Welcome To the Join Up Dots Podcast with Michelle Joni
Introducing Michelle Joni
Michelle Joni is todays guest on the Join Up Dots business coaching podcast.
She has a fascinating tale that has lead to a success that many adults might stop for a moment and ponder why and how has that occurred?
She is the owner and founder of a skipping club in New York city, whereby she arranges groups of people to get together and go on skipping adventures.
And when we say skipping, yep it is as you might be imagining.
It’s the type of hopscotching, kid type of skipping which is going down a storm around the streets of New York, but you may not have done it for years.
Each outing, which includes a few pit stops along the way, is centred on a topic of the week, such as the Beatles or Valentines Day, and a bit of dressing up to match that theme is required.
And this for many would sound dreadful, but for others (me included) sounds fun, enjoyable and a fear smasher.
How The Dots Joined For Michelle
Skip your way around New York and literally change your life whilst your doing it.
Don’t be worried about what other people think, but just do your thing, and love doing it.
And that statement really empashises what todays guest is doing through to her core.
From working at Vogue and Saks, to creating an online game, to help her experience every amazing thing NYC had to offer, to wearing an afro for months on end and writing about it .
She is a lady on a mission, doing things her own way, and loving it.
So did she always have this energy of creative fun in her life?
And why does she think that the world is by and large frightened of enjoying themselves, and looking for ways to enjoy themselves whilst earning at the same time?
Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Michelle Joni.
During the show we discussed such weighty topics such as:
How you learn in life that you can find playfulness in all areas and situations and that is the key to enjoying the moment.
Why she feels that community is the new guru, and to try to surround yourself with people who are inspired by your actions.
Why she never felt that her values could be matched when working in corporate roles.
How she loves to start dancing and performing on trains to leave a message of “You all can do this too!”
Why her mantra is “Change your outfit to change the world” and believes whole heartedly on taking creative decisions with our images.
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Full Transcription Of Michelle Joni Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes, hello, bear again. Well, it is me is David Ralph, and this is Join Up Dots actually Episode 263. And we are going to deliver a brilliant show today. I’ve been researching this lady for about a week now. And she is a guest who has a fascinating towel that has led to a success that many items might stop for a moment and ponder why and how has that occurred. She’s the owner and founder of escaping club in New York City whereby she arranged these groups of people to get together and go on skipping adventures and yeah, welcome Say skipping it is as you might be imagining, is a type of hopscotching kid type of skipping, which is going down a storm around the streets of New York, but you may not have done it for years. Each outing which includes a few pit stops along the way is centred on a topic of the week such as the Beatles or Valentine’s Day, and a bit of dressing up to match that theme is required. And this for many would sound dreadful buffalo offers me included that officially sounds fun, enjoyable, and a fierce Mattia, skip your way around New York and literally change your life whilst you’re doing it. Don’t be worried about what other people think. Just go out and do your own thing and love doing it. And that statement really emphasises what today’s guest is doing through to her core from working at Vogue and Saks, to creating an online game to help her experience every amazing thing New York City had to offer to wearing an afro for months on end and writing about it. She’s a lady on a mission doing things her own way and loving it. So did she always have this energy of creative fun in her life and why does she think that The world is by and large frightened of enjoying themselves and looking for ways to enjoy themselves whilst earning at the same time. Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start Join Up Dots with the one and only Michelle Joni, how are you, Michelle?
Michelle Joni [2:14]
I am fabulous. Oh, thank you so much for the beautiful introduction. Thank you.
David Ralph [2:20]
Well, you kind of wrote it is it’s about you. It’s you it’s you
Michelle Joni [2:24]
probably why I like it so much.
David Ralph [2:26]
weaved into a wonderful way it is. I’m gonna cut to the chase. Michelle, you you’re fun gal. Even before we started talking, you were talking about fun. And as you said, fun is a farm. And when you get into adulthood, and we’re both adults, you kind of well for many people, they forget that life should be fun, and it becomes all a bit serious. So why are you different from the norm?
Michelle Joni [2:52]
Wow, fun is fun. And I guess why am I different from the norm. I see everything as a chance to To be expressed, to create magic to have a connection with somebody, you know, we, we often walk around going from point A to point B or getting this mission done and completing something or, you know, just having that sense of accomplishment. And it’s really the magic lies in all the things when you’re getting there and, and especially in this time of year, we’re all at so many goals we want to get to, and it’s about doing it in the most playful, fun way possible. And for me, I’ve just happened to be able to make that kind of my whole world is like being in these playful, playful things. It’s
David Ralph [3:41]
great, though, isn’t it to play? I think all the successful people and I talked about this on, you know, most shows, really, that the guys that are really out there doing their thing earning the big bucks, are this close to playing as you would hope to get. They’re playing to their strengths. They’re playing to their interests. They’re having fun because they are creating or they’re doing things their own way. But that does seem to be the vast majority of people in the world, but don’t realise that that actually, in my view is what we should be aiming for. We should be aiming for the playful, we should be aiming for the playground of life, even in our adult bodies.
Michelle Joni [4:17]
Yeah, it’s skipping club, we go to playgrounds, there are adults climbing on playgrounds going down slides. And, yeah, it’s like when you can viscerally do that with your body, you know, I’m a lot a lot of what I do is dancing, skipping its movement, and being able to get into just that pure centre and move into your body, even if it’s stretching. Like I’m stretching right now at my desk. Actually, I’m like standing on tippy toes, and stretching my legs and I’m standing up tall. And when we get into our bodies, we remember that we really just are these playful beings and we can do anything
David Ralph [4:58]
that we want to be You say that but people don’t do they, they go through the education system. They’re the young kids, they’re running around, they’re laughing. They go through the education system, and then it all begins, it becomes a bit serious happens.
Michelle Joni [5:11]
Yeah, it gets really serious. Um,
you know, I babysit a five year old and she’s very magical. She just turned five. And that’s actually this whole transition from 2014 to 2015. And CD who’s five and my nieces who are also just turned five. I kind of dip into this mindset of a five year old of like this four and five year olds. And when you can see, I guess, like when we can, if we can look back at ourselves, and we were that age more often, and kind of remember how things were. We can approach life from a more playful way and even things that are mundane Can you can take it I but I guess it’s like Yeah, you have to like find that place.
David Ralph [6:02]
So So what do your babysitting episodes teach you? Because as it’s true, what you say is when you’re a parent, and you’re watching your kids, I teach you more than potentially you can teach them. So when you’re spending time with these five year olds, does it just sort of go, yes, I’m on track? Or do you look at different ways of doing it because there’s, there’s a freeness of being a child, which is right, because you are children.
Michelle Joni [6:26]
It’s like before you develop that sense of, if people are going to judge you, and so you see this really intuitive process, where they say what they feel and they just stay what they means. And they indulge in their imaginations and they want to be playing in there. They want to be, you know, thinking of how to imagine how to do things. And so you learn that you can approach big people situations in that way of
you know, curiosity
David Ralph [7:02]
and his curiosity a big thing about you Have you always been curious even as a small child were you the person that if you were taken to a zoo you was always for cages along because you wanted to see what lives around the next corner?
Michelle Joni [7:17]
Oh no was I have a kind of I’m looking at actually as he said that I’m looking at this bag with cats on it and so now I’m just thinking about cats at the zoo but normally have cats at the zoo today because
big cats they don’t have like I guess they’re like little kitty that’s what pet stores are for.
This is Zoo will actually took safety to the zoo and what I don’t know I you know it’s hard to like really. Kiss It is hard to remember how we were as children and so you do have to watch and you do have to be around that source to to to remember to pull it back. And yeah, it’s like, and skipping is like the perfect example of how to go back to that.
David Ralph [8:06]
What it is, and it’s funny actually, when I realised he was coming on the show, I was on a weekend away and be sort of connection came through. And that morning, I was walking across a car park with my wife. And I said, Come on, let’s skip. And she said, No, I’m not skipping. I said, Come on. You can’t not skip and not smile, it’s going to make you smile. And as a 44 year old male, and I won’t say how old she is, in case she’s listening. When we skipped across this playground and you could see people looking at us like we were idiots, but it does make you happy. You can’t skip and not feel happy, can you because it is that you’re throwing away those those that shackles that hold you down to say that life should be serious. You’re almost saying look, I’m willing to be stupid deal with it world and you skip and you feel happy and free. When when you created skipping club, there must have been a big part of you that when this is a fun idea because I will like it. But you must also had a big fault that though the hell is going to like this as well because people generally don’t go skipping around the cities today.
Michelle Joni [9:16]
I know that first. Okay, so when I first started it, I thought of it just on my way to a manicure and started it the next week, I went skipping down the street. And as I was skipping, it was like my body just like did it to get out of the cold. And it was this wave of magic and glitter. But just like all these people just looking at me like in this way, that wasn’t so much. It felt very, like people were opening up around me as I skipped by and so that’s why that was like the impetus for creating it. It just created this magic around it. And But yeah, I was I didn’t think anybody I mean I had posted on Facebook, that skipping was underrated. And all these people were like, yeah, skipping is underrated. And that first class that I did the next week, I totally like, I was like, you have to come to this and I was recruiting. I was like, please, please, like begging friends to just meet me at this corner. We’re going to skip it’s going to be great. Trust me. And I got five people to come to that first skip. And it was it was it was a magical. There was my goodness. There’s like so many different stories I can tell right now. But Dude, what? Yeah, skipping. It’s
what else? Yeah, skipping is so
the photographer from humans of New York.
Was there at that first skip and took my picture. And it set off this whole that’s how like the community first started, but how
David Ralph [10:57]
did you overcome that? failure. One of the things we talk about on Join Up Dots is taking that first step. And most of the time, you have a first step and you go, Wow, this would be great. But then the second step is you
Michelle Joni [11:10]
have a first skip. Yeah,
David Ralph [11:12]
you have a third escape. Yeah. And then the second skip is when you mentally start going, it’s not gonna work. Everyone’s gonna think I’m stupid. It’s gonna cost me too much money. It’s gonna cost me some bad. And by doing what you did, it is it is a fear smasher, isn’t it? It literally is a base measure. You are teaching people, I would say, more than many life coaches to actually take control of their lives and do things because they want to because they’re putting themselves in that position that the whole world is going to look at them and smile, because it’s an unusual thing. So when you did that, that first thought come into your head, how did you perceive through to actually go now I’m actually going to do this. It might fall flat on its face, but I’m going to do this.
Michelle Joni [11:58]
I guess that’s where my My four and five year old tendencies come in and that like I really wasn’t scared. I didn’t think for a minute that it wouldn’t work. I didn’t think for a minute that people wouldn’t catch on. Because I just I just knew that it was going to be awesome. And like, the second I thought of it, I guess, I guess I just have to I have so many ideas that I and so many things like blogs that I’ve started and things that I’ve things that I’ve done in four different clients and personal projects. It’s because I have ideas. And then I’m like, yeah, I’m going to do this. And I don’t have I don’t go in with a fear that maybe a lot of people do. And sometimes it gets me into trouble. And sometimes it’s
it turns out pretty cool. And I just kind of see where it takes me. Can I read out a
David Ralph [12:49]
part of an email that you sent me because I thought it was fascinating the way you phrased this because so many people who are moving forward in their life. Start with the kind Simon Sonic, start with your why. But what you said in your emails I’m going to read out is more about you’re willing to do stuff, and then ponder why you did it afterwards and not be held back. So I’m just going to read this if you allow me to do this. Yeah, I live every day in a printing puzzle to connect the dots and magical fantasy world where I’m writing the story as I go, where gifts and sartorial clues guide my choices, because I see the grand constellation. So clearly, I’ve yet to discover all the soda systems but more and more becomes clear every day. My job and this is the key part, all the listeners out there. My job is to route into the why of all the things I am doing to keep expanding my mind. And to keep being an art piece. I feel blessed to say that my days consist of making shit happen in the arenas of all my wild creative passions, being paid to get big revolution Lee message out messages out into the world in various glamorous places. packages Wow, that that when I read that I kind of I was reading about nine different emails at the same time and I read that one and I went back and looked at it afterwards because I thought that is a total different mindset isn’t it? You’re not starting with my why you’re going out and finding your wife which is um he’s always been your thing
Michelle Joni [14:24]
about yeah you know before this call I actually with my internet was down all morning and I like got on right before this call. And so I kind of understood this headspace of like, you know, business minded or just like, Ah, you know, that panic mode. And you just brought me back to this such a moment of when I felt so much clarity in all of it and yeah, it’s it’s something that you
have I always been
It’s a process it’s a it’s an evolution really,
you know, community
there’s kind of the whole the community is the new guru.
Creating a community
is like where I’m finding the source, like my sources, I guess and, and coming into a sense of the, what I have to say is like super important, you know, and the things that we’re doing are super important and we can all kind of take our own, you know, our own stuff and say it’s not important in my vision isn’t important, but then you kind of look around you and you have people who need your gifts and that’s kind of the key is like everybody can, everybody has gifts and it’s just a matter of if you’re able to If you are connecting with the people who need it and really tapping into what those gifts are,
David Ralph [16:08]
let me play some words from Jim Carrey and we play this generally every episode, but um, it really emphasises what we’re talking about here. This is Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey [16:17]
My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [16:44]
What you certainly are. So the question I want to ask is, your parents were a very different is a very different from you. Are you somebody that is the risk taker in your family? Do they understand what you’re about
Michelle Joni [16:59]
my Dad started a Beatles festival 40 years ago. And my parents run with the whole family Actually, we run Beatles festivals. And we have the biggest Beatles mail order business in the world. And it’s like beetle. I’ve been like a Beatles child since the beginning. And my dad really went out and like, took a huge risk to create his company. And he got the blessing of john lennon to john said, I’m all for it. I’m a Beatles fan too. And he started the dough fast. And you know, that has always been such an inspirational part of my life, like knowing that I come from a place where my dad created, took his passion, The Beatles and just created a life that involved just
Unknown Speaker [17:53]
the Beatles and golf and
Michelle Joni [17:58]
that’s, it is Yeah, so I’ve that’s how I’ve, you know, that’s my mindset and like anything is possible. My dad, like, met john lennon in his hotel room and like told him his idea. There’s no there’s absolutely no limits anything we can do my dad, it was it was all it was all you know, series serendipitous things that happen to lead them to that moment and and if we just follow our hearts and let them guide us and believe in ourselves that any that we can take a passion of ours whatever it is that we love, love, love, love and do it. Like we can do it. So so you want to jump
David Ralph [18:42]
into those words that Jim Carrey say, is that key to your life?
Michelle Joni [18:47]
Which ones in particular,
David Ralph [18:49]
but you should always take a risk and doing the things that you love.
Michelle Joni [18:53]
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it’s like it’s the greatest risk you could ever take. You could You could
you could go your whole life and just
do the things that other people are expecting. Right? And I’m playing by the rules that other people create. And I don’t necessarily think that everybody has, you know, playing within the rules that other people create is a fun game for a lot of people. And so, if you’re, that’s okay. And then there are people who make who invent new rules and you and new ideas and bring their magic and it’s like a different everybody has that in them. It’s just like a different way of I guess it’s like a domino. You’re like the dominant kind or like more of a submissive, like state within a certain boundary, but everybody has this, yes, you take a risk on what you love. And you’ll find a way there in your way it’ll be, it’ll be your own special path, and you’ll get there.
David Ralph [20:18]
You said something interesting in that statement that so many people play the game of doing what other people expected. And that that really is how life is, isn’t it? You go through the education system, and you do what your teachers tell you and you come out and you do what your parents tell you. And when you go into jobs, and you do what your boss tells you. And I’m finding more often, but not if you get to the nitty gritty. People don’t want to be told what to do. They don’t want to live their life. And I mentioned this over time now because it really hit home as being an awful book to read, but I’m definitely gonna read it. And there was a chap who went around and he spoke to hundred people on their deathbed. And he said to them, you know, what is your number one regret. And they literally all said that I spent my life living it because of other people. I’m not living a life on this planet for and you take away all the skipping around New York and doing the things that you’re doing. You are still living your life, aren’t you? You might be doing it in different areas and channelling your passions into different sort of focuses, but you’re still doing what’s right for you. And that’s the key message to Join Up Dots. That’s what people should be doing out there. They should be looking deep within themselves. And wherever it takes 10 years, 15 years, 20 years, they should start trying stuff because one day, something’s going to resonate. And that is the moment when they find their authentic self. And that’s when it all comes together somehow. When did you realise it? We went back in time as we do on Join Up Dots and you The young Michelle, when did Michelle realised that there was a life to be had that wasn’t conventional? It wasn’t going through the corporate route and you you had been through the corporate route, but then you you always seem to be pulling away from it and wanting to do your own thing. Was it not a natural fit for you? Were you on the path that was expected? Like so many other people?
Michelle Joni [22:27]
Yeah, I, I was in the corporate thing for Yeah, like, five, you know, four or five years and it really came down to I, my, my morals, my visions, and my I bleed with ideas on the way that things could be and I want to make things happen and it Kind of never fully aligned with a company like they’re just I couldn’t fit that in and
Unknown Speaker [23:08]
I know that there’s a
Michelle Joni [23:12]
there’s just that the boss and me you know that that needing to be in charge of my own ship and and destiny and path and
and creating it myself
David Ralph [23:27]
so so when I was five or six years with a difficult or were you just in limbo land going
Michelle Joni [23:34]
let me say like one of those jobs I was a spa editor and so my job was actually to get received massages and facials and connect people with spas around the country. It was like, I mean, I loved dog. I love my corporate jobs like i was i was i did a lot of internships at Vogue and Conde Nast, traveller and Glamour magazine. I do you know, so The spot that spot job was, it was it was a really cool opportunity. And it really, like so many so much of it did align with me. But I guess like, in the end like, the the overwhelming feeling was like, no matter how much you can, you can love be a certain company for a lot of you know, being at a company is so great if you can love the company, and you can do your thing, but you have to be able to be doing your thing in such a way that it feels so right for you in all areas. And if it doesn’t feel right for you in all areas, then you you know, you have to feel that and I think that’s what it really is. It’s not necessarily going off and doing your own thing. It’s like, do you feel aligned in in all of it.
David Ralph [24:51]
So so we’ll Are you blessed though were you blessed to find that feeling burning strongly in you? Because I think so i think he was well, because, you know, you’re still a young lady. But I know people in their 60s and 70s that still haven’t found that passion that made him go out and try stuff.
Unknown Speaker [25:13]
Unknown Speaker [25:15]
Yeah. I mean
Michelle Joni [25:19]
it’s you have passions that some people find their passion by playing guitar and and just kind of strumming away at it and keeping it to themselves. And some people take it and they play at a cafe. And they show and they show their work. And some people believe that they, you know, should be in a band and then they take the guitar and they make it part of a group. And some people believe that they aren’t just going to strum this guitar. But they’re going to be the rock star. And it’s that decision that you make and how you want to take your passions and how far you can want to go with it and, and how, how much you can how much you believe in yourself.
David Ralph [26:19]
But as courageous, isn’t it, you you wanted to be the rock star and you become the rock star. And the fact that, you know, we’ve been talking very positively about the things that you’re doing and the fact that you are very authentic to yourself. But as I’ve been researching you, there’s quite a lot of people on the internet, but I’ve said some quite nasty things about you as well. Because you’re out there and you’re doing your thing, and they look at that and they go, I’m going to pull her back in because I’m not doing this and so I’m going to sit in my cubicle and I’m just gonna slack off because she’s out there doing stuff. Do you find that difficult to deal with when you sort of go on the web and you see Well, I’ve read
Michelle Joni [27:03]
Yeah, it definitely shakes you up. And
I think that every interaction is every person has something to teach you. And so while you know, I try not to look at things like oh, that’s, that’s, like that makes me feel like small or whatever there, you know, or that it more like there’s always a lesson in it. There’s always like, what can I learn from what that person has to say? And if something does make me upset, then there’s truth there that I want to, you know, understand. And then but like a lot of times, you just have to just like shake it off and, and, like understand that not everybody’s gonna Get what you’re doing that everyone’s gonna like it and just keep keep doing it.
David Ralph [28:05]
But it’s a badge of honour, isn’t it really to, to have these critical comments thrown your way it’s because you are visible is because you lifted your head above the parapet and you’re having a look around and, and people don’t like that you rarely get critical comments from people above you, you know, you’re not going to get Richard Branson slagging you off, you’re not going to get Donald Trump, you’re not going to get Mark Cuban and all these kind of people, but you will get people lower down, who haven’t decided to do what you are doing. And they are going to try and hold you in place. And that’s one of the things that stops people in their tracks when they have this idea. And they say it to the person sitting next to them. I’ve had this idea, but I’m going to do whatever, and the person says, Now if it was that easy, everybody would do it or now you’ll be here in five years time. You’re never Gonna do it and it just kills that passionate idea of instantly. And I love the fact that you are getting critical comments because it means that you are being noticed and that’s what it’s all about surely.
Michelle Joni [29:15]
Yeah, it comes with the package.
You know, it is that
I do have a tendency to rouse something in people and it it’s, it’s an A, I use that I try to use that in like, the best ways that I can, you know, like, really creating that spark like helping people turn their turn their spark on or get into a more centred place.
David Ralph [29:50]
Is that your number one talent. You mentioned earlier about communities and new guru and the ability to inspire people to do stuff in a group mentality. That is where power comes, isn’t it? You know, if you look back at, I suppose I don’t want to phrase you as the same as Hitler, but he could express himself in a way that a whole country followed him and there’s that that’s the power within. And so for the fact that you’ve got this ability to switch a spark and get people inspired to as adults go up slides and climb down and do all that kind of stuff. That is a key essence to you isn’t Michelle, isn’t that your thing?
Michelle Joni [30:32]
Yeah, it’s it is, that is, you know, I, it comes through in a lot of different ways and what I do,
yeah, that’s really what it is. It’s help. It’s
it’s connecting with people to
live in them to be their highest self. Yeah.
David Ralph [30:58]
This is an excellent, you could do this. You always Have you always been a new life
Unknown Speaker [31:04]
Unknown Speaker [31:06]
because I know one of my
Michelle Joni [31:07]
friends one of my friends middle school she thinks me forever for being the first to introduce her to sushi
so you know I think I think I had it in me
so he like the credited like fighting Yeah, it was like when sushi was getting started I was like guys sushi and then we’d all like be going to sushi place after school like hit down like salmon avocado rolls for it was cool. Yeah, I think I think I get people excited about things.
David Ralph [31:39]
And if you can do that, on a wider sense, there’s been this huge value isn’t isn’t there that that’s where a business is formed when you can inspire people to take action and do things their way and feel good about themselves. Is is a real talent, isn’t it? It’s a real blessing that you’ve been given and you are moving into areas but playing To the things that you love doing as well into the playful essence that people perhaps wouldn’t go into, except for your encouragement to push them in. And that’s why I said earlier, what you’re doing about skipping through America and New York is probably more powerful than any life coach out there. Because it’s public fear confronting, isn’t it? And once you can confront those public fears, you’ve really got a head start to do anything you want. Because you are out there, you’re being noticed. And once you, you know that people are noticing you and you’re comfortable with it, then life is pretty good, I think.
Michelle Joni [32:38]
Yeah, totally. And that’s when that’s one of my my favourite feedback that I get from, from people who’ve come skipping is that it helps them in other areas of their life. They’re like, Well, you know, I just I thought of, you know, the fact that I went skipping and it helped me not be afraid to go over to this group of people and it just it helps people Apply it to skipping through other areas of their life and being bold and being noticed, not being afraid to be noticed. No hiding in our, in our shells and afraid to be seen. But you know, we’re all we’re all the same and we’re all we can all skip, you know, one of the things that I love to do is when I’m on the subway going, going somewhere, I usually bring speakers with me just like put on a song and get everybody and you know, like, there’s just kind of music vibing And oftentimes, they’ll get up and I’ll just stretch it out and sometimes I end up you know, doing full on dance and I’ll I use the subway as a place to practice for my shows. I’ll practice songs. I’ll be like, sorry, guys. I’m going to do this one a few times. You know, it just brings people together and people start singing with me and dancing sometimes and, and it’s, it’s just like a fun community building thing that’s just okay. And I sometimes I miss my stop because I’m having so much fun with everybody. And that’s it and like, and before I leave the subway car, I almost always day and I just want to remind you that any one of you could do this to know this isn’t just like any one of you can do this dance, it’s not illegal, it’s awesome, you can actually do this. And just that reminder that I I feel really blessed to be able to do that for whatever reason. And like I just have that sort of a, an outlook. I’m really blessed to have had to have that. And but I don’t want people to think that it’s like, it’s just me, it’s like that can be anybody that can be Anybody can do that.
David Ralph [35:03]
Everyone can do it, but everyone can. that’s a that’s a that’s your talent again, that’s your key essence that you’re playing today. And, you know, so many of us can, you know, but they’re not going to.
Michelle Joni [35:18]
right but like taking that into like, Where, where it matters for you like, you know you can you can be the person Yeah, like just in any situation that you step into.
David Ralph [35:31]
So when I when I show when when you’re low, and you’re not this fallen person that you’re talking about now and you’re sort of reflecting it as we all do, as you know, late one night you’re sitting there and you’ve got those dark thoughts going around your head, but life isn’t as you should be. Do you look at where you are now as a natural place? Or do you look at it as a stepping stone to where you ultimately want to be? Did you had that money vision of where you want to be, are you benchmarking yourself against other people, which is one of the game changes again, where people look at other people and go, Ah, it’s never gonna happen to me because by XYZ they’ve got talents that I haven’t got, I’ve got skills, they’re the overnight success. So do you have those moments? Are you totally in control of your life and what you want to do?
Michelle Joni [36:24]
Right totally have those moments. And
Unknown Speaker [36:28]
you know, I
Michelle Joni [36:34]
it’s like when you’re when you’re in those dark places.
You kind of you forget things really easily and can mean in terms of getting out of that. It’s like usually a getting into your body and something to do with play and having fun having sex having
Doing a dance going for a skip going for a run, just doing something to literally shift, shift the ballgame because from the dark place, no matter what you go there for a second and it’s like you can forget that like this entire thing happy, you know, it’s just you literally forget. And so if you get yourself out of there as quickly as possible and run the other way, and you know keep yourself in that positive zone and don’t let the dark eat you because it will
and so, yeah, keep it
you have to keep it playful and light. It’s like you can choose to be on either side and, and, and
your life will follow that the things that you’ll attract will be reflective of that.
David Ralph [37:55]
So you believe that by really being positive and getting out there, you’re actually creating opportunity. knitties where if you locked yourself in a room, it would never happen. You’ve got to get out there, you’ve got to show a positive from even if it’s fake it till you make it until people believe
Michelle Joni [38:10]
Finally, oh my god. I’m like, okay, so one of my mantras is change your outfit, change the world. Because, you know, wearing something like, Okay, try this, like try putting on a wig one day, just like if you’re not the kind of person to wear wigs, which, you know, maybe you’re not put on a wig, put on a wig and go out maybe it’s a little pink Bob, but go wig shopping and put it on and something that makes you feel happy, like something you look at and you’re kind of like, haha, you know, like, that’s not me, that’s kind of silly. And the space field create around that is then one that’s like, he like, Oh, that’s kind of cute. And so then it’s like this new vibration that you’re creating around yourself with it. And you put on like a colourful shirt, or something that feels just really good on you and you’re able to play with it. It’s a you know, you’re you can just affect your surroundings by by what you put out there. And so, yeah, you I carry I have a teddy bear, and her name is Fufu and when she comes out with me everybody loves Fufu and like gives her hugs and people feel like they’re back in this play zone and there, they get in touch with something different and yeah, you can just like, but it’s little things like if you’re not going to be carrying a teddy bear maybe, like try sucking a lollipop and, and, you know, look it like you’re a little kid and skip a little bit. And so it’s like little things that you can add into your life that totally change it. But yeah, the dark side. If you look I’m already talking about skipping and like we’re talking about the dark side. Yeah, you just can’t you just can’t wallow in it because it’ll just kill you.
David Ralph [40:00]
Well skipping is that isn’t it? It’s it’s a movement away from the dark side. It’s the natural progression into happiness isn’t you can’t fight it. As you were talking about. If I go into a sweet shop, or newsagents or any shop you know when you’ve got kids and be nice owner of the shop always says Would you like a sweet to the kids? I always take a lollipop as well. And I love having a lollipop and add the fact that I have a lollipop and I skip as well. I think I think we’re made in heaven. Michelle, this is this is skipping in London.
Michelle Joni [40:40]
You should start people Oh my god. Yes.
David Ralph [40:42]
Could you say is a global thing? Oh, you’re starting off in New York. Is that part of the plan? Because one of the things I’m interested in is how did you go from something you love to creating an income because that’s the heartbeat isn’t it is quite easy to think of an idea but actually you build enough support to it, but you can start building an income. How are you doing that?
Unknown Speaker [41:06]
in various ways?
Michelle Joni [41:10]
Yeah, it is not easy. But you know, for example, this past summer skipping club, I had a membership programme. And people, it’s a programme that you know, gives you access to the skips, and then there was other things included and coaching. And, you know, kind of thinking, I just, I like to create really grandiose visions, and I see so much of the future and what is possible. And so, as I’m creating an income, it’s like I’m building up. I’m literally creating these dots now. Like what I’m doing now is like, Okay, this dots over here. And this has a little income here. And then there’s this dot and like I see where that’s going. And so right now I’ve got these little dots. And I love, I love the concept of your show so much, because it totally speaks to that whole, that whole play of like, yeah, it’s not necessarily going to all make sense and bring you all the income right away. But you just have to literally mark down these dots and then be like, Okay, how will this Connect until, until it really does. And then it all just makes sense to you.
David Ralph [42:31]
We are going to play the words of Steve Jobs, which is the theme of the show later on. But I’d like to play something now. And it’s very much again, talking about how you go from that one.to the next dot and how you stop yourself looking at the big picture and thinking, oh my god, I’m never going to achieve that because it’s too big. This is Oprah Winfrey.
Unknown Speaker [42:52]
The way through the challenge is to get still and ask yourself, what is the next right Move, not think about, Oh, I got all of this stuff. What is the next right move? And then from that space, make the next right move and the next right move, and not to be overwhelmed by it. Because you know, your life is bigger than that one moment, you know, you’re not defined by what somebody says, is a failure for you, because failure is just there to point you in a different direction.
David Ralph [43:24]
So isn’t that simple as it is? Yeah, he’s over there.
Unknown Speaker [43:29]
Oh, yeah. Yeah, you just gotta take the next move.
Michelle Joni [43:35]
Gotta take, you know, it’s the next move, but it’s also it’s also thinking about how to make the best move. And the move that’s going to make 10 moves and it’s in place of that one move, you know, like doing doing the thing that’s going to take one big move rather than 10 little moves. And so that’s where you really have to connect the dots because your Making these moves like make this move that make that move. And just keeping keeping track of that, of that progression.
David Ralph [44:09]
And do you as a big personality, but you are do you have that quiet voice Oprah was talking about when you you cut off all the surrounding ambiens in you just allow that next step to come to you.
Michelle Joni [44:23]
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you have to let it come. Because if you’re if you’re
like you put your fishing line out
and you can’t like, search for the fish, you gotta let it you gotta let it come. And
by finding by stepping into your quiet space,
that solid core of yours that attracts all that you attract is going to figure it help out a lot better. And you’ll just know, it’s like, you’ll just know what to do.
David Ralph [45:07]
I have an early morning routine now. But I get up about four o’clock in the morning and before the world gets going, and I’ve started driving without the radio on, which is unheard of, for me, I’ve always slammed a CD in and been driving along, and I’m trying to bring quietness into my life. And it’s the key thing, but I think I started to realise in the first shows I started doing, but a lot of successful people were saying, Oh, I meditate for 15 minutes a day and I do this. And I had always thought that meditation was floating three feet off the ground on the top of the mountain looking very spiritual. But now I realise it’s just allowing all the distractions in life to leave you alone for a while. So about your your path comes to you. And your path is in you. You know it, it’s bad, but Yes, amen. You by Facebook and social media and noise and all the distractions. You don’t allow it to come to you. And so it doesn’t take a lot does it to switch off and just allow yourself to have that inner boys show you the way?
Michelle Joni [46:14]
Yeah, you know, it’s kind of like are chipping away at everything that’s not you.
David Ralph [46:21]
That’s good, isn’t it? So so you would say you’re like a statue, a big block, and you’re taking away all the parts, but end up with your core. The thing that you should be
Michelle Joni [46:33]
probably more like Plato. But yeah.
David Ralph [46:39]
Yeah, not play dumb.
Unknown Speaker [46:41]
Well, it’s I love Plato to Plato.
Michelle Joni [46:45]
It’s just it’s the it’s the squishiness. It’s like the creation, the colours. Plato’s great. Oh, I need to get a Plato factory. Again. That’s what I need up in here. Yeah
Unknown Speaker [47:02]
we’re talking about
David Ralph [47:03]
chipping away chipping away chipping
Michelle Joni [47:04]
away yeah it’s like chipping away to everything that’s me that everything not me but then I guess how I even describe it and then adding on layers that that his characters are these personalities these these different kind of superheroes that I take on to to then also guide me. I don’t know if that makes sense. It well
David Ralph [47:40]
like it does because you are once again you are playing a role, aren’t you? You’re you’re bringing out elements of your character by wearing that Afro but you did for so many moms, you’re going to act in a different way. And sometimes you can react in a different way and not like the way you’re acting because that’s not you have to You’re gonna go, Ah, yes, this actually feels more how I should be, but somehow I had suppressed it, I hadn’t allowed it to come up to the surface.
Michelle Joni [48:11]
Yeah, like when you know, just like, seeing things that you get in life is, is gifts and clues to something and in in remembering that it’s like the little moments and the little connections that you can make the little dots that you can connect that spring to bigger dots to connect.
David Ralph [48:35]
But let’s play the words of Steve Jobs now because he says Sam adequately and he said it back in 2005. So it was 10 years ago, but it’s as relevant today as it was when this is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [48:48]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college, but it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward. You can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [49:22]
So do you buy into those words?
Unknown Speaker [49:26]
Yeah, you know,
Michelle Joni [49:30]
you can connect it, you connect the dots. Yes. Because you look back and you’re like, Okay, that’s how that led to that. And when looking to the future, what I do is I do I see dots that connect like rapid fire, like everything connects for me. But the thing is, is that the way that I see them connecting, I already know that that is not how they’re going to play out. And so it is important to have you You’re to have your, you know, you can create what those dots are going to look like. And, yes, they’re going to still look a little bit like those dots, but they’re going to be different dots and you have to be open to, you know, spots and stripes and whatever, you know, like whatever comes along with the way that it’s going to paint itself is going to be really connected.
David Ralph [50:27]
And it’s a master plan. Are you literally going with the flow seeing what happens like the email that you sent through to me? Is there a five year plan 10 year plan or is a Halloween tears
Michelle Joni [50:38]
like totally, totally, I like that’s what I’m saying. Like I have it mapped out like I see the whole plan. The plan is, I have the plan. I have it written I have it like it. The plan is there. And it is the dots and the reason I say it’s like my plan that I’m thinking now it’s like, yes, it is the plan. And it’s the five year plan, and it’s the 10 year plan. It’s the 50 year plan. And yeah, it’s like, you write that and then you and then you let that plan take you on whatever plan is going to be. You know, I’m saying,
David Ralph [51:19]
so are you projecting the dots into stepping stones?
Michelle Joni [51:24]
The dots and stepping stones? What did I say an email. They’re like solar systems.
Right? Like it’s solars. Their solar systems like each dot has the ability to
Unknown Speaker [51:39]
its like its own
Michelle Joni [51:43]
explosion of fantasticness.
For that, all of them kind of like a whole constellation. And then really, the universe is what holds it all.
David Ralph [51:59]
So I’m going to send you back in time now but just before I do on the Sermon on the
Unknown Speaker [52:04]
universe, okay, yeah,
Unknown Speaker [52:05]
where did you think everyone
David Ralph [52:07]
out that all the listeners Do you think that they can have a kick ass life? Do you think it’s in them too? Oh my god yeah what you’re having
Michelle Joni [52:17]
guys it’s so this is like everybody’s birthright is to have a blast
David Ralph [52:24]
cuz you did amazing you did how do you become famous in two weeks you you did like a kind of quest to become famous in two weeks or less. How did you do that? Because that’s an interesting thing as well as it
Michelle Joni [52:38]
is how did I become well?
Unknown Speaker [52:42]
Michelle Joni [52:45]
I had some dots lined up and instead of like,
you know, connecting them I took a scissor and tore right through the page. No, I like asked. So I mean, I did burlesque I hired my friend, like, quote unquote, hired my friend to be my publicist, and we, you know, sent out press releases about me. And it was, it was like become famous in two weeks or less It was my mission. And for the what we’re talking about if it’s a part of the New York City game that I did, and where I interviewed different prominent New Yorkers, and they would guide me, they’d give me 10 to 15 of their favourite things to do in the city. And then I had to go and do everything within one week, and tweet all my checkpoints with pictures to prove that I did it and then they would give me a prize at the end if I did it all. And one of them had written a book called How to become famous in two weeks or less. And so that was my mission. It was like become famous in two weeks or less. Yeah, so I threw myself parties. I just started emailing everybody telling them I had to be famous in two weeks or last and people are sending me You know, connections to designers who are going to like, dress me for this show and invites to events and red carpets. It’s just you reach out to people, I reached out to people and they helped me become famous. It was awesome.
David Ralph [54:13]
So once again, it comes back to the building community.
Michelle Joni [54:17]
Yeah, there you go. It’s and it’s trusting in, in their receiving of you just as you are. And whatever you have to say.
David Ralph [54:27]
That’s a powerful statement, isn’t it? As is gonna be the words now because this is the part of the show when I send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young Michelle, what age would you choose and what advice would you give when I’m gonna play the theme now and when it fades you out. This is the Sermon on the mic
Unknown Speaker [54:55]
speed of the show.
Unknown Speaker [55:10]
Hey little Michelle.
Michelle Joni [55:13]
Happy fifth birthday. This is Michelle Joanie. I’m like you a bit down the road. And oh, you’re you’re sweet, aren’t you? Okay, so, so this is the birthday where you receive. You’re about to open it right now. Let me actually open it first.
Unknown Speaker [55:39]
I don’t want to ruin the surprise.
Unknown Speaker [55:43]
Yes, I know it’s a trunk of clothing of
Michelle Joni [55:49]
stuff of, of accessories of tool of skirts of tutus and sequins. It is a it is a chunk of beautiful clothing. And it’s your dress up box. This is your make believe zone This is where you can then you’re going to have a lot of fun with this and this is going to mean something to you because it’s not just about
putting on these clothes. It’s about
becoming somebody that inspires you and having a fun way to do it. And so as you get dressed you become
a superhero Cinderella as you put on these little
Unknown Speaker [56:36]
Michelle Joni [56:41]
know that you’re playing is going to be really important. It is really important so just keep playing. And you know when you get to middle school and high school and people are city and you feel after Like, don’t worry about it, because you’re really, really awesome and special. And when you go to college, don’t rush for a sorority. And don’t do it twice because you won’t get in either times. I know you’re going to do it because you’re going to have to learn some way and that’s okay. But just know that you have yourself. You have your friends, your family, and your beautiful, your magical. Just never forget this moment, and we’ll see you soon.
David Ralph [57:37]
How can our audience connect with you?
Michelle Joni [57:41]
Oh, I hope that they do. Please, please connect with me. Okay, so there’s a few ways you can connect with me. On Facebook. There’s three different ways. There is my Michelle Joanie page, which is just Michelle Joanie, am I ch E, LL. e. J Oh and I and that’s it. Michelle, Joanie. What do you want the URL? Yeah. Okay. So there’s that flash Michelle Joni page. Then there’s my skipping club. And that’s facebook.com slash skipping club. And please join that wherever you are. Because, like you said, it’s going to go global and we want lots of skippers.
David Ralph [58:30]
Michelle Joni [58:32]
I’m everywhere you I was I like, Did social media professionally for my career? And I guess still, and that’s what I do. I Oh, then there’s also my clients. If you’re into the Beatles, you can go to our Facebook page, the fest for Beatles fans. There’s also Katie walk. And there’s a few other things. There’s only there’s the table Michelle
David Ralph [59:00]
links on the show notes. Yeah,
Michelle Joni [59:01]
okay. I just really though, like, I just want to connect with all of you. And if there’s anything that I can do, like, I mean, email me like, let’s stay in touch. Let’s really stay in touch.
David Ralph [59:15]
Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for spending time with us today, joining up those dots and please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Michelle, Joanie, thank you so much.
Michelle Joni [59:30]
Thank you for doing what you do. This is so awesome. You really tap in and get something out of people and thank you.
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