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Introducing Chris Kennedy
Chris Kennedy is todays guest on the Join Up Dots business coaching podcast.
He is an author who has a story that really resonated with me when I read his backstory.
In fact so many of us will resonate with his tale, as it is one about unfulfilled dreams, held back, not by lack of talent, but lack of belief.
As he says “There was a time in my life where I didn’t see myself as an author, perhaps just like you. I knew I had stories to tell, but I was afraid that they wouldn’t be good enough…that I would be a laughing stock among my friends if I tried to publish them. It was a couple of years ago, right after I had been unemployed for almost a year. We had wiped out our savings and were very close to going under. My son wanted to go to college and I couldn’t afford it. I felt like a failure.
Then, a story came to me. I liked it, and when I started writing, it just naturally flowed. Pretty soon, I had a whole book written. There was only one problem—no agent would take it. I shopped it to agents month after month, and none of them were the least bit interested. Then I heard about self-publishing, but I didn’t know anything about it. I spent a lot of time researching it before finally deciding, “I can do this; I just need a plan.”
How The Dots Joined Up For Chris
Eventually, my book was ready. I loaded it into Amazon, but then I panicked. No one was home, and I sat at the kitchen table, staring at the computer screen. Sweat glistened on my brow as I looked at the cursor, hovering over the little button that said “Save and Publish.” I wanted to push the button more than anything else in the world, and yet I couldn’t.”
Isn’t that a fascinating point that anyone who has created momentum and success will understand.
You have done the work, you are proud of it, but scared stiff to show it to the world.
Your dreams are there in front of you, but you don’t want to take that final step that will slide the work over the top of the hill, where it runs away from you.
Well now with a series of books flying off the shelves, he loves nothing more than helping other authors do the same, and create words that they will love and the world will want more and more off.
So what was it about the written word that had such a pull on him throughout his working life?
And would he look back at himself now and like many others shout “Just start….get it out there!”?
Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots, with the one and only Mr Chris Kennedy.
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Chris Kennedy such as:
How you feel that you are going to lose control when you send your work out to the world and how scary that feeling is.
Why he feels it is so important to network and work on your relationships, even when you have nothing much to offer in return.
How the creative muse is so difficult to get into and why getting into the flow is the only place to be, no matter how hard it maybe to do.
Why you have to start finding something that you like at a minimum and work at it to find the passion that you are told exists.
How the quickest way to success is to find as many ways at solving peoples problems as you can and bringing value to the world.
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Full Transcription Of Chris Kennedy
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK. David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes, hello, everybody. Of course. It’s David Ralph, because this is Join Up Dots. Yes, it’s Episode 288 broadcasting from the United Kingdom to the ear parts of the world and I used to ask, I used to wonder where you listen and I used to get some really weird emails that people say I listened to you in bed in the morning I listened to you in the bar, and I’ve stopped asking that so if anybody has got some crazy places where you actually listen to Join Up Dots, and if it doesn’t involve hot water and soap, I’m very your man for that kind of story been sending across to us and we will share it on app. Now today’s guest let’s introduce you to him is an author who has a story that really resonated with me when I read his backstory, in fact, so many of us will resonate with these towel, as it’s one about unfulfilled dreams held back, not by lack of talent but lack of belief. As he says, There was a time in my life where I didn’t see myself as an offer, perhaps just like you I know, I had stories to tell. But I was afraid they wouldn’t be good enough that I would be a laughingstock amongst my friends if I tried to publish them. Now, it was a couple of years ago, right after I’d been unemployed for almost a year, we’ve wiped out our savings and we’re very close to going under. My son wanted to go to college, and I couldn’t afford it. I felt like a failure. When a story came to me, I liked it. And when I started writing, it just naturally flowed pretty soon I had a whole book written, there was only one problem, no agent would take it. I shopped it to agents month after month, and none of them were the least bit interested when I heard about self publishing, but I didn’t know anything about it. So I spent a lot of time researching it before finally deciding I can do this. I just need a plan. Eventually my book was ready. I loaded it into Amazon. But when I panicked, no one was home and I sat at the kitchen table staring at the computer screen. Sweat glistened on my brow as I looked at the cursor, hovering over the little button that said, Save and Publish. I wanted to push the button more than anything else in the world, and yet I couldn’t dramatic stuff you can see is an offer. Now Isn’t that fascinating point, but anyone who has created momentum and success would understand you’ve done the work, you’re proud of it, but you’re scared to death to show it to the world. Your Dreams are there in front of you. But you don’t want to take that final step that will slide the work over the top of the hill, where it runs away from you. Well, now with a series of books flying off the shelves, he loves nothing more than helping other authors do the same and create words that they will love and the world we want more and more. So what was it about the written word but had such a pull on him throughout his working life? And what do you look back himself now and like many others shout Just start just get it out there out there well that’s fine now as we bring them to the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Mr. Chris Kennedy How are you sir?
Chris Kennedy [3:12]
Hey I’m doing very well David How are you?
David Ralph [3:14]
I’m extremely well I’ve been recording all day and then just before you Skype died and I mentioned this all the time, I should stop saying it really because obviously technology does go down but I become so reliant on it when it does disappear from me. I’m not my unflappable self but I sound like as a host
Chris Kennedy [3:33]
technologies a neat thing when it works. Absolutely.
David Ralph [3:37]
Well what about technology at the moment cuz I’m interested in what what kind of things that you love in technological world but you hate as well because I’m getting a bit annoyed with my kids walking around with their iPads and stuff, and I think they’re getting addicted to it and you just have to lean forward to take it from them. And you can sense the distress of being a co D Do you have anything like that that you you have to have over time and if somebody takes it away from you, you start to sweat and perspire and become a bit nasty.
Unknown Speaker [4:10]
Now nothing really for me as much. Although I certainly understand about the kids I have an 18 year old boy and 216 year old girls and I kind of go both ways on it, you know, some days just want to grab everything and take it from them. But then again, my my son is now a freshman in college, studying game design. So I want everybody to play more.
David Ralph [4:34]
Did you do have a childhood like me that you were out on your bike all the time and you was just having fun? Because I I was kind of there before Atari Atari was the first one that sort of came along. I think Pong was the one before that which is a bit rubbish.
Unknown Speaker [4:50]
We must be about the similar age because I was the same thing. We were out playing basketball or baseball or, you know, doing something out in the street. You know from from You know, whatever, we woke up till it got dark. And sometimes we played in the dark and till mom said, What do you go? What are you doing out there? You’re gonna catch a ball in the face and your braces in your glasses and your whatever you know, and made us all come in.
David Ralph [5:15]
You don’t hear that anymore and I’m trying to work out who is the oldest between us. So let’s put it to the test. How old are you Chris?
Chris Kennedy [5:23]
David Ralph [5:24]
Ah, you’re older than me. I’m 44 but we are we were prime in the 70s aren’t we? When did you literally said to your mom and dad. What time do I need to be back? And I would go when it’s dark. And you used to be streetlights. Come on. Yeah. And you had no phone or anything that no idea where you were in the 70s it was great when there
Unknown Speaker [5:45]
David Ralph [5:47]
And some things happened. But some things didn’t and now in our minds, but we’re getting off a different tack. With yourself Chris came to the chase of it. Why were you such a scaredy pants to press that button because It is this thing that I hear time and time again, you put all the work in. It’s, it’s ready to go. But actually self publishing and delivering it to the world was a big obstacle.
Unknown Speaker [6:11]
I think losing control is the biggest thing. You know, up until that point, you can you have complete control over everything. You know if it goes horrifically wrong, you can press Delete, start over whatever. But once you press Save and Publish, it’s out there and there’s no calling it back, you know, for good batter or other you know, you’ve lost complete control and now you’re just going to have to see what people think. And and some people probably aren’t going to like it and they’re going to say mean things.
David Ralph [6:43]
But is that really what you want anyway, even if somebody says mean things, you’re still being noticed on you, you know, if you look at all the sort of famous people in the world, I would imagine more of them. Probably make as much money with the people that don’t like them as people that do like them. It’s all good publicity, isn’t it?
Unknown Speaker [7:04]
Absolutely. And and if you’ve done your homework ahead of time, you know, if you’ve gotten your story edited, if you’ve worked up a good cover, people are going to like it. There’s always going to be haters out there, no matter what you do, no matter what you say, no matter where you go. So you just got to ignore them and concentrate on the positive. You know, you do good things, and you get it out there. So So
David Ralph [7:26]
what was the story? And we’re going to go into that because it was a real, it was a learning curve for you. But it almost seemed like you’d been pushed into a corner by being unemployed in your savings going down. So it was sink or swim time. So what was the story that came to you and why did you like it so much against other ones you might have had in the past,
Unknown Speaker [7:47]
or the the story was, is called red tide, the Chinese invasion of Seattle. And it looks at a time at which was about five years from now. The US military continues to go down due to sequestration, Chinese continue to ramp up, you know, they’ve always wanted to get Taiwan back. And they finally, somebody comes up with a good plan and it’s, hey, we’ll take Seattle and, you know, we’ll say, you know, if you want it back, just give us Taiwan and we’ll be good. There’s, there’s a lot more to it in the fact that, you know, the US nuclear weapons on the west coast, there’s a lot of them around that area. You know, that all plays into it. And it the story itself, once I got, you know, into it, it was like, This is so completely believable to me, you know, it could happen, and I’ve had I’ve had a lot of people that have read the story that have said, you know, if if the Chinese aren’t actually thinking this, that you gotta be so you
David Ralph [8:52]
actually have a military background, don’t you? So was this something that you know, really could happen in your Soon about knowledge, because you were in second fleet headquarters when you
Unknown Speaker [9:05]
I was at one point. And I was in the Navy, I was a naval aviator for 20 years. So, you know, I’ve been around and seen a lot of things and you know it for in order for it to happen certain things would would have to, you know, go on between now and then. But it certainly wasn’t anything that you know, wasn’t outside the realm of possibility. If you got the the right leader in China, or the wrong leader in China, depending on how you looked at it.
David Ralph [9:35]
So say we take you right back in time when he was a small child, which is a theme that runs through all the shows. Were you somebody that like nothing more than the English assignments at school when they said, right, Chris, it’s time to write a story and did you flourish at that time? Or is this something that you found later on in life?
Unknown Speaker [9:55]
It’s something I’ve more come to recently, when I was young, I loved Reading, loved reading, you know, if I, once I finally had to come in from playing outside, you know, I’d get a book and I’d go read somewhere, didn’t watch a lot of TV, just read tonnes. But the story goes that I read all of the books in the little town I grew up in a library in the children’s section. Least that’s, that’s what the librarian says. So I’ll go I’ll go from there. I don’t know if I got them all, but I got an awful lot of them.
David Ralph [10:31]
And what was it about the written word that so inspired you? And he obviously loved you in the fact that you had the opportunity of watching TV like most kids did? And you said no, I actually like to lose myself in a book. Was it the word craft? Was it the story? Was it the sort of adventure? What was it about it?
Unknown Speaker [10:50]
I think it was the author’s ability to paint new worlds in my mind, and it’s kind of like joining up dots. You know, as an author, you you try and put the dots in somebody’s mind, and if you do it right, then they fill in the dots and create a better picture in their own mind than then you could ever actually hope to describe as an author, it’s a matter of getting the basics in there and in doing it in such a way that, you know, the the reader can can not only see what you’re saying, but then can develop it in their own mind and, and really flesh it out. Can you know, see the sights, smell the smells? hear the sounds? All of that? And if you do it, well, you know, it’s it’s a it’s an experience, like, as if you were there. So do
David Ralph [11:36]
you write books deliberately to leave blanks in for the imagination of the reader? Or was it just you have a story and you get it out there? Are you aware that you’ve got to leave the ability to think?
Unknown Speaker [11:49]
Absolutely. And I like doing that. I write primarily science fiction and fantasy. A lot of times they’ll be a couple different things going going on simultaneously where you know one one land but it hasn’t ended yet you’re there’s a lot of cliffhangers where it lets the reader wonder, Hey, what’s going to happen? Is this person going to win? Is this you know, is something going to go bad here? Why? Why did he stop here? What’s going on? says and
David Ralph [12:20]
what was it then that took you so long to start writing because just listening to you talk you sound infused by it. You sound like this is the thing that you’ve really found. Would that be right? First of all, I suppose that’s the question. Do you find Oh,
Unknown Speaker [12:33]
absolutely. This this is your thing. I really, really love doing this. having a great time. You know, it’s it’s opened up a lot of doors for me. And it’s it’s just been so much fun to get the stories out there and, and have people come up at different conventions and things and go, wow, you know, I really love your work, you know, Hey, would you would you stick my name in there? You know, could I be a red shirt for you? You know, it people just get excited, you know, and it’s, you know, maybe it’s a my wife swears that it’s an ego boost thing for me. And I originally I said no it’s not but there may be a little bit of truth in it that you know, it’s it’s nice to be good at something it’s it’s nice to be respected for something you do but it’s just a lot of fun to write
David Ralph [13:24]
i think i think that’s the key thing isn’t it? I think if if you love what you’re doing, and you really enjoy it, but other people enjoy it as well, then that’s the perfect combination, isn’t it? That’s what we want you
Unknown Speaker [13:38]
to share. Yeah, it’s a matter of sharing you have something to share with people you know, you don’t even know them. But you’re able to share with them and I I answer you know, any email I get I answer myself, you know, and and try and develop relationships with the people that are reading the work. A lot of times, you know, people have said, Well, hey, what about this or what about that? And, you know, I try and stick little things in you know for the readers and you know it’s it’s all about relationships the same as anything else in life. And it’s it’s a way of sharing with people you haven’t even met yet.
David Ralph [14:14]
And it is true what you say you’re building up a network building up relationships is probably the most powerful thing that anyone can do to develop a business or a profile or whatever. And if you build up no other business, and a network when it really does sort of ease the way somehow, but was that something that came naturally for you or because I think a lot of people when they start off they’re very frightened to reach out to people and ask for help or just network because it’s so alien to us. We’re very much silo aren’t we? We go to work we come home we get in our car, we close the windows, and we don’t let that kind of that that feeling of I need other people’s help to spread across the world somehow. Did Did you find that easy.
Unknown Speaker [15:00]
I found it difficult sometimes like for reaching out for people to, to read the first story, you know, because it was it was that whole Gee, I don’t know if I’ll be good enough I don’t know, you know if I if I wrote something and nobody likes it, you know, what are they going to think of me? But after I got over that initial, you know, afraid to be out there kind of feeling it really hasn’t been hard at all I love interacting with people. You know, I was I was on Twitter earlier today with several folks and you know, had a great time interacting, going back and forth on different things and and have really enjoyed all of the networking and interaction that comes with being an author. It’s it’s been more fun than I ever expected.
David Ralph [15:50]
Well, when did when did you start coding yourself and olfa if you was in a bar, well, what do you call yourself fat now when somebody meets you, do you say yes, I’m an offer. Or did that come a little bit earlier?
Unknown Speaker [16:03]
Um, yeah, I tell people that I’m an author, um, it, it probably wasn’t until, you know, I, I wasn’t an author while I was writing it. But but once it got, you know, published on Amazon and Barnes and Noble and Smashwords and, and I looked, you know, the next day and I saw that I had sold five copies, I turned to one of my daughters and I, and said, Oh, my God, I’m an author.
David Ralph [16:31]
And did you feel that, that shaking off of the imposter syndrome, which so many people talk about when they almost want to say I’m an orphan under the covers, so nobody sources? No, you know, you know, Stephen King’s and all for john Grisham. Are you Chris Kennedy. Did you feel
Unknown Speaker [16:48]
I did, I did for a while I really did. So that’s it’s funny that you say that and, you know, somebody would post a review that would say, you know, Chris Kennedy’s work reads like Tom Clancy I’ll read everything he writes. And I’m like, Who is this person? You know, I need to send him some money. Obviously, you know, the the PR that he’s doing is great. I love this. I don’t know who he’s talking about, but you know, yeah. All right. So yeah, it was kind of an under the table sort of thing. You know, I, nobody at work knew that I was doing it for G a long time. You know, but but now I’m pretty upfront and honest. And you know, just tell people yeah, you know, this is, this is what I do. And oh, by the way, you know, I ride at night on the weekends, and I’ve got six books out there and doing really well,
David Ralph [17:41]
because I actually wrote two books. When I was at work. I was doing this job and to be honest, it was, I was being paid a fortune and there was nothing to do. It was a bizarre situation. And so I used to pretend I was busy by writing and typing away and I just wrote a novel. And I just thought to myself, if I could write a first chapter, maybe elita second chapter and then I got to about five chapters reasonably easily. And I finished it. And I’ve still got it in a drawer and it’s all sort of on a USB stick now, I’ve got no desire to publish it to the world. It was just the process. Why not? Oh, well, I don’t really want to do it. You know, it was just something it was just something to do. It was something that I might show my kids whatever, and
Unknown Speaker [18:25]
you’re not afraid you’re not afraid to get it out? There are you
David Ralph [18:28]
know, I’m no, it’s because that’s not my path at the moment. That down the line, maybe it would be but at the moment, my path is podcaster chat show host or whatever you call this thing. But so to sort of actually throw in a children’s book round, the basis of this just doesn’t seem right somehow. And it’s, it’s one of the things Chris, I’m going to ask you on this because this is going to be an interesting point for all the people out there listening to this thinking, I’ve got a story. I’ve got a story. Well, you know, it’s the way should I should do it. Are they better to Jesus vomit on the page and get the whole story out and then go back and edit. Or do as I absolutely because I tried to edit as I went and I got so bored with the story, it kind of lost its flow. And I’ve always thought next time if I do another one, I would just go and just get it all out there man. So out there mistakes outputs.
Unknown Speaker [19:19]
Yeah, that that’s exactly the right thing to do. And that’s what I hear time and time again, from people and I’ve experienced it myself, you know, you if, if you’ve got the feeling, you just got to go with it. You know, just got to keep putting it down, putting it down, putting it down, you know, there’ll be plenty of time to come back and edit it later. But But it’s important to keep the creative flow going while it exists. And there been times that you know, it’s really flowing well, and you don’t want to you don’t want to dam up the flow. You want it to just keep coming you know, when you’re when you’re producing something that you know, you know is really good. You don’t want to stop it and lose You’re your train of thought by you know, oh, well, I misspelt you know this word and now I gotta go back and now now what was where was I going with this again. And that’s, that’s a problem that I’ve had, you know, a lot of my my good ideas come while I’m driving in the car, and then you know, I get home and it’s dinnertime and then there’s chores and then there’s this and I get this, finally get to sit down and write. And I’m like, Okay, I know, I had a great idea What was it? So So I finally bought myself a handheld, little digital tape recorder and, and now I can, you know, whenever I get the idea, I can just go blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, got it. And at least hopefully get if I don’t get all the way back into that creative stream. At least I can play on the beach of it.
David Ralph [20:51]
Because the easiest stream isn’t as amazing. I you know, I wouldn’t say it was an olfa I would just say that I’ve written these couple of books, but um, I remember some times when I really got into it, I would come home and go, right. Okay, tonight, it’s going to be my writing night and I would get everybody away and nobody could come to the house and I’d sit there. And for about two hours, I’d want rubbish. And it was just kind of just, I was forcing it. And then other times, it was like, you know, our past two in the morning and our tired or just have a little go, and it would flow out of you and you’d like, thousands of words, and it was just brilliant stuff. Do you find that more often than not as you write more books? Is it easier to get into that zone? When you’re totally in the flow and everything flies through you? Or do you still have to slog your way to that point,
Unknown Speaker [21:38]
that there are days where you’re, you know, you’re working at it hard and there are other days where, you know, it’s it’s like an epiphany, all of a sudden it’s there and, you know, it’s it’s like, trying to catch the sunlight. You know, it’s just coming and coming and coming and coming and, you know, it’s it’s really an amazing thing when it happens. I wish I could turn it off. And off at will, but I can’t. You know, some days like I said, are more like work but, man when when it happens, it is just a wonderful thing I’ll be sitting there typing and, you know, if if the the kids and my wife are gone, as you know, like Saturday afternoon, I’ll look up and all of a sudden it’ll be dark outside and three, four hours have gone by and I have no idea where when, you know, it was just so in the in the moment in, you know, in the creative process that, you know, time just flowed right on by me and I didn’t even know.
David Ralph [22:33]
I’ve had a lot of conversations recently with people that develop coaching to get you in the flow in that moment when time just disappears. And I certainly experienced it a lot doing this show where sometimes I will start recording and then I look up and I realised I’ve done six shows and literally it’s just been a blur. And there’s a big move towards that now that people are saying that quite simply The state that we should be in because that’s when it’s playing to our natural strengths. That’s when we’re performing the best work. And that’s when we’re enjoying ourselves the most. And so the old adage of a hard day’s work and A Hard Day’s Night should be a thing of the past, really, we should be looking at playing to our strengths so that we can get into that state but you’re talking about it’s interesting, isn’t it?
Unknown Speaker [23:21]
It is and, you know, when I’m in that state, you know, the, the story that I’m producing is is far better than what you know, I produce when I’m actually having to work at it. You know, I don’t know the the difference between thinking about it and letting it come from, from somewhere else where you’re not actively thinking but it’s just flowing. It I wish I could tap into that all the time. And, you know, if somebody figures out a way to do that, you know, on turn it on and off like that.
Unknown Speaker [23:56]
I’d pay for it.
David Ralph [23:58]
Whether there’s a chap coming on the show He was talking about a power source called scalar energy. And I’d never heard of this. And it’s it comes from the stars, and he reckons it’s going to be one of the biggest power sources is going to sort of overcome electricity. And he says a lot of the people who are classes geniuses score very high on the scalar energy. Sort of, I don’t know, the chart, I suppose. And he said, it really helps your brain work on a higher level. So if you’re picking up the best, and whether you believe it or not, I don’t know this is just what this chap is saying to me. But he says more and more of the geniuses, the Einsteins that the creative folk like the you know, the Beatles and that kind of stuff. They have very high levels of scale energy in their sort of that the mechanism somehow which age you getting into that state, it would be great if we could all actually analyse to see what level we’re actually getting a base and then do something about it.
Unknown Speaker [24:58]
Absolutely, and You know, I’ve heard lots of times about, you know, inventors and things, you know, completely losing track of time while they were, you know, developing all these things and, you know, I think it is, when it’s happening it is a moment of genius and in geniuses and something that I’ve ever been called, but but it is, you know, to me a moment of genius, it’s coming from somewhere else and you’re tapping into something that that makes you better than you are normally. I don’t I don’t know if that’s a secret energy source or, you know, just being in the right frame of mind or gift from God or you know, I don’t know what to call it but but there are times where you know, you just seem to be sort of along for the ride and and it’s, it’s coming from somewhere.
David Ralph [25:52]
Your media vehicle as I say your media vehicle when it’s channelling through be, I find all this kind of stuff fascinating because there must be some Who could tell you how it happens? If it if it happens to so many people who produce brilliant pieces of work, then why can’t we replicate it somehow?
Unknown Speaker [26:10]
I don’t know. Like I said, I wish I could. Because Wow. And not only am I creating something that is better than the normal, it just when when I get done, it’s just like, wow, wow, that was good. I’m spent, you know, none now I’m, it’s just a feeling of fulfilment to you know, once you’re done with that, too. That’s really pretty neat.
David Ralph [26:37]
Have you ever thought about in corporate gigs when he was in the Navy and when you was the principal at St. Anne’s elementary school? Did you ever have that because I’ve only found that really, either in the entrepreneurial world that I’m in now, or when I was a stand up trainer, and there was times when it just was in the moment as they say, and the audience was just engaged. You was engaged and he just he just disappeared. Did you find it’s more often than not when you’re creating your own work but the passions kick in by actually being told to do stuff in a corporate gig?
Unknown Speaker [27:12]
Well, you know, now now that you asked that, I’m thinking back and there were times when I was flying, I flew bombers for the Navy and you know, when when I was on different missions flying, you know, 200 feet 450 miles an hour. You know, everything going on, there’s, you know, bad fighters in the air, there’s this going on, there’s missiles, there’s, you know, all these things going on and there were times there where it all just seemed to work. You know, all of a sudden the distractions were gone. The complete focus was there, and you know, you were able to get the bombs off, in score Bull’s eyes and you know, all of the rest of the the outside stuff, one away and looking back. It’s the same feeling that I get when when I’m in the zone. So I don’t think that there was ever a time you know, on the ground or on the ship or in the school when you know what when I was principal that were like that, but it’s, it’s something when you’re in, I guess the the heat of the moment as it were, you know that that all of a sudden you have these moments of clarity, you know, so looking back, yeah, there were times when I was flying that it happened. They were always really, really intense times, with lots of things going on high stress moments. But somehow I was able to call it in there and make it happen. I have no idea how, but but it always sort of worked.
David Ralph [28:51]
I’m starting to think I know how actually I’m going to play some words and we’re gonna discuss this a little bit more Mr. Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey [28:57]
My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t Leave that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [29:23]
Now, he says, quite rightly, I suppose that you can find out what you don’t like to do. So do the thing that you want to love, take a risk on it. Now when you’re flying, there’s going to be a certain amount of risk on that. When you’re writing in you’re creating something you are putting yourself out there. So that certain amount of risk is it VAT, but actually gets us to this state and in the corporate gig when you haven’t got something that could badly go wrong. Like I used to experience in training when suddenly you can’t think of what you’re talking about or whatever you dry up. Is it VAT that keeps us in the comfort zone and stops us getting A state of flow which makes being so present.
Unknown Speaker [30:03]
I think I see what you’re saying. And I think that, you know, if if there’s nothing to lose, then then you don’t have to achieve that focus. You don’t have to get that clarity. You know, you see it like, in a courtroom. You know, if you saw the movie A Few Good Men, where Tom Cruise is struggling, struggling, struggling, and then all of a sudden when the pressures on all of a sudden it comes to him, and then boom, it’s like 1234 when, you know, it’s something like that. It’s like, you know, if there was nothing to lose, you wouldn’t need to focus enough to win. You can just go to your your normal work day thing and, you know, there’s there’s no reason to really there’s nothing to lose when you’re adding two plus two on a calculator and doing accounting and, you know, and there may be stressful accounting done. I’m not saying that that there is But you know, if you’re if you’re just doing a very generic sort of thing where you do it every day the same way, the same thing, you don’t have that that stress that causes you really to achieve a higher function.
David Ralph [31:14]
So if we took you back to that moment when you was unemployed, and your savings were wiped out, you were very close to going under. Surely value is close to the essence of what we’re talking about. Now, you had you had a lot to lose, and you had to do something it was sink or swim time. And that focused you to do what you you went on to do. It’s very similar, isn’t it?
Unknown Speaker [31:36]
It is it? You know, looking back now, I would say that’s, that’s exactly it. I didn’t understand it at the time. Because I’d really never felt it before. But But looking back, that’s exactly it. You know, it was Stress, Stress, Stress, Stress, Stress, I gotta do this, I gotta do that. I gotta do this. And then all of a sudden, I had this idea and and it flowed. It’s flow like water and that’s exactly what it was. It was that stress induced moment of clarity I think
David Ralph [32:06]
did teach you many choices at that stage or was that was it really sink and swim? That was the idea that was a story and because you knew you had to make it work you made it work is easy. As simple as by
Unknown Speaker [32:20]
now eat. It wasn’t quite I’d like to say that. Yes, that was it. And, and I intentionally did this and and I drove myself into this great state. I think subconsciously there was a lot of that, you know, I had just been hired for a job. So it wasn’t, you know, it wasn’t maybe quite as dire. You know, I still wasn’t making enough to really support the family and wasn’t going to be able to, to really do it going forward. So the income from the writing was absolutely necessary to make Maintaining, you know, our way of life basically. And certainly I knew that deep down and I think I’d been under stress for so long that you know when it when it came time, it I just achieved.
David Ralph [33:15]
I love the fact that for everyone out there, we’ve got something but we can achieve and we can achieve it better than anyone else. And that’s the beauty about being on this planet, isn’t it? People say find your passion, find your passion and you never work again, is not quite right, is it? What you put to find is the thing that you’re very good at and work really hard at it, and then ultimately produce something at the end which other people like. And because of that vein, the passion starts growing, but the passion seems to be, I don’t know, four or five steps down. The first thing you need to do is just get going and do something that you like and work hard at it.
Unknown Speaker [33:55]
I agree you need to start somewhere. You can’t just jump in and go okay. This is My favourite thing, when you haven’t even done it, you know that you might like to do it. And once you get into it, you go Yeah, you know, I do kind of like this, but but then you have to figure out how to make it work, you know, long term and, and is it something that you get excited about? I was I was talking with somebody this morning, and we were kind of game planning where where do I want to go from here? You know, I have a book coming out this weekend on self publishing and, you know, okay, from that book, you know, where do I want to go? What, what do I want to do? How do I even want to see myself and, and we were looking at a couple of different things that that I was, you know, I’m planning to do here over the next couple months. You know, I want to help out, you know, aspiring authors, I, you know, I want to try and give back some of the blessings that I’ve had, you know, in self publishing So I want to help starting authors and that’s, that’s good. And, you know, we’re talking about that. And and then, you know, I also thought that, you know, this would be a great thing to take into the schools and work with kids and show them how, you know, writing is more than just doing homework, you know, there’s, there’s a lot more to it and, you know, you can, if you like it, you can, you can make this into a career and you can, you know, you can be good at this and it’s okay, and wow, look, you can you can earn money from this and, and, and I got talking with her and all of a sudden, you know, it’s like, oh, wow, and, and then I want to do that and this and that, you know, and all of a sudden, I was, you know, jumping up and down, and I was all sorts of enthused about it. It’s like, you know, what, this is really where my passion is, you know, to, to take this to the schools, to you know, help out kids and, you know, get them to see that it’s, it’s okay to be creative. And, you know, yes, you can, you can still want to be a doctor. You can still want to be whatever you know. is going to be, you know, the thing that your parents or society is driving you into. But it’s but it’s okay to be creative. It’s okay to have that sense of, of wonder and in wanting to create something, you know, and the fact that hey, you know, if you’re talking with teenagers and they’re in high school, it doesn’t look too bad on a college application to say that you’re already a published author.
David Ralph [36:27]
But did you feel that kids are not encouraged to be creative? And from your experience of going through the schools and being the principal? And is it the writing and reading that’s so, so important and sort of the artistry can go by the wayside?
Unknown Speaker [36:42]
I think that I think that we’ve put so much of a box around education. You know, there been so many studies done about this or that and this is the right way and that’s the right way and, and, you know, there’s so many different assessments that have to be done. I don’t I don’t know how it is and UK I know here in the States, you know, they’re all the states are implementing these these things called Common Core where they’re trying to all do the same thing. And they’re there are lots of assessments that the kids have to, you know, do well on or, or they will shut down the high school or, you know, there’s so many different things that are driving our kids into this one little box that, you know, sure they’re encouraged to be creative, as long as they stay with inside the lines.
David Ralph [37:31]
I think that the old sort of Carpe Diem, as they said, on what was that film, but Dead Poets Society, is that that’s the key essence, isn’t it? And I think the key essence for kids out there nowadays is go out and do it. You’ve got opportunities, and I talk about this all the time, Chris, it just seemed to be a bug bear with me. But we’ve got all this opportunity as you’re seeing but you have created something for yourself. You have become self published 20 years ago, you would have had to get an agent and gone there sort of historically. 20 years ago, I would have had to work for a radio company. But now you can literally create things on a shoestring which blows your mind but the opportunities and so for the fact that we’re sort of saying to the kids, you know, quite rightly learn to read learn to write learn to do your maths and all that kind of stuff. But I think the creativity that the ability to look at the widest sense and thing Yeah, what do I want to do? What’s the thing that excites me that’s gonna be isn’t
Unknown Speaker [38:26]
it you have more opportunity to do what you want right now than you ever have in the history of the world. You’re You’re absolutely spot on with the you know, you can now be a podcast or I can now be an author. I could have been an author, you know, is as much as 10 years ago if I’d written that story, you know, I, I would have taken it to the agents and I did take it to the agents I sent it out to about 100 different agents. And about half of them said no and about half of them, I’m still waiting to hear from So, there’s gonna be no,
David Ralph [39:02]
how did you get through that point of not just going, ah, it’s rubbish, that is never gonna work, and how did you sort of carry on chipping away and ultimately getting the success because you have chipped away, but how did you get Uber?
Unknown Speaker [39:13]
Well, I knew the story was good. And, you know, by that point I had showed it to, you know, some some of my friends and family and they had read it and they said, you know, wow, that’s, you know, that’s, that’s really good. And, you know, it gave me goosebumps, you know, that, that, I think that could happen. You know, so, so I had a little bit of validation, and I knew it was good. I knew that, you know, the, the, maybe it’s the title is too much like, you know, red storm or red, you know, something like that, that that it didn’t draw. It wasn’t unique enough to draw an agent, but but I knew it was good. I knew that the story was good. And I’d already started writing the second half of the duology you know, so I knew where I was going I knew the plot was good. I thought the characters were good. You know, and I’m just like, yeah, if I could just get them to read this, I’m sure they’d like it. But, you know, these days, it’s, it’s really, really hard to get an agent to read your work, you know, they’re they’re just inundated, they get hundreds every day. So, you know, how do you make yours the the different one that they tried to read. Apparently, I didn’t crack the code on that, but I had a good enough product. And, you know, I like I said, you know, when when you were reading I made a plan. You know, I researched how to be good at at self publishing. And, and then I went through that plan and put it out there. I had all of the things in place that I thought I needed for marketing and I had made some ties, you know, doing some of that networking that that you talked about. So that When it when it came out, you know, there were there were people waiting to try it. And they did. And they told some friends and you know, they bought it and they told some friends. And eventually it sold enough that it got to where it was on a couple of the the lists that Amazon sent out. And then sales really skyrocketed.
David Ralph [41:24]
It’s brilliant. Really, that is such a slow burner, because I think it proves that success isn’t overnight. It takes a while to get going. And it’s the thing that stops so many people in their tracks. And it never stopped me when I started this show. I got to a point that even if no one was listening to it, I was still going to do it because I just loved having these conversations with Chris Kennedy and all the other people that have been on the show. But when you put that in your heart of heart, but you actually as you were saying you think this is good. This is a good book. I think I would read this. That’s half the battle, isn’t it because you’ve been got personal belief and you just got to get other people to believe. But you’re halfway there, I think if you’ve got that own personal belief to keep going.
Unknown Speaker [42:06]
I think that that’s what separates authors from people that have written books. They have the belief in themselves, they have the belief in the story, and they’re willing to put in the hard work to make it happen. That’s the same thing with anything in life. If you want to be good at something, you have to work hard at it. As an author, you know, you have to work hard at the marketing you have to work hard at improving yourself, you know, continuing develop yourself in the craft, you know, it’s not easy to be a success. It’s something you have to work at, but but a, being a self published author is something that you can do. I read somewhere that, you know, somebody said, you’re never going to be rich, working for somebody else. And that’s true. You know, but as a self published author, you’re not working for somebody else. You know, all of all of the success or lack of success, that You have comes down to you, you know, you’re responsible for everything you either make it work, or you don’t. And, and part of the problem with that is there are plenty of people that are willing to go, Oh, it’s too hard and quit. You know, the the ones that are successful are the ones that say it’s hard, but I’m gonna get through it.
David Ralph [43:22]
Hey, I think I was saying to my wife, when I first started the show, and for the first 50 episodes, whatever, I didn’t get listening at all. I just couldn’t get any listeners. And she said to me, oh, you know, are you going to give up? And I said to her, I can’t keep up because I’ve got nothing else. I’ve quit my job. This has got to work. And I look back on it. And I think it’s that sink and swim. It’s that personal belief. And it’s just that I suppose it’s almost X Factor, isn’t it that things are going to get better and the harder that you work, you will pass people because they will give up
Unknown Speaker [43:57]
and then set perseverance.
David Ralph [43:59]
Yeah, they get Less and less and less until you’re only fighting against maybe you know, 100 people instead of 10,000. But then you realise that actually, I’ve sharpen my tools here. And all that perseverance getting up that line was just me getting better. Ready for the moment when I’m going to fight my corner. And that’s when the rewards come, isn’t it?
Unknown Speaker [44:19]
Yeah, it’s it’s not the size of the dog in the fight. It’s the size of the fight in the dog. Like, he just might not. Now, I’m frightened. I wish I could say I did. I wouldn’t believe it’s it really is, you know, how much are you willing to do? What are you willing to go out there to drive your own success? You know, if you’re willing to believe in yourself and put yourself out there and work at it. You can be a success and that goes, you know, for anything. It’s it’s the people that go Ah, it’s too hard. Oh, I can’t Oh, I guess it wasn’t for me. You know, you can you can talk yourself. out of anything, and you can rationalise and justify it, you know, where it’s not your fault. And I think that that’s a lot of the problem with society these days, is that society gives people a pass, and says, Okay, well, you know, it’s not your fault. It was, you know, you you didn’t have this or your parents weren’t nice enough to you or, you know, you weren’t given an opportunity by your boss or this or that, you know, the people that want to be successful will be successful because they don’t take no for an answer. And they continue to work at it, you know, they they don’t take good enough, and they don’t find excuses when, you know, it’s it’s a lack of effort or a lack of motivation on their part. And nobody these days seems to really want to see lack of motivation or lack of effort. You know, and they’re willing to give people a pass and find other reasons, but it’s it’s really, what’s more What’s in your heart? You know, do you have that drive? If you do, you can make self publishing work. Obviously, looking at you, you can make podcasting work, you can make whatever you want work, you know, but it takes work
David Ralph [46:15]
when he does, and he takes decision making and I’m gonna play some words I love now as I throw them into the show, because I just thought they were interesting, but the more I’ve listened to them, the more I adore these words, this is Oprah Winfrey,
Unknown Speaker [46:26]
the way through the challenge is to get still and ask yourself, what is the next right move? not think about, Oh, I got all of this stuff. What is the next right move? And then from that space, make the next right move, and the next right move and not to be overwhelmed by it because you know, your life is bigger than that one moment. You know, you’re not defined by what somebody says, is a failure for you. Because failure is just there to point you in a different direction.
David Ralph [46:58]
powerful words on my The fact that we have a decision to make and let make a decision. But if it doesn’t work, make another decision. We’re not defined by that. That decision will it’s part of the journey. And it’s the journey. That’s the exciting bit. I, I love that. And I think it resonates strongly with me. Because for many years, I was unwilling to make that decision. Some people call it a leap of faith or whatever. But it was a decision. And when I finally did it, I have ended up in a place that wasn’t remotely what I was planning to do, and it’s better. It’s totally better. Because once I landed, and I looked around, I knew that I’d given myself opportunities to make something work, which I didn’t before I took that decision. It’s interesting, isn’t it?
Unknown Speaker [47:43]
It’s hitting that Save and Publish button. You know, it’s, I understand exactly. Two years ago, two and a half years ago, you know, if somebody would have said that, that I was going to be an author, I would have said no way I’m not creative. I’m not this. I’m not that And it all came down to that one day where I had the opportunity to hit save and publish. And I chose to take the the path less travelled and and put myself out there and commit to being the best I could be for that. And it’s it’s worked very, very well. It’s, you know, you, there are so many different things going on in everybody’s lives that you know, Oprah had it right, you just got to take a look at Okay, what’s important right now, what do I need to do now? Do it.
David Ralph [48:31]
And when you were talking to your, your colleague was was he a mentor? Or was he just a friend this morning?
Unknown Speaker [48:37]
It actually was a coach, okay. somebody that does a little, little bit of consulting, in a programme myself to try and help develop some of my marketing skills and help me to get better at what I’m doing. And you know, so we were working to define who I am exactly what do what do I want to be what Do I want to do so that I can focus on those things? Basically, you know, what’s the right decision right now, so that I can move forward with that.
David Ralph [49:09]
And because you are moving forward when more opportunities come your way and, and choices about when you began, you wouldn’t have dreamt that you would be doing. But now you’re thinking, Oh,
Unknown Speaker [49:21]
I absolutely wouldn’t have
David Ralph [49:22]
Yeah, and that’s the exciting thing, isn’t it? You start on something. And this this isn’t to you, Chris, this is to the listeners out there. And I’m gonna, I’m gonna have a little bit of a rant. Now I feel like a rant coming on. But But you start something, just anything, just do something, and then do something else. And if it doesn’t work, you just pivot, you just pivot and you just keep them sort of playing. And that’s all it is, is playing. And yes, you’ve got to make more time and if you come home after a day’s work, and you just flop in front of the TV, and then go to bed, it’s not going to get done. But if you can make a couple of hours each night or at the weekend or whatever, you’ll start to find that something is happening, and you’re making connections or you’re just building a website or you You’re halfway through writing a book or whatever. But once you get that out into the world, that’s when it suddenly blossoms, and it suddenly is like a light shines down on it. And it’s hits a prism, and that beam of light shoots off in all different directions. And you can suddenly see other areas that you didn’t know was bad. And some of them you look a terrifying so you think, no, I’m not going to do that. And others, you know, I’ve done that already. And then there’s another part that comes through and it’s still going to be quite scary because you’ve never done it before. But as you follow that path, constantly, you hit these prisms and it’s beams of light going everywhere. And I love that, but you never know what you’re going to get. But you’re not going to get anything unless you start actually following that light. What you think Chris? That was a big rant even then.
Unknown Speaker [50:48]
I think it was Randy but he was spot on. If you don’t, if you don’t do it, you’ll you’ll never get to see the the the, you know, the spectrum of light, the opportunities In by going out and doing it, you set yourself up for opportunities that you never would have thought existed. You know, I know that I, you know, when I, when I came, I moved after being a principal and came down to Virginia and Virginia said, you know, we’re not going to honour your doctorate in Educational Leadership, we’re not going to give you a principal certificate. You know, I thought I was done in schools. And that was disappointing to me because I really liked working with kids. And it was kind of like a little piece of me died. But but then now, you know, by following this path by by being willing to put myself out there and do the work, all of a sudden, you know, I have new opportunities, and some of them are working with kids again, and oh my gosh, how did that happen? You know, how did how did all of those things line up to make that happen? and and you know, it’s hard work. It’s, you know, not being afraid to try and I’ve already got one school that’s already said, Yes, we want you to come in and work with our kids. You know, we want it, we want to see what you’ve got. We’re interested in this programme, and I’ve spoken with some other teachers and they’re like, wow, that’s exactly what I need. And I would never have even thought this suggested to them, you know, a couple years ago, uh, you know, what, what, what do I have to offer? Well, turns out I have quite a bit all because, you know, I, I wasn’t afraid to hit the Save and Publish,
David Ralph [52:31]
save and publish and Join Up. Dots. And this is the theme of the show. And this is a speech that Steve Jobs said back in 2005 10 years ago, but as relevant now as it was been Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [52:42]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college, but it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path, and that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [53:17]
So you’ve already alluded but you look back in your your dots have lined up. Is it a big.in your life Chris, when you look back and go, yeah, that that’s the moment that’s the dot.
Unknown Speaker [53:28]
I could not have explained it any better than Steve Jobs just did that is that is a great, great piece right there because that is exactly how my life that’s that’s the story of my life. And at this stage of it right now is looking back seeing all the dots aligning, and you know, the one thing I can I can put the one big dot and that was I just started the new job. And it’s working for the Navy doing some curriculum development. But I didn’t have my clearance yet. So I couldn’t Start, but I was an hourly employee. So I had to go into work and then just kind of sit around for a bit. And I was looking at the Internet and I saw that China was, had brought some cars over to the Detroit Auto Show. And they were talking about coming over, and maybe they even open a plant in this Seattle area. And I said, wow, you know, if they, if they opened up a plant in Seattle, everybody that came over would be a spy. And then they could do this, and then they could do that. And then they could do this. And then they could do that. Oh, my gosh, all of a sudden, we’re being invaded, you know, and that was the that was the big dot, all of a sudden, boom, I had a story. And, you know, looking back, if I hadn’t seen that one article on the internet that one day about China, bringing cars over to the Detroit Auto Show, you know, I don’t know how I would have gotten here.
David Ralph [54:55]
And I think with you certainly from my understanding of your story, we are the big dog. He’s really that moment we talked about earlier when you got so close to going under but that was the that was the pain doctor wasn’t it that pushed you forward?
Unknown Speaker [55:08]
Yeah, absolutely. That was the, the the stress dot the the thing that you know put me in such a state that, you know i was when i when i saw the one article it it put me into that moment of clarity you know where I was able to reach and achieve, you know, without without the stress, you know, doesn’t come the the huge outpouring?
David Ralph [55:34]
It’s fascinating, but it’s so true. It’s It’s annoying as well and it’s depressing.
Unknown Speaker [55:42]
So many, it wasn’t something I’d like to do again. No
David Ralph [55:47]
thing wasn’t it? That’s the thing. You look back on it, you go. It was terrible, but thank God for bad and I hear that all the time and I’ve got the same thing in my life as well. And I look back on it. I think I was so unhappy at some point. You You need that moment otherwise you just caught in the comfort zone and we just as humans, we just like comfort we need somebody to shake us up.
Unknown Speaker [56:08]
At the time I was going, why God Why? Why is this happening? Why I’m a good person? Why why why? And now I look back and go, Okay, got it.
David Ralph [56:19]
Yeah, and it’s so clear when you look back and you connect your dots, but but absolutely the dark times become the good times later on, but at a time you can’t see it.
Unknown Speaker [56:30]
Now, absolutely not. Didn’t see it at all. But But now looking back with without the the bad times, it would, you wouldn’t have the same clarity. You know, in perspective on the good times, it helps you appreciate more what you have, and hopefully turns you into a better person for for the process where you know, now I have a mission of wanting to help You know, perhaps at the time, I was more looking at, you know, what, what can this do for me, me, me, me, me me. But But now I have more of a focus on what what can I do to use this to help others you know how can I help other people achieve and succeed and, and maybe avoid going under you know maybe help them from going under you know and and help kids find the joy in writing. You know there are just so many opportunities now that I have going forward to help people into, you know, to help others achieve that I never would have had at the time when I was only looking out for a job for me.
David Ralph [57:42]
Once you start providing value to the world, when value comes back to you, I think it was exactly if you want everything, anything in your life, make sure that everybody else gets everything in their lives or something along I’m paraphrasing, but it’s so true isn’t it, you provide value to the world.
Unknown Speaker [58:00]
People see that people see you reaching out to others and trying to help others and they go, wow, you know, that’s, that’s really cool what you’re doing? How can I help? What can I do to help what, you know? What do you need some of this? Do you need some of that? You know, that’s really neat. I want to be part of that, you know, and and they appreciate the efforts that you’re doing. And you know, the things that you do, I had some friends that were interested in self publishing, and they set up a Skype the other night, we had people from four different countries, all on, you know, Skype at the same time to talk about how they could get their book published, they had eight people that are trying to put together a book together and, you know, I was able to, hopefully lead them through the process a little bit and give them some, some information that’ll help them you know, be successful and afterwards I got several really nice emails about Wow, you’re you’re always so giving your, you know, thank you very much for your time. You know, and and it really was something that, you know, a couple years ago I don’t wouldn’t have seen it wouldn’t have seen it happening. So it’s it’s a good place to be when you help out others, you know, people take notice. Of course
David Ralph [59:22]
they do. And people have taken notice of you today. They certainly have. This is the end of the show, Chris. And this is the part that we call the Sermon on the mind when we send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young Chris, what age would you choose and what advice would you give? Well, we’re gonna find out because I’m gonna play the theme tune and when it fades, you’re up. This is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [1:00:06]
Hello, little Chris, this is big Chris coming to you from 15 years in your future. I know that you think that being an aviator and being in the Navy is is everything in the world and you want to define yourself by that. But there is more to life than that. Don’t let people define you. Find your own definitions. Don’t let people tell you that you’re not creative enough that you’re not able to do things that you want to try. Going forward. There are so many opportunities that you have, as long as you keep your mind open to them and work hard at whatever you do. Don’t let people define you. You define you and if you do that, you’ll be fine.
David Ralph [1:00:56]
Chris, how can our audience connect with you sir?
Unknown Speaker [1:01:00]
They can reach me on Chris Kennedy publishing. com. All of the books that I have are on Amazon. And like I said, I have the book coming out here this Sunday called self publishing for profit, how to get the book out of your head and into the stores
David Ralph [1:01:17]
will have all the links on the show notes. Chris, thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining those dots. And please come back again when you have more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Chris Kennedy, thank you so much.
Unknown Speaker [1:01:33]
Thank you very much, David. This conversation has been very enlightening to me. I’ve really enjoyed it. Thanks.
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