Jane Barrett Joins Us On The Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast
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Introducing Jane Barrett
Jane Barrett is today’s guest joining us on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots business coaching podcast interview.
She is a lady working in the northern town of Harrogate in the UK, who is the founder of “The Career Farm”, where she inspires people across the globe to not look for a career, but instead grow one.
You see career farm, growing…yep it all makes sense.
She doesn’t believe that people are proactive enough in the way they go about earning a living, with the standard response to most people being the “Well it’s a job isn’t it” kind of response.
She feels that we should be planning our development in the same way as a farmer plans what crops they will sow for maximum yield.
We should be sowing the seeds that will help us reap bountiful rewards later on in our careers.
How The Dots Joined Up For Jane
She started her career as a Chartered Surveyor before re-training as a career coach, but in 1999 found her entrepreneurial spirit when she founded her first company, focusing on the supply of careers services and information products to Business Schools across the UK and Europe.
But in June 2012 as her business grew more successful, her belief that there was more to offer the world, and of course more to come from herself led her to selling her stake in the company and creating the “Career Farm.”
And it looks like she was right to do so, as with her well received book “If not now, when? How to take charge of your career”, her top ranked podcast “Mission Driven Entrepreneurs” , and myriad of other things helping people to feel fulfilled in their careers, she is certainly busier than ever.
But when did she realise that people needed to grow their careers, and being true to herself was she always growing her own?
And where does she see the biggest challenges facing the working population nowadays?
Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show, to start joining up dots, the one and only Jane Barrett
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Jane Barrett such as:
How she perceives a big dot in her timeline to be the reading of “What colours are your parachutes” and from that point knew that her life would never be the same again.
How nowadays there is almost no stupid ideas as long as you take action and find your market place. This was evidenced by the fact that her dog used to be taken for walks in a London taxi called “Bow Wow Meow!!”
How we should try to find our top skills and develop them for maximum effect to enjoy our lives and earn more than we have ever done previously.
Why it is so important to not only find what you are good at but also try to find what you love too. When the two come together then magic is made.
Why she loves doing her latest venture the “Mission Driven Entrepreneurs” podcast, as the ability to have conversations with these people is self-development at its best.
How To Connect With Jane Barrett
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Audio Transcription Of Jane Barrett Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK. David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes, hello there. Good morning, everybody. And welcome to Episode 228 of a Join Up Dots. Yes, it’s a lovely day at the back of the garden. The sun is shining. It’s moderately warm. And yeah, we’re just around the corner from Christmas. So it’s very, very mild for this time of year. But keep it going. Keep it going. because it’d be great to see Santa unable to land on the roof. Now kids is going to happen, believe me, there’s always magic snow on the roofs, and Santa will be able to land anywhere. Now today’s guest is a lady working in the northern town of America in the UK, who is the founder of the career farm where she inspires people across the globe, to not look for a career, but instead grow when you see career farm growing yet it all makes sense. She doesn’t believe that people are proactive enough in the way they go about earning a living with the standard response to most people being well, it’s a job isn’t it kind of response. She feels that we should be planning our development in the same way as a farmer plans what crops they will so for maximum yield, we should be sowing the seeds that will help us reap bountiful rewards later on in our careers. Now she started her career as a chartered surveyor before we training as a career coach, but in 1999 pounder entrepreneurial spirit, when she founded her first company focusing on the supply of career services, and information products to business schools across the UK and Europe. But in June 2012, as her business grew more successful, her belief and there was more to offer the world and of course more to come from herself, let her sending her stake in the company and creating the career farm. And it looks like she was right to do so. As with her well received book if not now, when, how to take charge of your career, her top ranked podcast, mission driven entrepreneurs, and a myriad of other things helping people to feel fulfilled in their careers. She is certainly busier than ever. But when did she realise that people needed to grow their careers and being true to myself? What she always growing your own? And where does she see the biggest challenge facing the working population nowadays? Well, let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start Join Up Dots and the one and only Jane Barrett, how are you doing?
Jane Barrett [2:32]
I’m great. Thank you very much, David. What’s an intro?
David Ralph [2:35]
Well, you deserve it. I’m feeling particularly good today, Jane, because I’ve been recording UK boards all morning. I think it’s the first day ever. But I have done UK all the way and it makes me feel good.
Jane Barrett [2:50]
That’s excellent. Some homegrown talent. There you go.
David Ralph [2:53]
Yeah, and we were talking just before we went live, and there’s a lot of homegrown talent isn’t even you know, Magic Kingdom in this whole online environment. But we’re in quite often you almost think that you know, the movers and shakers are in other countries other continent but there’s people over in the UK and they’re doing their fine.
Jane Barrett [3:14]
Absolutely there are and and actually, if you dig around you can you can find them I don’t know why they not quite as visible as the Americans do. You know, do you think you know why that might be David but we’re not as attractive
David Ralph [3:25]
Jane Barrett [3:27]
I think we’re not as good as promoting ourselves. I think the Americans aren’t really have that nailed the whole.
David Ralph [3:33]
Yeah, they do. They’re kind of I don’t want to save this but they’re kind of more glamorous in a way. I kind of had this image of Hollywood and Disney and road trips and sunshine and all that kind of stuff. And in the United Kingdom. I think of trainspotters and rain a warm beer.
Jane Barrett [3:52]
Yeah, they all live in California. And you know and they they do seem to have quite glamorous life. They go paddleboarding in the evening that type of thing. It’s like that’s quite different for what I do. My be on take the dog out.
David Ralph [4:05]
So you don’t don’t jump on us or them a paddle small canoe and goes or rowing for the Yorkshire
Jane Barrett [4:11]
I have just acquired a small kayak actually for my neighbour he just put it on the wall outside and said free kayak too good home. So I’ve just acquired a small car because I went kayaking kayaking in Scotland a couple of years ago and I want to get back into it because I love it. It’s an MIT if you’ve not done it,
David Ralph [4:30]
David I have done at kayaking and I’ve also done the more exciting I thought was like the kind of open Indian ones I don’t know what they call those ones
Jane Barrett [4:39]
Canadian canoes. Yeah, I was at what I caught
Unknown Speaker [4:42]
up in Steve
Jane Barrett [4:45]
Yeah, they look a bit hard work comics are great because you actually sit in them and you and it kind of feels part of you. And you can go What I love about it is you go right up to the side of cliffs so I was in Scotland on a on a with a company called wilderness Scotland and actually a guy just interviewed last week who you must interview He’s great. He set this company up and he takes takes people to the most beautiful places in Scotland walking holidays, cycling holidays, holidays and I went on a beginners kayaking course. And I love the fact you can go into very shallow water and it’s beautifully clear up there and explore just you really feel part of it because you feel so close to the to the water and you can get up close to the cliffs and see all the wildlife is excellent.
David Ralph [5:34]
Are you somebody that likes to get away? Well, obviously, you know, we’re well into your career and your sort of passions in the business world. But are you somebody that likes to put the wellies on and go and just take the dogs for a walk over this or pen lines and stuff and just be be free and windswept
Jane Barrett [5:52]
I Yeah, I do. I really love it. And that was part of the reason of moving out of London was to just get out there a bit more and we’re just about to get a VW converted van should we should get it in February March so we’re hoping to use that to explore a bit more we rented one this summer and it was great. It gives you a real sense of freedom and bolts a transporter. Yeah, well I’m again Yeah, having it converted into like camper van. Like Scooby Doo van. Yeah, very much thing. And we just got a new dog as well. Little cocker spaniel. I had a Labrador for 14 years a chocolate Labrador. He sadly died last year. So just about got over it to get another dog. So that gets me out a lot. I think it’s great to get some headspace. I mean, actually, the dog is why I set up my own company. Because I was living in London and I just really wanted a dog. I’ve grown up with dogs. And I remember seeing a dog on the tube and just nearly crying because I just just wanted to strike him. I just so wanted a dog. But and it was great having a dog but a bit of a challenge in London sometimes he used to eat people sandwiches, he used to jump up in the park and eat people’s sandwiches and got to picnic in London has like multiple techniques, he always be trying to steal stuff I’d have to give people money to so they could buy another sandwich. You know, he kebabs on the floor and things so but yeah, and he I was working in London quite a lot of the time you’re commuting in from East Village. We lived in East Village at the time. And he had a London taxi come and pick him up this great little company, I think it was called Bao meow. And they used to go around and walk all the dogs, people who were competing right into the centre of London, so used to hop in this cabin, you’d see all the tails at the back. And he’d, you know, head off for that with them for the day. Occasionally, I’d get a call saying, Can you come and get your dog he’s in our nursery, and he’s eating biscuits, all the kids are giving him he like sit in the middle of all these children. And they’d all be giving him biscuits. So he was a bit of a greedy Labrador,
David Ralph [8:00]
because that is really brilliant. And that takes this conversation in a totally different area to what I was expecting. But I know that so many of the listeners feel that a new idea has already been done. But they you know, they, it’s so hard to find a new aspect of business that they can make rewarding and financially viable. And the fact that you’re saying that there’s a taxi company, picking up dogs and taking them on day trips, it sounds quite honestly, Jane, like you’ve been drinking just before you’ve been recording. But that person’s come up with that idea. And they’ve run with it. And they found their niche, and they’re doing great things. And it says a lot, doesn’t it but you really can create a life that is fulfilling, and, and wonderful in so many ways. And it doesn’t have to be normal.
Jane Barrett [8:47]
And I think you don’t realise that do that there’s so many different things that you can do. I mean, actually, the person who set that company up, she was an actress before that. Also, we and I’m sure in your background as well, in training development, you’ve come across actors and actresses who have gone into the corporate world. And she’s massively successful and incredibly popular with the students, you know, she teaches them how to speak and to have impact. And she’s crazy busy. So So
David Ralph [9:17]
what is it about then sort of the entrepreneurial spirit, you see it all the time. And while you’re sort of entrepreneurial, you’re also seeing the the career minded individuals and driving them forward in their career pursue your career farm, but his entrepreneurial spirit? Is it just the willingness to take a risk? Is it creative minds? Where do you see the angle for for being entrepreneurial?
Jane Barrett [9:44]
Um, I think it’s, it’s this drive to do something for yourself. I think often it’s a frustration of the, the way things are done in in corporates and the lack of flexibility, I’m really being able to use your top skills. And I think that’s why a lot of people decided to do their own thing. And I think it’s very different from being a micro entrepreneur to being a grown up entrepreneur. And I would call myself more of a micro entrepreneur, really. Now I’m not growing a massive company, I don’t want to grow a big company, and that there has been friction. Sometimes in my life, during my kind of journey over the last 15 years of doing my own thing when I’ve actually realised, no, this is what I want to do. It’s funny, I interviewed a entrepreneur last night who has got funding, he’s got offices, he’s employing people. I think that’s quite different from a lot of kind of micro entrepreneurs who are doing stuff online doing outsourcing stuff, more of a micro entrepreneur, more of a lifestyle, I suppose. So I think there are different types of entrepreneurs. Definitely. And, you know, it’s, it’s knowing what what direction you want to take, I think earlier on in mind, kind of doing my own thing career. I didn’t really know what kind of direction I wanted to take. And I’ve worked that out now. And I’m happy with that. I last the last couple of years, I rented an office, which was really useful to see, just I’ve always wanted to do that to see what it was like. And it was great. But actually realised that I decided like you I brought my office to the back of the garden. Again, I wasn’t there. I was in the dining room and I lived in London, then I had an office in the back of the garden when I moved to Yorkshire. And I’ve come back and built a bigger office. And it’s great to be able to be back here and to have a dog I wasn’t couldn’t have had a dog in the office that I was at.
David Ralph [11:47]
So do you think your sort of lifestyle Can you will and I do hate the fact that we stick new on the end of anything, but it kind of works, I suppose. So if I said to right, Jane, by who I am, I am your your magic godmother, and I can create all your wishes come true. You can I have I have a business that is paying you 100 grand a year. And you’ve got 200 people working in a in a office and you are the head of it all. Or I can give you a job that will pay you 50 grand a year. But you’ve got total time freedom, location, freedom, and really you can do anything you want. Which one would you go for?
Jane Barrett [12:26]
Well, the 50,000. And it’s funny, somebody asked me that recently and said, you know, if you if you stayed in recruitment, would you be earning a lot more? And I said, Yeah, absolutely a lot more. But I wouldn’t have the flexibility that I have now. I mean, I’ve got an 11 year old, old son. And I’ve able I’ve been able to be quite flexible with holidays and bringing him up and being around for him. It’s not always perfect. And sometimes I have to work and I feel a bit guilty about that. But overall, I’m fairly happy with how that’s worked out, and that I’ve been around for him. And I think as a mom who wants to do that he wants to be around for decades, it’s quite, I think it is quite hard to find a job that allows you to do that. I was talking to someone last night actually who doesn’t have family that’s local. She does want to be around in the school holidays. it it’s it’s tricky to find a job that gives you that flexibility without setting up something yourself or perhaps going into teaching.
David Ralph [13:29]
I think in my situation, I it’s harder for my wife, with our kids. And van me. I you know, and hopefully she doesn’t listen to this episode because she go, but we’re going to change things. But I think with myself, if I had responsibilities on a business side, they they overtake everything else. And like the kids will, you know, when I’m recording shows, and the kids are indoors, especially during the week, it’s fine. It’s no problem at all. But when it’s school summer holidays, I have to say to them by I’m going to go up there, I’m going to record this, I’ll be back afterwards. And I sort of run back and forth. I think my wife would cancel what she’s got, I kind of just go out the kids can watch Telly for an hour, that’s fine. They won’t do any problem. Did you find the same thing with your partner? Is it sort of more difficult for you to be entrepreneurial? Because you have the so and I’m doing those little things with my fingers? The kind of the mother hat on?
Jane Barrett [14:24]
And has it been more difficult. And I think it has meant that the company hasn’t grown at times, and I haven’t managed to move it forward. And I think sometimes in a business, you need to invest time to be able to create something else. Sometimes it’s been a case of staying relatively static year after year, and not really moving things forward. Is that extra time that you don’t have? I mean, like writing the book was really hard. I mean, I used to get up at five in the morning and write for, you know, an hour and a half to get it done. You know, I had enough time to do the work that I had. But it’s kind of extra things that just wasn’t time for without sacrificing time with my son. So I think yeah, it is it is more challenging. It depends on your partner. I mean, I think that that’s another thing. What your personal situation is when when we moved up to Yorkshire, my husband was retraining as a financial planner. And so yeah, it was he was around a little bit more, but then he was studying a lot of the weekends. So so I was looking after my son.
David Ralph [15:37]
So you say you kind of do buy into the side hustle the fact that you were doing your day to day gig, but then getting up at five o’clock. And to be honest, the thought I don’t mind getting up at five o’clock. That’s no problem at all, I wouldn’t mind getting up four o’clock. But the fact of getting up at five o’clock, I’ve been writing for an hour and a half. I think that must be hard. Your brain must be tired from the night before. It must be easy to do that later on in the evening, I would have all but you have to do
Jane Barrett [16:03]
depends what type of person you are, I kind of switch off after about eight, nine o’clock. I’m just that’s it. I’m done. I’m a morning person, though. So if I can get up and get going, then it’s fine. But I fade as the day going. So just as well as interviews at lunchtime, because by no four o’clock, it’s isn’t a great, really from there Normally, I try not to do too much Brain Stuff. I can do admin type stuff. But yeah, I think it really depends what type of person you are. I mean, I was listening to Pat Flynn talks about his, his setup, and he, he puts his kids to bed, and then he works from you know, 1112 o’clock till two in the morning. I don’t know if he still does this. But he used to have a really unusual pattern. But I think he did a lot of study to be an architect. So he was doing those kind of hours when he was studying for exams. So he’s maybe he’s just used to doing it. And also he’s quite busy young.
David Ralph [17:01]
But is easier, isn’t it to be flexible with your hours, you know, but listeners, the bulk of them are going to work. And they’re listening to these conversations on the way to work. And they’re listening to them on the way home from work. And via van never seen or the majority of them aren’t saying to their bosses. Actually, I don’t really fancy starting at nine o’clock in the morning, I’m not really a morning person I fancy starting at lunchtime. They’re starting at the time that the company dictates. And so for most of us, it’s very difficult in a corporate environment to actually work when our bodies are best suited, but in the entrepreneurial is quite easy.
Jane Barrett [17:38]
Yeah, I think that’s a major benefit. And I think another major benefit is being able to fit it around your life. My my brothers getting married next summer. And now I can go down there for a couple of days beforehand. You know, and I can work from somewhere else. So that said that flexibility is is something I value a lot. I think that’s why a lot of people go into doing their own thing. So they can have that level of flexibility. There’s well there’s less people dictating I mean, there are clients, obviously, you have to do what to get the money. And you have to kind of do what the client wants you to do to a certain extent, especially when you’re starting out. But But generally, I think you have more flexibility.
David Ralph [18:22]
So So how does somebody get going? Because you said two words, in the last sort of 20 minutes, you’ve said a lot of great words, but there was two that sort of really jumped out at me that people are applying to their top skills. Is that a key thing that you do? Is that keeping that everybody should be doing? Should we be finding our top skills? And and how do we do it?
Jane Barrett [18:44]
That’s a great question. And it’s something that in the last probably six years or something I have really explored and developed. I worked with a lot of executive MBA certs, bar University and on that course, I kind of changed my approach, which was initially I suppose I was looking at, you know, what are you not good at? And how can we make you bit better at those things. And then I changed during that time of doing that course. And I really, really pushed in and saw from the research that actually people are more successful when they’re using their top skills, skills, they’re great hands, and managed around those skills that they’re not so good at. I mean, to a certain extent, you have to get to a certain level with skills you’re not good at to do certain jobs. You know, it’s a bit like Tiger Woods, for example, he is great at doing long drives. He’s not so good, apparently must be reasonably good. But he’s not so good at getting out of bunkers. So he practices just enough to get out of a bunker if he gets in one, which is rare, I suppose. But where he really puts the effort is doing the long drives, because he’s great at that, and he wants to get even better. And I thing you know, that’s something that I, I wish, I know we’re coming to this but but it’s something that when you’re you’re younger, especially at school, you’re told that you’re not very good at that. And possibly your your made feel, or you just feel that Well, I’m not very good at that I should be better at that I’m going to really work on all the subjects I’m not so good at. And obviously you have to get to a certain level with those subjects. But ultimately, what are you great at what do you really enjoy doing and you’re good at doing. And that’s something that over the last couple of years I’ve really developed in the work that I’ve done is really helping people find out what are you good at, and what you enjoy doing because that’s like the secret sauce for for people. And there’s a good book by Marcus Buckingham on now discover your strengths. And he’s done a lot of research Gallup research. So it says it’s well validated research on how to explore your strengths and and make the most of those those thoughts. Thanks. I have an online course as well. But it helps people think about what are the what are you good at what are you good at? And what do you enjoy doing to really kind of dig down and find out more about yourself. And that’s something that I see again, and again, people who are successful both in getting kind of corporate roles they really want and also setting up their own businesses, they really know themselves, they know what they’re good at. And they know when they need to get help.
David Ralph [21:26]
I’m a great advocate of Strength Finders, 2.0, which is the Gallup book. And I preach, I used to preach a lot more in the early episodes of the show. After 200 episodes, you don’t want to say the same thing all the time. But it’s still got you know, it’s got a validity really, that we should all be using it. And I’ve realised now but my top five streams play 100% in what I’m doing now, and I don’t think I’ve ever had that before, I’ve always had maybe two or three. And when I took the test kind of went with the first free, but then the fourth and fifth Oh, I’m not too sure. But now bang on and my strengths are and you being an expert in streams, futuristic, which is very me maximise our belief positivity and activator. And they they’ve they’ve come crashing together. And in many ways, what I’m doing now is easier than I’ve ever done before. But I’m getting more reward out of it. Because, as you say, I’ve now hit my top skills. And that’s one of the things that people can do can’t lie, they can take these online tests, and actually find out what their best, but then continue to develop in the same way as Tiger Woods says.
Jane Barrett [22:44]
I mean, you must have been a good trainer,
David Ralph [22:46]
David, I’ll be honest. And no one’s listening to this Jane. No one’s no one’s listening. Yes, I used to pride myself and I still meet people maybe 20 years down the line, who will say, Oh, I’m a member, of course you did. Oh, it was the best thing that I’ve ever done. But I always used to go for a hybrid of entertainment, against content content against entertainment, I always thought that if you can have a room where people come out of it, enjoying it, it’s far more powerful than just going in there and having somebody just talk to them about some PowerPoint that they’ve got up behind them. So I used to do sort of crazy things I used to do Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. And I used to do, you know, game shows and and whatever I could do to sort of keep it rocking and rolling. So there were there was a lot of that element to it. But I don’t think as as the finished article, I think there was a moment as a trainer, but it played. I think there was moments when I was in a pub afterwards chatting to people that my strengths played. But now it all comes together on the mic every single day.
Jane Barrett [23:55]
Perfect. Excellent. So you’re living and breathing that?
David Ralph [23:58]
Yeah, I am. And the it’s, I still have that mental kind of self limiting belief that work should be hard. It should be hard. And yes, doing a show seven days a week, as you’re doing, you’ve got so many things on there. The actual core essence of what you are providing is easy. It’s the doing everything behind the scenes to get to that point. That’s the hard thing. But once you get to that point, and we’re going to talk about that in a moment, we’re career farm, because it is it’s pushing something uphill for a long time, isn’t it? When you get anything going before that ball starts to roll away from you, and you gain momentum? So did did you feel the same way when you started career farm? Was it a passion that you just had to do? Or was there a fear that you was going into the unknown and your top skills wouldn’t play out to what you were trying to do?
Jane Barrett [24:50]
Yeah, I kind of picked the part of the business that I had before to develop. And my business partner took the other part, which was part I was less internal student. So I knew that I wanted to develop it and take it to more people. I think the thing is, as trainers you’ll know is you can only affect those people in the room, which is great. And I do love training. I love running workshops. But there’s only so many people you can affect. And I think taking something online, which is what I wanted to do make thing use technology in a way to reach more people is something you know that I was very focused on.
Yeah, so I can’t remember your,
David Ralph [25:32]
your, your What was your playing to your top skills? When the when you when you look back on it? Was it a leap of faith? Or did you go No, I’ve nailed this. I’m Jane Barrett, this is going to be a huge success.
Jane Barrett [25:46]
I think because I’ve done quite lots of it before, it wasn’t drastically different that I just expanded that side of the business. To be honest with you the doing online products, that was really hard because it wasn’t playing to my strengths. And I sometimes you have to do stuff to move yourself forward. And only I could really write the content for that. But being locked in a room recording a course writing the spec for the course, that was really hard. And it took a long time.
David Ralph [26:16]
Because I hate writing the courses are you write them and it was like pulling teeth. And once I’ve done them a couple of times, I love them. But it was always a bit. And you’ll probably notice when you’ve done enough of them, and you’re writing a course you can see where it’s not going to work, but you can’t see what to do until sometimes you actually doing the course. And it starts to come out of you and you think Oh yes, that’s what I was aiming for. And you can sort of rewrite it as you go along. But the actual writing of the course, is hard work.
Jane Barrett [26:48]
But I had to do it to kind of move move things forward. But I realised that I mean, that’s kind of my core product, because it’s it’s kind of helping people develop career. It’s, there’s one called career maximise, which is kind of our flagship product, but I won’t be doing any more products. I think that’s not my skill. I came across something a couple of years ago called wealth dynamics, if you come across that, tell us about it. Okay. So it was developed by a guy called Richard Hamilton. And he’s a Cambridge grad. And he’s an entrepreneur, he was an entrepreneur, entrepreneur, even in Cambridge. And he set up something called wealth dynamics, which is like Myers Briggs. So it’s a personality profile, but it’s mapped on to the entrepreneur, which is fascinating, because, you know, I’m sure you have trained in Myers Briggs and have used it, but never really found anything that was helpful for entrepreneurs. So he’s got a structure around different types of entrepreneur. So somebody like Oprah Winfrey, is, is a very different entrepreneur to someone like Warren Buffett, who’s a very different type of entrepreneur to somebody like Michael Dell in the way that they’ve made their money. So, Michael, Dell is fantastic at creating processes to improve things. Oprah Winfrey is fantastic at shining the light on other people, and is fantastic at promoting other people. And taking that to her audience. Warren Buffett obviously is is is a man into the detail in his investment, and I’m not trained in wealth dynamics, I’m probably not explaining it particularly well. But but that’s the concept that there are, I think it’s eight different types of entrepreneur. And they they make their money in a different way, because they play to their strengths play to their their flow. And my profile is star, which is one where I shine the light on other people. And that that is very much me, I love finding great people to train my clients, information for other people sharing that information, helping people by giving them information and introducing them to people. So that’s the me doing that really helped think about what my strengths were, and what are the help that I needed to develop career farm. So I work I have a virtual assistant who’s got a what’s called a supporter profile, which is somebody who’s really brilliant at bringing everything together. So she’s fantastic kind of organising the operation side of the business, which is not really my strength, I dropped off quite a bit. And I’m not very detailed at all. So you know, if possible, work with people who have those complementary strengths, and outsource it or if you’re growing company and employ people who have those other other strengths. So that goes back to what we were talking about at the beginning of really knowing yourself and knowing what your your strengths are.
And, and playing to those strengths.
David Ralph [29:55]
Well, let’s play some words that kind of tie up with what we’re talking about. Yes, we’re talking about finding your top skills. But also we’re talking about something extra, The X Factor. This is Jim Carrey,
Jim Carrey [30:06]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [30:34]
So people finding their top skills, but also finding things that you love. Is that the perfect mix?
Jane Barrett [30:42]
Yeah, yeah, that that that overlap between what you’re good at doing and what you love to do. I think a lot of bright people that I meet in my work, because I work with a lot of universities is that they are good at it. But they don’t necessarily love it. It’s kind of the curse of the bright, really, you’re good at it few things. But some of those you don’t particularly like some of them you really love. Yeah, so it’s really trying to drill into but what do you get at and you really love to do?
David Ralph [31:12]
So. So do you sort of buying into words that Jim Carrey was saying there on both sides, one side, he’s talking about his father, taking the safe option, which ultimately didn’t turn out to be safe. And we see that more and more nowadays, when you know that the job for life is a thing of the past. And then on the other side, he’s saying, you know, you can battle on both sides. But go for the thing that you love. Can you can you see this all perspective on both sides.
Jane Barrett [31:38]
And I love that I think that’s a great, great little clip you’ve played? Because I think it’s one is certainly one of the hardest things I’ve done is making that jump. You know, when we talked about the jump from my first company to my second company, it wasn’t that much of a jump really, because I moved out of one company, the bit that I wanted to develop, I think the hardest job was moving out of corporate, the first time to set up my first business. And I really did that in a I took a couple of contracts, I took a long term, I did two days a week for a trade union, interestingly enough to kind of set up a career service for them. So I I kind of morphed into being being having several different clients. And I took some kind of contracts to get going on that. But I think that’s one of the that that was the you know, there was a quite a lot of worry. And am I giving up her corporate career to go down this route where there’s no clear path, I think I think that is hard. But I think it’s, you know, it’s what a lot of people sometimes have to do. And you know, I decided that actually it was probably more secure, to have several different clients and stay in corporate and just just have one and be dependent on them.
David Ralph [32:55]
We call that the dots on the Join Up Dots timeline, that is one of your dots. And yeah, that must have been a big.to leap. And, you know, flap your arms for a while and see if you can fly. But before then you made another.in your life, didn’t you because you were training as a chartered surveyor, before changing direction and retraining as a career coach. Now, for me, that is, in many ways a big adult, because it was at the start of your career, and nobody wants to seem like they’ve made the wrong decision right at the beginning. How did you find that to do that? So go into something which probably I can imagine your parents were very keen on, because it’s you know, it’s got kudos, and Ben saying why Actually, I don’t like this, I think I’m gonna go off and do something else.
Jane Barrett [33:41]
It was very hard. And I think I think you know, the time you bringing me back to that, which is interesting, and it’s a long time ago now. And so I don’t often think about it. But looking back, it was a very hard decision to make, because I actually qualified as a severe and I was starting my post in a job training. So it was quite hard to turn around, say Actually, this isn’t really working, I’ve worked in lots of different areas surveying and none of them really excite me. And, and I, I can’t see myself staying in this. A lot of my friends have stayed in surveying and have been really successful. And so it was kind of I was kind of going to do something completely different. It did help that I met somebody who had trained as a severe as well and had gone into recruitment. So there was somebody there who’d gone the path that I was going to go. And yeah, it was it was it was quite a hard decision to make. I’d read a load of career books America, a lot of American books, like what colour is your parachute and those types of books to try, and they try and work out? What I would be better at doing? Because, you know, you never really think at school? Well, certainly I didn’t. And I remember doing a speech once that the ID and ask people in the room, you know, who had good career advice at school, nobody put their hand up. And it’s just, you know, it’s just the way it is that it’s not given a lot of emphasis in a lot of schools, and you’re just you just kind of fall into something. And sometimes that works. But sometimes it really doesn’t. And it didn’t work for me.
David Ralph [35:16]
Interesting. When you talked about your friends, as Chartered Surveyors are really successful, you can get lost in a kind of knowing away.
Jane Barrett [35:26]
Yeah, they are released as well. Um, yeah, in a way, I envy them because they’ve, they’ve stuck at something and they do enjoy it. I think most of them do enjoys. But there’s always been something in me that I wanted to do something that worked with people and affected people. So I just couldn’t live with staying in something. And a bit like the quote with the Jim Carrey one is, yeah, I could have stayed in surveying, I don’t think I would have been massively successful because I wouldn’t have been that into it. So this, there’s been something driving me to do something else to affect people to help people. At the end of the day surveying is the parts of me I was in is more about, you know, buildings. And, and you know, it’s about buildings, commercial property. And what really excites me is, is helping people develop and then nothing gives me a bigger kick than someone saying, normally, it’s, it’s a year or so after workshop saying, you know, I did actually set up that business, I love it, it’s going really well. And actually, the what you did the workshop you gave helped me make that decision to go down this route, or someone saying, I’ve got this corporate job, it’s I’m so pleased, it’s going to be a great stepping stone for my career. And you’ve helped me get that. So I love that interaction in that feedback. So you know, that that, that drove me even then. So I moved into recruitment, which was a bit of a baptism of fire. I am, it was very much a sales role. I hated
David Ralph [37:03]
it. I was in recruitment, and I’ve been trying to out and I’m gonna find out why you look, you know, you’re gonna not like it either. Because I know, you know, I’m not gonna tell you why I didn’t like it.
Jane Barrett [37:15]
Yeah, well, you know, I was very naive. And I hadn’t. I hadn’t anticipated how much of a sales job it was. And to be honest, the interview was very much, hey, you’re going to earn 100,000, we’ve got a whole great Bank of clients for you to ring. They’re all warm, and they they love us. And so I got there. And then it’s his a at em of the alphabet, and you’re on food and drink, get on the phone. And I’d bring people up and say, Oh, you heard of us. And they’d be like, No, we’ve never heard of, if they even answered the phone. And so it was hard, really hard. And the company I was with did give you quite a lot of training. In a way it was quite exciting because I started to earn fairly good, good money after a while and it was a bit shaky to start with. But yeah, the relentless pressure for numbers and the sales part of it was pretty hideous. The bit I loved was talking to the candidates. And, you know, it was great, when I managed to play someone, they were happy, the client was happy, brilliant. But a lot of it was very much a process. And the company was very successful, because they follow the process. If you send out 200 CDs, I can still remember the metrics, 200 CDs, you’ll get eight interviews, you’ll get two job offers, and you’ll hit your target. And they took graduates like me who had come out of a different profession. And you know, the clients kind of like the fact that they were we’re dealing with people who tried to understand their business a bit and it was successful for them. But yeah, the pressure I used to walk around Chancery lane and the city and lunch break and looking at my watch how long you have to go back now. You know, you know, before I went into work as well, I’d be like, I’ll just leave it till nine, you know, I just really didn’t want to get me in. It was hideous Sunday nights.
David Ralph [39:01]
But so many people are in LA, so many people on a day to day basis, will start their week on Sunday lunchtime when they send it in, Oh, God, I gotta go to work tomorrow. And the thing about this show is it really isn’t. And I emphasise this over and over again, it’s not about becoming entrepreneurial, because I know people who would be rubbish, totally rubbish at being entrepreneurs, it’s just not in them. They can be very good employees. But you can be a happy employee or an unhappy one. And it’s up to you, isn’t it to become a happy one. And I see that more often than not on a Friday night down the pub, people moaning and groaning about their lot. And then you meet up with them six months later, and having the same conversations and moaning and groaning. And now I kind of go, well do something about it, go over to career farm and grow your career, that’s what you want to do. I’ll tell you what, I want an affiliate scheme, I’ve suddenly realised, I’m going to be pushing people to you. But you to find the same thing back. People don’t realise in their career, they got a choice, they had a choice to get the job, they actually applied for it, went for the interview and got it and then spent the first three weeks going around to everyone going it’s going to be brilliant, so much better than the last place I worked at. And then six months to a year down. They’re having the same conversations that they were having in the company before. But it was them. It was their actions that got them into the job in the first place. So it’s live action. So get them out of the job again, Randy now, this is it. You’ve got me going join.
Jane Barrett [40:31]
Yeah, and I think you know, tools like LinkedIn are just fantastic for searching for companies and doing some research on what, what type of company you’re getting into and talking to people who are there already, you know, that tool wasn’t available when I was, you know, when I was in my 20s to be able to, you know, to tap into that network to do your due diligence on companies. I’ve just worked with somebody who’s thinking of moving into a consultancy. And through my network, and her network, she was able to talk to quite a few people who are working for the consultancy. She’s, she’s targeting and she’s got an interview there. How fantastic it an interview is, she’ll be able to say, you know, asked some good questions, because she will have grilled a couple of employees and really found out what it’s like to work there. So hopefully, it’ll all work out. Because I think you know, the culture and the types of people that you’re working with. But they can make or break a job, can’t they? We all know that.
David Ralph [41:27]
Oh, absolutely. It was the reason I left my job. It was one person. It was one manager who was a cow. And she was a dreadful one of these days. One of these Jane days don’t I’ll probably record an episode drunk and actually say this lady’s name. I’m sure she’s been listening to shows she knows who she was. But um, I salute you. Because if it wasn’t for you, Madam, I would still probably be there. So you did me a great favour. Did you find that a lot in in sort of career form as well being sort of serious about it. But a lot of people decide to take control when they’re at their lowest point. And it’s the ones that are kind of in no man’s land, kind of, not too bad, not too good. But just plot on.
Jane Barrett [42:13]
Yeah, I don’t tend to see those people because they, they’ll just keep on carrying on. And they sometimes justify in their own mind that, you know, I’m earning good money, I should just be happy with my lots, you know, so I don’t, I don’t come across them so much. The people who actively seek my help are the people who are at their lowest ebb or know that there’s they want to get more out of life that they they want to make a change, or they want to explore making a change, and start to think about what their options are. So yeah,
David Ralph [42:46]
how do I do that by Jane? Because that’s that moment. And you said that earlier, when you were saying about Yeah, I know exactly this feeling, you kind of know that something’s not right. But you don’t know what you want to do. You can sort of list all the things that you don’t want to do, because you basically done them and you haven’t liked him. But that that next step, when you kind of think I’m in my 30s now, have I left it too late. But God, I can’t bear this for the rest of my life, how do people actually reach out to you and actually give you something to work with?
Jane Barrett [43:18]
Well, we give them exercises to do self reflective exercises to dig into their experience, the good thing about working with people in their 30s is they do have quite a lot of experience. So they can drill into what their experiences in work and outside of work to really try and tap into what they liked to do. And it’s useful to know what you didn’t like as well, because that helps you inform your decision. But I’ve never met anybody who hasn’t, hasn’t been able to come up with some things that they have enjoyed doing, even if a lot of those examples are outside of work, which is sad, because they’ve never used, they’ve never really enjoyed their work at all. Normally, there are parts of somebody’s work that they actually have enjoyed. So it’s, it’s about having a structured way to reflect on what you liked what you didn’t like. And to draw out, what are your I mean, the key things are your skills, your values, your interests, your environment that brings out the best in you know, and colleagues, managers. And then also some idea of some kind of longer term plans as well. And then bringing that all together the outputs of those exercises, to consider the different options that you’re thinking about. So it’s quite a structured way. And then the ones that score the highest, those are the ones you can start to research and then start to, but but research with us with a purpose and with a structure so that you’re speaking to people, but you’re finding out what’s important to you. So it might be that you’re talking to someone to try and find out what skills do you really need to be good at that. Tell me about what your work life balances. So tell me about what you’re the salary range that you’re you’re earning? And those are the kind of questions that can make help you make a decision. Is this something I want to pursue?
David Ralph [45:11]
So are you looking for the mid skills, if we’re saying that the top skills are the ones that you naturally do, you’re looking at the mid skills, but you can Bain develop that will push the top skills even further up.
Jane Barrett [45:25]
I’m looking at the top skills that they’ve found that they’ve got from their experience to date. And it could be that they start to research a job that needs them to develop some other skills. So then they can look into to that and do some potentially some training or get some experience to work out. Is this the right route for me? I mean, there’s a an Indiana Professor called her Menier I, Barbara and she’s written a book about in an ideal world that you would you test different types of careers, you do lots of different internships to find out what works and what doesn’t work. And yes, I agree that that in a perfect world, that’s great. Somebody who I’ve kept in touch with who was a client, and she, she’s just done an internship. And she’s found out that actually, she doesn’t really want to be an entrepreneur anymore, which is really, really valuable for many different reasons. And so that has helped her that little bit of experience has helped her decide, actually, that’s not really for me, but I’ve had other clients who’ve got some experience, and then decided Actually, yes, this is exactly what I want to do. I mean, the MBAs I work with they normally have a project where they can kind of test out their next career step by doing some work in that field to work out is this the right route? I think that can be it can be more tricky when you’re working full time to be able to get some experience in a different area.
David Ralph [46:49]
But but you can go, can you
Jane Barrett [46:50]
you can can really want to do it. And you’re really motivated, you can do it, you can take holiday, you can do some voluntary work in that area, there are ways to get some extra. It’s funny, I was talking to this guy in the states who had set up a company called vocation vacation. So you he sold basically holidays where you went to try out a job. So it might be setting up a b&b or working in a chocolate shop, pour. And that’s
David Ralph [47:21]
brilliant in it, that’s
Jane Barrett [47:24]
a really good idea. It, he has more fastcompany into something different because the the market kind of fell out of that, that that area because people just weren’t prepared to spend the money to go on those kind of holidays. What you know, when the when the crash happened? So I always thought that was a brilliant idea to be able to do that.
David Ralph [47:47]
I’m going to sign up to see if I could become a podcaster. What do you reckon? I could,
Jane Barrett [47:51]
you know, I think that I think it would be good before you invest all the time in it, to get people to see what it’s really like because you do a lot of time and money in doing these things. And I’m always one for trying new things. And it’s difficult to know whether that’s going to be right for you, or not until you do it. And sometimes, you know, you can invest a lot of time and money and it doesn’t work out. So I think that’d be a great idea.
David Ralph [48:17]
Is it very lucky because I I clearly had a moment when I was listening to a show and I thought I can do this. This is for me. And as soon as that thought came into my head, that’s all I wanted to do. Is it? Is it fluky, is it lucky that I actually had that moment where I suppose joining up my dots, I look back on it, and I can see where everything connected. But it was just that moment in my life, that suddenly everything pulled together. Is that unlikely that that’s going to happen to many people?
Jane Barrett [48:51]
I think, had you done quite a lot of self reflection before Did you did you started to explore different options. No, I just didn’t want one pop.
I think it is quite lucky that you had fallen into something that you you clearly love to do. And, you know, I think opportunity favours the prepared mind, doesn’t it? That’s the the quote and often, you know, it’s it’s being open to that and seeing that it’s a good fit. Because you probably know yourself quite well though, David, because you you’ve been a trainer and you’re you probably have quite self high self awareness that you say you haven’t done a lot of reflection, but I think you probably know yourself quite well. So I think for somebody like you, you probably think actually, that would be perfect for me.
David Ralph [49:41]
I think when you do hit this moment, and this is for all the people out there listening, this isn’t the me and Jane, we’re not important. This is the you guys, when you find that that feeling, but you want more, and you really want to do something that you’re not getting, the only thing that you can do really it started looking around and become aware and spend time maybe it’s two months, three months, maybe it’s six months, whatever, looking at websites and seeing what other people are doing. Because the more aware you become the more you realise that there’s different ways of living a life. And unfortunately for all of us, when we’re in our life, it’s almost like we believe that’s the only way that we can operate. We can’t imagine ourselves doing something else. And what I’ve gained over these 200 plus episodes is but the majority of people have thrown it up in the air landed and then found their footing by didn’t have the answers, but they were willing to give it a go. And they only did that because I realised that other people were doing stuff and vape for bad looks fun. I could do that, that place too much dreams. I could research back and maybe come up with a plan. And you can do that. Is that a famous appraisal? Jane?
Jane Barrett [50:54]
Yeah, I think that’s great. And I think you know that there are so so so many people out there, they’re doing interesting things. And when you start to look, you start to see, gosh, is that is that really possible? I know when I was when I was in surveying, know, when I was in recruitment, I was reading a magazine about coaching, I’d never heard of it before. And I thought, Wow, that sounds that sounds great. And I obviously have a recruitment background, I could be a career coach. And I spoke to a coach and she coached me for a while to help me make that transition out of recruitment. And I thought how fantastic you know, she has a really good work life balance. She does interesting work that’s really affecting people. I think I think this is a good fit. But I had done quite a lot of reflection to make sure that was right. And I’d spoken to a lot of coaches. And I had done a lot of research before I started to invest in the training. So yeah, I mean, it’s amazing. I think the Internet has also opened up so many opportunities for people running online businesses. And getting they’re getting their niche out to more you doing a niche site and and creating a business out of something that they’re interested in the sky entrepreneurs begin to last night, he needed a trek to Silicon Valley. And he said, there’s so many people out there who are working for Cisco, or Microsoft or wherever. And then on the side, they’re developing their own little entrepreneurial side hustle. So, you know, out of the frustration of something. So for example, there was a guy he said he met who was doing an app for which restaurants you can take dogs into because he was just so frustrated that he never knew which restaurant he can take his dog into or not. And I think quite a lot of businesses often start don’t they from people thinking it’s it’s frustration. So I’m going to set up a business to help people and and certainly with me, and going into the career coaching business, I found it was really difficult to work out what to do next, when surveying wasn’t working out for me and then recruit wasn’t quite the right thing. So I kind of fell in in into it, because I saw that there was a problem there. And people needed help.
David Ralph [53:10]
So but I’m just going to play the words of Steve Jobs, which is the theme to the show, after all. But as you look back and you connect your dots, was there a key one that really made Jane Barrett who she is today? And it’s a kind of question I ask every single day because I think is so important.
Jane Barrett [53:33]
I think reading the book, what colour is your parachute was quite a big step for me. I had never even heard of thinking about yourself in that way. So for me, I mean, it’s quite it’s quite a tomb to read as you quite a lot of it. But that that was like a big step. I didn’t realise that there were you could you could potentially do some something else and you could analyse what you’re good at and what you’re interested in. So for me that was that was a massive kind of step.
David Ralph [54:11]
So yeah, just I’m aware again, didn’t you, you, you, you found a different way you were developing your, your personality, your belief, whatever you call it, but unless you actually open that book up, you’re not going to get that by watching jack Bauer, are you in? 24?
Jane Barrett [54:28]
No. And I think you know, sometimes you come across these things because you’re you look for them. I mean, I have I was looking for something else I was trying to find my way. And for me that opened the door into helping myself but also helping other people. I mean, for me career coaching pretty much hits all the all those spots, it uses the skills that I’m good at, I really value helping other people and I’m really interested in it. I’ve got a bookshelf full of biographies of a love listening about people’s careers and injustice. I find it endlessly fascinating. I think I’m just really nosy. You know, I just really enjoy listening and talking to people who do different types of work and then connecting people if that’s possible, or you should speak to send so they’re doing that type of work. It’s, you know, really, yeah, really, I love that.
David Ralph [55:18]
But you’re a nurturer as well, aren’t you?
Jane Barrett [55:21]
Yeah, yeah. I’m up my Myers Briggs type is e and f. j, which is a typical kind of counsellor, career coach profile nurture. Yeah, absolutely.
David Ralph [55:29]
Now I can hear that all the way through. Let’s play the word to somebody that probably wasn’t a nurturer. But he certainly left his mark on the world. And this is the late Steve Jobs. He said these words back in 2005. And even to today, they’ve never been more relevant. This is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [55:46]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [56:21]
Is that the kind of speech that we should continue to play for the guys coming through career farm, the people listening to this, that sort of lost individual somehow. But if I have faith in themselves, as Steve is saying, more often than not, it does come true.
Jane Barrett [56:37]
Yeah, I think so. No, I think you sometimes think that everybody else has got it worked out. But they really haven’t. If you you know listen to people say in the podcasting sphere, people like Pat Flynn and john Dumas, they started it not really knowing where it was going to end up, which I find fascinating and also heartening. So you don’t really know where it’s going. I know when I started, I had no idea that it was going to develop how its developed at all. And opportunities come along, as you develop. I just had a university contact me to ask me to interview one of their alumni and actually pay me to do that now. Right. And I never thought that that would happen from doing a podcast. And that it but it has. So you just never know where it’s going to lead and that it’s sometimes hard to trust that it will work out. And so you need to stay away from the naysayers and people who like you used to stay in your in your comfortable safe job, and you shouldn’t try anything new. Because that’s hard if you’re surrounded by people like that.
David Ralph [57:47]
So you’ve been on a career path, are you where you should be now is Jane Barrett as closely linked to her authentic self as possible?
Jane Barrett [57:58]
I think I’m, I think I’m back at, I think there’s more to do with younger people, I do have this real desire to do something with younger people around the kind of 1516 you start them thinking even then not because they don’t have a lot of experience is quite a difficult age group to work with. But they do know their personality type, their personality type is starting to come out. And I think to be able to help them with that, but also help them think about all the different types of careers there there are. Because I think you know, you know about careers that your parents do, or your parents friends do, or perhaps what’s on TV, but there was so many other out there. So there’s something that I think I want to do in that space. I’m exploring it at the moment, and have been for a while I’ve done a bit of work within schools. But I think it’s probably going to be it’s going to be a bit of a long burn. But it’s something that I’m really interested in developing.
David Ralph [58:55]
And we couldn’t take you back to become a chartered surveyor. That bridge has been burned. And yeah,
Jane Barrett [59:02]
no, I think I think buildings are not not really really my thing. Definitely not.
David Ralph [59:07]
Well, let’s do a bit of time travel. And this is the end of the show when I send you back in time, like a young time traveller to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and have a chat with the young Jane Barrett, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give? Well, we’re gonna find out because I’m going to play the theme tune and when it fades you up, this is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [59:37]
Jane Barrett [59:52]
Okay, Jane, you are 14, and you really shouldn’t have had a bubble perm. That would be my advice to you that pumps don’t look good on you looking at the pictures, looking back, my advice to you would be to trust about what you’re really interested in. And, and you look at what you enjoy doing, and you’re good at, and not just try and improve the things that you actually not particularly good at. Because Honey, you’re never going to be good at detail and spreadsheets and maths. So don’t even feel bad about that. Because actually you can use your strengths and really dial those up and get great at them. and develop those and be open to to new things and potentially take any opportunities. There’ll be opportunities that are open to you take those learn about yourself. And don’t, don’t worry that it won’t work out because it will work out. It’s just really follow the things that make your heart sing, that you’re really interested in. And you will manage to find a way to make money out of it. Because you will that enthusiasm will drive you thought forward to find out how to make money out of it, how to make a living from it. So that would be my main advice to you, Jane is to, to trust that things will work out trust your intuition tap into that. And go with that and develop what you’re you’re great at read those reports from your teachers that said that you do have a sense of humour and that you do like speaking to people and that you do have a lot of empathy. And you’re good at developing other people. And don’t worry about the things that you’re not so good at. Don’t beat yourself up about that.
David Ralph [1:01:53]
I’ve been googling Jane Barrett bubble, perm to see if I could find.
Jane Barrett [1:01:57]
Now you won’t see any of those. I have scrubbed them off internet,
David Ralph [1:02:01]
though. So how can our audience connect with you, Jane,
Jane Barrett [1:02:05]
and they can connect with me through our website, which is the career farm.com. And you can listen to our podcast which is around mission driven entrepreneurs, which is on iTunes, the mission driven entrepreneur. And also my email is Jane doc back at the career farm.com and Twitter is the career farm. We’re also on Facebook,
David Ralph [1:02:27]
we will have all the links on the show notes. Jane, thank you so much for spending time with us today joining those dots. And please come back again when you have more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is actually a best way to build our futures. Thanks very much.
Jane Barrett [1:02:43]
Thank you, David.
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