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Introducing Elizabeth Lucas-Averett
Todays guest, joining us on the Join Up Dots podcast interview is Elizabeth Lucas-Averett.
She is a lovely lady who I got introduced to by the wonderful Neen James that you would have heard back on episode 258 of Join Up Dots
She said David…”you have to get this hot chick on your show…she is amazing!”
Well I’m not going to turn down an introduction like that, and I can see why she feels that she is so amazing when you read in her own words.
“Who am I? I am busy, just like you. I want to live long and live STRONG, and I don’t want to obsess about it. I don’t want to rely on the expiring resource that is willpower, I want a lifestyle that works. I want my red wine, my dark chocolate, and I still want to bounce a quarter off my abs.
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During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Elizabeth as:
How you have to start somewhere to get anything done in life, and it really doesn’t matter how old you are when it happens. Simply start and do it now!
How the world will keep on handing you opportunity after opportunity, it’s just up to keep on reaching out and grabbing them.
How she remembers her yearbook stating “Never explain anything. Your true friends wont need it, and others won’t believe it anyway”
Why it is so important to not buy into the scarcity model that stops so many for starting. There is enough sunshine to go around in the world. Go out and get tanned now!
If you are going to make an assumption about an outcome then why not make the assumption that it is going to be brilliant. You will be amazed by your results.
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Full Transcription Of Elizabeth Lucas Averett Interview
David Ralph [0:00]
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when we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK. David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:37]
Yes, hello there everybody. This is Join Up Dots. This is David Ralph. And I’m back. I know it might not seem like I’ve ever been away, but I haven’t recorded for nearly 10 days now. So this is the first show And believe me, I couldn’t have chosen a better guest so hopefully I will press all the white buttons and make all the right noises and not really are so many stupid questions like konomi do, because she is a lady who I got introduced to by the wonderful Nene James that you would have heard back on episode 258 of Join Up Dots and she said, David, you have to get this hot chick on your show. She is amazing. Well, I’m not going to turn down an introduction like that. And I can see why she feels that she’s so amazing when you read in her own words. Now, what she says is, who am I I’m busy just like you I want to live long and live strong. And I don’t want to obsess about it. I don’t want to rely on the expiring resource that is willpower. I want a lifestyle that works. I want my red wine, my dark chocolate and I still want to bounce a quarter off my abs. Sounds pretty good to me. Now she also goes on and says I don’t want to look good for my age. I want to get better every day. Every year. I want to track my progress and help you with yours. I’m not a fitness professional nor a health practitioner. I’m a full time business owner a part time try happily, a woman with a family and a lot of responsibilities just like you I do not have all The answers, and I will never be finished. And she said that in capitals, and that is the farm. But this isn’t a story about a lady of love springing around and balancing upside down on her head on surfboards yet i’m sure we’re discussing this later, but one of the hardworking business lady who was constantly upskilled herself and develop since starting a working life like me as a corporate trainer. Now funnily enough, our lives also intertwined and she also worked as a consultant for a UK based firm supporting the Royal Bank of Scotland NatWest customer growth objectives, to whom I work for both companies in my past two. She’s the co founder of the Trista group in January 2003. She started that where she supports multinational organisations in building value through new business model development, innovative customer and supplier initiatives and our advancements while also spending as much time as you can in the outdoors, training for marathons and Iron Man competitions as well as being the host of the wellness based podcast and platform. On Air with Ella, you can see that she is right. She is super busy. So does she have a way of finding more time in a day than anyone else? And does she see a common path as exactly as where it should be? Or still part of the longer journey of life? Well, let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start Join Up Dots with the one and only Elizabeth Lucas Averett, how are you?
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [3:21]
Hey, David, how are you?
David Ralph [3:23]
I was out of practice there. Do you know that I haven’t. I haven’t done this for 10 days and halfway through. I wasn’t sure what I should be pressing and what I should be saying. I was I was all out of touch Ella.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [3:34]
Listen, I think you knocked it out of the park. I don’t even know how to describe my mother doesn’t know how to describe what I do. And you just made it sound like it makes sense. I mean, you made a few things up, which is cool, because I’ve never done a marathon, but I’m super impressed.
David Ralph [3:48]
Are you just in the basis of training for them then?
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [3:51]
No, no. I am a triathlete. And I enjoy triathlon so much and the longest distance that I’ve done in triathlon is Half Ironman, which is slightly over 70 miles, and an Iron Man is double that. Obviously, it is slightly over 140 miles when you combine the swim bike and the run so so yeah, I’ve earned my stripes in triathlon. But I’m just not up for a marathon. It doesn’t excite me in any way.
David Ralph [4:20]
None of that excites me. I’ll be honest. I’m not one of those things that you mentioned. And I get this a lot of times and I’m going to touch base with you on this instantly because it’s a key part of, I suppose, the entrepreneurial route, but it seems to me that when people get successful in business, but you can look around and go oh, what should I do? I’ll start doing marathons it’s almost like I built this let let’s build ourselves you know, and get ourselves going. So is that a part of you? Do you like that? That challenge? Do you not look at it and go, actually, I’ve been quite busy today. I’m gonna leave the Ironmen for a while.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [4:56]
I think that I think that you raise a real Really good point. And I think it’s a good question. And I don’t think it’s that simple, probably. So what I think it is, is very obviously, you know, we’re high charge, people were achievement oriented, the people that listened to your show are achievement oriented, and they want to just kind of, you know, take life by the reins and kick some butt, right. And that obviously, is not limited to business for a great many people that drive is going to carry you into multiple areas of your life. So I happen I think there’s a very high correlation between that sort of type A personality in business or whatnot, at very high correlation between that and sport, individual sport, and yes, I think we’re looking for mountains to conquer, but I wouldn’t say you know, there are some people that are just like, ah, give me give me something hard to do. Like you just did an interview with the guy. Oh, gosh, I can’t believe I’m forgetting his name, Joe. spot. Yeah. Race guy. Okay.
David Ralph [5:55]
Did you know how I picked out a 300 episodes as soon as you were talking about Give us a challenge. I know you were talking about him.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [6:02]
Holy cow you hit you you hit it you hit the nail on the head he I mean that guy is off the charts right? That’s not me. That’s definitely not the end by the way. Good on him. I just dumb. Did you
David Ralph [6:15]
do? Do you think that’s good on him? No because I thought he was brilliant and if anyone hasn’t listened to that episode jump back on it because it’s pre one two, I believe and it is a good episode. And 99% of what he said i thought was brilliant. 1% I thought was madness. And there were certain things like he said that he would ask his wife to drop him off in the car to run home 40 miles and I was thinking why what you mean a car you’re comfortable and radios on? Just get why do you want to do that? That is madness, isn’t it?
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [6:48]
As with every single thing in my life, I am a complete walking contradiction. So you here here’s the deal. I completely get that in a certain season. of my life. Like if I have a race that I sign up for, like I’m in the I’m in the national championships for age group, it’s called age group national championships this year for triathlon, it’s in August and guess I’m scared to death. And so I’m doing that this year. And as I get closer and closer, I will start getting increasingly psychotic. I cannot lie about that. And I can totally see me saying to my husband, why don’t I just get out here? You know, on the way home from the airport? Okay, no, maybe not. Maybe not 40 miles on foot. But I totally I have that in me. The thing I think that I could not relate to with his interview, and he is, I totally agree. I think that was a very high value content. I think he’s just amazing. And but the thing that I couldn’t relate to is the total extreme all the time. So and I think that applies to a lot of things in life. So I think there’s a season for everything. And if I were like that all the time, I would be utterly miserable to live with and frankly, it wouldn’t leave room for other things in my life. So I just, you know, that’s that, that that’s not me and a lot if there are triathletes out there, and I know there are, they’ll know that, you know, we can all get a little psychotic. But I’m not in the group that gets up at 4am no matter what the day is and goes and runs 15 miles because I have to that’s, that’s not me.
David Ralph [8:20]
It is interesting that you say if you live in a world of extremes, it doesn’t allow for other stuff, because, well, I suppose in the first maybe 150 episodes, it was very much say yes, so yes, if you say no, you only get no, you you stay in that same position. If you say yes, there’s gonna be opportunities coming your way. And I bought into that totally. Now in the last hundred and 50 episodes more often than not, I’m getting told, if you say no, and the right nose allows more time the right yeses. And that’s a kind of build on from from the first hundred and 50. So what you’re saying is actually You again, isn’t it? If you focus in on the extremes, the high points, how do you build those small points that ultimately lead to longer lasting success?
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [9:10]
Yeah, I mean, and that there’s trade offs to everything. There’s a flip side to everything. So the flip side of that is that you can, you can never master anything, you can never become an expert in anything. And so you will hear a lot of people I find it so interesting, by the way, David, that you had, you had that theme, like in groups, like that’s kind of weird, but interesting.
David Ralph [9:34]
I might, I might make a point. I don’t know after 300 shows
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [9:38]
with it. Let’s go with it. Let’s go with it. Okay. But I do think that there are a lot of people out there that have made a living saying, put in your 10,000 hours, become the expert and own it. And I think that that’s where I have broken that rule, time and time and time again, because I have This crazy diverse life. I mean, literally, I am an executive in the boardroom. And then, uh, you know, in my in the margins, I’m in iTunes and those little white shorts, right? Like those two images do not go together better it’s, it’s rocking my world just a little bit. But in any case, I think I’m distracting myself from my point. And that is that you know, I am definitely falling more into the jack of all trades master of none category. And I used to feel kind of kind of crappy about that and and now I don’t in the slightest, so let’s use let’s use triathlon as a as an example one more time and then we’ll, we’ll leave it alone because I don’t want people to think that that’s, like my raison d’etre. That’s not my whole life by any stretch of the imagination. But what I love about that sport is I’m not just an amazing swimmer. I’m not an expert cyclist. I’m not an expert runner. What I love about that sport is that I’m pretty solid in all three and being able to do all three on the same day. And, and so that’s why I can come out, you know, in the top 10% Top 5% or a podium finish and feel pretty strong in the old lady category. And and that’s the story of my life like I’ll take it so No, I’ll never be no one’s ever going to call me. Oh, you know, she’s she’s mastered the art of x and put in her 10,000 hours and you know what I’m really now I’m really, I’m really comfortable with that.
David Ralph [11:31]
Well, let’s talk about triathlon for the next 10 minutes. I’m not being told to move on. It’s my show.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [11:38]
But it makes it sound like I’m better than I am.
David Ralph [11:41]
I tell you what, just before we do move on, because obviously there’s there’s more to your life and that’s what I want to delve into. Did you see the 95 year old runner this week? Have you seen that over in America? There’s a 95 year old chap called Charles huge stuff I think he’s name is and he has a little righted the 200 metres record at the British masters athletics. Now he’s 95. So good on him. But he is obviously in a very small category of competition.
David Ralph [12:12]
Yeah. So he sets off, and he does it in something like 55 seconds. And he started running last year. And he is smashing every single world record because it’s I don’t even know, I don’t hang around with 95 year old. So I don’t know what the do running records are. But the point of it is, but if somebody is listening to be shown now and they’re hearing everything that you’ve done, and the fact that you’ve done all these, these kind of running things, and you’re very fit and all that kind of stuff, it’s got to start somewhere, doesn’t it? And the fact that he’s 95 years old, and he’s just started, and he’s now getting all the success in the world, and he’s actually writing a book saying basically, you can be 95 year old and love life is a brilliant age to be you just need to get off your sofa. do stuff that’s inspiring, don’t you that there’s no wrong time to start something in life.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [13:06]
Oh my word I didn’t pick up until you were halfway through that that he had just started. That’s amazing. That’s crazy. And you know what else I took away from that, David? If, if I live long enough, I will be the expert in my category.
David Ralph [13:20]
Oh, yeah, that’s why he dies.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [13:23]
David Ralph [13:24]
I got it. I could be the world’s sexiest man. if everyone’s gone. Clooney is gone. Brad Pitt’s gone. I’m the I only have to hang around. That’s what we’re saying.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [13:34]
I mean, listen, it’s important to have dreams. And isn’t that really the message of the show?
David Ralph [13:37]
Well, I think so. And I think the key the key message for the show as well, because we’re going off in many different areas is the fact that staying power, isn’t it? Once again, if you’re willing to put the work in and you’re willing to work until everybody else has died around you, you’re going to reap the rewards. Now, that’s not the best way of phrasing it. But it certainly does in the biggest sense show. You know, if you can get to the point where there’s less competition because most people have gone, it’s never gonna work. It’s too hard. I’m going to give up. That’s when the rewards are. But the trouble is, most people have trouble even starting, let alone getting to that point.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [14:16]
So true. And the other thing that you said that I think needs to be restated, David, is you said that he made a point to say, just start, like the excuses that we make when we’ve made ourselves very, very busy. The excuses that we make are very powerful, and frankly, they’re, they’re entirely legitimate, if you if in one sense, but what he said was just do like just do the one thing and that’s my that’s kind of a go to mantra for me and I love that he said that and I love that he, I love it. He had this discovery in his 90s amazing so anyway, I love people like that. That’s why I started my podcast is because I love to talk to people like And pick their brain and get motivated by them. So anyway, great story.
David Ralph [15:04]
What a perfect segue. So your podcast on air with Ella, you’ve released 12 episodes as we’re speaking today, and it’s doing very well. Are you pleased? Are you surprised with the success?
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [15:17]
I am several things I just launched. I mean, just just a few short weeks ago. And I think most people when they begin that journey, I mean, I knew David, I knew if there if it’s possible to know less than nothing. That’s what I knew about podcasting. And so I think it takes most people a few months to kind of find their legs and get started. And because I have a few other responsibilities, I probably, gosh, I probably worked on it for a year and I don’t mean I worked on it for a year it took me a year to put the pieces together in the margins of my life and then make it happen anyway. So is it rewarding to have that launched and have it kind of all over iTunes and you know, they’re promoting the show and that makes me really, really Happy and people are, you know, they’re apparently having positive experiences with it. So I’m super happy about that. But it’s funny Do you find this I when you do something and you kind of knock it out of the park by by the traditional definition, I mean, I just want more, I just want to do more. I’m like, that’s great. So, you know, x thousands Great. Now I want to triple it. I’m never ever satisfied. So I need to pause for one minute and be like, Yeah, I did it. But that’s just not what I do. I’m not good at that. So yeah, now I want to like rule the world and share it with as many people as possible and help as many people as possible to kind of find their best self. So that’s all I can see. And I don’t know if that’s a mountain I can ever reach.
David Ralph [16:43]
I think it is Bo, isn’t it? And I think if you start off with those big dreams, and some people might go back sounds a bit arrogant but i i buy into what you’re saying totally because I think that’s what you got to do. And when if you listen back to my early shows, I was very kind of subdued with my dreams. For the show, and when I got to about Episode 100, and I was going, I think this is gonna be the world’s biggest show, I think I think everybody can just try them I awake, and then I kind of settled down a little bit, but still that vibe, that passion, all of that those statements is still with me. And I think you’ve got to set out, haven’t you, if you are creating something to provide value, you don’t ultimately you. And I know people say, as long as it affects one person, then I’m happy. And I think there’s too much work involved to affect one person, you might as well stand at the bus stop and just talk to the person next year. It’s gonna be out there big time. And so I think your belief in your passion is to push it that far. I think he’s good. And I think he’s gonna go there. Just the fact that you’re in those white little shorts on the front. It’s going to attract a certain amount of demographic, isn’t it?
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [17:47]
I mean, you know, I can’t really speak to that. But But you know, well, I’ll tell you what I will say. I think it’s important that you raise the point of arrogance, versus Well, let’s figure out let’s Let’s figure out how to flip that on its head because I spent many, many years of my life and I’ve been in the work world workforce now for you know, I’ve been working since I was whatever since I could, but as an adult, I’ve been in the workforce now for just over 20 years. Admit it. And actually, I don’t hate to admit it, I’m rather proud of it. And and I spent my 20s and I spent a good chunk of my 30s really on a quest for significance and I don’t mean world domination you know that social media was not what it is today. I wasn’t taking videos of myself and putting it all over the place me that look at me, look at me, not that type. I just wanted you know, we have a huge human and innate need for significance. And mine is probably dialled up a little higher than maybe somebody else’s who has a greater need. Maybe their need is for security or, or whatever. So, what I started to learn, is that what I actually found so much more fulfilling Was my need for service. And that actually would have sounded weak to 25 year old me. Oh, and the need for service like that just sounds like, you know, I don’t know, it doesn’t sound like a conqueror, someone who is going to take the next mountain. And now I understand it so differently, David now I’m truly, genuinely motivated and it’s always been there but now I’ve dialled it up, I think there were a lot of hard work and some you know, self awareness. And I’m truly motivated by the idea of serving as many people as I can I use that in my business life and I use that obviously here in my with the on air with Ella show, because first of all, I’m not I’m not making a dime from that right now. I’m not afraid of making money, and I will look at how to monetize that when I get there, but I’m not there right now. And so I’m just doing that because I truly believe I might be able to help people and I don’t think that’s arrogant.
David Ralph [19:57]
Yeah, but I don’t think he’s ever gonna talk. And I would say 1015 years ago, we would have said service, but now we say value. And that’s, that’s a different shift, isn’t it? And now we’re all about providing value to the world. And it’s like this show. Yeah, I started it with passion that it was going to be a global success. And then I’ve carried on but I got to a point where actually and I don’t know if you’re, you find this in the things that you do that are the most successful. I got to the point but actually, the ability to fine tune my craft and become better at it took our rubber and even if no one was listening, I was interested in the improvement Did you see that in your own life is actually about taking it forward and getting better and better at what you can do?
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [20:48]
Yeah, I mean, when you know that you wouldn’t be doing this if nobody was listening. And you would just keep doing it because a you had faith that they would be but it that’s when you know you are You know, you found your life’s work is when you would do it, whether you whether you were getting paid or not whether anybody was listening or not like that’s when you know. And now again, I’m not a volunteer I make I’m a capitalist, I make a living, I’m not afraid. Not afraid of that. But I guess I just believe that if you really focus on a lot of people say, just do what you’re good at, and the money will come. And I actually tweak that just a little bit and say, find out like, I actually believe we all have a calling. And you should just keep trying things until that calling lines up with the actions that you’re taking. And then magic happens and your story is perfect testimony to that.
David Ralph [21:41]
Well, it is and it’s something that I look back and when you get to a certain amount of success, and hey, I’m on very small success in the great scheme of things. But people start coming to you and saying Will you be on my show? And so I came in to view sort of left and centre and it was a funny start. Really because I used to think, why why do you want to speak to me? What What am I doing? That’s any good. But now I look back on it and think, yeah, what I was doing that was any good was doing something. That’s that’s the story. That’s the story. But when you look at your talents and your skills that you have built up over your lifetime, you have got a blueprint, you have got a blueprint to make money. And I see that totally now. But I know the majority of my listeners can’t see that. They can’t see that the things that they’re doing on a daily basis, because I can just do it. And I’ve been doing it for 1015 years is a blueprint to make money. When does that come together? When do they get to my side of the fence from that side of the fence?
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [22:44]
I think that the world will keep handing you opportunity. I think that I mean, and I’m not I’m not a natural born optimist by any stretch of the imagination, so I don’t mean this in some woo woo. You know, just everything’s gonna be fine. That’s not what I mean at all. I think we’re so fortunate that the world will keep handing you opportunity. And if you’re tuned into it, and if you’re ready for it, it’s there for the grabbing. Now, I don’t know if that sounds like just a totally American thing to say. And it might, but if it is, I’ll take it. I mean, America is filled with people who have believed that and achieve that. So, so Okay, but I think that what we do is we do a couple of things. And that keep us a little bit stuck or don’t allow us to be open to those opportunities. And, and by the way, I do not mean to imply for one moment, that if you sit back things will come to you, or if you think positively about them, things will come to you. No, no, your job is to hustle, like hustle, hustle, hustle. And I just do not accept that if you’re doing that, and you have good intention, and you’re developing skills and you’re looking to serve people that something will not click like I just don’t i don’t accept that. So the The things that we do I think that get in our way are, first of all, we make assumptions about the outcomes, right? We’re like, well, I could do that. But then you know, this could happen, and this could happen. And then we let all of our fears come up and do the talking for us. Or, or maybe our peers are doing that talking for us out loud. And they’re like, Ah, you can never do that, you know, or let me tell you the three reasons. That’s a terrible idea. But in any case, we make all of these assumptions about the outcome. And I read somewhere, this is not my quote. But I read somewhere if you’re going to make an assumption about the outcome, why not assume that it’s going to be brilliant? And I was like, because I’m not a natural born optimist. I was like, I mean, it just kicked me in the teeth. I was like, I don’t do that. I mean, or, or making that conscious choice is hugely powerful. If you’re going to make an assumption about an outcome, then assume it’s going to be brilliant. Then what does it cost? Do you understand where I’m going with that?
David Ralph [24:57]
I know totally and so hit me. The guy as well, I was desperately trying to Google that to see who said that because it’s that is a game changer, isn’t it? If you start off with something and you go, yes, this is going to work and it’s not just gonna work, this is gonna be amazing. More often than not when the difficulties come, you’ll be able to sort of push your way through because you you know what the end goal is going to be. But it’s when you go. Yeah, I’d like to do a podcast but now our tour Ella, Eddie’s got all the experience and he’s got a network and and it’s got bigger and better. But of course, that’s the assumption on the other side, isn’t it? I like that and I’m gonna do like a lunatic to try to find out who said that.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [25:38]
You know who I think said it. And I think this is so funny. I think it was marisha nuda. I hope I’m saying her name, right. But she’s known as the Paleo chef, but she’s actually like life coach meets someone who makes really amazing food, meet someone who just helps people just kick more but in life, so I’m trying to. It’s not really what I want to say, but I’m trying to keep it I’m trying to keep it clean. But anyway, so So, so that might be, that might be where I read that which I find kind of funny, but she’s a really cool chick. And frankly, she’d be an awesome interview for you. But your audience would love her. And I think that’s where I got it. And and that has honestly been, I don’t, I think it’s so easy for a mantra to become trite. And I think if you listen to a lot of podcasts, you could just it could be like death by mantra. And, but but to me, that’s not a mantra that I that, you know, I don’t have this taped up on my mirror while I’m brushing my teeth in the morning. I just think I catch myself all the time, making critical assumptions or, or letting fear creep in. I’m just like, know what, I’m going to assume that this is going to be amazing. And if I fall short of that, then what did I just lose? What did I just lose?
David Ralph [26:47]
That’s probably a mantra that is worth hearing every single day. And believe me, it never loses its power. This is Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey [26:55]
My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so He made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [27:22]
Now, if we look back on your life, which we normally do a lot earlier, but hey, these are the nuggets of gold that we’ve been sharing with the world. Did you take a risk? Because there seemed to be a part there seemed to be a part that you was on a hard working student studious path. How much of that was preordained? How much of it was stuff that you thought was the right way of going for other than just taking a risk because you think that you would love it?
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [27:49]
Yeah, that’s such a good question. Because I had every everything in my background would lead me toward like, just a very comfortable with Life I had really great had I have really wonderful parents. You know, I enjoy my siblings most of the time. Just kidding. And there are several of them. And they will think that’s funny. And you know, I was raised in a loving household. And, you know, that doesn’t make great internet fodder. All right, I had an education. And I was taught a very strong work ethic, because everyone in the history of my family has worked their way up in the world. So it’s taught a very strong work ethic, but I was checking off the boxes, David, I was getting the good grades, good, not great. Then I was going to the schools I supposed to go to etc, etc. But something in me, has driven me since my young adulthood or my late adolescence, somewhere in there, I don’t know, and just driven me to get out of my comfort zone. So that manifests itself in one way where I’ll go skydiving because I’ve never done that before. But, but again, I’m not living in that type of extreme. It’s just a current that runs through my life where the moment I start to feel like I’m settling into a groove, I will inevitably disrupt my life in some way. So, I’ve been a business owner now for, gosh, over 12 years. And, you know, we were a success were a success story, and it was hard getting there. But we did we got there not that it’s a destination, you know, could all change in two months. But, but I can say, I have established a very successful business and I can say that with some pride, but I don’t what I do is I say, so what do I need to do now? What do I need, I’d never want to be comfortable. So my whole life to me is an attempt to ensure that I never settle and that I intentionally seek out things big and small. That get me out of my comfort zone, like the podcast is a perfect example of that. But there are other examples. I mean, I’m not I don’t gravitate necessarily toward networking and social situations like that, like I’m very sociable and very personal, I love talking with people. But I find let’s see, how do I say this? I don’t go too deep I have my core friends are very, very small, I can count them on one hand and then you know, I’m great. I’m great at parties. But I’m not just like a totally social animal, like so many people that I know are and that succeed in this business. So, so I know that about myself. So what do I do? I of course, drop myself into three completely uncomfortable commitments and situations and do things like I started a mastermind group that’s all women and all business women who are just amazing and and they challenge me and I challenge them, and it’s great. So I started that and I was really uncomfortable doing that. And then I joined a group that I was, like, you know, I’m not really a joiner, that sort of thing. That’s the tape that I play in my head. And then I joined this group, and I learned and I listened. So on and so forth. So it doesn’t have to be jumping out of an aeroplane, it can literally be, you know, if you’re an introvert or you’re uncomfortable, say public speaking, then then you’re getting out of your comfort zone is next time you go to the market or next time you’re somewhere, make eye contact with every single person that you sort of come into contact with and say something to them. So the lady checking you out, make eye contact with her and ask her how she is like that’s, that’s uncomfortable for some people, David. And that’s what I like to sort of get to inspire people to do is to is to say, okay, what’s hard for me? That’s what I’m going to go do.
David Ralph [31:34]
Is that sound crazy? It doesn’t sound crazy at soul. And there was so many questions. So I, I’ve told me to hold him back for two. These are my two questions from that whole speech. Number one, if I took you back in time and said you’ve got the opportunity to create the same company, but you’ve got now would you? Do you love it that much? Or is it a company that you had just developed because you were good at doing what you were doing?
Unknown Speaker [32:00]
You know what my first thought was? Oh, hell no.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [32:04]
And the reason why is because I started that company with, you know, 300 bucks, my business partner, and we had no idea how hard it was going to be. And it was hard, David. And so there is a lot of power and ignorance and again, assuming that the outcome will be brilliant, which is what got me through that. And honestly, when I just think about that, I just think, Oh, I can’t imagine doing that all over again. You
David Ralph [32:32]
know that you look back on it. Yeah, it was hard. It was hard.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [32:37]
We did. I think our and by the way, my business partner is now my husband. So so there’s, there’s a whole nother show for you. But he, he and I, I think our slogan our non marketed slogan for the first year was will work for food, like that’s a really good energy. And and so that climb, you know, It’s hard, it’s brutal. And it’s not over when you’re in business for yourself, and we’re a service business. And in that business, I’m generally selling in really general terms, I’m selling our time for money. And it’s not our time we’re selling very obviously we’re selling results, but it requires us to physically be engaged and be present, which of course is very, very different than the online world where the whole point is to be able to put your heart and soul in it but be able to make some passive income so it’s very, very different. And that is there’s just no two ways about it. It’s just really really hard work but it’s obviously been utterly fulfilling the people that I work with truly are just amazing, and I love it. I wouldn’t have traded the experience for the world would I do it all over again? I can’t honestly say I don’t know. I don’t know maybe I would have maybe I would have been a leader in the podcast movement when it when without actually when I don’t know how old it is. 10 years yeah. 10 years, isn’t it? Yeah.
David Ralph [34:00]
Yeah, so So did you love the podcasting? Did does that sort of bring you alive somehow?
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [34:07]
Yes. And I am I told you I’m a walking contradiction. I have a heart for business I love the companies that I work with now are large, large, global, publicly held, you know, 123 billion dollars in revenue, you know, big, okay. And then what I like to do in the margins of that business is I like to work with small business owners, which is where I cut my teeth and how I really learned the art of business and really learnt, you know, learned got got the real kind of education that you get when you leave school. And so I have a real heart for small business owners and owner operated businesses. And so I’ll pick maybe one or two a year and just work with them. Typically, I know them quite well and then I’ll just work with them. Just not I don’t I don’t charge anybody for it. Because I just enjoy that so much. So my point is, I love business. I love it. And I love helping people achieve things That’s kind of my DNA. It’s what gets me going. podcast is totally different. Because on air with Ella came out of my desire that it has nothing to do with business in any way. Although you can carry the skill, it’s certainly transferable skills, but it came out of my another side of my life or I don’t even know how to explain it. But I just believe that we are all extraordinary. And I believe we let time go by and dampen that feeling. Or maybe we never had it because we grew up in an environment that never no one ever told us. We are extraordinary. Whatever your circumstance may have been, I believe we are all truly like amazing. And I love love helping people figure that out or get back in touch with that or kind of plucking on that cord inside of them somewhere that they haven’t really paid any attention to for a while. And so the podcast You know, when you look at it, it says fitness, nutrition and mindset and I was really concerned about that because I am not a fitness guru. I’m, you know, I’m an athlete. But that’s that’s one tiny portion of my life. And I didn’t want people to look at that and go, Well, I don’t work out and I don’t want 2% body fat. So that show is not for me. And it’s really every single show is about mindset. So we might start off with nutrition, but we end up with mindset, we might start off with, you know, how to how you should be moving your body and we get to mindset because it’s at the core of absolutely everything. That was a bit of a speech.
David Ralph [36:29]
I think it was good speech. As she was talking. I was thinking, yeah, I suppose that is the that’s the thing that makes something powerful. I think when you have a core focus, you know, my show, I think, basically, it’s down to overcoming fear. I think literally every episode 350 episodes, whatever. It’s about overcoming fear and getting going. And the fact that none of us have got the answers and we all try stuff and some work, some don’t. But you keep on moving on. So I think I think you’re doing the right thing on your show. I think you’ll niching down within a category that people are interested in. But you’ve got a ethos to your show that will get people coming back time and time again.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [37:10]
Yeah, well and we try to have fun and I don’t take anything too seriously. And I believe every person puts their pants on one leg at a time so I’m not jumping you know,
David Ralph [37:19]
I’ll jump in. That’s how that’s the only exercise I do I bounce and try and get both legs in at the same time.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [37:25]
I’m gonna have to see that so if you could please create a little video and put it on YouTube but we will all watch it. I think the only difference and I mean this I think the only difference between what you’re doing with Join Up Dots and what I’m doing with on air with Ella is that we have put the last layer is different and everything underneath is the same. And let me tell you what I mean by that. We are just trying to inspire through our own experience but also through by bringing experts on and storytellers on to to tell captivating stories and give Actual tools to get there. We’re trying to tell people, like just go do something because you are inherently amazing. You inherently have the have gifts that literally no one else has the same gifts that you do, no one else has the unique concoction that you do. And so just like just go try. And I think that that’s what I think that’s what frankly anyone out there who’s truly creating value in this space is really actually doing now you have obviously a business slant, your last layer is through a business lens and my last layer is not through my business lens, but through my my lens that I see the world that you know, if you’re not taking care of yourself, it’s going to be really hard to call yourself a success anywhere else. So I’m actually going to talk to you through the lens of taking care of your mind and body because I truly believe that like having all the money in the world, having all the success in the world and dying at 68 is like just not a great plan. So let me help you also get your physical body where the rest where you’re trying to get the rest of your life.
David Ralph [38:58]
So as always keeping the You to be totally authentic to yourself. Do you feel that? If I met you and you were wearing be a business attire? Would you be exactly the same as if you were wearing your PJs? Are you totally authentic? Or do you play different parts dependent on what you’re doing?
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [39:16]
Oh, gosh, you’re such a good interviewer. That’s such a good question. I have a burning need to answer it authentically. So I don’t know if that tells you anything. And I think anyone I think very few people can be 100% authentic all the time. And I’m not sure that it’s a great idea. And I’ll tell you what I mean by that. I mean, yeah, I’m motivated to be me. I don’t I don’t you know, I think my it when I was in high school, you know, we had these annuals, these yearbooks. I think my senior quote in in high school was never like I’m gonna mess this up, but never worry about what people are. never explain anything. Your true friends won’t need it and the others won’t believe you anyway. was a little you know, punk High School, but it was also like a lot of true. So never explain anything your true friends don’t need it and the others won’t believe you anyway. Well, you could get carried away with that, obviously. But what I mean is i have i’ve been gifted with kind of a lack of regard for what other people’s opinions about me are. And the way I look at it is because I think humility is extremely important. And I do not want this to be confused for arrogance because it is strictly different. I really care about how I make people feel. And I don’t really care what people who don’t know me think about me does that. Does that make sense? And I never really have it, so that’s fine. Yeah, but I think that’s, that’s
David Ralph [40:43]
true. And I’ll tell you story about myself. If you put me in a room with 100 people, and 99 of them think they’re great and one of them thinks I’m a complete idiot. I wouldn’t even give any time to the the 1% I would just switch off on it. You put my wife in a room and the same scenario she would want to know why that 1% didn’t like her What What have I done? So for you to be in that kind of mindset, once again sets you on a path where but knocks will bounce off, you’re not really looking for approval Are you you are playing to your strengths. If somebody loves a batch your loyal customer, and if somebody doesn’t mean by you can go elsewhere.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [41:24]
I think that not seeking validation is a muscle that I would encourage everyone to try because so we are so conditioned to seek validation. And women particularly if I may generalise. Our This is definitely wired in innately and you can you can send me an email about that and tell me I’m it’s not true. But I actually think that it’s like, I think there’s actual science behind that. So I actually think that there’s a lot of programming there, whether we’re born with it or whether it’s our society, programming that in but I mean just look at social media. It’s We weren’t all seeking validation in some way. And again, all generalities are wrong, but just go with me here. If if we did not, as a massive as a collection of people have an inherent desire for validation, social media would look very, very different. Like there would be a lot less selfies in the world. Do you? Do you know what I mean?
David Ralph [42:20]
Well, I know what you mean on that. And I also know when you were saying, you know, send me an email, you were basically gonna say, and I will tell you, you’re wrong. Yeah. You were just fighting back in when you?
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [42:34]
Well, I love talking to my female friends. And I mean, I don’t I don’t love like, drawing gender lines at all. I think it’s not usually useful. But in this case, the story that I will share with you is that I do find that a lot of my peers are seeking validation on on every level from what they’re wearing, to the way they show up to whether they should and I think that men and women alike have that as a hurdle in their way that prevents them from going out on a limb or pursuing their passion or be more entrepreneurial or fill in the blank. And so I just say, you know, rubbish, chuck it and go do and if the world wants to talk about you, I mean, really David, who’s even talking about you, like, who’s really if they’re talking about you, they’re literally talking about somebody else Five minutes later, so, like, how can you care about that? But people do
David Ralph [43:28]
though, don’t they and the listeners who are listening to me listening to you to get that spark to change their life because they’re not happy. They are worried what other people think only they’re worried about putting their head about the cubicle, in case they get noticed. But in their heart of hearts, I want to get noticed, they want to create, they want to be inspirational, all the kind of things that we want as human beings. And ultimately, we kind of want that so that we will get what you’re talking about. We will get that recognition and I know With my show, and I’ve got this big banner in front of me and I talk about it all the time because I love this banner, and it Steve Martin, the comedian, and he simply says, be so good until they can’t ignore you anymore. And I use that as a kind of, yeah, just keep going at it, keep going at it, keep going at it, something’s going to happen. But ultimately, you could change it on be so good. So you get recognised, don’t you?
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [44:21]
You can and I think it goes back to the search for significance versus the search for service or to use your words to be a value. So I would probably if I stole your poster from you, I would probably put it up on my wall and I would pay for it. Now I would win. Thank you.
David Ralph [44:39]
Word. You’re saying a manly podcast. I will get beaten by girl
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [44:46]
yeah, yeah. Okay. So I think that I would say be have so much value meaning be have so much service that they can ignore you. And I’ve learned from people who really have Master that as the way they live their life, and I’m just a tiny little infant in that journey. But I’m trying and I’m trying to look at the world through that lens and just be like, how can I help you in a way that I’m gifted to help you? And that’s a funny thing to say, right? But But think if you start thinking about yourself that way, it’s just a totally different perspective. And I have one more quick thing to add to that something that I suffered from chronically and I still find it. And that is comparison. I think the comparison trap is so dangerous, and it sort of ties into like the scarcity mentality versus an abundance mentality. And so when you compare yourself to anyone out there, like I could have done this, I could have said, Well, I want to watch this podcast, I have zero experience. And I have to literally learn every detail about it. I mean, from how to even record Well, I mean, you know, you know, how much detail goes into it and, and and I could have looked at that and said David Ralph out there, and he is just killing it. And I can’t, that means there’s not enough success for me. So I’m not going, I’m just I’m probably not going to do that, because he’s already doing that. And he’s doing it really well like that scarcity mentality. And I think that one of the things that we do, and again, I do this chronically, is we will compare ourselves, you might compare yourself to something you see on social media, when you’re looking at someone’s highlight reel, and it looks like their life is perfect. And you’re like, well, they’re tan and happy, therefore, there’s less sun for me, you know what I mean? That type of mentality. Or you might compare yourself to someone in your field, or you might compare yourself to someone in your office. And that just drives me batty. And again, I’m pointing my finger at me first, I’m not preaching. I’m saying this is something that I literally have to reprogram all the time in my own head, and I’m pretty good at it now, but it took me a long time to even realise that that’s what I was doing. And I think that I think that a lot of the people that are listening might relate to that day. I don’t know if you do but you just, it’s really easy to shut yourself down when you compare yourself to something. And that’s not even really the full story.
David Ralph [47:08]
When I started this show, I was very, very fortunate in my head. I’d convinced myself there was four other shows out there. And I will name the shows the soda printer hour with Michael O’Neill, Entrepreneur on Fire in the trenches, and something else I can’t remember now. So I was only going to go against these four shows. Now honestly, if I had gone into it in more depth and dabbled around and saw there was 100,000 shows or whatever there is, I don’t think I would have done it. I think that reason the competition would be too fierce. Now, that’s from my side of the fence, but from your side of things, you seem to be a lady that if I say to you, you can’t do something, you’re gonna go Yes, I can. The fact that you left at the chance of beating me in an arm wrestle which is never gonna happen. I would go easy and just let you win. But the Batman came up and you went, yeah, I’m gonna win. Where did this competitive streak come from? Because I don’t think scarcity actually matters to you. I think that you would see that as a challenge.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [48:12]
Oh, boy, that’s a loaded question. Um, the true answer has to be my DNA. And I was raised by, you know, some interesting parents, and there’s interesting lineage and my family and I just come from a long line of actually typically men who are just hard charging, and who just go out there and grab the brass ring, and they don’t let anything get in their way. So my grandfather did not have an education past eighth grade, he became a two star general in the army. And at that time, you could, you know, that was World War Two era and he parlayed that into an executive position and he was, you know, a, an executive in New York for the rest of his career and did very, very well for himself. You know, he was starving at age 11, after he left school because he had to take care of his family. So, so that’s my mom’s father. And then you have my dad, who was raised entirely different down in the south eastern. And he was just poor. There’s just no two ways about it. He was poor, his parents had to scrap their life together, he was raised by, you know, loving parents, and that’s an enormous advantage, but he didn’t have anything gifted to him. And he ended up going to West Point, which is the United States Military Academy, and that education is free, if you are accepted, and he parlayed that into a very successful career, you know, he left the military eventually and, and, and, and went on but so that’s, I have to give some, you know, I don’t know credit or blame my DNA and the fact that I had parents who, who were like, yeah, you know, go you can do anything that lines with, you know, they weren’t like, they weren’t unrealistic, but they just said you, you can do anything and they got frustrated with me. When I didn’t do my best at something. They weren’t like, Oh, it’s okay. We don’t want to hurt herself esteem
David Ralph [50:15]
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [50:16]
Oh gosh, it depends on it depends on the issue for sure. It totally depends on the context. So, you know, sometimes I was like, Just leave me alone and I want to go be average. And I was I was really unremarkable, just just for the record. And they weren’t holding me against an ideal standard where they’re like, well, look at this, this is what this kid did or whatever, they weren’t like that at all. They did not compare me and they had four children, so they were probably just too busy to even think about it. But they, they were saying, you know, if I if I slacked off they were saying that’s not who you are. And so that that ended up in my programming somewhere, you know, if I slack off if I settle if I let my fitness go or my nutrition go or my sleep, go because I’m travelling like crazy, you know, somewhere in the back of my head, there is is a pre programmed message that says that’s not who you are. And David, not everybody got that some people got, in fact, the exact opposite. They got programmed when they were young. That’s who you are. So don’t even try.
David Ralph [51:13]
But I mean, keeping the ubo is, as we sort of came to, probably 40 minutes ago, you always felt different. You always felt that you were you were leading towards something, although in those early days, you didn’t know what it was. And was this because of your parents? Was this because you were being pushed on a path that you didn’t think was yourself? Where did you get that from? Because I think that is the key. That is the least but that’s the Ella of the show, isn’t it?
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [51:42]
Oh, I think that’s I think You make it sound so much better than it is. I mean, I did not have some people have really hard charging parents. I did not. And I don’t mean to imply that I just had parents who believed in me and who challenged me and didn’t let me get comfortable and I’m so grateful for that. But then I I don’t know I put myself in situations like that that constantly made me challenge myself and and I still do and and I love that and that’s what keeps me going. And so where did that come from? I don’t know, why does some people haven’t and some people don’t I don’t know. It’s not all circumstance David for sure I know so many people who have had such trial and tribulation in their youth and something in them was like, This is not who you are. And I think that I think that people who have a faith, it’s really evident because they know where that message is coming from. You know, I know that somebody loves me and somebody made me to be amazing. And, you know, you lose a lot of people when you use a word like faith or God, but I do believe that at the end of the day, you have to learn or hear from somewhere that you are worth something. And I am like, if I can just I can’t make someone feel that themselves. Like that’s so arrogant to think that you can But if I anything I do in anything you do can open people’s eyes to the fact that they were actually designed to be like this gift, then that’s like that’s a. That’s a pretty cool thing. What inspired that me I have no idea
David Ralph [53:16]
what let’s bring on some words, but I would say 10 years ago, and this is Steve Jobs, his whole theme of the show, but he, he openly uses the word faith. He wasn’t frightened to use that word. So Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [53:29]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart. Even when it leads you on The well worn path, and that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [54:04]
So keep going to those words that he’s talking about.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [54:07]
Oh, I mean, I live those. Absolutely. And I struggle with reminding myself of that. And I think that a lot of I think that a lot of people do. So you have things that happen, they throw curveballs in your life, or, you know, life is messy David, and so there are just areas of my life that I’m like, I’m gonna win, is that going to resolve itself? Or how is that going to get fixed? Or why is that occurring? And you can focus on that and you can see these people you can see that people that focus on those dots and say, how are they going to connect what you know, where Why is this happening in my life? Why is this happening to me, and the people who focus on those dots are entirely missing the big picture. And so I keep trying to train my eye on you know, just keep moving, keep moving, keep doing keep doing with all of the, the right elements and right intention. in place, and do I believe that ultimately will look back and it will all make a pretty picture? No, do I believe that we will look back at the end of this road and say, Oh, that’s my picture. That’s what it was supposed to look like. Yeah. And it’s never pretty. I mean, maybe somebody dots line up, and they’re beautiful. And they made this nice little pretty picture. But that Amy, I don’t know about, you
David Ralph [55:24]
know, somebody said to me, and I’ve mentioned this a couple of times on the show, but if you look at all pictures get really up close, they’re all dots. And we just can’t see at the time. So we’re almost too close to our picture. And we need to sort of like step away from it. And those dots ultimately will create something amazing. And I like that and I like the fact that when I said to you, you know would you build this company again you in because you look back now and those bad times were actually what’s made you who they are. And it’s it is the bad times that really build isn’t Good times a good to have, but I don’t really teach us anything. But the bad times are the ones that really show us what we should be doing.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [56:07]
Yeah, isn’t that funny? Thanks. Thanks universe, that really the you know, the struggle is the struggle is where the most value ultimately lies. So kind of sucks, but it’s entirely true and it doesn’t really like it. Obviously, there’s a beauty to it, but it’s hard to appreciate when you’re in it for sure. And I mean, who one of the things that’s dangerous is for people to talk about their life as though they have achieved success. And therefore, there it is. I mean, wow, if I’d only known how hard it was to get here. Well, I’m not anywhere. I’m not here. I’m not arrived at some destination. I struggle every single day, every single week with something else. And so I think that’s also just really important to call out is to make this all sound neat and tidy, like, Oh, you know, I went to business school and then I did this and then I got started this company and who that was hard, but now I’m a huge Success and everything’s dandy. And then so I started this new project, and it’s doing really well. I mean, there is so much struggle behind anyone who’s doing things well. And I just think it’s important to, to pull that out. So I love what you do. I mean, I love, love, love the theme of your show, I love the way that you make this make sense with the Join Up Dots, you know, metaphor. And I just want to remind people that struggle is where you get great. So that’s where the beauty is. So just, that sounds annoying if you’re in the storm, but anyone who’s made it through the storm knows that that’s true.
David Ralph [57:36]
Well, just before we send you back in time that the one thing that I really wanted to touch base on with you was the fact that I saw a picture of you on a surfboard doing a handstand, and you’re sort of wearing a bikini or whatever and I hope this was you guys or because it’s been etched in my mind for about the last three days. And I looked at that and the first of all, I thought somebody must be underneath that surfboard, holding Being a straight man. No, probably not. So how long did that take? Because that must have been a struggle that must have been persistence at his best.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [58:09]
Oh, I love it. Okay,
I’ll tell you the story behind the photo and it is none of those things Okay, so, on my 40th birthday, I went to Grand Cayman a place that I love with my love My husband whose English by the way, which is why you and I get along so well. And he and I went to Grand Cayman and I was we decided to get some paddle boards. So paddle boards guys stand up paddleboarding. You’ve seen it probably around now you stand up on them and you have a little or a paddle and you paddle around. Well, that’s great and a lake but in the ocean, you know, there are waves. So he and I took these paddle boards out, and we were having some fun with them. And I said, You know, I can do a handstand. You know, that’s part of you know, I incorporate a little bit of yoga into my fitness right? Man, and I said to him, take my camera, I have a waterproof camera and I said, Take my camera, I’m going to do something insane. And if I do it, it needs to be documented. Like
David Ralph [59:11]
say, you just be on holiday lay on a bed, you’ve got to go out and challenge but take a photo of it at the same time.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [59:20]
Well, that is correct. Yeah. And and the photo was just this is oh my goodness, I’ll try to make this quick. But this photo is everything and I’ll tell you why. It is so so so I had never been on a pedal board before actually before that day. And so he and trying to hold a camera. Oh, you’re on a paddleboard, like that was not nice to do to him anyway. So he’s on a pedal board on one pedal board, and I said, I’m gonna do this. It’s insane. But if I do it, you know, please get a picture. And so so I go and do a handstand on the pedal board and I only did it once. And I’ve done it since but I just did it that one time I didn’t fall over. I didn’t try and fall and try and fall. I did it one time. He got the string And, and I was just like, oh, that’s amazing. That was so cool. And so what’s so funny is on air with Ella didn’t exist at that time. And when I saw that photograph, this is gonna sound so stupid, I apologise. But when I saw that photograph, and I was like, you know what I just did that it gave me for some reason. And it probably was. It probably was the weird way the universe works. But something in me was like, you know what I can, if I can, I can do this. Like, I can start a little web page. And so I actually started my web page. Based on that photo. Is that not the dumbest thing you’ve ever heard in your life?
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [1:00:39]
David Ralph [1:00:40]
think it ties up with every single episode that I’ve ever recorded. That look sometimes is that the most simple stupid things that actually give you to believe it could be having a pint in the pub, and somebody just says that one thing. It could be the fact that you’re sitting on a bus and you fought just goes into your mind, you know, it can be anything, doesn’t it? And that’s the beauty of it. If you’re ready for that moment, when that thing comes along, then that is the door that opens in, you walk through. And as you were saying at the beginning, life will throw you opportunity after opportunity, but it’s just up to us to keep on reaching out and grabbing those opportunities. And that’s what you did your door opened upside down on the surfboard. That’s a bit weird. And you actually went through it.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [1:01:23]
Well, you have said it brilliantly. And I appreciate you letting me stumble through that because I’ve never actually shared that before. You know. So a lot of people just think that’s some sort of cheesecake shot that I put up on the internet. And actually, you won’t find a lot of pictures of me in a bathing suit on the internet. But that photo is so important to me. So there it is,
David Ralph [1:01:42]
when I found that one I found that is now my screensaver. It’s my fav I agree picture there. Right? Okay, this is the end of the show now. And this is the part when we send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young Ella, what age would you choose and what advice would K what we’re gonna find out cuz I’m gonna play the theme tune and when it fades, you’re up. This is the Sermon on the mic.
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [1:02:30]
Okay, that made me giggle. Um, I would go back to teenage me somewhere right before you really become an adult. So somewhere around 1718. And I would say just act because knowledge isn’t power. And so filling your brain with things and studying people and reading amazing books and getting a great education like knowledge itself isn’t power, knowledge applied, is power. So take action and don’t wait to be good enough. And if you if you toil, if you wait until you’re great, you will never ever start. And so I would say there’s enough success for everyone. So just go grab your ring.
David Ralph [1:03:12]
Hello, how can that audience connect with you?
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [1:03:15]
Thank you for asking professional me is on LinkedIn, I don’t really maintain a website for the tri VISTA group because we don’t really market ourselves. We’re really in a niche and so we don’t have all of the things you’re supposed to have for the tri VISTA group but I am on LinkedIn and I’m the only Elizabeth Lucas a Brit that I’m aware of on planet earth so you can find me there and then if you want to learn a little bit about how to just be the best you the optimal you or maybe just move the needle a little bit then please come over to the on air with Ella page on Facebook. So it’s just under on air with Ella and then of course you find me in iTunes, wherever you listen to your podcasts as on air with Ella Thanks for letting me share that
David Ralph [1:03:56]
no absolutely will have all the links on the show notes and believe me listeners obviously Listen to Join Up Dots first but main go over, go over to on air with no, because it’s a great show, there’s 12 episodes, and you’ll find a lot. And I think in many ways, as Ella was saying, It complements what I’m doing on this show very well so you can get a double burst of motivation whenever you want it. Well, and I thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining those dots. Please come back again when you have more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. And I thank you so much,
Elizabeth Lucas-Averett [1:04:30]
David, thank you and keep rocking it.
David Ralph [1:04:34]
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