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Introducing Carey Green
Carey Green is todays guest on the Join Up Dots podcast, who is a man with huge faith in his religion and also himself.
He is an a family man, with pure hustle muscle running through him, and a desire to take on many different roles in his life.
Growing up in Texas, he has, since being a small boy, been a paper boy, a grocery bagger, delivery driver, cable TV disconnect-er to name just a few of the roles he has undertaken, but through all of them you can see a thread that connects them all.
At his core it seems to me that he has an interest in people and serving others.
It is that ability to connect with people, of all demographics that has lead to him to the life that he is living today.
And that is where I get a bit stuck, as I cant quite see where he is today.
How The Dots Joined Up For Carey
He is an author of both fiction and non-fiction, he is a podcaster, he is a pastor, and he is an entrepreneur.
Well lets just say that he is very busy man, with a drive to never have anyone say at his funeral “He had such potential…”
So the key questions that I feel are only right to ask him are:
What would he describe himself if he was met by a pretty lady in a bar (its ok his wife Mindi, won’t hear this bit!)
And does he see the rocket power that we need to go for the life of dreams, as enthusiasm, talent or just an idea?
Well lets find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots, with the one and only Mr Carey Green.
During the episode we discussed such weighty topics with Carey Green such as:
How he would describe himself as an multi-preneur, as he has multiple income streams coming into his life, and enjoys the flexibility that they [provide him.
How his teenager friends always would say “I’m going to get out of this town” when he was growing up, although he never felt that with the intensity that they did.
How recurring membership is the business model that it is the true sustainable model and is one that he believes will be
How a seismic shift in the generations of the world has occurred over the last twenty years, with future generations being left on the divide of opportunities and belief.
How a great business idea is to look at what we use everyday, and look at the things that annoy you somehow when you are using them. Can you resolve that annoyance?
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Full Transcription Of Carey Green Interview
David Ralph [0:00]
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When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:38]
Yes, hello, how are we? How are we everyone? I should start saying something a little bit different. I seem to say the same thing every time but hey, it’s polite, I suppose. This is Episode 322 of Join Up Dots. I’m David Ralph and I am going to be taking you on a motivational journey today. Yes, we’re gonna have one of those meandering conversations today because today’s guest is one of those guys that I can just feel that I can feel that he likes a meandering conversation. And he is a man we’ve um, I suppose huge faith in each religion and also himself. He’s a family man. We’re pure hustle muscle running through him and a desire to take on many different roles in his life. Now growing up in Texas, he has since being a small boy being a paper boy, a grocery bagger, a delivery driver, a cable TV disc connector, to name just a few of the roles he’s undertaken. But for all of them, you can see a thread that connects them all. At his core, it seems to me that he has an interest in people and serving others is the ability to connect with people of all demographics, that has led to him getting the life that he’s living today. And that is where I get a bit stuck as I can’t quite see where he is today. He’s an author of both fiction and nonfiction. He’s a podcaster he’s a pastor, he’s an entrepreneur. Well, let’s just say that he’s a very busy man with a drive to never have any one Santis funeral. He had such potential. So the key questions I feel are only right to ask Mr. What would he describe himself if he was met by a pretty lady in a bar? And he’s okay. His wife Mindy won’t hear this bit. And does he see the Rocket Power that we need to go for the life of dreams as enthusiasm, talent, or simply just having an idea? Well, let’s find out as we bring on to the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Mr. Carey Green. How are you Carey?
Carey Green [2:25]
I’m doing great David man, as I’ve never heard an introduction like that before. That was wonderful.
David Ralph [2:30]
I’ve been recording all day, and I’ll be honest with you, Carrie, just before I pressed record, I was thinking God, I feel tired. I feel so tired. Can I do this? But how can you not feel big when you’ve got Carey Green on the other end of the line?
Carey Green [2:43]
Well, that’s very kind of you to say We’ll see. We’ll see how true that holds.
David Ralph [2:46]
So let’s cut to the chase and and then I’m going to sort of meander as I like to do, but what do you describe yourself? If you was in a bar and a lovely lady comes up to you? And she says, Hey, lovely man. What do you do for a living? How do you describe yourself because I couldn’t quite nail it when I was sort of researching you.
Carey Green [3:05]
Yeah, I what I tell people is I’m kind of a multi pioneer, I have all kinds of interests in probably too many for my own good but I, I just tried to figure out ways to first of all generate income for my family. But secondly, I develop freedom for myself in terms of time and lifestyle so that I can really devote my energy to the things that I I really feel called to do. And that doesn’t necessarily have to be the businesses that I developed I’ve got a few businesses running that I like but I’m not passionate about but my why behind those is bigger than the business my Why is my freedom to do what I want it really want to do. And and so I don’t know how coherent that is, but that’s what I would say.
David Ralph [3:47]
I think he’s good at not that. I’ve got a bug babe. Actually, I hate the fact that printer gets thrown on the end of every word nowadays. And so no matter what you talk about, oh yeah, I’m I’m a solopreneur. I’m an entrepreneur. I’m a best printer. But I’ve never heard of a multi printer. So did you actually coined that phrase yourself? Or was it something that you read and vote? Yeah, that’s about me.
Carey Green [4:09]
I suspect that someone else has said it. But I, I know I thought of it myself and just said, yeah, that kind of fits.
David Ralph [4:15]
So So what is it about you then that you are terrified at your funeral? But somebody says, Hey, he had such potential. Have you always felt that? Or is it because you’re getting to a certain age now where you think all time is running out? You’re still a young man. But it goes quickly, doesn’t it?
Carey Green [4:33]
It does go quickly. And I think I have had that sense for a long time probably since my late teenage years. Just feeling that, you know, this life is short, and there’s only a certain amount of things I can do in and it would just kill me. Pardon the pun, if someone at my funeral said he had potential because what that would say to me is there was so much I could have done that I didn’t do in that they saw in me a potential to achieve some good or some some great thing that that I didn’t do. And so, you know, thinking about my funeral, I think I got that idea from one of Stephen Covey’s books where he talks about beginning with the end in mind and thinking about your funeral. And what would you want people to say that that really stirred me up when I read that and so that that’s just kind of how I feel. I want to make sure I’m doing the most with every day that I can do.
David Ralph [5:25]
I don’t want him to say anything at my funeral. I just want wailing. That’s what that’s what I was driving along the other day. And my daughter said to me, and she’s what, coming up 10 now, and she said, um, what would you do if I died now dead? And I went, well, I’d be a bit shocked because you’re very healthy by the side of me. And I said, Well, I’ll be very upset. I said, What would you do if if I died? And she went, well, that’s a problem because I can’t drive the car home. And she was very sort of practical about this. And I said, well, would you be upset or would it just be about the car and she said, Oh, no, I would be up. And so we had a practice wailing. And we were trying to see who could out well each other. And because you don’t see a lot of that, do you you don’t see a lot of wailing except for sort of Maffia, funerals in films, and it’s always the the Dark Lady with the sunglasses is, it’s always rainy, but she’s got sunglasses on, and she’s standing just bought a side of the grave.
Carey Green [6:20]
And you know, it’s really interesting. You bring that up, my wife was talking about that the other day about how other cultures, when they have some tragedy or something happened. they mourn, they have seasons of mourning, and and she and I were talking about it, is there’s something in Western culture that has caused us to be so inhibited that we won’t do that. And therefore there’s something in us emotionally, that isn’t as healthy because we’re not expressing the fullness of our grief. Like maybe we should. Just a question. It’s a curious thing.
David Ralph [6:49]
Well, it’s a good question, isn’t it? And I’m going to delve into it because it’s such a good question. Because Did you think Ben bad because the Western culture is very much move on, move on move? You get a new phone, the phone goes wrong, you buy another one, you get a computer it breaks, you just move another one. Do you think although logically you should say but actually, we’re not just moving on from a person we’re missing that person where such in that disposable climate that that it’s difficult to actually separate emotions to to funerals to phone. So is that just a stupid thing to say?
Carey Green [7:25]
You know, I think I think that the lack of morning at a funeral and obviously there are people that mourn and in a lot goes on behind closed doors, but the lack of public display that I think has more to do with appearances and has more to do with you know, what are people going to think or Oh, that’s not appropriate or whatever. But for me the way I think about it if my if my dear wife were to die, who cares what people think? I mean, I’m going to be feeling some pretty deep emotion. And if and if I need to express that i think that’s that’s totally appropriate. Doesn’t matter what culture you’re in.
David Ralph [7:57]
Did you think that your thing about putting Henshall is is it because you’ve come and gone, and you haven’t left your mark, because that’s my fear. I remember reading and I think I started talking about this on like, Episode 12. And we’re now on 322. So it’s still hanging around me and I can’t quite shake it. But the fact that I would hate to think that I’ve come to this planet, and I’ve left and after a period of time, nobody knows that I’ve been around.
Carey Green [8:25]
Mm hmm. You know, I think I think that’s probably part of it. For me, a lot of it is tied to my family. Because I believe that the greatest impact that I can make is in in my own children, and consequently, to their children through them. I really believe that that I have the responsibility to impact generations of my own lineage, not just my, my direct descendants in my children. So so I think about if I were at my funeral, and someone said, Oh, he has such potential to be a good dad. Oh, that would just kill me because that means I probably did things that that are on the verge of ruining the next generation of my own family. And that that matters more to me than anything so so that that’s part of where it’s connected to.
David Ralph [9:10]
So So let’s start going back in time, like we like to do on this show. And so when he was a little guy, and you were running around, where where were you growing up, give us a sort of an, a view of what your life was like as a youngster?
Carey Green [9:24]
Sure, I grew up the youngest of five kids. But that’s not what it sounds like. Because we were kind of two families. There were three older children, and then 12 years in between the youngest of them and my older brother. And then I was a year and almost Well, almost two years after him. And so it was kind of two families. I have older siblings that are the age of some of my friends parents. So so it makes for an interesting dynamic. My folks were blue collar. My dad worked in a manufacturing facility his entire career, and my mom was was a homemaker. And so being the youngest of five My parents were older when I got to my adolescent and teen years. And so I remember my my folks being tired a lot. And I remember, you know, they were working hard and in my life was not. It wasn’t good. It wasn’t bad. It was it was just a pretty average life. You know, I was happy. I grew up as a child riding my bike all over town in the panhandle of Texas and just just learned a lot. by example, I think our family wasn’t real communicative. So we didn’t talk about feelings. We didn’t talk about deep thoughts. We talked about sports and the weather and, and what happened to school in and so I grew up kind of kind of feeling I think I was a little more of an emotional child than some of the others and I, I felt there was more to life than what we’re talking about but but just never had opportunity in my home any way to get into that very deeply. So. So once I got out of the home and explored some things in college and all that, I began, really, yeah, the world’s a lot bigger place than I then I’ve been raised to
David Ralph [11:00]
Because I was interested on your blog where you said, where you grew up wasn’t the end of the world, but it was close to it.
Carey Green [11:09]
Yeah, you could see it from there. Yeah, yeah. It was this small little town in the panhandle of Texas named Pampa. And at the time I was growing up it was the main economy was the oil fields, in any kind of industry related around the oil fields. And sometime in my high school career, the oil fields dried up in the town consequently began to grow dry up with it. And so it became this kind of a depressed little town in and I went and visited again just recently and it still is kind of a depressed little town, lots of empty homes, lots of empty storefronts, just the people that live there, you know, work at the school district or the prison or, or, you know, some of the some of the bigger places and or run their own business and in its it’s kind of an interesting place to live. That does that sort of frame one. You’ve got such a drive. Did you think growing up in a place like that, which, obviously, when you’re a kid, it’s totally different. You just always around on your bike and you don’t really sort of understand these things. But do you think deep down, you realise that the place was lost somewhat, and you didn’t want to be lost with it? And that’s possible. I don’t, I don’t consciously think that way. Now, I still have fond memories of the town and the people I grew up with and all of that and I don’t ever remember having a desire to man I’ve got to get out of here. I remember hearing friends say that. And I never felt that. But I I did have a sense in my wife and I have talked about this a lot. That, that I’m supposed to do something big. And I never could define what big is and I still haven’t defined what big is. But I’ve just always had a sense that that I’m I’m a leader and I’m a self starter and there’s more for me than just this that I’m growing up in. A that’s it’s
David Ralph [12:57]
a wonderful feeling that but it’s also annoying. Isn’t Because I know exactly what you’re saying. And from the age of, well, from the age of a little boy, but I remembered it strongly from 16 onwards, I was going to work thinking, I won’t be it that much longer, something big is going to happen, something excellent is going to happen. And there was a kind of excitement around the corner. But it took me to the age of 44 until I realised that that corner was never going to come, I had to go to that corner, and I actually had to stop making things happen myself. But I know that feeling and I, I also remember being in corporations where you look around and other people didn’t have it. And I used to think I kind of wish I was been like the same content to be content. And I’m not I’m just unsettled all the time. So it is a weird sort of dichotomy, isn’t it?
Carey Green [13:48]
It is there’s a there’s a need in our lives to be satisfied, in the sense that we’re not always discontent. But there’s there’s also this thing that I refer to as a holy discontent. I think it’s a god given drive that some people have more than others to, to not be satisfied with where I am to always be growing, to be moving to be driving towards something in in that clarity of determining what that is, I think is part of the difficulty we we can become very dissatisfied with life if we don’t have clarity on where we’re headed. And so,
David Ralph [14:23]
so so as you are at the moment, are you satisfied or not?
Carey Green [14:30]
I both I’m very satisfied with where I’m at in life, but I’m not satisfied that this is the end. I I can’t just sit back and say, Okay, got it rolling like I want I’m just going to post something in me won’t let me do that. I have to be producing things that are a value to people in the world. I have to be moving in a direction that I feel driven and for me, I’m a man of Christian faith. I believe that comes from God. And I, I, I feel the need to be obedient to that because I think I’m going to be held responsible for that someday.
David Ralph [15:08]
And what happens if you get to a certain point, you’ve achieved massive success, which I’m sure you’re going to do anyway. But you look around and you’ve still got those same feelings now, because that’s, that’s what I see time and time again, you get the people who really are driven and they’re driven and they’re driven and they achieve achieve achieve. And then when you kind of look at and go, God, You must be happy or not. And they go out Yeah, blow their brains out or something and you kind of think why why have you done that? But then there’s other people that just seemed to be content because I haven’t got that drive for for more like those other people.
Carey Green [15:46]
Yeah, I think for me, and again, I can only speak for me but I, I feel like my contentment with I mean, the reason I can answer both sides of that question is because I’m content with who I am, I feel like my identity is rooted in my relationship with Christ and that my faith gives me a security that if I if I do or don’t accomplish these great things, who I am is not tied up in that. It’s it’s something I attempted that either succeeded or failed, but it doesn’t have anything to do with me who I am is secure in who I am is a rock solid foundation because it’s it’s a gift that’s been given to me. And so I, I operate from that, from that basis in it, it actually has become a very,
very powerful security in my life.
David Ralph [16:37]
So when your friends were saying, I want to get out of his town, obviously peer pressure has a big pole on us. Did you not go well, I will do that as well. You just didn’t feel that you just felt that you was where you should be at that time.
Carey Green [16:53]
Well, I didn’t I didn’t feel it like they felt it for sure a lot of them. Were saying that because It was a town that just didn’t have much going for it. There wasn’t a lot for kids to do in high school and all that kind of stuff. And I, you know, so the kids would go out and they would get busy drinking and all the things they shouldn’t have been doing at the age they were at. And, and I just never was drawn to all that anyway. And I kind of heard it as their own lament of what being in this place has forced them into. And, and I feel in some ways, my home life is a little more stable than some of theirs. And I was just, I was given a different opportunity and, and it just didn’t strike me the same way. Now, I did want to leave in the sense that I knew it wasn’t going to be my home long term. I knew that I wanted to get out and see the world. I wanted to get out and experience different things in and I just couldn’t see myself there any further for the long term.
David Ralph [17:48]
Okay, because why I sort of asked that question is but when we started talking, your key value, your kind of life value was freedom. You mentioned freedom three or four times in that First gambit of conversation, that when you were a 16 year old, 17 year old that freedom is everything, isn’t it? And it seems interesting, but now you feel it strongly. But at that time you didn’t
Carey Green [18:14]
want to interesting about that is I think the kind of freedom I’m talking about is a is a freedom to determine. Well, that’s a wrong word freedom to attempt things that I want to attempt and feel I’m called to attempt when I was 16 and 17. I had no clue what my life was going to look like, I know no idea what I was going to do. And so that was just kind of this ambiguous feeling of dissatisfaction maybe is a good way to say it, but but as I’ve grown older, and I’ve realised more who I am and how I’ve been wired, I realised that I’ve got to have an environment of freedom in which to operate, because I’m too much of a leader to follow other people very well. Not to mean that I resist good leadership. It’s just that I have too many my own ideas and I, I don’t want to submit someone else’s I want to try mine. I’m also creative. So I want to I want to try my hand at things. And so being being in a context where I’m I’m under someone else’s guidance and rules, just doesn’t work for me. I can’t I can’t thrive in that environment.
David Ralph [19:23]
Is it an environment that you can construct vo Is it something but by getting people kindred spirits surrounding you can you can actually create that
Carey Green [19:35]
create the environment of freedom? Is that what you’re asked? Yeah.
Yeah, I feel like I have I’ve, through my entrepreneurial efforts. I’ve put together businesses that I’m in the process of scaling and outsourcing work to people and getting the business. You know, it’s that old phrase working on your business and in your business while I’m moving toward the own side of that, so that my life is mine and I don’t have that To be involved in the minutia, I can be doing things I feel called to like creating, creating coaching courses, creating life, life coaching and marriage enhancement courses and all these geared around my faith because you know, just like Buddhist people appreciate teaching from a Buddhist perspective, Christian people appreciate teaching from a Christian perspective, and I feel kind of called to be it’s a phrase, I’ve come up with a business pastor to come alongside Christian business people, and help them build a business according to the tenants of their faith.
David Ralph [20:33]
So what you’re doing you really niching down on your niching down into a tiny little area, which I am, it could be a massive area really, I don’t know. But it seems a very tiny area. And then you can grow from that point outwards, which is, I think the right way of doing it. I’d be interested in your point of view on this because I know a lot of the listeners almost feel like they’ve got to have this epiphany of some amazing idea that’s going to change the world. But you don’t do you don’t have to change a few things. people’s lives and you can make a very nice income for yourself.
Carey Green [21:04]
Yeah, you can. And you know it to me, there’s two issues there that you’re brought up, there’s the income issue. And then there’s the making a difference issue. And I think you can do both at the same time. The, the niche, I think is, you know, it’s that that phrase, you’ve heard you, you only need how many ever true fans were just 1000 true fans is what they say. I think depending on what you’re doing, it doesn’t even have to be that many. Because every, every life you touch, especially if you’re doing so in a in a soul stirring way, in a in a life changing way. Every life you touch is going to then be equipped and better, better focused so that they can touch another and it’s that ripple effect that can that can go throughout history that you will never know the extent of but your life because you were here it gets back to that thing about potential. Because you were here, all these things happened and all these things changed because you were a good steward of the Life and the talents and the gifts and the wiring that you were given. Man, you had an impact, and it’s bigger than then anyone would ever know.
David Ralph [22:07]
I had a change of mindset. When I started this show, I kind of thought, what I’ve got to get 100,000 people a day. And the show’s doing really well. I couldn’t ask for anything better. But then I was having a conversation with someone. And he said, I’ve created this product, and it’s $500. And I’ve sold it to 200 people. And that’s 100 grand. And I thought, Wow, it is it’s 100 grand, you’ve made fight. You’re absolutely right. And it shook me to the core, but I suddenly realised that if you can present a value to people that they’re going to get a lot of you can actually price something and only sell it to 200 people and make six figures. It blew my mind always. And if you had those kind of moments when you looked at what other people are doing and you kind of thing. Wow, wow, yeah, what’s holding me back. It just seems like The only person that’s holding me back is myself.
Carey Green [23:02]
Absolutely, yeah. And one of those epiphany for me, was exactly what you said, but then it stretched into a different direction when I started realising, okay, if I create a product, say, for example, and it is $500, and they sell it to 20 people, well, there’s 100 grand, okay, great. But where do I find the next 20 people? And how do I go and find another 20 people? And so what stirred in my mind was that idea of recurring income, if I can create this in a model that is recurring, so that people have an investment in staying attached to what it is I’m providing, that’s even better. And so one of my primary businesses Well, my my primary business I’m working on right now is a podcast production company, where I sell a monthly subscription for the services that my company provides, and it’s recurring. So every customer is set up on a recurring payment through PayPal And that comes into my bank account every week, every month. And, and it’s dependable, something I can count on. And the more clients I add, the bigger that gets, and it keeps growing. And I don’t have to go out to remarket my business to those same people again and again and convince them to buy again, I or create a new product for them to buy. I’ve created a service they value enough to pay for every month. And that keeps coming into me month after month after month. That has changed my my viewpoint in terms of how to make a living like nothing else.
David Ralph [24:30]
Well, I think you’re absolutely right, because I see it time and time again, where people have got a business model, which literally means that I’ve got to get new customers in the door constantly. And I just look at that and think that’s not sustainable. Surely you want to get to a point where the income that’s coming to you is almost like passive income. And you can you can switch off and you can go down to South America for a month with your family and know that it’s just operating almost on automatic pilot. Yeah, you might need somebody working for you, too. oversee it. But literally, it’s it’s that value that’s being paid time and time again. So you feel with your podcast service, that is something that’s going to pay back big time?
Carey Green [25:11]
Absolutely, absolutely. I’ve, I’ve created kind of a business plan based on stats that I have from some email marketing that I’ve done, you know, my conversion rates and that sort of stuff. And I just extrapolated out the data to the point that I want to be by the beginning of June, for example, I want I want to make six figures through this business business income coming in by that by the beginning of June of this year, and so I just extrapolated that backwards. So what does that mean? How many do I have to contact every day? How many videos do I have to have to sell and get converted and blah, blah, blah. And the beauty of it David, is that once those people are sold into the programme, I mean, you know, people who podcast love their podcast, and if if I am able, which I am in most cases to to amp up the quality of their show, both in production value and and consistent Seeing those kinds of things. They’re, they’re hooked. It’s it’s something they do not want to give up. And so unless there’s a change in their business model where they decide podcasting is not for me anymore, they’re they’re on for the long term in and it’s a win win situation because they’re getting great value out of it. And I’m getting exactly what I want a business that I can scale to the point that I have the freedom I want.
David Ralph [26:24]
And do you enjoy doing it? Or is that one of the businesses that you’re not too keen on, as you were mentioning?
Carey Green [26:30]
Well, I like audio and I like podcasting and I like technical but I don’t like to sit at the computer and edit audio all day. And so that’s why I’m contracting with people who can who can come along and I can train them and show them how to do the job and oversee that. And in time, I’ll have assistants who oversee it and I’ll have assistants who administrate and, and the business will be running and ultimately be the owner, not the operator. And and that’s my goal in time.
David Ralph [26:57]
But let’s play some words now. Then we’re going to carry on with this coming Because he’s fascinating, but these are words but Jim Carrey said recently and as such a passionate part of the show, Jim Carrey,
Jim Carrey [27:08]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [27:35]
Now, let’s take it from his father’s point of view. What did your father do for a living? Can he see what you’re like now? Is there similarities?
Carey Green [27:46]
You know, my dad was a, like I said he worked on a manufacturing line in an oil field products company for his entire career. went to work long hours, worked hard build things drew a salary He he turns 90 this June. And he, he thankfully still has all his wits about him. He’s very sharp. He does understand. This is kind of a touchy, touchy way to describe it. I don’t know if I can. He understands that I’m doing something of my own business, but because he’s not into the internet world, he doesn’t exactly get what I do. And so he he doesn’t quite understand that I don’t have a somebody paying me a salary. He doesn’t quite understand that, that this is my own thing that I that gives me freedom. I don’t think he connects all those dots. But he doesn’t understand that. I’ve created a business in that the businesses supporting the family. I think that’s all he cares about. And so, you know, going back to what Jim Carrey said, I, I feel like my dad. You know, God bless him. He’s a wonderful man. He wasn’t a dreamer. And that’s okay. I don’t think everybody is a dreamer. And I don’t think everybody needs to be a dreamer. I think the entrepreneur world sometimes people get the feeling that Oh, if I’m not a dreamer, I don’t have this great vision, I’m not doing something great in the world, that they’re, they’re somehow less than, and that’s not true. You know, we need plumbers, we need taxi drivers, we need those things in our world. So so I’m glad there are people who are wired that way. But I just wasn’t one of them. My dad was I’m not. And so that difference, I’m okay with that. And I think he’s okay with that.
David Ralph [29:30]
It’s funny because with my father, my father is 76 now and he’s as busy as he’s ever been whizzing around doing things all the time. He’s supposed to have retired but he’s like he’s busy of any used to be. And I couldn’t tell you what he ever wanted to be. He’s always been that my dad and he’s just done what he is done. And it’s I find it fascinating but with my family, my kids on very much. Come on kids. Come on, we can do this and why don’t you do that and you know when you grow up You can have fun and you can earn income. And there’s possibilities and everything’s amazing. When I was a kid growing up, it just wasn’t spoken about. You just kind of went along a path. But everybody else did. And it was the expected path. And I find now that there is there’s a seismic shift somehow, where more and more people are having these conversations like we are. And they are affecting the lives of our own kids. But they’re leaving behind the older generation that there seems to be a gap. There’s a chasm. And can you see that with your family that your dad isn’t a dreamer, but your kids are ultimately going to be looking at you. And they’re going to be operating in a different way? Because I can see what that is doing.
Carey Green [30:42]
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. And I think I think the tension is going to be between people who are say, my son’s generation who’s one of my sons is 15 right now, and there are going to be people of his generation who still don’t get it. who still aren’t dreamers who still are content to have a nine to five job where someone pays them a salary. And they’re that tension between those people and the generation that is going to get this entrepreneurial bent and the the creative bent that the internet provides and all of that, that tension, I think it’s going to be interesting to watch. Because there’s, there’s going to be a, I don’t know, anything else to call it but attention, there’s good, there’s going to be a difficulty of them understanding each other, because the ones who are in entrepreneurial realm and are and are self driven, and go getters are going to tend to look down on those others. And those others are going to tend to look down on them because they’re just they’re not stable and they’re not. You know what I’m saying? I think it’s very interesting. And my my son and I had a conversation about this just last night, and you know, he he was saying he’s working with me and my business doing some of the things I’m just training him on a few things. And he was saying it doesn’t feel like work to me. It doesn’t feel like it’s really work and And I don’t think he meant It’s so fun. He just meant it’s on the computer. It’s digital. It’s there’s nothing tangible about it. And so we had a long conversation about value and what people place value in and are you providing value to the clients and, and, and the opportunity to create something that will give you the life you want. And it was just a great conversation, David, and I think I think he is definitely going to be influenced by what he sees me doing. Because he’s seen me for 20 years prior. Being in a it was more than a nine to five, but it was a role where someone else set the agenda. Someone else paid me someone else set the job description. And now that I’m out of that, he’s getting to see both and so I’m very interested to see how he’s going to perceive all this as he becomes an adult.
David Ralph [32:42]
He’s got to be effects. He doesn’t he he Hell
Carey Green [32:44]
yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I was Jim Carrey’s comment and reminded me of one way that I was affected growing up in the blue collar family that I was in. I remember often when we would go to the store and I would ask my mother, you know, and can I get a candy bar? Can I get this? I remember so many Many times hearing I can still hear my mother’s voice saying, we can’t afford it. And there’s nothing wrong with that it was the reality that we were living in. But that phrase has come to communicate an attitude I’ve discovered in myself over the last 20 years telling myself I can’t afford it. And that, in turn, has directed many of the choices I’ve made as an adult in in and is limited me in a lot of ways. And it’s, you hear people talk about limiting beliefs, I think that was one of mine. And so getting into the entrepreneurial realm where I’m seeing the potential of different business models and ways of going about things, the recurring income being one of them, I’m realising that phrase I can’t afford it is going away. It is it is something I need to jettison because it cannot describe the way I look at the world because I need to I need to be optimistic and I need to look for ways to make things happen rather than less letting things happen to me.
David Ralph [34:01]
Does that make sense? It makes total sense. It really does. And the thing that I always think is a shame carry is, as you were saying, We don’t want everyone to be entrepreneurial. And this show isn’t about that. But what it is, is about being happy. And if you’re in a job that you don’t like, get another job. And if you’re in a job that you kind of like, but you’ve just lost your way, somehow try and get it back, try and find a way to be happy, because that’s the crying shame, isn’t it and what you’re sending out to your son is that he can almost play and earn income, he can enjoy himself. And when you look over the real Uber successful guys, you kind of can’t work out how they’re doing it. When you look at Richard Branson, for example. And he’s he’s planning to go up in space and he’s flying along on a hot air balloon. It’s fun. It’s just fun. Now, you can’t really imagine me in a board meeting. It just doesn’t seem to have that thing, but he must do But he’s created a world that you look at and you go back that looks great. And when you look at like Simon cow, and when you look at all these guys, there is close to playing as possible, aren’t they? But by playing, you’re actually touching on those key streams that live God, whatever has given you. And that’s when it all comes together somehow.
Carey Green [35:22]
Yeah, and the way that I, the way that I view that is that they, they noticed an opportunity and believed that they could do something with the opportunity and by doing so, they have created for themselves the opportunity to do more than most, you know, the common person even dreams. They have actually created that opportunity by taking advantage of the ones they’ve received. And that’s, that’s, I want to teach my son how to do that. I don’t want him to see obstacles I want to see. I wanted to see opportunities.
David Ralph [35:56]
Well, what you’re teaching him as well and where we go back to your pocket. Casting business is where you can find the value within something that’s already out there. You don’t have to create something new. And I think Steve Jobs said something, it’s easier to create something new when you already understand how it works already, or something along those lines. And so if you’re involved in a business, and you’re sitting there, and this goes out to all the listeners, and I was saying, this is a blueprint to start a business, if you’re sitting at work, and you’re doing something and you’re thinking, this is a pain, there must be a better way of doing that. Then try to solve that, pass it up, and then start selling it. And I guarantee other people will buy that because we’re all sitting around with inconveniences and hassles and stuff, especially with technology. And if you can solve that there’s huge value, but you don’t have to create something new. You just actually have to make something that’s already out there easier to use, which is what you’re doing, isn’t it Carrie you’re taking the pain points of podcasting, and your your levy at that firm?
Carey Green [37:02]
Yeah, yeah, that’s exactly what I’m doing another example of a of a smaller business that I have running. That is exactly that same thing is when I first moved out of the role I was in for 20 years, which was pastoring local churches. I literally said to my wife, I’m not qualified to do anything else, because all my education was in that area, all my degrees. But I knew I had to figure something out. So I went and I, I took the test, and did all the education to become a mortgage loan originator in the United States. And so, I as I was going through that process of studying, learning, trying to get all these regulations and stuff under my belt, I realised the teacher in me started coming out and saying, This test is very non intuitive. This test is very convoluted. This test is not easy to pass. I mean, I’ve got a graduate degree David, and that was hardest test I’ve ever taken in my life. And so by the time I passed that test, I had created a video course teaching people how to study for that test because the pain of studying for that test is so great. And so I created that video course I got it online and started advertising through YouTube and various other places. And to this day, that course, which I created setup, I forgotten about it, don’t have to do anything with it is producing eight 800 to 1200 dollars a month in revenue, just from people in those shoes, saying, Yeah, this pain is great. I need help and the income and do the course. So it’s exactly what you just described.
David Ralph [38:30]
Well, if you go back in time, and you go to the starting point of Pat Flynn that we used to talk about Pat Flynn along the early episodes, and for some reason. Yeah, we don’t as much now. But he started in that same way. He started exactly right. Yeah, finding a course that people were struggling to pass and he’d already passed it. So he put the information on there. And what fascinates me with that story, and Pat was supposed to come on about 20 episodes ago, and he’s had to Phone. So he will be coming on soon. But what I want to ask him is, did the belief come from that moment when that first dollar come through? Is that when it all starts to make sense? Or is it actually do you need to have the belief beforehand, because I see that time and time again that people are doing stuff, but it’s almost they’re not doing the right stuff because they haven’t got that total belief. And then when they get that first, shoot, come through, instead of watering that and growing on it, and making that shoot, become more more profitable, by then sort of turn direction and do something else. And I think it’s over little shoots. But he didn’t, he took that. And once it started making money, he made it make more money and he wanted it and then it spread into something else. And now he is, you know, the online celebrity that he is so did you think that is do you do you think you need to have the belief beforehand? Or do you need to see some tangible rewards, but a belief to really kick in
Carey Green [39:59]
you know, I think you’re hitting, you’re hitting a very important point. I was listening to Pat Flynn, among others at that time when I was studying for that test. And I had heard Pat story about that course that he did. And and so I know that was, I mean, going back to the ripple idea that was some of what dropped the pebble in the pool for me, and got me rolling in an entrepreneurial way. So, so I think, I think for me, the belief that it could happen was there, from listening to all this, these resources I’ve been listening to and that’s a mindset issue. I was kind of reprogramming how we thought about what’s possible. But then when I created that course, in the first purchase came in, there was something in my brain that clicked and said, this is going to happen. And I can I can oversee this and nurture it just like you described with the shoot, I can fertilise the soil I can water the plant I can optimise the growth so that this can be the maximum that it can be and I think it’s both and but but man When that first chain happens, there’s something about that that makes you realise this is truly possible. It’s not just a pipe dream.
David Ralph [41:07]
I remember my first coaching and it was AdSense it was I had a little website and I put up some AdSense. And I was just playing around really. And I looked at it, and it was something like, I don’t know, $2 30 or something. And I thought, How amazing. I haven’t done anything at all with that. And the website is still there ticking away. And I now look at it now. And I think to myself with the knowledge I’ve built up, I could have made it very profitable. But I think it was part of my joining up my own thoughts. I had to write one step to another to another to find my thing, which I’m Fingers crossed, I believe is what I’m doing now. But I still get a check from it and I’m not doing anything with it at all. It’s just sitting there going, catching, catching not a lot, but you get a lot of them and when you start to cook on gas on you and you’re starting to realise that what these guys are saying You know, my wife, for example, Carrie, she can’t believe anything that I’m doing, even when a check comes through the post and she says, What’s that for? And I go, Oh, that’s that website and she goes, Oh, okay, how’s that working? She still can’t get it back. You can set things up and leave them running and you then go off to bed. And you watch Yeah, flicks GG can’t get bad. So
Carey Green [42:22]
yeah, my wife, when I first dove into this pool, my wife had a very hard time believing this was really going to work. And and I have to give her give her the benefit of the doubt. You know, she wasn’t listening to all the podcasts I was listening to she wasn’t learning the things I was learning. So I had to, at that time, step back and not be offended and not feel like well, you don’t believe in me. You know, I had to just understand where she was coming from. She didn’t have the information I had, but I I had that inspiration this can happen. But you know, I had an AdSense site at first two and I got some teachings from that little dollars here and there. And that was part of those seeds. That keep feeding the plant and make make you realise this can happen.
David Ralph [43:05]
I was speaking to a chap the other day. And to be honest, I don’t have many enemies in the online world. But this guy just went for me for some reason. I don’t know why he went for me. And I didn’t respond in any shape or form, but he was he was struggling and he was trying to get success. Well, I saw him online the other day, and it’s quite obvious. He’s got a lot of success now and he’s doing really, really well for himself. And I thought to myself, how much quicker could you have got to that point if you weren’t reaching out and trying to, you know, grab other people’s success to get there. I reckon he could have done it so much quicker. And I it was my first actual sort of negative victory I really directed at me and it took me by surprise, but since then other people have said, Now that’s good. You’re only going to get that when you actually be noticed. And people are gonna sort of I say those kind of things. But he’s he’s got a passion. He’s got a passion, and it was so focused on finding out how other people are doing it. But when he sort of changed direction and just focused in on himself, he achieved it. And now he’s, I don’t know, he’s doing 60 grand a month or something, you know, which, which is great. And I’m really wonderful. Yeah, I’m really pleased for him. But is it something that we all suffer with? Is it the fact that until we totally start to buy into it is not going to work? And that’s why the, the shiny object syndrome drives us all to distraction at the beginning. And the Quick, get rich quick schemes that come through and, yes, follow my template and you will make what I’m making each month and you try it, it just doesn’t work. I mean, you go, I’ll try something else. Is that a problem that everybody has?
Carey Green [44:49]
I think so. I think we all have to learn in the school of hard knocks, you know, you gotta, you’ve got to kind of pay your own dues and figure out that way. What what the the wise people who you’ve been listening to are saying really is true because you’ve made your own mistakes to prove it. And you know, isn’t that really the best form of learning it’s you know, someone said the other day to know and not apply is not to know. And what I hear in that is that there’s there’s a level of knowledge that comes from experience from applying things that is true knowledge that really moves you and drives you and so you know, we all want easy we all want quick and there’s nothing wrong with working smart and working hard at the same time and doing smart if you can do it and not work hard. There’s nothing wrong with any of that. But you’ve got to kind of pay some dues to get to the point you know how to work smart and and i think that get rich quick thing kind of kind of leeches on that it. It takes advantage of that instinct and makes some unscrupulous people a lot of money because They know people will buy it. And it’s very sad we are that way. And thankfully, you know, I’ve been blessed, I haven’t fallen into any of those those kinds of things.
David Ralph [46:08]
I folded into a few of them. And I can honestly say looking back, which is the theme of the show, again, joining up dots. The dots at the time, were bad thoughts, and I look back and think I wasted a bit of money, but it led me forward and it allowed me to see where the bad docs are. So it’s not going to get me again. And so I think I needed those, those scam merchants to come my way to actually make me realise that by working at something and really focusing on something that’s the way for success, and they’re just grabbing at the the quick schemes isn’t sustainable.
Carey Green [46:46]
Absolutely, absolutely. I’ve got I’ve got regrets but the only regrets I have are in things I have done to people that that were unbecoming or non charitable or unloving, but I don’t have any regrets about experiences or decisions I made that were difficult. Because those things have built, like you say, joined up the dots to make me who I am. And to make my life what it is. And and I wouldn’t change anything about that.
David Ralph [47:15]
But let’s play the theme of the show that is all about joining up dots. And this is what Steve Jobs said.
Steve Jobs [47:21]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever, because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [47:55]
Well, you obviously buy into those words quite quite Big time I suppose. What what’s what’s the big deal? Or do you look back at something and go Yeah, but that’s when it came and actually I’m gonna hold back on that question because another one is just popped into my head when when you went entreprenuer or were you forced into that route? Did you lose your job or did you leave? No, I left
Carey Green [48:19]
I felt that the calling to be a pastor was over in in my mind that is a role that the folks who I’m serving need someone who’s 100% there and I just wasn’t anymore My my passion for the world was gone. And so I stepped out kind of in faith thinking okay, I’ll just have to figure this out. There’s there’s something out there for me to do. And thus I tried the loan officer stuff that didn’t wasn’t a good fit for me personality wise and and all that time was working on entrepreneurial stuff and I do remember one of the big dots just in the in the recent past was struggling with my own things and saying, Okay, this is not meeting the bills, we’re getting into the black or getting into the read more and more. I’ve got to do something, I’ve got to go out and get a job. You know. And I hated that idea because I had enjoyed the freedom I tasted so far. But I went around and started getting applications from businesses. And David, we live in a small town in the mountains of Colorado. And I’m looking around in this town at the industry that is here in the industry that’s not here and saying to myself, there is nothing here that can support my family. That’s just a reality. And so I came home and I had a head application spread out on the table. This one pays $11 an hour that one pays $15 an hour that one pays 12 an hour, and I’m realising if I if I take any of these jobs, I will be giving all of my available time to do anything that can produce the right amount of income for my family and not be getting the right amount of income for my family, I can’t do this. I have to figure out a way to make something else work. And that was a big day for me. When I just decided this entrepreneurial route is the only option for me. I’ve got to make it work. And kind of like Pat Flynn when he got laid off from his job. He said, he said, that was a turning point for him. He’s got to make this work. Well, that’s how it was for me. I just realised, I believe this can work. Now I’m motivated that it’s going to work.
David Ralph [50:26]
I left my job. And if it hadn’t panned out, I could have gone back quite easily. But now I couldn’t. I’m totally unemployable, as you say, the fact that I can literally decide that I want to go for a walk in the afternoon and just just live the life that I want. Really, once you’ve tasted bad, you just can’t go back. I could not sit at a desk, like I did for 25 years plus, thinking I could be doing something else at this time. He’s just Manimal.
Carey Green [51:01]
Yeah, yeah, I’m there too. And and, you know, my my friends and people who know me will say, Do you think you’ll ever go back into the ministry? Do you think you’ll ever teach and preach again? And, and I say I, you know, maybe here and there, but I just don’t see it in the future. Now, obviously, God’s the author of history, he can do whatever he wants and put me wherever he wants. And I would submit to that, but I just I just don’t see it happening.
David Ralph [51:26]
When when that changed in you, because that that’s quite difficult, because that’s not just the job. That’s according as well, when you start to lose that feeling that this is the root. That must have been a very difficult decision to make when when you suddenly thought hang on this. I was cold for this. And now it’s gone somewhere.
Carey Green [51:45]
Yeah, it was it was a very disheartening and confusing time because it it it grew over the course of probably a year and a half to two years. And so my wife was sensing it first in her own heart and then seeing it in me and trying to convince me So coming from the blue collar background I did. I had this work ethic that no I just can’t quit. I can’t quit. I just got to keep at it. It’ll get better if I just plug away. And the problem was is it wasn’t getting better. It was getting worse. And we even we even took a sabbatical, the church was gracious to give us some time off for four months, we took that four months off thinking we just needed to decompress, we needed some rest, we, we just needed to kind of regroup and came back and within a month, I was right back in the same place. And so that’s what showed me Okay, something something serious is going on here. And it was disheartening. Because up until that point, that’s who I was, you know, I was a pastor, I was a shepherd I was I was a teacher of the Bible. And that’s all I knew, in that comment to my wife, you know, I I don’t I can’t do anything else. I’m not qualified for anything else is reflective of how I felt at that time. But you know, thank God, it didn’t stay that way. I remember
David Ralph [52:50]
that same feeling of, I can’t do anything else. I spent all my life working to be a trainer and presenting and talking and communicating. I can’t do anything else, you can’t put me in a corner and not let me do that. That’s what I’ve, I’ve developed. That’s, that’s who I am. And it’s the positive thing to over listeners out there is everything you’ve been doing in your career, even if it’s not what you wanted to do, is helping you towards your future. And it’s those things that you thought were tough at the time. They become your your, your skills, your your passions, you’ve just got to find something within yourself, that plays to the strengths you’ve developed. And when you’re cooking on gas, that’s the hard thing. And that’s difficult. And that’s what we’re trying to do on the show to show you that it’s actually in there, the answer is actually in there. But all the experiences you have, none of them are wasted. Not one of them.
Carey Green [53:44]
Yeah, that’s totally right. And I was having that conversation my 15 year old last night about, about that kind of thing that even your high school algebra is one of those dots that’s connecting and it may not be
Unknown Speaker [53:56]
David Ralph [53:57]
yeah, I know but uses algebra.
Carey Green [54:00]
No, but no, but here’s the point. It may not be that you’re going to become a mathematician, mathematician or a math instructor, but what it’s doing for you in terms of mental discipline, and in terms of concentration skills, in thinking logically, that is going to be connected somewhere in your future, you need that. And so don’t have any I know it’s at 15 years old, it’s hard to see that and say, it’s worth it. But just trust me, that’s what I was telling him. Just trust me, Caleb, it’s worth it. Press through it, do the best you can. Because you’re making you into the best version of you, you can be even in things like this. So press ahead and make sure that you’re being a good steward of the brain and the time and the life that God’s given you. And that’ll all be blessed in the future.
David Ralph [54:43]
So just before we send you back in time, I suppose the key question and this is for your point of view to over listeners is, do you think everyone can really have a kick ass life if I only go for it?
Carey Green [54:56]
I think so, but it may look different for different people. It won’t, it won’t mean that everybody is an entrepreneur owning their own business, it won’t mean that everybody has the ability to travel the world and live out of a suitcase or anything like that. But for me, it has to do with issues of faith. It has to do with issues of mindset. It has to do with seeing the world as a place where you are on the planet for a very, very real purpose. And that is to benefit people and benefit the world. In in that attitude alone can change a person’s entire life, to where their their content, they’re satisfied. They’re living the dream, so to speak, while being in a blue collar, 40 hour week job. I think that’s entirely possible.
David Ralph [55:41]
And I think it’s entirely possible is you can be happy, can you I’ve been asked the line.
Carey Green [55:46]
You can you can remember a book that guy named Dennis Prager wrote years ago called happiness is a serious problem. And and the whole book was about what is it that enables us to be happy, and it’s a very interesting read. If you’ve never Read it, it’s great book. I’m gonna read that and
David Ralph [56:02]
listeners out there be happy forever Williams on it and dance around the living room because that’s the way to get happy. Well, this is the end of the show. And this is the part that we call the Sermon on the mic when we’re going to send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time, Mr. Green, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give? Well, we’re gonna find out because we’re going to play the theme tune and when it fades you out. This is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [56:37]
Carey Green [56:50]
Well, David, I would talk to my 17 year old self and I would tell my 17 year old self that who you are now is not who you are. You’re in the process of growing into Helping and becoming all that you’re meant to be. And looking through the narrow lens of where you’re at right now is, is neither helpful nor healthy. You need to think bigger. And so that includes things like mindset, believing not just in in yourself but that, that you’ve been placed on the planet for a very particular and valuable purpose that you can you can do more than you think you can do, you can endure more than you think you can endure. And, and it’s it’s really a thing that if that if you believe those things, and you set your mind to move yourself in those directions, and that consists of daily action, daily habits that you put in place, those things will build over time and producing you the life that you’re meant to live. It’s not about the opinion of your friends. It’s not about the material possessions you have or whether you’re popular. It’s not even about whether you succeeded at that thing that you that you wanted to succeed at It’s about who you’re becoming as a person and for, for me, I would say to myself at 17 years old, cling to your faith, it’s going to serve you well. God is faithful. He loves you. He’s gonna he’s got a plan for your life. trust him no matter what, and press ahead in the gifts that he’s given you, and you’re going to go exactly where you’re meant to go.
David Ralph [58:20]
How can our audience connect with you, Carrie?
Carey Green [58:23]
Best Places on my website, Carrie green, calm at ca r e y. Green, like the colour.com. Or you can email me at Carrey at Carrie green calm. We’ll have all the links
David Ralph [58:35]
in the show notes. Thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining those dots and please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Mr. Kerry green, thank you so much.
Carey Green [58:51]
Thank you David has been fun.
David Ralph [58:54]
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