Ryan Porter Joins Us On The Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast
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Introducing Ryan Porter
Ryan Porter is today’s guest joining us on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots podcast.
He is a man who asked himself a brilliant question, and now helps others across the world to answer the very same question.
“What do I want to be when I grow up?”
Which is one of those things that we consider a lot when we are very young, and will answer with a spaceman, a princess, and professional footballer.
Big answers, that just roll off our tongues easily, but are so hard to answer when we actually grow up.
Well our guest today quit his business programme in college, and ended up in Tokyo, where he worked as an English teacher, and realised that there was no answer for the question that started his quest and that in fact, that very question is the wrong question to be asking.
Which is where you lean forward to the speaker, and say “But what is that question then David…..what is the right answer to ask?”
And i’ll be honest I haven’t a clue, but our guy knows, and has now travelled across North America speaking to teens about his findings, the importance of decision-making and the importance of having experiences.
How The Dots Joined Up For Ryan
He is the author of the book Make Your Own Lunch – How to Live an Epically Epic Life through Work, Travel, Wonder, and (maybe) College and is the co-founder and CEO of RaiseYourFlag, a web platform developed to help the 45% of high school students in North America who do not attend college immediately after leaving school connect to careers that are available to them and the companies that can help.
He is a man with a lot on his plate, not least a load of dodgy food in Japan.
So why did he feel unlike millions of others to ask such a big question that we hear time and time again, but really dig down looking for answers?
And does he see that this problem is an American one, or is it prevalent across the world.
Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Ryan Porter.
During the episode we discussed such weighty topics with Ryan Porter such as:
Why we all begin to ask the same questions in our lives at the same time, and don’t stop to ponder why?
Why the most damaging words that can be said to any young adult coming through the education system is “Be Realistic”
Why the decisions that you make do not have to be life defining, but can be stepping stones to future successes.
Why life is just like a giant Dot the Dot picture, and you have to follow through all the steps to see the big image.
How Wil E Coyote was a great role model for the keep moving, don’t look down business model…..look down and you drop!
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Full Transcription Of Ryan Porter Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK. David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes, hello bear world how are we? This is David Ralph from Join Up Dots and this is episode 289 of the show. You can’t live without Yeah, we come to you seven days a week to your earbuds and we bring the kind of motivational inspirational chat that really makes you think, why is my backside stuck on this sofa I’ve got Life to Live I should get out there and do it. Now. Today’s guest actually is is a guest if you’ve listened back to many of my shows, you will hear me get on a bit of a rant, but kids are not being inspired to go And do great stuff. And he’s a kindred spirit. So I’m absolutely delighted to get him on the show, because he is a man who asked himself a brilliant question, and now helps others across the world to answer the very same question. What do I want to be when I grow up? Which is one of those things that we consider a lot when we’re very young? And we’ll answer with a Spaceman, a princess, a professional footballer, big answers that just roll up our tongues easily, but so hard to answer when we do actually grow up? Well, our guest today quit his business programme in college and ended up in Tokyo where he worked as an English teacher and realised that there was no answer for the question that started his quest and battery. In fact, that very question is the wrong question to be asking, which is where you lean forward to the speaker and say, but why is that question? What is it then David, what is the right answer to ask? And I’ll be honest, I haven’t a clue but our guy knows and has now travelled across North America speaking to teens about his findings, the importance of decision making and the importance of having experiences The author of the book, make your own lunch how to live an epically epic life through work, travel, wonder, and maybe college. And he’s the co founder, co founder and CEO of raise your flag, a web platform developed to help the 45% of high school students in North America, who did not attend college immediately after leaving school, connected to careers available to them and the companies that helped them. He’s a man with a lot on his plate, not least a load of dodgy food in Japan. So why did he feel and like millions of others to us such a big question that we hear time and time again, but really dig down looking for answers? And does he see that this is a problem that is just an American one or is it prevalent across the world? Well, let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Mr. Ryan Porter. How are you Ryan?
Ryan Porter [2:48]
I am doing excellent. Thank you so much for having me on the show.
David Ralph [2:51]
It’s lovely to have you because you are all kind Canada. I don’t know anymore. That song but Well, it’s not really a song is it? But yeah, you are a Canadian. And I was trying to think how many Canadians I’ve had on the show. And there’s not many, not many at all. Is it? Because it’s so cold up there. But yeah, your Wi Fi connection doesn’t work as well as in America and the rest of the world.
Ryan Porter [3:14]
Yeah, it’s that and most people’s tongues are stuck the flag so cold so they can’t talk and you only get them for two months out of the year. The old licking the flagpole.
David Ralph [3:24]
That’s right. I’ll just imagine thousands of people just doing it. Have you ever actually seen anyone? liquor flagpole?
Ryan Porter [3:31]
Oh, absolutely. Elementary School at recess at least once a day.
David Ralph [3:35]
Do you? What is the point of that? Because I’ve heard this analogy. It’s like without getting to sort of basic it’s about it’s like the other story I hear in Canada is when men need to relieve themselves and they kind of they they bang themselves against some metal bin or whatever and stick themselves to it. Which Have you ever heard of that before as well?
Ryan Porter [3:59]
I have never heard of that one. But I’m going to ask around to see if it’s true. I’ve never heard
David Ralph [4:04]
of that. That’s hilarious. I was very tactful. There wasn’t idg did not paint an image, but kids now. So what’s he talking about? Well, what’s he talking about?
Unknown Speaker [4:13]
I don’t think there is much mystery there. Actually. You don’t? You don’t?
Unknown Speaker [4:17]
I should have just said it.
Unknown Speaker [4:19]
Yeah, I think you pretty much did. I did. I did.
David Ralph [4:22]
Yeah. So you haven’t seen that happen? So it’s just the looking at the flagpoles? That’s correct. Bizarre, it is bizarre. So So what is if we were going to go to Canada, we’re not going to spend all the time talking about Canada because we got you on the show for a reason. But what is the big thing? What is the thing that really separates the Canadians from that country that you’re attached to, but nobody talks about?
Ryan Porter [4:46]
Probably the fact that I believe there were probably one of the most international countries in the world, especially if you’re going to one of the major cities. So the majority of Canada’s population lies on the border. United States everyone just kind of gathers around there to be as close to, to the better the better products and, and the cheaper clothes or whatever it is. But we have so many people from other countries. I’ve been to New York, I’ve been to Tokyo I’ve been to Paris, I’ve been la I’ve been all over the place. Toronto has more people from different countries than than any other city I’ve ever been in. and Canada, major cities are the same way. And did
David Ralph [5:26]
that sort of cosmopolitan atmosphere? Did that sort of set you up for your? Your big thinking? Because when you when you get so many different cultures in it must affect you somehow.
Ryan Porter [5:37]
Yeah, we always joke when we’re together with my group of friends that it looks like a un meeting of some sort. And I think that that’s part of the reason that that led me eventually I’m sure we’ll uncover this at some point. But one of the reasons I ended up in Japan was the fact that I was open to embracing new cultures as a kind of a byproduct of growing up with people from all over the planet
David Ralph [5:59]
was About the coaches but excite to them, Why are you such a globetrotter but not just somebody that goes around taking selfies of themselves, but you go and you really dig down and you try to make connections?
Ryan Porter [6:13]
Well, I think I think the fact that Canada is a very young country. And so there’s not a lot of, there’s gonna be people growing at this, but there’s not a lot of like deep Canadian cultural history. And so when I go to these places that have that I’m just so amazed to learn about why things are done a certain way, or why people still do these things or why this food is, you know, so important to this culture, whatever it is, I’m just I’m just keen to learn that stuff. Because I don’t think that we have enough of it. Here as in Canada.
David Ralph [6:45]
Well, you always sort of quizzical when you as a child, Were you the one who used to buy the Guinness Book of Records and would sort of pour through the facts and the always fascinated about things? That kind of kid? Yeah,
Ryan Porter [6:57]
yeah, absolutely. It’s it’s funny that you mentioned the game. This Book of World Records because we got it every single year at Christmas and I would go through it and not only what I look at who is making these records and what the records were, but I always looked at where the records were made. And that was so fascinating for me like the longest hair was in this country and the longest fingernails is in some small you know, town in Peru or whatever. I just I was fascinated by by that aspect of it.
David Ralph [7:23]
I don’t think it is a big secret that you are a Guinness World Records kind of con su it just seems to be a trait that running through the shows but if there’s somebody out there that is deeply questioning, I suppose not even quizzical they like to get to the bottom of things. Then there seems to be a Guinness World Records in their history. I’m the same we always get it every year and I was never happy with the ones when it was you know that the world’s fastest runner it was always the freaks I liked I it was always the ones that you kind of thing. Why Why would you from one to grow your fingernails back a long way, how do you live? How do you wipe yourself and all that kind of stuff? How do you just live a normal life by you were the ones that sort of fascinated me. So I can see that treating you as well as it is. But, you know, I suppose it’s asking that question Why?
Ryan Porter [8:17]
Yeah. And I think I think why and also like, what’s possible? Like, if I really wanted to grow my fingernails, how long could I grow them? Or, you know, if I really wanted to grow my beard out, how, how long can this beard grow? Like, those type of things just like speak to the possibility of human beings? I think that’s interesting.
David Ralph [8:35]
When you started asking your questions, your big questions, what was it later on? When you left college? Obviously, you were sort of going into adulthood or you’re already in adulthood. But you were you somebody right from the early age that used to ask big questions, not on the sort of Guinness World Record. Yes. Isn’t that interesting fact but the kind of stuff that people look at you and go, what what are you even thinking about where you’re not kind of child
Ryan Porter [9:00]
Yes, I know. So, what city? Do you live in David? Just outside London. Okay, so have you ever been in a subway station? I believe it’s the tube out there. So you’re, you’re in the station and everybody’s rushing. And you’re like, where is everybody going? And then you find yourself also rushing just because everybody else is rushing in the same direction that everybody else is rushing in.
David Ralph [9:22]
Ryan Porter [9:23]
Yeah. So I kind of felt like that in my later years of high school. It’s like I didn’t necessarily have anywhere that I was focused on going, you know, I just wanted to keep some options open and, and move forward with my schooling and sports and the other things that I was involved with. But then I saw everybody moving in the same direction like that, like you had to be going in that direction. And that direction here was university or maybe college, as they’re a little bit different here in Canada as they are in the US, or from the US, I guess, I should say. And so all these people moving in this direction. I’m like, Where are you all going? Everybody’s going to university. So I sat down with my guidance counsellor to talk about how I also could go in that direction. And when she asked me about the kind of things that I wanted in my life, and I told her, I want to own these businesses, I want to travel the world. I want to be a millionaire by this age. And she said, Well, Ryan, those are all for university students, you know, people who go to university and get the job that university would would open up and she said, You’re not a university type. And I said, What are you talking about? She said, Well, you always have a problem with authority. And I said, Well, no, I don’t. And she said, See, that she said, basically, like, you know, you should go to college or maybe become a welder or work in retail or something. And so at that point, I started really questioning like, why do we all ask the same question at the same point in our lives, and why do we feel like there’s one right answer? And I was really uncomfortable with the things that I started, I guess I was really uncomfortable with with just the uncertainty and the lack of clarity around that, that that that question. And that premise
David Ralph [11:01]
because your your attitude problem to authority now, I’ve always had that thrown at me as well. And I used to come back with the answer up. No, I don’t. I have no problems with authority, but I do have problems with respecting people that don’t earn that respect. And yeah, well, you that kind of person as well, because it seems too easy for people to say you’ve got an attitude problem, you’ve got a problem with authority, just because you are trying to do something different and going slightly against the tide somehow.
Ryan Porter [11:33]
Yeah, and I think especially as a young person, like you have to earn a young person’s attention and respect of course, but just just they’re just that they’re your time like, you need to earn that. And so growing up if you weren’t when I was working with teachers or or leaders in the community or whoever, like if they weren’t doing something that was legitimately and genuinely earning my attention and respect and and yeah, tension and respect that I’m not necessarily going to give it to them. I’m not going to be rude like, that’s not my parents didn’t bring me up to be a rude obnoxious kid. But you know, you have to earn that, that that respect and attention. I like
David Ralph [12:13]
the fact but the many ways now, but we do ask the same questions at the same time because that means that the system is broke somehow it means that we’re we’re fighting against something which, you know, as I said in the introduction, if you listen to enough of these shows, you know that I have a great respect for education. But I don’t have a respect for the education system that just seems to put kids in and pushes them out of the other end, devoid of idea and creativity, somehow just get a job, just get a job, just get a job. And you feel that same way, too.
Ryan Porter [12:47]
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I feel that the fact that we have a system that’s set up to be filled with are the leadership is filled, the leadership roles are filled of people who have the exact same educational background is just the breeding ground for a huge amount of problems.
David Ralph [13:06]
So so how do we overcome that? Because I don’t know the answer other than getting in there and showing kids a different way of operating, which I think the problem is that the education system is kind of controlled by people of an older generation. So they haven’t seen the ability to create online like we have. And they haven’t seen the ability to do things differently just because you’ve got the opportunities nowadays. They they preach what they know and what they feel comfortable with. And it’s almost like we want to have a bunch of teachers that go in there, and they’re only 10 years old, because they’re on their iPads. And I’ve seen all this kind of facility that they can do crazy stuff, and it’s not uncomfortable to them. You can use Can you see what I’m saying?
Ryan Porter [13:53]
Yeah, yeah, I totally get it. And it’s one of the things that I do with with my work is when I’m working with educators is addressing these kind of issues head on. And I don’t think that there’s a silver bullet. And I don’t think that that there’s a there’s an answer right now that I can say, Oh, if only we did this and everything would be okay. But I know it’s not working and that’s not doing anything and so I think that there’s some ways that we can start to make some changes to education that would have a huge impact things like mandatory work experience while you’re in high school, right because if you look back on your life David you probably have these these interesting experiences when you were a teenager stocking the shelves at the at the shop or you know, busing the table at the restaurant or, you know, serving the french fries at the pub or whatever it is that that you did as a younger teenager and your first kind of work experiences. They kind of shape and mould your, your belief system, your work ethic and the way that you view view work in general, right. And there’s the relationships that are built. I like doing this stuff. I don’t like doing this stuff. I like working with people. I find myself naturally in these leadership roles. I really liked when People hand my work to me, and I’m very clear on what I need to do. So like first thing, meaningful work experience. Second thing is allow people in education who aren’t professional career educators, people need to see that other people exist in the world and are completely successful and happy in their roles. And then the third thing, and I’m sure you have questions, the third thing is deepening the career chart. Because what happens is, is in high school education, in particular, when it comes time to start making some choices about careers, educators say things like you can be a doctor, a lawyer, an accountant, a teacher, or you can work in a factory. And it’s like, are those really the only career paths that exist in the world? Because I think there’s a few more in that list. Because cocoon
David Ralph [15:44]
advises and this is a sweeping generalisation because it’s my show it’s true as well. I think that career advisors should all be locked in a room and just sponged with cold water because they’re the most devoid of creative tivity and imagination that I’ve ever met individuals, when I ever as a child I used to go in and I can remember, I was very inspired by the fact that I was going to become a pop star. And so I went in there to the career advisor, and I said, you know what you want to be and I said, You know, I want to be a pop star, you know, I’m learning the keyboards, and that’s what I want to do. And it was squashed quite heavily. And I look back on that, and I think to myself, why, why did you need to squash something, which, more often than not, isn’t going to come true anyway, I would end up squashing it myself. Why couldn’t you sort of support that support that that desire, that ambition to do something? Why did you have to say, why don’t you think about working in a bank, David, because that’s just not inspiring. And what it does, Ryan and I think you’ll agree with it, all it does is make you as an individual think that you’ve got less choices. And so you do have to go with everybody else running in that same direction. Because as soon as you decide that you’re going to do something differently, it’s not realistic. And that’s just wrong. Isn’t it?
Ryan Porter [17:01]
Yeah, I think you just I was actually going to say these words before you before you even finish is I think the most damaging words in the English vocabulary when we’re speaking to young people are, like, be realistic. And when you say that to a young person that comes to you and trust you enough to share with you something that they want to do, you immediately limit the things that they can do in their own mind, right? And I’m not this, like, just follow your passion, the sky’s the limit guy, I’m not that guy, but I’m gonna let them figure it out. Like, you want to be a pop star. Great. How can I support that? Who other people that are doing that? Who can mentor you? And what can you do to learn about that and work your way in that path? because like you said, if it’s not for you, you’re going to learn your way out of that. Maybe you want to be a sound engineer. Maybe you want to be a choreographer, maybe you want to be a songwriter, like who knows what the possibilities are. But just because that’s just because that’s not realistic for the person who you’re talking to. Doesn’t mean it’s not realistic. The person who’s saying those words like it’s just it’s bizarre that we that we say that to young people.
David Ralph [18:05]
Yeah. And and the key essence to what you first want to do, can often be closely followed by something else which inspires you as well. So, for example, I might not have ended up being a pop star, but I could have become a sound engineer, if you get into that sort of that travel that that route towards something, as I as I find on this show, and as I find with so many people, and I’m going to ask you this question as well, because I’d be fascinated to see if it’s the same with you. But you get an idea of what you want to do. And you start focusing on it and you start working on it and you work hard on that thing than you’ve ever done. And then somewhere down the line, it seems to be a common theme that runs through all the Join Up Dots shows that something comes along and opportunity or conversation or whatever, which makes you think, Oh, hang on. This is my real path. I thought it was what I was working towards, but actually I can I can see but that was just me setting the foundations to be in the right place at that time. Now, when you started your journey by asking the big questions, more often than not, you’re in a different position. Now, is that true? And would you say that your position is more comfortable and more authentic to yourself and the first thing that you’ve thought about?
Ryan Porter [19:17]
Yeah, absolutely, I feel that like you were your description of how that works was so spot on. Like you start off by asking some questions, you head down this, this, this path that you think is going to be your path. And then along that track, at some point, the track operator, you know, switches splits the switch and all of a sudden you have this experience at this point where you find things moving in a different direction and there’s a little bit more clarity and confidence and obsession as well if we’re looking at kind of the work that I’m doing now it just kind of I’m obsessed with the the work and the answers that I’m trying to get to. And so I can give you a you know, if you’ll humour me with with about two minutes of time, I can probably give you a very specific example of when this this point, you know, happened in, in my career that
David Ralph [20:01]
you go for it, you go for it. So I’m gonna sit back and get a glass of water. I’m gonna listen to this.
Ryan Porter [20:06]
Okay, you do this so. So for the past eight or nine years I’ve been travelling North America speaking to high school kids about a million to date. And the past three years, I’ve been spending time speaking to kids who aren’t going to university or college. And three years ago, I was speaking at a conference called mission employable. And I go on stage, I speak to all these kids who aren’t going to university or college, I get off stage this kid comes and introduces himself to me as Michael, his chin quivering. He thanks me for being there. He tells me that his friends and family don’t know that he’s at the event. And when I asked him why, he says, Do you have any idea how embarrassing it is when your friends are opening up a university acceptance letter, and you’re the loser in the corner who doesn’t know what he’s doing with his life? And I left that conference and I couldn’t get Michael out of my brain because I started going through and thinking about my friends. who were in that exact same position who didn’t go to university or college. But guess what? They’re living happy and successful lives. And so that completely changed the career trajectory that I was on as I then slowly started doing less speaking, and I formed an entire company. That’s my main focus is helping the Michaels of the world, find meaningful employment and feel purpose.
David Ralph [21:23]
I love that story. And, you know, I sat and I reflected on so many people because the coming back to the education system again, I used to work up in the City of London, and we used to have graduates that used to come into banking, and we used to say, you know, what, what did you do at university? Oh, I got a degree in Roman history, and I used to be, what’s the point in that? What are you gonna be surrounded by Romans, and as long as it’s something that you’re learning that you can take forward, I’m totally for it. But I’m not into it like Michael who could have just gone as long as I get a degree. I can Somehow, as long as I’ve got that university education, I conform somehow doing your own thing has got to be as vital as getting an education I think and I’m imagining I’m once again sweeping statement, but I imagine if you look at the Richard Branson’s the Steve Jobs, the Bill Gates, I would like to know how many of them have fulfilled their education. I bet a lot of them dropped out because they realised that there was more to hustle muscle van actually a piece of paper.
Ryan Porter [22:31]
Yeah, all three of those people that you just mentioned, did not complete college. In fact, I believe Richard Branson dropped out of high school, Steve Jobs dropped out of college as dad Bill Gates. So So those are three perfect examples. But now on the on the flip side of that is I totally love those examples. But I think that we also do a little bit of discredit, when those are the only people that we focus on, right because if you look at your community, the community is run by people who aren’t necessarily University as Educated right so like the person who is selling your kids their their football cleats or football shoes or football boots, I’m not sure the correct you know, UK terminology. But here we would call them soccer cleats, or you know the person who’s sharpening the skates or the person who’s who’s keeping those those public spaces clean and the person who picks your kid up or school in the morning or the person who admits you to the hospital, like these are people who are not University educated and they make the world go round. And it’s okay to not want to be a Richard Branson, Steve Jobs or Bill Gates. And that’s the type of messages that I really want to get across to people is like, Look, this isn’t about like finding your passion under in your pocket, like some change that you forgot from the winter before. There’s no such thing as finding your passion. Your Passion is cultivated, it’s grown. It’s discovered and it only happens when you’re out there having experiences and deciding what those experiences mean to you.
David Ralph [23:54]
But let’s play some words for absolutely a queued up by that statement. This is Jim Carrey
Jim Carrey [24:00]
My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [24:27]
does that tie into what you’re doing? our experiences doing what you love, always the case that if you have enough experiences, there’s a glimmer of a chance that you will find the thing that you love.
Ryan Porter [24:39]
Well, I think it starts to shape through experiences, right? Like I had no idea that I wanted to run a technology startup when I was 21 years old, teaching English in Tokyo. But the experiences that I had from that point moving forward started to shape the things that I wanted to do and the things that I wanted to be involved with. And then the other thing is, is is one thing that we need to do and we need to make sure we’re doing as you know, educators or mentors or people in the community is not judging what other people want to do. Like, I have friends that just want to drive a truck for a living, and then spend the weekends going to the bar and having a couple drinks with their buddies, and they’re okay with that for the next 35 years. And it’s up to nobody else to judge them and tell them that you should want more from your life. Who are you to say that like, let let those people do what they want and figure those things out on their own. Like it’s not, it’s not for us to tell other people what they want to do or what they should love to do. But a caveat
David Ralph [25:35]
to that is that there are thousands, there’s millions of people that are in situations where they’re unhappy, and they can do something about it to make themselves happy. And I do see that a lot by go on a path that isn’t theirs, but go into a job just because they think it’s got queued up, and somewhere along the line. It’s not what they want to be but they’re so ingrained in it. They can’t back up And go, you know, I used to run a bank. And now I want to drive a lorry, you know, I, it seems that they’re trapped somehow and the defame of his show. Sometimes people say it’s about being entrepreneurial. And it really isn’t. I think the theme of the show is about being happy. And if you’re in a situation that you don’t lie, it’s down to you as the listener down to me down to you to do something about it. And I think that’s the theme. And so I do see that people can do anything that they want in life, but ultimately, it’s got to be driven by happiness as anyone.
Ryan Porter [26:37]
Yeah, I think you nailed it perfectly. And I think that, you know, I can’t remember who said it may have been I may just getting this wrong, but I think it was actually Steve Jobs who talked about gut checking himself every day. And if there’s enough days that went in a row where things he wasn’t waking up looking in the mirror and feeling excited about what he wanted to do. It was time to time to change the things that he was working on. And I think that you know, people like we as human beings need to be a little bit dialled into the way that we’re feeling about the things that we’re doing. And that’s not saying that every day is going to be double rainbows and unicorns. But if there’s, you know, three months, six months, nine months of those things in a row where you’re just not feeling excited about what you’re doing, find out how to inject some excitement to gather those experiences and the courage to make the changes that you need to make
David Ralph [27:27]
is fascinating. You talked about Steve Jobs, obviously, the show is built around his words, and we will play his speech later on. But that that speech that you were just talking about, I actually just posted on the Join Up Dots Facebook page today. And it was jobs that it was Steve Jobs. And what he said is, your time is limited, so don’t waste it living someone else’s life. Don’t be trapped by dogma, which is living with the results of other people’s thinking. Don’t let the noise of others opinions drown out your own inner voice, and most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition, they somehow already know what you truly want to become, which is what you were saying if you check fat every day, your body almost tells you and if you if you wake up in it oh my god, which I did for many, many years, another day when you’re doing well and if you wake up with nervous energy anticipation you on the right track somehow it is the body’s compass isn’t it?
Ryan Porter [28:25]
Yeah yeah it’s a lot like I don’t know if you’ve ever been at a house party where you know you’re getting ready to leave there’s a bunch of shoes at the front door and you just happen to put on the rock someone else’s shoes, they look like yours, you put your feet in them, and like you know right away like these aren’t my shoes, because the inside like it just feels different. There’s a little and maybe maybe new right away but then you tried walking a little bit and like 10 yards in or 10 feet or 10 metres in, you know, and now you’re like this is really uncomfortable and you know that you keep just going to get more uncomfortable and more uncomfortable until you go back and change the shoes and the shoes that you’re supposed to be wearing. But I think that that’s what happens. With work and with hobbies and relationships, you kind of get into them. You’re like something’s not right, that kind of looked what I what I thought I wanted or what I wanted. And as you start to move a little bit more with those things, they start to be a little bit more uncomfortable. And then you get to a point where sometimes you’re like, well, I’ve gone so far, I can’t turn around and make the exchange now, or you say, I’m taking these off right now because I can’t take another step. Horrible analogy, but it’s kind of like that.
David Ralph [29:23]
No, I say that totally. And I can see how that has huge resonance. We’ve certainly my life in the corporate career, where for many years, I felt that I was wearing somebody else’s shoes. I was playing a part. I was playing what the company expected me to be. And it’s exhausting to do that. Because you’re not being who you should be. You’re not wearing the shoes that are comfortable to you. So at the end of the day, you can’t wait to take your shoes off because your feet are killing you. Due to the fact that you are walking in somebody else’s shoes.
Ryan Porter [29:55]
Yeah, and that’s that’s exactly yeah. Like to the to the to the most perfect agree and and from the outside you can almost rationalise yourself out of not taking them off, right? Like, well, they kind of look what I want or other people kind of want these ones or other people might wear these are, you know, you can kind of rationalise your way out of making the change immediately. But I think that you know, there’s there’s got to be a point where you just say enough is enough, the only person who has something to gain or lose from me being you know, a little bit more happy is me and and the people around me and I just think that that takes a lot of a lot of courage. And it’s, it’s not the most simple thing, but I believe it’s the most necessary thing.
David Ralph [30:34]
So when you quit your business programming college, was there a certain amount of peer pressure? Did you hear mom and dad saying, Ryan, what the hell are you doing? You know, how important is to get through college and all that kind of stuff? Was it a big decision or was it an easy one to do?
Ryan Porter [30:49]
That one for me was an easy decision. I made that one completely on my own. My parents have always been really cool at you know, supporting me in whatever I wanted to do. But I dropped out. I dropped out of college and I quit my job as the manager of this grocery store near my my parents house and I moved to a friend’s house a couple of hours away, who was going to university and I lived in his basement I lived in partied like a university student, but I wasn’t a university student. I wasn’t employed. And my mom showed up one day, and she surprised me for she took me out for lunch and surprised me. And during the lunch conversation, she basically said, like, Ryan, I love you. I support you in your decisions. You are not doing anything constructive right now. move to Japan and figure out your life or something or like go and get a job or something. And she was just joking. She could have said, move to Trinidad or move to South Africa. She just happened to say Japan, and I had a friend who, whose ex girlfriend was teaching English in Japan. And I thought, well, that could be an interesting experience. And I applied that day to go and teach English. Two weeks later, I had the interview Two months later, I got the job. And when I told my mom she cried for like two weeks straight, but I was just joking about Japan. But that’s kind of how that how that happened. It wasn’t, you know, it wasn’t this decision was like, should I do it? Should I drop out of college? It’s just going to be a big thing. I was like, Man, this is not what I want at all.
Unknown Speaker [32:11]
How do you
David Ralph [32:13]
query this myself? Many times? How do you teach people to speak English if they can’t understand what you’re telling them in the first place? I’ve always wondered about that.
Ryan Porter [32:23]
So a couple of things. One is in Japan, they learn English from middle school up so they do have a base vocabulary to is they borrow a lot of English words for Japanese, they just apply Japanese pronunciation. So for example, the word cheeseburger is cheesy bug. So they kind of can piece those things together. And the other thing is, we just read the marketing of the company that I worked for was just full immersion, right, like common speak, come and speak with people who will only speak English to you. So so that’s the way that they kind of marketed it, and that’s why they hired a 21 year old college dropout at the time and just for the record, I did eventually go back and finish college. But that’s why they hired people like me to go out there and teach English.
David Ralph [33:03]
And then when you were out there was it obviously Japan is in many ways is a real culture shock is it’s one of those countries that when you land you know you’re in a different country where unlike somebody like America there’s the there’s a huge similarities with the United Kingdom and Canada and Australia also very similar but Japan is really you know, different when you got there. Was it a time when you really found yourself because of those those differences? Or was it a time that you bought yourself? No, this is an experience I’m gaining from this but I can’t wait to get back to where I feel most comfortable.
Ryan Porter [33:38]
Now, I was definitely the first one. I was a sponge while I was out there in terms of just being open to the experience of being somewhere completely different. And I kind of made a note to to talk to everybody I could about like why what are you doing here or what what kind of stuff were you doing in the past and I started meeting really interesting people like I met scuba diving and instructors who used to work in Thailand and professional surf photographers used to work in Hawaii and professional snowboarders and models and artists and musicians and met all these people. I’m like, Why didn’t anybody tell me about these things? When I was in, like, where were these options? And that’s what that’s what kind of started me on this journey of helping young people, you know, connect with the things that they want to be doing as well. You.
David Ralph [34:23]
This is uncanny really, because I, I’ve never had a crush on a man in my life. And I’m a I’m a 44 year old man, and I’ve got kids and I’ve got grandson and I’ve been happily married for many, many years. And I went to where was I 10 a week in Spain. And my son wanted to do scuba diving. And so the chap turned up and I should have been about seven people and it was only my son Dan, who turned up so it was just one on one. And he got taken into the swimming pool and he for about an hour got shown how to breathe, and then he got taken To the sea, and it was Turtle Beach and he would go down under the water with his chap. And he would he would serve and he died when he was about 12 or so. And this guy, he was a banker in a know an estate agent, a retail estate agent. So he deals with retail properties and stuff in the United Kingdom. And he realised he was on the wrong path. He realised he didn’t like it, and it was his own business. So he said, Well, I just sold it and I decided I would come over here. And when he was bare, just on holiday, he met a chap in a bar who said, Oh, I run a diving school. And he went, Oh, that sounds interesting. So you went there. And then he got really into it. And then he started doing lesson. And the long story short, I just listened to this guy. And he was then going to start his own diving school in Madagascar or somewhere like that. And he was just so free and so happy and so comfortable with these choices. And so kind of windswept and His hair was long and he was so different from What you would imagine somebody in real estate would be looking like, but I just kind of all I think I love this man, this this is, this is an image of how I want everyone to live on the planet. But he’s so into the decisions that he’s making. And if they’re right decisions, great. And if they’re wrong decisions, he doesn’t care, it might offer decisions, and you just keep on building his path. And I said to my son on the way back, listen to this guy. He’s like a diving Yoda. This is you’re going to get more experience from this guy, when you are from anything you’re going to learn at school. And my son said, Why? Why do you think that? And I say because he’s authentic. He’s authentic. And if you’re fantastic, and you are totally in love with what you’re doing, then you’ve got an option of a career. You’ve got an option of a life that really sort of floats your boat, and I thought he was amazing, Brian, I’ve never told that story on the show.
Ryan Porter [36:54]
Yeah, that’s amazing. And that’s I think one of the big takeaways, it’s just that there’s a real freedom in choosing decisions that are making decisions that are best for you like the decisions that the time that like the points where you really feel conflict and that like inner stress is when you’re weighing two options that neither are your choice. Do you know what I mean? Like, should I do this job? Or should I go to this programme and this school? Neither would I don’t want to do either of them. But But which one should I do, and then there’s a real conflict and tension there. But then you do meet these people from time to time that are kind of doing things on their own. And they’re making the decisions that they want to be making. And they’re just in the just in the zone, like, you want to be around those people. You want to go and sit down in the pub with them and just just sponge up anything that they have to say, and those are the people that you want to be around. And it doesn’t matter if they’re multi millionaires working the tech world or if they’re scuba diving instructors in Spain, like it’s just, it’s just the way that it works. You want to be around those people who are making decisions that are that are right for them.
David Ralph [37:53]
Because the interesting thing about you is in many ways, listening to you talk about your history. And the way you think about things, you remind me of that diving guy, very free, very liberated and willing to do their own thing and make their own decision. But then on the other side, you’re the co founder, and you’re the CEO of raise your flag, and it’s a business. But hopefully we’ll get bigger and bigger and bigger. Does that ultimately take you away from the person I first spoke spoke to on this on this interview, are you going to become the corporate guy? Or is there a way to bridge to to?
Ryan Porter [38:29]
I think that that the company that I’ve started is the vehicle for me to have the impact that I’ve always wanted to have. One of the reasons I’ve slowed down speaking as much as I used to, is because I can go and I can speak to an audience of 5000 kids or I can build this website that brings actual meaning to young people’s lives by the millions. And and that’s where I see you know, that’s where I see my my role being and the second that it becomes this thing that It’s making me a person who, who I’m not or who I don’t want to be, I will jump ship and you can hold me accountable to that. There are some days I wake up, and it absolutely sucks trying to go and talk to venture capitalists to try to raise money to keep the company open for another 12 months. But then there are other times where it’s just the greatest thing to receive emails from our users saying, Thank you, I had no idea this is an option. And now Because of you, I have a job interview with this company. And that that helps me kind of, you know, skip over those not so pleasant days and and focus on what it is we’re building.
David Ralph [39:32]
And do the kids that you talk to do they look at you as an old guy, or do they look at you as one of them? Are you a role model for them? Not just what you’re offering them that they can, you know, raise their own flag and do their own thing, but do you think people look at you and think, yeah, I think I’d try to do that as well.
Ryan Porter [39:50]
Yeah, it’s interesting. I’ve heard a lot of things said about me over the years for the work that I’ve been doing and still to this day, to this day, that the greatest thing I can hear somebody say About me is like Ryan, you’re just like us, you are so real or, like, I can’t believe you responded to this email, you’re just such a real person, like this kind of stuff is what I think this is about, like the fact that these young people feel that, you know, just responding to an email or having a one on one conversation makes me real. Like that’s, that’s a weird place to be in. But if that allows them to say that about me, that’s fantastic. So I don’t think they look at me as necessarily as this like, old wise Gandalf character. And I don’t think they look at me as like a peer in terms of like a classmate. But I definitely believe they look at me from time to time as somebody who’s a few steps ahead of where they are right now, and will offer some very kind of unfiltered advice on on how to how to how to make it through that.
David Ralph [40:42]
He said, isn’t it that the fact that you respond to an email and they go, Well, it shows us that we’re in a culture now but you can send 1000 resumes out and you don’t expect a single answer back. You send the emails, you don’t get any answer back and we’re in a culture of information going one way, and very rarely it comes back the other way. And certainly, when you’re trying to get into a career or break down the door to get an interview, or one of those kind of things quite sad, isn’t it?
Ryan Porter [41:12]
It’s, it’s sad, it’s selfish. And it just shows a really a real lack of perspective, right? Because if we were to talk to the people who are receiving those emails, I totally get it that some people are just swamped and answering 100 100,000 direct messages or tweets a day is just out of the question. But I think for a lot of these like regular average, you know, average folk who are getting emails and messages on social media, asking them how they got started, or if they could offer some advice or be a mentor. I think that ignoring those messages or not even not even being able to say sorry, I’m swamped at the moment. I think it just shows a real lack of perspective on on where they are and where they were, because everybody was at a point somewhere where they needed somebody else to just give them a glimmer of hope, a word of advice or an ear to listen to. And and the fact that they can’t do that is just Yes, it’s really unfortunate. Like I said, it’s a real lack of perspective.
David Ralph [42:04]
Because I used to onset Well, I still I answer every single email that comes through to me and I personally answer them. And when I started the show, I had one or two every week. Now, it’s like a tsunami. And some of them you feel like you have to type it out. But I discovered vocaroo. Have you used vocaroo? Which is amazing. Have you used that, sir?
Ryan Porter [42:24]
I have not. I am writing it down right now.
David Ralph [42:26]
Now what it is, it’s particularly good as your ability because you’re talking to a microphone at the moment that you basically you go on there and you press record and it records your voice and you just basically speak into it. And then once it’s finished, you just send it and it goes off as an email. So the person at the upper end can actually get your own voice now, from my side of the fence that’s hugely positive because they’re used to my voice. I hear it on a daily basis. So when they get a personal email and it’s got my voice, there’s it’s such a strong connection from the but it saves you so much time from obviously typing out every single email that you Get you basically just press record you speak into him bang it goes is marvellous and I’ve got such great feedback from using that.
Ryan Porter [43:07]
That is awesome I’m definitely gonna try it
David Ralph [43:09]
yeah yeah Troy is um it’s it’s a life changer it because I remember getting one that there were there was a chat that well he’s still around who runs a website called Entrepreneur on Fire john Lee Dumas. And I sent an email to him before I started the show and he responded, and it was it was one of those connections that I thought it’s a real person. There’s a real person who cares from the other side. And it’s not a corporate Corporation. It’s an individual. And even if you get through to an individual in in a corporation who responds, it’s such a win, isn’t it? It’s such a big, it’s done those magic favours, I like to say it’s that ability to suddenly Believe in yourself. And when somebody believes in you and you believe in yourself, you can fly.
Ryan Porter [43:55]
Yeah, yeah, I think that’s exactly right.
David Ralph [43:58]
So So what are you doing with your Life now so so it was interesting that you’re having to raise money for the company. So how is it fully funded? How do you go about it? How is it not something that could literally crumble overnight, he’s got foundations.
Ryan Porter [44:15]
Yeah, so the company was funded with a little bit of our money, a little bit of investor money, and now it’s actually earning revenue. But we see this opportunity to make this a very, very big, very big thing and help millions of young people across across the world. And so for us to get that type of scale as quickly as we want it, it requires a little bit of venture capital or Angel money as they like to call it in the industry. So we’re looking at infusing infusing the business with some cash that will help us just really grow a little bit more quickly and then have a little bit more impact. So you know, we could continue to grow a little bit slowly and, and and add more revenues and more revenues and hire a couple people here there or you get an infusion of cash, hire a bunch of people and really grow really grow what we’re doing. And of course, that’s the very simplified version of how it works. But that’s, that’s essentially what we’re looking at doing.
David Ralph [45:05]
And do you know in, you know, in the greatest respect to this question, do you actually know what you’re doing? Or is it a case but you are literally hustling, trying things, failures, stumbles, successes, all those kind of things that makes the journey interesting.
Ryan Porter [45:22]
So the the most transparent answer is I have no idea what I’m doing. I know a little bit more now than I did yesterday and a little bit more yesterday than I knew three months ago. But like, I remember I was on this phone call with a venture capitalist who manages you know, hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. And she asked me a question and she said, Hey, could you shoot me over this? This this note? And she, you know, it was it was an accounting term. I had no idea what the accounting term was. I said, Yeah, sure. I’ll get it to you. I’ll get it to in the next couple of hours. The second I hung up the phone I called up one of the investors who had invested in US invested into us Previously, and I’m like, What is this thing? And she’s like, oh, it just means this, like, you can send that off to her no problem. I’m like, Okay, good to know. Like, I have no idea. I know that, you know, I’m at the front of the ship that is in a very kind of like stormy condition. We’re moving in a direction, I can see a few things. But there’s a whole lot of stuff I can’t see. And I’m okay with that right now.
David Ralph [46:19]
Let’s play some words. Oprah Winfrey,
Unknown Speaker [46:22]
the way through the challenge is to get still and ask yourself, what is the next right move? not think about, Oh, I got all of this. What is the next right move. And then from that space, make the next right move, and the next right move, and not to be overwhelmed by it. Because, you know, your life is bigger than that one moment. You know, you’re not defined by what somebody says, is a failure for you. Because failure is just there to point you in a different direction.
David Ralph [46:54]
The fact that you were so transparent and I praise you for that because that is the kind of honesty The listeners need. Do those words resonate with you. But Oprah says, you know, we really don’t know what we’re doing. You just have to make a decision. And if it’s the right decision, great, and if it’s not, then look at it and try to make another one afterwards.
Ryan Porter [47:15]
Yeah, I think she’s spot on. And you know, if you think about, do they have it in the UK, connect the dots puzzles were little kids, there’s a picture but that doesn’t exist until you actually connect all of the dots. For some reason, there you go dot the dot, I think that that’s essentially what this is all about is like, you know that out there, there’s kind of this big picture for you and you know, kind of what it could be. But without connecting all of those dots, and we’re obviously on the Join Up Dots show that that that’s really how that picture comes to be is as you connect each.by dot you can’t skip from one to 31 you have to go from one to two and then you get to two you go to three and that’s how this thing slowly starts to get to be formed this this larger picture, but I think that so often we get consumed With that bigger vision that we’re almost like paralysed after things don’t materialise overnight.
David Ralph [48:05]
So how do you break free from that? Because I know exactly what you’re feeling because I’ve had big visions. And I’ve decided to not think about the vision because it’s too big for me to deal with, but with yourself, where you’re doing something that is affecting so many people’s lives, and there’s livelihoods involved in all that kind of stuff, how do you not wake up in the middle of night and go, Oh, my God, I’m having a freakout moment. I really don’t know what to do next.
Ryan Porter [48:31]
That Well, to be honest, that happens. I’m not gonna be the guy who sits around be like, Well, you know, I just made this like three month plan. And every day we execute on the thing that I said, we’re going to execute on. I’ve woken up in the middle of the night with Jen scared the crap out of my wife when I’m like saying her wife is my wife’s name is saeko. And like, say, second week, and she wakes up, she’s like, what’s wrong? And I tell her something that’s on my mind. Like, I can’t play that doesn’t happen. But what I think the kind of the approach that I tend to take is, you know, the same way that I would approach eating a giant steak you needed piece by piece and you cut the pieces off and you take what you can manage at that time. And I think that I think that’s what it’s really about is saying, Okay, I have this place that I want to get to. And right now, I can’t do steps seven through 22. But I can probably do steps one through three. And I’m just going to start there and see what unfolds as we head down that path.
David Ralph [49:20]
I think this is a brilliant conversation and is one of the kind of shows that will be the flagship to Join Up Dots because it it really shows you that none of us know what we’re doing. We really don’t because you can’t know what you’re doing if you’ve never done it before. And we look at people and we look at the success they’ve got and we make these these suggestions in our minds, but they must have had some inside knowledge or they’ve got some skills or they haven’t been they haven’t they haven’t I when I started this show, I had no idea and I’m coming up to 300 shows now. I’ve got a lot more idea how to do the show. But the trouble is, as the show is getting more successful things are coming towards me Which is taking me again into those areas of I really have no idea what I’m doing here. I don’t know if it’s gonna work or not. And when you try things, and it’s only when you look back, as Steve Jobs says, as we’re here later, you suddenly realise, oh, yeah, actually, I’ve moved on from that actually wasn’t so scary. It was scary coming up to it. But looking back on it. I think I can deal with that again. But it’s always new for you, isn’t it? And that’s the thing you
Ryan Porter [50:24]
Yeah, and I don’t think it’s ever like a five year plan that’s driving that. I think its intention. I think its purpose. I think its vision. And I think its support that really moves those things forward. It’s never like, and here’s my five year plan and execute on every single thing. It’s I want to move in this direction, because I feel it’s the direction that I should be moving in. And then you start like, the that’s the most important thing about any of this, whether it’s a new business or a new habit that you’re going to figure out if that’s the thing for you or not, and then you can adjust like that’s, that’s really what it’s about. And like you said, then at some point, there will be a, you know, a time for you to look back and say, Hey, we kind of we’ve made some progress here. But I think it boils down to just that, that intention of of, of where you want to go and that purpose of what you’re doing and that vision of where you want to end up.
David Ralph [51:08]
That doesn’t excite you does because I tell you what, doing what I do now, it really excites me and the possibilities are so exciting. Well, you don’t want to see a middle aged man being too excited, but that’s how excited that I am. Are you excited?
Ryan Porter [51:24]
I am probably the most excited right now that I’ve ever been like, it’s just the ideas and the support and the the purpose and the and the believers that we have and what what I’m doing and what we’re doing as a team.
Man, it’s just so exciting.
David Ralph [51:41]
Do you think everybody should have that excitement? Do you do you think what you’ve got and what I’ve got and we’re we’re talking about it and we’ve only got it by taking action. We’ve been quite open with her. But do you think that’s how the world should feel they should wake up every morning. feeling excited is another day. Come on.
Ryan Porter [52:00]
Yeah, I think that there should be that element of excitement somewhere, you know, like, I totally get that there’s some people that are just working nine to five, and that’s their thing. But if they’re leaving nine to five, and they’re not excited about what’s happening after nine to five, then that’s a real problem or what’s happening before nine to five, then that’s a real problem. They need to be connected to something that’s making them excited like it’s okay to go to work clock and clock out and come home and then spend your time with your son on the model trains are going fishing or going to the gym or becoming but then you know, on that on that sports team that you play with that you just you look forward to like you need some some element of that excitement or things are gonna be you know, really tough.
David Ralph [52:39]
Let’s play the words of Steve Jobs. And as we recording at the moment, he would if he was still alive, but you very, very excited because he’s company has just reported the biggest profits quarterly profits ever, like $16 billion. And when you think that he started in these garriage, and he’s just taking that to a point and the company’s got bigger and bigger and Bigger, he just blows your mind. This is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [53:04]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [53:39]
Did you think well I pretty much sure but he couldn’t have possibly believed when he started but the company was going to ultimately bring in more than a small European country.
Ryan Porter [53:50]
Yeah, I think that that’s I think that I think it’s like, did you guys get Looney Tunes? Yeah, UK we do you know, like wily coyote just runs out off the edge, and the only time he ever Falls is when he looks down, right? He could run for miles and miles and miles. But at some point, he looks down and he’s like, what the heck am I doing? And you’ll see him fall. That’s the way that that cartoon always works. And I think that, you know, Steve Jobs. I think that any other influential person in the history of time didn’t set out with this perfect course they just ran off the edge and never looked out.
David Ralph [54:20]
I love that wily coyote image Yeah, I haven’t. I haven’t thought of that for ages. And it was always it was always the Acme company, wasn’t it? Everything was from the Acme company. I don’t know who it was, but they were a good company they should have. They could have been the new Apple can they started with?
Unknown Speaker [54:36]
Yeah, maybe that was the inspiration at some point.
David Ralph [54:38]
So so looking at those words, if we took you back, is there a big.on? Those Join Up Dots timeline, I asked this question that cheated, everyone. But is there a big.in your life when you went? Yeah, if I look back on it, that’s the moment when Ryan Porter was born.
Ryan Porter [54:55]
Yeah, the second I stepped off of the plane and the Rita airport on March 20. The fifth 2004 in Japan things were set on a whole different course for me
David Ralph [55:06]
that’s amazing that they so clearly defined to you you can remember the date and everything Yeah, yeah, it was just one of those things where I knew that things would be very different I’ve now you know, because of because of my adventure there. I’ve been back 14 times since I have a very strong connection with the people and I don’t mean like the people and gentlemen, my friends and my family over there. It’s just it’s been It was one of it was the big dot for me that really allowed me to see things through a different lens. And well is lovely about your event is it was a positive dot. Most of my guests will say, adult that was really bad. It was them escaping from a position of pain, and that’s why they created movement, but yours wasn’t yours was just one link to the possibility of experience.
Ryan Porter [55:54]
Yeah, mine was literally just like, let’s have a go like that was it like let’s just see what happens. And let’s just throw everything out the window and and see what can happen. And and lucky enough it was a positive experience and was kind of the catalyst for quite a few things for me.
David Ralph [56:10]
Well Lucky for us as well and lucky for the world because I think what you’re doing is amazing. And he really does talk to my heart because I think that the kids out there, they’ve got an opportunity of a life, but we just need to nurture that somehow we need to let them realise but yeah, those weirdos that you see that you kind of think, what are they doing for their life? They’re living, they’re living, they’re not just doing what everybody else is they’re having the time of their life and it might be the right decision. It might be the wrong decision. It might be financially viable. They might be poor, but they’re still living and I think that’s the key point that we’ve got to get across to you. Right. I agree. That was a very short answer to my big rant.
Unknown Speaker [56:51]
Well, I think you nailed it perfectly. You know a man
David Ralph [56:54]
a few words right? You’re taking that Japanese efficiency to the to the top of You video.
Ryan Porter [57:01]
Well, I think you nailed it. I think you’d like there’s really nothing I can add to that is that I think that that’s it. That’s what this is about?
David Ralph [57:07]
Well, I’m going to add to it because this is the end of the show. And this is the part that we call the Sermon on the mic when we send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time, and speak to the young Ryan, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give? Well, we’re gonna find out, because I’m gonna play the theme and when it fades, you’re up. This is the Sermon on the mic.
Ryan Porter [57:50]
All right. 16 year old, squeaky, less hairy version of me. Let’s have a chat. You were 16 years old. And there’s a couple things I need to tell you. One, there is no rush. If you ever see a large group of people rushing in one direction, it is your job to turn in the exact opposite direction and run as fast as you can. You’re going to see everybody trying to convince you to move in a certain direction, and it’s not the one for you. And it will always be like that, too. You’re going to, you’re going to come to a point where you’re going to want to ask yourself the question, what do I want to be when I grow up? Do not do that. Throw that question away and slap anybody in the face who asks you that question. replace that question. The questions you need to ask yourself are, what do I want to have? Where do I want to go? What do I want to do? Who do I want to be? What do I want to be involved with? What do I want to contribute to and what do I want my legacy to be? do those things young squeaky voice less Harry version Ryan, and I think that you’ll be okay Ryan, how Can audience connect with you sir? Ryan at raise your flag calm. I’m on Twitter at lunch underscore buddy. And on Facebook facebook.com slash Ryan speaks
David Ralph [59:15]
will have all the links on the show notes. Ryan, thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining up those dots and please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Ryan Porter, thank you so much.
Ryan Porter [59:31]
Thank you so much for having me on the show.
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