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Introducing Luis Congdon
Todays guest on the Join Up Dots free podcast interview is a fellow podcaster who has a great mission in life.
He is a man who is an expert in helping couples find the spark in their once vibrant relationships.
He helps build bridges where there are chasms to cross.
He inspires conversation where there is simply silence.
And he encourages bedroom passions, where there are just snores and sleeping.
But if this sounds like a man who has lived a life of perfect relationships and harmonious connections then think again.
As he says “Early in life, I learned about the heartache that comes when love doesn’t work.
Coming into this world, I was fatherless, and the youngest of three. Life in Medellin, Colombia wasn’t easy.
How The Dots Joined Up For Luis
My Mother was 25 years old, addicted to cocaine, and didn’t have any interest in taking care of her three kids.
When I was five years old my Mother was murdered. I was homeless for three years until I was finally adopted.
My life was transformed! I had a Mother, Father, and was surrounded by a loving family in America.
Soon after though, my adopted parents divorced. I was left confused and feeling like I couldn’t rely on love.
I made up my mind that love doesn’t last and turned to spirituality for the connection I was seeking. For nearly a decade, I devoted my life to becoming a monk. My path into spirituality taught me a great deal—But no matter how much I learned there was something missing.
That all changed when I met my first love. With her I found what I was searching for. I found someone I could be completely authentic and open with and someone who could see all of me. Falling in love was one of the most amazing experiences. It was much more than any meditation or spiritual experience could offer.
Then she broke my heart and left.”
So he has had some serious moments in his life, which could have left him saying “Why me?….What’s the point in loving?”
But instead he has been left with “How can I help you?”
Well let’s bring onto the show to start joining up dots, as we discuss the words of Steve Jobs in todays Free podcast, with the one and only Luis Congdon.
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Luis Congdon such as:
How he now feels that there is no such thing that can fall into the camp of impossible, and its simply up to him to find the way to achieve his dreams.
How he loves that he can now surround himself with the movers and shakers of the world and is surprised by the skill he has for networking.
How he had one really bad night with his peer group, which affected him to such a degree that his life was never going to be the same again.
How he is very aware of trying to learn from the people who have developed their zone of genius by researching the work ethic that got them to where they want to be.
How Richard Branson has mastered the ability of separating himself from the processes that most entrepreneurs get caught up with, and brings his true value to the table everday.
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Full Transcription Of Luis Congdon Interview
David Ralph [0:00]
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when we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:37]
Yes, hello there, everybody and welcome to a powerhouse episode of Join Up Dots because this is a man, this is a man who’s got his own microphone and it makes such a big difference when you hear the quality. I have some guests that turned out that literally, I think are trying to speak through one end of a dog and it doesn’t make for the best audio so there’s not gonna be much editing in this one. We’re just gonna let Fly and we’re going to find out what comes out at the end because he is a fellow podcaster who has a great mission in life. He’s a man who is an expert in helping couples find the spark in their wants vibrant relationships. He builds bridges, where there are chasms to cross he inspires conversation, where there is simply silence and he encourages bedroom passions when they are just snores and sleeping. But it sounds like a man who’s lived the life of perfect relationships and harmonious connections. When think again, as he says early in life, I learned about the heartache that comes when love doesn’t work. Coming into this world. I was fabulous and the youngest of three life in Medellin Colombia wasn’t easy. My mother was 25 years old addicted to cocaine, and didn’t have any interest in taking care of her three kids. When I was five years old, my mother was murdered. I was homeless for three years until I was finally adopted. My life was transformed. I had a mother father, and we’re surrounded by loving family in America. Soon after bow my adoptive parents divorce I was left confused and feeling that I couldn’t rely on love. I made up my mind but love doesn’t last and turn to spirituality but a connection I was seeking. And for nearly a decade, I devoted my life to becoming a monk. Sounds a bit bizarre, because I’ve been speaking to him and I couldn’t see that coming. My path into spirituality taught me a great deal. But no matter how much I learned, there was something missing. All that change. When I met my first love with her, I found what I was searching for, I found someone I could be completely authentic and open with and someone who could see all of me. Now falling in love was one of the most amazing experiences it was much more than any mediation or spiritual experience could offer. Here we go event she broke my heart and left. So he’s had some serious moments in his life, which could have left him saying, Why may what is the point in loving, but instead he’s been left with how can I help you? He is a man on a mission. He is somebody that is really hustling and he is doing things on his own terms. So let’s be Bring him onto the show and start joining up dots with the one and only Luis Congdon. How are you, Luis?
Luis Congdon [3:06]
Awesome to be here honoured to be on your show. And that was simply one of the most incredible welcomes I’ve ever gotten for a show
David Ralph [3:15]
when we said that like to have you on it and I’ll be honest, when I was reading it, I was going blind in one eye. I’m not sure what was happening there. I was reading it thinking, hang on, I think I’m having some kind of mental moment. And it’s It’s fortunate I got through it because it is one of those introductions. I didn’t want to mess up because it’s got light. It’s got dark it is it’s a story which is extremely harrowing. Now, I’ve spoken to you beforehand, and you don’t sound like somebody that’s going well is me. You seem like somebody that’s going Yes, I am. What How did that change in your life?
Luis Congdon [3:49]
Definitely. Well, I think it’s changed in a lot of varieties of ways. You know. I think in a lot of ways life moves through waves, so I don’t know if it’s just one change or it’s a multitude of changes. But I can say that recently, I really got honed in and said, you know, what is my purpose? What is my passion? And I can tell you for the last week and a half, I’ve probably been sleeping an average of three to five hours a night, and been completely rested and just excited to wake up. I am in doozy. gastic about what’s happening and what’s going to happen tomorrow
David Ralph [4:27]
is a great place to be, isn’t it? And obviously, we’re going to touch on that in the show, because I’m like that I literally feel that I’m on. I’m on life’s drugs. Basically, I wake up each morning. And yeah, there are days that you think, Oh my god, I feel tired. But you still want to get out of bed. And it’s a very different feeling, isn’t it from maybe many of the listeners out there that are listening to this show on the way to a job that they actually don’t really want to spend eight hours doing? Do you look back on your sort of previous life and previous of incarnations when you might have felt that way and thought God I should have done things Yeah,
Luis Congdon [5:02]
definitely, definitely. I mean, I don’t know if anything comes before the time is right. So I don’t have a whole lot of regrets. But I can definitely say that when I look back on my life, I actually wish that I hadn’t spent so much time thinking that something was impossible, when it was incredibly available to me. And again, you know, I don’t know how to look back and regret. But I can definitely say, you know, when I was at an age when I wanted to date, I felt like meeting women was just so impossible. And how could those beautiful women just be right there? And I, for some reason, didn’t know how to talk to them. And, you know, how could I date this awesome, fantastic lady, and not know how to keep that relationship working? How could I have a job, want to leave it and somehow not know how to start my own business? So there’s always that question that can come up. And the really the key difference now as I don’t have that question, I just go, this is what I’m doing. This is what I’m excited about. And I’m going to pull Through, it’s going to happen. And then I also have an incredible amount of trust that I am being supported in every way possible to make whatever dream is on my mind right now. I just have a really strong sense that now is the time.
David Ralph [6:14]
That that is a key point, isn’t it? Because I feel that as well. A lot of people have said to me, and I’ve kind of said it myself in shows God, I wish I’d started this earlier. But it wasn’t like that there wasn’t the right time. I hadn’t found that moment that said, This is it, you’ve got to do it. Now. You got to move on. There was always something holding me back. Or perhaps my experience wasn’t there. When you are doing and we were obviously going to talk about your, your web based platform and the work that you’re doing in the sort of relationship building. But when you sort of look back, what was the biggest thing that held you back? was it was it money? Was it time? Was it just those thoughts in your head that other people do? It’s not me
Luis Congdon [6:58]
you know, the biggest thing For me that I feel has held me back for a long time is not creating the right level of support in my life to make my dreams happen. When we have a dream and a vision, the first thing we do is we think that we need to accomplish it, I need to do this, I got to do this. This is my thing. And good luck having anything happen if you can’t align yourself to a large amount of people, or even just a few people, I really believe in a strong quality and high level, just numbers, but very high quality numbers of people being surrounded. And now with the power of social media, as it goes for me and my life has just made that incredibly easy. at home. I saw your show and I said man David Ralph is just crushing it. I love his podcast hold me dinya You didn’t say I wanted met that. I did that. And you did. Let me know that I’m not the only person in the United States that’s done that so
David Ralph [8:04]
he’s making that don’t do plays the piano. That’s that’s the only two routes in the world.
Luis Congdon [8:09]
So I saw I saw you and I said it, you know, I want to meet this guy. And because of the power of social media, it was easy. I just went to your website, checked out a few shows, wrote your message. Then I went to Facebook and left you a message. Next thing I know, we’re chatting, and I’m just thinking, this guy’s even cooler now, you know, and it’s so easy now with social media, to surround yourself and to get in the atmosphere of amazing people like this
David Ralph [8:36]
is I think Virtual Media is amazing when you use it the right way. But I certainly I get a lot of nutters coming to me now. And they’re quite hard to work out whether they up there on the level to begin with. They all seem to be very good. I now realise that if they come through Facebook, and by astonishingly beautiful ladies, they’re more likely to be hairy men. Some kind of weird structures going on in the background. How do you sort out the wheat from the chaff? How do you sort out the relationships that you think are going to be worthwhile? And the ones that you’ve been hanging on? This seems a bit strange.
Luis Congdon [9:13]
Definitely, I really the first, the first place that the first element of sorting that out is every relationship that I encounter, I have a rule and that’s I’m going to listen, I’m going to be really present. And in this 2030 minutes that I chat with you, I’m going to see how I can provide value to your life. That is going to be my mission. And that’s the only reason I’m here for you right now is how can I provide value? The next thing I start looking at is how does this person bring value to the world? Not directly to me, but how is this person feeling and living an inspired life? And how are they bringing that value back to the world. Just coming from that place makes it very simple for me to tonight. People out are tuned people in.
David Ralph [10:03]
But But when you you are doing that it takes a while to actually build up that trust relationship doesn’t it and and in Virtual Media lame, you find that somebody will come through to you, they say two nice lines and then they’re suddenly asking for stuff. Now, that’s not providing value that’s just being sort of grabby as I call it in this country. So how do you decide on the people that you are going to put your time and effort into because I think that holds a lot of our listeners back. There’s so many people, 7 billion people out there, how do they find the right ones that are actually going to help them move forward? And I’d like get rid of the ones I’ve actually just going to take up their time.
Luis Congdon [10:42]
Definitely. Well, you know, recently I’ve started a second avenue of my business. So my primary business for a long time and work and mission in life has been to help singles and couples have lasting love and have a relationship that really functions and works well. For me, that’s kind of like, for many people, the foundation of happiness starts with your intimate relationship. Then recently, I’ve just discovered I’m an incredible networker, man, because I come from a place I want to listen to you. I want to find out what’s going on with you and I want to help that’s made me incredibly powerful at connecting with people.
David Ralph [11:21]
And that’s where Gz lewis
Luis Congdon [11:24]
is surprised me that it was such a key asset to business. I’ve always, I used to be a Senior Director of a nonprofit that house unsheltered homeless women and families. And before that, I managed an apartment building that housed unsheltered homeless teenagers and young adults. So most of my life has been about service and serving people that are needy. Now I’m bringing those same skills into business. And it did surprise me because I never really completely saw that as a skill that will help me Not only build something that works and functions very well and has a strong team around it and lots of support, but that can also produce a lot of money. And, you know, recently I’ve been getting contacted by a lot of people saying, Hey, can you help me get on podcast? Can you introduced me? I know a lot of very well known people now that are friends on Facebook, I have their phone numbers, their emails, we talk, we have appointments, and I get a lot of contacts today I had somebody contact me. And he just kept talking my ear off. You know, I spent 20 minutes with him on the phone. We chatted actually, just a couple days ago, we talked for about 20 minutes. Then he wrote me some messages. I said, I’m going to help you with this. I did it. And then afterwards, he kind of asked me for some more things and I said, Listen, I really need to create a clear line. You know, you’re you’re young, you’re getting started in business, I want to help you. But I also want you to know that I’m incredibly busy, and I just don’t have the kind of time today Do some of the favours you’re asking me to do for you, I will see when it fits. But right now I you know, I have to focus on business. And if you would like to enter business relationship and create some sort of reciprocity through payment, then we can set that up. He just followed up with tonnes of questions. My God, my this, it started to hurt that I just was responding so much. And so I said here, this is the last favour I’m going to do for you. I did the favour. And then I said to him, you know, I did that favour. But I have to let you know that, you know, I don’t think that you and I will do well, working together, I can tell that you’re going to be a tough client for me. And I think that you should hire a different company to do what you’re asking for. He kept coming back with questions, Jesus, and I just said, you know, this is how much it would cost for you to work with me and I have to stop talking to you unless you enter a paid agreement. And as I said before, if I see fit, I’ll try to help you but I want you to understand that I’m so busy. And he asked me some more questions and I stopped responding. And you know, it’s up to him if he wants to click the buy button, and then we can proceed from there. But, you know, it’s kind of a tricky situation to, you know, fire people, so, so to speak,
David Ralph [14:14]
when it is when when you’re starting business, and if you’ve listened to any of my shows, certainly in the early ones I’ll be talking about, but I did a lot of stuff for free, because I just couldn’t do it very quickly. So I would just, oh, yeah, I can do that. And then, exactly as you’re saying, I came back for something more, I mean, something more, and I found it quite difficult to say enough is enough. Now I’m a lot better on it now. And funnily enough, as your profile grows, you get less of those requests for freebie work. People expect to actually pay so it does become easier. But at the beginning, is there a power in free for the listeners out there thinking of creating a profile? Is there a kind of, yeah, I will do work for six weeks for free. Because when I was leaving Some kind of possibility later one for me is would that be a good way of doing it?
Luis Congdon [15:06]
I am all about doing free. I’m all about helping people. It’s all about gauging how much time you have. And and, you know, seeing if it’s an investment for you, that is well balanced. There’s tonnes of power. One of the free things that I do right now that I’ve been doing is I’ve been offering podcasters 10 to 15 minute conversations with me. Now, on my podcasts, I’m hitting anywhere from 1000 to 3000 downloads a day. So I have a lot of people who are interested in learning some of those tactics. So I say here’s a link to my calendar, I will talk to you for 10 or 15 minutes, and I’ll upload you with everything that I can. That’s worked incredibly well for me because now I know, a huge community of podcasters in 10 to 15 minutes. I needed 30 calls a week like that. So you know it’s not a huge investment of time in my Mind, but it’s a high volume of people that I’m reaching and helping. And in 10 or 15 minutes, I’m able to really provide a lot of value, grow the network, and help people on pretty massive levels. And then after that, I find that most of those people come back to me and say, Hey, I noticed that you need this are you need that, or I have a friend who would be great for your show. And people tend to be fairly selective and how they’re reaching out to me, because I’m providing such incredible value. So there is a lot of value in doing so. I think you just want to pick the right community. Quick little story. I tried offering 2030 minute coaching sessions to a group of really spiritual minded people. Well, what I quickly found out is there’s a group of about 30,000 people in this Facebook, and I started offering some free sessions. I had about six of them. Not a single person offered to do anything back for me. Several people tried to reschedule another appointment with me in the I had to write them and say, you know, you get one like, that’s all I can give you. I just wanted to help you and pay it forward. But none of them offered to do anything, they kind of tried to get more. And so I cancelled that and I quit that. So it’s really about finding the right crew. I have business groups where you know, I am offering some coaching sessions, or I just respond to messages really quickly. And in those groups, I have been getting some tremendous love. People see a post and they say, oh, you’re looking for someone on that. Here. All you want to get on a show. I’d love to have you on my show. So be careful the group in the community that you’re reaching out to and make sure that you know that it’s the type of community that you strongly want to be a part of.
David Ralph [17:43]
What was fascinating about this is obviously you are sharing the gold in a business sense. But if we look back at your personal life, it would be quite easy to say I don’t want to get involved with other people but you love it, don’t you you can hear but you love getting involved with people and network. Working and providing value paying it forward. Whatever time after obviously your mother was taken away from you that you would have gone No, I’m not getting involved with anyone what did did you become like the lonely kid at school but just pulled pulled his arms in and sat there and didn’t want any contact?
Luis Congdon [18:20]
know I’ve always I, I’ve always been somebody who, who’s identified with human suffering and felt that part of my role was to help alleviate it. So, as a business person, my role is to help people find more happiness, because as people find more happiness, they become better people, they contribute more to society, and they naturally do the things that make them and others around them feel good. So I don’t have that, you know, I’m kind of nuts. I mean, I worked at a bookstore where people barely got paid anything. And it didn’t matter if you worked overtime didn’t matter. If you were a manager, everybody got paid the same. I remember one time I saw this man in there and he was kind of crying in a corner and stop and talk to him for a moment. Again, this is a very small bookstore, and it’s all related to spirituality. So we’re all there for a purpose. If we work there and talked to him for a little bit, he kind of told me a little bit about what’s going on. I suggested some books. He was there all day, I came back and chatted with him later. And he told me, he didn’t have a place to sleep. I said, Well, you can come and sleep in my place. You just, you got to promise that like, you know, you’ll be a good guest. And he promised and he spent the night at my place that night. So I’ve always been that kind of person. And I pride myself on trying and working my best at being that type of person regardless of what’s going on in my life.
David Ralph [19:42]
So So do you remember you because he was only five years old? Do you remember when you you, you sort of disappeared from your life or is that a part of your life but really was so far ago? It’s just like a dream.
Luis Congdon [19:56]
I had a really tumultuous childhood and I do remember it. I I remember moments like my mom coming home after being gone all day. And having left my sister and I locked inside of a house where there’s metal bars on the doors, and you have to unlock it from the outside. And there’s metal bars on the window so you can’t get in or get out. And she come home and do drugs and I have memories of her doing drugs and doing all sorts of wild things during the night. And I have memories of being beat and hit by her. And those are most of my memories. I remember the night that someone told me my uncle told me that she was murdered. And and I was homeless for a couple years with an uncle. Then I was putting into an orphanage. My parents from the United States came and adopted me they spent two weeks in Colombia and then I was brought to the United States. The difficult part for me was when I realised that I wasn’t like the other kids around me. You know, I didn’t have my biological parents. I didn’t come from this country and forgotten the language. of my native culture and what was
David Ralph [21:02]
so there was so many wedgie. Joe. Hi. Yeah,
Luis Congdon [21:05]
yeah. So I’m from meta gene Columbia that’s in so people, they’re Latino. We speak Spanish
David Ralph [21:12]
District of Columbia. Oh, that’s, that’s what
Luis Congdon [21:14]
about? No, no. So as you know, I was born in the 1980s, at the height of the cocaine cartel. I grew up about a mile or two away from Pablo Escobar, his house that he grew up in, so very poor, very violent, very crazy neighbourhood. And a lot of people would think that I would have kind of come out messed up, there definitely was a phase of my life. You know, I started selling drugs, and I started smoking pot and experimenting with alcohol, you know, just kind of getting crazy and I was only 12 years old at the time. It took me about two years to realise this, not the life that I wanted. I had a major transformation, cut off all the friends that were hurting me. And I think that’s where a lot of my ideas of community come from. Because when I was doing drugs identified with this community, and that’s what we did, when I had my transformation, I realised I can no longer be part of that community unless I want to continue living this pain.
David Ralph [22:13]
So so even at a young age, you were very aware of the power of surrounding yourself with the right people. But that’s quite forward thinking for a 12 year old, isn’t it? I imagine because I’ve never I’m not a great drinker. I have three or four points on basically, when I was 12.
Luis Congdon [22:28]
I was 12 when I started smoking pot and messing around with drugs,
David Ralph [22:32]
but did you did you you know, did you stop coughing instantly and all that business?
Luis Congdon [22:37]
With cigarettes? Yes, the first time I smoked pot, it seemed like a pretty wonderful experience. But after that, it was never really that good again, and I gotten a lot of trouble when I was 15 was when I had really kind of a cathartic break, and just had a horrible night with some friends. Then realise that these aren’t really my friends and what One,
David Ralph [23:01]
Ltd push you to that point when you realise this. This is this is one of your big dots in the Join Up Dots timeline. Yeah, people and you go, it was a bad night. So what happened?
Luis Congdon [23:11]
It’s literally one night so I don’t know how appropriate This is for your show but I ended up taking ecstasy with a group of friends and it was mixed group of friends some of us were 15 years old. Some of them were in their 20s and this was a group of people that I hung out consistently did drugs with some of them sold drugs. Our life was centred around drugs. Now secretly for the previous two years I’ve been writing poetry I hadn’t shared it with anybody was just kind of my own private life and ecstasy one of the things that it does is it increases the oxytocin and serotonin in your in your brain so you become incredibly happy. And whatever is like really real and true for you. You tend to express it and show it. So while on this drug, I started going to my friends and saying I love You guys, I really care about you guys. I’ve been writing poetry I’ve been working on my art. And I want to let you know that I really appreciate this and that about you. I would like to move beyond just doing drugs. I want to see us become elevated or all gifted. You know, Can I hug you? I just want to tell you how much I love you and all my male friends were just like, oh my god, like No, I don’t want to get off me. And this is weird, right? There was two girls there. Thank God, they were there. I should I should write them letters every year because these two girls totally latched on and they just were like, Oh my God, you’re so sweet. So beautiful. And I you know, said a few poetic lines. And they were like, Oh, you write poetry? And I was like, yeah, and they said, Well tell us more and I kind of went off on this poetic tangent, and they just totally loved and adored it.
David Ralph [24:49]
This is the most brilliant chapter technique I’ve ever heard. I’m not saying all get into this guys. But Wow, this works. You end up with two two women. You can’t turn to A single lady and suddenly got two of them flocking around you.
Luis Congdon [25:03]
Well, they, they were totally smitten. I had to go home, I had a curfew. I went home that night, and the next morning woke up for that,
David Ralph [25:15]
because that now Yeah, that’s sound bizarre, but you’re doing ecstasy, you’re having all these experiences, and you’re still knowing that you’ve got to go home at certain time, I would have thought by that time, you wouldn’t give a monkey’s.
Luis Congdon [25:28]
I respected my dad, and I knew that he was at home worrying about me. And that’s another thing about that drug. You know, it does make you care about people, at least to some degree. And for a very limited amount of time. I just want to say that for people because don’t don’t get an idea that this is going to be your breakthrough drug and you’re going to have what happened for me, that’s not normal at all. I went home, went to sleep. The next morning, I poured my eyes out, crying I opened up a journal and row. Probably the equivalent about 2030 pages of poetry, and just wrote my whole heart out, went to school Two days later, and decided that those people from that crowd are no longer my friends.
David Ralph [26:13]
Why? Why did you do that?
Luis Congdon [26:16]
What was really solidified when I showed up to one of my classes and this kid that I barely knew goes, whoo, I’m Luis, I love expressing my emotions. Let’s all hug man. And I just thought really like that. My friends were like telling this like, idiot, this stuff and I don’t I don’t know this guy. They’re supposed to be my friends. That just completely solidified for me that people that are your friends wouldn’t do that to you and feeling what I felt in that room was an expression of deep love. And if people couldn’t receive that, then they’re probably not the people that are also going to open me deeper to that. And I will tell you that day I stopped hanging out with them. I mean, I I still say hi to them. But I kind of I just avoided them. I stopped picking up their calls, I avoided them. I joined a poetry group and became the emcee for monthly poetry nights. I was the guy who hosted and organise the events. I joined the wrestling team, I got rid of a lot of like rap music that was degrading, and decided that I didn’t want to identify with that I did when I started running start completely, completely transformed. Join the wrestling team as well. My life changed. You know, and one of the things that I tell people when I tell the story is 15 years later, one of those friends who was there that night, I saw him at a DUI class, you know, he had been driving drunk, got a ticket, had to take these classes. I worked at a nonprofit that put these classes on. I saw him there. We chatted for a little while. We made an agreement to meet up and what do I get? He ends up picking me up in a car. He’s hot. How he later goes and drops off some pot while we’re driving around. And I just say to him like, okay, so you have me in your car, you have a DUI, you’re not really supposed to be driving under the influence your high, then you go sell pot, and you don’t tell me that you’re doing any of this. And it’s been 15 years. And I would just think that something that changed, you know, so the lesson of the story was, that was probably the best choice I ever made. Let me add one thing too, is when I saw him, he said to me, I even though it hurt, that you cut my friendship off from you, I understand and I’m glad that you’re doing so much better with your life now.
David Ralph [28:43]
Perfect story, perfect story and the ended up in exactly the right place that makes it feel so satisfied. Now I’m gonna bring somebody onto the show. Now that’s got very wise words, and it’s going to seamlessly move us to the next stage of our conversation. This is Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey [28:58]
My father could have been a great comedian but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love. Now, obviously, I’ll buy
David Ralph [29:26]
you wise words and the words that resonate with you.
Luis Congdon [29:30]
Definitely, definitely, you know, just recently, seven months ago, I left my job as a senior director of the nonprofit and I bought a one way ticket to travel through Southeast Asia for four months, went to five countries came back to the US, travelled through several states launched my business online while travelling through Asia started making money and I am no longer dependent on a job
David Ralph [29:58]
and so did you take over risk on doing what you love or has the thing that you love found you. And I always used to ask it in a different way. But now I think that’s a sensible way. Because sometimes these things just kind of wrap their arms around us. And we think, well, how did we never see this before? So what was it a leap of faith? Or was it as I’m saying something that just literally bound you?
Luis Congdon [30:21]
It was a little bit of both is definitely a leap of faith because I’ve tried before and landed flat on my face, and then had to go get a job. And this time around the right, the right chemistry of people in the right dynamics, or all came together to create kind of this harmonious merging of Okay, it’s finally time and you’ve earned your stripes so to speak, because I’ve definitely suffered in the process of learning how to become an entrepreneur, launch a podcast, get on shows, have a product, sell yourself, talk to people. It is just a gamut of skills. that you need to acquire. And it’s not easy. Most people think, Okay, I have the skills. Let me just, you know, set up a website, good luck. There’s billions of websites, you’re gonna have to learn marketing, you’re gonna have to learn networking. It’s insane amount of skills that an entrepreneur has to acquire. And you needed an incredible network to really help you with all of that.
David Ralph [31:23]
But that is the key thing, isn’t it? I think that’s one of the things I struggled with at the beginning of doing this show. I did literally everything myself. And Ben, I’ve got to a point where a lot of the stuff that I used to do, I started plotting to see whether it was actually worth doing. And because other people that told me are you should be doing this, I kind of thought, well, that’s the way to do it. And I’ve got rid of so much. And finally enough, I realised but the thing that actually grows your business is doing the keeping of your business and with me is the show it’s providing this content on a regular basis. Now we’ve Your business, what is your core thing? What is the element that literally will help it grow on its own?
Luis Congdon [32:08]
I’m teaching classes is one of them. That’s, that’s been the biggest one if I can get in front of an audience and in front of a group of people, specially in person, that helps tremendously. And again, like I said, I have a second business, which is more around networking, and helping people do PR kind of stuff. And the key thing for that one is my network.
David Ralph [32:34]
But you’ve had to build that up over a period of time, that isn’t a business that just opens its doors and it’s ready to go, is it?
Luis Congdon [32:41]
No, but I’ve built it very, very quickly. I like to say that my network is my network
David Ralph [32:48]
is one of those phrases I hear about a lot. And it’s kind of cheesy, but it’s absolutely true as well, isn’t it? All right. I come from a point of being an island. I’m very comfortable in My own space I’m very comfortable with not engaging with people when I’m quite antisocial in many, many ways. But doing this role, you realise that you can’t you’ve got to build up that network because it is your net worth. How does somebody do that? The listeners out there that are pretty much gonna have that mindset. But if I reach out to Lewis, he’s, he’s too busy for me, he’s not gonna help me. How can I reach out to people ahead of the curve to start building that network?
Luis Congdon [33:31]
I’m, I’m actually in the process of creating a product around that. I’m working on creating a book, some recordings and some videos. And I’m working with an incredible marketer who’s helping me put all of this together. And just a little tidbit, this marketer and I are teaming up. So I’m not certainly having to pay him for the work, because he because of me, he’s tapping into a network that on his own, he doesn’t have access to or would take him an insane amount of time. So, and just in a matter of a couple months and really more seriously, in a matter of like couple weeks, I’ve built this network to be incredibly powerful. The one of the top ways that you can do that is you see Ralph show, David Ralph show, and you you like you like what he’s doing, or you see an author and you like what they’re doing. Go to their website and send them a message, tell them what you like, and then tell them that you would like to chat with him for five or 10 minutes, ask them for something really innocuous. Most people that are doing something incredible with their lives, will find a way to make five or 10 minutes for someone that admires what they’re doing. You might think they’re too busy. But here’s the key. If you want something done, ask a busy person. And what that means to me is a busy person can always make some extra time in their schedule for something that’s a value to them. If you come to someone who’s busy, and you say I enjoyed x about this, and this is how it impacted me, I’d really love to chat with you for five minutes. It would be incredibly beneficial and an honour to me to have that few minutes with you. Would that be okay? I’ll work with your schedule. I’ll meet with you at 1am 2am three o’clock in the afternoon anytime. Just let me know. We can do it by phone, Skype, Facebook, Twitter, however works for you. I have gotten people that you would think are the most inaccessible people on the planet, say, Okay, and then at the end of those five minutes, I say, hey, the five minutes are up. You know, I really appreciate your time. Many people say you know, it’s okay, like I’m enjoying this conversation. Let’s have another 10 or 15 minutes. Next thing you know, they say hey, you know, I know somebody I’d like to connect you with them. So don’t be afraid to reach out to anyone and everyone that you’re inspired by.
David Ralph [36:06]
I find a lot of the time in this show, I reach out to people, just as you’re saying, to say, I love what you’re doing. And I particularly like reaching out to people that are new in his environment to give them some kind of, I don’t know, a confidence boost because it’s it’s very unnerving when you start. Am I going to get listeners? Are people going to like the show? Have I done the right branding? There’s so many elements to it. But what I found was that I get a lot of people come through to me going, I know you’re busy. And I always preempt it with I know you’re busy. Like, they almost want me to go, yeah, I’m busy. I haven’t got time for you. But the real successful people I find are the ones that become successful because they’ve moved past that business. When you’re creating a business right from the word scratch. You’re incredibly busy, and it’s really dreadfully time. Because you haven’t learned out what you need to do and what you don’t need to do, you haven’t learned what you can leave on the table what you have to do every single day. But the most successful people have Louis avonlea. And they are the ones that actually have more free time than you imagine, and are willing, just as you say, to sort of throw some crumbs your way because you ask in the right manner.
Luis Congdon [37:21]
That’s right. That’s right. And you don’t know what’s going to happen until you ask.
David Ralph [37:26]
You know, if you look at Richard Branson, we always talk about Richard Branson, because I he’s doing all right for himself, and he’s probably got a few dollars and quid in the bank. But you look at him and literally every video I see is not him in front of a computer. It’s him windsurfing, or on a boat or all these kind of stuff. And you kind of think how you doing this? How are you spending all your time just doing stupid stuff going up in spaceships and all that kind of stuff. Shouldn’t you be looking at spreadsheet? Shouldn’t you be dealing with your email inbox as what we do? We have to click Internet. But course he’s moved through as and he’s moved through the stages where he’s he knows what value he can bring. And it’s him being him, but he’s bringing the value in your life. Where does the actual Lewis bring the value away from all the streamlining of processes in that? Where is the true value that Louis brings to the table?
Luis Congdon [38:23]
Hmm, well, the true value that I bring is just my openness to people, and my willingness to say, hey, how’s your day going? What’s going on for you? And I try to do that anywhere and everywhere. I really don’t feel that that is a part of me that is separate from any other area of my life. I have a friend who I came to some time ago and I was really struggling with my business and getting clients and the key thing he said to me is, Luis, why don’t you focus on loving on people, you know, find out what’s going on for them. Give away what you really like, and do that. A lot, I started focusing on that. And I find tuned it to give that to the people that really, really can benefit and utilise that to the full potential. Now each person is going to define that in their own way. For me, it used to be being a Senior Director of a nonprofit for homeless people. Those are the people that needed the most. I’ve changed my mind, those are the people that I don’t really particularly want to make it a primary aspect of my life to serve them. But it’s built into my life that I will always do that for the rest of my life. But one of the primary ways that I’m going to serve people, whether or not they’re disenfranchised, or millionaires is I’m going to say hi to them and find out what’s going on in their life. And see if there’s some small way that with through our interaction, I have made their lives better.
David Ralph [39:50]
And you do do that, you know, I’ve got a big widow Raider, and when you first come through to me, it was I don’t know I have to say it felt touching that there was a kind of humility, there was an honesty. And even though it was on Facebook, where quite often it’s just sound bites with you, but there was a depth to what you said, and it made me come back to you and it made me have a conversation with you because of that reason is that just naturally in your is that a skill that you’ve had to learn is all like doing it face to face, but actually doing it, when you’ve only got so many characters in like a tweet or whatever, to still have that element of honesty and trust.
Luis Congdon [40:34]
I think that anything that we consider to be natural is also something that we’ve worked extraordinarily hard at. And so it appears to be natural. Anyone that I’ve ever met who has some sort of talent, I’ve discovered that they’ve worked their butts off to develop that skill to the point that it’s ingrained and it just pours out of them without a single thought. And I like to give around those kinds of people, anytime I’m trying to develop a skill, I say who’s doing that to the level where it’s just amazing. And it just spews out of them to a place where it’s like, is that genius coming out of them? Let me get around them. Because Because by proxy, I will learn on a deep unconscious level, everything that they do is geared towards getting those results. So who
David Ralph [41:25]
do you see in your life that’s got that kind of genius level where you can’t quite work out whether it is natural talent or hustle that has got them there?
Luis Congdon [41:36]
Yeah, one of those people in my life for me as my partner, she has an incredible quality of being loving, sensitive, attentive and deeply, deeply desiring to hear and to create a safe and loving space for me and for our relationship. And that’s why I’ve chosen her as my partner because she creates that So naturally, she also creates in me a deeper commitment. I’m very much like you, David, in that I also am to some degree, a little bit of a loner, I love meeting people. But I also really, really thrive on kind of doing my own thing. It’s me, you know me against the world. And I’m going to serve these people, I’m going to do this, you know, and I’m going to take credit for it. My partner on the other hands, like let’s do this together, let’s collaborate, let’s team up. Let’s share our strengths and our powers. Let’s be a team. For me, that is one of the best people to have in my life and on my team, because she’s teaching me the very qualities that I want to have more of.
David Ralph [42:41]
And do you need that ability to actually separate yourself from interaction? Did you come back stronger because I have days in the recording studio, where I do have a show, and I try to be very personable and I don’t even try to be personable, it just comes out of me. But then for two days afterwards, I don’t speak to us. person I’m just on the computer working away and people say, don’t you get lonely? I think now I love it. I just love being in my my office with no one bothered me. How could you not love that? But did you find the same? Do you come back stronger because you have that, that that time where you do lock the door and just hide yourself away. But
Luis Congdon [43:19]
I’m contrary to most people’s beliefs. I’m actually an introvert, I get my energy by spending time by myself. So I need that quite a bit. And again, my partner’s one of those people that kind of pushes me to the other spectrum where I’m learning how to recharge by spending time with her and by spending more time with my family. But one thing that will never change is that I do need an incredible amount of time to myself and to kind of dictate fully how, where and how I’m spending and utilising my time.
David Ralph [43:56]
When you do that though, can it get to a point where you’re You’re hiding away for too long did you actually block it out? But yeah, that’s that’s a day doing that that’s a day doing this or do you just allow it to naturally occur?
Luis Congdon [44:11]
I’ve never a I’ve
I haven’t in a while, felt that sense of imbalance. I’m sure I’m pretty imbalanced right now or at least from from an outside perspective. But right now I’m loving exactly how things are working. I’m spending enough time with the people that I love. They’re nearby. And I have those relationships fostered so well, that I don’t feel like there’s going to be a fracture if I’m not spending enough time with them. And vice versa if I am spending too much time with them or not enough time alone. I feel like I have enough work done in each arena that I don’t I guess I just I don’t even really relate to that question too much because I feel pretty like awesome in regards to how I’m doing things
David Ralph [45:00]
Then do you think that you can fall on the path that you’re on now? Or do you feel that because the passion is there, because the connections are there, because the competence is there. But it’s, this is your thing. This is this is your winner, and there’s no way that he’s gonna go anyway, back up.
Luis Congdon [45:19]
I definitely feel very strong sense that it’s going to go up and I’m excited for that. And I feel very enthusiastic and revitalised by feeling that upward stream and just that movement in that flow on a consistent basis. You know, for the past several months, it’s just been getting stronger and stronger. But I definitely have moments that flow in where I feel a lot of doubt and that’s when I come to my partner. That’s when I kind of go back to the drawing board and say, okay, you know, what are the holes, and if you’re not doing something big enough and challenging enough, then you probably won’t feel that incredible combination of God. I could mess up. And wow, this, this is going to be so amazing and I’ve got to work for it. Humans, in my opinion thrive on living on their, at their edge, you know, great art is at the edge, it makes you question it makes you feel in it and it strikes you at that point of, I’m not sure if I’m fully comfortable or I’ve never felt that level of intensity of happiness or lover, you know, great humour does two things, it makes you laugh, but at the same time, it kind of pokes a hole in something that you think about and maybe wouldn’t normally laugh at. And maybe after, or as you kind of go Wait, why did I laugh about that? So it’s on the edge.
David Ralph [46:40]
But I’ve got a lady sitting beside me who wants to come on the mic and say a couple of words. So I’m just gonna let her come on. Here she goes,
Unknown Speaker [46:45]
the way through the challenge is to get still and ask yourself what is the next right move? not think about, Oh, I got all of this stuff. What is the next right move? And then from that space, make the next right move, and the next right move, and not to be overwhelmed by it. Because you know, your life is bigger than that one moment, you know, you’re not defined by what somebody says, is a failure for you. Because failure is just there to point you in a different direction.
David Ralph [47:16]
Right, you can go Oprah, you need more practice. What do you think about those words, Louis, because I think they’re hugely powerful. The fact that as you say, you had those moments of doubt in all entrepreneurial journeys, where you think to yourself, Is this working? Should I be doing this? Now? She says, just sit there quietly and just forget about the big picture. Think about the next white thing. Is that a good message to get out?
Luis Congdon [47:42]
Um, I definitely think so. We’re not going to have the answers to everything. But as long as you’re creating some sort of forward movement, and you’re trying and you’re experimenting, then you know, one of the things that I learned early on as a wrestler my first year wrestling my very first match. I thought I was pretty good. I wrestled this girl. And as a high schooler, the idea of wrestling a girl,
David Ralph [48:09]
I love that that I’m really good. I’m wrestling. Yeah. That’s that’s dating.
Luis Congdon [48:18]
Well, I felt like I was incredible wrestling. And unbeknown to me, my first match was against this girl. And it was an incredibly hard, hard match. I was exhausted, I was winded, my lungs burned, she won. I felt a way to rap and Lewis
David Ralph [48:41]
because I think I’d be worried about just going for it in case in case there was any lady parts, but I shouldn’t have been grabbing older.
Luis Congdon [48:49]
Well, that’s the difference between you and the champion, you know,
David Ralph [48:54]
I just go for it.
Luis Congdon [48:55]
You just do it, you know, and you figure it out when you’re there. So lost that match. I don’t feel very good about it. I went back to the drawing board. And so what’s a different way that I can view this match? What’s it going to take to be a winner? And honestly, this year, I’m gonna get slaughtered out there. It’s just the facts. You know, a girl who’s not a very skilled wrestler, be Luis, and you thought you’re pretty good, but you’ve got a long ways. So what kind of mindset Are you going to have to take into the rest of the year, I made up my mind that every single match every single match, I was always a winner. I can always walk out a winner if I can learn something. So the better the person is at wrestling than I am, the more they get to learn. So if I lose, I still win as long as I learned something. So that year, I won consistently every single match I’ve ever had. I was a winner on paper, according to other people. was a horrible wrestler the next year. So let’s take that same thing. And let’s get some more wins. And what’s it going to take to improve that mindset? Okay, I’m a winner. And I’m learning how to work harder than anyone else, because I want to win even bigger this year. So that next year, I only lost a few matches. My senior year was crazy. I went from I only wrestled three years. I was wrestling people that have been wrestling for 1012 years and come from way wealthier families and had way more support in schools that this was kind of like you’re brought up into wrestling, and I made it to regionals. I was on a team with a kid who had spinal bifida in and he could barely I mean, the kid could barely walk and he came onto our wrestling team and was on the varsity team. If we went to a wrestling match, and that kid or anyone else on the team wasn’t there. We didn’t have a complete team, and we pretty much we automatically lost the game
David Ralph [51:04]
as a question and I don’t know if this is the right question whether you even going to be answering it. But with somebody like that, who’s got disabilities who’s getting involved? Well credit to him, you know, just go for it. But from the opponents, would they have had that mindset that I might have had with the girl thinking, Oh, I better go easy, or did they just steam into him like my, they would have done with everyone?
Luis Congdon [51:29]
Most people just steamed into. for them. It was a win and it was a quick win. As a wrestler, that’s always a nice thing to have, you know, you just go in you when you’re done. And why do you want to wrestle around with a kid who has a disability for very long? You know, that’s the way most people perceived it from my from my perspective, so people kind of just went in
David Ralph [51:49]
and what did the kid get from it? Because obviously, he was gonna be beaten most of the time. What Why do you think he wanted to put himself in that position?
Luis Congdon [51:57]
Well, he was a little bit mentally off as well. So He, I don’t think he had a huge concept that he was losing the very last match of the year we went to a big tournament. This is the one where you know people go and get titles and, you know, state championships kind of stuff. He was up against a kid that I had a really fantastic wrestling match and I was pretty respected as a wrestler in in Seattle and kind of the larger area. I went up to this kid who was going to wrestle The, the my team member with disabilities, and I said to this other kid, I said, Hey, you know, wants you to know that the guy you’re wrestling has spinal bifida, he’s a little bit mentally off. He’s never had a match that goes beyond about 15 seconds tops. Could you do me a favour? And he said, Yeah, what’s that? Could you could you wrestle at least a full round with him? You know, I don’t expect you to go the full three rounds. But could you just give them a match something that makes them feel good And he said, Okay, I’ll do it. They wrestled the full three rounds. And this kid was fine a bifida was breathing hard. He had never wrestled somebody like this. Nobody had ever given him that opportunity. Now, the other kid who was doing me the favour, his coach was yelling at him, like, just ban him and, you know, do this and do that. And the kid just kind of looked over at his coach and nodded his head, went the full three rounds against this kid and at the very, very end, pinned him so that you know, they they got the full pointage for the for the team. Now, this kid who with spinal bifida walks off and he is proud, he goes, Oh my gosh, I’ve never had a match like that. I mean, I did so well. I gave him a big hug. And I said, You did awesome man. So proud of you. What he got out of that was he got community, he got a chance to do sports. He got to feel like he was normal.
David Ralph [53:57]
What a brilliant story that it’s it’s done. Bose magic, isn’t it, it’s just that little bit of confidence that can make you fly. And who knows what he’s doing now?
Luis Congdon [54:09]
Well, what I do know is that, while I’m pretty sure he doesn’t listen to the show, because I don’t ever want him to know that story.
David Ralph [54:18]
Well, we’re going to bring on somebody that I’m sure if he was still around, he would be listening to the show. And he created the whole theme of Join Up Dots over 10 years ago. And it would be remiss of me to not play these words. So this is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [54:32]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college, but it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever, because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the content confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [55:07]
So what’s your big dot? Louise? When you look back on it? What’s the one when you go? Yeah, I think that’s when it all started going my way.
Luis Congdon [55:15]
My big.is having that girl at the age of 24 breakup with me and leave me completely heartbroken. and wondering what it would take to have a lasting relationship to know how to make love stick around in my life. Once that happened, I got clear, and I chose a life path and it hasn’t left me since then.
David Ralph [55:42]
And so do you think that we only need the dark dots I later ones have a true winners in their life and we shouldn’t be afraid of when they come into our lives.
Luis Congdon [55:53]
Most people reflect on dark moments and are because dark moments are so incredibly impactful and memorable. They make a very strong imprint on our mind and in our memory. And they probably stick out more than those happy moments. But I don’t think that it takes those hard moments to join the dots. I don’t really think so I just think that most people recall those moments more powerfully, because out of those dark moments, we have transformation.
David Ralph [56:27]
Well, this is the part of the show where we’re going to send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young Louise, what age would you choose and what advice would you give? Well, we’re gonna find out because I’m going to play the theme tune now and when it fades, you’re up. This is the Sermon on the mic
Unknown Speaker [56:55]
Luis Congdon [57:08]
Hmm, I’m checking in with a 12 year old kid who
was having a really hard time when my parents got divorced. And my mom moved out and I was just with my dad. And that was just an incredibly hard time. You know, that kid needed to know that life was okay. And this is 31 year old police coming back into his life and saying, hey, things are completely okay. Enjoy your morning cartoons. I know you want to be tough and act like you don’t enjoy them, but I know that you do. Don’t be embarrassed about that. Go ahead and read comic books and you still like those things, too. I know you’re trying to be cool, and I think you’re awesome. Doesn’t matter if you like reading Spider Man. Also want you to know that your mom and your dad love you. And want you to know that. I know you’re confused about girls right now. And that’s completely okay. Don’t feel forced, like you have to do anything. There are going to be plenty of beautiful women for you to meet, and to get to know and understand. And you will have all the skills necessary to have success in any area of your life that you’re thinking about right now. And I know for you right now, it’s about having the right friends. And trust me, you’re going to have some of the most amazing, beautiful friends that anyone could have. I’m your friend. I’m really really excited and happy being a life. I want you to look into the future. And I want you to see that everything is working out just fine. Tell your dad that you love Him because He cares about you. There’s nobody else that loves You’re more than that. And your mom Of course, she she adores you, she’s going through a hard time. But it’s not personal to you, you know, she’s just going through her own thing. And I know you’re young and you might not understand this, but adults don’t always have their, their life together as much as I know that you think they might. And that doesn’t change, that they love you and that they adore you. They’re just gone through your own their own stuff. So, you know, let me ask you, Luis, like, what’s going on for you? What do you want to talk about? What’s important to you? I want you to write those things down. because later on, you’re going to find that there’s so much power and writing down your dreams, your hopes and your fears. And just want you start feeling like it’s okay for you to feel and think any of these thoughts. Start talking to your dad about him because he’s kind of number one person that will listen, take interest, and he’s here to support you. Also, you know, I know pretty soon you’re going to be at a dance and know some really cute girls are going to come up and try to ask you to dance with him. And you’re going to say now because you think they’re not cool enough. I want you to say yes to dancing with them because dancing might not feel as fun as it will be your upcoming dance as as it as it is for you. I know that you have so much fun dancing and I want you to say yes to everyone and anyone who wants to dance with you. Because it might be a while before you appreciate dance again, like you, you’re about to also want you to know that you’re not poor. I know that’s something that weighs heavily on your mind. You come from a background of poverty, but I want you to know that you’re going to have everything And anything that you need, and that your dad and your mom, your aunt and uncle are here to support you and give you that. So, don’t live from that place. You can live from a place where you have everything that you need. And the people in your life are committed to providing and giving you more and more of the everything that you truly need. Foster friendships that make you feel great. There’s some really awesome people in your life right now. Spend more time with them.
David Ralph [1:01:36]
Lewis How can our audience connect with you sir? Um,
Luis Congdon [1:01:40]
well, if you want to connect with me, you can find me on Facebook, just type in Luis Congdon. If you want to catch me on twitter at wholesome union or at lasting love connection.com the website.
David Ralph [1:01:55]
We have over links on the show notes. Louisa, thank you so much for spending time with us today. Join me those dots and please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past it’s the best way to build our futures. Louise condom. Thank you so much.
Luis Congdon [1:02:12]
David Ralph [1:02:15]
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