Patrick Allmond Joins Us On The Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast
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Introducing Patrick Allmond
Patrick Allmond is todays guest joining us on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots business podcast.
He is a man who wants the world to buy into a simple statement “Stop Doing Nothing”
He wants the world to improve their lives and change the situations that they find themselves in.
As we do everyday on the show, this guy has a wish that he could go back in time.
Back in time to share some great advice with his younger self in High School.
As Patrick Allmond says “There are so many life lessons I’d share with myself.
But more importantly I’d lay down a good set of ground rules and beliefs to guide me for the next few decades.
It is great when you learn how the world is structured.
But sometimes it takes too long to figure out.”
Starting his career at the car hire company Hertz, he moved through a series of positions whilst working for the man, with many of them being linked to the development of others.
He thrived as a trainer.
Travelling the world for the software company Serena, but interestingly, and I love this about him, since 1990 he has been developing his own side hustle with his global mission “Stop Doing Nothing” at the same time.
How The Dots Started Joining Up For Patrick
For over 25 years, whilst still working for other people, he has been building his own company that is on a mission to lift people to new levels of happiness and achievement.
Their mission statement:
“To work with individuals and help them plan and execute their ideal life so they wake up excited every day.
They do this with online training, seminars, one-on-one coaching, and other tools to help us all build our actionable plans of execution.”
So side hustle, talking to your younger self, inspiring the world to work towards their dream lives, let me introduce to you the new host of Join Up Dots!
No, I’m not giving this gig up, but it is with delight that I bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only, Patrick Allmond.
During the episode we discussed such weighty topics with Patrick Allmond such as:
Why he believes that we should all look closely for the moments in our lives when we feel the happiest, and try our best to replicate them again and again.
How if you want a dream to come true, you must still work harder than you have ever done before to make it happen for you.
Why so many of us are surrounded by tiny inconveniences that we don’t realise that they add up to a major reason to take action.
Why we should all build habits into our lives and ensure that those habits help us improve our performances too.
How he remembers the moment that he gained his personal belief in himself and started to change his life.
How To Connect With Patrick Allmond
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Full Transcription Of Patrick Allmond Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes, hello there everybody and welcome to another episode of a Join Up Dots. This is 266 This is gonna be one of my favourite ones. I know it’s going to be one of my favourite ones because whenever we have problems before connecting with microphones or Skype dropping down or anything, we seem to pull it out of the bag afterwards. And we’ve just had a bit of a situation where we couldn’t hear each other and doing an interview show when you can’t hear the other person. Bit of a problem but we’ve overcome that. So today’s guest on Join Up Dots is a man who wants to world to buy into a simple statement, stop doing nothing he wants the world to improve their lives and change the situations that they find themselves in. And as we do every day on the show, this guy has a wish, but he could go back in time and share some great advice with his younger self in high school. As he says there are so many life lessons I share with myself. But more importantly, I’d lay down a good set of ground rules and beliefs to guide me for the next few decades. It’s great when you learn how the world is structured, but sometimes it takes too long to figure it out. starting his career at a car hire company hurts you move through a series of positions while working for the man we have. Many of them been linked to the development of others. He thrived as a trainer travelling the world for the software company Serena. But interestingly, and I love this about him since 1990, has been developing his own side hustle with his Global Mission stop doing nothing at the same time but over 25 years. While still working for other people. He’s been building his own company that is on a mission to lift people to new levels of happiness and achievement. Their mission statement to work with individuals and help them plan and execute their ideal life. So they wake up excited every day. They do this with online training seminars, one on one coaching, and other tools to help us all build our actionable plans of execution. So side hustle talking to your younger self inspiring the world to work towards their dream lives. Let me introduce you to the new host of Join Up Dots. Now, I’m not giving this gig up, but with the life that I bring onto the show to start Join Up Dots with the one and only Patrick Allmond. How are you Patrick?
Patrick Allmond [2:33]
I am great. And thank you for that wonderful introduction, David. That just made me sound so much better than I actually am.
David Ralph [2:39]
But it’s funny though, isn’t it? When I when I was reading all that and when I was getting it together, I was thinking if there is anyone that should host Join Up Dots other than me, it’s going to be you because you buy into that big time, don’t you?
Patrick Allmond [2:52]
Oh, yes, very much. So I I’ve just been on my own case, I am my own. My own biggest cheerleader, my own worst critic when it comes to not getting Things Done. And so that’s what I wake up and do every single day is try to do a fraction of even what you do is to convince people that that nothing is accomplished by sitting around and twiddling our thumbs that there’s so much to do in life out there. If we just stand up on our own two feet and take care of it.
David Ralph [3:15]
I couldn’t say it better. That’s the end of the show. No, we’re going to go longer. But that really is the mantra of Join Up Dots of bad if you want something and you want it bad enough, you can pretty much get it. Was there a time in your life when if I’d said those words to you, you would have raised your eyebrows and sort of laughed hysterically wasn’t a time when the Patrick that we’ve got now wouldn’t have believed in the going through a dream.
Patrick Allmond [3:44]
I believe there definitely was and it was probably towards the end of my grade school and the beginning of my formal education in my former career, where I was just following the template that so many of us have been brought up to believe you you go to school this many years. You This kind of education, you sit in this job like this, you contribute to your retirement. I mean, there’s a template for life, that we’ve been pretty much structured either, you know, either in your country or in mine, I believe the templates pretty similar. And there are times where I was just working in that template every single day, just mindlessly going through the motions
David Ralph [4:19]
is a template, isn’t it? And I don’t know who created this. But I kind of thought it was a problem in the United Kingdom. But now I know it really doesn’t matter whether it’s a third world country or it’s America or Australia or whatever. It’s the same thing. We kind of go through the education system expecting farm, playfulness, authentic self to be put aside and take life seriously, get a job, and just put up with it until the day you die. Why do you think it is such a global thing where there’s so many people like yourself, Patrick, literally screaming on a daily basis. It doesn’t have to be this way. It really doesn’t. Times have changed. Things have moved on, you can go for it.
Patrick Allmond [5:03]
I think what a lot of people in that you’ve discovered that I’ve discovered in the process of living life is that we we see, maybe, maybe I’m going to say like a taste or a touch of inspiration or a taste, or a touch of what life can be like whether it’s travel, whether it’s physical or monetary gains, whether it’s being able to wake up and be happy every single day and not dread the drive to work and, and going and having the same joke with the same people for the next 10 or 20 years. When you when you kind of dip your toe into the world of or to gab the dark side. And when the light side, you start to crave that and you know, there’s no other way to live. And for example, I’ll give you I’ll give you an example of people that have gone into entrepreneurship. Oftentimes people that go into entrepreneurship would would rather than go homeless, then maybe go back and work for a large companies because they’ve lived that life and they know what it’s like and they know The feeling of freedom, the feeling to be able to get up and dress how you want and do what you want and say what you want. Once you’ve had a taste of that it’s hard to hard to go back into that template we were talking about.
David Ralph [6:10]
It’s funny, actually, yesterday morning, I got up incredibly early. And I’m talking about this all the time, and I’ll be interested to see what time you get up because it seems to be everyone who’s got this. This motivational push seems get up a lot earlier than people that haven’t. But yesterday morning, I sort of woke up and it was about 10 past three, so it was real early. And I thought, I’ve got some something to do. So I just threw my clothes on, but I was wearing the day before and hadn’t showered in comi hair and I went down and I started working. And it wasn’t till the evening that I looked at myself and I thought, God look at you now. And I said to my friend in America, I said to him, you know I haven’t even shaved I haven’t showered I haven’t anything and he said you know why you’re self employed. And it there’s that kind of message behind it, isn’t it when you are literally winning? to just get to work because you really want to do it, then you can’t go back. You can’t go back to working for the man, can you?
Patrick Allmond [7:08]
Exactly and what something else I’m sure you’ve discovered also is that people oftentimes complain about, you know, the fact that a typical work week for, for working for a corporate job was made 4050 hours. But when you break off from that, when you are doing something that you really want to do, you can lose all track of time, and you’re going to work a lot more than 40 hours, but it’s not going to seem like it and you’re going to enjoy it a lot more. And one of my missions in life is to get to the point where I really don’t have to worry about alarm clock or waking up. I’ll still work a lot more than 40 hours, but but like you said, you’ll get up and you’ll completely lose track of time because you’re immersed in something that makes you so happy. You don’t even want to worry about when the sun comes up or goes down. You are just happy doing your thing.
David Ralph [7:54]
So when was the last time that you woke up and the alarm clock went off and you thought I’m on God, and there’s that kind of rolled in the pit of your stomach and you realise that you’ve got a day that you’re dreading. Can you remember the last time
Patrick Allmond [8:08]
that might have been when I left my when I left my last major corporate job, which I think was in 1998, towards the last quarter of 1998, where I knew I was going to get up and I knew I had to be on the road a certain time and be at my desk and go to certain meetings and sit with the same people doing the same thing over and over and every single day. Now, I’m not going to say that every single day as an entrepreneur as a picnic, sometimes there are things there are times when we get up, and we will have to do things that we don’t necessarily want to do. But the majority of the time, we get to do what we want to do, we can wake up what we want. You were talking about when when to wake up every now and then if I go to bed at a really great hour, I’ll wake up at 330 or four o’clock sometime. And like you said, just get up and stand up and Wake up and my brains awake, I have ideas I’m ready to go. The majority of the time when you’re in that mode of being of doing what you want to do, it just creates a really great feeling way down deep in your gut.
David Ralph [9:12]
Did you think the listeners out there, the ones that are going to work they’re sitting on the train bear at their work listening to shows which I used to do when my nine to five was coming to an end? I used to sit there with one sort of headphone subtly placed in my ear listening to these these people talk thinking, that’s the life I want. Why can I have that life? Do you think that they should listen to their bodies? And when they think oh my god, that is a moment when they really should start thinking about it. Seriously, why am I feeling that way?
Patrick Allmond [9:45]
Oh, yes, I definitely do. And I would encourage those people to pay attention to things that make them happy. When they’re not necessarily at work. It may happen on a weekend. It may happen on a vacation. That’s when a lot of epiphanies happened for me is when I Step away from my comfort zone. I’m in an environment that I’m not necessarily go in every single day like going on a cruise or going flying or something like that. But I say wow, this, this moment, this five minute moment or this hour long moment of my life is something that brings me nothing but pure bliss and pure joy. How do I get more of these moments? I’m not going to get these moments working an eight to five job at a desk in a cubicle working for somebody else. When when you find that perfect, blissful moment. How do you create more of those and so if you are that kind of person who’s on your way to work in a train and you feel that this is this is just not your thing, you have to break out of your shell, pay attention to those things, dig into those things deeper and figure out what does light your fire in the morning. What What thing would you get up and do for free if all of your bills were covered. That’s another way I like to look at it is what thing would you do for free and there are maybe five things in my life I can think of like that, that I would do for free. So My bills weren’t covering because I enjoyed them that much to tell
David Ralph [11:03]
us about them. Patrick, well, one of five things that really lights you up, and we’re not talking about hobbies, we’re talking about something that is literally work, but you love it.
Patrick Allmond [11:13]
Probably the first thing that comes to mind is something I do every Friday morning is is education of people of really young youth, if that makes sense. And here in the US, the primary grades are kindergarten through fifth grade. And that’s where that’s where a lot of our our beliefs and our education happened. And I am lucky enough to volunteer at an elementary school every Friday morning for about four hours. And the beauty about that is it’s minds that have not been formed yet. There’s no biases, there’s no prejudices. They’re just learning the basics of dealing with each other interacting each other. And it’s a great way because these people, these young people are so wonderful to deal with that. I just really love spending I can’t wait to get to my elementary School volunteer time. Another one is you said hobbies if if Missy, probably and this is kind of a hobby, but aviation has been something of mine ever since I was a kid. aeroplanes, things with wings, things that fly. And one of the things that I’ve all my entire life I was always intrigued aviation. And one of the first things I did when I broke out of that shell when revenue was great as I started working on my pilot’s licence, and now I have have a lifelong dream. I am a pilot, I know how to operate an aeroplane. And my goal is to eventually buy my own aeroplane and fly around and do that. Something else that I would probably do more often if you know if time were not a constraint or things like and I’m seeing it’s kind of silly exercise. I’m a big fan of in the whole stop doing nothing theme of taking care of my body and helping others take care of their bodies and showing people the benefits of that. Those are just the three that come to mind right off the top of my head. I’m not gonna take up too much of your show time trying to figure out the other two. But I just know there’s a small handful of things like that, that I would gladly do for free. And I would sacrifice sleep for them. Because I get so much bliss and so much joy
David Ralph [13:12]
out of them, I would do this show,
Patrick Allmond [13:16]
then you would be a great at it because this show is great. I’ve listened to the past episodes. And the fact that if you were not passionate about this show, it would not come across in your voice. You can tell it in your voice. This makes you happy. This is your thing. This is your bliss, and this is exactly what you should be.
David Ralph [13:32]
Yeah, I agree with you. And I felt that from the very first moment I pressed record on the very first show. I didn’t know what I was doing. It just kind of felt right. And I knew that I could grow into it. And I could get better at how I pronounce I can drop the arms and you nose and all those kind of things that fill up your speech when you’re talking. And it does it lights me up. I can’t get enough of actually doing the show the administration around it. I’ve said this numerous times, I would get to a point and I would farm that off to somebody. And they can do all that. And if I could just come up and turn on the mic and say, How are you today, Patrick, and Ben, the next person comes up, I think that would be my bliss. I really do think that that is where I should be, as you say,
Patrick Allmond [14:19]
yeah, and everyone, everyone has something like that. And it may take a while to discover what it is. And it may take a couple of decades. It’s taken me a couple of decades to discover necessarily where things are but I just know when you are in those moments, you’re excited you don’t want those moments to end its there was I’m a big fan of the Star Trek series next generation and and one of the movies, they talked about this thing called a Nexus which is where you live in pure joy. Everything you do is it’s just you’re living in joy. And for me, for example, for you, it’s the show for me, it’s flying. When I’m flying an aeroplane and I’m 5000 feet above the above the world. I don’t want it to end I love looking at the world. I love the mechanics involved. I love the feeling of being up there with the birds. I’m living inside of pure joy. When you’re doing this show, it’s the same for you. We all have those, we just have to dig down really hard sometimes and find out where they are.
David Ralph [15:14]
So let’s take you back in time like we do on the show. And we’re going to take you back to the young Patrick, very small Patrick, maybe the eight year old Patrick running around doing his thing. What What was his dream? If I sort of got you then and said to Patrick, what do you want to be when you grow up? What would you have said to us?
Patrick Allmond [15:32]
I would probably said that it was musically related, or it was aviation. One of the To tell you the truth. Aviation is always been a theme in my life. When I was really young. Throughout my grade school, I’ve always been involved in music one way or another. I’ve always been fascinated with the sound that musical instruments makes or a sound that a piano makes. I just find I get. I get an immense amount of joy out of music, and concerts and if I wasn’t recording with you, right Now I have some jazz playing in my office. I Music has always been a central part of my life and it changes the way I feel it puts me in a good mood. Music has the ability to really control your emotions. And so when I was younger, I always thought that I was going to be destined for something musically inclined possibly pay concerts. Be the next Billy Joel tickling the ivory kind of thing. And that never came to fruition just because that’s not something I really worked hard at. But it’s just when I was younger, I just really thought I was going to be in the music industry one way or another
David Ralph [16:31]
that that you hit the nail on the head if you work hard enough at it. So many people have got dreams so many people have got talent. And so many people have got wasted talent, because I haven’t gone far enough. And when you look at the sight of Billy Joel’s and you look at the the Beatles, they’ve all got that 10,000 hours every night I woke up they’re playing crappy bars and perfecting their art before they even get noticed by anyone. Now record sales of the first album flop. I’m in a second album and I almost get dropped. And Ben it starts to soar pick up speed. Do you think generally in life we have gotten that we’ve got to work hard to get a dream?
Patrick Allmond [17:14]
Oh, I believe that definitely 100%. And the thing, the way I like to look at it is that you hear oftentimes about overnight successes, but but overnight successes take 10 or 20 years sometimes to be an overnight success. And everybody to accomplish that dream, you have to take that first step. And I think a lot of times maybe in this world, we see a lot of instances of instant fame or instant success. And we know that people go from from living on the street to all of a sudden having you know, the entire Harry Potter series. And we would all like to know we would all like to accomplish that to go from zero to 60 in 2.3 seconds, but sometimes going from zero to 60 takes 10 or 20 years and you have to put in that time. You have to In your case, when you start upping our radio show you’re talking to people, you have to press record. And that first month or two you may have, you may get one listener. But eventually one listener turns into two listeners and two turns into four. And things like that. When you have a dream, or something like that, the best thing to do is to is to start to take those really small steps. Learn what it takes to get better practice, sacrifice some TV time, sacrifice some socialising time, realise that you don’t want to be where you are 10 years from now, and you have to sacrifice some of that to get to your to get to your overnight
David Ralph [18:33]
success, so to speak. Well, when I launched this show, I would have loved one listener. I went weeks and weeks and weeks, I went about five weeks and I couldn’t get a listener for love nor money. But I never felt like stopping. And I think that takes us back to what I was saying earlier, because I love doing it. I almost didn’t care but no one was listening. I was just enjoying doing it.
Patrick Allmond [18:57]
Yeah, that’s that’s a great story that you’re successful. Here, and there are there again, you’re getting in that moment of bliss. And when you’re in that moment of bliss, you lose track of time, you lose track of space, you lose track of personal hygiene, which I have done plenty of times also where I, I come to the office and I get to do something that’s so much fun, that that all of a sudden you you go for a while and you realise I’ve had fun I had a day of fun, but I haven’t showered I haven’t shaved I haven’t eaten. I haven’t communicated with my family. But you know, I’ve had a blast. I’ve had a great day. And there are times where I’m doing something really fun that I even don’t want to go to sleep I’d rather just take short cat naps and keep doing them but but you know your your show right here is proof that if you love something enough and you keep at it and you keep up a great habit, eventually we’re going to get here and talking about habits if you keep up a great habit. success comes from small great habits over and over and over. I’m a firm believer in that.
David Ralph [19:53]
So So when did you do doing nothing come to fruition in your mind at least because It was looking at your back history. It was a side hustle for many, many years and you started it like 25 years ago. Now a lot of us can do things of this ilk quite easily now online. But of course you started doing this before the online environment was around. So how did you actually start it off?
Patrick Allmond [20:20]
You’re right, the idea was in my head Well, before the all the online properties came into play. The I would say that I started maybe in my, oh, let’s see maybe my late mid to late 20s that I was getting frustrated with not accomplishing the things I wanted to in life, almost everything I do in life comes about due to a mistake in my life due to bad habits due to just things I’ve done poorly in the past, and I will get angry at myself. I still do on occasion, I’ll get angry for not accomplishing certain things. And so in my mid to late 20s, I just wasn’t making the progress. And that’s one of the times I broke out of working for, you know, a mainstream corporate job as I just was not making the leaps and bounds I wanted to, I wasn’t happy. And when I’m not happy, I’m actually not very nice to the people around me. And it wasn’t a good environment for anybody. So I started coming up with this idea of, I just don’t want to be lazy in any way, shape, or form. I don’t want to be lazy in my career. I don’t want to be lazy in my health. I don’t want to be lazy in my money management. And most often or more often than life, we are willing to accept the default of things and life will guide you through it if you do nothing. If you don’t do anything in the world, for the most part, you can go through get a job progress in your career, progress in your financial management, deep, almost regress physically, life has a default mode if you do nothing, you have to stand up and take action. And so that’s what I had to start doing is I had to start consciously acting consciously doing the things in order to achieve happiness because if I didn’t, I wasn’t gonna be a very nice person. or happy person, and I wasn’t gonna be nice to the people around me.
David Ralph [22:03]
But But what made you do that though, because generally, I think the human trait is laziness. And we go against the human trait. Most of us if we could have the easy path, we’re going to take it. So you’re in that situation where you could have just kept doing nothing. What really pushed you to that point of going Look, I don’t like who I’m becoming I need to do something about it.
Patrick Allmond [22:28]
I’m going to say that probably was
may have been towards the end of my career there you point out that we work with hurts there for a while. Towards the end of my career with hurts I didn’t know it was gonna be the time I was I was coming in and I was doing things every single day that weren’t necessarily making me happy and I can’t think it was a particular thing. It was just in general the technology things I was working on. I was doing the same thing over and over every single day. And I think they were just some maybe some interpersonal Conflicts there that came about because I wasn’t happy and I wasn’t doing the right things that kind of triggered something in my mind that said, I need to make a change. Or Or you know, I’m going to probably have some severe conflicts here at work. And I just started doing some really introspective thinking at home in the evenings, and decided that I cannot be around us anymore. So I know you’re digging for a particular event there. I can’t think of a particular event. I can think of just some small little individual interactions I was having at work where I wasn’t nice to people and they weren’t, they weren’t nice to me back and I just I made a change, or I was going to die emotionally and die inside and I didn’t want that. So hence it’s Patrick, time to stand up, get up early and start doing the things it takes to live the dream that you want to dream.
David Ralph [23:46]
Ya know, we’ve Join Up Dots. For most of us, we will have big dots in our life form moments when we move forward. But in that situation, that was perfectly right as well. It’s a killer lecture. Smaller dots that just make up a bigger door isn’t is to sort of push you forward and back. That takes most of us by surprise when we suddenly realise that we’re allowing things to occur around us. And almost we become what? They become invisible to us because we get so used to them being there, we don’t realise, but we can group them together and give ourselves a stepping stone to go on to something better.
Patrick Allmond [24:27]
Yeah, exactly. I love the way that you put that there were just so so I think what you’re making them you’re causing me to do some even some self evaluation while we’re talking to go back and think about that. There was probably just a serious sequence or a series of things going on in life at the time that just said, Enough, enough, and I find that to be the case has been the case several times in my life that enough, it’s time to stand up and make a change. And you’re right, I just don’t really consciously think about that much. It just, it just comes about and when it comes about, you’ll know it’s the right time to make a change to make a change. You’ll die on the vine.
David Ralph [25:02]
Did you think so many people out there who say they’re comfortable if they actually did this exercise and looked at that level of comfort, they would find that it is. floating around bum are those small dots that we’re talking about? There are people on the same team that I don’t like but they put up with, there’s the commute to work but I don’t like but they put up with, there’s the extra hours on a Friday evening when they want to go home but the boss is asking them to do something extra that they put up with. Do you think that’s how life takes you over? It’s those small inconveniences but aren’t quite big enough to push you to take action?
Patrick Allmond [25:39]
I definitely think so. You You were that very well. There are things that you just kind of go through the motions on that you you you’re kind of blind you’re kind of numb to that you don’t realise are kind of killing you on the vine. I would also add to that, that sometimes that you have to do other things well outside of your comfort zone to even make your realise that you are unhappy. If you’re the kind of person who never goes on vacation and you’re in that eight to five grind you you almost don’t know what you don’t know in the world. Oftentimes for me, like I pointed out earlier, I have to get away from the the away from the regular house away from the regular job away from the regular relationships, to figure out that oh, this is, this is what I want to do. This is what brings me joy. Something else in my life that brings me joy is our conferences and networking, meeting new people learning about what other people are doing in the world. And every single time I go to a conference, I am I am I am doing what we’re talking about earlier, being immersed in that joy of just non stop relationship building. But you can’t do that. If you’re if you’re kind of in that grind. You have to get out you have to look outside yourself to realise that maybe there are some of these dots here that need to start paying attention to
David Ralph [26:53]
a utopian you’ll think to yourself now Patrick, are you the person that you were born wants to be or are you still working? progress.
Patrick Allmond [27:01]
I think I’m still a work in progress. I like to think that I am fairly authentic. And that’s very exciting that you said that I was just talking about that with somebody else online that the authenticity. I think I’m pretty authentic. I think I’m getting closer every single day. Am I living what I would call the dream day yet? No, I’m not. That’s a constant thing that I struggle with every single day. But I know I’m getting closer. I know that. Every single day I’m waking up. I’m a little bit happier with what I’m doing. I’m a little bit happier with the people I’m being around. I’ve eliminated the wrong people from my life. I put the right people in my life. I put people in my life that encouraged me and I encouraged them we lift each other up. So I think I’m getting there but I would buy would be fibbing to your listeners if I said I was 100% where I was really want to be quite yet.
David Ralph [27:50]
Because I think I used to be authentic and and looking back on this having these conversations every day. You do reflect on your own life and it’s almost like I mean therapy. In many ways, I’m sort of listening to these conversations and reflecting on my own life. And I think there was a time that I was totally authentic to myself, then I think I became too authentic and I became like a caricature of what people wanted. But now I’m doing this. I’m finding that I’m really getting close to the real me I thought I was authentic. But now because I’ve gone on to this next level, this is where I should be and you feel it, you feel it, that it’s, it’s somehow easier being new and it was before and things are just slightly more effortless than before. Do you find that when you are closer to your, your core? Things just seem to happen around you where before you might have struggled and pushed against?
Patrick Allmond [28:47]
Oh, yes. And a lot that comes about when it comes to things like either speaking on a podcast, or or writing up a blog post or talking to a group of people or helping somebody is you don’t have to think about it. So Much. It just happens. if somebody were to come to me right now and say, you know, how do I start? How do I start a business, I would have no problem. Just being able to ramble that off off top of my head, I wouldn’t have to worry about a script, I wouldn’t have to struggle, I wouldn’t have to pretend to be somebody else. I could say, this is how you do this. And this is what will make you happy. Here the thing that you’re going to do the fun part of business, and here are the things you’re going to do that aren’t the fun part of business. And I wouldn’t have to be fake Patrick on that area and some other areas of my life. There are some other areas where I would probably would have to work pretty hard on that. But But yeah, some of those just happen naturally. And that’s that those natural things happen is where you know, you’re getting closer to living that that entire time and bliss.
David Ralph [29:46]
That’s by some words from Jim Carrey, and we like to play him at this point of the show, and it takes us on to the next stage of our conversation. This is Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey [29:55]
My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so He made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [30:22]
Love that, do you?
Patrick Allmond [30:24]
That is amazing that you brought that I’m assuming that you listen to that online at some point. I stopped doing nothing blog I about two or three weeks ago, I put that entire video online that was Jim Carrey at a graduation ceremony for some college. And I’ve listened to that entire speech over and over again and you picked out a great excerpt from it. Absolutely love it. You can fail at what you don’t want to do. So might as well do what you want to do.
David Ralph [30:51]
Do you think that is the message? Because I’m going to tell you the answer because I think it is I think that’s the message that we should get out. To the kids out there, well to the whole world, but certainly the kids coming through the education system 13 1415. Don’t just push them out the upper end, go and get a job, almost get them inspired, but they can do greatness before they come out so that they’re there, as we say, in this country gagging to come out the other end, and go and create their magic in the world.
Patrick Allmond [31:23]
Oh, I love the way you put that. Yeah, I would encourage kids like that to, to you know what there’s, despite what you’ve been told by your parents, and I don’t ever want to go against what parents are certainly told. But there is an unlimited amount of things you can do once you really want to do them. Don’t think of being limited in any way emotionally, physically, financially. There are so many stories that we could pull off of the internet or out of Jim Carrey’s life run a very various other famous people’s lives that basically said I went from nothing. I went from nothing to having an amazing life because I decided What I wanted to do what made me happy. Once you decide what you want to do to make you happy, you will find a way to make money at you’ll find a way to do it all the time. Even if you don’t make a great amount of money, you’ll be happy. And one of the lessons I’ve learned from people who have been rich and have been poor, is that after a while, the money just doesn’t matter. bliss and happiness is more important than money. And Jim Carrey is just a really great example of that.
David Ralph [32:25]
So once you think and then you kind of run, why do you think that parents do play the safe route? Is it because of the love of their kids? Because I’m trying to break free from that. And I’m trying to teach my two younger kids that actually do your education, learn but, but be creative and think about how you can have the life you want. And if you want to be a racing driver, think about how you can do it. But just think think think and generally if you think enough, a plan will come along and you can start making movements, but my parents didn’t do My parents almost said, You’ve got to get a job and there wasn’t any, go out and be creative. Enjoy yourself have a life. Do you? Do you think that things have changed now because of the internet? Or is it just that we see more now because of the Internet, and we see the way that other people are living. And we go, I want a bit of that.
Patrick Allmond [33:20]
I think it’s the latter one, the fact that we see more with the internet, the internet has, you know, the power to create and destroy, and the fact that I’m able to connect with people in the middle of see more of these examples, and I can watch them 24 hours a day, seven days a week, you know, go to go to YouTube and they put in time and type in rags to riches or type in inspiration. And you’ll find just countless examples of people that have fallen on their face and then decide they want to live their dream and get back up. And you touched on something briefly is you know, why do parents for certain life templates on the kids that I would call it and you it, I think it also happened in your life that Oftentimes people that don’t take those leaps are just going to force the template from their life on their children. You know, Jim Carrey’s dad probably didn’t want Jim Carrey to be an actor, he probably didn’t want Jim Carrey to be ridiculous and be on in Living Colour and just do the things that he did. But at some point in time in Jim Carrey’s life, either somebody he was listening to, or something he saw, made him realise that there I don’t have to live with this template. This template is horrible. This is my I’m going to create a new template, I’m going to live life my way and I’ll figure out the money making part and I’ll figure out how not to be homeless eventually. But I’ll do it while I’m happy.
David Ralph [34:38]
Because I’m it might sound naive, but I now think that if we could get the whole world or vast proportions of it, doing what they love, and putting value back into the world and inspiring people, then life has got to be better anyway, isn’t it is it’s got to be Oh, am I just being simplistic
Patrick Allmond [34:58]
and you are being simplistic. You know what I also believe that life is pretty simple. And we really overcomplicate it. Happiness is pretty simple, doing things like generating revenue and being nice to each other. Those things are really simple. And oftentimes, people would like to believe it’s more complicated. They like to believe that, that being a famous comedic actor is more complicated. It takes years of study in drama school and working your way up through the ranks. And then there’s a certain template to doing things, but no, life is pretty simple. And there are just so many examples of people doing the things that you did people, quote unquote, turning on the microphone, and just doing it not thinking about it. Thinking about it sometimes gets in the way of things. But just taking the first step and taking the action. There are times I’m going to say where I think that we have to apply a little bit of logic and a little bit of safety to what we do. But but don’t overthink it. Oftentimes in the world of entrepreneurship and business. When you see people that want to start a business or want to start a podcast for example. I’ve seen people that really overthink it and know it’s simple. Every single company, I’ll give you the example of a podcast, every single computer nowadays comes with a recording with a with a microphone and a recording a piece of recording software, you want to start a podcast, you go in and you press record, you start talking. It’s that simple. That’s all it takes. So you brought up a very good point there is that you are making it over your make oversimplifying it. But you know what? That’s because it’s really simple. Sometimes. It well in a podcast, we could argue this, Patrick that?
David Ralph [36:29]
Yes, it is to create a podcast, you can do that. But of course, there’s so much more to it, isn’t it to actually take it where you want. And I think that sort of takes it back again, we’ve got so many opportunities now where we can press a button, we can do this, we can do that. And it’s almost on automatic. But of course it comes back again to the putting the effort in and wanting it hard enough. And making sure yes, we press that button 100,000 times in an hour to make it do what we want to do. And that’s what people Don’t want did I people just want us to? Yeah, okay, I can talk into a microphone, I can create a podcast and then bang, that’s, that’s my income sorted. But there’s so much more to it than that.
Patrick Allmond [37:09]
Oh, definitely. And what you have to do, and I’m sure you realise also is every single time you press that record, you have to improve a little bit more, you have to get a little bit better quality microphone, you have to plan out a little bit better, you have to understand how to set up the entire flow of the podcast and the publishing and the artwork, and all that stuff. And the difference between somebody who fails at a podcast and as somebody who succeeds as a podcast is the person that succeeds number one has made it a habit. Your success on a podcast is a habit. You know that on these days at these times, you’re going to be doing this thing that you love and you have a script for it now. And the difference between that and the person that just goes in and presses a pot presses record once and thinks I’ve got a podcast is that you’ve made your success a habit and you’ve improved slowly over time on overtime and overtime. That’s the same way with Jim Carrey. I’m sure if we go back and look at all the footage of Jim Carrey, his early stuff was probably ridiculous, it was probably cringe worthy, but he improved a little bit every single time. And so not only do you have to press record, you have to press record a little bit better every time and make the product that you create a little bit better every single time and then you then you have a win win there. You’ve created a quality product and you’re doing something that makes you happy.
David Ralph [38:25]
So if we take it now to your clients, the clients that you sit with, who you coach to change their lives and look at different ways of operating, what what is the kind of is a common trait, but most people that come to you are suffering, where is it just lack of awareness of what’s possible? Well, actually, is the issues.
Patrick Allmond [38:48]
I would say probably the the biggest issue is just not if I was to pick a top issue, I would say it’s faith and a phrase that that I would just Basically, the way I like to put it is a self limiting belief. It’s not having the ability or the belief that something can succeed. That’s probably the biggest issue I see with people is they, they don’t believe that they can just press record, they don’t believe they can take a first step, and that they can make something a habit. And also, I would say that people are not willing to put in the time, the success and doing the things you love and doing the things that bring you joy, take time, and nobody or I’m not gonna say nobody, I’m gonna say very few people are willing to put in the time and the repetitive habits over and over on the things it takes to be successful, whether it be exercise, or whether it be starting a business or whether it be monetary success. People just don’t want to put in the work it takes. Sometimes doing the repetitive things that make you successful, aren’t necessarily fun in and of themselves. However, the end result can be the joy the end results can be the bliss. And that’s just what I have to convince people is that is get in these good habits of your life and they will bring you the joy and the bliss that you want, you can continue down the same template or down the same path you want, you’re not going to be happy. You could, but you can be unhappy by default tomorrow and the next day and the next day, stop that bad pattern. And let’s create some new patterns and some new habits to get you to where you need to be. So
David Ralph [40:22]
how does somebody do something, somebody goes to work by a good employee, they have at nine o’clock each morning, they leave at five or whatever their hours are, but they’re not happy, they want more. But they’ve always done that. So that’s what they know, what’s a good way to actually start breaking those habits and building some kind of inertia.
Patrick Allmond [40:45]
Well, I would say that if if, if it’s someone like me that went to an eight to five job or somebody that I’ve talked to before, is to really do some some internalisation and some self evaluation and figure out that if if that environment that you’re in is one where you can accomplish what you want to accomplish. So much of what we do has to be supported by the environment around us by the people around us by the actual tasks that we’re doing every single day. And that if the environment that you’re in at work is not supporting what you eventually want to do to change that environment, you won’t have to ask your boss you know, what, can I move to a different department? Can I take on some different tasks? Can I do these things that are going to make me happy? If the if the dream or if the thing that brings you joy cannot be found in a regular eight to five job that you need to figure out what kind of systems do I need to put in place so I can eventually step out of that and support myself and do that one thing that does love me so it requires a lot of I like I said, self self reflection, I guess that’s reflection is anyways to figuring out you know, if I have a right environment, if I’m not in the right environment, how do I create that environment and what can I do to take this leap of faith while still you know Having a one foot I’m going to say in the world and being safe, where I can support my family and generate income, and and pay the bills. And it’s it’s a lot of planning and tell you the truth. If anything came down to it’d be a lot of planning and self examination, to know when you can make that leap, how you can make that leap. And and what really makes you happy. The teacher, that’s what a lot of people I think have a challenge with is finding out what really makes them happy. I think there are things that we think would make us happy. And I think there are things that truly make us happy. And that is just part of life discovering the difference between those two. I know there are plenty of things that I think would make me happy, but very few things actually make me happy. And it’s a constant discovery session for myself to making sure I’m focusing on the real things versus the fake things.
David Ralph [42:44]
Did you think one of the issues is that people will be in a situation and they want to get to the end product and May, but they can’t see how to do it. Now I’m going to play your words of Oprah Winfrey now and I’m not even going to tell you what she said. But I’m going to play these and then we’re discussing my This is Oprah.
Oprah Winfrey [43:01]
The way through the challenge is to get still and ask yourself, what is the next right move? not think about, Oh, I got all of this stuff. What is the next right move? And then from that space, make the next right move, and the next right move, and not to be overwhelmed by it. Because you know, your life is bigger than that one moment, you know, you’re not defined by what somebody says, is a failure for you. Because failure is just there to point you in a different direction.
David Ralph [43:33]
So do you think that’s the way forward for people out there, but they want to go from here to there? Should they just think, right? I’m going to go to a plus one. And then once I do that, go to a plus two, do you think that it’s more achievable in the mind, but they can actually do that small step instead of that big leap?
Patrick Allmond [43:54]
Yes. And the part of the nice part about that the way that’s expressed I love the way that she she put that in that it makes it seem very simple because again, I think that sometimes really complicated things are just a series of very simple steps. broken down, it may be 100 or 200 simple steps. But that one next step is the is the thing that’s going to get you closer and we can take that to a really simple level and talk about something like running or jogging or exercise. That’s all that you know, running a marathon is, it’s, it’s one day, you decided to go out and jog a 10th of a mile. And it made you winded and it gave you pain. And but you realise that your dream is to run the marathon? Well, you have to start by running a quarter of a mile first and running a half mile. And I know that seems kind of very simple view of it. But But Oprah put it very well is that only worry about the next step. Don’t worry about the step 100 steps down, worry about the next step and the step after that worry about thing right in front of you that you know you can accomplish. Because all of a sudden at the end, you’re gonna look back and say how did Go from this person to this other massively successful person in whatever area of your life and you realise Oh, it was just 1000 steps is what it took to get there. So I love the way she put that.
David Ralph [45:11]
What I liked as well is the fact that she was saying there’s no failures. It’s just part of the learning process. Basically, don’t worry about what other people think. And that one decision is not going to define you, if you make that decision to do something, and it’s wrong, trying to think of a way to make it better. And if it doesn’t think of another way.
Patrick Allmond [45:32]
Exactly. If you learn how to do something, right, or you learn how there’s something wrong, and at some point in my past, I’ve learned that I really learned a lot more from my mistakes than I do from my failures. There. There are things that I can be repeated that done before that I know I can do that, right. However, I learned that I’ve learned so much from areas where I failed, and either they will crush you and they’ll devastate you, and you want to throw your hands up in the air or you’ll realise that You know what I’ve learned from this, this is going to help make me better. And also you can use those lessons to teach other people in the future. So they don’t make the same mistakes. If we help each other, and encourage each other, we can all fail faster, we can make mistakes faster, and make that progress going forward. But with everything in life, you don’t know how to do something, right. But you learn how to do something wrong. Either way, it’s a lesson and take in those lessons. Don’t be afraid of those lessons.
David Ralph [46:26]
So So what would be your big dot? When you look back on your life a moment? That might have been a very unhappy moment in your life when you actually thought right? I’m going to take control Patrick Armand is born. Can you look back and remember a time I know I certainly can. What about yourself?
Patrick Allmond [46:45]
I’m going to say and this one to tell you the truth was.
I’m going to say that back when I was involved in a lot of technology consulting, and we were considered, I was considering starting a business of my own. I just wasn’t really quite sure how I’d support myself and I know this may sound a little bit shallow, but I was doing some research and figuring out that, you know, running a business on my own, that I could generate a lot more revenue and account a lot of cup accomplished a lot more. In my life. I just didn’t believe it took me a while to get past the belief of maybe that I couldn’t charge a particular price for something. And it just I struggled with that for the longest time really believing that I had that kind of value to offer. And once I verbalise that to somebody I was going to work for basically I said, this is the value of what I can do. And I can remember, hopefully, this is the area that you’re talking about. I can remember expressing that value and getting respond positive response back saying yes, the work you do has that value. I can remember sitting back and saying, Oh my goodness, I just cannot believe what happened in my life. I propose something that I thought was going to be turned down and it was accepted. And remember my wife and I just saying this our life is get ready to change, our life is getting ready to change because we both made this, this this leap of faith that the work we wanted to do would have a certain value in someone believed and ever since then I’ve that that particular dot I’ve hit that dot over and over and over again.
David Ralph [48:19]
So quite simply, it was the moment you started believing in yourself.
Patrick Allmond [48:24]
You know what, that’s a very good way to put it and I have never heard like I said, I’m in this conversation we’re having I’m still discovering some things about myself. And that’s probably the best way to put it. I believe that I had a certain value and let somebody else believe I had a certain value also. And that was just an eye opener for me and just I you you literally physically. I remember sitting back in a chair and saying, I just cannot believe what happened. I cannot believe what happened. And those moments are rare and and I love it when they happen but you’re right. I just started believing in myself.
David Ralph [48:56]
is so powerful, isn’t it when you have those moments, but our linked to the way you feel. But it opens a door to a future you just couldn’t think that was possible. And the fact that the world suddenly turns you and when Yeah, you are worth that. It shakes. It shakes you to the core, doesn’t it? And I hear time and time again, when anybody does have an entrepreneurial leap. The thing that they struggle with most of all, is actually saying to people pay me, even though they’re doing the work, they struggle to actually say, this is this is what I want for it. And I know when I started this show, I did a lot of work for free, just because I kind of thought, Well, I can do it easily. somebody’s asking for my help. Why not? But when you actually been say, this is what it is. And they go Yes. It takes you a while to get over it. But that is part of your learning, isn’t it? That’s part of your development. That’s part of you moving forward to the next part of your life, when you do actually believe that you are providing value to the world.
Patrick Allmond [49:58]
Yeah, that’s a very that you A very great way and I teach you that this particular case there were there were two times I can remember one of them was me proposing and being accepted. But another one was when I was sitting in this hotel room in Sacramento, California, right after I started my entrepreneurial journey, having some self doubt again, not believing that I was had that confidence and the ability to accomplish what had already been accepted. And I just had to sit there at the hotel room for a while I remember laying there and kind of being nervous and shaking and having the sweats and all that I was that I had that self confidence, doubt again, but then I had to kind of refocus and refresh my mind that you’ve already had this belief once somebody else or had this belief once in you refocus yourself, reframe yourself and realise that you are capable of doing this. Don’t doubt yourself, get back into that, that good mode, that good frame of things and move forward because you’ve already been accepted. The world is your oyster.
David Ralph [50:55]
But let’s play the words now from somebody who is no longer with us but did happen. Total belief in himself and in the product that he was building, and is also the theme of this whole show. This is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [51:08]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [51:43]
So to totally believe now that those dots that he’s talking about will lead up in the future and you will get to the dream life you want where you’re flying Amanti new aeroplanes and you’re having a having a kick ass life.
Patrick Allmond [51:56]
I believe it Yes, I do. It’s I have to admit those Sometimes there is some, some self doubt does creep in there every now and then. But more often than not, I’m going to say that the self doubt is overridden by belief. And like Steve Jobs said, the belief that things will happen. As long as you take those steps. You can you can sit there and have self doubt and not believe that things are going to happen because they’re just as many failure stories as there are success stories. But you can’t always see the future and as long as you’re taking those little individual steps, moving forward, your things will happen. It’s it’s been proven there’s you don’t have to wonder anymore whether or not people can accomplish dreams and goals and desires that happens every single day. You just have to have the faith in your goals, your dreams and your desires to make some blind leaps of faith and take the steps you need to get there.
David Ralph [52:48]
And you’ve got time Avenue. Somebody said to me the other day and I love this but it doesn’t matter. It’s gonna take 10 years. You’re gonna have 10 years anyway, unless you die or something you that time is going to play House. So why don’t you start today and get there?
Patrick Allmond [53:05]
Exactly. And I will say that, that sometimes that I’ve also seen express the goals and dreams are great things can be accomplished by somebody with a very great belief and a limited amount of time. Sometimes even the restriction of time, if you place the restriction of time on yourself, it helps you get things done, it almost creates a sense of urgency, if you will, yes, I can believe I’m going to be here 10 or 20 years. But you know, I don’t want to start my business in 10 or 20 years from now, because I don’t know what’s going to happen with my life. I would rather create a sense of urgency in there and say, You know what, yes, I can do it. But maybe, maybe my dream, I want my dream a little bit faster than 10 or 20 years, maybe I want my dream in a year or two. But the challenge with time is that there’s only a limited amount of it and you never know when
David Ralph [53:48]
that buckets going to be up. Now, I agree with that when when I started this I stayed two years I would work for nothing for two years, and I set my stall out to begin with. And I think that was The right way of doing it. Because if you set your stalled out to build your craft, and then things financially come your way that make things a little bit easier for you to carry on doing it, then you really feel like you are getting somewhere. I think if I had set out in three months, I was going to be earning a squilliam pound a month, of course, I wasn’t gonna hit that target, and then you feel deflated. So you’ve almost got to give yourself an indefinite route, although work towards something a lot earlier.
Patrick Allmond [54:29]
Exactly. And I do that. I’d say that that you know, you always heard the phrase four goals, the smart, the SM AR t acronym. That’s something I would encourage people to look up when it comes to setting goals. And a lot of times it does require putting some particular time restrictions on our putting some kind of constraint on them. And sometimes that may also help you realise that maybe you were not destined to do that things. Life is a continual learning process of what we should be doing and what we shouldn’t be doing and sometimes, the lesson that can come out as maybe You know what you shouldn’t be doing and you should refocus again.
David Ralph [55:03]
Well, basically, it’s the end of the show now, and this is the part that I called a sermon on the mic when we send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give? Well, we’re going to find out because I’m going to play the theme tune and when it fades you up. This is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [55:30]
With the best of the show.
Patrick Allmond [55:44]
Thank you for the opportunity. If I had to pick an age in my life or Tom my life that I would jump back to, I would probably say it would be right around graduating, the high school area. Maybe when I started going in the military and I think that that is the opportune time of my life where I had a limited amount of responsibilities and a maximum amount of potential. And at that point of time, I would have shaken myself awake on a Saturday morning and I would have told myself to stop sleeping in on Saturday and Sunday mornings to first of all, discover the thing that the things are going to make me happy to things like running my own business, or public speaking or flying, and work on those on the weekend. I’m a big fan of managing the time that you have available. And there are hours in the morning, there are hours in the evening and there are full 48 hours on the weekend that you have worked on your dream. And so I would tell myself to be a lot more respectful of time and take advantage of the time don’t sit around and and and blow that time off or waste that time. focus on getting up early all the time. focus on the things that are going to make you happy and and Don’t ever, ever take time for granted. There’s a limited amount of it. And you just have to take advantage of every single minute. If you’re going to get anywhere in life.
David Ralph [57:10]
How can our audience connect with you, sir?
Patrick Allmond [57:13]
Thank you. I’m Patrick Allman all over Twitter, Last Name a Ll, Mo, ND I’m on Twitter, on Facebook and of course go to stop doing nothing calm and connect with me on the fan page there and on social media. and at worst comes to worse just hop into Google and type in Patrick, space, a Ll mo n d, and
David Ralph [57:32]
you’ll find me and we will have links on the show notes to Patrick, thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining up those dots and please come back again when you have more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Patrick Allmond .Thank you so much.
Patrick Allmond [57:50]
Thank you David for the pleasure.
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