Shawn Shewchuk Joins Us On The Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast
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Introducing Shawn Shewchuk
Shawn Shewchuck is today’s guest joining us on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots podcast.
He is a man who from his hometown of Calgary Canada, is on a mission similar to most of our guests.
In fact it should be the mission that everyone of us who listen into Join Up Dots should be on everyday.
He is committed to studying, understanding and helping others achieve more, in less time.
If you want to better your life, your career or business, and of course your results, then there is no better way than to focus in on the needs of others.
How The Dots Joined Up For Shawn
As the late Zig Ziglar once said, “You can have everything in life you want, if you will just help enough other people get what they want” which seems to be a great principle to live by, and is certainly working for todays guest.
And so for nearly two decades, he has travelled and advised people from across the continent and around the globe, from Fortune 500 leadership teams, to high achievers from all walks of life.
So how did he know that he could see a problem that had been anchoring people to the future they were not keen on, and blow it to pieces?
And does he find that he still has many of the issues that his clients have, but has managed to work to reduce them, or does he still carry around self limiting baggage?
Well let’s bring onto the show to start joining up dots, as we discuss the words of Steve Jobs with the one and only Shawn Shewchuk
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Shawn such as:
How he doesn’t believe in the mantra “Fake it until you make it”, instead he wants us to all to “Feel like you belong”
How 99% of people listening to this show, should look around at there close circle of friends to see who they can partner with.
How he remembers seeing an advert in a back of a magazine, and asked his parents for a loan to buy the offering, and has never looked back.
How he despised High School, and would look out of the window wishing that he was somewhere elsewhere almost everyday of his time there.
How a study has reported that youngsters will now have between seven and nine distinctly different careers by the time that they retire.
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Full Transcription Of Shawn Shewchuk Interview
David Ralph [0:00]
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when we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK. David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:38]
Yes, hello, everybody. It is David Ralph. This is Join Up Dots. And this is Episode 386. Can you believe it? 496 already is gonna be a good show. I always say it’s gonna be a good show, but it’s gonna be a good show. I can guarantee this because today’s guest is a man who from his hometown of Calgary, Canada. He’s on a mission similar to a suppose most of our guests. In fact, he should be the mission that every one of us who listened into Join Up Dots should be on every day. He is committed to studying, understanding and helping others achieve more in less time, if you want to better your life, your career or business and of course your results. And there’s no better way than to focus in on the needs of others. As the late Ziegler once said, you can have everything in life you want, if you will just help enough other people get what they want, which seems to be a great principle to live by. And it’s certainly working for today’s guest. And so for nearly two decades, he’s travelled and advise people from across the continent and around the globe, from fortune 500 leadership teams to high achievers from all walks of life. So how did he know that you could see a problem that had been anchoring people to the future they were not keen on and just blow it to pieces? And does he find that he still has many of the issues that his clients have, but has he managed to work to reduce them or does he still carry around those self limiting baggage? Well, let’s bring on to the show today. Join Up Dots with the one and only Mr. Shawn Shewchuk
, how are you, Shawn?
Shawn Shewchuk [2:06]
I’m awesome. Thank you so much.
David Ralph [2:07]
It is great to have you. So are you actually in Calgary at the moment? Is that where we’re speaking to you?
Shawn Shewchuk [2:13]
I am indeed.
David Ralph [2:14]
And what is it about Calgary that you love? Why? Why is it your hometown? hometown of birth?
Shawn Shewchuk [2:21]
Definitely not. I don’t think you’re very many people in Calgary that are originally are born and raised. They’re born here anyway, I guess. I moved here after high school. And it was, you know, I come from a rural background. So coming to you know, the big city, so to speak was always interesting. And it’s a very vibrant, if not, probably one of the most vibrant business communities in North America. And the
David Ralph [2:44]
only thing I know about it is that the Calgary Stampede now is not good for business or is that just a sort of inconvenience?
Shawn Shewchuk [2:53]
It can be good for business. If you know how to leverage, gentlemen, it’s one of the only times I think that you actually get the opportunity to, I guess stand next to the leadership of some of the major corporations in North America. Because it’s it really is the city is really a 10 Day party.
David Ralph [3:11]
And and do you get involved in that? Is that something that you love? Or is it something that you allow to go on without you?
Shawn Shewchuk [3:18]
I definitely say I allow it to go on without me. I mean, I do get involved, I think in key things that help us grow our organisation, but I’m, I’m anything but a party animal.
David Ralph [3:29]
So sometimes for me, for the listeners out there, obviously, I’ve touched on it on the introduction, but you mean a bar, somebody comes up to you and says, What do you do for a living? How do you actually explain what you do?
Shawn Shewchuk [3:42]
That’s an awesome question. And I think it’s one that most people don’t quite understand. And it’s something I happen to teach from time to time. As a matter of fact, in two weeks, we’re doing an event here in Calgary actually got people flying from all over United States. actually think there might be one or two coming in from the UK called the business results boot camp. And one of the things I talked about Is branding and a component of that is definitely what you’ve asked. So if you and I were to meet somewhere, and you asked me what I did, my answer would be I am the number one results coach in the country.
David Ralph [4:12]
And how do you know that? I’m going to ask that question first of all, how do you know that there’s not somebody else getting better results in you?
Shawn Shewchuk [4:19]
Well, here’s it here’s how I look at it. Coaching is a holistic process. I’ve had the privilege to work with almost 7000 people one on one over the last number of years, about 450 plus companies and every single one of those individuals and organisations that I’ve had the pleasure the privilege and pleasure to work with have experienced results with the exception of very few there are there is the odd person out there who thinks that if they bring Sean on that you know he’s gonna snap his fingers and magic and pixie dust is gonna is gonna you know, things are going to happen magically and that’s not really always the case. Obviously the case. My my brand that I’ve created around being the number one golf coaches really this I’m not a business coach, I’m not a life coach, I’m not a marketing coach, I really am a results coach. At the end of the day coaching is this coaching is a process by which everything comes out on the table. And if you’re if you’re in business and your personal life is in shambles, it’s going to affect your business. If your business isn’t where it needs to be, it’s going to affect your personal life. So everything I think, is it comes out on the table. Coaching is a holistic process, and it’s based around, not my marketing. Not necessarily if I’m always positive or upbeat or my relationships, it’s everything. And I think that’s a big key. So I think, from my perspective, when I say that, it’s it’s a lot of people say I am this, but reality that is, our entire focus is based around results. And that’s how we came to that.
David Ralph [5:45]
So can you can you set up a branding and then work towards it? Or is that not how it’s done? Can you say, Yes, I’m the number one results coach and then people buy into it and ultimately you become that thing
Shawn Shewchuk [5:59]
without questioning You know, you’ve heard the line figure to make it I don’t really buy that. I always tell people don’t think to make act like you belong. And
David Ralph [6:09]
what was the difference between values and that isn’t the same thing?
Shawn Shewchuk [6:12]
Well, I don’t think so a lot of times faking it really puts up errors. I put myself and have I mean, don’t get me wrong. I’ve been very fortunate blessed over the last number of years, but when I’m working with with entrepreneurs, particularly one of the things we talked about, is put yourself in that place where you are you want to be so for example, if you want to be in a certain group or at a certain business atmosphere, put yourself there you know, as an example, if you want to get and this is just purely an example, if you want to get into politics, you really need to start running in those circles. You need to put yourself in front of the right people interact and build relationships with key people in that space. Maybe it’s becoming an entrepreneur in a in a specific vertical or industry. You need to be able to put yourself in that space and from time to time I get the privilege to work with folks who have chosen real estate as a financial vehicle and they want to they want to drive. And one of the things we talked about at length is, um, how are you going to how are you going to get there? It’s great to say I work in real estate or in the real estate investor. And there’s all kinds of courses and speakers other the teach certain aspects of this, but the challenge most people have is, is I never going to have enough money to buy all the real estate I want or need. So I have to use someone else’s money. Well, I don’t know anyone else with money, or I don’t know anyone’s money. So I think the key behind this is really being strategic in you know, who you associate with Jim Rohn said the late Jim Rohn said you know, you are the sum total of top five people you associate with the most so putting yourself into those into those groups or those circles, I think is key to getting where you want to go.
David Ralph [7:53]
I Well, I agree with you, but I think the statement feel like you belong I think a lot of people, certainly from the But I talked to through the show, that would be a step too far at the beginning that would be almost beyond fake until you make it. How did they do that? How would the listeners out there that are in the queue because they’re on the trains or on the bus is listening to this and they’ve got dreams, they’ve got aspirations, but you wouldn’t have the competence level at that starting point, to actually feel like you belong, how can they work towards that?
Shawn Shewchuk [8:27]
So some of some of the things we don’t do in our societal norms, westernised world is we don’t celebrate our successes enough. So as a couple, a couple of answers to your question. I think one is guaranteed that 99% of people that listening today could sit down, make a list of those people that are in their sphere of influence in their circles, and there is probably somebody who they could partner with. I have yet over all the folks I’ve had the privilege to work with, find somebody who doesn’t have somebody they could work with. So we’ll use will use that real estate example I raised a moment ago, if in fact, someone decided, hey, I want to become a real estate investor and but I don’t want to use my money. Chances are they know somebody, there’s someone in their family, there’s someone in their, in their, in their circle of friends that would potentially work with them. And I think it’s a big part, this is a big part of understanding that successes can help build that confidence. So if you put together a deal if you’re that individual, you put together that deal, and you’re successful at it, which if you’re doing it the right way will be. I think that’s a huge confidence builder. And the flip side of that coin is when I talked a lot about is there is there is a you know, pub Bob Proctor who is a friend of mine and who did the foreword for my first book, he has something that he says I think is really key, jump off the building and grow wings on the way down. But what I always add to that, and I think this is really important is aligning yourself with the right people in this case, somebody who can help you get there, walk hand in hand, side by side, help you avoid panic. Holes collapse timeframes, and that person is a coach. So somebody that can work with you help you with those tips, tricks and ideas, and it becomes more than a tip or a trick, it becomes something you implement. It’s only a tip or a trick when it’s has been implemented. It’s like, you know, a goal without action is just a dream.
David Ralph [10:18]
That makes sense. It makes total sense. Yeah, it does. Well, what I was thinking about as you was talking about, and I think it’s going to be a good point of the show, is to take you back to the time that you was before you were the first results coaches, the number one results coaching in America. Well, what what was your first job? Obviously, you didn’t go straight into this, this is something that you build up to. So when you went through the education system, what did you want to be?
Shawn Shewchuk [10:45]
You know, honestly, I didn’t know that. And and this is really interesting, and it’s a good question and not a lot of people asked me this question. I share a lot from the stage about when I was younger and where I started. But what’s really interesting about this, is it I originally anticipated that I would probably probably end up in some kind of profession, I come from a family that there wasn’t really anyone who had gone through university, and I really wanted to do something different. I didn’t want to be that, doing that manual labour that a lot of you know, I didn’t want to be a farmer and a, that’s not what I wanted to do. And I started there, you know, as very well, most will go way back at age 13. And of course, this will really date me, the internet wasn’t what it is today. Obviously, no one had internet. And I went in the back of a magazine, there was little classified ads that you know, I don’t remember the exact wording but help companies, you know, succeed or build or grow. And I asked my parents and of course, I know in the UK guys, it really is checks very much but I asked my parents at that point in time to write a check. And they did and I ordered this whatever it was in a booklet it came in the mail and it really was just a watered down version of management consulting. And I grew up rural. So you know, you can’t really go in and consult with the cattle but when I moved after high school I moved before I went back to to college. I moved to the big city moved to Calgary as we talked about at the top of the show. And I, I started knocking on doors. And I’m telling businesses that I could help them. And you know, I’ve got I got tossed out of a few businesses. But at the end of the day, I’ve always worked with individuals and organisations to help them improve. And I’ve started run sold, operated 43 companies now, don’t get me the wrong way. I’ve been very fortunate and blessed but there were certainly a couple failures in there. So I think, you know, going back to starting is for a lot of people is at 19 years old when I started knocking on doors here in Calgary. I certainly didn’t know then what I know today, but was able to even at that stage have an impact a positive impact on on the folks I was privileged to work with. And then
David Ralph [12:56]
well you always entrepreneurial shown as we say on the show I’ve always had hustle muscle flooding through you somebody that makes things happen for themselves.
Shawn Shewchuk [13:07]
And younger when I you know, even even at 19, although I went and knocked on doors, I didn’t want to, at that point in time really be an entrepreneur. As a matter of fact, I went after school and got a job with a firm, you know, in the downtown core Calgary and every every day went to work and within a very short period of time, they the partnership in that firm asked if I would if I want to partner to make partner and I declined. And within about six months I was going because it was something that shifted in me while I was there, I made a decision I didn’t want to be, you know, building a company for someone else. I wanted to do it. The reason and I guess here’s the key reason that I think most of us go into business for ourselves is freedom and defined freedom this way, the ability to do what you want, when you want with who you want. And you know, of course, in United States, it’s called the American dream, but at the same time, it really boils down to freedom. And if we really start to understand what that means, and it’s different for all of us, then getting really clear on what our objectives are will help us in some of those areas. So was I always entrepreneurial? No. Was I raised in a home where? Definitely, you know, there was an entrepreneurial spirit? Yes.
David Ralph [14:34]
Well, you your parents gave you a gift didn’t know because that that check that they wrote was really your key of taking control of your life. At a quite a young age. They said to you, here’s some money, you can make something from it and a lot of parents out there and I hear it time and time again. They almost without saying it dictate their kids lives. There’s a sort of unspoken basis what you should be doing. You should be Following in this path, this is what your uncle did, and all that kind of stuff. So it would have been quite easy for you to go into farming or whatever your parents was doing. But I wrote that check by gave it to you. And that was your key to your future, wasn’t it?
Shawn Shewchuk [15:13]
Well, you’re right. And And what’s even interesting is to take what you just said a step further. And I think this is really interesting. They didn’t, yes, they wrote the check for me, but my, my dad was very old school individual coming from a very strong European background, where you didn’t you know, you didn’t give kids money unless they earned it. And, I mean, they may have written the check because at 13 I didn’t have a checking account, but I certainly had to give him that. I think it was like $13 at the time, which you know, if we go back that many years $13 with a lot of money. And you know, so there’s there’s two gifts one, obviously they did the favour of helping me out in that Respect. But also I think, even maybe even a more valuable lesson is that I had to work for it to get there.
David Ralph [16:09]
So So what do you think they saw in you? You’re sitting the other side of the kitchen table, I imagine or wherever you are. Why do you think your dad unwilling normally to just sort of hand over the cash actually went? Yeah. This is this is a moment. This is, as we say, shown on the Join Up Dots timeline. This is adult in your life. This is one of those moments, what you saw in you.
Shawn Shewchuk [16:32]
Well, I can I can ask the question for them. Hopefully, what they saw was someone who had a little bit of ambition in life, although I’m not sure it was quite evident at that point in time. And you know, definitely when I was younger, I was and I think a lot of kids are because I grew up in a household where definitely, you know, my dad was a go getter. You know, we didn’t stop working for five or six o’clock we stopped working when, when the job was done, and I can recall very distinctly many times Throughout my, my childhood, you know, especially on weekends working with my dad till 10 1112 o’clock at night, because there was something there had to be done and we were doing it. So, hopefully there there was, you know, definitely some ambition and some work ethic that that form part of why he or they made a decision to help me out in that respect. Not just then, but you know, obviously in many more situations.
David Ralph [17:27]
So so moving forward step you’re, you’re in high school and you’re moving through and you’ve already had this entrepreneurial adventure. Did that make it harder to study? Were you already thinking I can’t wait to get out of the education system so I can just get into the real world or, or did you embrace the opportunity you had or learning stuff?
Shawn Shewchuk [17:50]
This will sound terrible, but you know, something I despise in high school.
With a passion, I didn’t want to be there and I grew up in a part of Canada and on On the west, the west side of Canada, where summertime they call the California Canada. So in September and October, it’s still beautiful. It’s still 90 to 100 degrees most days. I know I can very distinctly recall right through school, sitting there looking out the window wishing I wasn’t in the classroom. So was I good student in high school. I’m definitely not as good as I could have been. And I don’t think it was until after high school and I, you know, kind of went out and how, for lack of a better way to put it pounded the pavement for a little while, where I decided I was gonna go back to school, and I’m not even sure that was as beneficial as perhaps all of us. All of us have been conditioned to believe that just the personal opinion, I think education is a good thing. But I think a lot of times we put too much too much behind what it’s supposed to do for us. So that that leads into something right. I know from a from a children’s standpoint. I don’t think we can push all of our children through the same through the same, you know, the same education system and expect positive results. I think everyone has a different way of dealing with assimilating learning anyway.
David Ralph [19:16]
That hopefully answers your question. It’s a theme that runs through all the shows vo about whether the education system and I remember, you know, your Episode 486. We probably touched on this on episode one, and it comes up time and time again. And yes, it’s because we’re speaking to the movers and shakers, the entrepreneurs, the businessmen or whatever. But literally, they all say that the education system is somehow flawed is a conveyor belt for industry. And it doesn’t allow for children to make decisions, be inspired, be creative, and I remember the guy I just interviewed before you said that he has never met anyone whose degree has done any good, but he’s met a lot of people Whose drive and passion has done massive and so you feel the same kind of way
Shawn Shewchuk [20:06]
without question you know what I’m very blessed and fortunate I have I have a son and he should he decided that he doesn’t want to go and I think you know obviously we all need to know how to read write etc but getting past the you know the basics and you know and when I say basics i mean i don’t mean grade three I mean actually being able to function in our world. It should he decide he doesn’t want to go to university. I’ll support him and whatever he decides because I really honestly believe that I’ll share something I don’t block heads that are billionaires and I know you know, folks with two PhDs that can’t afford to pay attention nevermind their bills.
David Ralph [20:47]
He’s weird though, isn’t it? You know, because i i i like study, didn’t like study when I had to study but now I love it and when I have to sit down with my daughter to do her maps with her It is kind of, I don’t know, it’s a puzzle that needs to be solved. And part of you goes, God, I remember this. This was 25 years ago last time I did this. So I’ve kind of got the education bug now but I never had at the time, it almost comes at the wrong time, doesn’t it? When you’re young, you don’t want it but when you’re older, you can see the value.
Shawn Shewchuk [21:20]
Well, and maybe that’s got something to do with live a life experience, maturity or Road Rash. I’m not certain, but I’ll share this. What motivates me more than anything in the world from a study standpoint, and I read study, I probably spend and this is people cringe sometimes when I say this, but I say this rather proudly because I think it translates into a lot of positives, not only for myself, but the people I’m privileged to work with. I probably spend 100 $250,000 a year on improving who I am and I don’t necessarily mean that some buying nice houses or cars I’m talking about from an educational standpoint, from those people that that you know, I I can learn from because at the end of the day the motivation behind that is I’m able to share that information with the people I’m privileged to work with on an ongoing basis and be able to watch the transformation in their lives their businesses, and for me that’s that’s what gets me out of bed in the morning.
David Ralph [22:16]
So So would that be a good starting point as well for the listeners out there to become more aware become more knowledgeable on a subject if I’ve got a passion for something trying to become the expert in that field?
Shawn Shewchuk [22:31]
Well, it so this really leads Yes, but I think what I always tell people let’s take a step back first, I think what’s really important. Most people today have what we call squirrel syndrome or shiny object syndrome. And you know what, of course, there’s all kinds of different terminology that’s utilised a DD and ADHD and all kinds of different diagnoses and I’m not for a moment, I’m going to indicate that I’m qualified to give anyone that kind of a diagnosis. I will however say this. I think you have Really crystal clear on what your objective in life is. There are a lot of people that say I want to be wealthy Well, you know, understand you go to any any major city in the world today, there are probably people were $20, or in the UK a couple of pounds might represent some level of wealth for them. For most of us, that’s not going to really represent wealth. So I think we have to get really clear on what it is we want, once we’re really clear on what we want, and then it becomes the Focus. Focus is exactly what I think you’re talking about. Once we were really clear, and we have focused it then comes down to execution. A good friend of mine, who’s been very successful in life business. Don Campbell here in Canada, he runs the largest real estate network in the country, thousands of members that he has helped become multimillionaires over the last 18 or 20 years. One thing he tells his membership and I’ve been very privileged to be able to know Him and work with him and speak from his stage is is this He says the smaller your niche, the larger market. And I realised lots of people have said similar things. But I think it’s really important for us to really understand who is our target? What do we want to do if we’re an entrepreneur, and how big is that problem we can solve for those people. I have people company all the time. And when I’m speaking, when I’m teaching, etc, throughout North America, and the question that say to me is, I want to go into business for myself. But I don’t know how to monetize what I do. And so when I query them as to what they do, there are some times where I’ll get some really unique answers I’ll never forget before I went on stage at an event down in US couple years ago, I lady come up and tell me that she wanted to start a business knitting slippers, and she thought she would be able to make a significant amount of money. And when I say that, I’m talking about you know, half a million dollars a year. Now unless you’re going to go into some kind of a production plant where you’re manufacturing a significant amount of slippers. Yeah, probably not going to make that kind of money. So What people you know, when you’re when you’re choosing what you want to do, how you want to be of service, how you want to add what kind of value you want to add, to those people you’re privileged interact with in your life and in your business. Make sure it’s something that people want need, require and will pay for. And that obviously is going to benefit everyone involved. And I think that’s, that’s a big key behind behind this.
David Ralph [25:23]
But let’s play some words. Now that moves us seamlessly on to the second stage of our conversation on today’s episode. And this is Jim Carrey,
Jim Carrey [25:31]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [25:58]
So how many jobs Did you Do that you didn’t like before you found the one that you did
Shawn Shewchuk [26:05]
you know something, I have very eclectic background. As I’ve said, you know, I’ve done a lot of things and I still have a lot of different initiatives on the go. There is a study and I can’t reference where it came from right now, but I was reading it probably about six or eight months ago where the young people coming out of our our school system education system today will will actually have between seven and nine different distinguishable careers, before they hit the age of retirement, whatever that happens to be.
David Ralph [26:36]
That’s astonishing. No,
Shawn Shewchuk [26:38]
it is because if you go back to I don’t know how old you are, but you know, my generation and prior
David Ralph [26:44]
What’s that? 44 years old? I’m no sorry. I’m 4545 now.
Shawn Shewchuk [26:49]
So you and I are very close in age. If you go by our generation and prior it was always expected that we would finish school we would find a what was known as a safe career. Yeah. And we would stick it out till 6065 70 whatever that looked like, and then we would, you know, fade off into retirement. I remember very distinctly my grandmother telling me you know, she was very, very had a very strong British belief system and she going back couple generations and she told me you know, your, your, your grandfather was with with the mail service and your your great grandfather, your father was a police officer, I think you should be a police officer. It’s a nice safe job. And you know, I’m very grateful I didn’t listen to my grandmother at that point in time with all respect to her. But it’s it’s interesting how that has started to shift and change. I mean, I’ve done a lot of different things throughout my life that weren’t necessarily things I wanted to do. And let’s be very clear about something. No matter who you are, what you do, where you come from, what your background is, what your educational background religious background doesn’t matter. If you are going to go into business for yourself or if you already are in business for yourself. There’s a reason you’re there, make sure you stay focused on what that reason is yes, there are going to be some things on a daily basis, you may or may not want to do. But running a business requires sometimes us to step into shoes that we not, don’t necessarily want to wear. And one of the reasons you see people and you referenced Steve Jobs, I think at one point in time, and here’s the interesting part of that. Steve Jobs wasn’t good at everything. But he surrounded himself with people that were good in those spaces he didn’t want to be.
David Ralph [28:32]
Well, that’s the key to everything that takes you back to this or the Jim Rohn kind of ethos, isn’t it? That you you build your team?
Shawn Shewchuk [28:42]
David Ralph [28:44]
So when you when you were saying about, we leave education, we go into a job and we’re there until we retire. It actually makes my stomach go funny. Now when I hear that, because I’m a member as a 16 year old boy Working for that same company that I actually work for 13 years, I think it would fill me with dread. And I knew that at such a young age, but I still went through those motions. When did it become really real to you, but you couldn’t do a job where you were going to be bad to you tied?
Shawn Shewchuk [29:22]
You know, it’s interesting you asked that question. I really honestly think it always was there for me. I think it was always something that I knew in the back of my mind that I wasn’t going to be somewhere forever. And I mean, I can very remember very distinctly remember. As a young guy, I went back to university and I had almost a full class load. I had a full time job with a telecommunications company here in Canada, and I had on the weekends I ran a nightclub I sleep Sleep was certainly optional, and not an option that I got to take very often. But what was really interesting is I remember Do you know the Go to work every morning and thinking to myself, What am I doing? This is not what I want to do. And I was good at what I did. I ran a sales team had some great people to work with me. But it wasn’t something that I was necessarily passionate about. It was a great learning ground. I mean, I had it. This is a really interesting point. One of my former bosses from 20 plus years ago, looked me up on LinkedIn, in the last six or seven months, phoned my office and asked to book a meeting with me to have a coffee. And when he came in, one of my team members sat him in the boardroom. And when I came in, and he stood up and shook my hand and said, I want to congratulate you. You know, it’s really interesting to see somebody who’s sitting on the other side of the table, who at one point in time was your boss, who now is looking up to you saying, Hey, I might need a job. Do you think you can hire me? It’s really, it’s really, uh, you know, you start to look at how things shift when you shift how you think and your perspective.
David Ralph [31:00]
And how did you how did you feel when he walked in? Obviously he’s a lot older than he was and you’re a lot older but did the power slip back in his direction? Did you feel like the employee again?
Unknown Speaker [31:13]
David Ralph [31:16]
So you totally Are you totally new your position where you are now?
Shawn Shewchuk [31:22]
You know something I’m a big and I said this earlier you know, when you own what you do when you live in the space and believe in yourself, let me be very clear, I’m a human being I’m not God, I don’t I don’t have that ability to know everything. You know, am I going to encounter challenges in my life at some point perhaps I have already. We all do. And I think I look at those those stumbling blocks as stepping stones. How is this going to improve instead of focusing on the problem we all know there’s a problem or concern. And too many people when you look at what goes on around the world today, and how our society or societal norms are where we’re focused on the problem. You look at 2008 what happened around the world from economic standpoint, even right now you look at what’s happening in some places where the price of oil is cut down to 50 or $60 us a barrel. And and because I’m in Calgary, which of course is, you know, an energy hub for for not only in North America, but for the world really, you know, I see that a lot more than others do who aren’t necessarily, you know, connected that way. And we hear gloom and doom. Um, you know, let’s be really, really clear about something a vast majority of us, although we may have felt the effects of some of these things have bought into the norms, where we are focused on the problem and how terrible is and what the repercussions of the ripple effect of the problem are going to be. One of the things I speak at length about and work and teach it, you know, with all the people I’m privileged to work with is and in some cases, I’ll tell people don’t turn on the TV. Don’t go online and read the news. Just for 30 days because at the end of the day we’re focused on a problem and we’re not focused on solutions. So I live my life I run our organisations in a way where do we encounter challenges without question and you know there are people with the misconception and I’ll run it into them when I’m speaking remix seminars or you know the they’ll send me Facebook messages and say, you know, Shawn, it seems like everything you do just turns to gold and you know, I smile because at the end of the day, there are always that’s how you deal with them I look for the opportunities you know, we’re we’ve over the last six or eight months in you know, you I’m sure know this so your touch with what goes on around the planet, you know, well who dropped from $110 us a barrel or hundred dollars US a barrel down to 50 or 60. And there are a lot of people that are that are having affected by that. Um, but I look at it from this perspective, what are the opportunities are there offered communities out there because of this? And the answer is yes. And I think that applies to all aspects, all aspects of life. Whether you’re encountering encountering relationship problems, whether your accounting problems in your career, your business, there are always opportunities. The problem, and I use that word intentionally with us, as for the most part is we’re focused on the problem, instead of what those solutions might be. And it goes back to being in business, the bigger the problems you can solve for your potential clients or customers, the more you’re worth.
David Ralph [34:32]
Now, I totally agree with what you’re saying. And I totally agree that once you get to a certain position, you’ve seen many of the challenges before in different forms so you can move through. But of course, when you receive that first challenge when you create your first business, it does seem like the end of the world. You haven’t experienced it before. So it does feel like everything stacked up against you. How did you overcome that in the early days before you had manoeuvre your way around? You’ve moved on to bigger and better things.
Shawn Shewchuk [35:03]
In my first book, change your mind change your results. I actually the first couple chapters, I tell a story, as it as a young as a young, young guy, you know, very entrepreneurial. I did have a job. I had acquired 20 or 22 doors real estate as an investor. I was married I thought I had, you know, I say this in the book I thought I had liked by the tail. And it was, you know, certainly, it was certainly good for a while. And within about three months, I lost everything, and ended up you know, claiming bankruptcy. And I remember driving through Calgary, very specific spot and thinking to myself, where am I going? I don’t even have a home to go to. I’m driving a car that the finance company owns like, What? What am I doing? You know, what’s interesting is I don’t know maybe, uh, maybe I’m different than some But a lot of people that point climb would have given up. And they would have just let it go, I guess I’m I’ve never been that type of person where I can just you know, I could never sleep in a refrigerator box. And that’s not meant to, to as a disparaging remark, but anyone that may have found themselves in that position, I just, I’m always that guy that will make it happen. You know, they’re all but there have been scenarios in my life where I had to do something, and I made it happen. I’ve always said to people, and most of the time those problems are based around money. And I think you’ll probably agree with me. One of the things I always tell people when I’m privileged to work or speak with him is this. If you have a problem that money can solve, you don’t really have a problem. And what I very simply mean by that is there there is money out there. If we can change how we view things, you can acquire more money. You know, Dr. Wayne Dyer says when you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change. So you know was that was that Was that kicking the backside many years ago? a wake up call? Yeah. But I think again, it’s, we have to look at those Wake Up Calls and go, Okay, what did I learn? And yeah, you know, was I down and out for a year or so, of course I was. I remember this and I talked about this in the book to very well to do individual who had been built two or three multimillion dollar, business empires. Um, I was doing some contract work for him and he flew almost across the entire country to see me and we were sitting down for lunch, and he said to me, Sean, he says, What’s wrong with you? There’s nothing wrong with me. Why do you ask? And he said, Listen, if you live in the past, your past will become your future. And at that point in time, what Yeah, what do you know about me and you know, we left the restaurant, and about a year later, maybe eight months that statement he had made me came back to haunt me a little bit, kind of like you know, getting getting a getting a two by four baseball bat across the face because He was right. And I was living in that space of, you know, self pity and having a pity party for myself. And so I mean, sure, did it affect me? Yes. Did I stay there for long? Not really. You know, I think the key and a lot of this is is going okay, I’m facing something it’s called failure. Don’t run from it, embrace it, learn from it. And I it’s it’s tuition.
David Ralph [38:26]
That’s play some words about really talk about that journey that you were on at that point, having the challenges but overcoming them. This is Oprah Winfrey,
Unknown Speaker [38:35]
the way through the challenge is to get still and ask yourself, what is the next right move? not think about, Oh, I got all of this stuff. What is the next right move? And then from that space, make the next right move, and the next right move and not to be overwhelmed by it because you know, your life is bigger than that one moment. You know, you’re not defined By what somebody says, is a failure for you, because failure is just there to point you in a different direction.
David Ralph [39:07]
believe those words show
Shawn Shewchuk [39:11]
you know, what that says to me is this and I mean, she’s brilliant. Oprah and I and I’ve had the privilege to to meet and have a conversation with her her significant other your two ago when I was down in Chicago, but Stedman Graham, for those that may know what’s really interesting about what she’s saying, in my opinion is this. A lot of times I think we have an emotional reaction to things going on around us and we become outward directed. So I think what’s really important for anyone who’s listening who may be encountering challenges or may in the future, is an emotional response is an unintelligent response. Emotions are not intelligent. We’ve heard the term emotional intelligence. What I’m getting at is this when we when we react reaction is always based on emotion. And reaction is without thinking without one of the consequences of what what I’m about to say or do. And I think that’s what Oprah is referring to. I always talk with folks a great deal. You know, there are always going to be situations we don’t have control over. A reaction is never an answer. However, a response is, so when she says, Get still, I know I talked about the three second rule, take those three seconds, and make a decision, what you’re going to say do or how you’re going to act, based on what the what when you say something, there’s always going to be an effect. Right? For every action, there’s an equal opposite reaction. So when you say something, what is it that it’s going to happen? And I think when we get really clear on that, instead of reacting, we respond. I think that’s huge in all aspects of life.
David Ralph [40:53]
I remember seeing and although the show’s based around Steve Jobs, I remember him saying something along the lines. I might be paraphrasing Deciding what not to do is as important as deciding what to do. Giving yourself that space to actually have those decisions and move on is key, isn’t it?
Shawn Shewchuk [41:13]
You know, something I think most of us go through life and we become and I mentioned this a moment ago, we become outer directed, we need to really get focused on on ourselves sometimes. And some people say, well, that may sound a little bit selfish or narcissistic and I don’t believe it is. When we’re faced with something, we need to be able to, to be in touch with ourselves, make an informed decision, as we as we step out, or step forward, and I think that’s key understanding both and I think what what he was referring to Steve Jobs is both sides of the coin understanding you know, if I take this road, what’s going to happen one of the ramifications what are the you know, and then if I take the other road, what can I expect to see and i i agree with him, I think that’s key. Most people don’t make decisions like that most people just blindly accept, you know, I say this a lot. If you left your if you left got in your car and you left the parking God or parking garage today. And if you looked at the hood or the bottom of your car, you would be an accident within a very short period of time a block or two. And yet most of us go through our lives looking at the tip of our nose, and don’t really realise what’s going on outside of that little circle around us. And not really realising what the impact of our decisions has on us, not just today and not just tomorrow, but next week, month, year, 10 years, 20 years down the road. But that’s the beauty of
David Ralph [42:41]
this show that it shows that it’s a journey. It shows that when you take that first step, you haven’t got the answers. You just know what you want to achieve. And more often than not, when you get close to what you want to achieve. You realise actually, it wasn’t quite what you expected. Something else has come along the line and that shows you Your true passions. And it seems like that’s the case with yourself. You’re obviously doing something now, but I can only assume that you love. And it’s the thing that you’re going to be doing for a long while. But you started on your journey in a different direction, didn’t you you started on a path that you couldn’t have imagined was going to lead to where you are now today. But that path becomes visible as you move on.
Shawn Shewchuk [43:25]
100% I think all of us start so I don’t think there’s very many people on the planet today that step out, you know, as a young person and know where they’re going to land. And I think that’s the key you know, there’s, you know, Mary Morrissey says you can climb Mount Everest but you got to take the first step and jack Canfield says you’ll drive across the entire country at night with your headlights on, trusting that the next 200 feet of road is going to be there, but you won’t take that first step in your own life. So I think that’s a big part of it.
David Ralph [44:01]
When you hear those kinds of things, you know, I was talking to jack on the show, I don’t know about hundred episodes ago. And it seems so simple. These people have achieved such huge levels of wealth and success and fulfilment. But at their core, they seem to be very simple. We seem to not have to have the flash houses and the cars and everything. They seem to know the nuts and bolts of what it takes to be fulfilled. Do you do find that?
Shawn Shewchuk [44:31]
Yeah, I think they’re the key here to all of this. And I think you referenced it earlier when you know with the zig ziglar quote no one needs to have the fancy car, the fancy house, a fancy jewellery. And I really there are some people that think it gives them something. I’m not sure it really does. If you are helping people as Ziegler said, you know, get what they want. And you are a Service, you’re adding value to everybody that you come into contact with. And I think that’s a big point. You’re adding value to every single person. You know, the the the financial end of it takes care of itself. When we’re focused on money and you know, we’ve heard and there’s there’s there’s some challenge in my mind around this. For those of us who were perhaps raised in within a religious home, or, you know, very biblically oriented, there’s nothing wrong with that it’s a good thing. But it’s been said that money is the root of all evil. And I don’t believe money’s the root of all evil. What I do, however believe is when money becomes an obsession. It’s the root of all evil. Money is a tool if you happen to be in construction and you show up on a job site without the proper tools to do your job. You are not going to be doing your job, you’re not you can’t do anything. So money is a tool and I think that’s a key once we start to understand that, you know, it changes how we look at it, it changes How we conduct ourselves that changes how we interact with others in our lives and our businesses. And I think that’s a key.
David Ralph [46:07]
Did you do love money? Does money fulfil you?
Shawn Shewchuk [46:11]
No, I don’t love money. I do, however very much like what money can do for me and my family. Isn’t that the same thing? No, I don’t believe it is. Well, why not? money? Money. Money is an idea backed by confidence. Money is just a piece of paper. I’m not in love with with a piece of paper, or cat. And you know, in our case in Canada, it’s a piece of plastic now, but I’m not. But I’m very much proud of the fact I love the fact that I’m able to provide for my family, I’m able to do some of the things that you know, I’d like to do in my life, like maybe take a trip or spend time outside of the work environment with my son, that kind of thing. I don’t think it’s about love of money. I don’t even for a moment think they’re the same thing.
David Ralph [46:54]
It’s funny because when I when I listened to you, I think to myself You can’t have one without the other. If you want to go on those trips with your son, you’ve got to have the money Avenue, you’ve got to be driven to bring that into your life to be able to get the things that you want.
Unknown Speaker [47:10]
Shawn Shewchuk [47:12]
Correct. But when I when I when you say love you love money. I’ve come across a number of people throughout the course of my life, whose entire focus on life is money. They love money so much. They’ve excluded anything and anyone else, including their own families. I mean, I’ve had executives who’ve sat in my office who have flown in to see me who sat here in tears because they don’t know their own children because they were so in love with money that they never spent any time with their children their children now grown or their their problem children because of the fact that they didn’t have what they needed as they were growing up. So I I’ll come back as I can money know, what money can do for us. I think that’s the key. Money allows me to provide for my family allows me the opportunity to be able to work and interact with some phenomenal people throughout the world. And beyond that, it allows me to help those that need it. But certainly not in love with money. If money wasn’t let’s be clear, if if money or currencies we know it, whether it’s the dollar or the pound or the Euro, or whatever it is, if that didn’t exist, and I could acquire what I needed to in life through different means, I would
David Ralph [48:29]
is interesting, isn’t it when when you when you hear these statements, because I have been surrounded by people through my career, that literally you can see that a divorce was going to be on the cards before they could, you could see that their kids would speak to the person next to them who would say hello when they came to the office but rarely spoke to their own dad that the people who’s actually in the midst of it in the centre of the hurricane. Can’t see it all coming.
Shawn Shewchuk [48:58]
I think you’re right And sometimes, you know, I’ve worked with people and I’ve asked them to suggested maybe it’s a better way to say that, that they take a step back for a moment. You know, we talk about people smile when I say this having an outer body experience and I get funny looks when I say that, especially in a corporate boardroom, or with an executive team. And I very simply mean nothing crazy. But being able to if you had a 30,000 foot view, you wouldn’t ever get lost, you could see where that road is. So sometimes I suggest to people take a step back from where you are on a daily basis, you know, we’re so head down the other end in the air that we don’t see what what might be around us. And so having that that experience where you can take a you know, a high level, look at where you’re going, what you’re doing, you might be doing 600 miles an hour, right into a barrier.
David Ralph [49:50]
But you that’s part of journey, isn’t it? And that’s part of what makes life interesting. The fact that you haven’t got the answers, which is it ties up to the theme of the show again, and it’s gonna be The theme that I’m going to play now, but Steve Jobs so eloquently said over 10 years ago, but it’s trust, it’s karma is whatever keeps you moving forward, but you can only see where you’ve come from. By looking back and connecting the dots. This is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [50:14]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [50:49]
So what’s your big dot been shown on that timeline that he’s talking about? When you look back over your life? What was the big dog we’ve already talked about the check that your mom and dad wrote for you? It seems to be a killer. One, where did it all start coming in the direction that you wanted?
Shawn Shewchuk [51:06]
Well, you know what, here’s an interesting point. I don’t know that there’s a dot somewhere that I can put my finger on, I’ll say this. I think when I was able to when I was able to get in touch with who I was, and I think so often, and I talked about this a moment ago, we’re living someone else’s life. We’re living based on, you know, something that’s external to us. And when I was able to get in touch with who I was when I was able to say, Hey, listen, I’m not necessarily the individual I am thing. That’s not who I want to be. I’m here because I have allowed outside influences. And I think it was there was over a course of time, there was probably a three or four years for your timeline, where I it took me that long, maybe I’m slow on the uptake, where it took me that long to come to that realisation of what I really wanted or should have been doing.
David Ralph [52:00]
And what do you really want to do if we took you all the way back to the beginning of the conversation, when you’re in that bar and I say, what do you do for a living? instead? I’m going to say, what do you want to do every day?
Shawn Shewchuk [52:15]
What I’m doing now, I’m sure very privileged. It’s what gets me out of the bed in the morning. I think I said that earlier on the show. Being able to work with individuals and organisations and watching that positive transformation watching people get those aha moments where they’re like, oh, my goodness, like, I can do this. For me, even sometimes it’s standing out and I recall this about three or four weeks ago, I was standing at the front of the room speaking and I was watching you know, I’m, this is who I am. If I can see the audience in front of me watching them, and it’s interesting to see people get it, you know, here’s people who are the entire group was 50 years old plus, and every single one of those people in the room was sitting there and you know about about five or 6% of the room. Go it and it’s interesting to watch those moments come into play. So for me, I’m doing what I enjoy doing. I enjoy speaking, helping, writing and and being able to positively impact and I’ll share this very briefly. Bob Proctor says this and it really hit me when he said it. This is going back many, many, many years now. He said, none of us are getting out of this alive. And I thought to myself, that’s fantastic. And it’s true. And then, you know, we’ve been told her I was told that, you know, when it’s our time to check out, your life flashes before your eyes, I want to make sure it’s a movie worth watching. And if I’m able to positively impact just one person and I think I’ve exceeded that, but one person would make it worthwhile. And, you know, being able to do what I do and work with great people and have conversations like you and I are having today. I think that ripple effect is what it’s all about. Being able to it’s not about leaving a legacy. It’s about leaving an impact.
David Ralph [54:01]
Well, let’s send you back in time now and Join Up Dots. This is the end of the show the part that we call the Sermon on the mic when we send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young show, what advice would you give and what age would you choose? Well, we’re going to find out because I’m going to play the theme tune. And when it fades you up, this is the Sermon on the mic.
Sermon On The Mic [54:28]
With the best of the show.
Shawn Shewchuk [54:44]
You know, I think it’s really interesting about to go back and I thought about this when you suggested it before. I think it’s really important for me on an ongoing basis to revisit that, especially as a teenager. I you know, throughout life I think we get focused, you know, day to day activity. Perhaps it’s you know, I use the term mired in the minutiae. If I was to go back today and look at as a teenager, perhaps being more engaged in what even my parents were willing and able to share and impart with me taking initiative rather than taking orders. I think so often we get caught up in what others think and what others say. And maybe really being driven. You know, I think as a child, we have dreams and ambitions and they get kept through different kinds of conditioning in our lives. But for me, going back to the teenage years, taking those initiatives when I set goals actually taking those action steps I’m not sure we ever to learn that I’m not sure I ever learned that and maybe even listening to those around us that for me, in particular, I guess, that have that have been through some of those experiences and an acting on some of those some of those great little nuggets, that perhaps we we let fall by the wayside, and I know I certainly did that. So for me it Definitely going back and engaging with some of that information and taking some some action steps
David Ralph [56:06]
Shawn Shewchuk how can our audience connect with you sir?
Shawn Shewchuk [56:10]
You can go to our website at change your results. com that’s obviously triple W dot change your results calm now, if I may, I received a lot of requests over the last couple of three years from folks in the UK asking if I’m ever going to come to the UK. So if you do want me to I want to come there this fall, go to business results bootcamp uk.com. That’s business results, Bootcamp, UK, calm and put your name and email in there. And then when we’re coming over one, he let me know that you want me to come and two will let you know when I’m coming over which we’re hoping to do that in probably October of this year. So that would be fantastic.
David Ralph [56:51]
We’ll have over links on the show notes. Sean, thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining those dots and please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe about joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures shown. Thank you so much.
Shawn Shewchuk [57:07]
David Ralph [57:10]
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