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Introducing Johanna Derbolowsky
Todays show focuses in on transformation, and how we can all change ourselves for the better by making simple choices everyday.
Our guest has been helping clients across the world for many years, to take the steps towards awakening our inner butterfly.
And what she means by this, is like a butterfly that soars around the garden, flying on picture perfect wings, we all start our lives as caterpillars.
Not aware of what we can truly become, and will become if we decide to become our true selves.
The people that we were put on this earth to become.
And our guest has certainly been on a journey to discover who she truly is too.
How The Dots Joined Up For Johanna
Being born in Hamburg Germany, she at first studied sculpture and cinematography before moving to New York City in 1984.
Three years later, she found herself living in Los Angeles and has called the place her home for over twenty years, as she has developed her creativity and built her business to help us all discover how to enjoy every aspect of our lives.
Become our butterflies.
And it is with this passion for change, that led to her building the Quantum Heart Field Experience, where she help people who can feel the desire for change, or know that they are at the starting point of a conscious shift in their lives.
She is an ordained minister with the International Metaphysical Ministry, spiritual counselor, and life coach, and published author off the the bestselling book The Transformation Promise: A Book About Love, Healing and the Flow of Life.
So its with huge delight that I bring onto the show to start joining up dots, with the one and only Johanna Derbolowsky.
During the episode we discussed such weighty topics with Johanna Derbolowsky such as:
How she believes it so important to start the day in the right way, focusing on the positives in her life and how she is going to make the day become what she wants.
How opportunities often will keep on knocking on the door until we are ready to hear the knocks and open them.
Why great questions as to why we are putting up with bad situations are “What am I getting out this?” and “Why am I staying where I am not happy?”
Why New York was such a difficult time in her life, but made her believe that something good is always going to happen as long as you keep going.
Why she believes that there is no negative or positive energy in the world…its just energy. And how we react to it, is what makes that energy what it is.
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Full Transcription Of Johanna Derbolowsky Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes, hello, bear world. Welcome to Join Up Dots. This is David Ralph, this is Episode 257. And we’re gonna have another conversation. That’s what we do on a daily basis, we bring you the best conversations across the world, talking to people that are really doing their own thing. And it might be unusual path. Sometimes Sometimes it might be paths that you’re already in, but there’s a different spin and the spin is action taking getting off the backside and actually doing something. Now today’s show focuses in on transformation. How we can change ourselves for the better. By making simple choices every day. Our guest has been helping clients across the world for many years to take the steps towards awakening out in a butterfly. And what she means by base is like a butterfly that soars around the garden flying on picture perfect wings. We all start our lives as caterpillars crawling around, not aware of what we can truly become, and will become if we decided to become our true selves, the people that we were put on this earth to become, and our guest has certainly been on a journey to discover who she truly is to being born in Hamburg, Germany, she at first study sculpture and cinematography before moving to New York City in 1984. And three years later, finding yourself living in Los Angeles and has called to place her home but over 20 years, she has developed her creativity and built her business to help us all discover how to enjoy every aspect of our lives become our butterflies, and it’s with his passion for change that led to her building the quantum heart field experience, where she helps people Feel but basically feel the desire for change or know that they at the starting point of a conscious shift in their lives she’s an ordained minister would international metaphysical ministry spiritual counsellor and life coach and a published author of the best selling book the transformation promise a book about love healing and the flow of life says with huge delight now bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Johanna Derbolowsky. How are you Johanna?
Johanna Derbolowsky [2:26]
I’m very well. Thank you, David for having me on the show. I’m very excited. It’s good to have you here. You
David Ralph [2:32]
only know a wonderful place. I was talking to you just before we started recording, and I’m sitting in a Duncan Do you kill you with the wind whistling around my recording studio. And you are in glorious California probably early afternoon. The sun is shining. picturesque?
Johanna Derbolowsky [2:49]
Well, it’s still morning. It’s 11 and it’s overcast today which is welcomed here as a break from the sun.
David Ralph [2:57]
Did you are you somebody that doesn’t fly? In the sun Do you like to see keep your, your skin white because it’s Deke the Californians. A lot of them. The ones I’ve met, don’t seem to have a suntan between them is amazing.
Johanna Derbolowsky [3:11]
Well, I like a little bit of change every now and then I enjoy the sun, but I also enjoy a nice, overcast day.
David Ralph [3:17]
So what is your day like when you get up on a Sunday morning? It’s sort of mid morning, as you say, do you have a certain routine that you do on a daily basis?
Johanna Derbolowsky [3:28]
Yeah, I do. I get up in the morning. And I hate to admit this have coffee, which some people might not think it’s the healthiest choice. And I write one page of affirmations, whatever affirmation comes to me in the morning, so about 20 times. And then I write at least one page of my gratitude journal, and I write down all the things that I’m grateful for. The things that I have the things that I don’t have just the same
David Ralph [4:00]
You’ve been doing that for years or is that a new thing?
Johanna Derbolowsky [4:04]
I have been doing that for a number of years. And you know, every now and then I’ll slip and I take a break. But I notice the difference within a few days and then I get back to it.
David Ralph [4:18]
He seems a key thing that comes up time and time and time again on the show that the mornings are the main part of how to start your day. So many people had the Miracle Morning or they had the first hour where they focus in on what’s going to happen or what they want to achieve. Do you think that’s a big part to live? Do you think that’s what so many people miss out on when they throw themselves out of bed the alarm clock goes they start brushing their teeth have to shower, they always have to work and everything is sort of hustle bustle as soon as I start
Johanna Derbolowsky [4:50]
Well, if you do the hustle bustle is then as you start you moving through the day very unconscious when you have the time in the morning to centre yourself. consciously be aware of, this is who I am. Let me make the best off whatever is thrown at me by the day today. You have a you have a say in how to respond. Because otherwise you’re just in or tuned fight or flight mode responding to what is thrown at you and if you’re centred, you have a choice. How do I actually want to respond to the events of today?
David Ralph [5:27]
Did what would you buy in Dubai into the the sort of the 1520 minutes of absolutely doing nothing first thing in the morning just sitting there with your thoughts?
Johanna Derbolowsky [5:39]
I do that between the snooze alarm. Yeah, I think it’s really good. I don’t always have the time to do it. Because I you know, I can hit the snooze button a few times, myself. But I think it’s a very good habit to do and I aspire to one They actually have it to our routine in the morning. But now I’m just doing what I think is the most important. I centre myself, actually, I have another little routine where I envision myself in. And golf in the spotlight of now let’s call it divine oneness. And I know that I’m in that light and I’m protected and whatever will come at me is going to it’s going to hit that first and it’s going to give me that moment to say, Well how do I want to respond?
David Ralph [6:36]
So you seem as you use the word earlier, very conscious about yourself and very conscious about your, your surroundings and what you want to whether it’s achieved or feel like for the day, has that always been the case? If we take you back like we’re going to to the younger Joanna, were you that kind of person or is this come later on in life?
Johanna Derbolowsky [6:59]
No, I wasn’t kind of person? Of course not. I’m
David Ralph [7:04]
not. I mean,
Johanna Derbolowsky [7:07]
I’m looking back.
Now this is a discipline discipline needs to be acquired. I was a normal kid that did not particularly like discipline. So, you know, I wanted to be free flowing at all times, but everything, everything you really want to achieve takes effort and if it doesn’t take any effort, you don’t really feel that it’s an achievement, you might still get it. But it doesn’t feel like an achievement. But if you put your discipline and effort into something and and then you get it, you know, you’ve really done a good job.
David Ralph [7:47]
And is that important to you to get the achievement but also balance it out with feeling good in regards to your efforts of getting it?
Johanna Derbolowsky [7:59]
Yes, I think
David Ralph [8:01]
Because a lot of people out there would just be happy that they’ve achieved and it doesn’t matter how it occurs. And many of them if it’s a quick route to the getting that achievement, then all the better.
Johanna Derbolowsky [8:14]
Well, yes, that’s how we like to have it, we like to think that easy is the best way to get it. But even easy if it if you get it without any effort, it’s meaningless, because you know, you can just get it.
David Ralph [8:27]
But isn’t, isn’t that the same thing? Isn’t it about the achievement more than how you get it, isn’t it? You know, if you if you can either go the hard route or the easy route, and if you can get the achievement by going the easy route? Isn’t that what most people would do is another sensible, sensible way?
Johanna Derbolowsky [8:43]
Yes, that’s Yes, that’s sensible. And by all means, go the easy route. I would I would pick the easy route to but I think it’s a little bit of an illusion. Because I’m, you know, I’m also an artist. Yes, you can, you can put you can get a painting done. Five seconds, that looks really great. But if you don’t have the skills to do that, if you haven’t had the discipline and the work to get there, then it is like a one in a one moment fleeting thing.
David Ralph [9:14]
So so you do believe in sort of preparation and building your skills over a period of time, there’s a technique more vain. The attainment
Johanna Derbolowsky [9:24]
I believe in.
I believe in going for what you want. And using discipline can also be disciplining your thoughts. But discipline is definitely a needed thing. And my opinion,
David Ralph [9:45]
I think you’re right. I think it’s in my opinion, as well. I’m just fascinated by your desire for effort and attainment. But that’s an interesting way of thinking because I believe that the more disciplined I am, the more of a I actually do achieve because I put certain structures in and I have a focus to get to my end product, which maybe I wouldn’t have if it was just a walk and get up and go and do it anyway.
Johanna Derbolowsky [10:12]
Yeah, but isn’t half the fun of working towards it? Oh, really going for it that the action part?
David Ralph [10:19]
Well, I think so
Johanna Derbolowsky [10:21]
once you I mean, once I achieve a goal, I’m already on the way to the next one.
David Ralph [10:26]
So So when did this awareness of goal setting and being very conscious about your yourself? When did this actually kick in? Because so many people out there having got it, and so many people, being the devil’s advocate has always been a moment ago. We all look for the easy route and just go for the low hanging fruit. So when was the awareness of there is there’s effort in life to get the true rewards when did that come into?
Johanna Derbolowsky [10:55]
I think that you know, was drilled into me by my parents and teachers To begin with, and I don’t mean that you have to, you know, necessarily suffer and struggle to get anything. I think some things flow very easy, but the road is the fun part. And the road takes walking. I mean, I think probably the biggest moment where I realised that was in hiking in the Alps. It took a lot of effort. At one point I was in on a class trip, hiking in the Alps, and we were hiking this mountain top and it was very difficult and very hard to do. And the view from up there was incredible, and it was worth all the strength it took to get there.
David Ralph [11:45]
And would you do it again, or once you’ve been up there is bad enough, you
Johanna Derbolowsky [11:51]
might pick a different mountaintop.
David Ralph [11:54]
And you would still get the same result the same attainment but just in a different different view. Yeah,
Johanna Derbolowsky [12:03]
or a different different goals, same attainment.
But the more effort you put in, the more the wow effect is at the end.
David Ralph [12:12]
So when your clients come to you, are they people that are on the path, the same path as you? Do you make them aware that there’s a different path? How do you manage to start to bring out bear in a butterfly?
Johanna Derbolowsky [12:30]
Well, my clients have all sorts of different reasons why they come, I have a lot of people that are looking for healing and their road back to health. And some that, that are looking to advance in their business or they say, Hey, I read the book of secrets and I’m doing everything right but it’s not happening and
Unknown Speaker [12:56]
Johanna Derbolowsky [12:58]
new age You can get everything in a moment is really backfiring on a lot of people.
The way I look at it is
you don’t just hand the university a shopping list. I mean, that’s really
Unknown Speaker [13:16]
Johanna Derbolowsky [13:20]
well, the universe is worth more than just being your servant that knows more about you and knows more where you should go with what you actually need. And so even if you do everything right in the law of attraction, you also got to be aware that there is an overriding power that says yes, you may want this but this may not be good for you. Or this may not be where you really want to go, which you can’t see it. So in that case, you may be doing everything right but it’s not
getting you where you think you want to go.
David Ralph [14:00]
Do you see the law of attraction and the secret movie and the work of sort of jack Canfield and people? Do you see that as an issue in today’s society where people think that they can basically focus in on something and it turns up? Do you see that a problem or is it actually good, but we’re not actually using?
Johanna Derbolowsky [14:20]
Both? I think it’s, it’s good. I think it’s presented as could be a little bit misleading people. That’s what I see in my clients. Because they’re saying, you know, I’m doing everything and how come it’s not working for me. And then you actually need to go deeper what is actually working for you. And then also, we are a unit that the universe is a unit. The earth is a unit and we are part of this big unit. Not everybody can have an SUV. Because the earth wouldn’t be able to do that or not everybody can have a $5 million mansion, there’s not enough room for that. So there is that really fine line? If not, if it’s not good for everybody and for our unit as a whole, is it really good for you?
Yep. And I’m asking you that
David Ralph [15:14]
well, but not everyone’s going to have the mansion or like because I know not everyone’s going to go over there and be from my experience of the law of attraction. From what I’ve seen, it takes a lot of effort. It’s not that you just sit on your sofa and you chant. And when your Ferrari turns up, you’ve got to it’s cause and effect, the more things you do in a positive way, the more likely you’re going to get what you want. That’s the way I see it.
Johanna Derbolowsky [15:42]
Yeah, but that’s not how a lot of people understand it. And that’s what I see in my clients. The what it comes around is yes, I chant or I sit on the sofa, and I imagine myself driving the Ferrari, I get the Ferrari and I get to drive it and then it’s Is that really good? If everybody did that? Would that really benefit us as a whole? And I think that’s a very important question. I want you know, it’s kind of a little kid thing. I want this and I want to add, and I want this and I want that. And then the parents go like, but yes, but that may not be the right thing for you right now, because it’ll be better for you to actually learn something first.
David Ralph [16:24]
But but surely, adults don’t actually believe that they can just sit on the sofa, pretending they’re driving a Ferrari and it turns up short Surely, it’s a nice fault to have. But you can buy positive affirmations whatever you can make these things materialise, but he’s never gonna have
Johanna Derbolowsky [16:46]
actually I have seen people that can do that. I
used to teach prosperity classes and
I had one student in the class who took the class because he wanted Not a Ferrari, but he wanted to drive a Porsche. That was the only reason he wanted to have a Porsche. Why he took the class. And I have to admit I was a little bit opinionated in myself. I kept that thought to myself, but if I’d like to do that, it’s really one interesting goal. But three months after the class, he called me and he said, guess what? I’m calling you from my Porsche. And he was unemployed and had no real profession or education or anything when he took the class. And he did it exactly like that. he envisioned did and what happened was he got a job at a Porsche dealership.
David Ralph [17:44]
So he still took action Bodine, he still did something he put him in that position
Johanna Derbolowsky [17:49]
where he wasn’t looking for a job there. The job was mentioned to him by a friend. I mean, it all came to him. But yes, I mean you you have to you know sitting on your couch and all of a sudden your couch transforms in a Ferrari you’re gonna have to move. So it’s a window what I did move molecules.
David Ralph [18:09]
Yeah. So so when you started your, your journey, was it the plan to end up where you are now IE doing the work with your clients? Or were you planning to be the artist as we sort of alluded to in the in the introduction.
Johanna Derbolowsky [18:29]
I don’t think that I planned either one. It just happened.
I didn’t set out to be
actually rather the opposite. I set out to avoid being a healer and a coach and my my family everybody’s in medicine and psychiatry and psychology psychotherapy. And
so I was determined not to go that route.
Unknown Speaker [18:58]
Unknown Speaker [18:59]
it was Yeah,
David Ralph [19:01]
I’m Why Why did it happen? But if you started determined not to and you seem a very determined lady, you seem to be somebody that focuses in on stuff and achieves it. Was there a point in your life when you actually thought I can’t find this anymore? This is my path. Yeah.
Johanna Derbolowsky [19:18]
It and it happened. Again, not as in a planned thing, but I had a child and I realised that working in the film business and being a stay at home mom didn’t. Was wasn’t combinable for me, and I didn’t want to travel anymore and wanted to be home and enjoy him. And that that same moment, I ran into somebody I hadn’t seen in a long time and she said, Hey, why don’t you join us in this group of clairvoyant people and spend some time with us, and I did.
David Ralph [20:00]
And Was that something that you was ready for that time? Or was that just an opportunity that you thought, Well, why not? I’ve got nothing else to do.
Johanna Derbolowsky [20:10]
I was, I was ready. I always have other things to do, but I was ready and I realised that Okay, my, my journey was really I was introduced to many, many healers and shaman and extremely highly evolved spiritual people as a child. And they decided to always teach me how they’re doing the healing work, and I decided that I did not want to learn it really because they were monks. They were reckless.
you know, I wanted to be a girl of the world.
I wanted to see the world travel and work and have fun and I couldn’t see meditating all day and becoming a monk basically or a nun in my case. So I decided that I didn’t I didn’t want that. And every time something came up in that direction, I made that conscious decision that Mel, that’s too scary. I don’t want to go that way.
David Ralph [21:22]
Is that something that happens to so many people because it certainly happened to me and it’s happened to quite a few people I’ve spoken to that. They’re kind of the path keeps on knocking on their door over a period of time. And you don’t realise it First of all, and Bain sometimes you do in Isaiah and you just don’t fancy it, but it just keeps on appearing, appearing appearing until you realise that, yeah, this is what I should be doing and use all that embrace it and you go forward on that. Was that the same review? Did you feel that it was leaving messages for you along the lines, you could actually look back and Join Up Dots.
Johanna Derbolowsky [22:00]
Yeah, the messages were always there. But my hearing was extremely clogged. So, and I think that’s that way for everybody the messages are there and then incomes the pain and pain is a great motivator. If you don’t listen to your inner guidance, spirit will find a way to get you to listen. So whatever it takes
David Ralph [22:25]
and you had pain in your life but not forced you but moved you in that direction you was moving away from that pain, because that’s the truth, isn’t it? It’s either you’re moving away from pain towards pleasure or vice versa.
Johanna Derbolowsky [22:40]
Yeah, I mean, you hope you moving away from pain at all times.
Because who wants to live in pain? But
yeah, definitely my painful experiences increased to the point where I had to say, Okay, I’m listening. I hear you And I’m gonna go that way.
David Ralph [23:05]
And was it the right way to go? Now you look at it was it? Is this the path? Is this the real place that you should be?
Johanna Derbolowsky [23:13]
Yeah, I mean there’s no no choice no option to go any other way for me.
David Ralph [23:20]
So So what was it about when you when you went to sort of New York and stuff and you studied cinematography? What What was that like take us back to bear and sort of reflect on the younger you and what life was like in those days because obviously it’s probably very different from where you are now.
Johanna Derbolowsky [23:38]
Well, I finished I finished high school and I went to the University of Maine for a year I had a scholarship and even though at first I thought Maine was really the end of the world. There were more trees and nature than I had ever seen in my life, because Europe is much more crowded. And I came when I came back I thought well money’s really overcrowded, I can’t handle this. So I worked for a little bit trying to figure out what I wanted to do next. And I ran into somebody that said, Hey, I have an extra ticket to New York, and you can sublease my apartment if you want to, for six months, because I’m not staying there. And I had three days time to think about and I said, sure, but I didn’t think about it. And I got to New York and I had no money and I was not allowed to work and things were really difficult. And I regretted that decision a few times. But I survived. And, you know, if you survive New York, then according to most people, you can live anywhere. So I survived New York and I stayed for three years and I really loved it and enjoyed it and I figured out how to be there. But it, it wasn’t planned. It just happened. And it threw me into a new scenario.
David Ralph [25:10]
And it threw you into what was the scenario as in? How different were you after New York when you were beforehand?
Johanna Derbolowsky [25:21]
A very different and I’d say most of all my faith, that things will work out,
took a whole new understanding.
Because there were a lot of moments when I thought, wow, I’m going to end up homeless and starving and murdered in the street. Because I had no place
to make money and find work and,
and always at that moment, something would show up or somebody would show up, and I began to really have faith You can’t have faith. But if you never know if you’re never in a situation where you actually need it, you don’t really know if you have it. And that’s the same as I said before with if it doesn’t take effort, if if your strength is never challenged, you don’t know you don’t really know about it.
David Ralph [26:19]
I’ll you a fighter as well. Deep down. Are you somebody that is willing to get back up and go again? Is that where the faith comes from?
Johanna Derbolowsky [26:28]
I don’t see myself as a fighter but as a survivor definitely.
David Ralph [26:33]
Is that not the same thing is not a survivor, somebody that gets up and just keeps on going and going and going?
Johanna Derbolowsky [26:40]
Well, I see a fighter is somebody that’s more aggressive, fighting with other people. I don’t fight with other people or I try not to. But I survive. I get up and go and say, Okay, good morning. What are we doing today and what can happen today
David Ralph [27:00]
So even at your darkest moments, and certainly, it sounded like there was some dark moments at New York, you still was somebody about every day was willing to embrace the new day that it was going to get better.
Johanna Derbolowsky [27:16]
Well, there’s only two ways of looking at things. It’s either you look at it, like it can get worse, or it’s going to get better and it’s a choice. I prefer it will get better. And then if things get worse, you go like, okay, now it really got worse, it will get better.
Unknown Speaker [27:33]
That’s a choice.
David Ralph [27:35]
But some people don’t see it as a choice. Do they see it as a situation but they’re not in control? How, what makes you different from so many people out there and I’ve worked with so many people and I get emails from people, and they say, you know, this is rubbish, That’s rubbish. And it is like they’ve got no control of what’s happening to them. Do you do believe that they have or are you just different from that?
Johanna Derbolowsky [28:05]
Well, I believe that we’re not in control of things that are happening to us necessarily things are thrown our way you may be, you know, in an accident or something that you put in a situation all of a sudden, where you don’t know your way around, but the outcome of any situation is determined by the way you respond to it. So your response to any thing that’s thrown at you determines the outcome.
David Ralph [28:37]
So somebody out there who’s in a rubbish relationship or a terrible job, and they’re dreading tomorrow morning, which is Monday because I’ve got to go through it today. They’ve got to go to bed with the right mindset or wake up with the right mindset. Is it important to do what so many people are doing, get that affirmations and get there, that positive morning Right or is it better to go to bed in a good way? And hopefully he carries you through the night?
Johanna Derbolowsky [29:06]
No, I’d say both. I mean you know if you really want to change the situation you use whatever tools you have available all of them at once.
Unknown Speaker [29:16]
So so if you were to share
David Ralph [29:17]
been in in your with your clients in your in your work, how would you get them to embrace this positive way of thinking because it is one of those things that holds so many people back isn’t it the self limiting thoughts how to change so that they do have those tools before they go to bed and they wake up the next morning?
Johanna Derbolowsky [29:38]
You get to know yourself? So what I do, and also you know, basically what my book the transformation promises is about is getting to know yourself, then you find out why am I in this situation, what all entails let’s say you have a job that you don’t want to go to every day. That’s really me. miserable. Why do you have this job you have this job to support your mortgage, your rent your kids, your family, the food on the table, whatever it is, you become aware of everything that is connected to that. Not just I hate my job but I hate my job I’m doing this why exactly what all what, what all is attached to it. And a lot of times, you don’t want to give up what’s attached to it. And then you become aware of it and you say, Okay, I am willing to do this really miserable job because I like what it gives me at the moment, so then that is a choice. And it’s a way of getting to know yourself and then you can say okay, but I would like to have a place that I actually like to go to Still have all that
and you play around with it.
And you look you did the opening comes with the awareness. Because you’ve used up just in that thought like, Oh, I hate my job, I’m going to it I hate my job, the universe rearranges itself to accommodate your picture of reality. And that means what you your picture of reality is what you create more off, where your focuses is what will increase if your focuses I hate my job then no matter where you go, you hate your job.
David Ralph [31:39]
So So the key thing because I’m not sure if I fought about that before, but people who are in situations need to think, what is it about this situation that’s keeping me there.
Johanna Derbolowsky [31:54]
I think that’s very important. If you want to consciously change something again, then you’re not fully And just responding but you know, you know, it may not be bad to be in a bad job if it gives you everything you want in return.
David Ralph [32:13]
And is that something that people can consciously do just from listening to this conversation? Or is this something that they need help with people who are lost, and a lot of my listeners are, that’s why they listen to these shows on a daily basis, because they’re trying to find the angle to find the life that they want. Can they do this on their own is it is a simple thing to really just focus in on getting a piece of paper sitting there and really thinking about their life and jotting things down and questions down and posing questions to themselves.
Johanna Derbolowsky [32:50]
Well, I actually got that question a lot from clients and also at workshops, you know, how can we do it on our own and yes, you can do it on your own. It’s always easier If you have somebody, some partner to do things with somebody that holds you accountable, because we’re really, really objective with ourselves. I mean, excuses come really easy. I don’t know about you, but if I want to excuse some sort of my behaviour, they come easy. But if you have a partner that says, hey, listen, don’t you know bs me here. This is not actually what’s happening. It makes it it makes it easier and to have somebody objective there, but you can do it on your own. And I gave that a lot of thought. And when I wrote my book, I divided it up into three parts. You have a physical structure, which is your body, physical healing, and your house, your car, everything that’s tangible. And you become aware of the connection and what you do with that. And then you have the mental emotional structure and that is your job, your social life, your everything. These things are all connected. And then you have the third one is the spiritual structure. And that’s your belief system. And that’s everything that you have an opinion about comes from yourself, if you have an opinion about a thing that is you comes from your belief system. And that’s where we’re the most rigid. So we really need to exam does that work for me?
David Ralph [34:26]
And can people change their beliefs because beliefs have grown up over years and years and years and years.
Johanna Derbolowsky [34:33]
That’s the I, in my experience, the most difficult one to change people even though it can change in an instant because the only thing we have to do is change the thought. So technically, it’s the easiest to shift but in reality, it’s where we are the most rigid and where we really hold on but when we can change our thought patterns and our beliefs and expect anthem and include something bigger. Immediately everything in our lives will open up
David Ralph [35:08]
is amazing. Isn’t it mindset? Everything seems to come down to mindset as you’ve been saying all the way through this conversation. And it seems to be the people that achieve greatness almost can’t believe that they’re going to fail. And that’s that’s, that’s a hell of a rocket powder strapped to your back, isn’t it?
Johanna Derbolowsky [35:30]
Yeah. And people that have mastered that make it look very easy. And that’s where I think something like the secret is misleading a little bit because it takes discipline. disciplining Your mind is a very
tricky task. You really need to be in charge of your thoughts.
David Ralph [35:58]
People on Ave The bear, so wrapped up in social media and Facebook and TV and everything that’s going around. It’s very rare nowadays or maybe it’s not as rare. But it seems to be about people are in touch with their faults. It’s almost like that folks aren’t given the chance to come out because there’s so much noise going on.
Johanna Derbolowsky [36:26]
I think. Yeah, I mean, definitely, it’s easier if you’re in a monastery surrounded by people that think the way you think it’s going to be easier to keep your thoughts on the right track than it is if you’re bombarded by news and negative things all the time to stay focused and think positive is it’s a challenge. And to be in that space of complete peace with yourself, is well, it’s attainable, but it takes an enormous amount of discipline. And, you know, I just challenge you to try it, try it for an hour, try for an hour to not have one negative thought.
David Ralph [37:12]
I think I try it all the time To be honest, I this is not often but I have a negative thought in my head. Now when I’m having these conversations, I will quite often pose questions. I believe other people might be thinking if they’re listening to create the interview, but actually in my own head, it’s very rare but I have a negative thought at all. I’m a great believer that things are going to be great and things are gonna get better and just things are good. Just things are good in the world.
Johanna Derbolowsky [37:45]
Well, that’s really good for you, but I don’t think that many people have that. And then that’s the question what is a really positive thought what is you know, a neutral thought where you know, you Figure out where you draw the line. But I think a lot of people said they read the newspaper they see something horrible. You already have a negative thought.
David Ralph [38:10]
I don’t read the newspaper.
Johanna Derbolowsky [38:13]
That’s definitely helpful.
David Ralph [38:15]
Yeah. And I don’t listen to the news either. I don’t I don’t do any of that. I’ve got no idea what’s happening in the world really, unless something amazing happens a big story and then you find out anyway.
Johanna Derbolowsky [38:26]
Yeah, and I think that’s really good. But we’re talking about people that are out there in the regular day to day world. They are bombarded with negativity, negativity and negative thoughts all the time. And to stay completely out of judgement and positive when you are bombarded. That that is, it’s a challenge. However, if you can manage to do it while you are completely engulfed in the world, You’re a master.
David Ralph [39:03]
So if we sort of took the nuts and bolts of this conversation down, if people start off their day, in a positive way, and they’re determined, and they’re positive, and now focused on the reasons why we’re in situations and what they’re getting out of those situations, and obviously visiting, the quick fix isn’t that you’re not going to listen to this and do this overnight. But is that a good starting point for them to make changes in their life?
Johanna Derbolowsky [39:32]
That’s a very good starting point to make changes and also to just know,
we as a human race, we do things for our benefit. And what people don’t realise a lot of times is that we do energies energy, there is no positive or negative energy really its energy and it negative energy boost feel just as empowering as a positive energy boost.
what we want to look at is to what do we get out of being in a situation we don’t like because we’ll always get something out of it, what’s the benefits?
So let’s say
you are, if you’re talking about healing, a physical disease or so, you you have to first figure out what are the benefits of the disease people take care of you people feel sorry for you. There’s a lot of stuff that actually feeds you in in having an ailment. And when you awareness comes into what are the benefits of it, that’s when you consciously can say, Okay, I don’t need these benefits. The same as You if you’re in it in a job that you complain about a lot, because you really miserable. You immediately have a social life. When you’re out in the world, and somebody says, Hello, how are you? And you say, Hey, I’m great things couldn’t be better. It’s usually the last sentence. The only response to that is like good for you. But if you say like, Oh, I am so miserable, this and this, and this happened today, then the other person will say, Oh, my God, how terrible for you, and you get sympathy and everything.
Do you see? Do you see what I’m saying? I see totally
David Ralph [41:38]
what you’re saying.
Johanna Derbolowsky [41:39]
So to our misery, there’s a lot of benefits.
And when you understand that you don’t want those benefits, because you’d rather say, Hey, I’m doing great. Thanks for asking. I hope you’re doing great to see you later.
Because now I don’t have the conversation piece.
When you find was that and you take feeling good.
And that is,
you know, being where you want to be, you can be there.
David Ralph [42:12]
I used to work with a lady that every morning she would moan and groan about stuff and she would she’s a lovely lady really lovely, but she was just so negative, and that she everything would go bad in her life. And we used to say to her, you know, it’s because of your attitude is your attitude and she was saying, No, no, these things just happen these happen. But there was a part of it that she almost liked to be out to share the story of the unfortunate had occurred her due to the juiciness of it there was there was a story that she could tell of how her life was bad. And she could almost justify the fact that her life was bad because of all these stories. And it was she got kind of trapped in that circle of the more negative she was the worst things happened. And then the worse things happen, the more negative she was, and he fulfilled something, you know.
Johanna Derbolowsky [43:05]
Yeah, and we are we’re, we’re people and be like stories because our life is the story and we want to we, we want to engage. And you know that if you don’t have this story to tell us things is still going to happen. And it means it’s good to also, you know, talk about and get somebody else’s input on that. And that’s why the whole you know, psychology field was created so that people actually, you know, can get help to get out of it. And things happen to bad bad things happen everywhere, and they can happen. But again, it is your your response to it. And you can share it but be aware of it. Be aware of what happens when you share it.
David Ralph [43:54]
And this is something about the quantum Hartfield experience that you created. Is there a lot of sharing and story retelling within that building when people get together
Johanna Derbolowsky [44:06]
No, the quantum Hartfield experience that I’m talking about is to let it all go and you just get into go into your heart centre and go actually into the very centre of you where you feel connected, connected to oneness where you feel connected to everything where you are a cell in this giant organism of
and when you go just for a moment in there and you feel that connection, everything else falls away. I mean even life is not important at that moment. And you’re in that moment of enlightenment or peace. And I think everybody can can go there very quickly. You may not be able to hold it longer limit split second or a nanosecond or something like that. But you can go there and once you have exceeded That, you know, it exists, the moment you experience it, you know it exists and it becomes an addiction.
David Ralph [45:08]
And how do you get that, that feeling so easily Ben? Is it something you’ve got to be taught? Is it something that just happens because of the environment you’re in? How does that occur?
Johanna Derbolowsky [45:19]
I’m, um, there are different ways of I mean, I talk people through that or you just sit down and you just go and you focus on what I call the god seed, which is this little dot that everybody has. It’s like a little golden seed. And it’s inside the very core of ourselves. And that is connected to everything. And so you just envision yourself going, actually into that seed. And that sort of like the seed already has the tree and the next generation of trees and the next generation of trees that everything is encompassed in that
The potential for all of creation is in that.
David Ralph [46:05]
And every single one of us has this seed inside us.
Johanna Derbolowsky [46:08]
David Ralph [46:10]
And where is it in our heart in our brain?
Unknown Speaker [46:13]
Johanna Derbolowsky [46:15]
it’s, it’s in the heart centre and that it’s in, you know, in our energetic heart centre. It’s in the energetic centre of us.
David Ralph [46:27]
It’s fascinating, fascinating stuff. I’m going to play the words of Steve Jobs now, which is the theme of the show. That’s why we call it Join Up Dots because I am fascinating, fascinated to hear whether your belief your faith in the journey is matches up with what he was saying in these words that he said back in 2005. This is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [46:47]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college, but it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward. You can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path, and that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [47:22]
So to buy into those words, Joanna
Johanna Derbolowsky [47:25]
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I call that faith and trust and things always work out. No, they do.
David Ralph [47:33]
And what would be your big dot vein in that timeline when you change direction or but Joanna but you are now starting to find yourself
Johanna Derbolowsky [47:44]
I think it was lots of little dots. There was not one gigantic doc. It was just, you know, mostly I just put one foot in front of the other because I have found myself most of My life in situations where I couldn’t see two steps ahead.
David Ralph [48:07]
And that’s how life is, isn’t it? One step after another and the people that get somewhere are the ones that have taken more steps
Johanna Derbolowsky [48:15]
and being okay with uncertainty. I think my biggest thing is uncertainty is really there all the time, but making it your friend. We don’t know what’s going to happen tomorrow. I mean, I don’t know if there’s going to be an earthquake happening, you know, or something and it’ll completely change everything I have planned or
you know what happens when you walk across the street? You don’t know.
David Ralph [48:45]
And so when you like that, do you do like that uncertainty? Do you feel comfortable with it?
Johanna Derbolowsky [48:50]
No, of course not. I don’t feel uncomfortable with it. But I have decided to make it my friend and to see that I don’t know what bad things can happen in a moment. I don’t know what good things can happen in a moment. So I really don’t know.
David Ralph [49:09]
But But should you make something your friend Ben, you’re comfortable with it on you?
Johanna Derbolowsky [49:15]
Yeah, I mean, now, I mean, I work I’m working hard on that one, to really be comfortable with living in uncertainty.
David Ralph [49:26]
And so so where’s life going to take you now even talking about being uncertain in the future? Are you going to be doing the same? Are you going to write more books? Are you what’s on your plan?
Johanna Derbolowsky [49:39]
I am working on another book. But make me take me a while or may go fast. I don’t know yet. It’s evolving at the moment. And my kids are about out of school. So there’s a whole world opening up and I have no idea where it Gonna take me
David Ralph [50:01]
and you you like that or you’re just accepting of it
Johanna Derbolowsky [50:07]
there’s a certain certain amount of freedom with it but I like that this this part of raising a family is Yeah, it’s coming to an end. So until the grand kids are so come in Yeah, I enjoyed that part. I enjoyed the opening up part.
David Ralph [50:32]
I think that’s the exciting part of life as well don’t you the not knowing what’s around the corner. I always like going into cities and not knowing where I’m going just exploring finding stuff.
Johanna Derbolowsky [50:44]
Yeah, do I love that too? Yeah. So so I don’t know and I’m open to what is going to happen. There’s certain things that I know will always be there and that’s a status my my my belief in myself Faith in
the divine the universe.
And that one way or another things will work out.
David Ralph [51:11]
Absolutely. That’s the way it should be. Well, this, this is the end of the show. Now, Joanna. And this is the part that we call the Sermon on the mic. And this is when I send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back and speak to the young Joanna, what age would you choose and what advice would you give? Well, we’re gonna find out because I’m gonna play the theme tune and when it fades you up. This is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [51:38]
We go with the best bit of the show.
Johanna Derbolowsky [51:58]
If I go back in time I would choose four year old to Hannah. And my my words to her would be just know that no matter what hardship and things are happening and thrown it you know that things will always work out and we will be all right.
Just keep your focus on.
keep you focused on your trust. Keep your focus on your faith and put one step in front of the other and there’s no mistakes really this just experiences and see everything as an experience and experience it’s necessary to lead to the next experience and some experience are harder and they’re going to be more painful and others are more joyful. But all they are is experiences.
David Ralph [52:54]
Joanna How can our audience connect with you?
Johanna Derbolowsky [52:59]
I have a Science called quantum hartfield.com Quantum as in physics hard as the thing beating in your chest and field is in a field of flowers. And that has contact information on there. And also my book the transformation promise has Facebook page is available on Amazon and or wherever ebook ebooks are sold.
And I have a Facebook page
to Hannah throuple offski. So that’s
and I work with people more mostly pretty much entirely over the phone or Skype so I’m available for international clients. And this summer Yeah, this summer I’m gonna be teaching some workshops in Germany, the dates are not exactly said. So I’ll be in Europe for a little bit
David Ralph [53:59]
more We’ll have all the links on the show notes. Joanna, thank you so much for spending time with us today and joining those dots. And please come back again when you have more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our pass is the best way to build our futures. Joanna, thank you so much.
Johanna Derbolowsky [54:15]
Thank you, David been an honour to be on your show.
Unknown Speaker [54:20]
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