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Introducing Shannon Kaiser
Shannon Kaiser is today’s guest on the Join Up dots podcast interview.
Shannon is a lady that I heard on a show, and loved the passion for life, and the leap of faith that she took so dramatically.
Several years ago, she was diagnosed with clinical depression and suffering from drug addictions, eating disorders and corporate burnout, she hit rock bottom.
And in that position of rock bottom, in that darkness she found the light.
She realized she had the power to bring herself to happiness…and that is exactly what she did.
Yep leap of faith time came beckoning, and she left her high-powered job in advertising to follow her heart and engage in the work she does today.
Now this isn’t a story, when as soon as she landed from the leap she hit the ground running and had it all planned out.
How The Dots Joined Up For Shannon
She started her journey, and began documenting her odyssey on the website she had built “playwiththeworld.com.”
And now her dream to be a writer, happy, inspired and and of course an inspiration to many across the world has come true.
She is the bestselling author of Find Your Happy, an Inspirational Guide to Loving Life to Its Fullest, and a six-time contributing author to Chicken Soup for The Soul.
Her work has been recognized in media outlets across the world such as Good Morning America, Good Day New York, Inside Edition, HuffPost Live, Health Magazine and Australian Vogue and she is an online columnist for Huffington Post, MindBodyGreen, Healing Lifestyles & Spas and The Daily Love.
Wow, everything she does is to help us connect with our true self and without apology to live your authentic purpose.
She teaches people how to courageously follow their heart.
So can she remember the night before she went into her advertising job and told them all..”I’m off to follow my heart”?
And does she see now the world with different, knowing eyes, and cant quite understand why the rest are struggling to see things the same way?
Well lets find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots, with the one and only Shannon Kaiser
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Shannon Kaiser such as:
How when Shannon Kaiser left the corporate world she had to ask herself the big question “What is the worst that come happen!” and found out it wasn’t too bad!
Why it is so important to go back to your parents house and look for the clues of achievement that link you to your younger self.
How we can always find the time to do the things in life that are truly important to us, and that will show where your passion is building.
How she fought against taking on coaching clients in the beginning, as she was convinced that she wasn’t able to do it, and she now sees she was limiting herself.
Why we should take time to get to truly grateful in our lives, and be thankful for the things we have all around us.
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Full Transcription Of Shannon Kaiser Interview
David Ralph [0:00]
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when we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK. David Ralph
David Ralph [0:37]
Yeah, yes Hello there everybody and welcome to Join Up Dots. This is Episode 361. And of course I say this all the time in the intro man said it. It’s David Ralph coming from the United Kingdom. Yes, at the back of his garden. Well, I record but we are going across the pond again today because we’ve got a lady on the show but I actually heard on another show and love the passion for life and believe leap of faith but she took so dramatically. Now several years ago, she was diagnosed with clinical depression and suffering from drug addictions, eating disorders and corporate burnout. She quite simply hit rock bottom. And in that position of rock bottom, in that darkness, she found the light she realised she had the power to bring herself to happiness. And that is exactly what she did. Yeah, leap of faith time came back in and she left her high powered job in advertising to follow her heart and engage in the work she does today. Now, this isn’t a story when as soon as she landed from the leap, she hit the ground running and had it all planned out. She started her journey and began documenting her Odyssey on the website she had built play with the world.com she didn’t really know what she was going to be doing. And now her dream to be a writer happy, inspire. And of course, an inspiration to many across the world has come true. And she’s the best selling author of find your happy and inspirational guide to loving life to its fullest and a six time contributing offer to our mate Jack’s book Chicken Soup for the Soul. Yes. work has been recognised in media outlets across the world such as Good Morning America. Good day New York inside edition huffpost live Health magazine and Australian Vogue and she’s an online communist but not a communist who was a columnist for Huffington Post a mind body green healing lifestyles inspires and that I the love Wow, everything she does is to help us connect with our true self. And without apology to live your authentic purpose. She teaches people how to courageously follow their heart. So how can she remember? And can she remember I suppose the night before she went into an advertising job and told them Oh, I have to follow my heart. And does she now see the world with different knowing eyes and can’t quite understand why the rest of struggling to see things the same way? Well, let’s find out as we bring onto the show, to start joining up dots with the one and only Shannon Kaiser. How are you Shannon?
Shannon Kaiser [2:50]
Hi, I’m so great. I’m happy to be here.
David Ralph [2:53]
Have you ever been called a communist before?
Shannon Kaiser [2:57]
No. I had to laugh that was that was wonderful. Thanks. Definitely not I’m a columnist but that made me chuckle. It’s all about the last.
David Ralph [3:04]
Absolutely. I’ve never called anyone a communist in my life. So hopefully I’m tapping into a new market and I’m gonna have communist mornings and communist coffee parties and things like that. So you want to add that getting straight to here. I suppose you are somebody that enjoys themselves. You like a laugh. You like to live life to its fullest? And every day is an adventure. Do you sort of wake up in the morning going? What should I do today? Or do you wake up going right? I’ve planned it already. I know what I’m going to do. I’ve decided the night before.
Shannon Kaiser [3:35]
That is a fantastic question. And you know, part of my journey and learning how to be the happiest me is letting go of that exact plan. I used to really try to control my environment I was very stuck on it had to look a certain way both when I was in corporate and when I first left and started to find my passion, but I am 100% committed to the adventure of life. So as I wake up now, I have to sort of plan you know, I am Meeting with you. I’m doing writing I’m working on my books, but I really allow myself to be guided to what is going to be bringing me the most joy and it’s such a fulfilling way to live.
David Ralph [4:10]
So if the most enjoyment is to be just to snuggle the pillow for another two hours will that when Can Can you be that flexible but I lay in bed, or you don’t say colding leggins in America, what do you call it? Sleeping stone you sleep in? Yeah, sleep and
Shannon Kaiser [4:26]
I love that. I’ve never heard that. Yeah,
David Ralph [4:27]
United Kingdom. We called it lane. And I remember saying it to a guest probably about 200 shows ago, and they had no idea what I was talking about. Yes, I sleeping. So we’re sleeping when?
Shannon Kaiser [4:40]
I’m certainly glad you clarified that. And you know what, just two days ago I have this beautiful golden retriever who wakes me up in the morning and he wanted to cuddle so we had a whole extra 45 minutes of cuddle time. And it was the most amazing way to start the day. So yes, most days if I don’t have coaching appointments or first thing in the morning kind of things that I need to be part of I will allow myself to listen to my body, which means waking up just hanging out. So yeah, the lands will win in my life.
David Ralph [5:09]
I’m gonna play this recording to the wife and say 45 minutes. time in the morning is the way to start the day. And Shannon says it.
Shannon Kaiser [5:18]
It’s the way to be happy. It might be the prescription for happiness.
David Ralph [5:22]
Absolutely. But it will make me happy. So So it is kind of it’s not bizarre because you’ve done this yourself and you decide it is it is a plan of action to be this way. But it is bizarre when so many of us are trapped in a routine where we’ve got to get up and we’ve got to go and we’ve got to do this and our whole life is quite simply responsibilities and being told what to do. Do you look back in your previous life, your previous incarnation and think to yourself,
Shannon Kaiser [5:51]
David Ralph [5:52]
I really can’t see how I put up with that for so long.
Shannon Kaiser [5:57]
You know, that’s a beautiful question because I Go back to my younger self quite a bit both in my articles and just mentally and I realised that all of it was part of a bigger plan. So for me, I did the best I could as you shared, I was diagnosed with clinical depression, I felt stuck. He got so bad that I actually was crying on the way into work like suffocating with my tears. I even was crying at work. It was so exhausting to be in that life. So I know so much what so many people are going through I lived it and breathe it and I’m not saying everyone just quit all your responsibilities, go you know, sleep in and lay in every morning. It’s really about connecting with you in your best self. I found what brings me the most joy and in doing that it’s helping and serving other people and teaching them to find their authentic purpose and passion. And so I definitely have only compassion for people who are feeling like they can’t make it through the day because there is a way to make it through and keep holding on for that hope and the happiness will come.
David Ralph [6:56]
It is a shame but my show is on the air and your platforms but because really we kind of wonder why are we required? You know, people should be able to find this in themselves, but you just can’t Can you when you’re on that journey that you’ve started, when you’re sort of 13, I suppose, and you’ve going through the education system, and you’ve got to get a job, everything seems to be, you’ve got to, you’ve got to you got to get your qualification. You got to pass your exams, you’ve got to do this, you’ve got to do that. And really, in a simple way, we should know ourselves, shouldn’t we, we should know that we’re actually setting ourselves on the wrong path. But for some reason, we don’t.
Shannon Kaiser [7:34]
You said it best. There’s no education on how to trust yourself. There’s no education on how to really listen to your heart. It’s not our parents don’t even know so they don’t often teach us. And we get to these places in our life where we’ve been in a corporate job or just a job or in relationships that suffocate our soul, and we feel stuck. And we have these moments where we wake up and we realise this is all there is. And I’m a firm believer that we learned the way on the way so I think there is a great need for people who are doing it like us who Here we are in the middle of the day or the middle of the night, being able to do what we love and helping others because it helps shine light on the others who are feeling stuck. And so for a lot of the listeners, recognise that what you’re going through, you’re actually learning part of pieces of a puzzle, so to speak. It’s it’s life. And we all have these adventures in these journeys. And what you’re going through is possible to overcome it by just kind of connecting the dots as you move forward.
David Ralph [8:25]
Well, that’s why we called the show Join Up Dots because it’s I
Unknown Speaker [8:28]
know, like I did, that was a perfect
David Ralph [8:31]
segue. But it is a powerful statement to make every single day we talk about this how, even if you’re in a situation that is crappy, but it’s something in it, there’s some gift in it for you to take right to your next step. And it’s up to you while you’re in it, to try to find that now that the thing is afterwards is quite easy to look back in Join Up Dots and you can think to yourself, yeah, I can see what I was doing there. But at the time, you can’t somehow Can you
Shannon Kaiser [8:58]
No, no, definitely not. And again, it comes back to being in the journey. I look back often. And, you know, actually, just about three days ago, I had this moment where I left with pure joy. And I said, You know what? Higher Power yourself Shannon inner guide, you knew what you were doing, didn’t you because it all came together, I have a book coming out, things are really flowing. And it’s like I thought about the struggles that I faced and it didn’t make sense. And I thought it was off track. And you know, starting your own business in itself is a very kind of treacherous trail for many entrepreneurs. And you don’t know if you’re on the right track, and most of us want certainty. And that’s actually why we stay in situations that hurt our selves we we want to know that it’s going to work out and fear of the unknown is one of the biggest debilitating, so I think addressing that fear, and maybe asking yourself, what’s the worst that could happen? And that’s what I did when I first left corporate I said, Well, okay, I don’t know how I’m going to make money as a writer. People tell me writers don’t make money. I’m not gonna listen to them. I have a message I want to share. So what is the worst that could happen? That would happen? And then I went through that process and I realised it probably won’t happen. And then on top of that, it’s not that bad after all. So once we address our fear and dive in things really shift.
David Ralph [10:09]
Well, you attracted to the world of advertising because it seems that you like the written word. It was it that kind of half passion, you kind of knew vaguely what you should be doing. So you went into that world.
Shannon Kaiser [10:22]
You know, I love that you’re saying that because I was actually a graphic designer and art director. So I did the design portion which has served me well because all of my branding and play with the world and book covers are designed by me. So I have that but I actually went into advertising. I even wrote a mission statement, I went back and saw my first kind of resume to make a difference in people’s lives. So I thought and believed that I was would sell products to people and it would improve their lives. But once I got into the industry, I found it was a little bit different, at least the products I was working on. I didn’t have any connection to and it felt very, very forest and lifeless, and I realised my soul desire to make people’s Life’s better has always been with me but I had the wrong kind of outlet so to speak.
David Ralph [11:06]
So if we took you right back to the very sort of little Shannon the little running around with scabs on a nice kind of Shannon, where we had one of those girls that was always looking for the new friend I’m always fascinated by the little version when you’re sitting Yeah, I love little me and the kids and the kid comes in new kid. Well, you’re the one that went Yeah, I look after him. I look after him for today.
Shannon Kaiser [11:29]
You know what, I love that you’re bringing this up because little me as a big part of my coaching and what I do and little me Shannon was actually the one who moved a lot so I was picked on a lot. So I really looked to the friends who looked out for me, little me was actually the one who on recess would go out into the field, believe it or not, with my writing pad. I can’t believe I’m saying this out loud. But I started to write I would write poems about the birds. So granted, third fourth grade you I got picked on a lot. I was the weird kid who drew pictures and wrote but come full circle here. I am. I’m in my mid 30s, absolutely loving life, and playing in nature every day and writing for the world. So our little selves are definitely the best indicator of what’s possible for our future.
David Ralph [12:11]
Well, I agree totally. And it’s one of the things that I say to the listeners quite often. I’ve told this personal story many times, but I actually found out that when I was nine and eight, I used to do interview shows with a little tape recorder. And I look at it now and I found this box of tapes cassette tapes up in my mouth. And it was what I was doing now, basically, and I kind of forgot it somewhere down the line. And when I listened back to this tiny little boys, boys, that was obviously me, and I used to go around asking the bank manager, can I interview you and the baker, and these these adults would let me in, and I’d get my tape recorder, set it on the desk and say to them, you know, what did you want to be when you were little? And some of the questions actually were quite good, you know, but it does tie up and so on. For the listeners, I think one of the best things that they can do is go back to their home, go back to mom and dad’s home, if you can, and root around in the things that sort of still around and look at your swimming badges and your certificates and all the things that you want at school because it’s a high percentage of chance that you actually work very hard at those things because you enjoy doing them.
Shannon Kaiser [13:21]
Right. And that’s the key to I think when we are children, there’s an essence of who we are our pure state 100% authentic self. And then the world starts happening to us we get we realised that there’s, you know, setbacks, there’s divorces, disease, and when we become adults and responsibilities, and that layer upon layer on top of our true self, and it’s really about removing those layers. So I love your idea about going back to your parents house and just kind of rushing through Amazing, amazing tool that that’s actually how I discovered when I first left advertising, I had no idea what I was going to do. And I went back to what did I love to do as a child, and it was writing it was exploring it was going out in nature. And long behold, I’m I’m doing what I love daily.
David Ralph [14:03]
So so let’s sort of lead you up to that leap of faith time, because obviously, with most leaps of faith, it’s not unless you you have an argument with the manager, punch him in the face, and then you’re forced to go, it kind of builds up over a period of time. 100% do you look back on it now and think, yeah, you were close to maybe three or four leaps of faith before you finally found the courage to do it?
Shannon Kaiser [14:25]
Yes, 100% In fact, I had a moment advertisings a very kind of lucrative and unstable career in general with clients and, and there’s a lot of layers. So from one of the firm’s I got laid off, I was laid off, but I received a severance and when I received that sufferin should actually help me, but fear brought me right back into the industry. So even though I kind of knew I didn’t want to be in this business, it was about a six month process for me to fully get enough courage and walk away completely. And in doing that, it was a lot of baby steps. You know, again, not to hash on it, but can Acting the dots. So slowly, I started to disengage. And slowly I started to really I call it building the bridge, it’s so important to build a bridge. And I started to blog at night, I started to really create a solid business plan for my future. And the more steps we take, the more clear we get. And the more everything kind of supports us one step at a time, I got more clear.
David Ralph [15:20]
Now you called it a bridge on this show, we call it the slide of faith, that kind of transitional period before you finally go, I’m ready to go. Now I wasn’t brave enough to just go. I’m going so I saw prepared for it for a certain period of time, building up my until it was the right moment. Now most people out there can do that company. But they moan and groan and around the coffee machine in the morning and they’re saying to people, Oh, I hate this job, whatever. But then they come home in the evening and they plunked themselves in front of the TV and watch four hours before they go to bed and get up and do it again. You’ve got to make that time Haven’t you got to find that time whether it’s on a Saturday morning or on your commute or at lunch. Time or in the evenings? When did you find that? When did you start building that bridge into your life?
Shannon Kaiser [16:06]
Yes, 100% making time I always say we have enough time for what’s really most important to us. And so if we’re more committed to kind of staying stuck, or we’re not clear about our future, then that passion doesn’t really show up. So for me personally, I actually started to write on my lunch breaks. I wrote the whole table of contents for find your happy about a week before I officially left corporate it was it got to a point where I was like crying at my desk, you know, because I stayed in a little bit longer. And I realised this is horrible. I can’t do this. And I left and I had such clarity on what the Table of Contents needed to be. It was my lunch break. And then slowly over the next week, I really each night I started to write more. And then I said, You know what, I’m not doing this anymore. And the pivotal moment for me was actually my mom. She’s a great support for me. It’s great to have mentors and support systems. You need to surround yourself by people who have You up. And we were sitting there and she saw that I was ready to cry. And she said, let me ask you a serious question. What would it take? Why are you staying is what she said first, she said, Why are you saying and what would it take for you to leave? How much money would you need? And I realised the money that I thought I needed was actually in my savings. And it wasn’t nearly as much as I thought I thought I needed to have a whole year planned out of income in case I didn’t make income really, I only needed about two months. And I had that and that was enough courage for me to say, you know what I can leave right now. And guess what? I can figure out the way on the way and that was that that led me to today
David Ralph [17:36]
to wait let you on to your squiggly career, didn’t it because you don’t go from A to B, you go for that two months and when the two months runs out, you look around and go, okay. I don’t want to go back into corporate world. But I don’t mind working in a shop for three days. If it gives me an extra. Did you find that did you seamlessly go through those two months and venues on Your path, or did you have to do other things?
Shannon Kaiser [18:02]
Oh, absolutely. No, it’s been about a four year journey, really, for me to really get up and running from the start. You know, I’ve been doing this now for about six years, but it wasn’t an overnight thing. For me it was and I didn’t just sit there for two months and not you know, I didn’t just sitting right, I actually was looking for other opportunities to make money. I love dogs. So I started dog walking, I started to work, I made really valuable money, how sitting for people who were going on trips, and that allowed me to write from their home and take care of their pets. So I found things that could serve my soul. And then lo and behold, before the two months was it wasn’t even about Oh, two months amount of money because I was constantly finding new ways to bring an income that was actually serving me versus being stuck in a corporate environment. Does that make sense? It
David Ralph [18:49]
makes total sense because I done the same thing when I left my corporate gig. There were certain bills that needed to be paid, but I took such a whack I had to do something to cover those until this gig kicked in, really. And I did. I went for jobs. And it was one of those jobs where you’d be there in body but your mind was elsewhere. Join Up Dots was the exciting thing that I wanted to do. But I knew that I had to do that to get to this point. And I did that and I say to everyone, if you want it bad enough, you will do it. And if you don’t want it bad and have been shut up and put up basically and stay in what happened lane or sleeping or whatever you want to do and just go a pillow because it simply is that moment, isn’t it when you suddenly think to yourself? No, I’m not gonna show up anymore. I’ve got to do this. My heart is leading the way.
Shannon Kaiser [19:45]
100% that is the turning point. And you know, I talked to a lot of young entrepreneurs, who am I personal mentorship and coaching. And one of the main things is they say it feels so hard. I feel like I’m behind and I said you know what, if you were to visit your future self You realise you’re going to be doing this for the rest of your life. Because for you like the show and the work that I do, it is so part of who and what we are. And we can’t really turn it off and you find that transition period. Looking back, that was the shortest three years of my life, even though when I was in it, it felt very hard. I didn’t know how the dots everything’s gonna come together, but it really does. So you put in the hard work, and then all of a sudden, there’s this this switch where it flows.
David Ralph [20:26]
And you start to get notice I love this because it’s right in front of me. So I mentioned it literally on every show, but hey, it’s my show. I can do one on one. And there’s a big banner that I’ve got in front of me with Steve Martin, the comedian space, and it simply says, be so good until they can’t ignore you anymore. And I love with your work. I bet there was a time when you were blogging, blogging, blogging, nobody was commenting on your post, nobody was following, but you still kept on doing it because you’d found the thing you knew in your heart of hearts, that it didn’t matter. money wasn’t going to come in It you just love doing the thing? Is that a key? Yeah, to find out?
Shannon Kaiser [21:06]
Yes, I’m hugging you right now across the pond virtually because I always say put mission over money. The reason I was able to keep going is because I had money coming in from other sources, I would freelance my graphic design, I was working at a retail shop that was in the wellness industry. And I really started to feel my soul with the writing that I did at night. And all yeah, it’s frustrating when you put your heart and soul into these workshops, or these books or whatever it may be, and no one you feel like no one’s responding, but I promise you, I know that the people were seeing it and it was it. I reminded myself at least one person reads this and it helps them that I’ve done my work and that’s that. And it’s not about helping and changing the world on a mass level. Although that gets me up in the morning. It’s really about connecting to that one person who perhaps you can save or help and make a difference. And I think we get lost in the numbers, especially with social media, we get lost in all it has to have to have this many followers. It’s not about that it’s about you doing your work and following your heart.
David Ralph [22:10]
So how do you have that confidence in yourself? Is it simply that you don’t know any better Dude, that you’ve almost burnt your bridges, because one of the things that I find time and time again is, and you said it beautifully, but fear kind of pushed you back into the same role because I used to work with people, and I go, Oh, I hate being in insurance. Oh, I hate working in an office, I’m gonna quit. And I quit. And I end up working in an office for an insurance company somewhere else. And I kind of think, well, it’s that same kind of thing. You’re not gonna like it because it’s not right for you. So how did you know that you was on the right path? How did you know about it was worth going for those three years of dog walking and how sitting in all that kind of stuff?
Shannon Kaiser [22:57]
Yeah, so for me, I think fear in general does one of two things for us. It’s the one number one thing that holds us back. But it either shuts us down and keeps us in kind of a settling mode, or we can use it as fuel. And for me personally, I used it as a wake up call. I said I cannot live my life depressed in corporate, I can’t, I can’t live my life in this position. And I think it’s very important to recognise if we’re running away from something or to something. And so instead of running away from what wasn’t working, I said, I’m going to run to happiness. And I’m going to choose happy. And in doing that, in when it comes back to finding a moment where it makes sense. Is it worth it? I never had a moment where I said, Is it worth it? Because I realised this is bigger than me. It’s not about me. And it has to be worth it. Because if I spend my whole entire life doing this, and I’m like 8090 on my deathbed, and even if I get that far and I haven’t maybe I never get a book deal. is what I thought, you know, three, four or five years ago, and I don’t my blog never takes off, I will still know that I gave it my all. And that’s when I realised I’m all in. And that’s when the shift happened because I stopped putting expectations on it to be successful. And then I realised it’s going to go where it needs to go. And that was a pivotal moment for me.
David Ralph [24:18]
I love that because it’s the expect expectation hangover basically isn’t it is what we think. And I Nick that from a guest. It’s not my phrase, but hey, I’m gonna use Oh,
Shannon Kaiser [24:28]
I love that guest she wrote it. Yes.
David Ralph [24:31]
is a good one. So expectation hangover. When you say, Oh, yeah, I’m gonna do this. And within six months, I’m going to be the host of the tonight show and it’s going to be brilliant. And when you get there, you think, well, no closer. Oh, I failed, but fail because you’ve just built up six months of experience. You’re six months closer. 100%. But what I’m going to do now I’m going to play some words I’m really love and it really emphasises where we are now in our conversation. This is Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey [24:58]
My father could have been a great day. median, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [25:25]
Now, is that the message that really The world needs to buy into should they wake up to every morning when the alarm goes off?
Shannon Kaiser [25:33]
Yes, I think we should actually programme that in because that is at the sole core of why I do what I do. And I love that you play that. Because ultimately, we spend so much time running away from what we don’t want and that fear and settling into something that’s really hurting our souls. And it is something that we need to why not why not go for what you want, but here’s the catch. So many of us haven’t been trained or even conditioned to think about what we want So then the first thought is, why don’t know what I want? And I love that. He said, Well, he could have been a great comedian. Well, maybe he didn’t allow himself. So it really starts with giving yourself permission to be who you are. And that’s why I returned to the little girl who played a nature and wrote poetry.
David Ralph [26:15]
So it was when did you know who you are? When when did the Shannon that was speaking to who’s smiling broadly in the picture that I’m looking at and jumping out of aeroplanes and doing fun things on a daily basis. It looks like you can’t believe that your your Shannon Kaiser is like, Really? I get paid to do this. So when did you suddenly realised that being you was the best person you could be?
Shannon Kaiser [26:40]
I think it’s it’s always been inside of us isn’t it always is but for me, it really did hit hard in a almost aha moment. Where about six months, like I said, after I left corporate the first time and then it took me about six months. It was that moment where I said I cannot do this anymore. I know who I am, and I’m going to do everything. I can’t be that person fully. And every day, we’re always changing and growing. But as far as time wise, it’s maybe four or five years ago from now. So maybe like five years ago from where I sit today, but even so, what happened is I realised this is who you are, and it is so exhausting to try to be someone you’re not. I might as well just be who I really am and accept myself and love myself and put myself out there. And and that in itself has been a beautiful journey because the more true I am To me, the more I’m able to grow this business and share my message with the world. So thank you for bringing that up.
David Ralph [27:40]
Well, it’s one of those things I know but that’s true. And I find that the more I end and that’s one of the things that attracted me to your your platform, play with the world because I say to people, I play on a daily basis I get up to my recording studio, I have great fun, and I get paid for it which is brilliant, but it’s a Easy being you, isn’t it, it’s much harder being somebody else. And that’s, it takes a long time to actually grasp. And I’ve seen that so many times in corporate gig, and I bet you was the same you’d go in and you would pretend to be other people you would be in board meeting 100% trying to be the straight laced, try to fit. You want you to be running down the beach and jumping in the sea and jumping out of aeroplanes and stuff. It’s madness, that we spend so much time and effort pretending to be somebody that we’re not. It’s exhausting.
Shannon Kaiser [28:32]
Yes, it really is. And I think honestly, 100% that’s what play with the world is about. It is about not listening to the world and what the world says you should do or who you should be. It’s about getting in touch with your true self. And that’s what playing with the world is about. And it’s all about playing getting out there. But ultimately, the world is going to tell you what you should do. The real magic of life is you saying no world, this is who I am and then everything you need comes to All the support you need, more people are able to open up and be there for you and you realise your relationships are deeper, you’re more abundant, you’re more fulfilled, and ultimately you have more inner peace.
David Ralph [29:11]
The listeners out there, they’re sitting there, they’re going to their job and they’re going yeah, it’s all right for Shannon. It’s all right. But David, it’s a you know, I’ve got responsibilities. How can you find yourself? How can you find that freedom, that playfulness when your alarm goes off? You’ve got to get to work. You’ve got to come home, you got to deal with the kids. You got to do all that kind of stuff. How can you find the person that you were meant to be? When you’re constantly playing row? You’re playing the employee, the mother, the wife, all those different roles?
Shannon Kaiser [29:41]
Yes, great question. Because the very first thing for me was actually turning to gratitude. Instead of resisting and hating my boss or looking at the clients and saying I hate my life. I actually said you know what, I’m thankful. And when I was thankful for at least being alive that gave me hope to start to find more joy and So what I always suggest to people who do feel stuck or they’re stuck in responsibilities is to find more joy and add more value into what you are doing by bringing yourself into it. So for example, I first went to when I was still in corporate, I felt very stuck. And I, I switched to focusing on thankfulness. I said, Well today, I mean, I make enough money to pay my phone bill, like I literally processed it like a b equals C and that got me through the day, and gratitude and then I went to, I need to express myself, I’m a creative person, and I don’t feel like I’ve been doing that. So how can I be more expressive? And the more I started to add my values into the thing that was causing me the most pain, things started shifting and lo and behold, I bounced right out of there. I literally they laid me off and then you know, I went to another job and I realised it was not good for me to stay. So you see what i’m saying your energy shifts and when your energy shifts, the outcome changes.
David Ralph [30:56]
I like the way you say you bounced out of there. A little But you was a bowl of energy ready to go and they just couldn’t hold you down somehow.
Shannon Kaiser [31:07]
Yes. And that’s what happens. Because a lot of times we vibrate at a level. So if we’re feeling like we hit our job, a lot of other people, let your job hate it too. And a lot of that energy is very much kind of spread throughout the office or the environment. And I started to get happy, I started to choose happiness, and you can’t exist in an environment that doesn’t sustain that. So I started to surround myself with happier people and I took jobs at happier companies. It really did work that way.
David Ralph [31:33]
I had jack Canfield on the show, and I don’t like to keep on talking about him, but he had a big sort of impact on me. And what I loved about him was the fact that he is Uber successful. He is really on his game, but he was really happy for the simple things he was saying. Even if he was a pig farmer, he would be happy he would find the happiness in it. And yeah, if you take us back to I suppose are more spiritual side now I’m not really religious at all, I can sort of take it or leave it. But a lot of sort of religions are based on being grateful. And I’m being thankful you sit at the dinner table and you think, you know, for the day and all that kind of stuff. And so there’s got to be some kind of connection to the successful people. And just being thankful there’s got to be, as you say, a kind of tuning fork effect, but your vibrations get better and it attracts other people into your life. And then you start building momentum.
Shannon Kaiser [32:32]
Yes, that’s exactly how it works. And I think it’s, it’s not even religious or spirituality. It really is kind of the law of the universe, like attracts like, right? So adding some science in there. It’s amazing how when you focus on what you want, you can even do it a little example, how many times have you thought about getting a new car and all of a sudden you see that red car everywhere or a new dog or a new, you know, you start seeing these things that you’re thinking about, and it comes back to what Jim Carrey said why not Not start to focus on what you want or go for what you want. And that’s really the shift that can happen for anyone who feels stuck on the call right now.
David Ralph [33:08]
It is hard. But isn’t it that first mental gear change when you you’ve been used to going? I just need Friday to come so we can go down the pub and moan about the week, I can see how it’s so difficult to actually break from that. And I, I’ve always been a hugely positive person. And I like the fact that when I wake up in the morning, I’ve survived the night because there’s another day ready for me. And I’d hate to die in my bed. That’s where I would like to die. I’d rather die jumping out of an aeroplane or something and living it. But I was always very, very positive. But I used to go to work and I’d hear the same stories from the same people time and time again. And it’s not just bacon open a book. It’s not self development websites. There’s got to be something else that really helps the listeners get going. What would you suggest Because they can buy all the books in the world, they can read all the blogs, they can listen to all the podcasts, but until it hits them, it’s not going to happen. So is there a tip that you would say the very first thing that would be good? If you do it is best?
Shannon Kaiser [34:15]
Yeah, so two things first, with the gratitude, starting small, even drinking your morning coffee, I had to start really small. And I said, You know what, I’m so thankful for this coffee. It tastes good. It’s getting me up. And baby steps your way into the gratitude practice. And then it becomes your natural way of life. I say thank you all time, every moment, because I am thankful. But I had to start with one little thing, taking a sip of coffee that I had never thought about thinking, you know, my gorgeous, you know, future self for enjoying the coffee. But the real tip that I want to share is to nourish the nudge. And I think what I mean by that is nourishing the knowledge that comes to us we have these entire panel thoughts. Every single person on the call is that Thought even to chime in to this show today, even that thought to Hey, maybe I’ll spend a little bit extra time on this project, maybe my boss will pay attention, whatever it may be. The nudges that come to us are very much guiding us to happiness and joy. And our thing is to nourish them, meaning listen to them one step at a time. Is it going to the bookstore, finding that book? Is it opening up your journal and writing again, or pulling out your paints, or calling a friend you haven’t talked to in millions of years, it really comes back to the nudge listening to it and taking action on it.
David Ralph [35:35]
I love that now with the nudge. I think that’s gonna be the title of this show. I’ve never heard that before. But it that fits doesn’t mean that fits nicely.
Shannon Kaiser [35:44]
100% Yeah, it really much is because one notch at a time leads to your greater picture and we get so overwhelmed. So just one step at a time. Take a nourishing approach to nudging that inner guidance.
David Ralph [35:54]
Well, let’s play some words that really say what you just say but in a different way. This is Oprah Winfrey,
Oprah Winfrey [36:01]
the way through the challenge is to get still and ask yourself, what is the next right move? not think about, Oh, I got all of this stuff. What is the next right move? And then from that space, make the next right move, and the next right move, and not to be overwhelmed by it. Because you know, your life is bigger than that one moment. You know, you’re not defined by what somebody says, is a failure for you. Because failure is just there to point you in a different direction. Fair appraisal,
Shannon Kaiser [36:34]
love it. That’s exactly it. That’s the nudge nourish once upon a time, one moment, moment by moment.
David Ralph [36:42]
I really have got a lot from those words. So much so that my wife doesn’t go along the sort of motivational stuff that I do, has said to me a couple of times, just being Oprah just being Oprah and I know it’s terrible when your wife starts throwing things back. Yeah, but she’s heard in your own show. But it is true. I have had times when I’ve been simply overwhelmed by what needs to be done. But of course, when you get your head back on, you only have to do the next right thing. You don’t have to do all those other things. You don’t actually have to think, Oh, yeah, I’m gonna quit my job. And I’m gonna get a book publishing deal. And I’m going to be throwing myself out of aeroplanes. And I’m going to be doing this I’m going to be doing, you just have to do great and next right thing. And when you do that, it does lead you to somewhere. What do you think about this and Shannon, I was speaking to a chap the other day, and this is really in the forefront of my mind at the moment. And I like this. And it kind of goes on from what Oprah was saying, to find the right thing. For maximum effect. He said, find that right thing and not just go bad, looks good. But go for the thing. That’s like a domino. But if you press one 1000 will come down and find that one thing in your day. And it might be as you say, phone a mentor, it might be look at that book that you’ve been meaning to do for years. Just find that one thing that gives you old momentum and makes things easy for you find your dominant.
Shannon Kaiser [38:08]
Yes, and I think that’s it. But when we think about what the outcome is, that’s the key we want to take apart. So if you’re thinking about the dog, no, I love what that thing is. But you don’t want to focus on all the dominoes. I had no idea that I so for me, personally, my nourish the nudge looks like I was very upset. I left corporate I had no idea what I was going to do. I didn’t even know that I want to be a book author. And my inner guide said go to a bookstore right now and I fell straight into the self help. Section. I didn’t really read self help, but that’s where I followed my nudge. One Domino, and I grabbed the only book that spoke to me, which was this book with a girl in blonde hair on a skateboard and hot pink letters. I was like, that’s cool. She looks fun. And it was admiring to your life by Gabrielle Bernstein. And I read the book and I there was a situation long story short, where customer service they ordered more books that didn’t have And she became my life coach. And now she’s one of my best friends. And we really are able to support each other. And she said on that call several years ago, when I was stuck, I said, I don’t really want. She said, I’m going to be your writing mentor. And it was a domino that opened me up into the industry. She introduced me to other authors. I my agent, it’s her agent. And so it’s one thing after another, all I had to do was trust go to a bookstore today. That’s it. I had no idea was going to teach me that I wanted to be a best selling author talking to people all around the world about happiness. I had no idea. I just took one step.
David Ralph [39:34]
But you you took one step, but you were running when you took that step one, because you already decided you were going to run towards happiness, which is a very brave decision because running towards happiness, when it pans off is marvellous, and we can see that with you. But of course it leaves you open to disappointment because you may not find the happiness or you may not go far enough to find it was there any Tell him that you thought to yourself, actually, I’m not going to look for happiness. I’m gonna look for something else because it seems easier to get to.
Shannon Kaiser [40:08]
Yeah, actually, in the sense of joy, I turned my happiness to joy. And that’s why I’ve been called the joy guru because ultimately we have to do what finds us joy. So there was never a moment where I said, I’m not going to look for my happiness. I mean, coming on a depression in the dark periods that I was in it was important and just super important that I stayed on track, but instead of happiness can be very far reaching. And it’s also fleeting happiness is not something that stays with us all the time. However, I said, I’m gonna find what brings Shannon joy. What does Shannon need to have a joyful day, a joyful moment. So I turned it into joy and that’s something we can all reach for maybe joy is as simple as petting your dog a little bit longer, or cuddling with your wife a little bit longer. Or maybe it’s you know, doing the dishes for for your significant other because they’ve had a bad day. Joy can be a lot of little things in the promise, the more small joy actions I took, the more fulfilling my life really has become.
David Ralph [41:04]
I was listening to the radio this morning, it was the morning show. And there was a list of things about make you happy doesn’t cost you anything, and it just makes you happy. And they were saying things like just getting a text from somebody that you haven’t spoken to for a long time, but just say something nice, or praise from your boss. And I was thinking to myself, what is my happy what really makes me happy and away from this, I wanted a selfish happy. And I think the thing that I get where my true joy and as I say to my kids, this is dad’s happy attack is when I’m driving along in my car, the sun’s shining, I’ve got my roof down, and that perfect song comes on, but you just think to yourself, yeah, I haven’t heard this for years and you turn it up. And back is one of those moments that I try to replicate. Now I try to find more moments. That is my joy, and it’s very simple, but it’s just the way it makes me feel and if you can get enough of those in your life. Wow, you must be rich. Branson or something.
Shannon Kaiser [42:02]
Right? That’s exactly it. You really do. You’re you’re rich with abundance and happiness. And what’s so great about that is, it’s about the joy moments, right? I love that you shared that. Because guess what, that doesn’t cost money. I mean, sure you have your car and everything, but we we get hung up on, oh, I have to have a certain amount of money to go on that trip and whatever. And we stop ourselves. But really joy, like you said, could be that text for my friend simple, simple things. So mission for awesome opportunity for anyone listening, make a list. And actually, on my website, there’s a free love your life to the fullest guide. So if anyone goes to play with the world, it shows you how to make your own joy list. It’s simple steps easy to do.
David Ralph [42:40]
And why is it called play with the world and not play in the world or play around the world? Because play play with the world kind of almost doesn’t make sense, but it’s very profound as well. I can’t quite get the gist of it.
Shannon Kaiser [42:52]
Uh huh. And that’s exactly why because it means something different to everyone who reads it, but here’s the thing. The world is going to be the world no matter what. And as I suggested earlier, play with the world is about you exploring, being adventurous and letting yourself be who you are in the world. instead of allowing the world to tell you what you should do with your life, it really is about just the adventure of life.
David Ralph [43:17]
So So where’s your life going? So it’s middle of the afternoon at the moment. You’re you’re talking to me when you sort of finish with this call? Do you have an afternoon free or you planned or what actually is your your plan for say the rest of the week? And I suppose I’m going to lead on to the rest of the year.
Shannon Kaiser [43:36]
Yeah, so for me I’m I actually one of the things about what I love is I have probably seven or eight different job titles. I’m a public speaker. I’m a life coach. I’m a travel writer, a book author, a teacher at a local college here, I teach public speaking in writing classes. So any given day, and of course, I’m a life coach. I have a mix of those things. So after today, I’m actually I have a book coming out in August called adventures. For your soul, very exciting. I’m so excited. And I’m working with my publisher. So I have a call after this to talk about editing and kind of the publicity we’re going to do for that. Very exciting. I also have life coaching sessions this afternoon. And of course, I have made sure that I’ve left some time to go play outside with my dog. It’s beautiful here I’m in Portland, Oregon, sunny out, and we’re going to go for a great nature hike.
David Ralph [44:23]
So So when you look at all those titles, those job titles, obviously you didn’t master them overnight. Which ones sort of came first because I imagine a lot of our listeners would go Oh, I’d love that to be able to do all those things, but you You didn’t grasp, grasp him and just go, this is it. I’m gonna do all those what what came first?
Shannon Kaiser [44:42]
Absolutely. So when I first left corporate, I made a commitment to myself to follow my heart. And my heart said go travel. And I took a trip to Paris and as I was travelling, I realised Holy moly, this is amazing. I’m travelling and I started blog. I wrote an first blog. I didn’t even know what a blog was basically blog and as I did that one of the articles got picked up by Chicken Soup for the Soul, you know, and it was amazing. And that said, Shannon, this is where you need to be. So writing really and travel writing was my catalyst I don’t do as much travelling at one point I was taking three, four trips a month. Now I probably take one every other three or four months because my business has shifted. Once I started travelling more people said how’d you leave corporate that opened up life coaching and then of course the books came and the book deals so it’s an evolution and I fully suspect that you know, 510 years from now the business will be changing too. But I always say I do what I love and when I don’t love it anymore, I don’t do it. And so right now I’m so in love with every single thing that I’m doing I can’t take one off the plate and and I wouldn’t be as fulfilled as I am now.
David Ralph [45:48]
So the million dollar question and I think most entrepreneurs struggle with this is when that first person that client came up to you and said, Do you do coaching I’d like you to coach me do you embrace it, or was there a part of you went, Oh my god, I don’t know how to coach. I’ve never done coaching before.
Shannon Kaiser [46:07]
Exactly. Yeah, in fact, I had quite a few people reaching out for a few months. And I said, Nope, nope, not doing it. Because that was like, I don’t know what a life coaches. But then I started to talk and I went through kind of training and different courses, and I realised this is something that could be huge, and it actually, for many years was one of the largest pieces of my business. And I think it we all have that. Marie Forleo is an entrepreneur here in America and one of my business coaches, and she says, start before you’re ready, and I realised that I had to just start so reached out we had our first session. I remember my first session like it was yesterday, it was maybe four or five years ago, I was nervous. I had all my notes in front of me my worksheets and I realised that it wasn’t about me, it’s about the person and always were led to the right people at the right time. I bet you can probably relate maybe with your first interview or your show, right?
David Ralph [46:56]
Well, Funny enough, I asked that question because when I started The first show the first show, maybe first 1015, it was a while I was playing a row, I was pretending I was a host. So I kind of got through it. And I’ve got a background of public speaking and presenting and stuff. So it wasn’t a huge stretch. But when the first client that I had that came on and said, I will be listening to the shows, would you mind mentoring me? My first thought was, as you said, I don’t know anything about this. But Koshi, don’t you because you feel, yeah, 40 years of experience, and you know, and I realised most with doing it. And I don’t do it as much now because there’s other things sort of on my radar. But it was very, very useful to transition me to the full time gig because it was money and it was money on the table. But more often than not, when you are coaching someone but people actually know the answers already. You just have to be like a mirror for them to see. And I find it Yes, amazing. Sometimes when I’m having these conversations with people and you can hear the penny drop. And it’s almost like wow, Why didn’t my sleeve up before? And you always want to go? Yeah, why didn’t you see that before? But of course you don’t because you kind of go Yeah, I’m the world’s greatest coach that that’s what you’re paying.
Unknown Speaker [48:15]
You’re only gonna get
David Ralph [48:17]
Shannon? Me Yeah, but I don’t I know it already and they’re they’re paying the money just for almost confirmation or permission to start thinking these things somehow.
Shannon Kaiser [48:32]
Yes and I like that you bring that up because I think for me and my own journey part of the baby steps are connecting the dots are that transition. So I had started to travel right but that’s when I started to bring in a life coach and a business coach and it was so important for me because they help you get out of your own way. And ultimately we want to find coaches that we relate to, but the most beautiful part of it is you feel validated after because a coach a good coach can reflect or shine light on areas that maybe you couldn’t see. And like you just said, it’s like, we already know the answers. And that’s ultimately, by the way, kind of what player the world comes back to. That’s why to play with the world, not in the world. We know the answers. We already know them inside of us, we have to just remove all the layers that the world has told us that we should have to be able to be our authentic self.
David Ralph [49:19]
Yeah, I think so. And we’ve got the world’s greatest comfort blanket, and it’s called Google. So if you don’t know the answer, just Google it. And they don’t know. I did a lot about when they were asking me stuff. And I was sort of just going from experience. But then afterwards, I was thinking, did I do the right thing? That was my experience, right? More often than not, it was but I just got on Google. There are Yes. Okay. I’ll use that next time. and away you go. So you can start anything now that that lady was right. Don’t be ready. Just do it. And make up as you go.
Shannon Kaiser [49:52]
Yes. And if we don’t start them, we’re never going to get to the next step. I remember the first workshop I ever let lead. I was still taking a lot of part time jobs and I thought I should start sharing this happiness stuff that I’m getting on board with. And I put a little paper in the paper newspaper free workshop at the coffee shop. I think three people signed up and my mom, it was great. And I remember like just showing up with these papers, and I did the best I could looking back at it, I had to take that step. Now, in order to be leading corporations and keynotes and stuff it one step at a time, we can’t get to z unless we take ABC, you know, you have to take that step you before you’re ready.
David Ralph [50:31]
Absolutely. And you got to follow those dots. And I’m gonna bring Steve Jobs in who created the whole theme of the show, he probably didn’t know what he did. But he said some amazing words back in 2005. And we’re going to play them now. This is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [50:45]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college, but it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So You have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [51:20]
Do you feel like you’re travelling your own path? like Steve says?
Shannon Kaiser [51:25]
Yes, I do. I believe that 100% and I think we all can. And we can make a very profound difference in the world by being true to ourselves. I’ve created a life that doesn’t look like anything you could ever learn or you can go to a career fair and get what I do for a living but I’m the one of the happiest people if not the happiest person that I know. So he’s right. And it really does come back to your younger self which I visit often you cannot connect the dots. If I were to go back to the Shannon who was on the bathroom floor crying, exhausted hating life, wondering why I should even go on, I would have never imagined that I’m doing what I’m doing today with books, bestselling books and talking to you. This is so much fun. It really does come together. So keep going.
David Ralph [52:13]
I can’t imagine you not smiling. The the only picture of you on the web has gotten a big smile in the world pretty happy. You are you’re more than happy. So So what is in the words of Steve Jobs? What would be your big dot? When you look back? What was the moment or the the incident or whatever that really started moving you on?
Shannon Kaiser [52:35]
I think well, I there’s a lot of moments, the big dot was really recognising that what I’ve been through there’s purpose to my pain. And all of those moments of self sabotage of fear of drug addictions, eating disorders and the clinical depression was actually a cry out my inner self saying there’s better way and look, now I’m able to help people and be a teacher of it and the That to me when we can find the purpose in our pain is one of the most miraculous moments of anybody’s life.
David Ralph [53:07]
And you look back on it now and you kind of de
Shannon Kaiser [53:10]
de sort of, but I really practice self compassion because I think life is hard enough as it is and I was so hard on myself then. So it’s more like a wise old future self. It’s like, you know, the Wise grandma, grandpa, the rocking chair, I look back at myself, like, you know, gently hugging me and saying, you know what, rocking on a rocking chair, it’s okay, you did the best you could. But there are moments where I say if only I knew what I knew then but my life would be even totally different. Now if I had this kind of wisdom then so it’s all part of a plan and I just kind of gently say it’s okay kind of like a child who doesn’t know any better.
David Ralph [53:47]
You’ve got like a little Yoda Kaiser little boys little thing but aside, have you
Unknown Speaker [53:56]
that’s that’s what
Shannon Kaiser [53:59]
I love that. So what we’re going to do,
David Ralph [54:02]
we’re going to bring you to the end of the show. And this is when we are going to send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self, because this is the thing that we called a sermon on the mic. And we’re going to play the theme tune and send you back in time. So if you could speak to the younger you, what age would you choose and what advice would you give? Well, we’re going to find out because I’m going to play it now. And when it fades you up. This is the Sermon on the mic.
Shannon Kaiser [54:47]
Dear younger you, it’s okay. As you sit there, sad, confused, obsessed with worry. I want you to know that I am future self And I am happier than you ever thought possible. Because guess what, and what you’re going through right now is part of a bigger plan. And we together will get through this. All you have to do is follow your heart. And all you have to do is trust yourself. And all you have to do is find the joy in life. And it all comes together. I promise you so how fun and more fun because guess what, it goes by really fast. And I can’t wait until I get to meet you in the future. So I’m seeing you but guess what, when you get to be where I am now, we’re going to have a blast. I love you. Thanks for doing the best you can little Shannon.
David Ralph [55:49]
Shannon, how can our audience connect with you?
Shannon Kaiser [55:54]
I would love to connect to people you can go to my website, play with the world calm and if you go to You get a free love your life to the fullest guide if you sign up for my free weekly messages, my play with the world messages. And of course on Facebook, that’s the best way to connect at Shannon Kaiser writes WRI te as
David Ralph [56:15]
well I want listeners is to go over to play with the world.com and scroll down to the bottom right hand side. And this is really a little video, which is the manifesto video and just play it three minutes. It’s got a great tune. It’s got great images, and it really sets you up for everything is possible. That white shadow.
Shannon Kaiser [56:35]
Absolutely. Yes, you bet. Enjoy your life. Have fun.
David Ralph [56:39]
Well, thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining up those dots and please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Shannon, you’re the greatest communist I’ve ever spoken to. Thank you.
Shannon Kaiser [56:54]
Thank you. It’s been great being here. What a joy
David Ralph [57:00]
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