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Introducing Veronica Grey
Veronica Grey is today’s guest joining us on the Join Up Dots podcast.
She is a lady who is demonstrating hustle in many different fields, and is someone who has a claim to fame that I have never shared on any episode of Join Up Dots.
She is a lady who literally inspires the world to make music, with more songs written for and about her than anyone else in the history of time.
And its not surprising that so many people are inspired by Miss Grey, as she has a freeness of spirit and an enthusiasm to make our world, and the lives of all of us on it as good as it can be.
She is a huge advocate of living free, and preventing aging, but not by having nips and tucks done everywhere, but instead keeping your spirit youthful to celebrate.
How The Dots Have Joined Up For Veronica
As she says ” AGING is a CHOICE.
Each time you buy into aging you are actually CHOOSING it.
If you blow out 40 candles on your cake and think, “Ok now I am 40″ with a set of expectations of what that means, you CREATE it.
When we blow out candles on OUR cake, we think, “YAY I AM 23 for the 17th year in a row!!!” It sure makes one pretty good at being 23″
But as a surfer, film maker, health advocate, entrepreneur and of course a musical muse of the worlds biggest artists then Veronica Grey is someone who is packing in a huge amount of value to everyday.
So we can literally go in any direction in today’s show, and deliver the kind of content that we simply love bringing to our listeners.
So did she always see her life going in such a direction, or was she like the rest of us on a totally different path when she first started?
And its obvious to her that the world are holding themselves back from their true potential in life?
Well lets find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Veronica Grey.
During the show we discussed such weighty topics as:
How we should all take a leaf out of Forrest Gumps book, who lived for the moment and never focused on anything that didn’t make him feel alive.
Why if we are working too hard on something, we should look for a better route to bring rewards effortlessly towards us.
How she once departed to live in the desert for 18 months, after her heart was broken by a famous rockstar, and ended with a new video game idea.
How she has promised David Bowie a secret gift, if they manage to get a selfie together………no I didn’t find out what it was either!
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Full Transcription Of Veronica Grey Interview
David Ralph [0:00]
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When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:37]
Yes, hello, everybody and welcome to Join Up Dots Episode 370 coming from the United Kingdom, and all the way to the furthest landmass away from any bit is the little island of Hawaii. Now. I was speaking to the lady just before we started recording, and she’s very protective about it. She doesn’t want a lot of us to go over there and move in. We can Visit, but as long as we keep it as it is, so we’re going to delve into that and see why is paradise it needs to be kept. But she is a lady who is demonstrating hustle in many different fields and is someone who has a claim to fame that I’ve never shared on any episode of Join Up Dots. She’s a lady who literally inspires the world to make music with more songs written for and about her, but anyone else in the history of time Yeah. From The Smashing Pumpkins, Depeche Mode or Asia the curan Ivana Coldplay, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, you too, and even the main man himself, David Bowie that was a typo impression who has written more than one and it’s not surprising that so many people are inspired by her she has a freeness of spirit and an enthusiasm to make our world and the lives of all of us as good as it can be. Now she’s a huge advocate of living free and preventing ageing but not having nips and tucks down everywhere but instead keeping your spirit youthful to celebrate. As she says ageing is a choice. Each time you buy into ageing, you’re actually choosing it if you blow out for candles on UK can be. Okay now I’m 40 with a set of expectations of what that means you create it. When I blow out candles on my cake, I think Yeah, I’m 23 for the 17th year in a row in mature makes one pretty good at being 23. But as a surfer, filmmaker, health advocate, entrepreneur, and of course a musical muse of the world’s biggest artists, but she’s someone who is packing in a huge amount of value to every day. So we can literally go in any direction in today’s show and deliver the kind of content that we simply love bringing to our listeners. So did she always feel like going in such a direction? or was she like the rest of us on a totally different path when she first started? And it’s obvious to her but the world holding themselves back from their true potential in life. Well, we’re going to delve into that. And let’s find out what she’s all about as we bring on to the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Veronica Grey. How are you Veronica?
Veronica Grey [2:53]
aloha David, I am freaking Fantastic. Well,
David Ralph [2:58]
you are you are alone. Hmm, you are I love your thing on Skype that you are living the Pura Vida Loca. So what is the pure beador loca which is even better than Ricky Martin delivered?
Veronica Grey [3:11]
Yeah better than just Living La Vida Loca living the Pura Vida Loca, Costa Rica, like in Hawaii, we say Aloha, you know, it’s like Hello, goodbye. And it also means kind of like I love you. But in Costa Rica, if you ever get to go there, their their version of aloha is put a visa. So like, every time you say hello or Goodbye, you say put a visa and Costa Rica is where I learned to surf. And so ever since I heard that song Living La Vida Loca I’m like, I’m living la Pura Vida Loca
David Ralph [3:45]
and you really have a long Yeah, cuz you know, I look, I looked at your life, you was introduced to me by a wonderful guest that we had called Clint Arthur, and if anyone hasn’t listened to the episode, jump back because he was it was great guest and he sort of deliberately You to me as a gift. And as I was going through your your background history, I was thinking, wow, where did you start? Because there’s so much to you, which when you look at it, you kind of think, why that one aspect is quite difficult to think how you’re going to make a living from it. But you’ve added that and that and that and that and there’s so many areas. Are you literally somebody that’s playing on a daily basis? Do you sort of wake up each morning and go, Oh, I fancy a bit of mist today.
Veronica Grey [4:29]
Oh, my gosh, yes. Yes, I am. So in all seriousness, though, I’m a very spiritual person. So I do start each day in meditation and prayer, but that doesn’t mean like sitting in a room, going home. It means like, even if I’m driving in my car to go look at the waves and decide if I’m going to surf that day. I’m already like, in just a state of gratitude and ecstasy as ridiculous or hokey pokey is Because I do feel blessed and I love my life. And that’s why one of my causes is to, you know, help people extend their lives because honestly, David, since I feel like you and I are just sitting across and having a, you know, sharing a conversation together as opposed to an interview. So if I’m sitting across from you and telling you, it’s like, I honestly feel that anyone who is preparing for old age and death, that is a basis of ingratitude, because you’re basically telling God’s, our Creator, whatever you want the force, the source, you know, whatever word you want to call the higher power, you’re basically saying, you know what, this sucks, I can’t wait for it to be over. Now. How would you feel David if you’re out on a date with the pretty girl, and underlying that she’s already thinking about, you know, the end of it. And if you go through life preparing for death and retirement and, and thinking about things like social security, that’s Basically that same energy, you’re just thinking about the end of it. It’s like, Where’s the gratitude and joy? And that, you know what I mean?
David Ralph [6:07]
Totally what you mean on that, but I think, don’t don’t know, majority of people in life, not think about the end of it, but just think about the weekend. Isn’t that this or that and the nuts of it. You’re living a life, you know, weekends and days and live all blow into one. But everybody else, Monday to Friday is the weekend, Monday to Friday is a weekend and is it a different way of doing it, isn’t it?
Veronica Grey [6:33]
I have a really great lifestyle. But you know what, I wasn’t born special. I was born the same amount of DNA as everybody else. My family wasn’t particularly wealthy wasn’t particularly unhealthy. You know what I mean? So it’s like, I feel like you everybody really chooses their path. And you know, you get to do a podcast from your backyard. So, do you know what I mean? It’s like anyone who really is just living for the weekend. They really only have to take a look and see what choices they made to get them there. And that’s all I say. And I don’t say that in any way except for compassionately. Well,
David Ralph [7:13]
yeah, but but that that is the key message, which really inspires on a daily basis on Join Up Dots, every single guest has made a series of choices. And more often than not, they made the same bad choices that all of us had done, where you saw going to a career, but you don’t fancy doing just because it’s a job. You go into a lifestyle that is kind of laid out for you by your parents and your family and previous generations. But with yourself, I couldn’t quite get adjustable. I couldn’t work out whether you had gone on a different path to where you are now. Did you make the same mistakes or Have you always been that free spirit, even as a young girl?
Veronica Grey [7:51]
I have. Okay, so I’m going to answer your question. It’s a two part answer. I have always been a free spirit but I kind of do it the Forrest Gump. Wade Have you ever seen that movie Forrest Gump? I’ve
David Ralph [8:05]
seen it many times. And I’m gonna be fascinated how you blink missed your life. So you go for it.
Veronica Grey [8:10]
Do you know how he never really thought about things? He just went with it. You know, it’s like one day, I’m just gonna play ping pong. Next day. I’m just gonna walk across the United States. You know what I mean? It’s like, he just did things, and didn’t think too much of it. And he claimed to be not so smart. And maybe he really wasn’t, you know, especially in the eyes of the world, but he was all heart and all free spirit, right? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And, honestly, that’s how I’ve lived my life. It’s like, I don’t think too hard about things. I don’t try very hard. In fact, when I catch myself trying too hard, then I feel like I’m out of the flow. Do you know what I mean?
David Ralph [8:52]
No, I do but we’re gonna touch on that afterwards. So you carry on. But yeah, I’m in that stage at the moment.
Veronica Grey [8:59]
Yes, So it’s like I feel like oh my god, I’m trying too hard to do this. Something is off here because you know what, David? I’ve found through life that the best things have happened to me when I wasn’t trying so hard. Okay, I’ll tell you a great story right now the person who’s closest to me is the world’s most famous Sape surfer john john Florence. Okay. I really love this person. And I’m just talking like on a soul to soul level. And I met him because I was loading gas at the gas station. And he being the world’s top surfer and I being also a surfer. It’s like, now he’s like, put his name on my book and my movie and my shark repellent swimwear. He’s like basically endorsing all my products, just because he likes me as a person. And it’s like if I tried to approach john florins, john john, through the usual routes of like my attorney, calling his attorney and setting up a business meeting because He’s the highest paid surfer in the industry. That would have never happened. You know, I mean, you could never get john john Florence to put his name on your book, or on your swimwear, that’s like six or seven figures. But because he met me at a gas station, and he just happens to like me.
David Ralph [10:21]
gas station What did you do have a surfboard down the back of your car or something? Was it?
Veronica Grey [10:26]
Okay, that’s a very good point. It was.
It was really early and surfers we are very early. I’m up with a son. I go down with a son and he’s the same way he’s up at like 5am. Anyway, so just this day randomly. I was loading gas at about 730 in the morning, and it’s absolutely deserted. First of all, we live in the country. We’re on the North Shore of Oahu and I’m going to paint a picture for you. There are no stoplights. It’s one of these towns that there’s only two places with Wi Fi You know, it’s very sleepy. There’s like two grocery stores in the whole town. It’s just a small sleepy surf town, the North Shore of Oahu. And there’s literally two gas stations in the town. And so I’m there at 730 in the morning putting gas into my car. And my licence plate on my car says to surf, to space, Su RF to surf, and who pulls in right behind me and there’s not a soul anywhere from miles. But the world’s most famous surfer john, Sean, Lauren, Did you recognise him? I totally did. Okay, he’s like the David Bowie of surfing, just let me tell you that that’s who he is in the surf world. He is the biggest rock star in the surf world. Okay, so just imagine for anybody who doesn’t surf or doesn’t care, or doesn’t know, just imagine David Bowie pulling up behind you. That’s all I’m saying. You know, and it would have been different if it was 12 noon in the middle of the day where there’s crowds everywhere. Do you know what I mean? It really it really would have been a difference. If there was even one other soul around, because you know how that is, when there’s even one other person around, you know, a celebrity isn’t going to give you the same treatment when there’s just nobody else around. So I didn’t even say his name. I just went up to him. And I said, I know who you are. Can we please take a selfie? And he totally took selfies with me until they gave me this big hug. And I literally was like, I’m getting on a plane for Costa Rica right now. And that was true. I was about to leave for four months to go to Costa Rica. But anyway, that’s how our friendship started. And it’s like, but you realise that it’s the luckiest thing that has happened to me because ever since he’s put his name on my book and my shark repellent swimwear and my movie, it’s like, not to be crass, but he’s making me money now. And like I said, if I wanted to go through an attorney, this would never be be happening because they’d be like, no, you’re not putting her name on her. You’re, you’re putting your name on her book, unless she’s paying you six figures. You know what I mean? That’s how the business world is.
David Ralph [13:08]
Well, that’s, that’s life generally, isn’t it, but connections are made when you least expect them, you walk into a room and you bump into someone who just happens to know someone, and you you speed forward, but you can only speed forward. And this is gonna be a great metaphor for surfing. When you catch the right way. You’ve got to be in that position ready on your board to make the most of that interaction, don’t you?
Veronica Grey [13:34]
You really, really do. But David, this goes back to your original question. I have lived like this my entire life. And so if something has been working for you, let’s say since you were 21 Why would you change it? You know, it’s like, I would never be like, well, I’m now 25 I should go get a real job. Do you know what I mean? It’s like it’s been working so well. Why would you turn around and change it?
David Ralph [14:02]
Well, I’ve changed the show recently, as the listeners know, we’ve gone three days a week. And it’s amazing. I’ve gone three days a week, I’m doing less work and my download figures, the listeners are just shooting up. And I’m thinking, wow, this is in many ways easier than it was before because it was hard, very hard, doing seven days a week, but it’s delivering more value. So you got to be aware of those moments having you got to be aware when you are pushing against the closed door, and we ever really sort of outweighs the the impact that you’re keeping to the world and just don’t find another door opens easily.
Veronica Grey [14:42]
I agree. I mean, there’s two sides to that coin. I’ve heard the saying that like a jet aircraft needs all that wind resistance to take off. Yeah. So if you don’t have that wind resistance, your plan isn’t going to take off. So sometimes I feel like I’m I’m working hard and I’m working hard and I’m like, is this really worth it? And then that little saying clicks into my head, like, Oh, you need wind resistance to even take off. So, I mean, there’s some truth to that as well. But then I’ve also heard like, you know, this ancient guru say something along the lines of nothing you want is from paddling upstream.
David Ralph [15:23]
Yeah, I can, but but that’s the world can’t get Canada because, you know, and we talked about this all the time, hard work a hard labour. Everything’s hard. Everything’s hard, hard hard. But then when you look at the people that really rocking and rolling as you are, we kind of go Wow, she’s got a blessed life because it sounds like she’s having a great time every day. Because you’ve done the hard to get to that point to a point, but you’re also playing authentically to your strengths. That’s what makes things easy. And that’s what I try to get across in Join Up Dots. If you’re doing something that every morning you wake up and you think, you know, I’m flu moment, and I feel like death, but I’m loving doing this show. So that means that you found your being if you wake up and even when you feel ill, you still want to do it. But more often not people wake up feel perfectly all right, and still don’t want to do it. And that is when they’ve got to look around themselves, isn’t it and think to themselves, that must be there must be something out there. There’s something out there that I should be doing. And I’m not doing it at the moment.
Veronica Grey [16:26]
Well, first of all, David, I sincerely hope you end up feeling better ASAP.
David Ralph [16:31]
I might not get through to bronica I might I might pass out main main type of flew over here. It’s it’s bad stuff.
Veronica Grey [16:40]
If you have to stop then they’ll just have to live with a shorter show. And we’ll probably be your highest ratings if
David Ralph [16:48]
Yeah, if I die on the show, if that’s what you’re saying, Veronica?
Veronica Grey [16:52]
Not even. But okay, so to go back on topic about the hard work, you know what the hard work has been honestly for me The hard work for me has not been anything that where you’re rolling up your sleeves and sweating your brow. The hard work for me has been spiritual. Like, I really, you know, I’m ethical. I have integrity. I follow the 10 commandments. I know, you know, people like okay, I’ll be honest with you. And we’ll get back to this later when you asked me to give advice to my younger self. But since it’s coming up now, I used to think that the definition of adultery was, you don’t sleep with anyone outside of marriage. And I thought, Well, I’m not married. He’s not married. I guess we’re not committing adultery. But as I’ve gotten more mature and wiser and closer to source energy, you know, whatever you want to call your God, the Christ. I’ve come to learn that the real definition of adultery is you should not sleep with anyone but your spouse. That’s really That’s the if you want to walk the narrow path of being correct and so, living by those rules has changed my life in so many ways. It’s like I’m no longer out there in the world, just throwing my pearls to the swine. If you catch my drift, I’m walking a fine spiritual path now, where I don’t drink. I haven’t had a drop of alcohol in two years. Why? Because that’s what gets you into trouble. You know, I’m talking about the same commandment. And but my life has never been better just by following the spiritual truth. Another one is like, Thou shalt not kill, right? Well, it doesn’t say Thou shalt not kill humans, it means Thou shalt not kill. And I’ve transitioned to a raw vegan diet. And again, I swear to God, I’ve never felt better. I’ve never looked younger. My skin is just amazing. I’m just like, it’s like, oh, there’s something to these technical commandments. I don’t care how old fashioned by sound because as you read in my biography, I also party with these a list rock stars. But you’d be surprised like Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins hasn’t had a drink in 20 years. If you hang out backstage at The Smashing Pumpkins, you will be bored out of your skull. He hasn’t. He literally has a no drinks policy, and no sex on tour policy. He literally makes all his band members sign these contracts before they go on a tour, no sex on the tour, because you’re giving away your spiritual energy and no drinking on the tour. And then look at Jared Leto of 30 Seconds to Mars. He and I were going to spend New Year’s Eve together last year, that dude doesn’t drink and he looks half his age. And he’s vegan as well. And so you think you know, oh, these crazy rock stars who I happen to love and I happen to be blessed the cat as my friends and you think they must be living Living the wild life, but they’re actually probably doing the hardest spiritual work than anyone else. So
David Ralph [20:09]
I hope these people written so many songs about you how they found out about you on your surfboard?
Veronica Grey [20:18]
Well, to be honest, they’ve known about me for years. I’ve just become successful in the last four years of my life, but like I met Jared Leto, when we were both 19. We were both on that TV show my so called life. And I met him before he was famous. And so these circles are just like any other circle. If you meet one of them, you often get to meet a bunch of them because they all know each other. Unfortunately, it’s quite incestuous in that way that everybody knows everybody and so you meet one, they all get to know you. And I’m just happy to say say that because of the spiritual path I walk, like they know I will absolutely not sleep with you unless we are married. They know that.
David Ralph [21:08]
And yeah, but how would you connect with people on but you don’t even know he
Unknown Speaker [21:13]
David Ralph [21:17]
he said he didn’t hedonism. No one can get hold of David Bowie.
Veronica Grey [21:22]
No you can’t but here’s the awesome thing. I have a little deal with David Bowie. I can’t talk about it too much. But I will owe him something if he ever takes a selfie with me.
David Ralph [21:36]
It’s like man,
Unknown Speaker [21:37]
like, I don’t know, but it’s nothing sexual or weird. I
David Ralph [21:40]
didn’t say that. I just said Oh, it’s like that. I left it unspoken.
Veronica Grey [21:45]
Like, Amman, you know, she god bless her. She’s a goddess. So never be anything like that. But I’m like he’s actually out of all people. You mentioned the only person I don’t have photos with and David’s like okay, here’s what I want. If I take a selfie with you he’s
David Ralph [22:03]
a he’s a man who from the 70s you know, if you look at his early 60s work, he he hadn’t found himself, he was really caught in a trap of the musical tastes. But from when he found himself, he has been leading the way all the way along the line. And is that inspirational to you when you see somebody that is really being so unique, but there is only one David Bowie. And for 4050 years, he still delivering what we want, and we want more of it. And, you know, he didn’t release an album for 10 years, and then he released one and Wow, it was amazing. Is that inspirational to you?
Veronica Grey [22:42]
Oh, God, I can’t even begin to start on the David Bowie route. But like every musician that I love, and I’m friends with, like, Robert Smith’s birthday was two days ago and so happy birthday, Robert, cuz he’ll be listening to this show. I sent him everything I do. And Like all of us, Robert Smith, Martin Gore, Billy Jared, like we all literally worship the ground David Bowie locks on including john john and he’s a surfer. We just freaking love Bowie. There will be no one on this planet like him. But you know what I respect most about him to answer your question because I never forget the question even though I ramble. I love that he’s dedicated to him on I love that. I’m sorry. I’m a girly girl. I love that he has been happily married to this woman for so many years. That is what I respect more than anything that Ziggy Stardust has done. There you have it.
David Ralph [23:38]
Wait, wait, geez, is a fantastic statement to make, isn’t it? Because it’s of the essence of the man, not the artist.
Unknown Speaker [23:47]
Well, I mean, of course, he’s had his wild years, you know, but then there’s also other artists that have their wild years and then they never grow up. You know what I mean? never grow up, never do anything. And and we’re not going to name names, but We all can think of artists like that off the top of our head who, like, they go out in their Blaze of Glory, which means drinking and drugs and you know, never had a successful relationship. It’s like, that’s a shame to me. That That really is, but I love how David Bowie, you know, yeah, party and everything else, but
David Ralph [24:22]
a party like it was 1999 for about 20 years, I think, or probably more than that. These are, yeah, we won’t make it a David Bowie show. But yeah, you can’t be a bit of Bowie. Well, let’s play some words now. But I love throwing into the show. And these are really motivational words, but really touch on what you’re doing on a daily basis. This is Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey [24:44]
My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [25:11]
Now, that seems to play to your essence. But Which part? Did you take a risk on first? Was it the surfing? Was it the entreprenuer? boot? What came first for you?
Veronica Grey [25:23]
Okay, gosh, I’m gonna be personal and just answer this honestly. Which sucks. Because you know how people don’t really want to give out their most personal private information. But there’s no other way to answer that question. And for many years of my life, I was you know, intimately connected with Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins. I literally literally thought and he led me to believe that we were going to be married for the rest of our lives as in like, no prenup married. And so I never had a plan B and when that all fell apart, Eight years ago, I really didn’t have a plan B, I went to live in the desert in a freaking trailer with an 18 year old boy.
David Ralph [26:14]
I’m just gonna sit here and not say a word keep going.
Veronica Grey [26:17]
So yeah, I disappear to the middle of the desert with an 18 year old boy. We were like, you know, living on food stamps, and he was trading to be the next World’s Hottest motorcross champion of the world. And I basically disappeared for 18 months to lick my wounds, you know, and I mean, because it’s like, I was involved with Billy Corgan for six or seven years, heading towards marriage. And if you really believe that you’re going to end up living with your favourite rock star for the rest of your lives. You don’t need a plan B. But it all came crashing down. And like I said, I hit up for 18 months and then I had this great idea for a video game. I know this sounds crazy. You’re asking, and I had this great idea for a video game, and oh my gosh, I get these inspirational quotes in my email on a daily basis. And one of the most recent inspirational quotes that came to me just this week said something along the lines of when your business is ready, the right mentor will appear. And again, you know, six months in almost a year ago, I met john john Florence, but anyway of the surf world, right? But anyway, so I’m talking about something that was happening 567 years ago, and I had this great idea for a video game and just by chance I met the head or one of the heads of Activision and they’re the ones who put out Guitar Hero. Okay, so, again, that’s me not trying. That’s me living in a trailer in the middle of nowhere on food stamps and I meet you know, the head of Activision. Who makes the video game Guitar Hero. So after 18 months of being a hermit, I pitch my video game to him. And he’s like, I love it. And I said, Okay, there’s only one thing. I definitely want the band MGMT to be the music for this video game because you know how all video games are these days. They’re all hot. And they’re all slick. Yeah. And you got to have the right music right. And I said, I want MGMT if I’m selling this game to you, like if I’m selling you the concept, MGMT, happy part of the package, and the guys like go get MGMT. So I literally don’t even know anything about this band. I just knew I like their music, but I had no idea if it was girls boys if they were 80 or 40 or 20. You know, and I knew nothing about them,
David Ralph [28:46]
but you must know music.
Veronica Grey [28:48]
Right? But I knew nothing about what they looked like. Okay,
David Ralph [28:51]
you must know that. Surely. Oh boy is just by the sound of their singing.
Veronica Grey [28:56]
Have you ever heard Andrew van wine hardens voice No, I’ll be honest. I’m like a girl. Okay, you know, he he like, I don’t know if it’s called falsetto. But he can sound like a girl on some of his songs. He really can. Anyway, so I reached out to the band on Facebook and they liked our lead. They invite me out. They’re like, Yeah, come see us in Little Rock, Arkansas. So I get on a plane to Little Rock, Arkansas. And I didn’t even know who the lead singer was till I was like face to face with him backstage. And I’ll be honest with you. It was like love at first sight. And I was like, Oh, my God. Like it was I’m sure you’ve had this happen to you, David, where you meet someone and you look them in the eyes and you could feel the electricity between your two eyes that you can almost hear it crackling. Like, like between you two. And the first thought in my head was not another rock star. Like No, no, no, because Remember I had just come out of being hiding in the desert for 18 months disappeared from the world licking my wounds because my relationship with Billy Corgan didn’t work out. And I go to find this band just to hire them for a video game. I was not thinking anything but that like, I could care less if they were girls, you know what I mean? Like, I just liked their music. But it was literally stupid love at first sight. And then so for like the last five years, I was involved with Andrew of MGMT and how my career started, how he really he’s the one that really kick started my career like, he forced me to start going on TV. He pushed me and pushed me and pushed me even though I really didn’t want to, because that’s work. I just kind of wanted to sit at home. eat pizza, watch TV. That’s really who I am at heart. Like at heart. I am girly relationship girl who likes to sit at home. Wait for her boyfriend, eat pizza and Watch TV Of course now I’m raw vegan, so I wouldn’t be eating pizza. I’d be eating like
David Ralph [31:05]
somebody if you are on the couch with a Why are you going against that? If that’s your core essence and everything we spoken about so far is literally you going with the flow, embracing the opportunities that come your way. But what makes you act differently when you fundamentally want to? You want to sit at home and just wait be a boyfriend and eat pizza, but you’re getting on the wards and you’re having a kick ass life basically.
Veronica Grey [31:31]
Well, first of all, Andrew is a really awesome musician. I don’t know if you’ve heard of the band MGMT. Never, there is a bet they’re the best at what they do in their genre. They’re like the Pink Floyd of you know, this generation. They’re super. They’re at the top of their game. They’ve won a Grammy. And anyone who’s heard of MGMT is like, Oh, my God MGMT. They’re like yeah, they’re very good. And so you know if that’s who you You’re involved with, you have to keep busy because he’s on the road all the time. So even though I would have liked my life to have gone a certain way, fate brought me into another freaking musician. And I’m just like, I don’t know what your personal life has been like David. But let’s say you’ve dated a model, and it ended up really badly. Trust me when I say this, the last thing you would ever want is to date another model, right? I can’t
David Ralph [32:24]
remember the last time I dated to be honest, I’ve been with my wife for so many years. It’s, I must have been a small child.
Veronica Grey [32:31]
Oh, you’re so blessed. You’re so blessed. I think I think that is heaven on earth. Heaven on Earth is being in the right relationship. If you had to ask me my definition of heaven on earth,
David Ralph [32:44]
when I’m in heaven every day even even even when she’s not happy with me, I must be in heaven.
Veronica Grey [32:50]
You really are and please, please vote sounds like you are It sounds like you appreciate it because you know what annoys me is when I see couples bickering and fighting I’m like, you know how lucky Are you guys are to be even in the same room. And I think that when I’m things like, you know, when you get to see this person you love twice in one month because they’re on the road. You know what I mean? And those have been my past relationships. You know, like, at best, at best when Andrew and I were doing our best, I would see him two times in one month.
David Ralph [33:20]
You know what I mean? It’s one thing you follow me around, Ben? Well, why didn’t you be the groupie girlfriend?
Veronica Grey [33:29]
Because I don’t know. I, I don’t think they would have he would have had the same respect for me.
David Ralph [33:34]
You could have been like Yoko Ono, you could have just been sitting around all the time.
Veronica Grey [33:40]
That’s what he pushed me from afar and he was like, go on TV. Because my cause and my heart is with the environment. Doesn’t matter how great our blessing relationships are. Our environment is suffering really bad and last week, I was very shocked and happily surprised. define an email in my inbox saying you have just been given the 2015 special Humanitarian Award, along with Leonardo DiCaprio, because he helped me put together a short documentary called worst shark attack ever. Which is about how humans are killing sharks. And that website is worst shark attack ever.com anyone who’s interested can go see the movie. And because of all my friendships, it’s like yeah, it stars Leonardo DiCaprio the cure MGMT and john john Florence. Like, I’ll put all my friends in the movie because let’s face it, people will listen more if it’s got a celebrity endorsement.
David Ralph [34:40]
Yeah, but these you know, Leonardo, he’s, he’s beyond ala Lister, isn’t he? How did that come about? Are you now at that point where, because of your connections, you realise that these people are reachable and you’re happy to reach out?
Veronica Grey [34:57]
I sure am. I sure am. And I’m a little Love it. I will not pretend I don’t love. You know, having a little inside thing with David Bowie or making a movie with Leonardo DiCaprio, or a lot of the stuff that happens. They are super, super private. So I can’t give too many details of what goes on behind the scenes between us. But as you already know, we are all walking a crazy spiritual path that it isn’t sexual. It isn’t drug fueled, unfortunately. Because I’ve certainly had fun with that. It’s really now just like, we need to do something about this planet because, for example, I’ll throw out a heavy statistic. The size of 48 football fields of rain forest is cleared off every single minute. So since this, since this interview started, how many thousands of acres of rain forest has been cleared off, you know what I mean? And, and those of us who are blessed to live lead lives where we do have some downtime are able to think about the big picture of the macro. And it’s no longer about you know, orgies or group sex or something like that. It’s like anyone with free time has to be looking at the environment. You just have to be
David Ralph [36:27]
well Yeah, I agree with you totally. But I imagine that the listeners out there listening to this conversation, I sort of wondering what what do you call yourself if somebody meets you in a bar and they say what do you do for a living What do you call yourself first of all, because how do you actually bring in income to survive? It’s all like going out. I go surfing and I do this and I do bad.
Veronica Grey [36:50]
Oh, well, everything I do. I mean, I do have okay my shark repellent swimwear is to protect you from shark attack you that is sold online. line. I have a number one best selling book with john john Florence that is sold online. I have another line of software. I have, you know, those sort of things. It’s all online sales. And again, on that website worst shark attack ever.com if someone was to go to that they get to see the movie. There are links to my other projects if someone was interested in shark repellent swimwear, whenever they go in the ocean to protect themselves from shark attack, they can click through from that website. If someone is interested in mine and Jon Jon’s best selling book on Amazon. They’ll find it on that website. We’re starchitect ever calm just because I linked to all my other projects. But the funny ironic thing is that work shark worst shark attack ever.com or just a movie is completely Not for profit. It has no budget. I didn’t have to pay the cure to be in it. You know, Leonardo DiCaprio was the first to step up and suggest I use his footage. Because we knew that would get a lot more eyeballs. And everybody’s just working for free. Because we all just care. We all just really, really care. So
David Ralph [38:23]
it’s interesting concept, though, isn’t it? Because when you think of sharks, the thought of actually going on a surfboard in an area that there might be sharks is going to stop me going in the water in the first place. That’s the thing. But the film literally says that if we get rid of the shots, we’re destroying ourselves. And it’s the it’s the sort of the chain that goes through. But I really misunderstood on a one of these creatures, but actually, you’re just out there doing their thing, and we’re getting in the way.
Veronica Grey [38:54]
They are completely misunderstood and they’re so critical to evolution. That is If we get rid of sharks, this planet will be so different. They have been here for 400 million years they were here before birds. They were here before trees. Okay, so you can imagine what role they played in evolution. They are the apex predator of the ocean, they keep the population of smaller fish in check. If we got rid of all the sharks, the population of smaller fish would explode, there’d be so many more smaller fish, that they would eat up the coral reef. And the coral reef is like the lungs of the planet, they absorb the sunlight, and they spread it out over the planet. So a dead coral reef, instead of absorbing the sunlight. It would reflect the sunlight off of the ocean, that would create a greenhouse effect that humans would not be able to survive it. And so this is why this this documentary, it’s only 21 minutes but it’s so critical that people need to be aware of That we got to stop killing what’s in the ocean? Because the statistics are, we are killing sharks at a rate that they will go extinct in the next five to 10 years. So this isn’t something like, oh, maybe in 40 years, you know, our poor great grandchildren. It is not like that. I’m talking like it is five years from now. And we need to stop now before it’s too late. If it isn’t already. That’s why I’m so passionate about going on your show. And any show who wants to listen. Because there’s so many things we can’t control and people like Oh, the environment, the environment, we can do anything. We can control this problem. We can all stop eating seafood. Sushi used to be my favourite food. It really did. And every time I go to the grocery store just 48 hours ago, believe me I still stood there at the sushi aisle. I let my I still doodle drooled a little bit. I let my mouse drool and then I went over to get myself some edamame and that’s what I went home with I went home with a dam at a mommy I didn’t go home with a sushi. Because if you were to notice what’s going on in the ocean, whenever they catch any fish, they just just send out these giant boats that scrape the bottom of the ocean and take up everything in its way and it’s so scary and so horrific and
David Ralph [41:23]
jumping in did they scare you on a surfboard and you’re whizzing along and you suddenly see a big thing, because I would be terrified. Do you look around and go, Oh, it’s a shark or would you go under the water get out the water.
Veronica Grey [41:36]
First of all, every time I’ve seen a fin, I’ve prayed to God, it was a dolphin and it was and but still there is that moment where your heart drops to the bottom of your stomach. And it is I would never, ever want to come across a shark and knock on wood. Like seriously won’t don’t want it. I don’t need that as one of my you know, great story to tell. Lunch? I don’t want it. Yeah.
David Ralph [42:03]
So so if we sort of take you right back in time, which we normally do earlier, but for some reason I got I got seduced by the the full of romances with rock stars. I haven’t managed to go there. And you’d very similar to the very young Veronica, if we went back to like the five year old and the eight year old, which we do literally every day and Join Up Dots. Is there a connection to that that young girl that is, is relevant to your work every day?
Veronica Grey [42:33]
Oh, my gosh. Well, that young girl was really naive and innocent. And I’m still totally naive and innocent.
David Ralph [42:46]
Except for one day, can you if you’ve hung around with rock stars, and God knows well, I would have thought
Veronica Grey [42:52]
but I didn’t sleep with that. Are you obsessed with
David Ralph [42:55]
sleeping with people, Veronica? That’s all. That’s all. You talk about. What we’re doing Afterwards once we stop recording, we get all the juicy details. But no, it’s when you see sort of life like that going on surely being naive goes out the window, doesn’t it?
Unknown Speaker [43:12]
Veronica Grey [43:18]
I was just recently talking to john john Florence, the celebrity surfer. And I said to him, I want to get you in a room. Okay, this is so bad. If you think it is inappropriate, just edited out
David Ralph [43:30]
a styling in I like it already.
Veronica Grey [43:33]
Okay, cuz he’s a really clean living person. You have to be to be a top athlete, right? And I’m like, I want to get you in a room. I want to do a bunch of blow with you. And I want you to tell me what celebrity sex is life like.
David Ralph [43:47]
And did he say is it my birthday? or What did he What did he respond?
Veronica Grey [43:56]
He said, Well, he basically said I promise not to try to cocaine unless it’s with you, that’s all.
David Ralph [44:03]
He’s a cool dude, isn’t he?
Veronica Grey [44:06]
He really is. And so, basically that just goes to show you even I think that’s why these musicians, for better or worse, really like me is because I am this like sweet little innocent naive girl. I was I’ve been denine Burning Man. Do you know what Burning Man is?
David Ralph [44:23]
I didn’t until recently, but I do. It’s when they build the town in the middle of the desert and then sort of take it down.
Veronica Grey [44:29]
Clint Arthur, Clint Arthur’s been twice and I think he’s an amateur he needs to keep going. But anyway, so last year I was at Burning Man and yeah, you can probably find Leonardo DiCaprio there. But anyway, but he’s so cool. He would be running around and goggles and a mask. You’d never know it was him like that’s part of the Burning Man experience. You just want to go and you know what I mean? You don’t want to be yourself. But anyway, so I was in another a list rock stars. RV I won’t mention their name because they specifically told me not to see I can keep a secret. If they say Don’t tell anybody about this. I do. I do not. But I will tell you these from the UK.
David Ralph [45:08]
No one’s no one’s listening to Monaco. It’s just you and me.
Veronica Grey [45:14]
Oh, no, because I plan to see him again this year. And when I see him the first thing I’m gonna say is I didn’t tell anybody.
David Ralph [45:20]
Oh, next time, you
Veronica Grey [45:23]
know, so anyway, we’re hanging out. And I literally had to run screaming from his trailer because four people tried to have group sex with me. And it wasn’t him. He had a lot of respect for me. He left to go have a meeting with Puff Daddy. I’m not kidding you True Story Burning Man. He’s like, well, I’ve gotta go. I’ve gotta go have a meeting with Puff Daddy. Now I’m like, that’s cool. So I meant his RV. And his entire management team tried to hit on me. And they brought girls in because they’re like, well, let’s try to Get a girl to get her in
Unknown Speaker [46:05]
David Ralph [46:07]
get any business done. I keep it all together.
Veronica Grey [46:11]
I ran screaming from the RV and I’m just like, I really am this sweet and nice person I just I don’t want it I want something like what you and your wife have that’s what I would like to live my life and I and if you listen to the song
David Ralph [46:26]
doesn’t sound too bad to me to be honest at the moment.
Veronica Grey [46:30]
Well there’s an entire website dedicated to you know, if people want to know more about the songs it’s a tiny url.com forward slash YouTube forever.
Unknown Speaker [46:44]
Veronica Grey [46:46]
and like all these songs are just like sweet innocent songs about me because I meet them and they know like I’m so passionate about the environment like I basically dedicate any money I make goes right back into like some environmental cause Live very simply and humbly on the North Shore of Oahu. I don’t even have a TV.
David Ralph [47:05]
Did I tell you that I gonna ride this Banos? Just
Unknown Speaker [47:09]
know it shocks? the heck
David Ralph [47:12]
of it. Look at all?
Veronica Grey [47:13]
No, no, it shocks the heck out of me. And then somebody else will tell me and I’ll be like, you cannot be serious. I’m like, why would you to put out a whole album that is Hawaiian themed? And they’re like, no, they really like you. And I’m like, and then it gets to the point, that if I don’t accept the fact that Songs Of Innocence is completely inspired by me and they’re like, look at the song’s called volcano. And who do you think he’s saying about sitting on a rock on a volcano? It’s you and it’s like, if somebody is telling you that. You better acknowledge that YouTube wrote Songs Of Innocence thinking of you. It’s almost rude if I keep saying No, they didn’t know they did it. No, they did it. You know what I mean? It’s like someone’s trying to give you a nice gift. You have to accept it graciously. You have Missy, thank you, then you had to tell Bono Why haven’t you guys come here in a while?
David Ralph [48:05]
It was always an amazing gift isn’t it is it’s astonishing. I couldn’t imagine Bono saying to anyone Yeah, I’ve, I’ve written this song about a UK podcaster. It’s going to be on the new album.
Veronica Grey [48:17]
And so the fact that it will never come, it will never come, that information will never come to you that way. But I mean, like I said, since I do run in this circles, it’s usually Andrew of MGMT, who tells me what somebody has to say to me. So he’s like, No, you need to like you need to look at the new YouTube album. Like he’s like, he’s like, you really need to because it’s kind of rude if you don’t
David Ralph [48:42]
get involved and things like that, you know, the English because I can almost understand the American sort of bands but Coldplay and Asia now arranger, that’s one of my favourite bands. Yeah, I do as well. I love Arabia. But that’s a bit bizarre, isn’t it? But now you’ve connected with you
Veronica Grey [49:00]
You know, they’re just so Okay. Here’s the thing you want to know why Billy and I didn’t work out. I’ve never said this on any other show. Because he admitted to me finally that he didn’t mean any of the songs he wrote for me that he was just using me for material like he point like, admitted it to me. He’s like, I know I basically I tricked you, I let you believe that I was madly in love with you that we were going to live forever together. And I just was really just using you for material. Sorry, too bad. And that’s when like Robert Smith and Martin gore started to rally around me because they saw me basically get used and dumped by someone for years, just for material and my heart was devastated and broken. But then it was also to touch on what you asked me earlier when you go to a bar or something and how do you what do you call yourself I call myself a muse. That’s really what I am. I’m just a muse. Because They have told me and not to convince. Yeah, maybe you too did get inspired to write songs of innocence. Partially for me and about me with titles like every breaking wave, and California there’s no end to love those are all surf songs man. And they let me know that but then they also let me know we don’t really think you’re, you know, we’re not like in love with you or anything. We just need material. And you’re just refreshing, you know, that’s all it is. So don’t get let it get to your head. We don’t even want to hang out with you. We’ll take a picture with you. But we have our own busy Rockstar lives girl. And most of us have wives to go home to not that I’d ever put that energy towards it. But that’s the Absolute Truth. So you know, Coldplay has no problems writing a song and then certainly you raise your that song. You know, that song that earase you wrote, which was called under the wave, which was also partially inspired by me. It’s like, Oh, my God, so sweet. And so I I met them and I recorded my meeting with them and I put it on YouTube. Anyone can look for it, you know, you raise your hand Veronica grey because I’m basically asking like, have you guys ever even been surfing? But that’s what makes it so cute and so sweet. It’s like, part of the lyric of under the wave is, is you know Andy Bell singing, you know lyrics where he’s like, I don’t know what to do. I don’t know what to say.
David Ralph [51:30]
Because you’re so open, you’re just you seem very vulnerable. is what we like about you.
Veronica Grey [51:38]
I’m vulnerable. I’m accessible. I’m super freaking polite. I’m part Filipino. I was born in the Philippines. If you’ve ever met anyone Filipino. We’re literally like the most polite people on earth. You know how Asians have that stereotype of being like, super polite. I am that person. Like to a point where almost a doormat but not like, that’s where I draw the line like, I’ll be super polite, but I’ll never be a doormat. And yeah, I don’t know what it is, but I’m sure grateful but you know what, at the end of the day they’re just they just need good refreshing material. That’s all it is. And you know if that’s if that’s what it is. And if MGMT wants to write three albums inspired by me that’s fine because at the end of the day and was like, I’m the first one who wants to order your rash guard you know, your sugar pond rash guard, but now I get to go on eBay and say, you know, this shark repellent rash guard has been ordered by Andrew van wine harder and of MGMT and john john Florence, like, they pay me back with energy. So it is a muse, musician, relationship. That is what I have with these people. I’ve learned to accept it only because I was crushed and devastated to find out That pretty much. Billy Corgan alone has probably written about 150 songs, and partially inspired by me. And he finally admitted his, like, he just needed the material. And I mean, nothing more to him than, you know, God bless you, but all your guests, you know, you have a bunch of guests coming through your studio, and I’m sure you’d love us all. You know, and I mean, but you know, the sun doesn’t rise and set out of our booties for you. That’s your wife, and for Billy, he made me feel like the sun and the lyrics, you know, Rosen set out of my eyes. I mean, they’re literally literally lyrics where he says that
David Ralph [53:37]
I’ll be honest with you. I feel very connected to every guest. I think reason that this show has become so powerful is that it’s a very open interview is more a conversation. And afterwards, I literally feel like I’ve known the people all my life, and we feel very connected and we, we respond by emails and we connect on Facebook and stuff and it’s like Friendship, but has been built up. So for this moment,
Unknown Speaker [54:05]
David Ralph [54:06]
showing doesn’t come out your booty.
Veronica Grey [54:09]
Okay? Yes, I will say I will agree with that, okay. But you don’t want to take this home with you. You don’t want to, you know what I mean? But Billy made me believe and I’m taking you home with me, and you’re going to live in my house. And I mean, he still has my birth certificate because I did think like, I moved on my important things to his house, you know what I mean? And, and then to find out after seven years, it was like, well, I really, really just needed another one number one record. And
David Ralph [54:42]
so let’s play some words now, but is probably the greatest material that’s been left to us and certainly has been the whole show. These are words that Steve Jobs said back in 2005. So powerful on a daily basis,
Steve Jobs [54:57]
Steve Jobs. Of course, it was impossible. Connect the dots looking forward when I was in college, but it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [55:33]
Now you’re really on your own path. So does those words mean anything to you?
Veronica Grey [55:38]
Oh my god, I love it. I love it. But you know what I was thinking the whole time I was listening to it. All I kept thinking was, well there’s one thing that I believe in more than anything. As cheesy as it may sound, I believe in our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. And if that was has protected me through all this craziness, and and And you know, everything else like I read the Bible regularly. But I feel like the Bible can be read in so many different ways. It’s like if you watch an episode of The Simpsons with a seven year old kid, you’re gonna get something different out of watching that episode that seven year old kid does, right? Yeah, but you can post sit down and watch it together. Right? And that’s what the Bible is. It’s like you can read it on so many different levels in so many different ways in different stages in your life. And I mean, that’s why I mean, even though like, I’ll be like, yeah, I’m this muse. Yeah, I love Leonardo DiCaprio. I might meet up with them at Burning Man this year. But at the end of the day, I am Forrest Gump. You know what I mean? I you know that so I often quote, quote, Kurt Cobain. I think I’m dumb. Maybe just happy. And maybe that’s why people like me, it’s like, I do not think I am the smartest tool in the shed. I think I am the last person to know that the costume party was called off, and I still showed up in my costume. That is how I often feel backstage with these rock stars. I really feel completely inadequate. I’m just like, Oh my God, is that the Lena Christensen? You know what I mean? sitting next to you. And you’re just like, I just don’t even try. I don’t even wear makeup around these people because it’s like, you know, they’re hanging around supermodels all the time.
David Ralph [57:27]
It’s your innocence, isn’t it? That’s the key thing. That’s what’s come across to me on this show. But you live in life, which is unusual. You circle with people who are probably in many ways jaded by life, but you’ve remained an innocent
Veronica Grey [57:45]
you can call it whatever you want. naive, pure, but yeah, and that’s why it would like I have no idea what celebrity sex is life. I’ve celebrity sex is like I’ve heard the crazy stories. I want to know And that’s why I’m like john, john, you have the tummy and he’s like, okay, I’ll tell you. But you know what? He’s also already told me he’s like, Veronica, when you hear about it, you’ll be so glad you’ve never done it. And I’m like, I know. That’s why I want to have a marriage like David Ralph like, to me when you if you were to hear his stories, you wouldn’t even be more grateful than you are now to be in your nice backyard and Essex, doing podcasts. You know what I mean? was like that is heaven on earth. It isn’t being on the road, you know, with groupies. That’s why I never was one. I never was one and never will be one.
David Ralph [58:38]
So So what is your big dots on the Join Up Dots timeline, when you look back on everything, what was the sort of moment or the connection that really started moving you in the direction you’re going today?
Veronica Grey [58:51]
Love just if you’d like it’s just it’s kind of what Steve Jobs was saying. And that was the first time I’ve heard that quote. By the way, but he’s just saying, follow your heart. And I have and I always have, and I get hurt every freaking time. I get hurt every time. It’s so bad. It’s almost like suicide Kamikaze. But you know what you don’t get the songs written if you don’t. And I don’t go into a situation going, Oh, I wonder what songs will be written. Now, you don’t go into it like that you can’t have that kind of expectation energy. Every time it happens. It’s a shock. It really is. But like, Surfing is my love living on the North Shore is my love talking to john john, he’s just the best talking to God. That’s just the best. I mean, I just lead with love.
David Ralph [59:44]
This is the end of the show now. And we could have gone in so many different directions. But we always end up at the same point. And this is the bit where we send you back on time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young Veronica, what age would you choose and what advice would you give what would Gonna find out because I’m gonna play the theme tune and when it fades you up. This is the Sermon on the mic.
Veronica Grey [1:00:30]
Okay, um, I would pick Veronica at the age when she first slept with someone. Want to say what age that was. I know you’re like thinking I’m sex obsessed. But I feel like so much of what’s going wrong in the world today is people having sex with somebody who’s not right for them. It is so spiritually and emotionally destroying, that I would tell my younger self, don’t do it until you are happily married. And that’s that’s the true
David Ralph [1:00:59]
Thank you. Do you think she would listen?
Veronica Grey [1:01:01]
If she knew then what I know now for sure, for sure. I mean, I have loved and lost and had great experiences. But I could have had the same lessons learned without having the sex involved. You know, I mean, like, I still haven’t met the same people and let let the same lessons. I just didn’t have sex with them. And you’re blessed. I don’t know if you want to talk about but you said you met your wife at quite a young age. I think you’re really, really bust.
David Ralph [1:01:26]
Yeah, what did I was? Well, I was 21. Really, and I’ll be honest, she was the first girlfriend that I had, but I knew was was right. And I knew pretty early that it was gonna be for the rest of our lives. And I just know that we’re going to be 80 year olds together. And, you know, that’s how life is gonna be and their kids are going to grow up and leave us and it’s just going to be the two of us together.
Veronica Grey [1:01:52]
Did you have kids together?
David Ralph [1:01:54]
Yeah, we’ve got five kids. And we’ve got one grant and three, three of them. grown up. And the two youngest my daughter just turned 10 yesterday, and my son is 13 and the others are a bit older. And yeah, we we’ve we’ve had a lot.
Veronica Grey [1:02:11]
You had the perfect Norman Rockwell like,
David Ralph [1:02:14]
it’s pretty damn good is I’ll be
Veronica Grey [1:02:18]
so blessed. Well, if I could have had that at 21 that’s what I would have gone for. Well, much as all this fun, crazy things I’m doing now. And yeah, it is great. But I say this to john john all the time, all the time. I would trade it all for the right relationship, all of it.
David Ralph [1:02:38]
That relationship is just around the corner, I’m sure. Now Veronica, this is the end of the show. So how can our audience connect with you?
Veronica Grey [1:02:47]
I’d say go to worst shark attack ever.com because today is Earth Day. And it’s a really great little environmental film. Thanks to Leo and Robert Smith and MGMT. J flow. So, you know, please go see worst architect ever.com. And then if they want to know about my projects, there’s links to all the other projects from that website.
David Ralph [1:03:12]
Brilliant stuff will have all the links on the show notes. Thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining up those dots and please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Veronica grey Thank you so much.
Veronica Grey [1:03:28]
David Ralph [1:03:32]
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