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Introducing Julie Latz
Todays guest has been on a path for over 45 years, which so many people across the world will be able to resonate with.
She was a binge eater.
Finding huge comfort and them ultimate distress in her relationship with food.
For 45 years, she went through the yo-yo dieting/binge cycle time after time.
Her weight would balloon 40 or 50 pounds, and then she would diet to try recapture her body, depriving herself of all the foods she enjoyed.
She was trapped and didn’t know how to escape from the lifestyle that was anything but a happy one.
She suffered the shame, guilt and embarrassment of feeling out of control that every binge eater feels, wondering what was wrong with her and what others must think of her as they watched her gain the weight back over and over.
How The Dots Joined Up For Julie
But now as the creator of the “magic zone” system where she teaches people how to eat what they want in moderation, never feeling deprived and never feeling compelled to binge, she hasn’t binged once.
And with her online platform Peaceful Eater and her best selling book Stop Binge Eating and Start Living Again she seems to have found her place in life.
So was she always a lady that even a child had a relationship with food that wasn’t conducive to peace of mind and healthy living?
And does she find that people struggle more and more with eating disorders as the media increase their focus on beauty and gorgeous celebrities?
Well lets find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Julie Latz.
During the episode we discussed such weighty topics with Julie Latz such as:
How there are three distinct groups of eaters she encounters: The Nibbler, The Emotional, and The Binge Eater
How she would often creep away from her family at baseball matches to try to find something to nibble on without getting caught.
Why it is clear that she has to scale her business to be able to move away from it every once in awhile, and to help more people than presently.
How she feels that her issues have been a gift in her life, and she wouldn’t be able to do what she is doing now without them.
How she is blessed to feel no guilt in her life, as whatever she did at the time was what she felt was right at the time. Forget and move on.
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When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes, hello, everybody, and welcome to Episode 244 of Join Up Dots. Yes, of course, if you’re listening to this live, it’s the 28th of December so you’re probably still trying to get the last of the turkey away from the fridge and eating the chocolate. It’s really issued in a boat but you did because it’s Christmas. And if you are having a problem with food when Today’s episode is really for you because today’s guest has been on a path for over 45 years which so many people across the world will be able to resonate with She was a binge eater finding huge comfort and Ben ultimate distress in her relationship with food. But 45 years she went through the yo yo dieting a binge Cycle Time after time, her weight would balloon 40 or 50 pounds. And then she would diet to try to recapture her body, depriving herself of all the foods she enjoyed. She was trapped and didn’t know how to escape from the lifestyle that was anything but a happy one. She suffered the shame, guilt and embarrassment of feeling out of control. But every binge eater feels wondering what was wrong with her and what others must think of her as they watched her gain the weight back over and over and over again. But now is the creator of the magic zone system where she teaches people how to eat what they want in moderation, never feeling deprived and never feeling compelled to binge. She hasn’t been used once and with our online platform and online addiction and a best selling book stop binge eating and start living again. She seemed to have found her place in life. So what she always a lady that you As a child had a relationship with food that wasn’t conducive to peace of mind and healthy living, and does she find that people struggle more and more with eating disorders as the media increase their focus on beauty? And of course gorgeous celebrities. Well, let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start Join Up Dots with the one and only Judy laughs How are you, Julie?
Julie Latz [2:20]
Hi, good morning. Thank you so much for having me on the show and giving me this exciting opportunity.
David Ralph [2:26]
It’s lovely to have you here, Judy. It’s it’s just after Christmas, and I’m stopped out on Turkey can is this going to be the episode that sort of changes me and makes me look for the ham instead? Today?
Julie Latz [2:41]
You’re so funny. You know, it probably won’t change you because likely you’re not a binge eater. You know, every everybody over eats from time to time. And a lot of people are overweight and they overeat, but it doesn’t mean that they’re binge eater. So I hate to say it, it’s probably not going to change you in that way.
David Ralph [3:05]
What about if I have a whole pack of biscuits in one go?
Julie Latz [3:09]
Well, you know what I would still not call you a binge eater would depend on why you’re doing it. I look at overeating as three different kind of categories. seasoning. The first category would really be the nibbler. You know, that person who is mindlessly eating a bag of pretzels while they’re doing the crossword puzzle or watching TV. And they’re just eating it because it’s there and they’re not paying attention to it. But then they get on with their life and it doesn’t really have too much of an effect. And then there’s the emotional leader, and that’s the person who let’s say they got in a fight with their husband or they got fired and, you know, they sit down and they eat six donuts and they go out and eat pizza and you know, they just really screw it up because they feel like they need to reward themselves in some way. So that’s the emotional But when they’re done with that, they to get on with their day and it doesn’t affect them. But then we get to that binge eater. And that’s what we’re talking about today. And that’s the person who, like they feel like they’re having an affair with food. And that food and diet is really their obsession. And they eat whether they’re hungry or not. And they eat in private, it’s really an addiction. It’s a very disordered way of eating. So if you were to just eat, you know, some biscuits and get on with your day, you know, that happens. But it’s not going to happen all day long. And you’re not going to, you know, keep gaining weight and losing weight. There’s certain attributes to a binge eater that we all have, which I kind of went just went through. It’s that, you know, planning a binge. And just to give you an example, I always love to tell this story. I have a husband and three children and we’re Yankee fans, you know, on the baseball team, and I recall a few years ago when I was still in my bingeing mode I, we were at the Yankee game and while everybody there was paying attention to whether we were going to score, you know, tie up the game, I was thinking, like, when can I kind of get out of here and go to the concession stand, and that’s where my head was. And so I said to my husband, I’m going to go to the bathroom, I’ll be right back. And I didn’t go to the bathroom. I went to the concession stand. And I had the pretzel and the hotdog. And I rushed back to my seat. And I thought everything was fine. Even though I felt disgusting. I kind of had my fix. And before I knew it, my husband’s looking over at me and he said, What’s that on your cheek? And it was the mustard. You go, it’s exactly and you know what, that’s the life of a binge eater, this person who really has to it just feels compelled to eat and is afraid of getting caught. So I probably summed it up.
David Ralph [5:54]
So did you know because my my image of baseball games is whistling and Somebody’s throwing hot dogs from from one staircase to you, does that not occur? Do you actually have to go and get it yourself?
Unknown Speaker [6:06]
You do have to go get it yourself.
David Ralph [6:09]
Is that not true? I’ve seen it in films when they whistle and they throw it and the money goes down past five or six people and the hotdog comes flying into your hand.
Julie Latz [6:17]
You know what? That does happen from time to time? Absolutely.
David Ralph [6:20]
That’s what I want. That’s
Julie Latz [6:22]
because I guess I would have had to have my mouth open when that happened. But that’s never happened to me.
David Ralph [6:27]
That’s why that was stuck up in G. So you do live in in the world of kind of food really. I spent a lot of time in America. I’ve spent a lot of time across the world. And certainly from my base in the UK, we don’t seem to have as much food floating around as it then you do in America, especially sort of in New York, where you are I basically you can just walk to a corner shop or whatever. It’s food, food food, is adverts over time. It’s just constantly at you is is it difficult to be able to create a path for yourself Elephants moving you away from that when you are ultimately surrounded everywhere, like nowhere else on Earth, Americans like their food.
Julie Latz [7:08]
That is so true. And you know what you’re talking about in New York City, which is really a half hour away from me and I lived there for many years before I was married. And that is exactly how I felt it was so difficult because you walk by a bakery, and it smells so good. You walk by diners like it’s constantly that you’re being bombarded with food. And so yeah, living there, it was really hard. But even where I live in the suburbs, it takes me two minutes to be able to go anywhere. But you know, honestly, as a binge eater, even if the food wasn’t there, you’re compelled to eat it. I remember being in graduate school in Washington DC, and actually walking for probably two miles in a snowstorm to a 711 because I needed my fix. So it’s not even about just having the food Right there, it is finding it and fetching it and go getting it. And that’s how disordered this kind of thing is.
David Ralph [8:08]
But let’s take you back to sort of how you created your your online platform, peaceful eater, because the theme of this show is basically showing people how to create a path. And so many people are trapped in a lifestyle or relationship, but they can’t see that, that there might be something positive out of an unpleasant situation that they’re in. So you’ve done that you’ve gone through this, this, this problem with food that you’ve had this issue, and you’ve created peaceful eater. How does that come about? Was it just as I always say, an epiphany? Or was it something that you suddenly looked around and you realise that there wasn’t anything out there? How did you do it?
Julie Latz [8:50]
Well, as you mentioned earlier, I suffered with this problem for 45 years and I’m 54 now so it really was for most of my life. And I would Go on diet after diet, lose the weight, gain it back. I finally got to the point a few years ago where I woke up one day. And I was literally petrified to get into bed one more night, feeling the way I had been feeling. Now Believe me over those 45 years, I felt miserable many times. But this particular day, I felt as though there was no way I could get into bed bloated and disgusting and hopeless and helpless, even one more time. And I said to myself, I have to figure this out today.
David Ralph [9:34]
And was that because your husband was next to you? Is that why you felt that way?
Julie Latz [9:39]
Not at all. I just couldn’t take it anymore. He’s always been very supportive of you know, what I go through but he didn’t he actually didn’t really know how serious it was until I came clean. But let me get back to this. Basically, that one day, I said if I want to get into bed, feeling Happy tonight because again, I was just too petrified not to. I said, well then I need to be happy after everything I eat because then by definition, I’ll be happy when I get into bed. And then I thought, well, how the heck are I don’t even know how to be happy after everything I eat because all I know of is dieting or bingeing. I don’t know anything else. So I started to ask myself certain questions during the day and certain actions, I knew I couldn’t be deprived anymore. Anyway, within that first day, I came up with something that literally changed my life forever. And I don’t want to make it sound like this. You know, food addiction sort of thing ever really goes away. I mean, I’ll never be a person who forgets to eat lunch. I always will care about food. But now instead of going up and down 40 and 50 pounds and being obsessed with food, maybe I go up three or four. And, you know, my life doesn’t revolve around food. So now when I getting back to the Yankee game when I go to the Yankee game now if I feel like having a precious So I’ll think to myself, well, how much you know, what do I really want? So it’s the pretzel, how much of it Do I want to eat and feel good about myself, and I’ll go get the pretzel, I may want half of it. I come back to the seat, and I eat it in front of my family, because it’s no longer this hidden, you know, mission I have to go on. So anyway, once I figured this out for myself, and I started to lose the weight, and I just started to feel calm about food. And as you mentioned earlier about the magic zone. That’s what I call this very calm place where you don’t feel deprived and you don’t feel the urge to binge. There’s not that compulsion to eat. And so once I felt that it was the first time in my life that I was able to have a calmness. And then I figured, well, let me see if this works on other humans because my dream has always been if I ever find my way out of this crazy lifestyle for myself, that I want to help other people. So they don’t have to suffer either. So I coached three people for free for a month, just kinda to see if it works for them, and they got the same results that I did. And so that’s when I turned it into the peaceful leader method. And so I do one on one coaching throughout the world. And I to this date have had 100% success rate with having people stop binge eating within 30 days. And again, it doesn’t mean it goes away, there’s some backsliding and you know, occasional bumps in the road. But it’s been extremely rewarding.
David Ralph [12:35]
And what you did which was clever there was you got over that self limiting belief that we all have when we start a business is there going to be value by road testing it finding people are doing it for free? And then once you can see, hey, there is value here. Then you you might have even said to them, how much would you pay for this and you start getting feedback. From the customers, well, actually, I would have paid five grand or whatever. I mean, you know what your market is?
Julie Latz [13:05]
You know, I wish that we had this conversation back then because I never really thought to ask them, I just kind of came up with a price. And, you know, there’s always going to be those people who say, I have to talk to my husband, or I can’t afford it. And in my mind, those are not people who are my ideal client, because they’re not willing to suspend their disbelief, you know, binge eaters, by the time they find me. They’ve tried so many diets, they’ve spent a tonne of money on programmes and potions and pills, and they’ve lost faith in themselves, because they, they get excited about something, it lasts for a little bit. And then they start bending again, and it’s a cycle that makes you really feel as though you’re never going to change. So that happens often. And then it happens just as often that people say you’re exactly what I’m looking for, and that, you know, those are the people I can help.
David Ralph [13:56]
But surely, if you’ve got something that is 100% success, Right. Ben is pretty much Name your price time, isn’t it?
Julie Latz [14:05]
You would think so? Um, I don’t know. You know, it’s, it’s it depends on how people value it. And it really comes back to what I just said, How much do they really believe there’s a possibility they can change. And I even offer 100% 100% guarantee. I tell people that if after the month, if you haven’t felt as though this has changed your life, I will give you every penny back. And I’ve never had to as I said, because once people can see the light when they learn that they actually can eat two cookies. And they can’t believe it because they’re living the way that either they have to eat lettuce leaves and stick to a diet. Or if they start on cookies, they know they’re going to eat the whole bag. There’s never been the in between. So once I teach them how to have the in between, that’s when the switch turns off.
David Ralph [15:00]
I think, and I know we’ve only just sort of connected. But I think that you are still being held back, what you have created seems to me to be something that is hugely powerful. And many, many people are going to want this. Now, what I have found in business, and it’s a bizarre thing you got to get your mind around it is that people do not buy into something that is parcelled at a cheaper price than they do if they spend a lot of money. If you said to them, the magic zone system, for example, is 20,000 pounds. More people will actually buy that and actually see it through to the end when if you say 100 pounds because they don’t sort of get the value from it. And I think this is something that is hugely worthwhile, and I could see it going global. I can see it going global, Julie.
Julie Latz [15:52]
Yes, absolutely. Thank you. I really appreciate your vote of confidence. And I totally agree with you. About this whole thing with value. I know if I look at something online, and you know, it’s not expensive, and I almost feel it’s cheap, you do have this perception that the person doesn’t think enough of it to charge what it’s worth.
David Ralph [16:15]
Yeah, I have a load of business books, which I see on Amazon and it’s like 499 or something, and I go, Oh, yeah, I buy that. I buy that. I’ve hardly read any of them. And I think the ones that I have read are the ones that I’ve spent the most money on because once it’s landed, I think I better get most out of this.
Unknown Speaker [16:32]
David Ralph [16:34]
Yep. Did you think that you are on the first stage of your business or this? Well, where do you think it is on the kind of the genesis of the whole magic zone system because you’re obviously doing great stuff. You’ve had 100% success rate, which is amazing. But until I connected with you, I’d never heard of it. Now. I hear loads and loads of other kind of dieting systems and food recognition systems and all that kind of stuff. So where do you think that this business can go?
Julie Latz [17:05]
Well, that’s a really interesting question. Because what I have been stuck with is the fact that my model is very limiting. I speak to people one on one, for a minimum of a month, Monday through Friday for 10 minutes a day. And there’s only so many people that you can speak to every day. And at the same time, I’m not willing to give up their results. You know what I’m saying? I know, I’ve been struggling. I’ve been struggling a little bit to try to figure out how can I get people the same amazing result, but reach more people? So what I came up with a few months ago was, Well, why don’t I try it in a group? Let’s say a group of five and instead of speaking to them every day for 10 minutes a day. I would do it where we speak as a group once a week and then we have The accountability each day for the 10 minutes, we have a Facebook group page. And I figured Let me try that just like I had those three guinea pigs to begin with. And I hate to use that word, but you know that I tested my one on one out on, I did the same thing for the group. So I had a free pilot programme with five women. And I thought, gee, you know, if I can do this, and it’s successful, then I can reach so many more people. So we went for it, and it was at it. I learned a lot from it. And what I found was, two people never got started. Two people dabbled in it. And one person got the same results as the one on one and that one person did everything. If I gave an assignment in the Facebook group, she did it. If she was supposed to report things in she did it. So I knew it could be successful, but I tried to figure out well, what the heck is wrong? Like why did these other two people not stored and why did some people show up, you know, kind of halfway and what I found Notice, they didn’t feel comfortable being in a group with something that’s so shameful when they didn’t know these other people. And that was a big aha to me, because I never would have thought of that. Like, if I were going to be in a group of people that are binge eaters, I would know we’re all the same, so it wouldn’t matter to me. So now I’m ready to press forward with more groups. Because I did my due diligence, I figured out what went wrong. And so that’s the unanswered question. That’s how I plan to move forward.
David Ralph [19:32]
I think what you need to do, and I don’t want to get into coaching mode, but you need to make this as scalable as possible. And I can see what you’re saying that your time is limited, but you want the same results. So what I would do if I was creating this is first of all, I would interview each of the people who wanted to come in on the the course, and I would have a 15 minute phone call with them. And I would speak to them saying what my requirements are and what their requirements are. And I would choose maybe three or four champions, that I think they could almost mirror me. So I would be the head of it. And they would be sort of working on my behalf, and split that group into smaller groups. So when you’re actually working with the champions, it’s like a triangle and been a champions are working with your actual clients, with you overseeing it, maybe twice a week, whatever, then you would get the smaller group accountability. And it wouldn’t seem so as you say, shameful. If you’ve got 100 or 200 people in one place, you would get the smaller groups combining into the bigger group.
Julie Latz [20:38]
That’s a very interesting way to go. I appreciate that. I also see myself let’s see being, like having enough people go through the programme, who maybe would like to be coaches, and I could see myself in the front of a room where there are, let’s say, 200 binge eaters who come for, you know, a seminar. Where they’re able to hear my story, let them know that I understand where they’re coming from and make that connection and trust. And then if they’d like to sign up to get help, they’re basically getting a curriculum and they are getting someone else as a coach. That’s what I could see happening.
David Ralph [21:20]
live, live webinars, do a live webinar. Yeah, that goes global. When you touch thousands and thousands of people, they get the same. I’m an online I’m a trainer by trade. And so I’ve spent years and years standing up in front of 30 4050, whatever it is in the room doing it. Now I think to myself, I would never do that again or highly unlikely. I would do it as a video course and actually do it so that they can get that same presentation. They don’t have to have the travel expense. They don’t need to have the babysitters and all that kind of stuff. But I still have a one on one with you. You will a focal point.
Julie Latz [21:59]
Great idea. You are one heck of a coach.
David Ralph [22:02]
Well, there we go. We’re talk afterwards. But I think there’s a lot of things that you can do now, that makes something absolutely scalable. And I think that the trouble with so many businesses is so many people start with the end product. And what they need to do is start with how can I be closest to the door? How can I make sure that this runs on almost automatic pilot without we’re still getting those same results. And I think the fact that you’re thinking that way, shows me that you are on the next stage to your business, you you’ve created the magic zone, you’ve seen results. But now what you need to do is get that out to the wider sense. And the only way you’re going to do that is online, doing sort of classrooms and stuff that is so restrictive because of the the issues that we have. And in the old days, that was the only way you could do it. So that is absolutely acceptable. But now, I was listening to a programme the other day and there’s a chap called Mike Johnston. I think it is and he’s a drama, and he decided that he was going to do drumming lessons online. Now you wouldn’t say there was a great quarterback I wouldn’t have also, he’s bringing in something like 200 grand a month doing Wow, drumming lessons. And you think about it, he does it once he records it puts it online. And how many people watch it, he makes money from that. And that’s the same thing with yourself. And I think in a wider sense, sort of the eating problem, which is a global issue is probably more prevalent and more valuable than learning how to play the drums.
Julie Latz [23:32]
You’re probably right with that. And you know, the other thing that is too limiting about it is my son was just in the hospital for a few days, having an eg and I had to be there but at the same time, I had to be talking to my clients. And that’s really the trouble I have because if you’re talking to people every day, you can’t just take a week off, because they’re counting on me. But that’s why I’m looking to have other people coach them but they kind of had to you know, in my head opinion, they really do need to go through the system. Because one of the things that makes us successful is that people connect with me because I was that person. Yeah, they are.
David Ralph [24:10]
Yeah, I can see that. And I know that successful businesses and all this all the global successes. People have got a story. I think they buy a backstory. And that’s why we resonate. And the fact that they pulled themselves from there, when you look at the people like Oprah Winfrey jumps into my head, where she came from, to where she is now. It gives you hope, and it makes you see the possibilities that if I did it, why can’t I?
Julie Latz [24:36]
You know, that’s First of all, that’s so true. But secondly, when you mention Oprah, part of my live stream is for Oprah and myself to connect somehow, someday some way because Oprah is very open about the fact that she herself is a binge eater. And I would love you to think of all the people that she helps in their lives. If I could help Her, nothing would be better.
David Ralph [25:02]
Absolutely, yeah, I’ll probably lead the way as do the words I’m going to play now. But these were played last year or maybe some of this year, I’m losing track of it to be honest. But let’s hugely powerful. And I’m gonna play these words and then we’re going to talk about them because I think he emphasises where you are. Now, this is Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey [25:20]
My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [25:47]
Now, did you have a leap of faith? Have you left the corporate gig to do this? Are you taking a chance on doing what you love Julie?
Julie Latz [25:58]
I’m not taking a chance. I’ll Just give you a little background though, because I’ve always been an entrepreneur at heart. My mother was an entrepreneur. And I was always the type even in high school or probably even before that, where I used to bake zucchini muffins and sell them at a delicatessen. I used to make jewellery, and you know, sell it at booths at different fairs. It’s, it’s like this thing, I have no choice. I need to be my own boss, I need the creativity, you know, available to me to just thrive and I don’t want to work under somebody and I did get a master’s in accounting because I was kind of pushed along that way by my parents to get that safe job. And I did it. And as soon as I was able to as soon as I got pregnant and had my first child, I was able to stay at home. Thank goodness for my wonderful, generous husband. And then I was able to pursue you No a business on my own. So I had a few different things. I was in a network marketing company. But right before I started helping people with binge eating, I had a video advertising business. And my head was in it, it was pretty cool. There was no such thing near where I lived, where there were big screens, in bagel places and in nail salons, you know, for people to advertise. But the problem is, it was only in my head. You know, there was no connection in my heart to this. So guess what, I never found ways to make it successful. I can’t say it was a failure, per se, because I don’t look at anything I do as a failure. You know, each thing is just part of the process to get me from where I am to where I’m meant to go. And in this case, coaching binge eaters was exactly what I always wanted to do, as I mentioned earlier, so my heart was always in it to help people, you know, get freedom from food addiction. So I hope I answered your question. You It
David Ralph [28:00]
is the whole thing, isn’t it? What we teach is what we need to learn most ourselves.
Julie Latz [28:05]
That is so true. And I keep hearing that over the last like week. I’ve probably heard that four times.
David Ralph [28:12]
You’ve been listening to this show. And yeah, that’s where it comes from.
Unknown Speaker [28:14]
Yeah, yeah, that’s true.
David Ralph [28:16]
But the east is fascinating, isn’t it? Once you find your thing, and you start connecting with people, you do find that when the words are coming out of your mouth, you actually start listening to yourself, and it answers a lot of your questions. I find that more often than not, I’ll be talking about something. And as I’m saying it, I kind of think that’s true. Why am I not doing that myself? Yes, I must do that afterwards. But it’s almost like you’re sort of subconscious goes into overdrive and brings the next stage to where you should be going. And pump in front of you.
Julie Latz [28:50]
Yeah, no, that is is so true. And that’s part of why that’s part of what keeps me going with this is I want to walk my talk when I Talking with clients. I can’t possibly be feeling good and confident. If I’m not doing what I’m suggesting they do
David Ralph [29:10]
is in a competence issue in you with, you know, I was reading that introduction and I took the words from your site shame, guilt and embarrassment, feeling out of control. Now they’re they’re not good words at all. Is that something that can take away your confidence? Are you little in that regard?
Unknown Speaker [29:31]
Julie Latz [29:33]
those things were very true because all binge eaters feel shameful because you think like, Why can I stop doing this, like, What is wrong with me? Because there’s no logic involved. When you have an addiction, you know, you can get sick, you know, all these bad things that will happen, but you can’t stop yourself, but as a person, as a whole person. I’m the sort of person who never actually feels guilty about anything other than what I was dealing with. with food, I don’t feel guilty about anything I ever do. I know that sounds a little strange. But I always feel as though whatever it is I’m doing at the time is based on whatever I know, then, you know, I never look back and say, why did you do that? or Why didn’t you think differently? I just don’t do that. So it’s a really nice way to walk around is not feeling down on myself about anything. Even when I was in the throes of this problem. I just accepted that this is my problem. People have all kinds of things, this is my thing. And that someday I will find my way out.
David Ralph [30:39]
Because I’m a naturally skinny guy, and I don’t have a desire to eat at all. If you gave me a tablet, and I could just pop it in my mouth and it does people a day that would be perfect. But I do like, well, we call them crisp. You called him a potato chip something over in America. Yeah. And yeah, bigalow the facts in front of me that’s going down my mouth, even if I don’t But I’m quite a lot of time my wife will come out with sore biscuits at night while we’re watching the telly or something. And she say, do you want to be scared? And I go, No, no, I’m only wanting it because you’ve just put it in front of me. I wasn’t thinking about it two minutes ago. Does that mean that I have got the direct opposite view to a binge? Is it? Is it in you? Are you naturally going to be that kind of person or a binge eater? Or can the two become sort of overlap sometimes? Um,
Julie Latz [31:31]
I don’t know that it’s the opposite. I don’t know if you can kind of compare it that way. Just like with alcohol, I mean, if I never had another drink, I’d never give it a thought. You know, it doesn’t have a pole for me. But it doesn’t really make me the opposite of an alcoholic. It just means I kind of have an indifference.
David Ralph [31:52]
Does that make sense? It does is indifference. The key thing there?
Julie Latz [31:59]
Yeah, because When you have an indifference you are really not feeling that pole or that addiction or that compulsion. You’re just kind of like it doesn’t faze you, it doesn’t enter your life and wreak havoc.
David Ralph [32:14]
When when people reach out to you, because they’ve got food issues, is it is a food issue because I’m coming from a total ignorant place. I’ve never had a food issue in my life. I just don’t really go a bundle and food. But is it only when they have made a decision? Or do they have partners and children saying, mom, dad, you’ve got to do something about this? Is it a secret thing, but they have to make that first step or do they support around them?
Julie Latz [32:45]
That’s a great question. So many binge eaters. First of all, they all sneak food, you know, unless they live alone, but basically, it is very hidden, dark side of them. A lot of times they don’t even tell their spouse. I mean, my husband saw me going up and down and up and down. But he probably just thought at the time, like, Oh, so she’s guiding and now she’s not. But he never saw what I was really doing. And until I came clean, once I knew I was out of the woods, I came clean with my husband and my kids. But basically, I wouldn’t be able to help someone if their mother told them, call this woman or their husband said, You know, I heard this woman could help you. Because this takes work every single day. And I tell my clients, this is not hard work at all, but it is consistent work. And if you don’t do the work every day, you will backslide. I mean, I give them the tools that they probably will never really go for it, like eat thousands and thousands of calories a day once they learn these tools, but there is the ability to backslide if you’re not doing the work every day.
David Ralph [33:58]
What does that mean Ben, you could you give us those tools eat thousands and thousands and thousands of calories. Why would you do that?
Julie Latz [34:05]
No, I don’t give them tools to eat thousands of calories. What I’m saying is I give them tools, so they will probably never have a binge in the way they used to. Right. But they may over, they may overdo it a little bit. And that’s what I meet about the backsliding. They may feel like, I don’t want to be asking myself these questions or, you know, I want to eat an extra 25. cashews or, you know, something like that. But the life the day in the life of the binge eater is the person who wakes up thinking I should start a diet today. But I really want to eat that bagel with cream cheese. And then they’re bringing snacks and they’re sticking in those snacks in their desk drawer at work, and they’re running out to the bathroom to eat it. And the day is going on and I’m thinking about when is lunch and how many lunches Can I eat. So they’re driven all day long about food. But in order to get help, they have to be so fed up with that lifestyle.
But themselves that they want to do some work.
David Ralph [35:04]
So, because on your site, you have a sort of tagline open your mind, open your heart and knowing change is possible for you. Interesting that you have both the heart and the mind is that is that a combination but you need, continued the other
Julie Latz [35:21]
that you’re open your heart, meaning that knowing well it’s like knowing in yourself because deep down in your heart you don’t believe, I guess it’s really in your mind and in your heart. You really don’t believe that you can ever be different because as I was saying earlier, the person who finds me has tried so many things, and they have no belief. And so they basically are heartbroken because they’re hating themselves. And their mind is filled with such negative thoughts and lack of trust. So I want people to just completely open up and Let me explain to them how they don’t have to keep living in this cycle. Because I’ve literally cracked the code as to what we’re doing wrong, and how to overcome it. Because it’s all about deprivation, you know, you going on a diet, and you feel deprived. So once you’re deprived enough, because you’re basically told on a diet, you can eat this kind of food, or you have to limit that or whatever you’re told these restrictions, leads to deprivation. When you get sick and tired of being deprived, then you’re just going to binge so people don’t know any other way. Some basically saying, open up to me, and let me explain to you how it doesn’t have to be this way.
David Ralph [36:44]
Well, one of the things that we touch on on Join Up Dots on the Join Up Dots timeline, is the fact that quite often, people will find their finger in life by going through pretty much horrible stuff and stuff that they look back on and it’s the the pain to pleasure They forced to get away from the pain. Do you see that? When you look back on it now was your disorder, your binge eating? Was that a good thing because you’ve now found this.
Julie Latz [37:13]
That is, you couldn’t have been more on target with that. I had to suffer for so long to get to this point. And as I said earlier, I’ve always felt like if I could find my way out of this craziness, that I’ll be able to help other people. And it was a dream, you know, come true. So yeah, I put, I paid the dues to have the most rewarding profession that I could ever hope for.
David Ralph [37:43]
Did you think you have to pay the Jews do because it doesn’t even try again, as I say that. I have conversations when people tell me some truly horrible stuff where it’s so of the moment that I could either go one way or the other and he chose to go the other and been there life has been great ever since then. But it’s almost that I had to hit rock bottom to be able to start bouncing back.
Julie Latz [38:09]
Yeah, that’s what happened with this because I wouldn’t be able to be helping people with this if I hadn’t suffered. And if I hadn’t known this so well, because you know, people who go to doctors who say, or nutritionist who say that they can help them stop binge eating, but if they’ve never walked in those shoes, it’s really not the same thing. And as I said earlier, that we all have the same profile, binge eaters are all the same with the sneaking with the eating, whether they’re hungry or not. So someone who’s outside of that looking in doesn’t have the same view.
David Ralph [38:45]
You you’ve got to have lived it to be output to give it
Julie Latz [38:48]
Yeah, yeah. Because when people listen to my audio or I have a, you know, a free consultation with them, that’s when we really connect that’s when they’re able to say she’s so gets me She’s doing you know, I could be at Yankee Stadium with the, you know, sneaking out to the bathroom. It when I speak with people they say when I heard you say x, that’s when I knew I needed to work with you because it’s coming from my heart what I lived and they can relate.
David Ralph [39:19]
Is that a key thing that you get from it those moments when somebody says, You have made a difference away from this sort of food element and we’re talking about if you was doing this somewhere else in some other issue may be alcohol, smoking drugs or whatever? Is that a key part of Judy lattes that moment when you start mending somebody?
Julie Latz [39:43]
It really is. And I have to tell you, David, when I have someone tell me, I’m just going to give you an example a woman that I recently started working with. She was his was a binge eater from Friday to Sunday. She would start her binges Friday morning. And as she said, she’d be like head down in the pantry till Sunday night. She was okay during the week. So we got started on a Wednesday. And I explained everything to her about how this works. And when we spoke on Monday because I speak to them Monday through Friday, so normally her binge would have started on a Friday. So when we spoke on Monday, she said, this is the first weekend I have ever had, where I didn’t binge. Like when I hear those sorts of things, I basically can’t sleep at night. I’m pinching myself. This is what I was meant to do. There’s no doubt because I can do it all day. And it keeps me up at night. So that’s that’s how I feel about it.
David Ralph [40:46]
Did you walk it power, doesn’t it when you find your feet does, you know you never knew that you had
Julie Latz [40:52]
it. That is so true. I could just keep going on and on. Helping people because it’s so gratifying because again, as you said, it’s not only about the food. What this does is this opens up their lives, they get to reclaim their life. Just like I said that I could then be, you know, now at a baseball game when I’m there, I’m now paying attention to the game. I’m with my family, I’m not thinking, how am I going to sneak out to the bathroom? Or what pocketbook Should I bring to? that there’ll be enough room to stick junk food in? I’m part of my life. And that’s what happens with these people that I coach is they get their lives back. Could you imagine if you’re spending your whole day thinking about food and you don’t have to anymore? Think of all the other things you can do and be and the confidence in yourself that you then can have, plus you get to look thinner?
David Ralph [41:45]
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Your life change on you.
Julie Latz [41:48]
Yeah, that’s exactly how I feel. It’s a game changing method. It really is. It’s life transformative. Well,
David Ralph [41:56]
good on you. I’m gonna play the words now of Steve Jobs. The theme of the show, and it really sort of emphasises your journey van, you’ve had a series of dots that have led you there. And sometimes they’re pretty black dots, but you still had to get through them to actually find your thing in life. This is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [42:16]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path, and that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [42:52]
True to you, Julie.
Julie Latz [42:54]
I couldn’t agree more that that really resonates with me so much. The way I is no matter what is happening in my life, I see it as though it’s exactly what’s supposed to be happening. And at the time, I often don’t really know why something’s playing out the way it is. And that’s what I find is one of the coolest things in life. Because at some point down the road, it all makes sense. It’s kind of like what he just said about the dots. So when I look at my life, and be at businesses that didn’t work out, or relationships that ended, or you know, some people may have come in my life and didn’t stay, I often live at my laugh to myself. And what I say is, would you look at that, like now I get it, it all makes sense to me at some point. Because the dots have been connected when at an earlier point, they made no sense. And you know, you can’t figure out the connection to the correlation as you’re going through it. But um, you know, one of my favourite things to do is to take a look at some outcome of something that happens, usually a positive one, and I like to trace its origins back As far as possible, so I may look at something that happened and think well, who did you know who said what, who told me about such and such that led me to this, that introduced me to that. And it’s a game I play all the time. And I laugh about it, because you do see the end result as having all these little bits and pieces, all these dots, let’s say, that didn’t make sense beforehand. You never know where it’s headed until you can look back. So I absolutely agree.
David Ralph [44:32]
I was speaking to a lady in yesterday’s episode, and she told me this phrase, I’d never heard of it before, but it seems to tie up with you perfectly. Live like everything is rigged in your favour. And I like that. And that seems to be your vibe that you generally think that yeah, this is what’s going to happen, if it goes wrong is only because I didn’t know enough at that time, but I will know more next time.
Julie Latz [44:57]
That’s right. And you know that quote you just said must’ve been online recently within the last few weeks because I saw that I loved it. I wrote that down. I agree with her.
David Ralph [45:06]
Yeah, I’d never heard of it before, but I wrote it down. I thought, yeah, I pretty much feel bad. I just kind of just do stuff. And I always think it’s gonna work out. I don’t know why it’s gonna work out and more often and no, it does. Only because you’ve done stuff. Yeah. Wow, this is a good show. Well, I’m gonna do now, Judy, I’m going to send you back in time. And this is the part of the show that we called a sermon on the mind when I send you back, like a young time traveller to have a one on one with yourself. And if you could go back and speak to the young Julie, what age would you choose and what advice would you give? Well, we’re gonna find out because I’m gonna play the theme tune and when it fades, you’re up. This is the Sermon on the mic.
Julie Latz [45:55]
Best I would also tell her that although she’s going to spend many years travelling along a very bumpy binge eating road, and that it’s going to get to the point where it becomes intolerable. That’s when the answer is going to come to you, and just hang in there. It’s going to get really bad, but it’s only because you need to get to that point and never lose sight of your dream to be able to help people through this. And just don’t lose faith because this is what you were meant to do. Hang in there and dreams come true.
David Ralph [46:40]
Julie, how can our audience connect with you?
Julie Latz [46:44]
Well, people can go to binge eater. Sorry, peace people can go to peaceful eater calm, and I have a video there and they can kind of get to know me there. And we can also set up a free consultation See if I can help them. But that’s the best place to go is peaceful eater.com.
David Ralph [47:05]
We’ll have over links on the show notes. Julie, thank you so much for spending time with us today and joining up those dots. And please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Judy lattes, thank you so much.
Julie Latz [47:21]
Thank you, this has been so enjoyable for me. I really appreciate the time with you.
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David Ralph [47:53]
You got rid of me. Now I’m just going to ask you a favour anyone out there who’s enjoyed the show, and has enjoyed all the shows. Could you Go to iTunes and leave a review the more reviews I get, the better the show will perform. And then it’s a win win. You’ll be getting me every single day for the rest of your life. Don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. But yeah, iTunes, David Ralph, Join Up Dots. And I love you so much or even come down to walk your dog. Thanks very much. Bye bye