Danny Flood Joins Us On the Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast
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Introducing Danny Flood
Danny Flood is today’s guest on the Steve Jobs inspired Join UP Dots podcast.
He is the co-founder of OpenWorld, the world’s #1 resource for active lifestyle creators.
What that means is instead of finding a job to fund your lifestyle, you create your lifestyle and then find ways to fund it.
If you want to be an underwater basket weaver then work out how much you need to earn to do this, and then go out and find different ways of funding this.
Be creative with the choices that you make to achieve your dreams.
Don’t be pigeon holed by what people tell you is the normal route to success.
Do things your way, and love every second of your life.
How The Dots Joined Up For Danny
Well todays guest has always had that entrepreneurial spirit and since the age of 9 has loved to flex his hustle muscle.
And with a history entailing going from broke ramen-eating college graduate to growing a profitable online business and pursuing lifestyle design with reckless abandon.
And through his many adventures around the world has been robbed, fallen from bridges and motorbikes, hugged exotic animals, and nearly died several times in pursuit of his dreams.
He is now a man who literally can call the world his home, and the planet his playground.
So what was about him that made him up for the challenge to brush himself down and go again when things got tough?
And why would he say that the world hasn’t quite bought into the belief that they can literally create the life of their dreams?
Well lets find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Mr Danny Flood
During the episode we discussed such weighty topics such as:
How Google no longer want highly educated people, but want people who are humble and aware of their weaknesses.
Why he journeyed through Vietnam on a motorbike intoxicated by the feeling of freedom
How your vision and mission are far more important than the goals that you set for yourself.
How buying an island is the dream that so many people have, but more often than not is not the end goal they should be searching for.
How he believes in the words “How perfectionism in the unwillingness to be uncomfortable” and what they mean to him.
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Full Transcription Of Danny Flood Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes, hello, bear. Well, welcome to Join Up Dots Episode 293. And we have got a guest on the show today, and I’ll be honest, I I’m I’m a heterosexual male, but this this man is a bit of a man crush because the lifestyle that he’s living is the kind of thing but really, I would like myself and I think so many of us would like themselves as well. He’s the co founder of open world, the world’s number one resource for active lifestyle creators. And what that means is instead of finding a job to fund your lifestyle, you create your lifestyle. Then find ways to fund it. If you want to be an underwater basket weaver then work out how much you need to earn to do this. And then go out and find different ways of funding this. Be creative with the choices that you make to achieve your dreams and don’t be pigeon holed by what people tell you is the normal route to success. Do things your way and love every second of your life? Well, today’s guest has always had that entrepreneurial spirit and since the age of nine has loved to flex his hustle muscle and we have a history in trading going from broke Rayman eating college graduate. I don’t even know what Raymond is to be honest, to growing a profitable online business and pursuing lifestyle design with reckless abandon. He is showing that muscle on a daily basis and through his many adventures around the world has been robbed, fold him from purchase and motorbikes shouldn’t laugh, hug the exotic animals and nearly died several times in pursuit of his dreams. He’s now a man who can literally call the world his home and the planet he’s playground. So what was it about him that made him up for the challenge to brush himself down and go again when being got tough? And why would he say that the world hasn’t quite bought into the belief that they can literally create the life of their dreams? Well, let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Mr. Danny flood. How are you, Danny?
Danny Flood [2:13]
Mr. Ralph, thank you so much for that awesome introduction. By the way, ramen noodles are the traditional news of Japan, but they are typically found in the grocery stores for about 20 cents a pack.
David Ralph [2:26]
So it’s a cheap way. It’s a cheap way of funding yourself. If you’re a student then
Danny Flood [2:32]
I think a lot of entrepreneurs who are trying to to make it and we’re trying to to, I think a lot of us would not survive if not, not for the ramen noodles. So whoever invented those, I wish I could have a conversation with him and just express my gratitude.
David Ralph [2:48]
Did you have things in in America and the rest of the world Obviously, I’m speaking from the United Kingdom, we had these things called pot noodles, which are amazing things where you just basically take off the lid and you pour Hot water into him and about five minutes later he’s a noodley mill. Did you have bones?
Danny Flood [3:06]
I’m sure it’s probably very similar to that. And you familiar with James altucher Yes,
David Ralph [3:11]
yes, I am.
Danny Flood [3:13]
James altucher he did a post on this recently and he he said that whoever invented ramen noodles I think the guy was like 50 years old or something he told the story about him but he’s like, you know, I would have started long ago not for this guy. So I think it’s probably similar to the partners that you have. It’s not exactly the most nutritious it’s very carb heavy but it’s also very cheap and you get a lot of calories for your buck.
David Ralph [3:37]
The best one Danny if you’re ever in a shop and you’re looking around and you see Pot Noodle and you think oh, I’m a member of his from that show. Look for the Bombay bad boy. That’s the one that’s the one that will put hairs on your chest even if you’re late even if you’re a lady you will your turn into a man it’s it’s powerful stuff the Bombay bad boy.
Unknown Speaker [3:57]
David Ralph [3:58]
what I want to know about you down is really, where do you get your spirit from? Because you’ve had a journey which has been? Well, it’s been ups and downs to say the least. Is it something that you look back on? And you go, yeah, I’ve always had that spirit in life, or is it something that came to a point and you thought, right, there’s only one way and that’s forward. I’ve got to go forward. Can you can you sort of assess that?
Danny Flood [4:23]
Well, I did kind of feel like there was a way that was being forced on me. But I always felt like I’ve been a bit of a rebel David. I, you know, ever since going up to like second grade, I was kicked out of like three or four schools even before that second or third grade. And for some reason, I kept feeling like this mould was being placed on me and I just couldn’t fit into this mould that the world was placing on me. And I think in high school, I had the record for most absent days and most doctor’s visits because I have always had to go to the doctor to get a note so I could skip class. I’m not exactly proud of that distinction, but You know, going back I feel like my whole life I always felt like I wasn’t fitting into I wasn’t meshing into the mould that
society was placing on me Not that I feel pressured into,
David Ralph [5:12]
and what was it a problem? But was was it something where you kind of thought, this is actually fun? I’m doing this I’m skipping classes, I’m enjoying myself or was made well mentally? Was you a tortured soul because you was doing it?
Danny Flood [5:26]
I was a tortured soul. You know, I felt I felt guilty and I was depressed because I mean, I could go to several points in my life, David, but, you know, after graduating college, especially, you know, I had to figure out the next 50 years of my life and I felt like there was no help. I felt like I was alone. And I was looking out for mentors. And I just, it was really depressing. And I kind of used that, that pain as a motivator to try to figure out trying to find answers, and I was looking for answers everywhere and, you know, working really hard Mostly it mostly struggling you know, and eventually I was able to kind of put the pieces together Join Up Dots as you would say. And you know, you say that you envy me now but you know, any any person you look up to, I mean, there was probably a long hard road and a struggle to get there. Over the last five years, you know, like like, you probably checked on my bio, I’ve travelled over 30 countries and just done all these things around the world because I really dug deep and asked myself you know, what’s, what’s true to me now? What do I really want not not what other people want? Because I felt like the more I tried to please other people and do what I was supposed to be doing, it was making me unhappy. And we could talk about that or whatever you want to jump in?
David Ralph [6:43]
Well, no, it is. It is a key point isn’t it is a key point to most people’s lives. But when you start and I think it’s probably programme because when you’re a child, you get told what to do all the time. And so you you kind of buying into batteries, what’s live you get told when to go to bed, you get told to go to school, you get told by teachers. And then when you get into that middle ground of actually finding your feet, you’re so programmed from 13 1516 years of being told what to do. You kind of almost like that somehow. And it’s not till later in your life, you start rebelling because you think to yourself, hang on, hang on, this isn’t the life I want. This is somebody else’s life that I’m leading. So did you see that with other people in your sort of vicinity, your peer group, where other people kind of going into directions where you think that’s not you? Why are you doing that? I know your dad’s a carpenter, but you’re you’re going to be a rubbish carpenter. And you could just see it from the outside because I certainly could growing up. I could see people following their parents into jobs just because it was their parents. But it was so not them.
Danny Flood [7:42]
Yeah. Yeah, it’s and that’s, that’s exactly you’re describing me. Exactly. So you talked about appear good. I could tell you about myself, David, because the closest person in my life was my father. You know, and he loved me a lot, but he was very is definitely moulded me into a version of himself. And when I was A child, you know, people would say, Oh, that’s Jim floods son, you know, and he looks just like you are stuff like this and say, I don’t want to be Jim klutz, and I want to be Danny flood because that’s who I am. You know, and I really, and my father was this, this former army captain, you know, he was an entrepreneur who started three businesses, he was obsessed with golf. You know, I like golf, but I’m not passionate about it, like he was, you know, and he’s always making me do all these rules, like, you know, no TV before five. Every morning, I do push ups and pull ups and do all this stuff. And you know, he had all these these things on my wall, like, what it takes to be number one, it was like an old article series, and it’ll be Earl morale and Vince Lombardi articles and stuff in there, and he’s like, trying to programme me to be this this winner in life. And, you know, I’m really grateful for that. But at the same time, I was I was a little bit resentful, and, you know, it’s when he he passed away two years ago, or three years ago, two and a half years ago. You know, it was really, really hard for me and I felt like one chapter My life is over, but at the same time I realised that you know, I really am on my own so
David Ralph [9:03]
so so did he give you a gift when Danny that kind of focusing in on something that isn’t really you but you were still willing to do it? Is that a gift? Or is that something that actually anchors you to a position you don’t want to be in?
Danny Flood [9:19]
He didn’t leave me with a lot of gifts you know? I’m really thankful for the lessons that he left me with you know, because I implement them daily in my life you know, he told me things like you know, winners never quit kill your enemies with kindness you know, Today’s the first day the rest your life cream rises to the top, you know, he was he was instilling in me this desire to to never give up. And I feel like it’s been very instrumental in my success because, you know, I’ve been experimenting with a lot of different things to try to figure out, you know, what’s my place in the world and I’ve been trying one thing after another, it doesn’t always work out. You know, sometimes you encounter rejection and failure. But, but just being able to To deal with it and you know, come up cheerful about it, you know, even if you lose and just have a winning positive attitude has served me really well and a lot of what I’ve been focused on as an entrepreneur and I really think it starts with your mind. And so I’ve been really focused on how to sculpt the mind and rewire the mind so that you know, I can I can face adversity, but also face success and, and face both fear of failure and fear of success, which is, in my opinion, just as powerful, maybe even more powerful than fear failure.
Unknown Speaker [10:30]
So if you listen to
David Ralph [10:32]
yesterday’s episode, Danny, there was a gentleman on Valentine’s Day and called Mike ferry, and he’s a teacher in Virginia. And he is a history teacher, but he’s also trying to teach the kids to focus in on happiness, because he believes but by being happy, that is the starting point to success, where so many people think that you’re going to find success and then become happy. So he thinks it’s a real mindset. You got to start at the very beginning. So Have you always been a happy Guy cuz you’ve got big beaming smile in all the pictures, I look at you, but then you are sort of up to your neck in water in a tropical island. So it looks like you’re gonna be happy. So Have you always been one of those kind of little kids that’s always been sort of pretty much grooving around on his own, enjoying life.
Danny Flood [11:19]
You know, David, it’s, it’s, it’s a complicated question, because, you know, I struggled with depression up until about age 25 or 26. Because, you know, I had this positive attitude, but sometimes, you know, reality was kind of like kicking me in the face. You know, so for instance, when I, when I became a young man, and I was out on my own at college, you know, just I graduated the middle of the recession. I’m 29. Now, but at that point, I was I was always kind of comparing myself to other people, and I felt like I was not successful and I felt this enormous pressure on myself to have all these things and do all these things that everything was telling me so I was really trying to Be happy, but I couldn’t really come into my own way, at least not at first. But
David Ralph [12:06]
the real young version of you so I can understand. But when you’ve got comparisons and you’ve got expectations and you’ve got a path that you see other people living, but when you were like the sort of the 78 and the nine year old Danny basically as we all do it as kids, we live our lives we get on our bikes, and we ride around. What’s that happy version wasn’t happy version when you didn’t have you know, anything to strive for such.
Danny Flood [12:31]
Yeah, I think so. But, you know, my father was really competitive. So I was I was really a competitive person, always striving to win and finish first. So, you know, I did, I was happy I had a great childhood. But you know, my father he taught trained me to be an entrepreneur at age nine. So, and you know, and when we went to soccer games and baseball games, you know, I was had to be on the MVP team. I was had to he was trying to get You know, when the golf tournaments I played in, you know, and it was it was a lot of pressure for sure. So, you know, I was definitely happy but I didn’t feel like I was living my own life, I was just kind of
going along with the motions of that, if that makes sense.
David Ralph [13:15]
It makes total sense. And so when you started coming to watch you and you suddenly started realising that the path was very in front of you, and more often than not, it’s a creeping realisation, it seems to me from reading about you, and I’ve read a lot about you. But it was almost when you started to go against those expectations and those comparisons and you started to pretty much enjoy yourself. That’s when it started to come together for you. Would that would that be true?
Danny Flood [13:45]
Yeah, exactly. I think when you put too much pressure on yourself, you feel a success, excuse me, this pressure to succeed at all costs, and you know, it can really throw you out of whack. And there’s there’s all these things that all these inner demons That you have to wrestle with, you know, and we make up excuses for why we’re not feeling adequate, I suppose. And so I had lots of alibis. I was afraid of doing things, I was afraid of trying things get to the point where, you know, if you want to create something, if you want to write a book, you’re afraid that, you know, what if I fail, and you really got to get over that, and you got to stop trying to be the best because if you rely so much on your own talent, I was reading this article the other day, where Google, they they’re not interested in hiring college graduates anymore. They want to hire people who are humble and who can continue to grow and continue to realise that, you know, maybe someone else is better than me, and I can learn something from them. So, you know, really, I guess, sorry, I guess I’m rambling a little bit. That’s, you know, I have like, sort of, I think a lot of us have secret excuses that are holding us back like alibis. You know, and we have like a secret excuse that we carry around like lack of money, lack of time, lack of energy. Fear of failure, fear of ridicule, fear of rejection, fear of social isolation. And so I think a lot of these are really holding us back from from getting where we want to be. And I think I’ve deviated from the original question.
David Ralph [15:12]
No, I think you you bled us into an amazing area, really bad doodle that are literally one of the best companies on earth and by faith dominate. And once you get into Google, and you really it blows your mind what they’re getting up to. And the fact that they’re now looking for people that are, are humble, that just means that they realise the strength is when somebody becomes aware of what they don’t know, more than what they can bring to the table. That’s the people that are willing to actually look around and learn and become better versions of themselves that they’re spot on.
Danny Flood [15:48]
Exactly. And I can kind of sum that all up with an analogy, David, so my book is all about you know, personal transformation and helping people to become their best selves and do be and go what they want. In life, I think we live in an incredible age where opportunities are endless, but sometimes people need someone who has a little bit more experience who’s maybe you know, 510 years ahead of them who has done this stuff to kind of show them how. And the analogy that I’m getting to is, I think life is a little bit like judo. Alright, not so Judo jujitsu. So Jiu Jitsu. It’s not always the strongest or the toughest or the most aggressive person who wins. It’s the person who stays humble. And the way you advance is by literally getting thrown around. So you come in and you think you’re going to kick someone’s ass and, and then there’s someone who’s more experienced kind of just tosses you around, and then you’re like, oh, shoot, I still have so much to learn. And so the only way to you keep getting thrown around and keep getting beaten up. And then you advance to a higher belt. And so the person who keeps advancing is someone who knows where they’re at, is humble and willing to learn from those who are more experienced in them. And the only way that you can advance is by continually getting kicked around and thrown around and just losing again and again. But But being comfortable You’re your failures and your victories as well and learned from the book.
David Ralph [17:04]
But but there’s a strong metaphor for why people don’t actually try the things you’re talking about the fact that, you know, the listeners out there, they’re in a crappy job, they’re in a crappy situation. And they they’re wanting more, but now I’m willing to give it a go. the fault of going, right, okay, give it a go. And you’re going to get beaten up every day for about six months, it’s going to stop people wanting to do it, isn’t it? It is a mindset that you’ve got to have right from the very beginning that says, Look, it’s not all going to be roses. It’s not all going to be the quick route. It’s going to be successes and failures, and I will get beaten up time and time again. Is it? Is that the key message?
Danny Flood [17:43]
You know, I think we all need positive reinforcement to continue. So for example, let’s say you want to learn Chinese. I’ve broken this down into you know how to make language learning simple, I think. I think we make it too difficult on ourselves at the get go. So So Chinese can seem like an insurmountable obstacle. And I think the problem is that people start, the first thing you learn when you learn Chinese is tones. And so tones are very kind of complicated and complex for speakers like us English speakers, because we’re not familiar with it. And another example is like Kenyan, so pinion is the Chinese phonetic version, to make it look with look like English, but it doesn’t. It’s not pronounced exactly the way we use English. So what I when I tell people like, you know, my guide to learning Chinese for Mandarin, for example, you have to translate it into terms that are easy to understand, and you need to start there. And you need to learn some of the basic phrases. And once once you’re able to learn that and you’re able to kind of start communicating with people, that’s that’s rewarding. And when you have these, these rewards, they kind of pile up and they encourage you to continue. And so I think if there’s something you want to do, don’t start by trying to reach expert status right away. Break it down into small chunks that are easy to digest where you’re at. So for example, as a native English speaker, you know, if you’re trying to tackle on tones, tackle, tackle tones and pinion read from the beginning, it’s going to be very, very hard. But if you want to learn a language and you apply other things that are easier, you can make progress much faster. And really the biggest obstacle is ourselves and our own internal resistance. So if we feel like something’s too difficult, or too insurmountable, like Mandarin Chinese, then we’re not even going to attempt it. We’re gonna say, you know, I can’t do this. And I think when we fit when we reset point where we say that we can’t do this, that’s that’s when failure truly occurs. Because once once we have that thought, we’re going to pile on other thoughts that reinforce that belief. And so we need to kind of create the belief that we can do it and then begin to reinforce that thought by piling on more thoughts, because I think a lot of people spend their days where their thoughts are kind of running on autopilot. So if we have one negative thought, a bunch of other thoughts, kind of pylon to that. And then reinforce this notion we become depressed. And so when our thoughts kind of we spend, we spend our days kind of letting our thoughts run out of control, or we kind of run on autopilot. And so it really comes down to first we have to identify how this process works, and then work to reinforce the thoughts that we want to have that get us in the direction that we want to go in.
David Ralph [20:21]
Well, let’s play some words that really sort of take us on to the next part of our conversation. And these were said about last year by a Hollywood a Lister, Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey [20:30]
My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [20:57]
So that’s a key statement to your life, isn’t it? It seems to me that it all came together when you decided that you might as well take a chance on not doing what other people want you to do, but doing what you know, you will love. Did you see the similarities with that and yourself?
Danny Flood [21:13]
Yeah, absolutely. I think part of the problem was I was, you know, comparing myself to others, and that was constantly making me unhappy. And I really had to dig deep and decide what is it that I really want to do? And it was a really tough process, David, I mean, I everything in me said that this is wrong, you know, and I was feeling all this resistance. But, you know, I felt like I had to do it. I had to push through that. And
that uncomfortable feeling
David Ralph [21:40]
is a key point to life, generally, from your experience now, because you’ve seen, you know, you’re doing something you’re rocking and rolling. You’re loving what you’re doing at the moment, but you’ve been through this journey of successes and failures and we’re going to touch on why you nearly died several times in pursuit of your dreams. Because that that is so many stories are going to come out there. But is that Something that really we need to get to the kids younger to say to them, Look, you can have a life that you love. You don’t actually have to buy into this myth that has been created over generations and generations and generations where you’ve got to be serious, you’ve got to get a job. Is it time for us to literally say to the world, you can have your cake and eat it, if you’re willing to put in the effort to make that cake and take it where you want it to be?
Unknown Speaker [22:28]
David Ralph [22:30]
That was a very short answer to a very passionate, passionate man, Danny, so so so let’s get into that died several times in pursuit of your dreams when because not many people would go that far in a pursuit of their dreams to nearly die. So give us an example of those. Were they something that you look back on there? And you go, I was just being stupid, or were they something that you think No, actually, I could have only got to where I want you to be by overcoming these.
Danny Flood [22:58]
Well, you know, David, I think that When you look back, sometimes the worst experiences make the best stories, I think, you know, when I, when I first, you know, started out on this path and you know, trying to tackle these things that I really wanted, I wanted to travel around South America, and I did that, you know, for four months. But I was just sitting around and I was thinking about it was pondering it. And I was worried about all these irrational fears that could happen. You know, like, what if I,
what if I get robbed or raped and robbed, robbed or mugged? Or?
David Ralph [23:33]
It sounds horrific.
Danny Flood [23:36]
You know, what if I don’t like the food or something I get I start, you know, I had all these ridiculous fears. And I think what’s really empowering is if, if you’ve been through that if you’ve experienced something that’s bad or you let something bad happen, I think you’ve learned a very, very valuable lesson. So I think if you you realise that, you know, things that could happen are not as As bad as the fear of what could happen, so, you know, I’ve had I’ve lost iPhone, iPhone, my iPhone stolen in Brazil, I’ve lost an iPad in Tokyo. You know, I have my wallet stolen in Vietnam. I mean, I’ve had things taken from me. But you know, life goes on and I’ve realised it’s not that big a deal. I mean, my life continues and you can work it out, and all that stuff. It’s just stuff, you know, and it’s just not that important to me anymore. And I’ve realised that there are other things that are more important as far as near death experiences.
Unknown Speaker [24:30]
Yeah, I’ve had a couple of them.
Danny Flood [24:32]
One One was falling from a bridge in Malaysia. I did a motorcycle ride across Vietnam and almost
Unknown Speaker [24:41]
almost crashed one point.
Danny Flood [24:45]
And yeah, we could talk about those and what I’ve learned, but it’s up to you.
David Ralph [24:49]
Yeah, but but now carry on with that story. So you won this motorbike and you’re going through Vietnam and as he was saying that I was thinking about the BBC TV programme Top Gear, who went through the mo I don’t know if you’ve seen that episode, but how they literally were just plummeted from from the heaviest rainfall you could ever see. And it was, it was an experience of highs and lows dramatic scenery of beauty, but also just misery and it was turgid driving along and it’s pouring rain and stuff. So was that something that you felt that you needed to do was? Was it the adventure of actually getting on a motorbike and driving into the unknown? Or was it the fact that you had a passion to see the country?
Danny Flood [25:32]
It was just, yeah, I was driven by freedom, this quest for freedom and nothing was more freeing than just being able to travel this country and it took about a month and a half for the trip and total. And, you know, I just felt completely free. I was able to do what I wanted to do and nothing could compare to that experience. And like you said, I mean, the scenery was gorgeous. We I was trained by French travel mate who also bought his own motorbike and we were just travelling along the the mountains up near Laos, along the border with Laos. And, you know, every, every 20 metres or so there’s like another waterfall just cascading down the cliffs here. And you know, there was no other people within 1000 midnight, thousands, hundreds of miles, you know, and it’s just just fantastic this gorgeous scenery. And when I had this, I nearly had this accident, we you know, first of all, we were going through these mountains then we’d be like, herds of cows that would suddenly be on the road and we’re just like, you know, trying to steer around them, you know, it’s probably really dangerous trip and everyone told us we shouldn’t do it, you know, there’s no telling what would happen. And then it was on the very last day of this trip when I was coming back from Halong Bay, which is where all those limestone limestone cliffs are. This this truck suddenly just come in the other direction tried to swerve in front of me and turn and I was going too fast. I couldn’t avoid him. I just kind of like, sort of awkwardly steered the the bike one way and I had to jump from the bike, you know, and I just kind of like rolled a little bit. And, you know, they were really apologetic and they felt like some bandages for me and stuff. And I was really shaken up. I was kind of like, scarred a little bit. Not scarred, but like really bruised up and, and it was weird. Like, I felt, I felt really low. But at the same time, I could hear my father’s voice, which is kind of, I don’t know, kind of weird. And he’s like, he’s like, he’s like, kind of laugh there with me kind of laughing along and saying it, ain’t this the ships or something like that, like, and he’s like, you know, don’t worry about it, buddy. You know, just just pick yourself up, you’re going to be all right. And just, you know, he was there with me just kind of sharing an experience. And it was pretty powerful because he you know, he passed away on my 27th birthday. And this was like,
Unknown Speaker [27:49]
six months after that. He gave his freedom,
David Ralph [27:54]
a key word to you if I asked and I’m not going to but if I asked you to sort of choose maybe three or four words That really apply to you would freedom be one of those in there? Because it seems to me that there’s a spirit about you that means that you’re never going to be living in suburbia, you’re always going to be doing things your way and being quite disconnected in somehow from from what people expect of you.
Danny Flood [28:20]
Yeah, absolutely. Freedom has been what’s been driving me and I’ve always felt like a rebel. I’ve always felt like an outcast from normal conventional society. And just when I realised that I could be an adult, and I could have this freedom, I could have my cake and eat it too, to me was very liberating. So if there’s anyone who’s listening to this, who feels like they, like their Dharma is out of sync, that they’re out of alignment, that they’re not feeling like they’re living true to their core values, then, you know, I just want to give you an encouragement. I’m a living example that you can have it
David Ralph [28:50]
on the living in. Yeah, I’m on that as well. And the fact that freedom has always been my thing. It’s always been I’ve always felt like if I was staying You want a mountain or a hill? I’d love to know what was over the episode of Hill. And you know, there was always that feeling or could only escape from my responsibilities. And you ever met that? For Danny where you kind of go if I disappeared now, how long would it be before they found me if I started taking money out secretly from from an ATM over a period of time, so I’ve got a lot of cash. Could I get to somewhere without them knowing me through borders and stuff? Do you do you ever have that feeling of escapism and just disappearing?
Danny Flood [29:37]
Do I kind of but at the same time, I don’t really feel like I’m running away from something if that’s what you mean,
David Ralph [29:44]
running away. It’s just the challenge of seeing if you can escape because I feel that all the time every time I go to an ATM and I take money out there’s this thing in me that I think can I just disappear here good, am I good? I just you know and then turn up again later. God let you had no idea where I was. And then A big part of my spirit. There’s a big part of my personality that craves for that unexpected adventure, just doing something off the cuff because it’s something I want to do. And I’m just interested to see if you’re the same.
Danny Flood [30:14]
Well, David, I feel like anytime you feel like you have to escape, and there’s something that’s not right in your life, something is out of sync. And you really have to do some introspection, some meditation, find out why you feel like you have have to escape. Is it your work that’s causing you that way? causing you to feel that way? And the way I feel it, what I’m doing and the way I live my life, and the way I do my work is that I’m not running away from that I’m running to life, if that makes sense. Hmm.
David Ralph [30:43]
And with open world, your, your, your online platform, is that a place where you can run to and you feel that it’s all coming together? It’s your identity, but it gives you the flexibility of being who you want to be as well.
Danny Flood [30:58]
Well, yeah, you know, David, I don’t think about this a lot. Open World is not the company that funded my adventures. It was a different company. It was a marketing company. I wasn’t really passionate about that work. But you know, I’ve been thinking about this a lot, because did I still have, you know, good days, and I still have bad days where I feel, you know, like, things aren’t working out, and I’m not getting anywhere. And when I think that goals, you know, I’m a big person on goals, but I think goals can become a tenant fade. And I think it’s really your vision and your mission that stays and that’s what really kind of sustains you and keeps you going. So on the days when I’m feeling down when you know, something doesn’t work out, I get rejected, I can feed off this this mission that I have and I think with my work what I’m doing now, I think that really feels like it’s it’s my purpose right now.
David Ralph [31:46]
And so, what is your vision the mission so so the listeners out there, obviously we’ve spoken about your life leading up to it, but what is your core vision?
Danny Flood [31:55]
Well, David, I’ve kind of been through this. You know, I’ve been through the I’ve gone through the tunnel I’ve seen the light of the other side and I’m just kind of coming back and helping to inspire people to kind of follow on this path because I don’t I don’t feel like I’m escaped from anything. I think that the way I’m living my life the way that this is all developing, I think it’s just growing I think it’s going to continue to grow and you know, just before this interview at right here, it’s 5:44pm right now for 51 I just got a message on Facebook that said, Danny your book just made me buy a one way ticket to Bali. Yeah, and you know, I look on the reviews that people have written and just just what people have said, and you know, someone else said they I inspired them to open their own jewellery business online, e commerce, jewellery business, and they’re living on a tropical island. So, you know, I feel like this, this is really what I want to do, because this is the book that I wish that I had had when I was 22 or 23. And I was coming out of college and trying to figure out my life and I felt like I was alone. And you know, and I looked at like that to have to work in a cubicle now and I felt really depressed because there were no good jobs. And, you know, whenever I applied to a job, I was had this feeling like it was kind of below me, like a little bit beneath my qualifications and, and so I wasn’t really even excited to to apply to these jobs. And, you know, of course, they didn’t even hear back from me. So I, you know, you use those and you use these experiences as reference experiences to kind of gauge where you’re at, and your self worth your feeling of software. So my feeling of self worth was very low. And then so what helped me get over my depression and stuff is that I collected enough reference experiences that told me, You know, I am more than than what the world is telling me. And I can do more I can I can, I’m capable of more I can accomplish more, and you connect, collect enough of these reference experiences and they kind of give you a better window into who you are a better picture in the mirror. I think
David Ralph [33:57]
so. So let’s bring your book into the comments. You’ve got the book by your own island calm, and people can go over to the show links and download a free gift from you, which is the audio version of that book. Where did the idea come from? Because it is it’s one of those phrases, isn’t it? If you win the lottery, what you’re gonna do, you’re gonna buy your own island and you’re going to sit there drinking two litres every day. But the reality is very different from buying your own island and I’ve spoken to quite a few people have actually bought their own island now. And it’s not as glamorous as it sounds, to be honest, it’s all right. But it’s it’s, it’s nicer to be in the comfort of your own home with Netflix and all that kind of stuff. I’m sitting on an island. So what can I get from by your own island?
Danny Flood [34:43]
Well, by your own island, as far as the title is concerned, it’s a metaphor. So an island is kind of like the ultimate symbol of freedom and independence. And they inspire inspiration for that title and the story behind it is read a story about Tynan who’s also known as the character herbal from the game, he had this childhood dream of owning his own island. And he was able to put together a deal with a few friends and buy one through Canadian version of Craigslist for less than $100,000. And the lesson of that story is that when he says that, you know, huge, lifelong dreams can become practical and made to happen within a matter of weeks. And sometimes it’s just a matter of thinking outside of the box, doing a little research, rather than just simply assuming that it’s impossible or impractical. Because most of us, we see people that we admire, we see people that are doing these incredible things, or maybe we don’t have enough role models, but it just seems like oh, I could never do that. And so I really want to shake people up and kind of get them out of that feeling that they can’t do that and that and tell them you know, you really can change and this is the blueprint, how to do it. And you can have whatever it is you dream of having you know when we were children, you know people asked us, what do you want to be when you grow up and we say I want to be a pilot, or I want to be an astronaut or I want to be a basketball player. You know, and somehow the way we’re, course of our adult lives is really deviated very far from that. I want to pull people back and say, you know, you can have this you can live the life that you envisioned, and this is this book is my earnest attempt at showing people how to do that.
David Ralph [36:25]
But I think he’s It is a great book and obviously, listeners go over because the message in it is so Join Up Dots. It’s untrue. It’s so the fact that, you know, as Danny was saying, when you were a kid, people say what you want to be a princess and astronaut and all these amazing things and you never fought yourself. It was stupid, wanting to be a princess, you just thought it was going to happen. But now when you get into the older life, then that’s when you go, I’m going to be an insurance agent. I’m going to be a banker. And I the goals that you would have had as a kid or and I just realism, la the ones that people have told you to have or later ones that you really want. And more often than not, certainly for my case, looking at it from the outsider’s point of view now, I see that every single person on Join Up Dots, and this is episode 293. I’ve all got to that point where they’ve said no more. There’s no more living other people’s lives. There’s no more doing jobs about I’m not happy with whether I’m going to sink and swim. I’m going to give it a go just like Jim Carrey said. And so go over and get by your own island because it’s, it’s real. It is a metaphor for taking action. And you can break down anything into actionable goals and I’m gonna play some words about now. This is Oprah Winfrey. And she says this brilliantly when you’re thinking about actually the big dream and it’s too big for your brain to comprehend. This is what she says you should do.
Oprah Winfrey [37:48]
The way through the challenge is to get still and ask yourself what is the next right move? not think about Oh, I got all of this stuff. What is the next right move? And then from that space, make the next right move, and the next right move, and not to be overwhelmed by it. Because you know, your life is bigger than that one moment, you know, you’re not defined by what somebody says, is a failure for you, because failure is just there to point you in a different direction.
David Ralph [38:20]
Do you see that? Danny? He’s failure. Just bear to point you in the right direction.
Danny Flood [38:26]
Yeah, absolutely. And I think that don’t take failure personally. And if I could just add one thing to that you go for it? Yeah, I think I think success is even more terrifying than failure. Gave it
David Ralph [38:40]
and do it your man tell you why. Well, no, you tell me why. And I’m gonna tell you why I totally agree with you afterwards.
Danny Flood [38:47]
Well, because I think when we fail, you know, when we lose at something, suddenly all of our friends come out and they say, Hey, you know, it’s all right. You know, pick yourself up, they kind of come and comfort us. But when When you succeed, you know, there’s a saying that success is lonely or it’s lonely at the top. And I totally agree that it is it is lonely. It’s very fearful. Like if, you know, when I published this book I was, I thought that it was going to be this huge thing off my chest. But it was even worse, because I had all this stress that I have to promote it. And I’ve been up every day, you know, 3am trying to put the word out. And you know, successes is even more scarier, because you really have to kind of rely on a lot of people in order to succeed. And so, you know, I think that success like they say, success is lonely. I feel like there’s a lot of pressure from our peers, to kind of be realistic and, you know, live within our means. And when you kind of come out and say, No, I don’t want to do that. I want to I want to do more I want to reach higher than than any of us have ever dreamed. I think that’s a lot of people you feel like, you know, people don’t really expect that they want you to come back down to their level. And so it It’s something that I’ve had to deal with constantly.
David Ralph [40:03]
I, when I started the show, it wasn’t expected to be the success, but it is now. And I was kind of happy with that it was almost like a hobby. And I could do a show. And if somebody would come on there and talk to me, then that was great. But then it got to a point where suddenly I realised I was being noticed. And that to me was the scary moment. That was the moment when I thought, I’ve got to actually justify this. I’ve got to keep going with this. I’ve got to find guests every single day. I’ve got to up level everything because this is what people are looking at now. And I agree with that totally. When you are successful. That is the start of the real hard work. getting to that point is almost easy looking back on it. But once you get to that point, and you think right, I’m playing with the big boys now. This is when it gets serious. That was a moment where I sat on my sofa one afternoon thinking, am I up for the fire? Am I ready to do this? Or was it just a dream that I thought would be easier than it is? But I think once you proceed through that, and you realise, yes, you have got that fighting you, then that’s when it really becomes fun and interesting, do you, Danny?
Danny Flood [41:08]
Yeah. And I think that the more successful you are, the more terrifying it gets. So it’s never this, this place where you arrive that you’re suddenly successful, because you’re always like Oprah Winfrey said, you know, you keep trying more and more, and you want the next thing you do to be even greater than what you’ve already done. And I’ve heard this, this quote, recently, that perfectionism is the unwillingness to be vulnerable. And I think that the more you put yourself out there, the more you create art or books or start a business, the more you put yourself out there, the more vulnerable you become. And so if you do more, you become more vulnerable and the fear never actually goes away, it becomes greater becomes a multiplier. And so when when you’re vulnerable, and you can accept that you’re vulnerable and that people might come out and criticise you or you know People might not like your work, the more vulnerable you become, the more self confidence you develop, the more courage you have to continue on your path. And to keep going, and to keep striving and just live the life of your dreams and do whatever it is you really want to do.
David Ralph [42:16]
The key thing, though, as opposed to all these conversations is getting to that point when you start to find your path. And as we see time and time again, once you start taking action, you take a certain amount of action, and then you start to think, Oh, this isn’t really what I wanted. Yeah, I did think I wanted to buy my own island, but actually now I’ve been working towards it. I don’t actually want my island, I want something else. And that’s the problem, isn’t it? People think that they need to have that passion. And that goal right at the beginning, when more often than not that goal comes along the journey. And it’s more often than not, it’s not even a goal that you would have perceived to begin with. It was like Google was saying, you become aware that there’s opportunities you be aware of What you don’t know? And somewhere in those holes of what you don’t know, is more often not the thing that you should be doing.
Danny Flood [43:07]
Yeah, exactly. So I mean, we chase after external things, and that can be different for each person. But the real gift that you get in this journey is internal, I think. So in my case, you know, I was chasing after goals that were physical, it’s like, you know, climbing this mountain or crossing this country on a motorcycle, and, you know, I was chasing after pleasure and what I was passionate about, I did Tango dancing in Argentina. I did I was a white TIE fighter in Thailand. But the thing that’s even at the next level is your your purpose and your general satisfaction. And, you know, Tony Shay calls us the three P’s. Pleasure, passion and purpose. And so the purpose is the hardest to discover. But it’s the one that provides the most lasting satisfaction in your life. And I think the real the real reward of The journey is internal and how it moulds you as a person. So if you want to, you’re passionate about something, you want to go have fun, by all means go have it, go, go buy that island. But if you find that it’s not what you expect it to be, don’t worry too much. Because once once you’ve hit that peak, you know, you haven’t lost anything. You’ve you’ve proven to yourself that you have achieved this, you’ve bought this island, you’ve achieved your highest dream goal. That’s something to build on. You know, that’s, that’s, that’s a pillar that you can stand on as a pillar that that builds your self confidence that builds your capacity to do more to, to live more to to love more. And, you know, use that as your strength to, to live a life that’s more meaningful to you and to those you care about.
David Ralph [44:52]
There’s a lot of similarities between your story and Tim Ferriss. When you’re saying things that you were doing like Tango dancing in Argentina, and learning how to sort of break down languages to sort of speed through. Is he somebody that you are inspired by somebody that you’re aware of? Oh, because I know a lot of the things that you’ve said, I thought to myself, Oh, yeah, I remember him saying that he’s done that.
Danny Flood [45:17]
Yeah. So I think earlier in this call, I said, you know, you can look to people who are five to 10 years ahead of you, and model them. And I think that Tim Ferriss was absolutely someone who I felt was, you know, five years ahead of me 10 years ahead of me several years ago. And so, you know, I really took the lessons that he taught me and applied them literally, you know, so, there’s an exercise in that book called dream money. Where, yeah, so So, you know, basically the first time I read the four hour workweek, I kind of read over this concept of reminding, and, you know, okay, that was interesting, but I didn’t actually act on it. So I came back to that, that specific exercise and I got four of my friends, three of my friends together in a coffee shop and I said, you know, Let’s all do this exercise together. Because if we’re not, if we don’t keep each other accountable, then we’re never going to do this. We’re just going to keep spinning the wheels. And so you know, we all just kind of wrote down what our life craziest lifelong goals were, that we wanted to achieve within the next three to six months. And so like, you know, if there’s someone who’s been there that’s already been there that’s already experienced this, and they give you advice, and you respect them. take that advice, and just Just do it. Don’t don’t, you don’t have to question it, just do it. But then once you do it, you’re going to learn things, you’re going to have your own experiences, and you’re going to find things that are more authentic to you. And I think that’s what I’ve kind of gone through myself.
David Ralph [46:37]
I think that is the goal of the episode. I think, if anybody wants to do something, vain, look at somebody who is ahead of the curve, and look at what they’re doing. And that’s what I did with this show that there’s I’m not getting away from the fact that I was inspired by certain people that were doing a seven day a week show, and I thought to myself, I’m going to do a seven day a week show wouldn’t have thought that if I hadn’t know, I probably would have seen what they were doing and gone. That’s what you have to do. That’s, you know that that’s, that’s the norm. I’m going to go with a two days a week, I’m gonna go three days a week. But if you look at that success, not only does it inspire you to do that there’s a belief mechanism isn’t it is a belief because they’ve already done it. You set off on that path kind of almost knowing but you’re, you’ve got a fair chance of achieving what they’ve done because they’ve done it as
Unknown Speaker [47:27]
Danny Flood [47:30]
Yeah, exactly. And there was, I don’t know the exact story to tell, but there was a guy who broke the five minute mile record. And it took a really long time before anyone did that. But but once he did that, and several other people followed him immediately after, who also broke the five minute mile record as well. So once once one person does something, then the rest of you know other people follow and that inspires other people that do more to achieve more. And there’s also a concept that I talked about And the book which is called, I think it’s very, very important. It’s habit gravity and escape velocity. So a rocket ship spends, I think, 80 to 90% of its energy, simply an initial takeoff. Simply the defying gravity is the hardest part of the flight, just from the very beginning. And so I think that analogy also applies to us when we’re trying to do something difficult or challenging. The hardest part is just just getting that initial liftoff. Once we all get that, that get in motion, and once we kind of get that, that defy gravity and kind of build that momentum, it becomes easier and easier and easier, and we can soar even higher and higher and higher. And so if you feel like this, this overwhelming resistance, to change or to to pursuing your goal, you have to say, okay, that’s just escape velocity, and you really got to pour everything you have into overcoming that and if it’s really difficult I have a comment. I just dropped a clue. Two minutes ago when I said, I got together, three of my friends who we all supported each other and kept each other accountable. I think that’s really important if you can get people who share your vision and who kind of shares your similar belief system that can really help you overcome that resistance.
David Ralph [49:20]
It’s so true what you’re saying, because when I started this show, it literally killed me, I’ll be honest, it was like, hour upon hour upon hour, because every single element of creating a show, I had to learn from scratch, and I had the passion to do it. So I forced myself through. And I literally was doing seven hours. If you listen to the early shows, quite often, I’ll be going, Oh, I look terrible. I was doing seven hours, seven days a week, literally 20 hours a day, just trying to get it off the ground, to use that metaphor, but now I was saying to the wife yesterday, I was saying it’s amazing, isn’t it? I can do the whole show in two days. I’ve got five days off to do what I want and it’s only because of effort to get it off the ground. But now it’s it’s being pulled by its own gravity somehow.
Danny Flood [50:06]
Yeah, exactly. Because you you have that experience and you’ve built up that momentum. I mean, you you roll up your sleeves and you learned everything you had to do to make your podcast successful. And the more you did it, the easier it became. And, and now you get to the point where you can enjoy it, you can take several days off. And that’s exactly the way it was with my own business. The first year, I didn’t make any money in the second year, I was still struggling. But in years, four and five, I was working 10 hours a week, I had, you know, reduce my client base to just my best clients. And I was able to do whatever the heck I wanted. I had enough money I could travel around the world. And I think a big part of it is have you read the book blink by Malcolm Gladwell. No, I haven’t actually.
David Ralph [50:47]
I’ve read most of these outliers and stuff. He was one of these, wasn’t it?
Danny Flood [50:53]
Yeah, so basically, there’s there’s several schools of thought on this. There’s also the Power of Habit. There’s a concept called thin slicing, where you’re able to make good decisions very quickly, but only if you have a lot of experience in that area. So if you’re an expert in something, you know, you don’t really have to do a lot of research, you can make great decisions, the call that calls that in slicing.
So it’s kind of a bit about mastery. So if you really want to,
you know, if you want to have a good life, you really have to kind of put in the work and get the experience first, roll up your sleeves and really do what it takes, and have confidence that it’s going to become easier. The more you more experienced in the more knowledge you acquire.
David Ralph [51:42]
But let’s play some words now and then a theme of the whole show and it’s the reason why we called it Join Up Dots and this is the late Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [51:50]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college, but it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later, again, You can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny life karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path and that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [52:25]
Do you point to those words Danny now you look back over your life
Danny Flood [52:30]
Yeah, absolutely. And I think he continues that
that speech by saying
remembering that you’re going to die is the best way to forget that you have something to lose. He says that you’re already naked there’s no reason to follow your heart. I’m sure
David Ralph [52:46]
you know that quote as well. Oh, absolutely. BB young and foolish.
Unknown Speaker [52:50]
David Ralph [52:52]
So do you have a big dotting your life when you when you look back on the Join Up Dots timeline. Is there one that you kind of go Yeah, really I think that was when it started to change. For me, that’s when I was born somehow.
Danny Flood [53:07]
Yeah, absolutely, I have several of those dots.
As far as my business is concerned, I had all of these affirmations and you know, goals on my wall. As far as my business was concerned, I was chasing after these income goals that I could never seem to reach. And I realised that they were very arbitrary, and not really well thought out. And once I realised, you know, I stepped back and kind of said, I want to do some things differently. I want to say, you know, at 20 you know, I was chasing after too many leads too many new clients, and I felt like I was wasting my time I was working, you know, 14 hours a day, and just really unhappy and I didn’t know why I was doing it. And so, you know, I was working one day at Starbucks on Christmas Day, and the barista came to me just said, Why are you working on Christmas and I said, Why? Are you working in the Christmas? And, you know, as a good comeback, for sure. It felt like, you know, I had no reason to be there, except that I was locked, I was trapped on my business. And the real breakthrough kind of came out when I stepped back and said, Look, I don’t need to do all of this, I’m trying too much. And so I took a month and I went to Mexico actually done it for two months, just just as an experiment. And I could see that, you know, everything was still running, my life was still running and everything was going fine. But I felt like if I, if I broke free from my main routine, you know, things might fall apart. So I thought, well, you know, at least it’s it’s a two hour drive, I can drive back if need be and fix things. But I think I really had to break free from that routine of trying to do what everybody else is doing and try to create like a million dollar a year business. You know, I felt like I was I was had way too much pressure and I wasn’t being treated myself.
David Ralph [54:56]
Well, let’s send you back in time. Now, this is the end of the show. And this is the part that we called a sermon on the mic when we send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young Danny, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give? Well, we’re gonna find out because I’m gonna play the theme tune and when it fades, Europe, this is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [55:20]
Here we go with the best
Unknown Speaker [55:29]
Danny Flood [55:38]
Yeah, so if I was to go back and speak to my younger self, hopefully he would listen to me because he kind of rejected authority. But that’s that’s kind of what I would tell him is, is don’t listen too much to others and just kind of be true to yourself. stop comparing yourself to others because it’s going to make you unhappy and don’t put too much pressure on you. yourself. Don’t feel like you are somehow flawed or, or broken because other people are better than you at something. Don’t compare yourself to them. Learn from them and compare yourself to yourself, be the best version of yourself. And don’t be envious of other people. support them and try to do your best to learn from them and model them as best as you can. And become comfortable with losing. You know, don’t don’t be afraid of losing. Get out there and take the blows. get beat up. And you’ll you’ll discover this strength inside of you that you never knew existed.
David Ralph [56:38]
Danny, how can our audience to connect with you sir?
Danny Flood [56:43]
Yes, so I have a blog and a podcast at open world mag calm with a lot of great articles and resources. You can also check out the book search on amazon.com by your own island we often do promotions for the book You can also get the audio book at buy your own island
David Ralph [57:03]
calm. We will have all the links on the show notes. Danny, thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining up those dots and please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our paths is the best way to build our futures. Danny flood Thank you so much.
Danny Flood [57:21]
Thank you so much, David, and thank you to the listener. I hope you enjoyed the interview.
Unknown Speaker [57:26]
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