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Introducing Jon Nastor
Jon Nastor is todays guest, joining us on the Join Up Dots free podcast interview.
He is a man who from his home in the town of Thunder Bay Ontario Canada, has set about living the life that lights him up inside.
Jon admits to never having felt really settled in life, and at his core has always had the desire to go against the norm and do things his own way.
And certainly at the moment, he is flourishing within that mind-set.
He is busy creating both the time freedom that we all want in our life, and a series of online ventures that can give him the aforementioned freedom.
For most people family comes before everything, they are the reason that we are here.
But also for most people we see less of our families than anything else as we set about building the income and providing the support that they need…yep work gets in the way of everything.
He likes nothing more than spending time with his daughter and wife, and so in just two years has grown his current online business, from $0 to $490k in annual revenue, This is a fully digital business, in a tiny market, with average sales of just less than $27 per transaction.
He starts, runs, and grows online businesses and can help us all do the same.
But in life all paths and ventures that seem that the guest was destined for, actually took many years for them to find and Jon Nastor was no exception.
How The Dots Started Joining Up For Jon
Jon Nastor spent his earlier years travelling coast-to-coast across Canada playing drums in several punk rock bands.
Although not a punk in fashion, he has never let go of the D.I.Y. ethic that taught him: if you want something to change, you have to do it, get it done, or stop complaining about it.
See that free spirit again, can never be denied when it is who we are.
His latest creation is called VelocityPage, a Premium WordPress plugin that allows anyone to create beautiful web pages in minutes — without code.
He is also the host of the hit podcast Hack The Entrepreneur.
So what is it about him that had always felt unsettled?
And what advice can he give all of us as we look to find the thing that makes us bound out of bed each morning and never have to see our boss’s face again?
Well let’s bring onto the show to start joining up dots, as we discuss the words of Steve Jobs in today’s Free podcast, with the one and only Jon Nastor
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Jon Nastor such as:
How he loves the spark of building a project in its initial stage, but then gets bored quickly and struggles to keep his eye on the ball.
How he sat down and wrote five years ago, about how he dreamt his perfect day would look like, and then one day realised that he was living it!
Why he realised that success was his when he tool his family on vacation for two months to South America and realised “Hey I have my laptop with me….work can go anywhere!”
How he wants his legacy to be that he has showed his daughter that there is a better way of living in life. If she wants something and works towards it, she can get it.
How life in many ways imitates Beatlemania, and sometimes you are in the centre of everything and do not realise what you are achieving
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Audio Transcription Of Jon Nastor Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. join up dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes, hello, everybody. You didn’t see me there because it’s a podcast. But I was having a little dance I thought all inspired by that introduction. He did something to me. Hopefully it does the same to you. And hopefully the conversation today does the same to you and your bill all inspired to go out and grab that dream life because that’s what it’s all about. Now, today’s guest is a man who from his home in the town of Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada, a set about living the life that lights him up inside he admits to never having felt really settled in life and at his core, as always had the desire to go against the norm, do things his own way. And certainly at the moment he is flourishing within that mindset as he is busy creating both the time freedom that we all want in our life, and a series of online ventures that can give him the aforementioned freedom. But most people family comes before everything. They are the reason that we are here. But also for most people, we actually see less about families than anything else, as we said about building the income and providing the support that they need yet work gets in the way of everything. He likes nothing more than spending time with his daughter and wife so in just two years, has grown he’s coming online business from zero dollars to $490,000 in annual revenue. This is a fully digital business in a tiny market with average sales of just less than $27 per transaction. He starts runs and grows online businesses and can help us all do the same but in life, all paths and ventures at seen by the guests was destined for actually take many years for him to find and he was no exception. He spent his early years traveling coast to coast across Canada, playing drums he several punk rock bands, although not a punk and fashion is never let go the DIY ethic that taught him if you want something to change, you have to do it get it done or stop complaining about it. See that free spirit again can never be denied when it is who we are. These latest creation is called velocity page, a premium WordPress plugin that allows anyone to create beautiful web pages in minutes without knowing code. He’s the host of the hit podcast happy entrepreneur. And I suppose the questions are so what is it about him but it always felt unsettled. And what advice can you give all of us as we look to find the thing that makes us bounce out of bed each morning and never have to see how bosses face again? Well let’s find out as we bring on to the show to start join up dots. The one and only Jon Nastor. How are you Jon.
Jon Nastor [2:47]
I’m doing excellent David thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it
David Ralph [2:51]
is a lovely to have you on the show all the way from funded by Ontario it sounds like an exciting name funded by Is it is it is it all people running making lots of noise and stuff.
Jon Nastor [3:03]
The name is really exciting. The town itself we’re we’re very very isolated and a small city like to literally to get in a car and drive to a city of any significant size will take at least eight hours driving at 100 kilometers an hour. So we’re we’re very much isolated but we have airports so we can leave quickly when we need to.
David Ralph [3:25]
So so what what do you do in the funder vape and if you’re isolated a night out when you are on as we call it, the Razzle I don’t know if you call it about over in America. But when you fancy going out for a wild night, what can you do in funded by
Jon Nastor [3:39]
really all I do at this point for a wild night is and I do it’s about I would say two to three nights a week is I go and downtown from here. So when I get on my bike from my house takes me about 10 or 15 minutes to get downtown say of the city. And there we have a jam spot. We say that we rent so much band is in there. We’ve been in there for I think seven years now. And all our instruments are in there. We have a foosball table, we have a beer fridge, we have coaches and a TV and we hang out there make a lot of noise on our instruments and just kind of hang out have fun.
David Ralph [4:15]
You’re still a student at heart. Arent you, you haven’t quite moved on.
Jon Nastor [4:21]
Yeah, I guess that’s something I’m struggling with. Am I supposed to move on I’m pushing 40 at this point. But I’m I’m focusing on setting up a life so that I don’t have to grow up, I don’t want to.
David Ralph [4:31]
I think that’s brilliant. And I think that’s what life is all about. Because so many of us buy into that myth of once we hit a certain age, we have to be responsible and not enjoy the things that we used to do. So we stopped playing Xbox games and things like that. But you’re pretty much saying That’s rubbish, I can add the life that I want. And no one’s going to tell me what to do. And if I want to play pool till three o’clock in the morning and drink beer and play loud music, man, I’m going to do it. And I salute you, sir, for saying that.
Jon Nastor [4:59]
Thank you. And I gotta say last night, I was up playing drums. But I didn’t drink beer, because I had to be up this morning for this. But I did stay up till about two in the morning reading comic books. So I guess that makes up for it.
David Ralph [5:12]
You’ve got to have your vices somewhere in life, don’t you? Yeah. Somebody said, Why is it about you, Ben, that is so unsettled. Because when I was reading about you and getting the introduction together, and I read lots and lots over a couple of days, it seemed to be not just a common trait with entrepreneurs, but something that is absolutely you your core, that the thing that you cannot take away from Jon Nastor is the fact that he is not going to conform. he’s a he’s got a maverick spirit. And it’s it’s almost like the starting the building of something excites you? And then you kind of get bored of it. Would that be fair?
Jon Nastor [5:56]
Holy smokes. Yeah. I’m only just now Come come to terms with this, David. And we met about 10 minutes ago. And I love I love the spark in the building and the creation of an idea and sort of putting a team around it and just sending it out there. And then I do I get I get bored. And I have to start something else and work on that. And I’m literally just coming to terms with this now. And here. You are just like walk it. Where were you 20 years ago? David? I know save me a lot of time. I know. So
David Ralph [6:29]
many people have said that to me. They’ve actually sort of say, you know, didn’t like give you some clues in the pre chat. Did I ask you know, it’s just out there where if you read enough stuff about someone, the clues are out there. And in the online world, if you’ve been in the online world for a while, you generally with your about page and different things in your blogs and stuff. You put enough content out there that tells you what you should be like, but it seems to be that the people that are putting the content out are almost like just vomiting on the page to do it and not actually reflecting on the content they’re putting. Because there are there’s clues around you, john, and that is one of the things that I picked up on.
Jon Nastor [7:09]
Okay, well, I guess the thought on that is if, at least in my case, and I mean, everybody I guess I’m surrounded with online, now we do we farm it a lot of content out there. And I think we kind of have to because when you don’t you overanalyze your content, and then you never get it out there, you’re afraid that it’s not perfect, and nothing is ever going to be perfect. Move on. If I write something yesterday, which I did, I actually don’t go back today and read it because it’s, I just, I need to just be better today than I was yesterday. And I just need to continually be better. But it doesn’t mean I have to be good today. Because if I’m not good, I’m not good. But continually practicing at it and doing it. Hopefully in 10 years, I will be really good at creating content, right, but just there’s no perfection. So just you do have to kind of as you say vomited out there and just move on, move on with your life. Everything’s kind of static at that moment. But it’s I’m not static, right, but the content is so it’s just I guess how you have to look at it. And it does cause us to not go back and reflect on it.
David Ralph [8:11]
I actually reflect a lot. And I’ll be honest with you my favorite show, but I listened to is my own. And I listened to it on a daily basis. And I find it interesting to go back in time over 200 episodes ago. And I listened to actually episode not 2.5 yesterday, which was the very first thing I ever recorded. And it just sounded, it sounded like a lost version of me that it was almost bad. I didn’t believe the words I was saying, and I wanted permission to be able to put it out there. But when you get to Episode 200, I’m far more competent, because I actually believe in what I’m saying. But I find the reflection is hugely powerful to actually help the improvement, but you just like to just improve naturally without looking back too much.
Jon Nastor [8:56]
Okay, well, I guess when we think about it that way, David. I mean, I have had the entrepreneur now, which is doing excellent. For me. It’s only about two months old. But last summer. So like 14 months ago or so I did. I put out a podcast with somebody locally that knew the ins and outs of podcasting. And I didn’t I just knew I had content I wanted to put out. And I have gone back and listen to that. And it’s like, Okay, well, so nervous. I sound scared. I knew all that stuff. But I did it anyways. And I have gone back and reflected. But I can’t go back and reflect on every piece of content because I’m trying to put stuff out every day at this point. But it’s true, like a static like, like a project of a podcast. That was I think it was 13 or 14 episodes long. It was a moment in time that’s kind of packaged now. And I can I can put it on my phone, I can listen to it. Especially because I do I still get like emails about it once in a while like, oh, that really affected me. And I’m like, Wow, that’s cool, because I really thought that it was kind of terrible. And not that it was terrible in the content, or I was just no good at it at that point. But I knew I had to start and I had to be no good. And then I I had to focus on my business for a year. And then I came back to it. And now I feel like I’m kind of in control of it. And I’m sure I’ll listen to it in a year again, hack the entrepreneur. And I’ll be like, Whoa, what were you doing? But so it’s true. I do reflect somewhat, I’ll pull up something and from like a year ago, but I won’t do it from yesterday. I can’t, because there’s not enough of a change. And I’m still it’s an evolution, right. It’s not like a revolution in Johnny, it’s an evolution. So I have to just kind of let it flow, I think and not be worrying about yesterday.
David Ralph [10:30]
Would that be one? Yeah, absolutely does. What would that be one of the messages that we need to get out to the listeners, the guys who are sitting on the train, they’ve got their headphones on, they’re going to work and they’ve got this idea of starting something, or we pretty much saying just start, it might not be very good. But it will get better. And you just have to start somewhere?
Jon Nastor [10:52]
Absolutely. That’s that’s the first thing I would ever say is you just have to start because it’s going to suck sorry. And is I don’t care if you don’t think it does. But you will in a year, I don’t care if it’s the best thing in the world. It’s still a year from now you’re going to have grown so much. If you keep going, you’re going to look back and be like Oh, wow. But it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t affect you. It doesn’t mean it affects you only in a positive way if it does affect you. And yeah, you just have to start because you I can’t say it enough, you have no idea what this world will give you once you start. And I’m feel like I’m living proof of it. Because I’m living kind of a dream lifestyle right now that I wrote about, like some notebook pages, like five years ago. And I never thought I would really get here I wrote it out. But and then I just got started. And once I got started it really just it’s crazy how things kind of come at you and fall into place kind of once we had to kind of maneuver them but you really, really really have to just get started. It’s so important.
David Ralph [11:54]
So So what was the scribblings on that bit of paper when you wrote that five years ago, can you remember the kind of thing that you you detailed on there?
Jon Nastor [12:02]
I could almost verbatim quote it. It was. So five years ago, I had just recently moved back to Thunder Bay from Vancouver way across the country where I had moved in a band at that point. And I met my wife, we had a kid and we moved back here. And then I wanted to figure out this online marketing thing I just figured, like realized this whole online business. And I’d had an offline business, which was fun, but it didn’t allow me any freedom of movement and geography. So I got into all the usual internet marketing sort of stuff. And at that time, it was Frank Kern was the big guru type guy. And he had this free video leading up to a launch of something, and it was writing out your perfect day. And it was supposed to be an absolute detail were like everything you think from the moment you wake up to say the first, just the first half hour of your day. And then through where you have lunch, what you do all day, what you think what you’re feeling what you’re seeing, and I wrote out that day. And really oddly, it was this past July. And I had the perfect day. And I didn’t even it was like halfway through it. And I was like, got this really weird feeling. And I was like, I’m living this perfect day. And it was, it’s literally just, I got to get up in the morning. And just, I had coffee and breakfast with my wife and my daughter. And we talked about the things that each of us were going to do that day, that kind of excited us. And we just we have freedom all three of us now like my daughter even stayed home from school this year, my wife got to quit her job a year and a half ago. And we all just and I work from home, right? So and I don’t work a whole lot usually. So it’s we have absolute control of our lives and destiny. And it feels really, really, really good. And we’re not rich by any means. We’re not any of that stuff. But I’m realizing that that’s not actually what I wanted. I actually just wanted freedom and I wanted to not have anybody in my family have to do things that they don’t want to absolutely be doing. And they should only do those things. And I feel that everybody has it within them now with the power of the internet to literally only do stuff that absolutely makes you super, super happy. Everything else is just unnecessary at this point with the scale of magnitude you have to reach people and just to get your message out there.
David Ralph [14:36]
So I agree with that. Totally. I absolutely. We are kindred spirits, Mr. Nestor. But if you said to me, You could have 100,000 pounds a week, but you’ve got to work 100 hours, I would go now I’m not doing it. I’m absolutely not doing it. My whole focus is exactly what you say is not the money as such. It’s the freedom and doing the things that you love. And so many people can’t quite grasp, but I can get back that the delay.
Jon Nastor [15:05]
Yeah, and it’s amazing. Like, I mean, you’re obviously living proof of it, you have an insane amount of like leverage of people that you now reach from your home. And in the UK. And it’s amazing, right? It’s just because you started doing it. And it’s interesting, because about a week and a half ago, I was actually in negotiations with something for my business. And I was actually offered, like, a pretty like what I would think is a pretty insane job getting paid a lot of money moving to Silicon Valley, developing product for a massive company, I come from small town Canada, I said to the guy, I was like, Okay, first of all, I don’t have a university degree that I finished. I just do this stuff online. And I come from small town, Canada. And obviously Silicon Valley sounds amazing with like travel benefits. So I can travel the world conferences, and I just get to develop product that goes out to millions of people. And then I thought about it. And the only response I could give the guy was, he’s like, I said, I’ll be really good. I said Monday and Tuesday, my first two days, I’ll be really good. I’ll probably show up at eight o’clock like I’m supposed to, by Wednesday, I’ll probably sleep in and I won’t get there till noon. I said, and you’re gonna hate me for it. And I just I said I need to be absolutely clear with you that I’m a terrible employee, I absolutely AM. And I’ve come to terms with this. And I’m, that’s why I’ve set my life up to not have to be an employee. And I don’t think for three years, although that sounds glamorous and stuff, I know that it’s not going to wear off in two years, it’s going to literally wear off in two days. And by Wednesday, I’m going to just be back to my usual self. And you’re going to be like, what are you doing, and I’m going to realize this was a terrible mistake. So let’s just cut this now. And thank you so much for the offer. But this isn’t what I can do. Sorry, this isn’t how I’m setting up my life. And that’s to me, that was really, I got off the call. And I was like talking to my wife is like I can’t believe that I’m also in a position to turn down something like that, that seems so like Hollywood in TV and glamorous and weird. And I’m just like, No, no, actually, I’m going to just I’d rather spend time with my family, I just would and be able to control what I do. And when I do it,
David Ralph [17:11]
really and I know that you know yourself now, don’t you, as I said earlier about the the sort of the lack of spark and the boredom, after things move on certain way. Once you do know yourself, then life does get easier because you you construct things to play to your strengths. And if your strengths don’t go certain way, you don’t go at certain way, which I think tires people out. I remember when I was doing the corporate gig, but nine to five, the commute to work and bag, I used to get home and I was exhausted. And now I look back on it, it was because I didn’t really want to do it. So it was just too much effort to get going. And if you have that ability now to tailor it, then you should have all the energy in the world and subsequently be apt to provide better quality work to the world because you have got that passion and you’ve got that energy level but you wouldn’t have had before so I think he’s he’s testimony to the the you know yourself so well now.
Unknown Speaker [18:09]
Jon Nastor [18:11]
and I don’t want to sound like I just like, was born with this because I wasn’t I mean, I’m 37 years old now. So it’s I should know myself by now, I guess. Right. And it’s very, very recent, that I’ve come to terms with it. So it’s very, very recent that I’ve like, posted all the stuff about like being really into punk rock and playing drums. And I’ve just, I’ve learned that I need to be that true, Johnny, not this other one that I thought was kind of necessary to be successful in business and such. And for some reason, I really confuse those two things. And it’s only been about the last year and a half that I’ve figured that out. And my business has really just like skyrocketed since then. And the just the places I get to go the people I get to talk to and hang out with now it’s just ever since I just admitted that I with punk rock and really loud music and playing drums, which is really weird. It sounds completely disconnected from business. But it’s not because it is it’s my true congruent self, it’s me. And that’s who I need to be, you don’t need to be something that you think you need to be, you don’t need to be a guy wearing a suit to be the business guy, I look awkward and awkward in a suit because I am. So I shouldn’t wear one, I should just wear jeans and a T shirt. Hopefully it’s clean, because my wife before I left the house, but other than that, it’s like I just and once I figured that out, which is really really recent, it’s that’s when things really have started to go well for me. And I’ve really, really started to be happy with where I am and what I’m doing. And it’s it just keeps growing. And it’s really amazing. And I don’t want to be that guy just saying Oh, if you think this way it’ll happen because that’s not true, there is a lot of steps to it, and a lot of things you have to do. But it’s amazing the stuff that just appears in my inbox or my cell phone rings of people that I just was never expecting to reach out to me.
David Ralph [20:09]
Now it’s just them reaching out to you, because you are being you and people engage with people that they like, and there’s gonna be lots of people that don’t like Jon Nastor, there’s gonna be loads of people, probably thousands of people that don’t like David Ralph, they won’t come into my world, but the people that do like you will, because you’re being totally true to yourself. And it took me years to realize that I used to walk around corporate offices in London, looking serious. And because I thought you had to be serious, you, you you in corporate management, you know, you had to really focus on it. And that was never me, I generally want to, you know, have a laugh and have a chat and stuff. And there’s a world of kindred spirits out there. And if you are that kind of person, you kind of play up to that you’ve got to find new role that works for you. And you’ve just done that. And so it’s not weird at all, where people go, Oh, that’s amazing that he plays drums, because I read it. And I thought, that’s good. That’s an angle I can talk about. Because I straight laced, I go to work, I come home or wherever business. So where’s interesting about that, but people that have got dark and light and shade and stuff. That’s the interesting things to talk about in that.
Jon Nastor [21:17]
Right? It’s true, it absolutely is true. And when you say that thousands of people won’t like job master. That’s absolutely true. And I was actually just talking to this lady, another Canadian lady, and she helps people like launch ideas and products and share her take on it, which was really interesting, I thought was our people, especially when they’re trying to start a network and stuff. They’re looking for the people that will love them and people that will find your thousand true fans and stuff. And she was like No, actually look for the people that you repel. Just because they’re those people are already coming to tell you, you’re no good tell you, you shouldn’t do this. So look for those people and really be the person that they hate. Because that’s your true self. And that’s the one that’s going to succeed. And once you get rid of those people, which is easier to do than find the good ones, the only the only people left are the people who love you. So and I was like, Wow, I’ve never thought of it that way. I’ve always been thinking of it like where John’s true fans, right? It’s like no, actually, let’s just let’s actually go out looking. And I’ll be so much me that the people who just despise that would just come out of the woodwork and tell me all these terrible things about me. I’ll just ignore it because I’m looking for it anyways. And then the people remaining are the ones who just really are the ones who, like me, and are my true fans, I guess. And they’re good friends. And we build businesses together, we do cool stuff. So I thought that was an interesting take on it. Because it’s different than how most people think about it. And it also places you where you’re ready for the negative feedback that is coming, no matter what you do, whether it’s from your girlfriend, or from your mom, or from whoever, when you start doing these things that seem crazy when you start and then turn out a year later to be an amazing thing. Everyone like, Oh, yeah, no, that’s a great idea. You did that, even though I was totally against it the whole way. I think it’s, I think it’s a cool way to look at it. And I think it helps you get ready to get over those hurdles.
David Ralph [23:10]
You know what we call that Jon, we call that the success vacuum. But when you start you’re in a vacuum. But as you become more and more successful things come towards you, you can call it the success magnet as well. And then suddenly, you’re not surrounded by the negative people that you started with that was saying to you, it’s never going to work. If it was so easy, everybody would do it, you know, you haven’t got it in you, you end up with people that are totally believe in you. And once you get there, it starts sucking in more and more and more. And it’s not a quick fix, but anyone out there who’s listening to us talking and it just sounds like, right, you just get up and you get dressed and you don’t wear a suit and you go out and have a laugh. But that’s not true. Because there’s a hell of a lot of hustle. And you’ve got to flex that hustle muscle on a daily basis to sort of really get these things going. But if you’re willing to do that, and you’re willing to do it the long term and Jon Nastor saying it’s taken him five years to get to this point. And there might be so many people that are can’t be bothered for five years, I want it in five minutes, will you probably ain’t gonna get it. But if you do put the work in and you do flex the hustle muscle, and you do find your unique self, your three quarters bear, you just have to find the passion button, you’ve got to find the thing that really lights you up inside, like Jon Nastor has. And hopefully it sounds like I have as well. What When did you realize, Jon Nastor that you had found the thing that actually lights you up and you kind of go yes, this isn’t work for me anymore. As you’re saying this is playing.
Jon Nastor [24:39]
I’m going to, I wish I could say it was two or three years ago when I moved online full time. But it really wasn’t it was a lot of work, then. And there wasn’t a lot of monetary reward at that point. So I didn’t have the freedom. But I knew that it was attainable, and I just had to keep working. So I would really say the last I’m gonna say the last 18 months Know About two years ago, actually about two years ago, almost to this day, we got to go on our first big trip as a family, we went to South America for two months. And I think that was when I was like, Okay, this is actually something. And I just remember getting off the plane in Buenos Aires, and looking for a cab and then just being like, so I just I’ve created some stuff online. And literally my family is here for two months just because of that, because of that work I put in. And it’s true. You say like five years, David is like, Oh, that’s so far away. I don’t want five years. And everybody thinks that everybody thinks that about a year. But it’s funny because all of a sudden, a year has passed and you haven’t done anything. And that five years in that year, whatever is passing anyways, it really is it’s like it’s not like you stop time, if you don’t think about doing something that’s going to take you that long to succeed. Seed time doesn’t just stop and you freeze at 25 years old. Because of that, no, you still going to turn 30 except you can be 30. And literally living off a laptop and traveling the world and living in amazing hotels and meeting amazing people or you can be 30 and be at your corporate job still and being like, oh, remember that time David and Jon Nastor, they told me that five years of hard work would have got me to literally ultimate success, or however I define that. But I thought five years was too far. It’s like it’s coming. It’s coming anyways. And I don’t want to just sound like the old guy saying that it doesn’t matter if it’s a year or not. And the time I started realizing the time passes was when I was 27 years old. And we had our daughter, and I was 27. So time did it just kind of blurred in together. But then all sudden, it was her first birthday. And I was like okay, I’m in the same spot I was last year and then it was their second birthday. And the better third birthday, then she starts getting really excited about birthdays and telling me that she’s excited about my birthday is telling me that it’s my birthday, they again, and I’m just like, Whoa, time is going and then it’s like five years like holy smokes. And I never had that before. And now she’s nine years old. And I know that my life is completely different than when she was born. And I’m proud of that. But it shouldn’t have taken nine years. But it did. Because it took me five to start. And then it took me four to succeed. And so it’s just the way it is and the times coming anyways, you might as well enjoy it and be fulfilled by the fact that you are working towards something better. Because if you do work at it long enough and hard enough, there’s almost no way you can fail indefinitely.
David Ralph [27:40]
I lost the way Yeah, I agree with this journey to this point here to this conversation with Jon Nastor has taken me about six years. And it wasn’t all about doing this show. I was trying other things. But I was trying to find a way of getting my freedom. And I used to come home every day from work. And I used to work in the evenings on the and looking back on it. Now I don’t know if you find this, Jon Nastor, I think a lot of the things that I was working on, especially in sort of the online world, I was close to success, but didn’t quite have the competence and the belief to push it to that next level did that last little bit, and then something else will come along. Okay, I’ll leave that this looks better. And I’d move on to that. So over that sort of five year journey, I would say the last year, this is the first one that I have been 100% focused on and I’m not giving up on it is the thing that’s going to take me to it. But I couldn’t have done this without those other things. And that’s what he’s found join up dots. No experience is wasted. You look back on certain things. You go, Yeah, okay. Didn’t quite pan out. But I got this from it. And I got that from it. And do you see that in your life on that journey that you’re talking about? There was moments that with hindsight, you can look back on and go, yeah, I could have could have made more of it. But for some reason, I didn’t quite give it that final push.
Jon Nastor [29:00]
Absolutely, absolutely. And I’m actually totally happy with those decisions that I made, because those actually weren’t the right things for me. And they would have been successful, quote, unquote, in that way, which was they could have made a lot of money quickly. But I’ve now realized that that’s not Success to me anyways. And it’s led me to now my business of velocity page. And velocity page is completely and absolutely congruent again with me. It’s my idea founded it and my frustrations. And I’m going to create something that is literally going to be used by millions and millions of people. And this isn’t just dreaming, this is like something, I’m actually setting up with a partnership with another company, and it’s going to actually happen. And that to me, is amazing. And that is what I was, I think, at least at this point I’m supposed to be doing and all those other things leading up to this, we’re just building off that. And there’s some things I’m like, completely wouldn’t even talk about that I’ve done online. And not that it was like shady or anything, it was just weird, those niche marketing things and just things to try and figure stuff out. And I did I made some money at some of it. But it wasn’t what I was supposed to be doing. But I do believe I needed to do those things to build the foundation to build actually a real solid business that I fully fully fully believe in. And I’m proud of and can’t wait to really push it out to the world in a big way.
David Ralph [30:30]
Let this play a speech that really fits into this moment on our conversation, Mrs. Jim Carrey,
Jim Carrey [30:36]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might won’t take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [31:03]
Is that the message that you would get out to your child now?
Jon Nastor [31:07]
Yeah, absolutely. That’s, it’s amazing, gave me goosebumps. And I know that speech. And it’s funny because I mean, he’s talking about a father. And so probably from like the 70s or something. And jobs really then were a lot more secure, I think than they are now like people literally like jobs just get cut by the thousands just because they can outsource it somewhere else. Like it’s so not secure. I don’t get help people think that it is secure. But yeah, that’s something I absolutely focus on with my daughter. And somebody the other day asked me if I’ve left a legacy I want and unfortunately, I feel like I’m too young to really have left a legacy, but the only sort of legacy I’m working on is really building my daughter up to believe that she can do anything that she literally puts her mind to and she’s nine years old, she has a passion cast. She’s being interviewed by a lady in Europe tomorrow, like because she’s gonna start reading a novel with that. I know
David Ralph [32:07]
the lady. She’s already she’s being interviewed by Annie Alexander. Annie Alexander.
Jon Nastor [32:13]
Exactly. Yeah, it’s amazing, right? I mean, she’s nine years old.
David Ralph [32:16]
But isn’t that amazing? whole world. I actually know who’s interviewing your daughter. I spoke to the lady this morning. And we’re very close friends. And she was saying I’m interviewing this nine year old next week. And I went Oh, happy. Interesting. You know, that’s.
Jon Nastor [32:31]
That’s my daughter. Is it a fluke, though? Because she has a dad, I guess that is teaching her these things that I mean, she sees me just doing weird, crazy stuff that pays the bills really well. And I just work from my office with my microphone and do these things. Right. And so it’s actually as soon as I asked her the other day, because and he asked me if she would do it. I went up and asked at that. And she was just like, Yeah, I would love to do that. She’s just like, freaked out, like, not like, oh, what’s an interview? What’s she was all over him. Like nine years old. I was playing with like little cars, race cars when I was nine years old. And I was so not, like, confident or anything. And she’s just it’s amazing. Right. So I think that is the message I would like to give her is that she can and I always think of the the quote from Steve Jobs. And it’s, I guess, because I’m a Product person. Like in software. It’s what I like. So I really admire the man, although he’s terrible as a father, and I don’t want to do that. But he said, it’s a paraphrase. I don’t know the exact quote, but you need to look around you in every single computer, every phone, every book, every every single thing, every desk around you was built and created by somebody who is just as smart, and just as motivated as you except they just actually went out and did it. They’re not geniuses These aren’t. Everybody’s not better than you trust me, it’s just, you have to understand that everything, this MacBook computer in front of me is literally just created by the idea of an average person. But he at least was confident enough to go out and take that idea and make it something that the world could enjoy and use. And I think that’s amazing. Because we’re raised to think that these famous people on TV, these famous people build cool companies and stuff. But I don’t I don’t get to do that. Because I wasn’t led into this life that could do it by my parents, or I didn’t go to the right school, or what ever it is. Or I’m from Thunder Bay, this small little town in the middle of a tiny little country, Canada. Right? That should be an excuse. It should be a perfect excuse for me not to do anything. So maybe I should do like everybody else that I know here and not do anything, just work it meaningless jobs. But I was like, No, why would I do that? I will never do that. It’s not for me. And it’s crazy the stuff that you get to do when you realize that connection, that this stuff, everything surrounding me is literally built by people like me, except they’ve been willing to put themselves out there and do it. And that’s to me is life changing. And that’s the message I would love to get out to, I guess all the listeners and also to my daughter. And I feel like my daughter is on the right track for it at this point. And I’m super proud of her.
David Ralph [35:14]
I think your daughter is and I think that’s the legacy that certainly I’m trying to promote with my two youngest, nine and 12. So I’ve got a nine year old daughter as well. And literally every day I say to them, you know, have you thought about what is possible today, you know, what, who’s going to stop you doing anything, and I’m just trying to get back into them. Because I think it’s I lost out on my older children because I wasn’t ready to show them a better way. And they’ve gone into careers, and they’re doing well for themselves. They’ve got jobs, and hopefully they’re happy and all that kind of stuff. But now I really think that you can have your cake and eat it. And you can really love your life and do stuff and meet kick ass people and just have that kind of life that people would have gone maybe 1015 years ago. How’s that ever gonna happen? You know, be real, that that was always the phrase be real. And now I think no, you don’t have to be real, you have to be creative, you have to be a dreamer. And by dreaming big, and then dreaming bigger, again, you can achieve and you can achieve amazing things. And one of the things that the technology has given us is the ability to get rid of the gatekeeper where you can now do stuff that you would have actually had to go to someone to help you before. You know, I mentioned this a lot. But you know, you’ve got show, I’ve got show, we’ve created our own radio station, basically, with a microphone and a computer. If you wanted to do this, maybe 15 years ago, you’d have to work in radio. But now you can do it. And as long as the quality is good, you can build an audience and the audience can take you anywhere. And that’s what blows my mind once you get that audience. And once you get those people that believe in you, it can literally take you anywhere. And I’m just on that CUSP at the moment where opportunities are coming to me. And I’m kind of thinking Why? How did that happen? Because it’s happened because of the six years has led up to that is madness. And there.
Jon Nastor [37:09]
It is absolutely. And like you said the 15 years ago, this wasn’t possible. And unfortunately, I honestly believe that in 15 years from now, it might not be possible to start in the easy way that it is now. Because of the way that things do get locked down, governments are going to lock stuff down, not any conspiracy ways. It’s just how it happens. And big businesses, big giant media companies that have billions of dollars, but no longer have a business because nobody reads the newspaper anymore. And nobody listens to their radio stations, because they’re listening to podcasts and reading blogs. Those companies still have the money and they’re going to take control of a lot of stuff. I mean, I’m already seeing it, some big people coming into podcasting and setting up networks and like buying up shows and then putting them all together and controlling it. And that to me is cool that that idea is coming to it. But it also means to me that if you don’t start now or in the next few years, it’s I think it’s going to be really, really hard possibly to start in 15 years. I think I’ll be able to keep a business going and it’ll be amazing in 15 years because I already have my foot in the door but I guess I mean, you’d probably understand this because I mean you’re from the UK but me growing up with like rock and roll and stuff. I I’ve written about this and called it our Beatlemania because I grew up. I grew up as a kid loving the Beatles, right? And there was always this thing in me like I see people freaking out the whole Beatlemania thing and being like, man, I it’s unfortunate that I never got to be part of that, right. There’s no way I could have been born into that time. So I’ve missed Beatlemania. And now all of a sudden, I find myself in the middle of what I call our Beatlemania, because this is literally a time in place in history that is unprecedented with what we can reach and what we can accomplish. Literally from my basement in my house. It’s amazing. And I don’t think this time is going to be forever. Just like Beatlemania did not last forever. Sure. The Beatles, some of them are still around, and Beatles will always go on. But Beatlemania is over. And I think that this time and place in history will definitely be, there’s going to be a generation after this new generation. Now that’s going to look back and be like, if I could have been born, or been like 25 years old, in 2014, I could have taken over this world, right. But now I don’t have that. And I wish I could have and there are so many, there’s a whole generations of people right now that are just sitting on the fence, and I don’t know what you’re waiting for. There’s literally never been a better time in history. You have it. It’s in the palm of your hand, just friggin do it. And like, it’s amazing what you can do and the power and leverage you have. It’s shocking. I’ve just looking at David’s download numbers of this show. It’s unbelievable. The amount of people you can reach and blows my mind. Hey, whoa, I
David Ralph [39:56]
didn’t know I’m involved in it. And if we put the analogy of The Beatles, I remember hearing an interview with Paul McCartney and he was saying at the, at the crux at the real center of Beatlemania. It was as calm as anything, because it was always the four of them in a hotel room waiting to go on a show or whatever, just laying on a bed, playing the guitar and all that kind of stuff. And it was madness around you. And even in this show, I’m finding that I record the shows, and I’m right at the center of it. And I don’t actually perceive the buzz that is happening in the audience, because I’m getting until somebody like you says, but nothing Yeah, actually actually is amazing. It is amazing what’s happening. And you do become isolated in your basement, don’t you? I record from the back of my garden. In a recording studio. You’re in your your basement. And you do need people to actually say to you Do you realize, Jon Nastor, you’re creating Beatlemania. Do you realize, David, you’re creating Beatlemania? Because you kind of lost within the middle of it? Do you find that?
Jon Nastor [40:59]
Yeah, so. And actually, I try and really vocalize like on hack, the entrepreneur that people can reach out to me literally go to my site, hit the contact form, and it comes to my cell phone, email me anything, you’re stuck on any, and I’ll respond. And I’m starting to get one or two of them a day, which is great. And actually jumped on a Skype call with one of my listeners. The other day was the first one I’ve actually talked to. And it was pretty interesting, just listening to his, we were talking about other stuff. And then he would refer sort of back to my show, and like him driving to work, and parts of it that stuck out to him. And it was interesting, because I mean, I’m sitting here, I’m totally isolated. And I was talking to my wife about it after I was like, that’s cool, because when I do like the hack, at the end, I was wondering, I was hoping people would kind of make a game out of it, and try and figure out what that hack is all the way through. But that’s just me and my head, right? I’m just putting it out to the world hoping that other people think the same way, but have no clue. And this guy going through it. And I didn’t say that to him. But he was just like, it’s like a game. It’s like as the guys talking and you’re interviewing him, I’m trying to pick out what it is you’re going to pull out. I’m like, That’s amazing. And I said, You have no idea like my show is going out to a lot of people already. And to have one of you come back and tell me that this part of it’s working. And this part’s not. It’s amazing. And it really puts just, it’s true. Like it’s it’s, it’s hard, I guess to humanize it, because you are you’re just in the back in the room behind the concert with your guitars, right. And there’s this chaos going around you but you don’t really know it. So it’s, I guess that’s part of the analogy. And it’s hard and it’s good. But it is it’s something you have to get used to, I guess when you work online is that you are isolated from your audience to a certain degree. It’s bloody
David Ralph [42:46]
exciting. When you think about it, though done that just hearing you vocalize that, then I could feel it. Yeah. It when when you if you’re in the creative environment, and you’re doing something that we’re doing, and other people can do it as well. And we see more more people getting online and creating something when you get past that, that cricket stage where you’re not getting any interest at all, I use the phrase a lot because I love this. But Steve Martin had a phrase, be so good until they can’t ignore you anymore. And I think that says everything. Because when you start you get nothing to you. And then suddenly you get a little bit of interest. And then suddenly it picks up and suddenly it’s like the whole world believes in you. That’s exciting. that really excites me. Are you excited?
Jon Nastor [43:33]
Yeah, I, I can talk about this stuff all day. I literally, I think this week, I did eight different Skype calls an hour each for free with people just trying to get going or they’re stuck in one part of it. And people are like, why do you waste so much time doing it. And to me, it’s not a waste, because the potential of what we have right now really, really, really inspires me. And I hate to seeing people waste their life. Because life is short. No matter how long you think it is things happen. stuff goes by and even if it is, hopefully really, really long for you, hopefully you live to 100. But still to waste any of it and to waste all of it. Living somebody else’s dream, to me is the ultimate just, I just don’t think I could be happy with myself. And I don’t think that other people will be and I hate the fact that people will do that. Because they think that maybe it’s secure, or it’s the way they’re supposed to do it, or it’s what’s expected of them. And I will do anything in my power to help anybody in any way to get going and to change their life and just people around them and possibly millions of people around the world. And it’s, it’s Yeah, I can’t say enough about it. I just go on these rants because it It’s truly an inspiring time. And there’s a lot of inspiring people out there that are not getting their voice heard because they’re not willing to step up. And that, to me is tragic. And I’ll just help in any way that I can to stop that from happening to even one more person.
David Ralph [45:13]
Well, well, why is the great way for listeners to actually get going. Obviously, we mentioned right at the beginning about just starting. But that’s kind of simplistic because one of the things I always say to people is, look around, look around, become curious, become aware, just just spend time on the internet and don’t just look at the football results. Go around and just click on one thing and click on it another and then you’ll start seeing things that you go, Wow, I never knew you could do that. And I didn’t I have people to come on this show. And they earn a living in a way that even though I’ve spoken to them, I still don’t really understand how they can make a living on it. It just seems bizarre. But you have got opportunities everywhere, haven’t you. But when you’re in corporate land, a lot of people will go I’m fed up in this job, I don’t like this job, I’m going to leave this job. And what they do, they go to almost exactly the same job to another company, because it’s almost the comfort zone that they feel comfortable with. And that’s what comfort zone is all about. So is it as I say that they should become more aware of what other people are doing? And then you’re more likely to see something that you think, actually, not only does that look fun, but I think I could do that.
Jon Nastor [46:26]
Uh, yeah, definitely. And I guess
I mean, how, how to get started. And I mean, I guess if you’re talking the corporate world, I know that everybody I know in the corporate world, probably 25% of their day, every day at work is spent on Facebook. So like I said, with Steve Jobs, don’t just use Facebook and chat with your friends and waste time. Stop today stop when you’re on Facebook and just look at it and be like two guys in their dorm room in college before dropping out of college created this, they literally had this idea to create Facebook that has changed the way we communicate with each other. And they’re billionaires for it. And just literally go around the site and be like this is just some little like young kids idea at that point. And he’s created it, he still just wears jeans and sweaters, hoodies, sweatshirts everywhere he goes, and he’s a billionaire. And he’s created this website, you’re wasting 25% of your life on at this point, just to pass the time because you’re so bored. He was bored too. But he took that and he did something. So just literally just think about it. As you’re using Facebook, look at the ads on the side, on your right hand side and through your stream that you’re complaining about, and actually maybe click on one of those ads and be like, how is this person paying to advertise on Facebook? And then what does it take me to for a business? And how are they doing this. And then you know what, don’t reinvent the wheel, copy it. Once you see this at enough times and overseas a month, that means that they’re profitable, people don’t advertise for month long at a time if they’re not profitable. So you know that this business is profitable. So really just reverse engineer it, if that’s what you want to do, and just create a business. They’re everywhere. They’re all over Facebook, you complain about them, because there’s so much advertising, that’s what pays like Facebook billions of dollars. And that’s what also sets up millions of businesses with your, your cold traffic, you’re just eyes and a credit card, and you’re bored and you’re frustrated. So you go to these places, and you buy their products and you do stuff. And so this will help you change your brain and your mindset from being a consumer to being a producer. And I think that’s absolutely essential. Because as soon as you do that, anything that you do consume, because obviously I’m a producer, but I still have to consume stuff, I still have to buy food, I still to buy sneakers, I still buy computers and phones, and but as I’m buying these things, and as I’m making these transactions, as a producer, I’m aware of them, and I pay attention to them. And like David said, you will see opportunities come up everywhere. And velocity page came from literally a frustration of me as a consumer that I couldn’t buy what I saw was needed. And then I thought no, Jon, don’t be frustrated, actually be a producer produce this, because there’s millions of you out there, and millions of you will pay for this service. So rather than waiting for somebody else to do it, I’m just actually going to do it. And that’s what I did. And to me Facebook is the place to make that transformation. Because you we all actually waste our time on it a lot of time. And it was literally just made by two guys in a dorm room. I think what you said
David Ralph [49:39]
there, which was absolutely now on the head of time is you do not have to reinvent the wheel. And I think that’s what so many people think they need to come up with a new Facebook, they need to come up with the new best. And you don’t do you because the fact that those things are there already are you know, proof that there is a market to be had. Now, oh, we’re talking about these big monolith online things. What we should be talking about is these tiny niche sites where people are, you know, setting off poodle hair or something. I don’t know what they’re doing. But it’s those tiny little markets, but people have already discovered they’ve made money on and you can basically replicate it. There’s there’s too much pie out there not to be able to get a bit of it yourself. We’ve got shows on a different from other shows. No, they pretty much exactly the same. Do they do different structures? Yes. Did I have different frequencies? Yes, mine seven days a week. I’m not sure what yours is. But we put our own spin into it. And some people are going to like ours, other people are going to hate ours. And it comes back again to what we were saying at the beginning. Some people are going to hate Jon, some people are going to hate David, but other people are going to love you. And those ones is your market. And then you can start making an income doing something you love. Oh, this is a good show. I’m enjoying this one Jon Nastor,
Jon Nastor [50:55]
beautifully said beautifully said.
David Ralph [50:58]
So I’m going to play some words. Now all the man that you’ve you’ve quoted a couple of times, because he’s obviously a big inspiration to you don’t like how he was a father. But certainly he’s business acumen. This is Steve Jobs. And this is the theme of the whole show. And I’m always interested whether these words have played a part in your life because so many people know these. So well. This is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [51:19]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [51:54]
So all those words well known to you in your past. Yeah.
Jon Nastor [52:00]
That’s his speech. Right? It’s Stanford. Yeah. That’s a Stanford that’s the mission of
David Ralph [52:05]
my whole show.
Jon Nastor [52:07]
Yeah, it’s, I hope to be as well spoken as him one day, I more ranting in my passions of its I just right? And absolutely, you can’t. And that goes back to me to the whole five years from now, as David says, I mean, it seemed like a long time, and it’s never going to come. But it absolutely is. It’s absolutely coming. And not that for any reason. Not that you’re getting older, whatever, it’s just that it is coming, the time is passing. So you, you need to in some way, you need to plan for that. And to know that it’s coming. So that way it sets you up to start and do something today. Because otherwise that five years is now starts two years from now. Now it’s seven years, and you thought five years was long. Now seven years is even longer, or 10 years or 20 years, or like most people in this world, you never actually do it. I’ll do it when I retire. And there’s a famous news article, I believe it was from the globe, UK. And it was somebody went and talked to a whole bunch of people on their deathbeds and talked about the top 10, they found the top 10 regrets of people and it was never, I didn’t work enough. It was never I didn’t have enough money. It was literally, I didn’t do things that I probably could have done but didn’t try. And it was that I didn’t spend enough time with my family. And to me, those things are just so imperative, and that I don’t want to be that person. I don’t want to be that person on my deathbed and being like, what could you have done, john, it’s like, I’m going to know everything I could have done, trust me, because I’m going to fail a friggin lot trying. And lots of things aren’t going to work. Lots of things have not worked. But it’s so it, trust me, I’m going to know what I can do and what I can do. And I’m not going to possibly become Steve Jobs. I’m not even trying to become Steve job. That’s not my mission. But it’s I’m going to know what it is I can do. And that to me is going to make me happy when it comes time that I’m lying there. And it’s over. What are you aiming for.
I’m literally aiming for
absolute freedom for me and my family. absolute freedom, to me, obviously involves money, because money to me only buys me freedom, and freedom of absolute geography all the time, which I like to think I have now but I don’t, I do get to travel a lot. We do go on giant trips, but not as much as I would necessarily like to. And I would like to leave a mark somehow and make millions of people’s lives better and easier in some way. And right now that’s going to be through velocity page it is I’m focusing literally on my mission is that lots of people have ideas and have things they want to do. But they’re really stumbled even by technology and how to do that. How do I make a website? How do I do this, and I’m going to make it so easy for you that you have no excuses. I’m going to make it so cheap for you that you have no excuses. I want a platform for millions of people to be able to build at least what they need to get going. And to just leave excuses behind. And I want those millions of people to go out and do big, big, big, amazing things and to change people’s lives the world over. And to me, that’s my actual mission and goal at this point in life.
David Ralph [55:44]
This has been happening frequently actually recently that people are writing the titles to the show and your title to this show is a man helping us all to leave the excuses behind. I think that’s that is that’s perfect. And it john, you are a poet. No, I love it. So what I want to do now sir, is bring I really don’t want this show to finish I we should make it a four hour epic like, like, Gone with the Wind or Dances with Wolves or something. But this is the end of the show. And this is the part where we call it a sermon on the mic. And this is when I send you back in time like a young Marty McFly to have a one on one with yourself. And if I could send you back to the the younger john, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give where we’re going to find out because I’m going to play the tune. And when it fades you up. This is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [56:38]
Here we go
with the best the show.
Jon Nastor [56:59]
Okay, there’s parts, maybe a bit tough for me, I feel like I’ve been giving a sermon this whole time. But I’m going to go back to when I was 27. Because again, it’s the time that I became a father. And it’s the time that time started again for me. And there was a definite year after year. And so I dropped out of college, I was in studying Economics and Political Science, I dropped out in year two moved to be in a band. This is all when I was around 21. And so six years later, I had I had a business offline at this point. It was small, but it worked. And it was good. And I discovered the online world. I discovered it in the wrong way, I discovered that I was looking up to people who are just doing big giant things. And I couldn’t, I guess I couldn’t join up the dots to from where I was to where I wanted to be. And so I wasted lot of time. And I know I’ve said this, but I absolutely spend too much time just reading, listening, watching too many videos taking too many sort of courses and trying to figure out that I needed to know more I need to know more. I didn’t know how to make the right videos, I didn’t know how to make the right website. And it was about five years later, when I finally figured out that I don’t need to be good at everything actually only need to be good at really one thing, maybe two. And that, for me was a crucial turning point. I don’t I’m not like a productivity person. I don’t wear suits, I don’t I’m not your typical person, I guess who you would see as someone of success. And I thought I had to be. So I realized that I could be who I wanted to be, I could be the true punk rock guy, and still be successful because I come up with good ideas. And ideas are completely worthless, until you do something with them. But not only kind of come up with ideas, because some of the ideas I’ve come up with, or have executed on I should say, I haven’t even come up with, they’ve just been from other people that they’ve given me ideas because they know they won’t execute on them. So I’ve learned to just really take action, put people in place and partner with the right people to do stuff. And so I would just say to 27 year old Johnny that, be yourself, absolutely. Find out who that is. And that that person is fluid, that person will change. But be cool with them and just be okay with what you are and be willing to put that out there to the world. And realize that these people that you might be looking up to,
that are doing big things. But David is
although it seems like it’s completely distant from you, and that you couldn’t get there, you absolutely can. And I would take I have this book, called it’s not how good you are, it’s how good you want to be. And I literally have a case of them sitting on the floor of my office because I mailed this out to people I talked to all the time. And I just this is a book that I literally just wished the 27 year old me had, because when you open it up, it says, I guess kind of what’s the basis of my philosophy. Now, the opening sentence is nearly all rich people and powerful people are not notably talented, educated, charming, or good looking. They become rich and powerful, by wanting to be rich and powerful. And I would give this book to Johnny and I would tell them to read that. Because it’s absolutely true. You can be any of these people you want. None of these people are any different, the new except they’ve wanted to be different than you. And then I would also say that Johnny rich and powerful is not actually what you want, I want lots of money true. And maybe I make amounts of money that some people would think is a lot of money. But to me it’s really, really, truly not about the money. And I’ve realized that and it’s I’m not just saying that because that’s what everybody says I truly to a fault. I really don’t care about the money, I really just want to be able to do what I want to do. So I would make sure that Johnny knew that it’s possible for him to literally think is big as you can and then once you think you’re thinking as big as you can’t actually think bigger because as big as you think you can think at 27 is nowhere near as big as you can actually get to because I’ve surpassed it far at this point. And it blows my mind. And the new level of thinking big is just actually just scares me still and it’s amazing because I know that I will get there so yeah 27 year old Johnny know you can do it No, it’s just within you to do it. It’s within all of us especially you get started now think big. And then fully fully think about that now what it is success and freedom and riches or whatever you want to think define those things to yourself and don’t define them by how you think you should define them or how you think that the world defines them. truly think about how and what will make you happy and how you will live that perfect day.
David Ralph [1:02:36]
Jon powerful stuff How can our audience connect with you?
Jon Nastor [1:02:42]
Right now if you want to be quick, you can go onto Twitter at Jon Nastor and as to or hit me in its go straight to my phone, I’ll respond to you or else go to my podcast, which is hack the entrepreneur. com. You can subscribe there to my email list which, again, respond to any of those or reply to any of those emails, come straight to my phone. Anything you’re stuck with. I will help you in any way I can to keep you going and get you to the next steps. And yeah, listen to the show. It’s good to talk to brilliant people all the time. And from that site, you can lead to my business philosophy page if you’d like.
David Ralph [1:03:19]
JOHN has been inspirational having you on the show. Thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining up those dots and please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our pasts is the best way to build our futures. Jon Nastor, thank you so much.
Jon Nastor [1:03:35]
Thank you, David. This has been really awesome. And please keep doing it because you’re really really good at it.
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