they were so powerful. The steroids and cortisone that I was on, they inhibit bone growth. And so you know, you know, it kids, how quickly they grow well, with, yeah, within two years, I already was not growing. And that’s huge for a kid you know, you can be as a parent, you know, you can, you can watch kids, you can almost literally see them growing, sometimes they grow so fast, in such a short amount of time. So even by like third grade, when I was how, let’s say I would have been nine ish, I guess. I was, that was kind of a last year that I was somewhat still keeping up in the growing department with my peers. And after that, I just, I didn’t grow a whole lot more. It was really an issue when I was younger, because oh my gosh, just we could do a whole show on that, David. But yeah, suffice it to say, it really. It messed with my head and with a a lot of other people too, whenever they’d see me plus, I just I looked younger, I still look a lot younger than what I actually am.
David Ralph [28:07]
Oh, you know, women try to tune for that.
Kris Harty [28:12]
Yes, and I come by it naturally. Now, not just for the shortness thing anymore. But it just, I don’t know what it is. But anyway, I’m 50 I just turned 50 a week or two ago. And
David Ralph [28:24]
you get you off at the ball and things like that. If you if you’re in a public hell
Kris Harty [28:29]
not anymore, it ticks me off. But
But I did until I was probably 40 years. So I would regularly be carded. And as I moved on in decades to my 30s and 40s. And now 50 it’s like Yes, yes, it’s a good day if I get carded. Thank you for for thinking I’m much younger than I am. But you know when you are when you are 30 and you look 15 dead. That ain’t so cool.
David Ralph [28:58]
Because my wife is an lady she’s bought at 10. Now I’m six foot one. So we’ve got quite Oh, she’s tall, David. Well, she she would tower view, I’ll be honest, but yeah, she’s she’s still a little toddler. And for you years, she used to get sort of carded all the time. And it was just one of those things that she accepted. And she admits that herself once it stopped, she wondered why, you know, yes. And people do judge youthfulness on sighs don’t know, which is a weird way of doing it.
Kris Harty [29:28]
Yeah, it really is. And in business, um, you know, I go to a lot of networking events. I don’t know if networking is huge in other countries as it is in the US. But it’s just kind of how you do business here and how you meet people. It’s one of the avenues anyway. So I go to a lot of networking events, as much as I hated them. But the gist of a networking event here is okay. Hi, I’m Chris, here’s my business card, call me if I can help you. That’s kind of what it is. It’s really a poor way of doing business and introducing yourself to other people. But that’s how it works. Well, no one we didn’t even look at me because, you know, they, they looked straight across to the people. They could see straight across, I’m way down here, you know, so I literally be overlooked. Or if they did happen to see me They thought I was some kid in their midst. And even at almost 50
David Ralph [30:28]
I can just imagine how you
Kris Harty [30:29]
Yeah, so you can imagine it brought up all kinds of interesting scenarios, and could be really frustrating. But again, I had to kind of learn to just laugh at it and go with it and learn how to put people at ease too, because you know, we’re not when we see someone different than ourselves, we’re not always all that comfortable about it. So I’ve learned to use humour a lot and be the be the one to make that first connexion. Even though that killed me, because it hurt. I’m really an introvert, but I’ve learned to pretend I’m an extrovert. And, you know, put my hand out, introduce myself and make some wisecrack comment that gets them smiling or laughing. And that seems to break the ice. Which you know, is kind of necessary for developing business and other relationships.
David Ralph [31:20]
Cuz the weird thing is I’m struggling with and I’m grappling in my mind is obviously, you know, at the age of seven, you would want to grow up to whatever height nature theme that you was going to grow. But it seems to me, but it actually made you who you are, you are almost your unique, authentic self because of it. And not despite of it. And I’m wondering, even though I’ve only sort of met you tonight, whether the Chris hearty, six foot tall version would be as now going and farm and personable as the smaller version. It’s like you’ve had to battle against it. So you’ve you’ve chipped away at what was in you until you changed it into diamonds.
Kris Harty [32:08]
Yeah, thank you. I love that. I love that assessment. And I’d say it’s quite accurate. Yeah, you know, what nature gave me or, you know, however, you want to look at all of that, what I had to deal with, it has made me into who I am. And I can Oh, man, I can tell you I would not be who I am. If I did not have all of the challenges along the way that I’ve had to deal with, including the height issue.
David Ralph [32:35]
I would have?
Kris Harty [32:37]
Well, I kind of like I kind of don’t like the picture I see in my mind of who the person is that I would have been nice, but had these challenges. Yes, though, the older I get, the more I live with challenges, the more I can look at who I would have been without those challenges. And I would not have like that crystal you very much.
David Ralph [33:01]
Oh, so you’ve got that image. But it’s an image but you almost locked away in a cage. And you’re saying, you know, thank God, but I didn’t become that person.
Kris Harty [33:11]
Yes, exactly, exactly. And I’m not I’m not saying that for anyone else. I’m only saying it for me, but for dealing with a whole lot of crud in life from a very early age and all through and will continue to as well. Boy, it’s made, it’s given me so many opportunities for growth and depth. And learning about myself and learning about humanity and other people. It’s given me a lot more compassion and grace for other people as well as for myself. And just to say, you know what, we all have issues were battling. Mine just happened to be more visible, I can’t hide them. I walk into a room and you know, there’s some issues going on with me. And there, nothing I can do about it. You’re gonna form whatever opinion you want to form about me. You have no
David Ralph [34:06]
issues up you this is what I think it’s other people. I’ve got the issue.
Kris Harty [34:11]
Well, I like to think so. David, I’m not quite sure that’s entirely accurate. But I certainly have my own issues. I’m not saying that I solve
David Ralph [34:22]
issues that would be recognised when you walk into a room. You know, you’re drinking into a room with a walking stick your you know, your small lady with a walking stick. It’s other people that’s got those issues surely. Now, when when you get home and you’re laying in your bed, and you’re watching Telly or something, I mean, yeah, I can understand within your own head and all that kind of stuff. But basically, it’s other people’s problems surely.
Kris Harty [34:44]
Yeah, yeah. Oh, you’re right. It is I see where you were, what you’re saying? Yeah, absolutely. It is. And it took me it took me decades, decades, David, to realise that, but you said it right there. And it is other I do see it as, as other people’s problems. Now, their issues, you know, whatever, they, whatever place they are in their journey, they had either learned at that place in their journey by that time, to not judge or, you know, to give everyone a shot, or to shut them down, or whatever it is that they’ve learned at that place. But that is their own journey, that is their issue, it is not mine, I just have to put myself out there and you know, the best me that I have to offer, and those who are supposed to be in my life will enter it and those who aren’t, probably have issues and walk away. And I’ve, I’ve gotten to accept them and, you know, give them that grace that okay, maybe someday they’ll be at a different place in life, maybe they won’t. But that’s not for me to be concerned with. And certainly not for something for me to feel bad about myself for I kind of feels more sorry for them at this point in life. And I I hope that they are given some challenge in life that allows them to, to grow a little bit from it and learn that, that lesson that wisdom that benefits all of us, he’s,
David Ralph [36:12]
it seems to me to be a truth bow, that the people that have started from a lower level, whether they’ve lost everything, financially, they’ve lost everything, or whatever, they seem to be the ones that because they’re at the bottom rock bottom, but they start making movements up, the only way is up. But the people that go through quite a comfortable childhood, and they easily get into a job. They’re the ones that don’t have anything to fight against. So don’t really find their true self.
Kris Harty [36:41]
Yes, Wow, I’ve seen that time. And again, play it out. And I I really sometimes feel badly for those who are privileged in this world and who go through life. Beautiful, and smart, or funny or, or with money. Um, they’re just they have the whole package. You know, we all know those people. And you know, hooray for them. But I also see that as they go through life and have to deal with the inevitable knocks that were all of us down over the decades that they’re not prepared, because they’ve never, they’ve never been said no to they’ve never encountered Oh, I encountered a wall. Um, whereas like you said, with people who start at the bottom or find themselves there along the way. Wow, they, they got it all going on. When life hands and lemonade because they know how to pick themselves up, they know how to just move through it, you know, wow, that’s a that’s a skill, you really kind of have to just experience to learn it.
David Ralph [37:52]
Well, you know, I speak to quite a few people, and especially people I used to work with. And they will say, Oh, yes, I’ve been listening to your shows. And yeah, is a scope coax going. And, yeah, I know what I want to do. And I sort of assume when you’re going to do it, Ben? Well, it’s not quite right at the moment. And I see him like three months later, and I’m having the same conversations with them. And I think you said that last time. And it’s the fear of letting go of what you’ve got, which is become a dawning realisation to me when I when I did this, I basically quit my nine to five and but what the hell am I going to do, and it’s a long storey, but I ended up doing this. And now I’m doing is having conversations with people, I think I should have done it years ago. And I now would like to have a big banner dragged across behind an aeroplane across the world saying, There’s no right time. It’s now and I will just drag that around. Because people do have this this internal dialogue where they’re going, Yeah, okay, I’ll wait till Christmas. And then I’ll do it in the new year. And then I’ll wait till beers and I’ll wait till that. And if you think about it, the past you can’t do anything about a future you can’t do any you about. But now you can do everything about and if you do enough, now, he’s gonna affect your future. Seems simple to me.
Kris Harty [39:07]
Yeah, it is simple. Once you get it, it’s simple. But it’s stepping through that, through that fear, like we talked about earlier. And it’s just the older I get to, the more and more I echo exactly what you’re saying as well, because we only have the now we only have the note to it tomorrow is not guaranteed, next hour is not even guaranteed. We only have now and why not start toward our dream toward whatever we want to do or feel we’re here to do? Why not do it now there will always be excuses. Always, always, always, we can always find excuses, they are so plentiful.
David Ralph [39:53]
You know, it’s like it’s like having kids, you know,
Kris Harty [39:57]
if people are deciding when to have kids, there’s never a good time to have kids. There just isn’t. You just have to go ahead and, and, you know, get the whole thing going. Because
David Ralph [40:11]
I like the way you phrase that Chris,
Kris Harty [40:13]
just like that, David, just get
David Ralph [40:16]
Unknown Speaker [40:18]
Kris Harty [40:21]
Exactly. Because otherwise, there will never be a right Time to have kids, there will never be enough time time to devote to them, there will never be enough money, you know, for most of us, you know, to say okay, I can cover the bills, you know, really well and not have to worry, there’ll never be this or that or that or that. Or this. So you just have to kind of go for it sometimes. And the funny thing about life is it, it works itself out. It just does. Man. So you know, just to be a more intentional about. Okay, now is the time right now is the time. Just do it. Now, for me. I’m a perfectionist. So I want to line up everything, every little detail. I want to have it all, you know, have all my ducks in a row and know how I’m going to go about everything? Well, yeah, I find when I when I go that route, I never start anything because never nothing is ever going to be quite in perfect order is just not. So you have to just kind of dive in start learning as you go pick up the pieces as you go. And know that you’re going to have some false starts, you’re going to have to start over sometimes you’re going to have to just do you know, change course a bit do things more intelligently. But those are all right. It doesn’t mean you fail. It doesn’t end even if you do who cares. You just start over again. It’s all good. It’s all good.
David Ralph [41:48]
john lennon said life is what happens when you’re busy making other plans and that’s about Yeah, it’s about right really, isn’t it?
Kris Harty [41:55]
So right. Yeah, right on track. Yeah, it does happen, no matter what the heck else we’re doing. So So what scares
David Ralph [42:02]
you, Chris? it you know, we’re having a conversation that’s very positive. It’s very enthusiastic about grabbing. But now, but I know that fear is, you know, we’ve come full circle, we started off talking about fear. But um, what? What scares you? Do you have anything that routes you in place? On a daily basis?
Kris Harty [42:22]
Wow, David, that’s a really good question. I have to say, there is not a tonne of fears that hold me back at this point. I’m not saying that I’m completely without fears. That’s not accurate at all, either. But when I have when I face fears, and it usually has more to do with what will someone else think? gal? I hate that? Do we not ever get over that as humans completely. But that’s still dogs me at times. The thing about it is though, because I’ve dealt with it for for so many decades now, I and I’m a slow learner sometimes, too. So probably your listeners will be much quicker about this than I was. But I have learned to just say, Oh, that’s right. I don’t care about someone else’s opinion. Just kind of remind myself, and I The cool thing is I can remind myself much quicker in the process. Now. It doesn’t cause the inks to use to it’s just like, Oh, yeah, that’s right, a quick reminder to myself, and it’s like, oh, yeah, their opinion doesn’t matter. Okay, this is what I’m going to do then. And it frees me up to keep going forward. So I think it’s something we all have to continually deal with, whatever those fears might look like for each of us. And we all probably have have our own or variation, but it’s just a matter of keeping pummeling through them. And by doing that you get much better at dealing with them more effective and efficient than then if you didn’t at all.
David Ralph [43:56]
So So what were you doing when when you lost your job? Because I’m looking at your list of things that you have done maybe over the last few years. And radio host, video blogger, speaker, author, product creator, blah, blah, blah, well, what were you actually doing when you actually was made redundant?
Kris Harty [44:15]
I asked my job you mean, what was I doing in my job? Or outside of my job?
David Ralph [44:20]
What were you doing a new job when I say we were closing the doors and
Kris Harty [44:23]
okay. Yeah, okay. I was the job title was called communications coordinator. And I, I ran an internal database along with another another co worker, that how is all of my, all of my company’s internal documents for our sales forces across all of our brands, and all of our products and processes and yada yada? So, to be honest, totally boring. Completely boring. Was I good at it? Yes. Did I love it? No.
David Ralph [44:57]
That there’s a question. Why did you do it? If you do I love it.
Kris Harty [45:01]
Because David, I did it for insurance, or medical insurance, because that’s how screwed up our country has been until the last year or so. Um, is he would you?
David Ralph [45:16]
Would you go back and do it again, if I said to you, oh, my gosh, door opens, you can go back and get your old job. would you do it?
Kris Harty [45:24]
No, no, don’t make me Don’t make me David. No, I would not. And, and in fact that the last few years where I was working that job, um, I had to really find some mind tricks to get my butt out of bed and go into the office every day, and be productive and not in a nasty mood. And it wasn’t that I hated the job itself. It suited me Well, I was well suited for it in a lot of ways. But you know, I was just hiding behind a computer all day long. Not a lot of interaction with humans. I missed at that time. And, uh, but I had to, I had to find I did have jobs before that, that I hated. And I had to just find ways to kind of trick myself into going into the office and making the best of it, and what I what I eventually kind of came to, to get me through that period of life. And I’m not a preacher, so I’m just going to preface it with that. But for me, I’m a very spiritual person, I do believe in God, I do believe in Christ. And I believe I’m here for a reason. And with that, I, I knew that I was in that place for a particular reason, even though I didn’t, I wasn’t given the insight to know what that reason was, I knew I was there for a reason. And I thought, Okay, well, then the only impact that I know that I can really make on other people is just to be a resource for them and help for them. So if they’re having a bad day, I can be the one to go over and say, Hey, you know, I noticed your kind of seems like you’re maybe struggling, can I help with anything, or just even to shoot them a smile or a word of encouragement, or to let them know that their efforts were appreciated. And, and that was one of the things I kind of had to had to create in myself was that, okay, I am here, maybe not so much for myself, but maybe for other people. And the cool thing about that, David is that when you reach out and become someone who is a support, support, in a sense for other people, that you help them do their thing better, then it has a very strange effect on yourself on myself. And I started to feel better about myself and why I was there, and that I had a role to contribute. And it wasn’t that that I found meaning and fulfilment. And that’s
David Ralph [48:05]
what you want in life. I had an email from a lady that I used to work with, and she stood a friend of mine, called Charlotte, if you’re listening, Charlotte, this storey is going to be about you. But um, I hired her when I was her manager many, many years ago. And she interview, she was rubbish, she really was. And her tests that we used to have to do was just shocking. And HR said to me, You can’t hire this lady. And I said, I like her, I really like her. And she has a smile that lights up a room, you know, she’s a beautiful, beautiful lady. And her personality and spirit is just you’d like to believe in it. You know, she’s one of these people that just makes the room happy when she’s around. And she emailed me the other day, and she had been listening to some of the shows. And obviously, I share personal storeys about where I worked. And she’s working in the same environment. So she sees it from the different side. And she sort of emailed me and you could just see that the but the Spirit was diminished somehow. But she knew what she wanted to do. But she just didn’t have the ability to make that leap. And I’m desperately going to go and sort of meet up with her and have a drink in there. But I just it really whipped up my heart when I saw this email, and I sort of emailed back and said, you know, you can do anything you want. And she said yes, but you know, I can’t do this. And I can’t do that. because deep down, I know, this girl can do anything. You know, if she can get a job with me hiring when she was so rubbish in the interview, there’s a there’s a message via Charlotte, you were so rubbish, 10 years ago, and you still got a job, and you’ve been doing it for 10 years better than literally everyone else in the office that shows that you can do anything you want in life, and you can go out and get it, you just have to find the thing that makes you happy and being love every single day. Because you’re such a wonderful person, you should be happy every single day. That’s what I would say. And it’s it’s the same to you know, I could change the name from Charlotte to to a million, probably 6 million other people’s names. And banking would get that same storey deep down by a happy life force. But work somehow has left them feeling like they’re in limbo land. And I suppose that’s what this show is about every single day saying, it’s not gonna be a quick fix. But as soon as you start wanting to do something else, I’m realising, but you you’re not happy. And now our options, as I’ve done, as you’ve done as everyone I’ve spoken to has done, it just changes, doesn’t it? It changes and you you then go, yeah, if I offered me that job again, I wouldn’t take it for a million pound. Because you just you’ve seen the episode, and you’ve walked through the door, and you can’t go back. Little bit of a rant there, Chris, but um, I felt he had to be said,
Kris Harty [50:44]
it was a good rant, David. Totally, really good rant. I completely agree with all that you said. We, it’s, it’s the rare person who wouldn’t need those words said to them, at some point in life anyway. And one of the things I’ve learned to is it’s not, it’s not the externals that make us happy is the internals. And if you have, if you get to a place where you’re pretty content with who you are, who you’ve chosen to become, and it is a choice, we have a choice of who we become, and personality wise and otherwise, to an extent anyway. We, if we can kind of master ourselves and get a good attitude about ourselves and see that we have value no matter what we do or don’t do in this world. And no matter what the externals around us are about whether it’s job wise, or family wise, or money wise, or whatever. If you’re content within yourself, you’ll be content no matter what, what environment you’re in, if you’re not content within yourself, is also really not gonna matter what job you have what people are in your life, you’re not going to be happy. And that’s, that’s a really sad place to be I know a lot of people who live there, but boy, I just encourage people to really do a little bit of introspection, it’s, it’s sometimes difficult. And I know it’s not something we embrace in this country very, as much as we should. That’s for sure. But I think it goes a long ways in creating a life that’s fulfilling, and, and happy. And you where you can spread a joy around you to, you know, make other people’s lives better. And that really enriches your own it’s, it’s a pretty cool place to be.
David Ralph [52:43]
So So what should we say to Charlotte, let’s make this show the Charlotte show. And I’m going to send it to early because you did a job that you didn’t like, it was boring, and you went in there. And once it was taken away from you, you wouldn’t go back there do we say that people should transition gradually, because I’m a great believer when it is a slide of faith, which is the safer way, and you start working on things, you start connecting with people before you then go, I’m not going to work here anymore. And once you build up enough momentum, you can actually make that leap quite easily. And it doesn’t feel so dramatic. Is that the message that we should say to Charlotte, or should we we give another another words? What would you think Chris?
Kris Harty [53:26]
Oh, Charlotte’s you’re capable of so much more than you give yourself credit for? Don’t box yourself in, go try different things. Go try different things. And maybe you don’t even know what’s going to make you happy? Or maybe you do. Maybe, maybe volunteering somewhere and learning some new skills is going to either reinforce what you think you want to do. Or it’s going to say no, I thought I wanted to do that. But now I don’t. Or maybe it’s going to introduce some things to you that you never even considered before. Just believe in yourself, just just go out into the world and do just experiments. You know, there is no failure. There is no, there is no shame in that. Just make Connexions as you go. It’s really about, about connecting with other other people anyway, just like you said, David, and it’s why you hired her because you just saw saw her spirit. Well, the world is desperately in need of people who have a joy about them and a spirit that knows no bounds. Be that be that for other people. And you know what you do? What you do the external stuff around that. And not all that important. But do find something that makes you happy because life is life is too short. So just keep going keep searching. It’s all good. Don’t
David Ralph [54:57]
go away. Go for it. show goes on. So So what do you think about the kind of logic bat? If you find something that you really love, and you put your whole heart in it, ultimately you will do it better and money will come your way instead of thinking I’ve got to earn money and doing something but you just think he’s full of monetary gain.
Kris Harty [55:18]
Yeah, hmm. Oh, man. Yep. Just I think the money does typically follow as well. You know, and it’s not always a straight path either. So sometimes you just have to hang in there. But find something that you enjoy doing. Boy, I was just talking to someone this morning. Who is at my church, in fact, who has been struggling with her own job for a long time, and she’s not happy? But she says, Well, I could, I could go somewhere else do something else. But it’d be a big pay cut. And I, I just don’t want to you know, give up. Give up the money. I was like, well, geez, you’ve been miserable since I’ve known you. If apparently, my is not really making you all that happy. So why not check the money thing and go do something that makes you happy? Wow, it’s so totally worth it. And I think once we do find that thing that makes us happy, we either are going to be content with it not if it’s something that inherently just doesn’t bring in a lot of money. Fine. As long as you’re happy. That’s a good thing. The bills will get paid one way or another. But
David Ralph [56:27]
should I give a message to your friend?
Kris Harty [56:31]
David Ralph [56:32]
A message to your friend. Sad lady, whatever name What is her name?
Kris Harty [56:37]
We’ll call her sad lady
David Ralph [56:38]
wake up sad lady. She’s not gonna listen to this anyway. But, but sad lady, I will say to you that you would not be poor. And I was when I quit my job, I quit my job. And literally, I was scrambling around at the back of sofas to pay bills. But I knew that I was going to do something that would change my life change other people’s lives make me happy on a daily basis. And when I look back on it, I would do the same thing in a blink of an eye. I really would. And yes, it was scary. Yes. Other people saying I was mad. And I’m still mad in many ways. But I’m happily mad. And that’s the difference.
Kris Harty [57:17]
Yes, that’s a great message. The sad lady needs that. And so do a lot of other people do. And I did at one point in my life to you. So I’m not passing judgement on that. But boy, it’s a good place to move beyond. Absolutely.
David Ralph [57:31]
You said you said a phrase on there about sort of them curly careers and squiggly careers. And it’s not a straight line. And I’m going to play the theme of the show now. And this is a speech by Steve Jobs, who says about really, you can’t see the future, you can only look back and connect the dots. This is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [57:47]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [58:22]
What you reckon does it make the difference
Kris Harty [58:25]
makes all the difference. It makes all the difference. I completely completely ditto what he said, I love that quote, I’m glad you run it, David. Because he’s right, we do not see the dots. We can only see them in hindsight. And you just have to go forward and trust that the dots that you’re acquiring in life as you go, will create something pretty spectacular as you keep going forward. And it might be a year down the road, it might be a decade, it might be three decades down the road. But hang in there gain all the experience that you can. I’m amazed in my own life, things that that I you know, dabbled in, in my 20s jobs or skills or even extra curricular activities or whatever it might have been. I’m amazed at how how those things play into my life have played into my life in my 30s and then in different ways in my 40s. And now they still come into play in my 50s and things all along the way. They just have a way of of shaping of of shaping you as you go. And and they come together in the end to be exactly what’s supposed to be for you. It’s the coolest thing ever. I kind of like seeing how that’s coming together. Did you think your
David Ralph [59:55]
medication at the age of seven Was that your big dot was that really led this kind of adoption started you becoming Chris hearty that you are today.
Kris Harty [1:00:04]
There wouldn’t be a short chick without with the walking stick without it’s so true. Yeah. And all the pieces along the way have have made me into who I am. And what I’m doing today. I never I never David in a million years would have ever thought I’d speak anywhere or write a book. I really never thought I had a voice because the world told me I didn’t that I was the world just told me that I was this some, you know, incapable handicapped kid and then adults who really didn’t have much to offer the world and ha, wow, it’s been a journey, something for another show. But I’ve learned quite the quite the opposite is true. And and I’ve gained a lot of wisdom and I you know, not just me, other people have to. But if we allow wisdom to come into our lives, if we allow ourselves to learn from the the tough stuff of life, it will teach us a lot. And with that, boy, I tell you, we we have a lot to give back to other people to help them with their journey as well.
David Ralph [1:01:13]
So the last question before I send you back in time on the Sermon on the mic is do you think that everyone can have a kick ass life?
Kris Harty [1:01:23]
Yes, totally. Absolutely. Of course. Yeah, it’s a choice. Totally a choice.
David Ralph [1:01:29]
Right? Well, we’re going to send you back in time now. And this is the part of the show that I called a sermon on the mind, but basically is time travel. And I’m going to play the theme tune in, you’re gonna whisk back and meet your younger version. And if you could walk into a room and meet the young Chris hearty, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give where we’re gonna find out because I’m going to play the tune. And now you’re up. This is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [1:01:56]
Unknown Speaker [1:01:57]
with the best?
Kris Harty [1:02:14]
Well, hello, my dear, you have no idea what’s to come in your life. And you’re going to be amazed and happily. So I’m glad to say you are in college, you’re just nearing the end of college, you just graduated. And through all of that. It’s been a time of growing, it’s been a time of learning a lot about yourself and your place in the world, or at least what your place isn’t in the world, your place in the world is not to shrink and be small, Your place is not to be a wallflower trying to hide, because you don’t think you have value because you think people are repulsed when they see you. Your place is not to be like less than what you are. Your mom is dying of cancer, you’re doing her best your best to help her. But at the same time, you don’t know what you’re going to do without her because she’s been as many challenges challenges as she presented to you. She’s also been your human guiding force, the one support that’s been there always, and you don’t know what you’re going to do without her? How are you going to function in the world? once you graduate? Is anyone going to going to give you a job? Will anyone see your value? What skills do you have? You wonder you wonder if you have anything to offer the world. And I just have to tell you that you do beyond measure beyond anything you could ever, ever know within yourself at this age. But it will come to you it will come to you slowly, you’re going to have a whole lot more hurts in this life, a lot of people are going to come and go. And that’s just how human relationships often are. They will enter your life and they will exit your life for various reasons. But you’ll go on, you’ll have yourself and you’ll have you’ll have God and he’ll be with you the whole time, the whole time, even when it doesn’t feel like it. But he will, he’ll see you through he’ll provide for you. He’s looking out for you. You just can’t see it. And that’s okay. But you’re going to go forward and you’re going to find your voice in this world. And there’s going to be a whole lot of people along the way who help you and who appear at just the right time and have just the right word for you and just the right opportunity. And you might not even see it at the time. But they’re going to make a big influence on you. And over the course of the next several decades, you’re going to become who you admire, from a distance at age 20. And who you would never have thought you could become but you will become her. You will become that person who you admire from afar and who you think you don’t have it in you to to be like her, but you do and you will. And it’s not gonna be easy, but you will find your way. Don’t give up. Don’t let the world tell you. You can’t. Don’t let the world tell you you’re small. And don’t believe it. Just don’t believe it. Keep ploughing forward, ploughed through the pain, ploughed through the fears, plough through it all, and do your own thing. And eventually you’re going to be that woman who inspires other people. Because you will have proven yourself and maybe not all over the world, maybe not to all the humans out there. And that’s okay, you don’t need their approval, you are quite fine on your own. And those who need to hear a word from you to be inspired in their own lives will hear that word from you. And those who aren’t ready to hear it for their own lives who think they have it all figured out. Maybe they do. And maybe they don’t. They, they don’t need to be a part of your life. You don’t need their approval, they have their own path to go on. It doesn’t need to interfere with yours or interact with yours or intersect. You have your own path, follow it. Follow it one step in front of the other. Even if you don’t even see ground in front of you. Just keep taking those steps. You’re going to be just fine.
David Ralph [1:06:43]
Chris, how can our audience connect with you?
Kris Harty [1:06:48]
David, I’d love to hear from your audience members, there’s a whole host of ways that they can connect with me. They can go to Facebook, under short check with the walking stick, short chick with the walking stick on Facebook, Twitter, Twitter and LinkedIn look for my my name. Chris, kr is her T is h AR t y that’s kr is h AR t y. And I’m on Pinterest as well and YouTube under Chris Hardy. They can email me at info at short chicks calm. And they can also visit my website, short chicks calm, easy enough searching calm. And from there, they’ll find all all the ways to connect with me as well. I’d love to hear from them.
David Ralph [1:07:38]
You are everywhere. And we will have all those links on the show notes. Chris, thank you so much for spending time with us today, joining up those dots. And please come back again when you have more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining those dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Kris Karty, thank you so much.
Kris Harty [1:07:55]
Thank you, David. It’s been a pleasure.
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David Ralph [1:08:24]
Yes, hello there. Do you know during the show, I was looking through the iTunes reviews that everyone’s left. Oh, I’ve had some amazing ones. Well, every single one is amazing. They’re all five star. Why will they not be five star? Because it’s a five star show. But I haven’t seen one from you. Is it something I’ve said? Is it is it me? Please tell me Is it me? Well, if it’s just an oversight, please make amends by going over to iTunes and looking for Join Up Dots with David Ralph. And if you could find a few moments to leave a five star rating and review our it be absolutely amazing. And it will really push my show further up the rankings and make it more of a show that I want to deliver to you on a daily basis. So if you could do that, thank you so much and I tell you what, I might even come and mow your lawn this Sunday.