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Introducing Rikke Hansen
Rikke Hansen is todays guest on the Join UP Dots business coaching podcast interview.
She is a lady who can call herself a true lady of the globe.
Coming originally from Denmark, she grew up in the Scandinavian countryside clambering around the hills and fjords happily, until moving to Paris for three years to live in the capital of romance and culture.
But now she calls the UK home and has been living in London since 1996.
Yep, we have adopted her as one our own.
And she has appeared to flourish whilst living in London, as her career went from strength to strength, as she worked hard on a career in Human Resources for companies such as Morgan Stanley, Citigroup and Shell.
But it is ok to have a career that is on the ascendency , well actually it’s a great thing, but when you have a career that is going well, but you want to do your own thing, then it can feel quite differently.
And our guest knew that her path was going to change
How The Dots Joined Up For Rikke
Rikke Hansen had always wanted to start her own career change consultancy, so in 2005 did just that, and quit her well paid job to go it alone.
She walked away from the consistent monthly salary, and started flexing her hustle muscle on a daily basis.
And now as she says on her business site “I have a knack for quickly connecting with people and drawing them out thereby helping them understand how they can translate their unique personality, skills and interests into a career or business on their terms.
Combining my experience of career coaching over 500 clients, 8 years+ of owning my own business and a background in HR, I can offer you the practical know-how, motivation and confidence to actually make your career change or business idea happen!”
So lets find out how this Scandinavian lady came to leave the glorious Danish countryside, to live in the English Capital?
And does she see a need for more and more assistance to be offered to wannabe entrepreneurs nowadays, than compared to when she started back in 2005?
Well lets find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots, with the one and only Rikke Hansen.
During the episode we discussed such weighty topics with Rikke Hansen such as:
Why she believes that so many people spend more time looking around them for answers than within themselves.
How she feels that she isn’t different, nut more aware of who she should be….and that is a game changer.
How you need to create a crack in your life to allow the passion in. Otherwise it wont stand a chance of finding you.
Why Steve Jobs words are so true, and the world has become even more ziggy-zaggy than ever before.
“Live your life like everything around you is rigged” is a great way to achieve what you want in life.
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Audio Transcription Of Rikke Hansen Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling join up dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK David Ralph
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes. Hello there. Good morning, everybody, and welcome to Episode 243 of join up dots Yes, Christmas is over now, who says thank God for that, but yeah, it’s gone. Now you’re just dealing with the credit card bills and the faded memories of magic board games and a few family arguments. That’s normally how it happens. Now, I don’t think I’m gonna have an argument with today’s lady, but she’s a bit feisty. She’s told me a few things, how she wants this interview to go beforehand. She is a lady who can call us self a true Lady of the globe coming originally from Denmark. She grew up in the Scandinavian countryside, clambering around the hills and fields happily until moving to Paris for for a year to live in the capital of romance and culture. But now she calls the UK the home and has been living in London since Well, 1996. Yep, we’ve adopted her as one of our own. And she has appeared to flourish was living in London as her career went from strength to strength as he worked hard on a career in human resources for companies, such as Morgan Stanley, Citigroup and shell. But is it okay to have a career that is on the ascendancy, well, actually is a great thing. But when you have a career that is going well, but you want to do your own thing, when it can feel quite differently, and our guest knew that her path was going to change. She always wanted to start her own career change consultancy. So in 2005, did just bad and quit her well paid job to go it alone. She walked away from the consistent monthly salary, and started flexing a hustle muscle on a daily basis. And now as she says, on a business side, I have a knack for quickly connecting with people and drawing them out there by helping them understand how they can translate their unique personality, skills and interests into a career or business on their terms, combining my experience of career coaching over 500 clients, eight years plus of owning my own business and a background in HR, I can offer you the practical know how motivation and confidence to actually make your career change or business idea happen. So let’s find out how the Scandinavian lady came to lead the glorious Danish countryside to live in English capital. And does she see a need for more and more assistance to be offered to want to be entrepreneurs nowadays? I can say compared to when she started back in 2005. Well, let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start join up dots Baldwin, the only Ricky Hanson, how are you, Ricky?
Rikke Hansen [2:56]
I’m very well, thank you very much.
David Ralph [2:58]
You are a feisty one. I So as I was saying, you, you, you you put me in my place. It was like being married to a Scandinavian for a moment?
Rikke Hansen [3:07]
Well, I always find funny when people say that, because I wonder whether you would have said that to me if I was a man.
David Ralph [3:12]
Yeah, I would. I would.
Rikke Hansen [3:15]
You would know that I’m okay with it. I think it’s also you know, in the UK, a lot of times people don’t take what they think. And I think that’s a trade I’ve always kept with me, even though I’ve been here 20 years. So that’s why I’m having to do that.
David Ralph [3:27]
Are you? Yeah, we’re gonna cut to the chase. And then we can come back to the join up dots timeline. But is that kind of a trait of people in Scandinavia? Well, they very much in your face, do they say things or they use sort of running around with body hats on hiding their feelings as well as their skin.
Rikke Hansen [3:44]
And to be honest, I was born in Denmark, and there is a difference between the Scandinavian countries, they tend to call the Danes and Latinos of the North. So we’re very outspoken, and I had this morning, there’s new cafe that’s open up in Brixton here where I live, and I ordered them all and the muffins still have the paper on the muffin. So I went up and said, I’m sorry, this muffin has got paper on it. And she was like, Oh, my God, nobody ever told me. So that meant that all the English people in there probably believed in the muffin with the paper on it. Like I said, so it’s like, that’s what we do I come from, you know, I don’t remember business as well as I would like you to know. So I do think we tend to be a little bit more straightforward. We, we don’t beat around the bush, I think there is something to be said for that, especially if you are a business owner, you would rather know. But I also think there’s a way of softening. It’s after 20 years in the UK, I have learned to soften my approach a little bit more.
David Ralph [4:31]
Did you think that we have into soft I can imagine, as you say 20 years of people eating muffin paper, saying a word. Did you do you think we we we hide our feelings too much in the United Kingdom?
Rikke Hansen [4:47]
To be honest, you know, everybody’s got their own way. I think a lot of times people use that culture as an excuse for not being themselves. And I think that could be an issue. But yeah, I do think a lot of times I get told I’m quite direct from enough. It’s also one of the reasons why my clients work with me, because they save a lot of time, because I don’t beat around the bush, they get the truth pretty much straight away rather than over six months of, you know, relationships, if that makes sense.
David Ralph [5:12]
No, it makes perfect sense. And I can imagine, but you connect very quickly with people, I actually, within seconds both to myself, Oh, I wish I wasn’t recording, we could just have a chat. And you have that kind of I don’t know that kind of personality trait. But you can connect practically and emotionally with people quite easily I imagine.
Rikke Hansen [5:34]
I think it’s also because I’ve done so many things in my life, I lived in different countries, I traveled a lot. And I am insanely curious about people. So the best thing for me is getting to know people really drawing out and then what’s unique about them. And that’s just a gift I’ve always had. So I connect with people at the bus stop, you know, at the checkout with my clients. And I think, you know, life is so short. And so many people, they try to look for everything outside of themselves, they don’t realized is how much they hold the power themselves. And that’s one of the things I love showing people. So the quick I can connect the quick, I also help people connect with themselves. If that makes sense.
David Ralph [6:09]
It makes total sense. So let’s talk go back. Because obviously, at the moment you are, as I like to say, rocking and rolling, you’re doing your thing, you’re enjoying it and you’re being very authentic to yourself, which is perfect. And is what we love on join up dots but you were on a path, which was like a path that so many of us do. You are building a career, you’re working up the corporate ladder. But you got to a point that you decided, hey, it’s not for me, I want to do my own thing. When you sort of go back in time when you started it. Was it your thing? Or was it something that you did? Because you just thought it was cute? Or there was going to be money in it. It was going to be a career but people would respect?
Rikke Hansen [6:51]
It’s? That’s a very good question. And I think I never, I was never the kind of person who just wanted to put up with the things that seemed should be available. But that’s something I learned over time. So when I came over here, and I went to King’s College, I was looking at HR, PR, advertising business, and I sort of went into HR, because it’s where you have the strongest, most immediate connection with people. And the most exposure to the right, right it the widest variety of people within the organization. So that was very much what I was attracted to. And I wanted to spend, let’s say five or six years to get enough credibility in order to do my own thing. So that was my main reasons for going in there. And I’m very much of a Type A. So what I was attracted to were the kind of environments where there were more people like me, I had a couple of false starts, where I went in, there was very much introverts very English centric. And what I found is as soon as I went to places like Morgan Stanley, it was a lot more people like myself. So I think it’s a mixture of doing something that drew and natural qualities, but also with the right kind of people around me.
David Ralph [7:55]
So So where were the false starts, then let’s find out.
Rikke Hansen [8:00]
Am I straight out of uni? I mean, I started working for Morgan Stanley pretty quickly. But I had a couple of full starts going into recruitment consultancies rather than HR. And as anyone who’s dealt with recruitment zones know, there’s a very big difference between HR and recruitment consultancy, because recruitment consultancy is basically sales. And it was mainly just made up of very, very similar people, one of the first companies I joined, they were all classic upper class English, people who went to the same schools, we all knew each other was just had the same kind of path and couldn’t really relate to me in the sense that I’ve already done 20 crazy things before the age of 25. So that was more men are realizing they were not my peeps. And I might be a little bit intimidating. So wasn’t the right kind of environment for me. You know, one of the things I love about the About Me page from you is that you you noticed you were different, or the odd one out very early on. And I think that’s one of the feelings always had as well, which was why I knew I needed to do my own thing.
David Ralph [8:54]
Well, we’re going to touch on that. But I am fascinated about the recruitment consultant because I I was a recruitment console for about six months, and I hated it. It’s horrible. It is so horrible. And I kind of thought that I was going to go in as like a missionary, helping people find their places and their dream jobs. And it became very evident. But that was out the window, it was just a round peg round hole. And if it was a round peg in a square hole, you were going to change the square to make it slightly round. And you’re going to ram that person into it. It was it was just a sales role. And I can see how you didn’t like that, because I didn’t like it and how some people do it and I flourish. I just can’t grasp it at all. Because it’s it’s a sales, I’m going to be harsh here. It sounds about models. That’s what I would call it.
Rikke Hansen [9:44]
Yeah, it’s really interesting. I was giving a talk a couple of weeks ago. And because I have a big mouth and I speak very fast as like I was talking about how career changes really want to avoid recruitment consultants because it is square peg square hole, they’re not there to help you change career. And now a little bit like sleazy car sales people and I had one person in the audience who was like really unhappy with that.
David Ralph [10:06]
Its true though, its true,
Rikke Hansen [10:08]
and you can’t blame them. Because they’re not they don’t work for the candidate, they are paid by the company to find this kind of wish list from a Catholic Christmas that he has written in terms of a job description. You know, so anybody listening out there who want to change careers is like recruitment consultants are the last people you want to speak to, because they’re all about upholding the status quo, not about helping you change.
David Ralph [10:31]
Oh, I tell you, well, I wish we weren’t recording. Now I could do it in many different directions. Hold back, I’m going to hold back from this. But what I do want to go in is the fact that as you sort of referenced about my about page, you have felt different since you as a small child in in what way because you’re spot on with me, I always didn’t feel like I was part of something I was born I was slightly on the edge. And for many years, that kind of vibe made me clash with the HR departments wherever I worked. I I’ve always had problems with HR because they want to do things straight down the line. And I’m kind of guy I come on, no one’s watching. Let’s just do it anyway, let’s see what happens. So how did you feel different when you as a small child?
Rikke Hansen [11:20]
Do you know what my take on? It is not necessarily that we are different. But we are a lot more aware of who we are?
David Ralph [11:27]
Oh, that’s good.
Rikke Hansen [11:29]
Yeah, and I think you, but I really think that’s what it comes down to, you know, people like us who connect easily with other people. It’s because we easily connect with ourselves. That doesn’t mean we listen to ourselves. But it’s easy for us to connect with that sort of inner rebel, the inner visionary. And that just means that we’re aware of that, there are a lot more options that are seemingly available out there. So a lot of times, I grew up in a very small town in Denmark, very small town. And I was always put a nice person very short, I still am very short. One of the I don’t even know what I’ll be 160.
David Ralph [12:05]
In pantomime, would you get a job?
Rikke Hansen [12:08]
No, no, no, I’m not that sure. That that was there was one and also, I was one of those people. I was very cricket school. And a lot of it I didn’t like I’m very practical and very pragmatic. So a lot of this stuff. If I couldn’t see an immediate application, then I got very bored. I knew that I wanted to go to a big city, I knew that I want to do something different. You know, when my mom handed me the career A to Z, I was like, well, surely it doesn’t work like that. They can’t just be these 500 options. And that’s it. So it was always about questioning being attracted to people who are different. So in my class, if anybody was being bullied or anybody was different, are becoming their friends, I’ve always been sort of, you know, underdog kind of supporter, because at the end of the day, they tend to be the ones who change the world who do the crazy businesses, you know, all the big popular ones end up ending up being depressed and you know, once they get party to 20, because they don’t have you know, their kids to school, this boy them. So I think it’s this awareness of, there’s so much more on there. And I know who I am. And I know I can do so much more. So I think it’s more to do with us.
David Ralph [13:08]
So the last place that you should have ended up in is Hey, char surely
Rikke Hansen [13:12]
I think it’s more when you think about it nowadays, you’ve got information at your fingertips. You know, whether it’s internet Entrepreneur Magazine, there’s so many more role models for what could be. Whereas back then there wasn’t actually a lot of information available about the different kinds of careers. So you would more think about what kind of skills you could use what might be the best approximation as to what you wanted to do. And for me, I love psychology. I love connecting with people, I’ve always been very fascinated about career choice. And really, then if you default, then that does very much point to a Korean HR. Unless you work with someone like me, you can tell you that that’s not necessarily the best choice for that. But back then or generation, that’s the way you would have worked through to what the career choice would be.
David Ralph [13:58]
I think you’ve you’ve hit that now on the head there. And now we have got the option of just delving into the the Internet, and just seeing, you know, in the nicest way, people that seem totally mad, doing mad stuff and earning a living from it. And I, I sort of gravitate towards those kind of people, the kind of people that you look at and you go, How the hell did that happen, but it kind of looks fun, and then love it? Well, when I started working at five, it was sending your CV to your resume, working in a bank go up to the city that was there. And then you kind of did that until you can bear it anymore. So people have got that ability to just look around and become aware and see what is on offer out there. And quite often, you can’t believe that people are making money selling food or hair, but it’s it’s out there.
Rikke Hansen [14:52]
Yeah, I mean, I always say to clients, it’s like you don’t know what you don’t know. And one of the biggest issues for people today is that especially people in the city or in corporate jobs, they just think that their choices like law of finance, or accountancy or nursing, and it’s like they don’t realize they’re people making a living on YouTube. There are people making a living off. I mean, I have a friend for example, who had pains young, she charges 25 credit skein, you need about seven, eight skating for a sweater, she applied for a big No, but with a nigga. You know, it’s like people make money from the craziest thing nowadays. And I think one of the biggest drivers I have in terms of my Why am I doing what I’m doing is because I want to leave this world having helped create new role models. That’s one of my biggest purposes. It’s like what I love is designing and creating new careers, new businesses, my clients, because we need so many more role models where we can look and think Holy crap, can you really make a living doing that, where it’s a matter of both doing something you’re really good at, but also doing something that is different. And something that is just so you, that’s really where we want to get to
David Ralph [15:59]
thank you, you find that thing that is so you when you basically gone through the education system, and you’ve come out the other side, you got to get a job, you got to get a job. So you send off your soul resumes and CBS blanket approach to everywhere. And then unfortunately for you if it was like me, somebody says yes, where have you and when you go into a row. And that’s pretty much how I did it. When I left college, I said to my mom, because I was still at that age, I was living at home, I’m going to take six months off and she went No, you know, and she wrote my rent, but she wrote my letters and sent them off. And I basically got forced to go for free interviews. And I got two of them. I don’t know how that happened. And I ended up working in a bank. So for people now how do they find that thing that they are naturally good at, when for their whole life, it’s kind of when you grow up, you’ve got to take responsibility, you’ve got to be serious, you can’t have your cake and eat it.
Rikke Hansen [16:55]
To be honest, I really don’t like the word find. Because it sort of indicates something outside of yourself. That also means a lot of people therefore as an excuse, because I can’t find it. But just going back to the demographic, you’re talking about people who are going into work, absolutely hating it commuting back, going to the pub, where the heck is passion going to insert into your life, you know, you’ve got to create a crack in your life, to let the passion come in to discover the passion. And I think what I always say to people is it’s not about finding your passion and knowing your passion, it’s about knowing what the real ingredients are, that are going to make you happy. So rather than going to try to find that perfect job or find that perfect business, it’s really about picking something designing something, identifying something. And if you look at your life, like before this call, we were talking about how you actually at the age of 10 used to go around recording, you head into your bank manager with other people, it’s like, look at your life and look at the rip threads. Look at the themes. When come up, when have you been unapologetically your self felt really good about it be really good at something, we all have clues in our lives as to what we’re really, really good at. So review what’s really make you feel amazing so far in your life, whether that’s been inside and outside your career, and really nail down those ingredients. Because then it’s a matter of either finding something that’s a close and approximation out there in terms of a job as possible. Or if that doesn’t work, then it’s a matter of Hey, you probably need to create your own thing. Because what I find the reason why so many people get stuck with this whole Find your passion p la vie is that you know what, don’t worry about finding it take full responsibility and create it yourself. Because fact is a lot of the people people are getting really clued up. Now there are a lot of people who you know, for you to 25 years to get out of the corporate world. For me, it took six for Nowadays, people a lot faster, their lot quicker. But what they don’t realize is that stop looking at the classic kind of jobs or businesses already exist, and look at what you uniquely need to create. And don’t worry if you don’t get it right straight away. You find out by test driving by actually starting something.
David Ralph [19:05]
What would the tagline to the show is connecting our past to build our futures. And it’s something that I stumbled across and kind of threw it as a tagline to the show because it sounded good no more than that. And as we’ve been developing the show, we realized that there is consistency to that phrase, where back to your the little wiki round in Denmark running around doing things just because she loved doing them. There’s probably synergy to how you are now you’ve connected your past and you built your future, is that great way that people should look? Should they sort of reflect on the things that they love doing when money didn’t come into it?
Rikke Hansen [19:46]
To be honest, that’s one of the ways I mean, there are a variety of things you can do. But what tends to happen is when people think career change is it’s almost like they walk into this unknown land, there’s a blank sheet of paper, it’s like, and then No wonder they can’t find their passion. It’s like, look at what you already have. And that’s the review of your career and your life. So far to nail down those ingredients. When you did something really well. When you connected with someone, it could be a who or where and a watch. And then start nailing down those ingredients. That’s really where you start. Most people that aren’t really unhappy on your career change, but they don’t take a step back and look at Well, I know I hate this. But what have I actually enjoyed? Because then you find foundational blocks, and you don’t just go in totally empty handed into the career change process.
David Ralph [20:32]
And did you do that? Or is that something that you are aware of? Now when you made the leap and you decided, right, HR is really, really boring? And we all know that’s going to be true? But did you decide I can’t bear this anymore? I’m going to do this and I had all the answers, or was it something that you’ve made up and little by little you kind of become more experienced over those six years. So you can say those things as truth. But when you started, you didn’t really know.
Rikke Hansen [20:58]
What I would say is, I’ve always been a business person, my dad was an entrepreneur. And I’ve always been very pragmatic. So what I probably did slightly different. And not everybody does this, I look as well as looking at what I wanted to do and what I couldn’t get within the corporate world. I also look at what the need was that nobody was feeling. So what I found is that ever since I left uni, I’ve been reading books about career choice about entrepreneurship, about doing something really unique in the world. But I always found that a lot of them had a lot of, you know, loose ends. And there is a real need for for service that would help people actually pull all the red threads together actually make sense of the dots, and provide more of an advisory service rather than just, you know, asking people more questions or taking them further down the rabbit hole. And I knew that what I was really good at what what my clients within HR told me, it was really, you know, for the people who are overwhelmed, it was about giving them in clarity. For the people who didn’t have enough ideas, it was about giving them more ideas. So that’s how I started but I knew and I would say this everybody as well, the first version of your business is not going to last very long. Because you will very clearly realize that you just thought that was what you can get. And then you realize you can create even more.
David Ralph [22:15]
So I was pretty good. That is I’m going to tell you the story off the bat. But that’s good.
Rikke Hansen [22:21]
Because I always say that, you know, people the biggest block, a lot of times that make people stay stuck in jobs they hate it’s because I people often call me like, you know, I really want to create change, but I want to make sure I get it right. It’s like whoa, no pressure. It’s like there is no such thing as getting it right. You know, your life, your career, your business is an eternal beta test. So go with the best version you have, give it a shot and then work from there. That’s really what it’s all about.
David Ralph [22:51]
The first version of my career lasted three days, well, actually two and a half days, that the website design that was the website design. Yeah. And it was it was too seven half days. And I suddenly realize this is Sunday, I might as well be in HR. That’s how boring it was. I just couldn’t do it. And so I desperately looked around for something because I thought, Oh my God, I’ve quit this job that was paying me money to do something that I think I’m going to hate more than the one before. And it was really weird. And yeah, maybe you see this, but I quite like building websites as a hobby. But when I suddenly had to do it as a business, I couldn’t bear it. It took away the farm. Is that something that people struggle with as well when they think oh, yeah, I love doing this. This is great fun. But actually doing it 12 hours a day is a different ballgame.
Rikke Hansen [23:38]
Yeah, I have a sort of a litmus test that I apply. And it’s called the job description test. Because a lot of times people’s hobby is better kept as such. So for example, classic example, if someone is going like, Oh, you know, I really love alternative therapies, I love massage and all that stuff, I’m going to retrain become a massage therapist. Now before I go into this, I want to say for some people that smile, you know Reiki therapist, the massage therapist, but however, for a lot of people being stuck in a dark room, massaging people sweets for eight hours a day without talking because the person is so relaxed, that passed out, maybe you want to reconsider whether that’s really the job description you want.
David Ralph [24:14]
That’s it isn’t a that’s not a job.
Rikke Hansen [24:18]
But it might work for some right. But what I would always say to people is look at the idea of something you like the idea of something, versus the cold, hard reality of what your job description would be as in what will you be doing all day. That’s a very important thing to do. But what I would say what I find interesting about you is that if you hadn’t actually made that jump with that web design idea, then maybe you would still be back in the corporate world. So even if it wasn’t necessarily the best choice, at least it got you out of there as a portal into what you really wanted to do. Because another time is realizing what you don’t want give you the fastest clues to what you really want.
David Ralph [24:57]
Yeah, I think we’ve me it was a easy parachute, nothing more than that I could jump and I could survive the fall. But I like that I look at it now. And I think to myself, isn’t that all what we all want with this leap of faith, but I don’t really like it. We call it the slider favor. I’m a great believer that if you work on a side hustle if you if you get something going van at least you can step away and knowing that your bills are paid all this business about just jumping and working it up as you climb it out there. I don’t like at all. So it was it was an easy parachute. But sometimes the parachute doesn’t sort of it saves your life. But it doesn’t create a life. Cool, that’s treatable. Ricky, I’ve become a tweet monster that was brilliant.
Rikke Hansen [25:44]
But you know, people, as much as people love, I hate Twitter, there is something to be said for saying things very concretely and very briefly, because that is what people remember. But I also think I totally agree with you about the side hustle, because people have this idea do that, you know, you wake up tomorrow, and then you make that career change. It’s like no, a career change is a series of small steps that you can start taking now. And it’s about test driving and feeling on your own body. So to say in your own experience, whether you actually going to enjoy doing these kind of things. So what you want to isolate as soon as possible is one of the kind of things that you can start test driving, can you start test driving things with guinea pigs with clients? What can you know, if you want to do writing? Do you actually write if you want to advise people? Do you actually advice? You know, most people, the only career change that ever happened for them is in their head, because all they’re doing is thinking and researching. They’re not getting out there from behind their computer and actually engaging with things on the side.
David Ralph [26:41]
I got really with immediate people test driving guinea pigs is
Rikke Hansen [26:46]
like riding them like a horse. Yeah, that’d be amazing,
David Ralph [26:48]
wouldn’t it? Oh, these people with like little furry things underneath them racing down the M25.
Rikke Hansen [26:54]
Yeah, I always say to people, you know, I often use the relationship analogy, you know, you’re not going to well, Popham, a couple of exceptions that I know of, you’re not going to move in with people straight away, you know, you wouldn’t date them a little bit to find out what’s going on, you know, and then at some, you know, and then at some stage, you’re like, you know, what, I do think you’re the one that’s give it a go. And it’s the same thing with with careers with your own business, you know, build up, test drive, see what works, build up more, build up more, start making money, start making money, and then make the jump, you know, a little bit like relationships. At some stage, you like you, you feel comfortable enough to say I love you, you feel comfortable enough to move in. Heck, you might even get married, you know, it’s very, very similar when it comes to the career change process. And it’s really, therefore a matter of trusting the process, just like relationship is a matter of trusting another person.
David Ralph [27:42]
But let’s play some words that really sort of emphasize this moment in people’s life, when they know that there’s something more, they may not have the answers, but they just know they’ve got to do something. This is jack Harry,
Jim Carrey [27:54]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made it conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [28:21]
But you sound like you’re doing what you love. But did you know that you were going to love it when you started?
Rikke Hansen [28:30]
To be honest, um, I’ve always been very, very much knowing what I wanted. That didn’t always mean that when I got it, I enjoyed it. But I knew enough about myself and what I was good at in order to give it a shot, because I knew that at least most of it about enjoy. So what I’ve done is do that. And then when I cut came across things that I didn’t enjoy, then I would edit. So most people wait until they’re 100% sure they’re going to love this all the time, that time will never come because you and I both do what we love. It doesn’t mean that hundred percent of the time we’re like, in full bliss, you know, but it but it means that we feel fully alive and fully engaged. And I really think that’s what I want people to focus on. When do you feel most engaged? When do you feel fully enzyme? Because the thing about doing what you love, it almost sounds like people are trying to reach for perfection. Does that make sense? It does. Yeah. So so I like this idea about when it’s about getting that freedom being really engaged. But also also think about who you’re helping, because a lot of times my issue with Oh, I’m going to follow my passion to do what I love. Well, there’s also a whole world out there that needs you. And if you are struggling with what you really know about what you should be doing is I look at who might need you the most. So I know for a fact there are millions of people out there who hate their jobs, but they they really don’t know what they want to do or they’re too overwhelmed by too many options. They need me and engaging with them, helping them helping them join the dots, design careers and businesses for them. That’s that’s what does it for me. So a lot of people they get so upset about Oh, you know what, what is it that I like and look at who you can help. You also need to get out of your own head. So it doesn’t become this kind of ego driven. I’m going to do my thing. It’s you know, you cut out there who really need your help with the gifts that you have that often is what really switches it for people.
David Ralph [30:16]
So do you buy into those words that Jim Carrey said that you might as well take a chance and doing what you love?
Rikke Hansen [30:22]
Oh, yeah, I mean, it’s really interesting, because a lot of my clients are corporate professionals, obviously, they have a certain salary. And they’re talking a lot about risk. And I always, like I always say to them, what is really the biggest risk, the biggest risk is not that you potentially have to go down and salary for a little while. Or you might have to, you know, risk losing your job, or maybe risk making mistakes. The biggest risk is that if you stay, you’re going to risk waste your life away in a job you don’t enjoy. And I could not imagine a bigger risk to have in your life.
David Ralph [30:54]
I got told about this book The other day, and I keep on repeating it on the show, because I must read this book sounds dreadful as well. And this guy went around talking to everyone on their deathbed. And I don’t think I know that one. Yeah. And he asked him, you know, what’s your biggest regret? And it was a living somebody else’s life? Which, Oh, that must be dreadful. It’s got to be a dreadful book. I can’t see how that’s inspiring anyway, but I think I’m going to read it just to see, you know, why people felt that way? Because obviously, it’s a backstory, isn’t it? And are you living somebody else’s life? Because you just assume that that’s what you should do? You’re not actually asking the question. I get that a lot where people say to me, in my coaching, I do a bit of coaching on the side. And I go to me. Yeah, but my my wife wouldn’t like it. If you asked her? No, I just know she would like it. Well, how do you know, you know, and all my mom and dad, that’s a big one. Oh, no, my mom and dad would be really upset if I quit. Your mom and dad don’t want you to be happy. How do you know this? Well, I just know, I just know, did you find the same thing as well?
Rikke Hansen [31:58]
It’s really interesting, because I think get that a lot. You know what, whenever people are always trying to find out what kind of mindsets they might have inherited. You know, so whether it’s the parents and you’re lucky to have a job and work supposed to be hard, but what’s really interesting, and the same thing with the wife being worried about them quitting and but what’s really interesting is like, when you actually ask them to have these conversations, that there are so dreading, you know that the wife might go, but I just wanted to happy or the dad might go, you know, don’t worry, if you want to be a lawyer, I just want you to be happy. So a lot of times the biggest blockers that we see to doing what we really want to do is a totally self made, and it’s based on assumptions that we just inherited, but that we never actually challenged or asked whether they were though, right? So yeah, I see that a lot.
David Ralph [32:42]
Did you have times when you start chipping away at somebody and the walls not coming down, it’s not coming down, and then suddenly, there is a mindset shift, and they start smashing the wall to pieces themselves. So it’s almost like they built this this prison, and they suddenly realize I can get out and so they start reading be taking action. Do you do find that?
Rikke Hansen [33:02]
Well, yeah, I love that. I mean, that’s, that’s the key as to why we do the kind of advice that we why we give the kind of advice we do, because what what a lot of times happened when you engage with a professional within this field is that we can hold up a mirror. So it’s about asking the right question, giving them the right direction, but also holding up a mirror to a certain extent. And once people, they see what their real mindset is versus what the reality is. And they have that insight as to Oh my god, the only thing that is standing in my way is myself. And people that will realize that the most power I will ever have is the power that I give to myself that I already have. That is just mind blowing. But it only happens at this stage when people are willing to get out of victim mode. And this is something that people don’t talk about a lot. But really the only thing that is standing in the way of you not doing what you want to do or try to engage with, what you would want to do is really yourself because you’re just trying to protect yourself from the kind of pain you think you’ll encounter. So yeah, I mean, once people get that, and they realize they’re 100% in charge of their life. And there’s a book by James alto called choose yourself. And I love that book, because it’s all about what are you waiting for, you know, it’s up to you to choose yourself to pick yourself and to start doing these things. It’s almost like we’re waiting for somebody to give us permission is I give that permission to yourself. and off you go. It’s madness,
David Ralph [34:22]
isn’t it. And it is madness. That is a global madness. You speak to people in America, and they do the same thing. You speak to people in Africa, we all spend our lives assuming that other people are going to think bad of us, or we are going to fail or it’s gonna be harder. And if if anything, you know, look at me, I feel this vein didn’t have a clue what I was doing. I’m 250 episodes into it, I still don’t know. But it’s, it’s going somewhere. And when it gets to a point where things are going, then people start believing in it. And then once you get that belief coming back at you, that is when things you’re starting swimming in other people’s books leave, and you realize that you are you bit stupid, really, you were just holding yourself back for whatever reason.
Rikke Hansen [35:06]
But you also what I love about what you do is you’re the classic example of somebody who realized they had a natural gift. So you are amazing at having conversations with people join them out putting the pieces together. So you chose something that you didn’t know was a strengths. And you probably know what you’re good at. You didn’t you weren’t too much of a perfectionist, so you weren’t too worried about your weaknesses. And most people do it the other way around, they try so hard to improve their weaknesses and work on their weaknesses, that their strengths sort of fall to the wayside. So the reason why you’ve done so well is that you went straight in for you knew you’re good at and you kept doing and you kept doing it. And I really think there is something to be said for really refining a skill. Because that’s when you really have something that’s unique. And and that is a true gift to the world. And that’s something that I think people can learn from you stop thinking too much as a perfectionist, just look at what you’re really good at, stop doing it. Find the right people. And that’s where you grow a business.
David Ralph [35:59]
Yeah. So I what I like is the fact that when you start, you kind of think on day one, you’re going to sit in front of your computer, you’re going to press this button, and the world is going to be looking in your direction. But no one’s looking in your direction, like yourself. Yeah. And you start working at things and working and things. And your website, my website has just been revamped. The first one was just I threw it together to have a place to host the shows. And as I said in the show, I could have built a better one. But I couldn’t be bothered. I wasn’t I was in the wrong mindset. So I did the basic that would get me going. And then I was talking to a chap and he said to me said is you did you design a website yourself bed? And I went, yeah. And he went, Oh, and I went What does that all mean, anyway? Oh, no, no, nothing. I said, Do you think it’s bit crappy? went? Yeah, I do. And once he said that, I looked at the info, yes, it is, I need to do some work on that. So I go the thumb, which was a mindset where I could have done it myself, I thought I can’t be bothered with this, just gonna get somebody else to do it. So I paid for a chap and he did it. And he’s done a great job. So what I’m trying to do and what I’m trying to get out to people there, but if you are looking at the big picture and thinking to yourself, yeah, I’d love to do this. But I don’t know this, I don’t know that. There’s so many people out there that do know that. And they will be willing to do it for you, leaving you to do the thing that you love in the middle, it’s gonna be hard at the beginning. But as you proceed, proceed, proceed. More and more of the things that you don’t like doing, you can farm off to people, and they’re happy because that that is what they love doing. And so you’re actually giving them a little bit of love. What you think about that, Ricky?
Rikke Hansen [37:37]
No, I love it. I think the entrepreneurs who really struggle are the ones who are way too self sufficient. You know, they think they can do it all themselves. And it’s like, it doesn’t work that way. It’s like you want to find people who can do the stuff you’re not good at you want to outsource it, you want to ask for help. Because that means you can just focus on working within your genius zone where you’re going to grow your business so much faster. And I think especially for people who are new to entrepreneurship, know, I can’t afford to do this, I can’t afford to hire help with my website or with my social media, whatever it might be, that’s not your strength. It’s like, that’s actually an investment, it’s not a cost. Because the more you can pay for people take care of what’s not your genius, the faster your business will grow, and the more you can give to the world. So stop being so bloody self sufficient, and start looking at where you need help. If you are in business, you need help. I mean, that was one of my biggest thing that my mom told me, one of the first things I ever said was like, I can do it myself, I’ve always been fiercely independent. And I’ve learned the hard way to outsource things to ask for help. And whenever I do that, and remember, I increasingly do that my businesses grow so much faster. So that’s really just do that from the very beginning, you get where you can delegate where you can ask for help. That is one of the fastest way to grow your business. There’s nothing embarrassing about asking for help, or about letting people know what you’re not good at. So you can get help. Actually, that’s one of the best ways to connect with people. And also that’s how we get other people in employment. it you know, it’s like one of the I believe the best way to do charity is to be an entrepreneur and to support entrepreneurs, because we about self sufficiency about giving work to everybody else. And that’s really why it’s it’s a win win scenario for everybody. When you work like
David Ralph [39:12]
that. That was an amazing thing that you said as one of your first things, wasn’t it, but just leave me alone. I can do it myself. He said it says yeah, it says more than I’m being polite now, but it does. It says it says a lot. My daughter who’s nine now, she the very first word she said and it’s absolutely true. We always expect them to say mommy daddy or whatever. But she wouldn’t talk man. She doesn’t shut up to be honest. But when she was smoke, she wouldn’t say anything. And there’s an advert over here, which you probably know, Ricky but Americans and other people probably don’t know it, by company called cillit bang. Did you know The company?
Rikke Hansen [39:48]
Let me know what that word is,
David Ralph [39:49]
okay. is acidic bank is like a cleaner is like a detergent that you can spray on everything. And it cleans. And their tagline is pain, and the dirt is gone. And my dog didn’t say a word. And that was the first word she ever said, bang, and the dirty is gone. That’s weird, isn’t it?
Rikke Hansen [40:07]
Do you think you might end up starting an advertising company?
David Ralph [40:09]
I don’t know what she’s gonna do. But certainly she likes to open her mouth. She She never never stops. But yeah, it’s that I think that was a gift that you had really, I think it says a lot about you. But it shows that you were self sufficient, and you were somebody that wasn’t looking for assistance, you would get off your backside and do it.
Rikke Hansen [40:27]
And I think there is something to be said for that as long as it’s balanced with the ability to learn how to ask for help. Because I do think that the people that I know who are really successful business people, they are very self directed. And I think the people I’ve worked with who’ve changed careers who either changed into different jobs and started their own company. They are self directed people, you know, they know that if it’s up to you know, if it’s to be it’s up to me, you know, so they get their butt in gear and they do what it takes. And I think it doesn’t mean that if you’re not naturally that kind of person, you can’t become it, you can if you take forward responsibility and look at what you can do. And I think a lot of that comes down to really getting clear about your priorities, where most people go wrong is that they don’t live their priorities. So but really, this whole thing about self sufficient is important, but it’s equally important as a know when you need help.
David Ralph [41:16]
Something that you said, but really sort of struck me was the genius. So is that what everybody should aim for? Is that more likely a route of success ban as we say, find your passion. And I know you don’t like to use the word fine. So your passion,
Rikke Hansen [41:35]
to be honest, it’s I don’t like boxes in general, the genius zone, it’s more like it feels I mean, you know that when you are in the genius so like you are right now, you know you’re doing this podcast, it’s feels amazing. And it’s a gift to the world at the same time, you know, then, the more time each one of us can spend in our genius on the faster we change the world. You know, the fastest way to change the world is to love what you do because you give other people permission to do the same. The reason why one of the big reasons why the world is disenchanted Miss is there are so many people who hate their jobs, they hate what they do. So the more of us who can find what we’re really good at and spend as much time as possible doing it, the faster the world’s gonna be a better place, right?
David Ralph [42:14]
Well, absolutely. And that’s, that’s what I want. That’s what you want, I want every single person to wake up every morning, four hours earlier than they used to, because they love doing what they’re going to be doing. And I you hit the nail on the head earlier. But as I do these shows, now I love it, I can’t get enough of them. There’s an awful lot of administration and research behind the scenes that I could take or leave really doesn’t sort of light me up. But I know we’ve got to do it to get to this point. And when when you find that thing, you are sort of willing to push through the rubbish stuff more than I used to at corporate land when I used to be a trainer. And they used to ask me to build training courses event present. And I used to love the presenting bit. But actually building the course was like pulling teeth are used to drive me mental. But I knew that I couldn’t get to the level of being able to present as I used to, without really knowing the subject inside out. By doing that, it would have been nice to have a little chip that I could just put into my brain, all the information was Bang, bang, I could go Did you find that as well with people who are really successful? are based doing that they’re willing to push through the rubbish? Or have they got to the point that really it’s fun time all the time?
Rikke Hansen [43:31]
Oh, no, let’s be realistic. And I think this is really important for the listeners as well. It’s like nobody’s ever 100%. And that’s so an all of the time. Because it’s a matter of building your business, to the level where you have a system and a business that allow you to outsource those things or take on people to help you do certain things. So obviously, initially, you will spend less time in your genius zone, because you’re building a business, you’re getting things up and running, what it’s really all about is spending get as much time as possible doing your thing, it doesn’t mean you’re going to be able to do it hundred percent of the time because there’s not a perfect world. And and also you change the world change. So your genius and will change slightly as well. But it’s a matter of always thinking how much time and are wasting on stuff that I could be outsourcing so I could do more my genius stuff. And I think that’s where a lot of people get it wrong, because they pick most people, I mean, you must have seen this as well, especially within our industry, a lot of people are originally going to do something, a service or product and they end up doing like 70% of the time spending on marketing and social media. And then they realize, you know, that wasn’t really what they wanted to do. You know, so it’s a matter of looking at what can I outsource. So I can spend more time that genius zone and even when you outsource, and you get help, it doesn’t mean that hundred percent of the time, you’re going to be a genius. So this is a matter of approximation. So you know what’s really good, what you enjoy doing approximate is spend as much time as you can on it. But you’re never going to get to the stage maybe pop and one or two people like maybe somebody like Tony Robbins when they do you spend hundred percent of that time. But then again, that’s also what makes us human. You know, if we didn’t have contrast, you wouldn’t know how to move your business forward. Because, you know, there’s no point in sounding really smart, because we’re not done, you’re not done. I’m not done. We’re different people now with different people, you know, tomorrow, five years from now. So just because you’re an entrepreneur, just because you have your own business doesn’t mean you’re done. You need to keep listening into what you need to be doing next, what you need to be doing that you aren’t doing what you need to be doing more off, we all works in progress.
David Ralph [45:29]
Last night, I gave myself the first few hours off for Well, I can’t remember the last time I had some time. And I watched Tom Cruise in jack Reacher on Netflix. And it was about 10 o’clock at night. And I said to her Why should we watch a film, she went as a bit late and i’ll come on, it’s gonna be midnight, we can sort of watch this. And it It made me realize I was the first bit of Telly that I have watched for, I can’t even remember the last time I sat down and watched any any TV at all. And it was the first time that I actually watch something. And I was in the story. I enjoyed it. It was a good film. Because normally My mind is thinking about what I should be doing. And even this morning, I was making a cup of tea and a wife said what you thinking about and when you don’t really want to know, because you’re not really interested anyway, are you and she went? Well hope it’s not work. And she goes down when it’s work? Because that’s the thing that’s still a little bit inspiring me at the moment. Did you have that as well? Is your sort of course the passion you’ve got for your thing? Does it take over where when he was in Hey, Charlie, in the chance of a glass of wine after work with the gills was you know, always on the radar. But now you think to yourself? No, I don’t want to do that. Because I’ve got this to do I want to push this off.
Rikke Hansen [46:38]
Well, I think what I noticed that people who really do what they’re good at who sort of found their groove is that their learners and their knowledge seekers. And we are always looking for more inspiration, we’re always looking to learn. So unlike you, I’m very much driven by finding inspiration, by learning something new by getting more inspiration. So sometimes I do turn into a bit of a hermit. So whereas a lot of people might be down the pub, I’m quite happy being, you know, doing an online course or reading. So yeah, I think that that’s probably a trait that a lot of us share. We’re just, we’re just so thirsty for knowledge, because we know that there are still things we need to learn in order to improve ourselves. Because, you know, your business will only become as good as you become. You know, some people, they a lot of people that isn’t working in the business and the business and the business and they wonder how come nothing shifts. But if you don’t keep working on yourself as a person, you’re never going to be able to truly grow your business because you need to grow as a person too. And I think that’s why a lot of us spend quite a lot of time seeking that inspiration seeking to learn seeking knowledge to become more interesting to become more better people. Eva jumped back, I
David Ralph [47:45]
should have asked this question earlier, but my mind went off on a different direction. But when you was in your corporate land, and you was in HR, and you’re lying on your desk with a bit of drivel coming out of your mouth, which is the normal state of affairs. I’m going to get so many hate letters from HR for this episode. But there’s
Rikke Hansen [48:04]
not necessarily anything wrong with HR, let’s just make that clear.
David Ralph [48:09]
They’re killjoys, they’re killjoys, they stop any bit of fun in an office. Release. Oh, maybe that he was the word for. But anyway, when you was there, and you went, right, what I’m going to do, I’m going to quit this day people go to Ricky, Ricky, you know, you get a lovely Christmas bonus. This year, our next year, we’re going to be doing this we’ve got more clients coming in. Were you surrounded by the the anchors that stopped so many people from from going for their dream where they actually throw it out to the world what they want to do.
Rikke Hansen [48:42]
As you can probably imagine, people who work with me know that when I want to do something, there’s probably no point in telling me not to do it. So no, I think people knew I made up my mind. So there was an also I waited until I had my bonus, and then I jumped which is always a good thing to do back then back then this was a 2000 in five, we still got good bonuses is a very different story nowadays. But what I would say is i’d also prepared so what I’ve done in actually, the last year before I jumped, I’d spend a lot of time actually doing my thing with people within the organization. So rather than actually having people stay and retain them, which is what a good HR person should do. Some of them ended up leaving and doing what they really wanted to do. So I kind of needed to get out before people find out what the real reason for that was, because that’s not what he was supposed to do, as opposed to retain people. So a lot of people weren’t surprised, because they already got a taste of what I really wanted to do. But yes, my family is my mom, especially. And some of the people I did work with is like, are you crazy, you’re walking away from this job you’re really good at you’re making it amazing money, you can get whatever job you want. So yes, but to be honest, once you I always say make the decision first. And then they How will what will come up. And I think once you make that decision, then everything going to fold the deaf ears. I think that the majority of the people who have an issue at that stage is because they haven’t really deep down committed to what they really want to do.
David Ralph [50:08]
You know, it’s amazing, Ricky, I don’t say this very often. But if I was a woman, I think I would be you. There’s so many. There’s so many things. That’s a good thing, believe me, I’d make a very lovely looking women, I’m sure I would. But I used to do induction courses. And it was my job to have been for three days to sort of go through data protection and insurance background and all these kind of stuff. And I had a course once and I had 13 people turn up 15 people turn up. And I was right in the Bible, like I’m doing now really, come on guys, there’s more to life than this, you know, you can do better than this. This is this is a stepping stone to greatness, you know, do stuff do stuff. And I had these people for the first morning and only two of them came back. I lost 13. And I I met one in a pub about three weeks later. And I said to them, you know, what happened? What happened? Where did you go? And they said, you pumped us up so much that we realized that we could do great things. And so they will quit on their first morning. So I can see when you’re saying that you’re in a corporate gig and you’re already flexing your talents in their direction. and losing back is the time when you realize Hang on. I’ve got something here but is a business and I need to be able to move back in the direction r1.
Rikke Hansen [51:29]
Yeah. And it’s also interesting that once when you do your thing, your ideal clients will recognize you, you know, so easily. But if you actually call all these people and say, Hey, I’m starting this thing on the side of advisory businesses, not they would probably have become your first clients. You know, and I think a lot of people, they always try to edit themselves. But that just makes marketing really difficult. Whereas I mean, back then you obviously in corporate, but that could potentially already have been your first side gig right?
David Ralph [51:55]
Now? Well, he could have been I’ve always had this switch, especially in pubs and stuff that I can switch motivational switch. And I can be sitting with people and within like 1520 minutes, I can see them have a mind full of possibilities. And it is quite enjoyable to do that. And I never used to know that I could do it is only since I’ve been doing this job. And I now literally switch that switch before I record. And sometimes I do it really big. And sometimes I do it not as big, probably go more because you’re like it. So in this show is like kindred spirits, where some of the guests that they’re not quite that, that Come on, get off there and do that. But yeah, I used to do it in pubs all the time. And people used to sort of say to me, yeah, baby, all right, if I had you with us every single day, you know, I know I could do that. Like they needed some kind of magic cloak around them to do it. But I don’t, it’s in them. It’s in them. all I was doing was getting them to start looking into themselves and realizing actually what they wanted and how much they wanted it and how much they would go for it.
Rikke Hansen [52:58]
But that’s also really what it comes to down to. I often say this when I work with people, it’s like I can literally give you this thing on a silver platter. But if nothing in your life is going to change to make that a priority, then what’s the point? And I think a lot of times, and you probably noticed this as well, there are a lot of people who are in a very comfortable, very well paid pain. And that means that Yeah, something has to shift in the life in order for them to actually change because it comfortable. well paid pain can go on for many years. And a lot of people that’s what so they have to find something, there’s a reason why they should change things around their life to get what they really want. And that’s really when it comes down to priorities and about them looking at what how can I actually make time for this? How can I make it a priority? Because if not, again, it just stays in your head. And I also think you know, one of the great things about when when you and I work with people with people, and we show them what’s possible, you also give them confidence, because sometimes you can you and I can see what people cannot see. But in doing that for them, we give them confidence. And I think confidence is a real big issue for so many people, because they really don’t believe in themselves. But that’s a combination of actually knowing what they have. And a lot of people don’t realize that they already have so many ingredients now they can work with. It’s not like they’re a total empty, empty vessels going into this next thing is like No, they’re not a blank sheet of paper. They’re really amazing person we know it’s the gifts that is need to realize what those gifts are so they can get out and get.
David Ralph [54:23]
I mean, it’s weird, isn’t it? Because you can see it when when I can talk to people. And instantly I can see what I should be doing. And it’s like, it’s like you’ve got different eyeballs somehow. And you kind of what you should be doing is doing this and they go, Yeah, well, you really nailed it. And I’ve been thinking about that for months. And I kind of think what is obvious, I can just see it, it’s fair. It’s almost like a big arrow pointing down saying what you should be doing, but you’re not looking up and seeing that.
Rikke Hansen [54:49]
There’s always the biggest people might get that as and that’s what you should be doing. But then unless they start engaging and test driving it not on guinea pigs, but just test driving it, they’re not going to start to own it for themselves. So it’s just an intellectual concept. And I think I always say to people is like you don’t actually even engage for the career change process before you actually start test driving things, test driving assumptions, before you start writing before you start working with clients before you actually do that course. So you know, it needs to go from being old in the mind to actually be an action that you start taking, even if it’s a small one that you build up on the side.
David Ralph [55:22]
Come on guys, let’s let’s just chant action action. That would work. If you started doing that in your office, people would start looking around and instantly you’ve created a movement. That’s the way to do it. So what I want to do now, Ricky, I want to play the theme of the show. And what we’ve been doing is connecting your dots and connecting the dots of other people as well. And this is the words that Steve Jobs said back in 2005, almost 10 years ago now. And it was as important now as when he first said it and ironically, it’s it’s the same year, but you decided to quit and go on on your own. So this Steve Jobs,
Steve Jobs [56:01]
of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [56:36]
So still is true now is when he said it 10 years ago.
Rikke Hansen [56:40]
Yeah. And also Let’s face it, the world has become a lot more zigzag. Right. You know, the world is a lot more complicated. I mean, you and I have seen that last 10 years. It’s dislike things are not that straightforward. So if you insist on your career path or your business path, being straightforward is like forget about it’s not going to happen. So yes, it really is a matter of it’s still a matter of joining the dots, it’s a matter of sync sagging and being comfortable with that the people who are most competitive and are doing best in the Korean business world are the ones who are most comfortable with uncertainty.
David Ralph [57:14]
I’d like that the world’s become more zigzag because that actually excites me. He’s not something I look at and think that’s a bad thing. I actually think this is brilliant. I don’t know what’s gonna happen tomorrow or next month or and yeah. And that gets me going.
Rikke Hansen [57:27]
Do you know what it’s one of the most, one of the things that I do as part of my business is I spend several hours every week just looking at the new kind of businesses and new kind of Korea’s that have been invented by crazy people somewhere. And it’s just, it makes me so excited, because it’s just like there has never been more opportunities for creating a new business and new Korea and new job than that now. And so people like all over the world is so scary. There’s so much uncertainty, yes. But there’s also never been so much creativity, so much opportunity. And it’s just a matter of allowing yourself to embrace the uncertainty. Look at when you foundational building blocks are and then combine that with the uncertainty and you got magic. So yeah, it is a scary place to live. But I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else.
David Ralph [58:08]
So So what’s the key words to his speech? Is it hope is it trust? Is it karma, but what do you gain from it on a personal level?
Rikke Hansen [58:17]
I think trust is incredibly important. And a lot of people don’t trust themselves. I think that’s a big issue. And especially for people who are used to the whole trusting the paycheck, to actually trust that you have the ability to create your own paycheck. So I think trusting that you can do something for me. And having seen having worked with 500 clients is like it’s a biggest one, you have to find that self choice. Because if not, nothing is going to change. So I think it’s about believing in the process, believing that it’s up to you. I’m not a religious person. So I wouldn’t necessarily go that way. But I do believe that we live in a universe that if you do your bit, the universe will conspire to you. You know, there’s a quote by by Rumi that says, live as if everything is rigged in your favor, you know, and I think so it’s a matter of trusting yourself, but also believing that the world is worked in your favor, because whether that’s true or not, if that’s what you believe, that’s what you’ll see. That’s what you’ll create. You know, a lot of times, even when people don’t have self belief, one of the ways to grow self belief is almost like fake it till you make it. So if you believe that the world loves you that there are amazing opportunities out there that you create them and you behave that way. Then when you see that being the reality, you will create yourself belief.
David Ralph [59:39]
And do you believe that everyone out there all the listeners, the guys in the cubicles, on the trains, on the buses, on the planes, or wherever they’re listening? Do you think that they can have the kick ass life that they want?
Rikke Hansen [59:51]
If they want to, but it’s a choice. And don’t wait for the Prince and the white horse, I see this a lot. You know, people like hope they’re going to find the passion of hope that job is going to come out, you know, Prince in the white horse, you can wait a minute on time, if you really want it and you’re willing to engage with the process, get out from behind the computer, stop researching, and actually starting meeting people talking about what you want to do exploring what you want to do nail down what you got going for you, then absolutely yes, you can. But you have to make the conscious choice to wanted and take 100% responsibility. And for everybody listening, I cannot wait to see what you create what you pay for your design. Because if you are here, the world needs you. And please get you awesome deal. That’s all.
David Ralph [1:00:34]
And if it’s not a prince on a white horse, what about prints on the guinea pig would that work?
Rikke Hansen [1:00:39]
But it’s Don’t you find that a lot of people it’s like, that’s really how they live their lives. They hope for that kind of Waiting for Godot, they hope for that kind of magic moment is somehow arrived. It doesn’t work that way. And
David Ralph [1:00:51]
no, I’m looking back at my own life. I think that the biggest movements that I’ve ever had, have totally been down to me. And it’s a show, really, when I put so much effort into other people’s lives, that I didn’t gain anything back in them, it was when I decided enough is enough, I’m going to do this. And once you grasp that fact, it’s something that is quite controllable, you do one thing, and then you do another and you do another and you can zigzag your way to success.
Rikke Hansen [1:01:19]
Yeah, no, and it’s just one of the things I always recommend people do as soon as they can is that create something or do something that you can get paid for. So let’s say it’s an idea in your head, it’s a service, you can offer anything like that the first time somebody pays you for your gift. And you know that from an idea in your head for the gift that you have somebody paid you for that as an independent entrepreneur, once you have that feeling of getting paid for something that wasn’t a paycheck, it’s like, the world breaks open. And you just realize you can create whatever you want, and you can get paid for it. It’s phenomenal. Even if it’s just a small thing, get paid for something as soon as you can, because you can never ever beat that feeling. I still remember the first time I made money giving career change advice. And I actually bought like, I bought something for it that I still have to this day. Because it’s a symbol for just how much power you have to create your own life to create your own money, you do not have to rely on anybody else like an employer to do that.
David Ralph [1:02:18]
Perfect. Well, this is the end of the show Ricky and this is the Sermon on the mic. And this is when I send you back in time, like a young time traveler to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young Ricky, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give? Well, we’re going to find out, because I’m going to play the theme tune. And when it fades, you’re up, this is the Sermon on the mic.
Rikke Hansen [1:03:04]
Hi, Ricky, you’re about to go into the world of work, and to choose what you want to spend the next many years doing. And if there is one thing I really want you to know, is there is no such thing as getting it right. And I know that you’re such a big perfectionist, that that’s going to be one of your biggest issues, you’re going to insist on things being perfect being just so and the world is not like that. And you didn’t come here to be perfect. You just came here to be unapologetically yourself, and do what you uniquely are good at. So test drive, experiments, everything in life, whether that’s your business, whether that’s your career, it’s an internal beta test. The only regret you’ll ever have in life, is the things you didn’t do that you came here to do in the sense of what you were really, really good at. And don’t worry, there is no such thing is the perfect career. This no such thing as a perfect business. What you really want to focus on the time you’ve got here on Earth, is really to nail down and identify your key ingredients. So what is it that’s so unique about you? What are your gifts? You know, are you good at advising people? Are you good at helping people make sense of things, help them overcome overwhelm, give them loads of ideas, you know, just look at what is it that people keep mentioning that you’re bloody good at and connect the dots that way. So rather than looking for a job, a business, look at you unique ingredients, you will find them as you go along the path of your life, whether that’s via jobs via businesses, via the people, or things that you do in your spare time. That’s really what comes from inside of you. That is always going to be there. Some of them, you will just know if you tap into it. And other ones you’ll find along the way. You are in such a hurry. I still am. But really take your time. But also don’t delay. Don’t overthink get straight in there. Also look at the external world and look at who needs you. You know, this is not just about yourself. What you want to do for a living is also about how you can help other people. So look at who are the people who you need your help the most. Who’s your tribe, if you always felt like that one out. Chances are people who also felt like the one out there the people you need to help? What are the gifts you have that you can help them with? You are passionate about helping people create careers and businesses in their terms. So that’s just what you need to focus on. Don’t worry about what your parents might think. Don’t worry about what society might think. And more importantly, don’t worry if you can’t find what you want. There’s a reason why you cannot find what you want. It’s because you have to create it for yourself. Stop wasting so much time trying to get it by to find that might think know you’re here, look at what can you create. And it’s the same thing for everyone else If you cannot find stuff, because you need to create it for yourself decided picketed test drive it built as you go or find a close as much as you can, and then start there. And don’t isolate yourself. We’re all born with a family of a certain kind. But one of the biggest gifts you can give to yourself this knife is to look for the curated family. Look for people who are just like you look for people who are further ahead, look for people you can help and curate a new family of people who can help you raise yourself up high. Especially if you’re somebody who spends a lot of time helping other people. Make sure you get help for yourself. And make sure you spend as much time as you can with people who are a lot further ahead than yourself. So you keep developing. And everything is going to be right because you’re in charge. So go do it.
David Ralph [1:06:46]
Ricky, how can our audience connect with you?
Rikke Hansen [1:06:49]
They can do that. Why websites and Korea on your terms calm. Or I love Twitter. So I’m Korea concierge on Twitter. I also have a YouTube channel. But if you google Korea on your terms, that’s the best way to get in touch with me. And I work one on one with people I give talks, I do loads of good stuff. So that’s the way they can find me.
David Ralph [1:07:13]
Thank you so much for spending time with us today joining those dots. And please come back again when you have more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Ricky Hansen. Thank you so much.
Rikke Hansen [1:07:28]
Thank you It was a rite of Biscayne thank you
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