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Introducing Jane Kenyon
Jane Kenyon is todays guest on the Join Up Dots Podcast.
She has certainly been on a roller-coaster ride to where she now find herself today.
From a privileged background to alone and broke at 16.
Successful, high flying corporate career to entrepreneurial burnout at 35.
Wealth to near bankruptcy twice, her critical moments are many and her ability to convert failure into success an inspiration to everyone she meets.
And with such a track record of the highs and lows in life, it is little surprise that she has become passionate about inspiring women and young girls to utilise their female power and energy, and kick some serious booty.
How Did The Dots Join Up For Jane Kenyon
With her two platforms “Well Heeled Divas” and “Girls Out Loud” gaining a passionate following, she works with ladies, and young ladies to find the thing that lights them up inside and think differently to recognise their full potential.
She believes that the we have the duty “to step up and create an outstanding life as opposed to settling for mediocrity.” which I suppose the vast amount of people on this world do.
She published her first book Superwoman – Her Sell By Date Has Expired!: Time to show Little Miss Perfect the door last year which is selling well, and certainly the future and the present appears very rosy indeed.
So where did her corporate career go wrong?
And why did she feel the need to go 360 and step away from the “what can I gain” mentally of corporate of the world, and move boldly into the “what can I give” world she now loves everyday?
Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots, with the one and only Mrs Jane Kenyon
During the episode we discussed such weighty topics such as:
How she learnt early in the day to preserve her energies every now again to come back stronger when she needs to.
How she attracts people into her life by focusing on getting into the state of flow as much as possible.
Why she is a big fan of visualizing and meditating to take time out to see the next step she needs to make.
How she quit her work, and had three months to work her notice, but made the most of that time to leave with a million pound contract.
Why the ladies of the world have to realize that they don’t have to do everything themselves.
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Full Transcription Of Jane Kenyon Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK. David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes, hello there, everybody, wherever you are, across the world, whatever you’re doing, whoever you’re doing, enjoy yourself because we’ve got an hour of top notch entertainment, and a bit of inspirational chat. Yeah, it’s Episode 277 today, and we’ve got a guest who has certainly been on a roller coaster ride to where she now finds herself today from a privileged background to alone and broke at 16 successful high flying corporate career to entrepreneurial burn out at 35 wealth to near bankruptcy twice. critical moments are many and her ability to convert failure into success and inspiration to everyone she meets. And we have such a track record of the highs and lows in life it is little surprise, but she’s become passionate about inspiring women and young girls to utilise their female power and energy and kick some serious booty. With her two platforms well heeled divas and gals out loud gaining a passionate following. She works with ladies and young ladies to find the thing that lights them up inside and think differently to recognise their full potential. She believes that we have the duty to step up and create an outstanding life as opposed to settling for mediocrity. I believe that I believe that to which I suppose the vast amount of people on this world do now she published her first book super woman has sell by date has expired time to show Little Miss perfect the door last year, which is selling extremely well. And certainly the future and the present appears very rosy indeed. So where did a corporate career go wrong? Why did she feel the need to go 360 and step away from the What can I gain mentality of corporate world and move boldly into the What can I give? Well, she now loves every day. Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dance with the one and only Mrs. Jane Kenyon. How are you doing?
Jane Kenyon [2:16]
I’m absolutely outstanding. David, How are you this morning?
David Ralph [2:18]
is a lovely to have a English lady on the show. You’re not gonna say any weird words, but I’m frozen here.
Jane Kenyon [2:27]
Try not to.
David Ralph [2:28]
So So whereabouts are you? You’ve got a kind of Northern 20 you.
Jane Kenyon [2:32]
Yeah, I live in a little village called Knutsford in Cheshire. But I’ve lived all over the northwest of England Really? So and I but I also went to boarding school in Yorkshire, so I’m a bit of a mixed really, but I’m a northern girl. I’m a northern girl.
David Ralph [2:48]
The only thing I know about Knutsford is Robbie Williams made a song song Knutsford city limits Do you know
Jane Kenyon [2:54]
that’s, that’s passed me by unfortunately. For Robin that’s possibly by Lots of footballers live around here. Lots of professional people bit of a commuter belt into the big city Manchester So a nice place to live.
David Ralph [3:08]
So someone who lives around here who’s an A Lister football player or soccer player
Jane Kenyon [3:13]
I have no idea David because football is about as interesting to me as watching paint dry so I cannot enlighten you on that I’m afraid
David Ralph [3:22]
Oh Julian Jane I thought we were gonna get on so well where’s it all going wrong?
Unknown Speaker [3:27]
So soon so soon
David Ralph [3:29]
so so you don’t like the the Champions League nights when you know
Jane Kenyon [3:32]
anything to do with football? I don’t like its culture. I don’t like the game. I don’t like what it creates. And I don’t like the impact it has. I don’t know anything about it. I’m really sorry. Shall I leave
David Ralph [3:44]
now you stay you stay. I think I’m going to warm to you as we go on. So what do you like doing in your social sort of life when you’re not being the super woman that you are? What What does Jane Kenyan do to sort of relax?
Jane Kenyon [3:57]
Yeah, I’m time with an amazing Husband really, because I spend most of my time with other people. Speaking, coaching, training, motivating, I suppose I’m pretty quiet. My personal life. I’m a bit of a home bird. And I like to cook. I’m a foodie. I like to entertain. So I like to have dinner parties. And but I spend a lot of time reading, reflecting, planning my world domination strategy. And you know, because for me work isn’t work. It’s my passion. So the kind of things merged together, because I absolutely love what I do. And you know, I don’t switch off at a certain time, and then switch back on, but I’m quite private in my personal life because I’m quite public. And everything else that I do
David Ralph [4:45]
is a key thing. But isn’t it I’ve mentioned this on numerous shows. I’ve come from a training coaching background. So on a daily basis, I had to get up I have to present and I have to be personable. And at the end of the day, the last thing I want to do is be posed. So I like to come home, close the door. And if the phone rings two inches away from me, I won’t even pick it up. And do you feel that? Do you feel that there’s a need to preserve?
Jane Kenyon [5:11]
I think so I think you have to have that. And I’ve learned that that as has been one of my lessons to kind of put that protection around me because sometimes you do feel that everybody wants a piece of you. And although that’s very complimentary, and it is very flattering, you do have to save something of yourself. Otherwise, you just be, you know, a gibbering wreck in the corner every weekend, wouldn’t you? So I have learned that and I do have an amazing husband who gets who I am and what I do, and he makes me do that as well. So he knows when I’m at the point of meltdown, and he will step in and say right this weekend Jane, nothing nothing. Nobody me you away for the weekend. So what have you got to do finish it by seven o’clock on Friday, because you mind till Monday morning. You know, so he’s brilliant and he’s kind of very much On the same journey that I’m on, and you know, he will step in and do what he needs to do to protect me.
David Ralph [6:06]
So is it a team effort? Did you leave your husband?
Jane Kenyon [6:09]
Yeah, I do. I mean, we we do. He’s an author and as well as I am, but he really interesting, we’re quite opposite in many ways. He’s one of the UK’s leading experts on World War One. So, you know, he’s kind of written four books about World War One, he does TV programmes he acts. You know, he’s everything. He’s an a character, if you like. So he spends most of the week in character, and going into schools, educating kids, and, you know, doing programmes being the expert on programmes on on TV about the war. And so he does a similar thing in a completely different field, but you still on show, so he’s still in character on show. So that downtime is is is important for him as well. But he lives in the past and I live in the future. So we’re incredibly different in that way, but you know, probably share values and share similarities. And what we do
David Ralph [7:07]
is fascinating. I have these conversations all the time. And one of the thoughts that comes into my mind all the time is, What a weird way to earn a living. And the fact that your husband is dressing up as a sort of World War One guy, and he’s going, when when you start off on a journey, as most of us do as youngsters, I think the majority of us had this image of work is an office and you go to an office and you work in a cubicle, or whatever you do, and that is what work is. But I’m finding more and more people that are doing crazy stuff, but I love it. And it is that balance between work and play. When the two come together, and you enjoy it, you put more into it and then you gain more from it and your audience gains more from it and it’s a win win, as that taking you a long time to realise that yourself. When play becomes your work and work becomes You play you really cooking on gas,
Jane Kenyon [8:02]
and probably hits upon that in my mid 30s.
You know, when I decided to get off the roller coaster of entrepreneurship, and the second roller coaster I’ve been on the first was corporate, which I’ve got off when I was 28. But I decided to kind of step back from what I was doing and work out what I wanted to do, and what I was here for, and, and then started to get into my flow, which was all about transformation, if you like working with people, on a one to one and in groups to help them change and shift and change the way they look at the world and get into doing what they should be doing. And so that was the big shift for me. So the past 15 years have been absolutely awesome. When I made those decisions.
David Ralph [8:46]
It’s an unusual state of affairs. I don’t know many people, certainly from the people that I’ve spoken to that have had almost two leaps of faith where they get to a point and a pivot and then they get to another point and they pivot again. in your vicinity of the people that you work with, is that unusual? Does that give you a sort of an experience that other people haven’t got?
Jane Kenyon [9:12]
Hmm, interesting because the people that I attract in my network, if you like, are usually at the point of transformation. And that’s why they’re attracted to me. That’s why they would be attracted to me as a coach as a, as a as a motivator as somebody that is a social change leader. That’s why they would come into my network. So they’re already either in the middle of a transformation know that they need to do it but need some support doing it, or might actually be in their second or third because, you know, I think a lot of us have two or three different careers in our lifetime. Now we never used to, but kind of started to be quite a pattern. So a lot of people of my generation, I mean, I was 50 last year, so a lot of people might
David Ralph [9:57]
believe it now.
Jane Kenyon [9:58]
Scary internet. But you know, I don’t really do that. And you know, so a lot of people I think are in their second or third act if you like. So I see quite a bit of it. But I think that’s because I’m in a unique position in that, you know, I think you attract what you put out. So I’m more likely to attract people that, that have some synergy with the way I live. And what I’ve done, then people who who haven’t and don’t
David Ralph [10:24]
write it is a good question. I shouldn’t as the host, I shouldn’t say it’s a good question is up to you to decide is a good question. But you start a business, and how do you attract these people? When you say you attract them? It’s almost like there’s magic in the air and they just find you. How have you done it?
Jane Kenyon [10:43]
Well, I think when you’re in flow, and what I mean by flow is when you are doing something that you love what you’re doing the right things. So it isn’t just about saying, Well, you know, I absolutely love inspiring other people. So I’m going to do now. Yeah, that’s great. But how What you’re going to do that, well, I’m going to do that because what I’m really good at, I’m good at, I’m good on my feet, I’m good at standing in front of people and getting them to tune into what I’m talking about. I’m good at telling stories. I’m good at that creating that brand interest. That’s me in flow. Now, I could easily have said, I’m going to set up a business inspiring people and I’m going to coach people, that’s what I’m going to do. Now that wouldn’t be me in flow, because that’s a one to one relationship. And although I’m a brilliant coach, and doing that seven days a week, I would be crying in the corner, because that is not me in flow. Me and flow is one too many mean flow is in front of 5000 people, me and flow is out in the world, talking connecting people and you know, being in a crowd, and you know, being on that stage. That’s my flow. So to be able to take what you do, and you love and put it into that context, that’s when you rock, that’s when you really start to see the momentum. That’s when you really start to build a tribe fan base. And, you know, a huge network. And it’s getting that because if I didn’t, I could still inspire people and do it from my desk, if I wasn’t interested if I wasn’t in flow on my feet. And I was in flow pros in process mode, I can still inspire people by having the most amazing website with the most amazing people on it. And videos and radio stations, and you know, what recommends and so and I could still do it. And it doesn’t mean to say that you have to do it the way I do it. It’s just that me and flow is out there on my feet. That is what I do. And the lesson for me has been in all the businesses that I’ve been in, some of them I haven’t been in flow, some of them I’ve been doing stuff that as fat founded. Sure. And even though I’ve enjoyed the business, my role and come tribution in that business has been wrong. And I think that’s the problem a lot of us have, we think that being in passion is the same thing as being in flow. And it isn’t, you have to have the two things together, you have to have something that you care about. And you know, that might be finance, that might be banking, you might be really passionate about that. But you also have to be in flow doing it. And there are lots of different types of flow. And you can be a back of house person or a front of house person. You can be a people person or a process person. But you have to know what that is. So you can put the two things together. When you put the two things together, you create massive momentum. It’s like a combustion. And that’s when things really start to happen.
David Ralph [13:44]
Right over let’s really frame this because you’ve mentioned flow maybe 30 times better. And it sounds like you’re working with a lady called flow. So for the people out there that don’t know what that actually is. Explain what fellow is all about.
Jane Kenyon [14:00]
Okay, so for me flow is what you do brilliantly. It’s what you’re standing out without even needing to try. It’s your kind of your natural energy. Now, the thing is about flow, most of us have no idea what it is. Because we live in a society that that kind of forces us and directs us to be generalists. And this starts at school. So we are educated in a generic way. And we take and I see this all the time, we take young people that are very creative, and we knock it out of them. Because we say to them, oh, you know, you won’t get a job doing that. You won’t get a job being an artist, you’re not make any money drawing, you’re not make any money doing things like that. So you know, you need to get back into the core here, the core stuff and get better at your math, and your science. And you know, all these things, because this is what’s going to help you get a job. Or we take somebody that’s brilliant at drama, we knock it out of them, because we say you know you’re going to get a job doing that. It’s very competitive. Only few people end up successful. So you just stopped doing that. Get out of your head. Get back into the core here and do your math in your English, and so on and so forth. So we’re already starting to mess with people’s flow very early. And then we start work. And the same thing happens to us. So if we work in a big organisation, we’ve got to be generalists. So every appraisal we ever have, is all focused on what we’re not good at the things that we need to do better. So for instance, when I was at school, I was a girl that talked a lot surprised eyes. And I was always getting trouble for this, you know, I, you know, I was always getting sent out of class, but talking, I was always told I would never make net, nothing would ever come of that and I now make a living doing that. So you know, but it’s taken me a journey to get back to that. So now we leave school we go into work, and in work, I was always told when I was in corporate, you know, a genuine, brilliant people person. You know, you’re a fantastic leader. You’re a natural leader. Everybody wants to be in your team, your team develop faster than anybody else. They seem to connect better, but the thing is, you’re not that Great at finance and project management. And if you want to get on, really what we need to do is put you into a job here or sideline you into this job that’s all about financial control. It’s all about, you know, breakeven analysis, and, you know, project management. And when you put when you’ve nailed that, when you can do that, then we’ll promote you. So you’re taking me out of flow again. So the one thing that I’m brilliant at, you’re not actually recognising, you’re not giving me any reward for that you’re not promoting me for that. You’re telling me that I now need to switch over here and do all the stuff that I absolutely hate, takes me out of flow depresses me, D motivates me, doesn’t make me a great employee. So I leave, and I got to the next job where I can get back in flow. So the whole hierarchal structure of most organisations is not built on keeping people in flow is built and making people into generalists. You’ve got to be good at lots of different things. So then you decide, you know what, I’m fed up with this. I’m going to go out and do my own thing. And you know, you you define that only thing as the business rather than the flow. So you say, you know, my background is marketing and brand development. So I know how to grow a business, I know how to kind of make a commercial and offer. And you know, I’ve worked for big companies in in, in brand, brand management and marketing. So now to do that, so I set up a business doing that, because that’s what I know how to do. And but that business in that, that that area could be so many different things. And but I have to recognise that actually my flow is in the people side of that business. And that my flow is actually out talking to people and connecting with people and communicating with people on my feet. And when I put that together with the business, then I’ll see the big difference. So we’ve got lots of square pegs in round holes, and that’s what flow is flow is about the fit is making sure that you’re doing what you’re good at. Because when you do that That’s where your momentum is. And that is actually where your wealth is. Because wealth follows flow, if you’re doing something that you’re brilliant at is easy. And the problem with that is we don’t value things when they’re easy, because we think it’s easy. We’re doing it wrong. It’s got to be hard work, actually, to be right.
David Ralph [18:18]
Yeah, I agree with all this. I agree with it so much, literally, must have been about 30 times in that speech that you did. I thought, I want to jump in here. I want to jump in here because it’s true. I’ve worked in so many companies, and I’m always talking about this my last company, they used to say, David, you’re a maverick, you’re a maverick. And it was like it was a bad thing. Because I was always looking for creative ways of doing stuff and trying to inspire people to have fun while they were at work. And it’s madness, isn’t it, but we have got these people that are naturally talkative or naturally creative or naturally, whatever. And we try to bang it out of them. And I see that time and time again, and it hasn’t changed. That’s the madness. Even though we know that you get somebody in a position, doing what they love doing, they’re gonna do it better and give you more productivity. I still see that kind of management narrow thinking that you see where you go, right? Okay, you’re good at doing it. You’re good at doing that. But you’re not very good at doing this. And I used to scream literally my performance agreement. I’m not very good at doing it because I don’t like doing it
Unknown Speaker [19:24]
like doing it. Don’t make me don’t
David Ralph [19:28]
just want to do the stuff I can do. And I’m going to do it really well. Don’t give me the other stuff.
Jane Kenyon [19:32]
The problem is that we don’t promote on that basis. You see, we reward people buy promotion, and promotion is generally to a job that takes them out of flow. So we take the best police, police officers on the beat the police officers that are really into community relationships, community development, and we put them behind a desk as a sergeant when we promote them, so we’ve had and completely out of flow and we wonder why they’re not surviving the job. And we take the best salespeople The organisation, the ones that are brilliant relationship builders, and you know will close a deal because of the power of their relationships, we promote them to a sales manager. So they sit behind the desk, watching other people kakak everything that they’ve just developed in the field. So we don’t have the facility in these big organisations to say, you know, Jane, you’re a brilliant sales woman, and I’m keeping you in that job, because you are brilliant at it, but I’m going to pay you more. So I’m gonna burn
David Ralph [20:30]
out. Jane, did you get the burnout? Looking back on it now when you were 35? Was it because but you weren’t playing to your strengths. You wasn’t in that state of flow? Or was it just that you had too much on your plate at that time?
Jane Kenyon [20:42]
I wasn’t in flow. I was in quite. I’ve had from leaving corporate 28 and I became a serial entrepreneur over the next 10 years. So in that 10 years, up to being 38. I had 10 businesses. And so I was and you know, some of them were were were very success. cessful made me wealthy and some of them were not successful and like, literally took all my money and took me to the brink of bankruptcy. So, you know, I was kind of playing that roller coaster game, I was looking, I was searching, I was trying to work out what it is I should be doing, and making and losing money in the process. And because some of those businesses really didn’t fit my flow at all, and some of them did. And it took me a while to work out. Well, when I made the money, what was I doing? It’s not because what we do is we look at their business and say, Oh, well, that was because you were in a lifestyle business, or that’s because you were in a widget making business is not about the business. It’s about what were you doing in it? What were you doing in it? And because it’s you that makes the business issue that makes the money in the business. So what were you doing in that business where it worked, versus where it didn’t work, and the ones where it worked, I wasn’t in the office. I was out.
David Ralph [21:57]
I was simple as that. You will kind of you’re representing and you was inspiring and you were getting up in front of people I was,
Jane Kenyon [22:05]
I was that I was the face of the business. I was the brand, where it worked. It was me as the brand. And, you know, I discovered something called wealth dynamics. I don’t know if you’ve come across wealth dynamics, but I discovered it in my late 30s. dynamics is an is a personality test for entrepreneurs. And it’s all about flow. And it’s created by a guy called Roger Hamilton. And he talks about there being eight types of entrepreneurs. And you if once you understand your type of entrepreneur where you sit, you can then work out what your leverage is and where your money is. Because Money Follows flow. And so that was a bit of a revelation for me because I was kind of coming to the conclusion that what I needed to do and again, I’ve got a very wise man, who was kind of saying to me, Jane, what you need to be doing is speaking because when you speak the you wake up the room, and that’s what you should be doing and I was like, I’m not so sure about that. I make money doing that. Is that really you know what I should be doing? That’s part of what you should be doing. It’s you know, it’s got to be about you
David Ralph [23:07]
got to be what what do you said that you didn’t you sort of think to yourself? Yeah. That sounds good to me. Did he?
Jane Kenyon [23:16]
Did it? Yeah, I felt it felt uncomfortable because it felt a little bit egotistical and it felt all it’s all about me then not so sure. I like that. And also, I’ve been kind of, I’ve had it content to me, that, you know, being an entrepreneur is about building something that’s bigger than you. It’s about systems, it’s about processes. It’s about volume. It’s about you know, all this stuff that you learn at business schools and everything. And so I for somebody to keep saying to me, well, actually nice about you just felt a bit. Well, you know, there’s only one of me So how am I going to build a business about me? Because I didn’t understand flow. I didn’t understand that actually. That was really easy to do because of the attraction quality of that. You can build a business look at Oprah You know, Oprah is the is the ultimate. And she has a set I have the same profile as Oprah in terms of wealth dynamics. And she’s built a brand based on her as I stopped her has a look at Tony Robbins is another one. So, you know, it just took me a while to get it and feel comfortable with it because it was very different to what my in my head as a as an entrepreneur what I thought being an entrepreneur was, but
David Ralph [24:25]
let’s bring Oprah into the show now. Because Yeah, I’ve started bringing in Yes, yeah, she’s always with me. Just open the drawer. And there she is. Little Oprah. little flexible Oprah. This is a speech that she made about focusing in on the next step and the next step only when you’re actually planning your path and I think it is very useful to hear again, this is
Oprah Winfrey [24:45]
all the way through the challenge is to get still and ask yourself what is the next right move? not think about, Oh, I got all of this stuff. What is the next right move and then in that space, make the next right move, and the next right move, and not to be overwhelmed by it. Because you know, your life is bigger than that one moment, you know, you’re not defined by what somebody says is a failure for you, because failure is just there to point you in a different direction.
David Ralph [25:17]
So when you had faced realisation that you are the brand, and you are the money making identity, did you get quiet and then think well, how the hell am I going to do this? Or did it just become obvious to you? Was it like Oprah said that you you just bought like a what’s the first step I need to do and then worked on the next one and the next one.
Jane Kenyon [25:41]
And I get quiet a lots of times in my life, because I’m a big fan of visualising. And I’m a big fan of meditation. So I suppose I’ve I’ve always done that I’ve always been able to sit and hold where I am, and hold my space and thinking about, you know where I’m going and is it working and Mr. Happy Or am I still doing some things I’m not particularly comfortable doing? So I’m kind of in a pattern of doing that, I suppose. I’ve taken that time out. But I think what happens is that the more you do something when you’re in flow, which is what we’re still talking about, then you start to recognise that it works. So it’s very powerful. So if I am and I do still have to sit in front of my PC, as I am doing today, and I do still have to do, right, right. And, you know, and develop programmes and do all the strategic stuff that you need to do when you run a business or two, so still have to do that. And, you know, I can’t hand that over to somebody else. And
David Ralph [26:43]
why can you hand it over to somebody else? He doesn’t really excite you. Yeah,
Jane Kenyon [26:47]
yeah. Well, I mean, don’t do I don’t do things like financial stuff, I don’t know account centre and I don’t do admin and I don’t just define that but when when you’re running businesses that are very key to you and as your your brother It’s your voice. And so, you know, I’m very clear that, you know, the material has to be my voice and the websites have to be my voice and, you know, so I’m still a bit of a control freak in some of those areas. And I’m sure Oprah would tell you the same thing. You know, when it’s your name on something, and it’s, you know, it’s, it’s focused on your journey, you better be damn sure that you are comfortable with the way that that’s promoted because that is your credibility on the line. So I think I’ll always be a control freak about some of those things that I’ve I’ve come to terms with that David competitors and that and but he was saying about being quiet wasn’t Uh, yeah. So you know, I do have those those moments when I’m quiet, but I think that when you recognise what your flow is, when you do something in flow, you see the impact it has and you go yet, that was a day when I was in flow. And I get that because the Twitter feeds gone up like governmental. And you know about all these emails. And I’ve had 60 people sign up to be big sisters in that business. And I’ve had, you know, three new contracts there. I was in flow, I get it, it makes sense. On the days when I’m not, that doesn’t happen. So I think that the more time you spend in flow, the more you recognise, I was on fire there. I was in the zone in the zone is another way to describe it. I was in the zone today. That’s me doing what I’m here to do. That’s me in flow, and look at the result of that. So you know, that makes perfect sense, then doesn’t it that I should be doing more of that, because when I’m doing this, that doesn’t happen. So I think you just get into, you know, into a routine and you start to see it, and you start to see the impact of it. And that’s how you recognise it.
David Ralph [28:48]
So, let’s go back in time again, which we do on this show a lot. We jump back and forth, back and forth. And when did you come to that realisation bow? Well, this is the key thing, so many battles. listeners out there they are in that transformation period, as you say they’ve got that inkling that there’s more to life than what they’re doing. But it’s quite hard to go from that feeling to actually doing something about it. It’s very hard to have that feeling of being create a plan to step forward. And how did you do that? Do it so successfully? Was it a straight line? Or has it been a
Jane Kenyon [29:23]
way? No way? No, nothing’s ever been linear. No such thing as a straight line. I think as I would recognise that I was unhappy, or let’s take the first big move that corporate move. And I was only in corporate because what has happened to me in my youth, so I don’t think I would ever have ended up in the jobs that I was in. If I hadn’t been kicked out of the family home at 16 and left alone and broke. I kind of was forced into working for a living for somebody else because of the situation that I was in. My father was a very successful entrepreneur. I kind of always knew that that’s where I would go, but I needed to keep a roof over my head and I needed to support myself. And so I ended up working for a living, working for other people. So I was never particularly comfortable doing that. I’m not very good at being told what to do. Probably the reason I got kicked out when I was 16. And there’s a pattern here, I don’t like people telling me what to do. So I didn’t really, I found corporate very difficult. I’m saying that I fast tracked a career. I was a workaholic for 10 years, I did very, very well. And I ended up at 28 with a big corporate job marketing director of a big multinational training company, two degrees and an MBA. So I did that I did. I played the game, but I did always feel like it was a game. I was always aware that it was a game. And I was always aware that I wasn’t allowed to be who I was because when I tried to be who I was, I got pushed down. So when I tried to be this person that was really interested in other people and, and you know, have these natural charisma to, to kind of motivate other people I became a threat to others, so I was always conscious that I needed to keep quiet. And Jane keeping quiet is not Jane. So I always knew that I was out out of out of sync. I wasn’t really comfortable. So I always knew it wasn’t the end game. I always knew that I would do something else. I just needed to know what it was. So I’m all the way through my 20s. That’s why I just kept studying. So that’s why I did a marketing degree that I did a business degree. Then I went on to do an MBA, and I did those things because I knew that would open up doors for me. So I was consciously on a journey. At that point. I was consciously looking for that next step. It didn’t happen by the click of a finger. I was I was waiting for it. I was planning it. I was reading. I was doing courses I was studying, and I was increasing expanding my network all the time. So when it became unbearable, in my late 20s and I thought you know this is actually sucking the life out of me. I can’t sustain this anymore. It had been a gradual process. I didn’t just go into work one day and go, okay, people, I’m off. And I have to work a three month notice anyway. And my team knew that I was getting ready to move. And I started to told it. And so I started to talk to people. And I started to talk to a few headhunters. I started to talk to a few people about going into my own business. And, and, and I made that move in probably a year. So for six months, I kind of talked to people. And then I gave my notice and, and fortunately for me, the company made me work it because in those three months, I then went out and told everybody, I was good on my own. I’m setting up a marketing company.
David Ralph [32:47]
It’s funny when you save is that there’s so many similarities between you and me. I remember consciously throughout my career, that as you were saying when you start talking and when you get passionate you instead People and I used to see that all the time, I’d be speaking to people in pubs and in clubs and stuff. And you could just see them sort of like rose somehow in front of me. And when I used to do my training courses, when I flipped my switch, and got myself going, the room was on fire somehow. So that’s the flow aspect. But when I quit my last job, I had to give a free mumps notice because I’ve been so long, and it was a drag going into work every single day. But in that free mums, I basically created the plan of what I wanted to do when I left. And it’s a very useful thing, isn’t it to be in a job that is paying you but they kind of switch off to your needs in the office.
Unknown Speaker [33:46]
When you don’t give them blood anymore? Do
David Ralph [33:48]
no you don’t and that’s the time when you can really create the next step. You can really set yourself going forward and I went from being pretty integral to Not exactly being a laptop, I sat there for three months with nothing to do. They just didn’t want to give me anything because I got a new trainer in I’ve got a new training manager. So I just kind of sat on the internet and I paid. And during that free mums, I pretty much realised that a life of playing is available. And once you get that inkling, yes, you starting going on here?
Jane Kenyon [34:21]
Yeah, and I mean, they only kept me on for that three months, because there was some key things happening in the business that there was only me could do. And so that’s all I did. So I just did those things. I spent the rest of time in my office, talking to people arranging meetings, and telling people what I was going to do. And by the time I left, I took two of my team with me, and I walked away with a million pound contract. So keeping me in there for three months was a really stupid thing to do from their point of view, but a gift from mine. So, you know, I suppose that that and that process of leaving that job have been going on for maybe four years. So it wasn’t in this instant moment, it was a realisation that I couldn’t sustain this and that my time was coming. And that, you know, I’d made enough money to survive on my own for 12 months without anything. You know, so I was going to give myself 12 months to, to make that transition. And that transition that I made, was running a business in the same profession that I’ve been working in. So again, that’s not flow. That’s, that’s, you know, that’s finding the business that you feel comfortable with. But it’s not necessarily doing what you want to do in that business. So I saw only survive two years in that business before I sold it to the team and I moved on, but it was what got me out. It was what got me out of one thing into the next.
David Ralph [35:47]
Well, let’s play some words. Now that really emphasise this point. You’re at that moment in your life where you’ve tried numerous things. You realise, but they don’t quite fit. They’re not quite you. This is Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey [35:59]
My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [36:26]
Does that really sort of emphasise that point that we’re talking about?
Unknown Speaker [36:30]
Yeah, I love that great, quote, great guy. Why do you
David Ralph [36:35]
totally believe in that now, I totally believe in them, but the majority of my listeners haven’t quite grasped the fact that that’s your key, isn’t it? That’s your key to the door. That’s the key to a future. Yes, you’re gonna have to put effort in. Yes, you’re gonna have to probably work harder than you’ve done before. But you’re gonna love doing it. So it doesn’t quite feel like work. Why do you think people don’t buy into that?
Jane Kenyon [36:57]
I think we’re conditioned not to buy into I think it, it suits our economy and it and it suits and you know, the haves to not allow us to believe that because if we all do this, if we all believed that, you know, work should be, you know, fun and fulfilling and we should be able to make a living at what we want to do won’t be anybody to run the offices with the way anybody to run their businesses, and you know, won’t be any anyone to work on their dream. So, you know, I just think we’re a bit conditioned to it, or we get a bit brainwashed. And, you know, you can sit in front of somebody and say all this to them, and even then, only 510 percent of the people will will do it, and I’m not so sure that will really ever change. And, you know, I’d like to, I like to think it will, but I think it will take a long time. And it’s because we still have this kind of work ethic. And that you know, works got to be hard and you know, this is how you earn your money working for somebody else and you know, I think at the moment is only the brave, and the people that have got to the real end of their tether, and or it’s made them ill, or that they are. I mean, I used to feel physically sick some days having to go and work for somebody else. The thought of I mean, I never slept on a Sunday night. And I was always thinking about what I had on the following week. And if I got through the week without a meltdown, I don’t well, and the meltdown was usually I can’t do this anymore. I am sick to death of people telling me what to do and how to feel and what you know what what it should look like and follow up
David Ralph [38:35]
with that. Don’t worry, that’s the thing when you go What the hell I used to come out in psoriasis. And I used to have this terrible skin condition mammy face when I was at work. And it didn’t dawn on me until, I dunno, I was up in the garden one day, and I suddenly had four days off, and I suddenly realise he gone up. Oh, oh, that’s strange. It’s cleared up. Then I went back to work. It can Back again. And I 74 hang on miss this. There’s pressure here that something’s not quite right in my body. But we put up with it.
Jane Kenyon [39:08]
Yeah, we do. Yeah, we do because we’re frightened. And we have a fear of of lack. And so we, you know, we don’t know how else to do it. We don’t know how else we do we get another job, do we, you know, do we do something for ourselves? Do we? How do we do that and who’s going to pay the mortgage? While we’re trying to do that, because we set our lives up with so much financial baggage that, you know, unravelling that trying to get away from that. It’s not well, I can’t do that unless I can secure this for six months or that for 12 months or, and you know, and then and if you say to people will, why don’t you say what and do that then why don’t if you know what you need to live on for a year. Why don’t you save that up? Maybe it takes you two years to do it. And then you’ve got that safety net, but we’re so financially stuck because we’ve created a life that fits our salary. So you know, we haven’t got it In any leeway, we haven’t got any spare. Because, you know, if we get paid more, we just get a bigger house with a bigger mortgage and a bigger car and we go on bigger holidays, and we put our kids in an expensive school. So we’re constantly strung out financially. And again, that’s what the establishment ones, because that also keeps you stuck. So it’s in their interest to keep you in that place. And and I think that that’s a realisation when you get there, then you then that gives you a bit of armed to fight against it to say, Well, I want a minute, this is my life. You know, this is this is my life and I’m going to do what I want to do. So we don’t need to move to that big house will stay here and we’ll put the money into savings. And in two years, I’m going to be out of here. But people don’t palm deny that, you know, they don’t tend to project that forward. They just cope with what they’ve got.
David Ralph [40:52]
I planed and it wasn’t a plan. I say that like I’m a mastermind here. It was. I look back on it. Yeah, I started making movements for about six years to get to this point. And I started cancelling the cable and the phone line and changing gas providers and all this stuff, just to find extra money to chip away at debts. And so when I left my corporate gig, I could afford to take a hell of a whack of my salary, and have two years and I could basically survive for two years to grow the show and bring it up to where I want it to be. Would I go back and do that again? Yes, in a heartbeat. Does it seem like a long time? Yes, it was six years. But those six years have passed anyway, I could have just done something totally different and still be in the same position. So I think it’s a key thing, isn’t it? If people go are two years at so long, unless you get hit by a car or something nasty, you’re going to be even two years anyway.
Jane Kenyon [41:52]
Yeah, and you want to move and you’ll still be in the same situation and so on and so forth. And I also think it’s about this word, risk of Well, I think some people are more comfortable with risk than others. And you know, I am pretty comfortable with risk. And you know it, I don’t know if it’s in my DNA, you know, I don’t know, it’s something you’re born with or not, but, you know, I’ve taken risks all my life and will continue to take them. Because for me, you know, the alternative is mediocrity. And that does not appeal to me in any way shape or form I would rather be known for being somebody that actually took the risk and failed, then somebody that just sat there in a comfort zone comfort zones don’t don’t float my boat at all. And so I think some people are more comfortable with that. And and you know, what I always say to people is, you know, you you know that most people particularly women have a have a fear of debt. They have a fear of around financial debt. And so when you talk to them about them setting for business is all around this, or, you know, I might have to take out a loan and I might have to have an overdraft and You know, I’d rather grow a business organically, I don’t want, I don’t want investment in it, because that’s debt and so on and so forth. And again, it’s how we’re programmed because you don’t think the same thing about your mortgage, do you? You know, you’ve got this huge mortgage in your house and massive debt. And you know, you don’t own your house, you know, the financial institutions only house, you only own it, when you pay it off. You try not paying that mortgage for six months, you’ll find out who owns your house, and it isn’t you. Now, if you can have that mentality, that that is an investment. And you know, so you see it differently, then why can’t you transfer that that mindset into you and say that you should be an investment or your business needs investment, and go out and get the money to make it work? You know, it a lot of the time. It’s what we’re programmed to believe. And you know, one of my things is about reprogramming people and about reframing what’s going on, so that they see that, that they get that moment and they see things differently, and they go Yeah, you’re Yeah, I’m going to do that, because you can’t grow a business without money.
David Ralph [44:03]
And you know, is that the starting point when that Penny drops for them? And you’re right, Jane, did you go on the go? Don’t know why.
Jane Kenyon [44:12]
Yeah, yeah. Or they might stumble again, because something else happens. So you know, the deal with one limiting belief, and there another six around the corner. So when you start doing things, it then then it becomes something else, then it’s like, when I’m not sure, you know, I won’t be there for my kids. You know, if a setup if I know, if I’m now talking about growing a business, as opposed to running a business out of my bedroom, if I’m not talking about growing a business, or that means we have to employ people, and when new premises and I’ll be away from home and and you know, I’m just worried about what what my kids might think about that, and so on and so forth. But what as well, as opposed to you sitting at home, what do you think they’ll think about that? Why don’t you ask them? And, you know, what do you think being a role model is? I mean, what would you want them to do? Would you want them to live their best life Would you want them to play safe? You know, what do you want them to do? Because they’ll do what you do. They’ll copy you, you know, they’ll get their cues and their values and their future pace from you. So you know, the next one appears and you taught them through that and then they carry on and then it will be something else. So you know, it’s that’s part of the journey, isn’t it? You know, it’s dealing with this stuff as it happens. But actually, you don’t need to deal with any of this stuff. If you don’t do anything. You never have to ask yourself any questions if you don’t do anything, so you know that and that’s called like mediocre isn’t it? Don’t do anything to stay where you’re never look any different.
David Ralph [45:40]
Yes, so many people do that and is it it kind of links us to my sort of last questions really, but I’ve been keeping looking at this statement. Your book super woman has sale by night has expired time to show Little Miss perfect but door. What does that actually mean? Who was a little miss perfect.
Jane Kenyon [46:00]
Well, I mean, Superwoman and Little Miss perfect are the same identity. And you know what, in my, in the past 10 years, I’ve worked with thousands of women. And this is a kind of behaviour model, if you like that I’ve seen over and over again. And that, you know, it’s a symptom of, of having it all. So, you know, we hear this term all the time about having it all. And I always say to people, you know, I don’t remember asking for it all. And I don’t even know what it is. But I’m supposed to want it all. And for me, what that means is a woman generally is to have a career and a family somehow that’s having it all. But the results of that is lots of women and trying to do everything perfectly juggling and being time poor, and thinking that they need to be in control of everything and do it perfectly. So the model goes something like this, you know, you’ve got to be the best mom, the best wife, the best domestic goddess, the best social host, the best mama The school gates, the best boss, the best team player, the best best friend, the best daughter, the best sister, the best neighbour, and so on. And you have to do all that perfectly all the time. And you put those expectations on yourself, because you think that that’s what you’re supposed to do. You’re supposed to be good at all of these things. And you’re supposed to do it looking like you’ve just walked off a lorry, I’ll add, this was a look perfect while you do it as well. And these are the messages that women are getting all around them. So they continue to do this. And and because they have these really high expectations of themselves, they have very low expectations of other people. So nobody else can do anything as well as them. So they might as well do themselves. And nobody does things to the same standard. You can’t get the staff so they don’t grow a business and they control everything. And when you control everything, that’s when you start talking about you know work life balance. That’s when you start talking about juggling. And when you do that, and you juggle all these different things family kids work and you know you personal grooming friendships, dinner parties, all this stuff, when you do all of that, eventually one of those plates drops. And when it does, you have a tendency to blame everybody else because it can’t possibly be your fault, because you’re doing everything. So this model of behaviour is very destructive, because it goes from being this strong super woman to victim overnight, in fact, probably 10 times a day. And, you know, it is not a great life model to pass on. It puts a lot of pressure on women, and, and it shows up in lots of different ways. So it shows up in your role as a as a as a parent in a partnership as a wife, it shows up in your role as a boss, it shows up in your role as a businesswoman because you won’t grow the business because you won’t let go of it. And it shows up in your role as a mother, because you tend to be a military mom controlling everything, and which isn’t a great thing to do for your kids. So the book is about how that Superwoman is destroying who you really are. Because if you were authentic, if you were being who you are, you would let go of some of this stuff. You wouldn’t need to be perfect. You’d recognise the real people make mistakes real people ask for help. Real people accept help. Real people don’t need to control everything to get power, you know, super woman’s actually confused control with power. You know, controlling everything doesn’t give you power just gives you a headache. You know, real power comes from within. And real power comes from recognising that you’re not perfect, and that it’s okay to make mistakes and fail, because that’s where the lessons are. And that’s how you build resilience. So it’s kind of getting rid of this image of women, that you know, if you do have a job and a family, then you’ve got to like be the Superwoman and be brilliant at all. And it is a behaviour and a model that I have worked with thousands of women. So don’t
David Ralph [49:46]
is it different from a man because I realised the other day, I’ve got kids, and I was doing series of shows and it was my recording day and my wife suddenly couldn’t have the kids and I said what, Okay, no problem at all what I do, I will record a show and I’ll run back into the house to make sure they’re all right. And I’ll put films on for them, and then run back. And fortunately, I record at the end of the garden so I can get back and forth. And as I was recording it, I was thinking to myself, actually, my life hasn’t stopped. I’ve made people fit around me. So I’m still doing the work that I love to do. Where my wife would have juggled other things and try to get, I don’t know, some kind of assistance somehow to make sure that she didn’t drop those plates. But with a man I think we just go, yeah, this needs to be done. You’ve been around me but women go the opposite route.
Jane Kenyon [50:41]
And I in my conversations with women, and bear in mind, I work exclusively with women. In my conversations with women, I generally see four types of women and this has all happened because women have gone into work. So bear in mind that women have only been in the workplace for 5060 years. We you know, as a New part of our identity. And we have to accept that. So when I talk to professional women, and you know, women that work in companies or run businesses, I generally see four types. The first two women that have chosen work over family and are in conflict about it. The second the women that have chosen family overwork, entering conflict about it, the third of women that have chosen to have a family and work, and guess what they’re in conflict about it. And the fourth of women, they’re somehow managed to block out all these noise and find their own path and make it work for them. Maybe they’ve got different relationships with their partners, and it’s seen as more of a team, ie the family isn’t my responsibility. It’s our responsibility. And so this is what I’m doing this week. What are you doing and making it work so they have different relationships, and they are generally working in something they love. So work isn’t a chore and therefore they make it part of their lives. And they build their life into that. It’s not two separate things. It’s not work head, home head, you know, and they tend to be more wise about all of this. So what I’m about is creating more women in that fourth category, women that understand that you know, you are or you have a work had under home had, you have these out different elements of your identity, and you need to make them all work and fit without losing you. Because that’s what’s happening to a lot of women. You know, they’re taking on like different identities and Superwoman is one of them, because they’re losing who they are trying to do everything and be everything, rather than looking at it as being one part of the plan. So I’m all about helping women be that fourth type, and I call those women divas. So I’m all about creating divas, because a diva is a woman who knows who she is. She knows what she wants. She knows what she’s here for and she’s Happy to make mistakes and fail because she knows that’s where she learns. And that’s where she builds their resilience. And she creates a life based on who she is not what she looks like.
David Ralph [53:09]
So that’s where the well heeled divas came about. And was it?
Jane Kenyon [53:13]
Yeah, I mean, the well heeled divas came about because when I hit that second wall, and that that, you know, that second critical moment in my mid to late 30s. And I started thinking about, you know, why am I here? What should I be doing? I had recognised some of the things I was brilliant at when I was in flow. And I knew that I was in flow when I was on my feet speaking, which I did a lot in my job. And you’re always in flow, working with people on transformation. So I knew I was always a mentor in any organisation I worked in, and I worked a lot of time and consultancy, but always ended up as a mentor. And so I knew that I was good at helping other people work through things. So I took those things. I thought maybe there’s something here that I can make money out and do more of a so I took a year out and I was very lucky to do that. And if you believe in luck But I work to be able to get that one year out. And that is the same time that I met my husband. So I took a year out and I travelled. And I did lots of different things. I did lots of personal development work. And I trained to be a coach in that time. So when I came back after that year, and for me, the aha moment was being a coach. And I did that, and I did it for a year set up a practice. And I attracted more women than men, interestingly enough, so I coached a lot of women, and I started to see a lot of patterns in their behaviour. And I’ve never had an issue with self belief, as you can probably tell, and, and I started to see these really fantastically brilliant women. And when I scratched the surface, they were underneath they were just wracked with guilt about being at work and not being at home. And you know, they were struggling in a corporate environment because it was me it was it was making them become somebody that they’re not because their feminine energy and there that the female approach to business wasn’t appreciated. They were they were a mess. thought, oh my god, I need to do something about this. So as longside coaching them on a one to one, I started to connect them together. And then I got a bit bored with just coaching and my entrepreneur head kick back in. And that’s when I set up the well heeled divas. So I brought lots of other people in, I brought other coaches into work with me and I train them. And I created this whole brand around being a diva and I defined what that was. And the women just flocked to it, because they got it. They all wanted to be divas. They understood what it meant. They understood that they were being sabotaged in the situation’s they were putting themselves in, they understood that they were beating themselves up about who they were because they weren’t fitting into this organisation or that organisation. So they got it and I ran I run personal development weekends, retreats, coaching, peer group programmes, so I’ve been doing that since 2006. And the well heeled divas is that what led me into working with girls.
David Ralph [55:58]
So So what well on the join us dots timeline. What is the big.in your life when you look back on it and you go Yeah, but that was it. That was when really Jane Kenyan was born.
Jane Kenyon [56:11]
I would say it was the well heeled divas, I would say it was when I recognise the way I was feeling, actually. And the things that I’d been through could help other women. And it was when I realised the power of story, and the power of my story. And I saw how that affected are the women that I kind of sat back and thought, Oh, this is it. This is definitely it. I’ve definitely found something that absolutely juices me that I can get a hold of, that I can make an impact and a difference. And then two years into that journey. The big aha moment came when I recognised that I could take all of this knowledge and experience and lessons from my life and help teenage girls turn their life around. And the reason that happened was because within two years, I’d probably put 15 1600 women through various deeper programmes. And I used to run motivational events and some of the big cities in the UK every month, and some red flag started to show. So the first thing that happened was a lot of the women were bringing their daughters to the events, and which was unprecedented and I hadn’t suggested, and I thought that was interesting. Secondly, a lot of the women that I’d coached asked me if I would coach their daughters, again, that was a second red flag. And the third was I started being invited into schools to speak as an entrepreneur, and as a successful woman, as a role model. Can you come in and speak to year nine about your journey and I started to do that I was freaked by what I was seeing in schools and was really upset by the lack of aspiration and girls. And you know, as a feminist and as pro women. I was mortified what some These girls wanted to be when they grew up a wag glamour model. And I just thought, Oh my God, this, this is what I’m here for. This is why my journey has brought me to this point. This is why I’ve done everything that I’ve done. This is why I’ve got the experience, the knowledge and the passion that I’ve got, because this, this is about this, I need to change this, I need to do something about this. I need to get these girls to see that the role models are not the glamour girls. The role models are not wax. The role models are actually divas. And I’m going to bring these women into the classroom, and they’re going to change your belief system and that’s what goes out loud does so in a way. Actually, I recognised that my my journey here. What I am about is female empowerment in all these guises so when people say to me, would you prefer to work with women or girls there is no either or because they’re both part of the same thing, because those girls need role models. And we as women need to step up and be role models, and you’re not automatically a role model, you’re not a role model until you’ve got your own life sorted out. Because then and only then can you actually go and inspire somebody else. So you can’t inspire somebody if you’re a wreck, you know, or if you’re all over the place, or if you do what you don’t love, that’s not an inspiration to somebody else. So, for me, it’s all about helping women rock and then getting them into schools to pass it on. And that is what my passion is. So that kind of happened for me when I was about 38. Brilliant,
David Ralph [59:31]
what a story and I suppose the very last question that I’m going to ask before I send you back in time on the Sermon on the mine is the avatar of your business or you’ve a perfect avatar, is it about you?
Jane Kenyon [59:45]
It’s about my philosophy. It’s about what my my belief if you like, it’s about that I believe that everybody has the right to shine. And that’s what I’m about. So It has to move beyond me. So it’s about attracting people that believe what I believe and will pass that on. So it starts with me, but it won’t end with me. It will end with having a team of people and and thousands of people that have been through the programmes that I’ve developed. And Bill now believe what I believe, which is that they have a right to shine.
David Ralph [1:00:24]
Okay, I’ve got another question that’s just occurred to me. They do. I’m so inspired by what you’re doing. I’m sure that so many of our listeners across the world will be inspired. Can they get involved if they’re in Bora Bora is the only English Blake based ladies involved?
Jane Kenyon [1:00:40]
Well, at the well heeled divas is now moving to become an online brand. So and you’ll be able to become a diva or get involved in what diva DIMMs about all over the world. And that will happen this year and the books are forced out if you lie because my second book is out in six weeks. And that’s about that. That’s called diva wisdom. And you know, find your voice rock your world and pass it on. So I’m kind of moving the Divas as to be online. So anybody will be able to comedy diva female, obviously, the girls eyes a bit more difficult. And the girls out loud is currently going from being a regional business and social enterprise to national in the UK, who knows where it will end up? I’d love to see it all over the world. And you know, I would love to see it definitely in the States. And and you know, that will be part of my big vision for the next five to 10 years.
David Ralph [1:01:31]
There’s a need for this there’s a needle is Jane on wishing the best as you take. Well, there’s the end of the show. Now this is the part that we call the Sermon on the mic when I send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young Jane, what age would you choose and what advice would you give? Well, I’m going to play the theme tune now. And when it fades, you’re up. This is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [1:02:00]
We go with the best bit of the show.
David Ralph [1:02:15]
Okay, well, David, I fought long and hard about this question. And when you asked me to think about it, and I really struggled, because I’m not somebody that’s programmed to look back, I’m not programmed in the past at all. I’m very, I’m very future paced. So you know, I’m one of these people that believes the past is only useful if you want to live there. And I don’t want to live there. And I’m very much happy living in the present and planning for the future. So I don’t really have any regrets. And, and, you know, I recognise that everything that’s happened to me is happened to me for a reason. And that isn’t to say that it’s been easy, or I haven’t had challenges and I haven’t had critical moments. I mean, I’ve had them thrown at me left, right and centre. But I’m sure if I was talking to myself 16 2035 I could have worked smarter sometimes I could have been kinder to myself, I could have listened to my intuition more. I learned that lesson many times. And I could have spent less time doing this and more time doing that, I could have spent less money. So I didn’t carry so much debt for so long. And you know, there’s lots of different things I could have done. But I wouldn’t be who I am. I wouldn’t have attracted and created the life that I have, I wouldn’t have attracted the amazing husband that I’ve got, I wouldn’t have created the amazing network that I have a wouldn’t have the resilience that I have, which is probably one of my key characteristics. I wouldn’t have that resilience if I hadn’t failed. And I haven’t failed spectacularly many, many times. And so I wouldn’t be who I am. Without those challenges. And I wouldn’t change that for anything. You know, I wouldn’t do anything differently. I would still follow Over at the same point, and I would still, you know, have a meltdown at the same point, I would still beat myself up at the same point. Because that is my story. And I believe in the power of story, and I know how important stories are, particularly to women. And if I couldn’t tell that story, and actually show those women how I overcame that, and when I did at those key points to move forward, then I wouldn’t have the, the leverage that I have today, and I wouldn’t be able to do what I do today. And I wouldn’t be able to talk from the heart about that for a from an emotional standpoint about that, you know, I would be mediocre without any of those things. I would be normal without any of those things. God forbid, I will be average without any of those things. And, you know, that’s not my language that’s not in my makeup that is not in my DNA. So I don’t have any regrets. You know, I, without facing adversity, which I’ve done many times in my life, and I would be a shadow of my true self. So that’s really my answer to that question.
All your dots have joined up to make you who you are. Absolutely, absolutely. perfect answer, Jane, how can our audience connect with you?
Jane Kenyon [1:05:22]
And Twitter’s probably the best way at diva dem rocks. I’m a Twitter bird. I love Twitter. I love tweeting, you get access to my blog from there as well. And my two brands Well, your divas and girls out loud. So everything starts on Twitter.
David Ralph [1:05:37]
We will have all the links in the show notes. Jane, thank you so much for spending time with us today, joining up those dots. And please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past it’s actually the best way to build our futures. Jane Kenyon, thank you so much.
Jane Kenyon [1:05:52]
Thank you Good day.
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