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Introducing Slavica Bogdanov
Todays guest joining us on the Join Up Dots free business podcast interview, Slavica Bogdanov.
She is a lady who seems to be able to turn her hand at most things and make it successful.
Born in Belgrade, and raised in Paris, she came from a European family of entrepreneurs who believed hard work was the way to success.
And certainly she has taken that mind-set but also added a vision to what she can achieve, even before the work starts.
From regional sales, to real estate, to public speaking, she is doing what she wants and in the way that she wants, but it wasn’t always the case.
For many years her life was only going one way, and that wasn’t the way she would have hoped.
As she says “By 2006, the lessons that I had learnt was that life was rough, that it was a struggle, and it made me believe that I should live like that. And on that year my dad passed away, I left my husband, and ended up feeling more and more depressed.
No money, no love, alone in the middle of nowhere having to pay for a house I hated. I was drinking and smoking and tired of living. One day, I seriously considered suicide. My life had been a success of painful circumstance. I had the feeling that all the shit possible was happening to me.
How The Dots Joined Up For Slavica
But I didn’t know about how to kill myself.
Also, I didn’t know about self development, and tools to improve your life. She was trapped
But then when she felt that her life couldn’t get any worse, she heard a knock at her door. Opening it her life changed forever.
So what occurred on that day she opened that door to two complete strangers?
And was she ready for the message they would present to her?
Well it seems to me that she was and now, after over 25 books written, some translated in 3 languages, 3 best sellers, a thriving international coaching business and developing attractitude-kids, she understands how much everything made sense.
So lets bring onto the show, to start joining up dots, with the one and only Slavica Bogdanov.
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Slavica Bogdanov such as:
How surifing is such a great metaphor for your life, as your paddle for ages without getting anywhere, but actually your are putting yourself in the position to ride the perfect wave.
How she shares how she found her inner power and exploded it for all to see.
Why she watched extremely successful people and realised that so many of them are idiots who just do one thing very well.
How she now sees that hitting was a rock bottom was what she truly needed in her life and was the starting point to changing her life.
How she had a huge problem delegating tasks to the world as she was control freak, but now realises it was taking her away from her true talents.
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Full Transcription Of Slavica Bogdanov
David Ralph [0:00]
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David Ralph [0:49]
Wow, I’ll tell you why it went off hot here in the United Kingdom yesterday. It’s alright today I feel quite comfortable, which is good because I’ve got a whole day of recording shows. But um, we hit the hottest I’m on record yesterday, and a sweat was pouring off us now. That is bad news for us in this country. But I’m sure Today’s guest is used to doing that because she’s once again, she’s Yabba side of the pond where we seem to go all the time. And she is a guest who’s joining us on Join Up Dots, and who’s the lady who seems to be able to turn her hand at most things and make it successful. Born in Belgrade and raised in Paris, she came from a European family of entrepreneurs who believed hard work was the way to success. And certainly, she’s taken that mindset but also added a vision to what she can achieve, even before the work starts, from regional sales to real estate to public speaking. She’s doing what she wants and in the way that she wants. But it wasn’t always the case. For many years, our life is only going one way and that wasn’t the way she would have hoped. As she says, by 2006. The lessons that I’ve learned was that life was rough, but it was a struggle. And it made me believe that I should live like that. And on that year, my dad passed away. My husband and ended up being more or more depressed, no money, no love, alone in the middle of nowhere having to pay for a house I hated. I was drinking and smoking and tired of living. One day I seriously considered suicide. My life had been a success of painful circumstance. I had the feeling that everything that was bad was happening to me. But I didn’t know what to do about it. I didn’t know about self development and the tools to improve my life and so I was trapped. But then, when she felt that her life couldn’t get any worse, she heard a knock at the door and opening it changed her life forever. So what actually occurred on that day she opened that door to two complete strangers and what she ready for the message they would present to her Well, it seems to me that she was and now after over 25 books written some translated in three languages, three bestsellers, a thriving international coaching business and developing attracted to kids, which were explained later. She understands how much everything makes sense. So let’s Spring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Slavica Bogdanov. How are you? Slavica?
Slavica Bogdanov [3:07]
I’m doing great. Thank you so much for having me on the show.
David Ralph [3:10]
It’s lovely to have you on. And you have been inspired by Join Up Dots. We were talking beforehand. And quite unusually, a lot of people come through to me and say, oh, I’ve been inspired to change my job. I’ve been inspired to look for happiness in my life. But you’ve been inspired to take up surfing, which is a bit of a bizarre one, but you aren’t gonna go for it.
Slavica Bogdanov [3:32]
Yes, I am. Definitely Yes, I was I was truly inspired. And I’m not even kidding. I started buying surfing clothes. I’m getting I’m getting to the point where I’m gonna get a board and do it.
David Ralph [3:45]
So I’ll use somebody that gets the preparation, right, because your whole thing is about mindset. And it seems to me but you set out the personal belief that you can do something before you go for it, which wasn’t always the case. So if we sort of look at the sun metaphor and Surfing is a great metaphor for entrepreneurial life. Do you go right? I’m gonna do this. So I’m gonna go and spend all the money on it first to kind of force me into action. Is that how you do it?
Slavica Bogdanov [4:13]
I’d say not, not necessarily. I’m gonna become a surfer before I’m gonna serve. So I’m gonna wear surfing clothes. I’m going to talk surfing language, I’m going to listen to surfing music. And then I’m not even sure that I’m going to take surfing lessons. But one day, definitely I’m going to go into water and just jump in and see how how things turned out and prepare to crash and doesn’t matter. I’ll still serve that way. I think that’s more like it.
David Ralph [4:45]
So you’ve got the best of the Beach Boys on all the time of year. Let’s go surfing now everybody swim and all that business.
Slavica Bogdanov [4:55]
But I’m also i’m also watching the waves. I’m also trying to befriend them. Before before I start going on,
David Ralph [5:03]
but one of the things that we talk about on Join Up Dots and it’s a real, as I say, a metaphor for the whole programme that we’ve created here is if you take the the action of surfing, more often than not, you are paddling, paddling, paddling just to try to get yourself into position to gain the most momentum from that wave that takes you to where you want to go. And it is it’s a great metaphor for sort of entrepreneurial action taking, isn’t it? Most of the time, you just kind of do stuff, and it doesn’t seem to be getting you anywhere. And then every now and again, you washboard just because of those hours of paddling.
Slavica Bogdanov [5:42]
Definitely, I totally agree. And it’s and it’s, I believe it’s the doing it over and over and over again, that makes you the master of your wave one day and end the letting go also, I believe you know, you need to, yes, it’s a struggle to get into the world. order to go on to the wave. But when you find your wave you know don’t just let go follow the wave follow your bliss follow your passion and just ride that wave and not question it you know a lot of people they’re going to paddle paddle paddle and finally they get the wave and they miss it because they’re questioning Oh, is that the right one? Should I follow this wave? It just just do it once you get the wave just write it you know and don’t don’t go second guess
David Ralph [6:30]
your lady that loves life on you is quite clear from your voice you you talk with a smile. Are you surprised at the difference to where you were nearly nine years ago?
Slavica Bogdanov [6:42]
Oh, it’s it’s complete day and night. It’s completely night. I was. I didn’t have this mindset at all back then. I had some of it but I didn’t realise the you know the potential or the power that I had within myself. I thought I was more thinking I was a victim. My circumstances were now I really know I’m the master of my destiny, captain of my ship. It’s quite a different mindset. Definitely.
David Ralph [7:10]
And so you actually feel powerful. Do you feel that you can tackle things but probably 10 years ago, you wouldn’t have believed possible?
Slavica Bogdanov [7:19]
Oh, 10 years ago, I wouldn’t have dared imagined them. Definitely. And the differences I smiled 10 years ago, I’m always been a person that smiles a lot. But now I mean it. It’s not just the smile. So that because it’s it’s nice to smile. Now. It’s because I really feel so blessed and grateful every time all the time.
David Ralph [7:43]
That’s a great way of being isn’t it? And when once you get to that point, and I think the real movers and shakers have gotten a real sort of a listers seem to be very grateful for her life. You might think that they would take it for granted but they don’t. And because they’ve got that status. to mine, more comes their way to allow them to be grateful for it is a key point of getting things going, isn’t it just being grateful for what you’ve got and sending out those sort of positive vibes to the world somehow?
Slavica Bogdanov [8:13]
I totally, I totally believe so. And I believe that even when you are at the lowest, you know, when you you’re at the bottom, the pits, I think that just the fact of even forcing yourself to realise, appreciate what you already have, and you know, may turn your life around faster than you think. Just the appreciation and the gratitude to realise that we have already a lot of things that are wonderful in our lives.
David Ralph [8:41]
So let’s bring what you do at the moment. Obviously, I brought it up in the introduction, but would you call yourself an author, would you call yourself a coach? If somebody if I walked into a bar, and I saw you and I offered to buy you a drink, don’t tell the wife and I said what do you do for a living? What would you say?
Slavica Bogdanov [9:00]
I used to say that I’m an author.
But it’s now it’s so much more. I usually, I, I’m tending to say now that I’m president of attracted to. And then I wait for people to ask me what it is. I
David Ralph [9:16]
imagine they do and what what do you follow up with?
Slavica Bogdanov [9:20]
I’d say, well, it will become the number one website in the world and the number and the brand for self development worldwide. This that’s what I said, and I look at their jaw drop, and their eyes become like, doubtful. And then I’m thinking doesn’t matter because they’ll see it eventually become reality.
David Ralph [9:41]
That’s brilliant, isn’t it? I love the way you do. I’m gonna give you a round of applause for that. Just a little round of applause, because that is the key thing, isn’t it? It’s your personal belief that drives it forward when nobody else believes. But then suddenly they do believe and then when they do believe you’d hate that wave, and a While you go, and you see that time and time again, it’s almost a case of delusional lunacy at the beginning because you have got this belief that you can do something and everybody else is saying, you’ll never do that. How’s that going to happen? How are you going to make money from it? How are you going to do this? how you’re going to do that? All these questions, but once it comes together, everybody buys into it only.
Slavica Bogdanov [10:21]
Yes, and I believe now more and more people believe me because they see like, you know, my track record and and I’m already be, you know, more and more successful with it. So people have a tendency to believe it more now. And, and I think also a part that is very important is I’m not so interested in people believing in what I do, then people following my my passion, my purpose, my why, if they get the why I’m doing things, that’s what pleases me most.
David Ralph [10:55]
And how do you express But why? because everyone has their own personal Why don’t So how, how do you make yours, something that they can actually respond to, and move forward with?
Slavica Bogdanov [11:09]
Well, my personal mission like the reason why I wake up every day and it’s really a mission statement is to inspire, motivate and empower as many people as they can throughout my life, to live their life in the best possible way. And to achieve their goals and reach, reach their goals and transform their dreams into reality that that is what I truly believe I’m here to do. And everything I do tends to revolve around that because I also paint I’m also an artist, I paint on canvases. And so everything I do, tends to want to inspire, motivate and empower people and I’m trying to find always ways to, to leverage so that my life can empower even more people during the time that I’m here on this earth. So if people We’ll get that that that’s my true purpose. And that’s drives everything I do. they realise that, you know, it might be worth following because it’s kind of cool to change people’s lives and empower them a little like your show, your show has that. That kind of same similar mission.
David Ralph [12:21]
I think there’s so many of us we’ve got similar mission, and it kind of annoys me slap a cover. My show is around and your platform is around and over self development books are around because the bottom line is, people actually have to find it themselves don’t like it’s in boom, you become powerful, and You’re no different from the person that you were 10 years ago, but you just create that inner power to to move forward with your life and you can read all the self development books that you want, you can listen to all the podcasts until the messages right, then you’re not going to go forward. So we view your message seem to come when you’ve got that knock on the door. And those two things complete strangers were on the other side of the better word. Tell us about that. And tell us about the journey up to bat and how it made such a big impact on you.
Slavica Bogdanov [13:10]
Yes, well I lived a very it was very it was I think it’s really when my life shifted or turned around. Before then I didn’t know anything about self development. Like I didn’t read any books. I was a book critic and yet you know, in my younger age and yet never read a book on self help, I never came across any of it. And I was in sales I was top of you know, top of my profession. I was in grade. Then I moved with my ex husband in a really literally Middle of Nowhere little town. But and it’s like, some part of me was successful, but inside of me I was kind of dying because I didn’t live my purpose. I didn’t even know if I ever could. I didn’t even dream. You know, the To dream that I could be an author or coach or whatever to to, to inspire others. So I lived in a negative mindset. I had been beaten up as a kid like mentally beaten up that you come to a point where you don’t have so much self confidence you don’t have, I had zero self esteem. All that I did was trying to make people love me at any cost. And that was actually pretty sad and pitiful, and then didn’t bring any good things into my life. And I was good. I was a very good student and a student but I was bullied in school. So I felt I felt really bad during my school years. And then life was just a successful you know, set of painful events. It was like I was hitting a wall and then hitting another wall and then just being beaten. up throughout and by life and it just you know it takes a toll on you and because I didn’t know any better any other and I lost faith in God I lost faith and everything you know it was like it cannot be a you know a god to allow me to suffer so much and and I was really thinking that the suffering came from outside circumstances beating up on me and that I was this poor you know victim that had so much self pity and and I really went on a dial down roll spiral and i think i think at that time I really hit rock bottom I think I really came to a point where you know, you don’t believe in God you don’t believe you’re in the middle of nowhere. There’s nobody to help you. Your your husband, you had to leave him because it’s It was just really about relationship that my dad had passed away and it was really difficult also because it’s at that time that I started realising I had so much to tell him and tell him that I love him. And and because I didn’t communicate with him much during my life so that’s when I started realising I wanted to communicate with him that he passed away. And it was like everything was like bad luck. It was like oh my god, you know, it’s not worth living this life. Cannot you stop
David Ralph [16:30]
for a second with the fact of bad luck when you look back on it now do you actually think that it wasn’t bad luck? It was your attitude and your environment that was making it you? You could have nicked it and changed it into good luck quite easily.
Slavica Bogdanov [16:45]
Definitely. Definitely. If I had had the tools I had this half today when I was younger, I would have I would be a superstar right now. I mean much more and my life would have gone a completely different direction in a positive way. I mean, definitely I was making the wrong choices. Because, yes, my mindset was about not being lucky. My mindset was about struggling. My mindset was also about not being worthy not being good enough. And when you have a mindset that you’re not good enough, you usually attract things. And I believe the mind does everything. So if you think that you deserve things are like that, you’re going to bring circumstances and you’re going to choose make the decision that actually prove you, right. Yeah. And that was proven right.
David Ralph [17:38]
I used to work with a lady, lovely lady, but she was one of life’s victims, and everything bad would happen to her and she would spend all her time telling the world how bad things were. And it was almost like she was inventing these these things to happen to her so that she had stories to share with the world to bring the focus in on her, and it all sort of tied in with her own self esteem. And then once she found a bloke of man, as we say over here, things turned around because she suddenly had somebody that believed in her. And then she’s found the inner belief. And then she got a better job and it all spiralled very, very quickly upwards. But it all started from her, almost inviting Bose beings into her life so that she had something to share. She actually wanted to confirm, and she won’t admit that and even to this day, she won’t admit it to me, but it’s quite obvious, I think, from my side events that she was doing it to herself.
Slavica Bogdanov [18:37]
Oh, definitely, I was doing it to myself as well and, and actually even two and a half years ago, I told all my friends I said, I’m gonna now declare, once and for all that I will never again accept drama into my life. And I declare that I decided from now on that my life is going to be just easy and I want everything to come in easy in my life? And it’s it’s a decision that, you know, seems kind of a little weird or a little funny, but it made a big difference. And now when things come into my life, I really ask, Is this drama? Is this easy? Or isn’t it easy? If it’s not easy? Can you please get out? Because I don’t want it anymore. I just want things to be nice, easy and drama free because I don’t need it. So yeah, it’s a decision and it’s a mind mindset, definitely.
David Ralph [19:31]
But I do think that is spot on. And I’ve been the world’s worst advocate have working too hard on something for too long. And I now can see it and my life has become so much easier. And it’s become so much easier because I’ve become better at it so I can do it quicker and my knowledge is better and all those kind of things. So you do actually have to push through a certain learning curve to get somewhere but I can look back on things now and I think it quite often It wasn’t working, I should have just walked away or tried a different way. And I talked about this a lot in the shows. And it sounds simple, but it’s true about water, we’ll always find the easiest route to the sea. But we will just go battering against a brick wall trying to get through to it where there’s a door just by the side, we could open it up and walk out. But we don’t do it. So I think it’s spot on what you’re saying. But it does go against that mindset that you obviously had instilled into you from your family, that life is hard, you have to go to work you have to everything is you’ve got to you’ve got to you got to, but you change it around and you realise that if you’re clever, and you allow things to flow towards you, and you decide on the path you want, it doesn’t have to be hard, does it? Although even when you’re getting your rewards for it, there’s a bit of me that certainly things I shouldn’t be getting paid for this. This is too fun. This is too good. I don’t deserve this. Somehow I still can’t get over that.
Slavica Bogdanov [20:56]
Well, I and I do believe I deserve it though.
David Ralph [21:00]
You do, do you? point man How have you got to that point and I’m still struggling with the fact that I don’t deserve what I’ve got what have you done it?
Slavica Bogdanov [21:11]
Because I, I love myself so much that I think I struggled enough I paid the price. And and also because I watched, like extremely rich people, you know, shows on TV and I started watching like extremely successful people, you know how they live and all and I realised, you know, some people are billionaires like, you know, the guy that invented the beanie babies, you know, the little Beanie Babies. Yeah, like the little bears. He said he’s, I think a multi millionaire, a billionaire. And I’m thinking if a guy invents like Beanie Babies and is a multi billionaire, I’m changing lives and I’m saving lives. I’m allowed to have as much money as I want. I mean, that you know, the five that were in the in the position that you know, I need Probably not doing anything anymore. I mean, everybody’s working for him and his life is easy and simple. And you know, he’s probably is worse or how much he earns per hour must be, you know, 10s of thousands of dollars. So I’m thinking if people like that, you know, are deserve to earn that much, I deserve it just as much because even more maybe, or similar without saying one is better than the other, because he’s bringing joy to kids. And it’s wonderful what he does in his way, but I’m thinking it, you know, everybody deserves it. Like, everybody deserves to have things flow. And I think it’s really because we were so brainwashed when we’re kids to say it, you have to work in something you hate in order to get the value of the money you’re gonna receive. And if you’re doing something you love, you’re not supposed to be paying for it. It’s just supposed to be fun. And I think that was so like drilled into our brains that as soon as we do something, that’s Fun. It’s like, Oh my god, I’m stealing money because I’m enjoying it. And it’s not the case. It’s just, it’s just a false belief that we have. But we can wipe that out if I wiped it out of my brain, that’s for sure.
David Ralph [23:12]
I have a lot of conversations with people. And I won’t say names. But after the event, did you in the show, were very much on the ball, and they will tell you exactly how things are happening and stuff in there. They’re playing a role, I suppose. But afterwards, quite often, they will go to you know, David, I’m a bit of an idiot. I just know how to do one thing very well. And that’s a real, that’s an eye opener. And I wish I could get somebody to actually come on the show and say, do you know I’m a complete idiot? I’ve got billions. Yeah, I agree with that. Oh, there you go. So I’ve done it. So you think that actually, to create success in your life? You don’t have to be juggling everything. You just need to do something very well.
Slavica Bogdanov [23:53]
Oh, yeah. And I’m like, if you see me in everyday life, I’m so naive. I’m so like, you know, my friends, like I’m this, this little girl that’s just discovering life and that is really naive, like, I can’t buy a car on my own because I have no idea of what is what, you know, I there’s so many things that I’m incapable of doing that are just like simple things. Just because I, you know, I’m not even you know, making some decisions in the regular life like, you know, daily day to day things or knowing you know, how to better my eating habits are things that are just out of, you know, out of the ordinary life I have difficulty with, but you give me a case of someone that’s suicidal and that, you know, is broke and everything and I can turn him around in like, a couple months, you know, but give me a simple task, and I’ll be like, Oh my god, you did. So I think I just might Third one, you know, I mastered self development and my in my business development around that. And then the rest is like I’m really this this girl with you know big eyes open going What the hell is happening? I have no idea how to do that, you know so I, I do believe I am an idiot in most parts of my
David Ralph [25:19]
life is a real key message to this whole show that we should get out to the listeners. But if you’re looking at these successful people, these movers and shakers, they more often than not have got to a point that they’ve ever been able to find people to to bring the strengths but they haven’t got on I’ve now got to a point but I’ve got teams doing stuff. So although they look like they’re all over the place, rocking and rolling, actually we’re only doing maybe one or two things very well and the rest is being taken care for them.
Slavica Bogdanov [25:51]
Well, thank god that’s where that’s where I got and in my in my work and my intrapreneurial life Because and and something funny I need to share because I hope it inspires people. Because I was born in Serbia and raised in Paris and lived in Canada and all that. I don’t actually write that well. And, you know, I have, you know, grammatical problems in both languages English and French. And I still managed to write 25 books. So just to say that, you know, one does not imply the other because a lot of P and you know, and you don’t need to be like, super good in writing or in math in order to achieve great success in in business or in life, which you know, a lot of people think, well, you have to have these basic you know, intelligence in some way and I don’t think you need to be smart in those fields to necessarily be smart in business or smart in your field in you to bring your purpose or Your passion and make money with it?
David Ralph [27:03]
Well, let’s play some words now. But I generally play at this time of the show, and I’m going to play them again. And it’s gonna move seamlessly to that moment where you decided to take action and take control of your life. This is Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey [27:16]
My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [27:43]
Now, when I started playing that I loved it because it was motivational and he obviously learned from his parents of what not to do, and I think most of us are programmed in some way by what our parents tell us. You can’t get away from that. But now I listened to that. And I think about Basically what he’s saying is about the individual, the period of our life, we don’t believe we can do something. So we don’t do it until we decide to do it. And once you start doing something, you realise that actually, what the hell was I waiting for? I should have been doing this years ago, but for some reason, you just sort of hold back. Do you see those words as being hugely powerful? And I should keep on playing them?
Slavica Bogdanov [28:24]
Definitely. Actually, I always get very emotional when you play that. Because it’s not only because I think of my parents, and how much they struggle that much, you know, they’ve worked hard all their life, but they did what they love doing, though, which is which is kind of good. But yes, it is true and you know, in it is true. And I think our beliefs are still influenced by, by our, you know, our parents or who has the role of parents when we’re kids. And when I was a kid, well, it wasn’t good to To be an author or painter, it’s not how you make money. And when you have immigrant parents, they usually want their kids to become either a doctor or a lawyer. You know, they, it’s not really well seen to be to be an author because you know, you’re going to be starving and it’s kind of almost a shame. So I was, you know, I had this idea in my mind, and I did you know, right when I was a teenager, but I led that on the side because I yes, I didn’t believe I could be successful in it. And I was scared to, to go start writing and living in a shack or something. So and then when when I hit rock bottom, it was exactly exactly like what he says. So you know what, I might as well just go on writing because this is what I love, because the rest I’ve been doing is seem to be working either. So I better do something. At least I love doing
David Ralph [29:58]
and did you need hit rock bottom. It was that your moment because it seems to me but more often than not people who float through life don’t hit those extremes and the ones that seem to suddenly go right and that is enough are the ones that hit rock bottom now I hit a kind of emotional rock bottom not financial, anything I could have coasted along being unhappy for a long time. But I know that emotionally I hit a rock bottom. Did you need that?
Slavica Bogdanov [30:26]
Did I need it? I think it helped me a lot. And not only it helped me realise what I truly wanted to do in life. And also it helped me because suddenly I discovered self help and I discovered all you know all this new new world that was that I would, you know, I didn’t even know about and that completely transformed my life and in the next exponentially fast. But I think it It helped me also because I survived through it. And I believe the surviving through it is a very lesson of saying, if I can survive that, you know, nothing is gonna ever stop me anymore.
David Ralph [31:08]
So let’s take you to that point, you’re at rock bottom. How do you get going? What’s the first thing? Do you buy a computer? Or do you just get a pad and start writing in it? How do you go from that point to writing 25 books? If you as you say, quite openly, you’re not the greatest writer in the world grammatically, how do you actually get going?
Slavica Bogdanov [31:31]
Well, when those people knocked on my door, they handed me a self help book in a DVD and so I watched it and it just completely like, I was I was so mind boggled by by the what I what I read because it was so not my way of thinking at all. And, and I thought, and I, one of the sentences as I read was, you know, you don’t have to believe me, but if you don’t like your life, maybe you Just try. Maybe you can just try and see how that works out for you. And I thought, you know what, I’ll do it. I’ll try it. And then I just became obsessed by reading an enormous quantity of those self help books and just putting everything in action to see what worked and what didn’t because I was so desperate and at the bottom, you know, I implemented everything I was, I was learning, and suddenly my life was changing around really rapidly. And when I saw that, then I said, Well, I’m giving it a go. And I want now to let as many people and because also people ask me, this is Slavica, something is going on with you. You’ve you’ve changed so much in such a short amount of time. And I thought, Oh, I absolutely got to tell them I got to tell as many people as possible, since I didn’t know maybe so many others don’t even know about all of what is possible to do. And I kind of became Also driven by the fact that I’m going to show the world that you can do anything you want basically that anything is really possible. And and that became my drive. And then yeah, it just became one book after another. And I guess I’m truly inspired. And I want to give as many thing as possible to the people so that they have the tools to stop, you know, stop paddling against the current and find their wave.
David Ralph [33:32]
So So what was the first one when you sat down? Did you sort of open a book and just start writing or did you think what this is what I want to get out?
Slavica Bogdanov [33:41]
And actually the first book I wrote, which is it was called be free. And the first book I wrote the free was basically about getting out of your own prison, all the prisons that you you lock yourself in, you know, because you You don’t have the keys. Basically, you’re getting out and you just gotten used to those prisons, whether it’s your job, whether it’s your relationship, whether it’s your body, whatever prisons, there are, and it was getting, what are the keys to open all these doors so that you you set yourself free. And in my mind, it was becoming financially free and also free from within, to be able to just, you know, live the life, you know, immensely and not just be locked up in this little cell where you don’t feel you can walk out and experience life, you know? Totally.
David Ralph [34:39]
Because you can do that. Can you and I say this time and time again, and I have so many emails from people, when they’re saying I would like to do something and I would don’t do it then like, Oh, no, it’s not. It’s not as easy as it is easy. It is easy. You just have to get going on it and I’d always say don’t quit your job, work. On the side until you can quit your job. And if that’s the rule, or you might even want to do your job and just by doing that other thing, it makes you enjoy your job more. And that’s even better because you’ve got two incomes coming in. But the bottom line is, it’s down to you listeners, it really is. And if you want to do something, every single person who has walked on this path has had to work towards something. If they wanted to be a dolphin trainer, they had to go and learn about dolphins and study. If they wanted to be a sculptor, then they had to learn about it. Not one of these people have been given God given talents. I know we hear that word and you do get talents which you can develop, but I still had to work on it. I have a nice Slavica.
Slavica Bogdanov [35:45]
Yes, exactly and I believe you have to work on it, but it’s much easier to work on something that you enjoy because then it’s not really work. It’s just you know, it’s just fun. And that’s why I always say, tell people you know, choose a field that you really, really love. Because there’s going to be a lot of work involved. So you better work in something that you really enjoy. And not just do something for the sake of earning money because you’re going to be one stopped by the obstacles. You won’t go past those obstacles if you don’t truly have the passion. And secondly, will your life is going to be just miserable remembering something you love, might as well do something you love because yes, there is a lot of work to get to that tipping point to to get to that wave. Probably the paddling to get to the wave is a lot of work. And it is something sometimes draining and we’re thinking oh my god, am I ever gonna make it through you know, but, but during that process, it is more much more driving if you’re doing something that you’re enjoying. Definitely. So it is a lot of work, but, you know, I’d rather do what I’m doing now. work in a corporation for gazillion amount
David Ralph [37:03]
of dollars a year. Oh, I agree with you. I could never go back. I am totally unemployable. I meet my mates down the pub. And there’s a there’s a couple of pumps. There’s three pumps just down the road from me. And it’s right on the commuter belt. So people come out of London, and they literally walk past. And you can be standing there in Yes, sandals and shorts on a lovely summer’s day. And you see these people walk back, and they just look kind of grey, because not one of them looks inspired. They’re doing jobs, but are paying the bills. And there’s nothing wrong with that. I did that for years and years and years. And I now can see that there is a different way and you can have the life that you want. You can enjoy yourself, you can earn great money, but you’re not going to get it overnight. And that’s the bottom line. I didn’t earn a penny from this show, till i’d released probably 150 episodes, and so 150 episodes were recorded. And that was just 130 The hours and when I had all the sort of learning it and all that kind of stuff, so I pretty much worked on slave labour really for over a year, I didn’t earn a penny from it. But when you’ve got that belief in, whilst you’re doing it, you’re actually getting better. And people are responding to you. Ultimately, you know that the money will come. And I used to hear that all the time. You know, don’t worry about the money. If you do something you love, the money will come, but it’s true. And unfortunately, a lot of these phrases that people throw at you are actually true, and that’s why they’re so annoying because you can’t see them at the time. It’s only when you can see them, but you realise that that’s why they’re saying them because it’s true. True Slavica.
Slavica Bogdanov [38:39]
Yeah, I totally agree with you. And and people always, you know, I coach people about about that and they go but you know, it’s impossible that what I love doing will bring me money because it’s this or because of that. They’re always finding a reason that their specific field you can’t make money out of and I say I’m Blood, the author and a painter, you know, I think in the world that’s considered like the, you know, I finished, like my first year of university was in philosophy, you know, there’s very little potential life usually, with, that’s what people think. So if I can make money and a lot of it doing something I love with not being the, you know, accurate, you know, perfect in what I do just being, you know, trying to be the best and what I do, then anybody can, you know, I heard stories of a lady that loves to MIT and she became like this multi millionaire knitting. You know, there’s no, there’s no, people think that their particular job does not have, you know, a potential for income. It’s because their mindset is not open yet to all the possibilities but there’s a gazillion amount of but possibilities out there in the universe to make money with anything.
David Ralph [40:00]
really anything, it’d be very interesting to spend an afternoon trying to find the most bizarre jobs you possibly can on the internet. And just think to yourself, because getting back to surfing again, and these are my two favourite jobs that I’ve heard since doing the shows, and they’re both surfing, and one of the ones was that lady that used to go surfing, but had to leave her dog behind. So she taught her dog how to surf. And then there’s all these other surfers were saying, Oh, I’d love to take my dog out with me. So she now trains dogs to go surfing. Now when you think about that, that is stupid, isn’t it? It seems stupid. But she’s making a living at it. And then there was another lady who loved doing surfing. And she said, Oh, I’d love to do this for a living but I do training coaches, you know, that’s what I do. I’m a leadership management person. And then she realised as we were talking about various sort of a simpatico between the principles of surfing and management. So now she gets managers out into the water and Does training courses in the waves? You know, it’s it’s genius, but when you first hear it you go What? We can continue to earn money from that, because we’re just so ingrained by the, the you get up at night, get on the train at nine o’clock and you go to your office and you come home and all that kind of stuff, but life doesn’t have to below Bye. Hi, I’m gonna hold my hand up and I’m gonna say, I’m an idiot as well. I can just do one thing well, and that is be myself on the microphone. And I think that is basically my superpower. And, hey, I’m doing what I can pay the bills, so why not do anything else?
Slavica Bogdanov [41:35]
Exactly. I and I agree with you that, you know, I it’s like this lady I met and she loved reading books and everybody was telling her you know, stop reading books and go get a real job. And she’s like, became a super well paid book critic. So that there is no there’s no limit to what you can achieve if you have that passion and that drive and yeah, you Don’t have to be smart in everything. And one day you’ll hire like even Trump says it. He said it like I long time ago, he said, I just don’t want to be smart and everything. I don’t want to be smart in my finances. I don’t want to be smart. In my men in the medical profession, I hire people that are smart. My job is to hire the best smartest people in their field, and not do as much. So it’s not so much about, you know, knowing it all is just surrounding yourself with the people that do know their thing really well to help you do your thing really well,
David Ralph [42:41]
because I had a big mindset shift when I found it very hard to delegate stuff that I could do very quickly. And I used to think, oh, what’s the point of paying somebody to do that? I could just do it. But a lot of it’s boring. It’s not that I can’t do it. And I’m not an intelligent guy in certain areas. I just can’t be bothered to do it. It’s just boring stuff. And this lady said to me, Do you realise that there’s somebody that you could change their life by getting them to do it, they’re looking for money, they’re looking to work at home, they would love to do those tasks, and you’re actually helping to change somebody’s life. Soon as I said that it was a mindset shift. It really was. I thought, yeah, okay, I can do it, but she wants to do it and I’m helping somebody get her to do it. So I try not to do anything boring. If I look at it and think God, this is boring. I don’t try to do it. I, I generally play and I love the fact but I come up, offers days I record shows, which is like play to me. And then the other days, I do other stuff, and I sort of dabble around and you you make a very nice living, don’t you?
Slavica Bogdanov [43:43]
Definitely. And it’s true. I had the same difficulty of delegating one. For me. It wasn’t so much that it was I could do it. I can do it fast also, but for me it was more to things I was a control freak. So everything needed to go through me because thought, you know, if it’s not done by me, then it won’t be done. Well, that was the first thought. And then, you know, how can I trust someone to do it for me? When I can do it, and I’m going to do it, I’m going to do it all. The second thing I realised that, you know, it was and the second thing was, I was afraid to pay people to do it. Because, you know, I lived so much scarcity that I was like, Oh my god, but if I start paying people, then you know, I’m having less money in my bank account and everything and then I realised, I’m just multiplying myself by two 310 20 as many people as I’m hiring, and suddenly Oh my god, you know, I have so much time on my hands to do so much more of what I do best of and what I can be paid even more for.
David Ralph [44:48]
It’s clever, isn’t it? It’s clever. It’s the whole episode has been based around mindset. And it really is. I know, it sounds like we’re just having a lovely conversation, but there’s nuggets of gold Through this, if this is the right episode for you to listen to at the time, this episode will change your life. Because what we’re saying to you is, find the one thing that you can do very well and you enjoy doing it and become even better than you possibly could think. Then look around to think how you can bring those talents into the world and provide value to people. And don’t worry about all the business stuff. Don’t worry about all the things that you don’t know about. They can take care of themselves just to work on doing that until the time is right for you to get somebody to help you or or get some support or just watch a YouTube video to learn that thing you don’t know. But little by little by little you will move towards what you want. And when you look back, you go Wow, I’ve done so much. How did I do so much in six months when I’ve been on this planet for 30 years and haven’t done anything? There it is. It’s true nuggets of gold, isn’t it?
Slavica Bogdanov [45:52]
Yeah, definitely. And I really hope that people that it open people’s minds and that they realise that they have that potential and they have have that power. There’s a lot of people that asked me but how do I know you know what my purpose is? Or what my you know what I should do in life and because there’s so they’ve been so you know, demolished by by their daily current affairs that they don’t even know anymore who they are, you know, it’s like they lost themselves someone somewhere along the line in those in that corporate world. And I said there is one there’s at least one thing that when you do it, you don’t feel like you don’t see time go by there’s at least one thing that when you do it, you’re completely involved into it. And I said, the second sign is, there might be things that people come to you because you’re doing it better than them. And those if those two factors are combined, you’re doing something that you really you know, get lost then when you do it and on top of it, people come to you and ask you do it because you’re better. Then you have something there. You have some you’re upset. Something sellable and enjoyable. So that’s that’s the big sign.
David Ralph [47:04]
Absolutely. I agree with everything you’re saying. So what I want to do now is play the words of the whole show is the reason why we called it Join Up Dots. And it ties up nicely to the last few words that I said on the introduction, but you now can understand how much everything made sense on your journey. This is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [47:24]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever, because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path and that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [48:00]
So when is your big.in life? When you look back on everything? Where was the moment where you thought, yeah, but that really was when I started to take control of my own destiny.
Slavica Bogdanov [48:11]
Well, I’d say when those two people knocked on my door, I’d say that’s one thing. I realised looking back, that I’ve always been a leader. You know, I’ve, weirdly enough now I realise it, I probably didn’t realise it when I was when I was there, but that I always had that leadership, innovative kind of mindset of doing things. Maybe because, you know, I was bullied in school, and then the bullying brought me to be very, you know, isolated. And therefore, the isolation, you know, brought me to the fact of not caring so much about what people would think because I was not in I was not the, you know, the crowd that’s all in and all cool and everything, and I was kind of the outcast I think I was the outcast a lot. And that brought me to the fact that well, might as well do my own thing since Anyway, I’m not, I don’t have to prove myself to others to be accepted. And I think that’s, that’s what led me to be, you know, an innovator and and, and the leader and have these, you know, great amounts of ideas. I think also the fact that I, you know, I failed so much in life up to the fact that up to the time where I started being very successful, made me understand that what I really lacked was all those self development tools at a young age. And that’s what leading me now to create a track to teach kids is, it’s that that’s that I’m so convinced that if kids would have all these tools that are lacking in the educational system, we wouldn’t have to go through all these pains and struggles growing up and Going through those nine to five jobs we hate because we would already have all these, you know, tools to empower us and make us become more aware and, and more confident and, and have everything we need in order to succeed in the best possible way. So that’s a driving force. I think in my life, the fact that, you know, it’s like, almost like a, I don’t like using the word anger, but it is kind of an anger to say, you know, I lived through all these miserable moments, because I didn’t have the tools but these miserable moments created the person that now is going to make it happen for kids all over the world to have them so I think and the fact that yes, I did things that were extraordinary in my life, that nobody else you know, everybody was telling me it was impossible. You know, I led a I started a peace movement. just out of the blue one day I decided, you know, I don’t want accepted the bad news that I saw on TV. So I’m going to start a peace movement and stop it. And people were telling me, you know, you’re crazy. And six months later, I was in the parliament, you know, club behind closed doors meeting with party leaders alone to explain, you know, my thoughts and my point of view, which was something that nobody else had done. You know, I I did things that were kind of regarded as crazy. I invested in real estate and I actually went and fix buildings on my own to to make money in real estate. So things that you know, people think that’s crazy and you can you can do it made me believe now. And even my relatives, when I tell them, I’m going to do this, they say, Well, you know, what Slavica knowing you, if you put that in your mind, there’s nothing that’s gonna be able to stop you. You’re just gonna walk, walk through the desert through anything, and you’re gonna get there. So I think that’s those are the main events that may Brought brought me to believe one that an unstoppable and I think everybody is unstoppable if they find that drive. And that there is no limitation to anybody with anybody can achieve once you have that confidence in yourself, and you get the tools in achieving them. And the third is really to help kids to understand that before we’re at the point where you have, you know, 20 3040 years to prove you the contrary, and then you have to complete you know, the struggle to change your mindset then is so much harder than when you’re a kid. I applaud
David Ralph [52:36]
you again. And I think that is one of the key problems with the education system. I see it in my own kids. I’ve seen it in myself. They lose something through it, they don’t come out inspired. And that’s why we love the films like Dead Poets Society, because it was different from the schooling that we had, which was just like, eight hours or even eight hours. It used to feel like I was just trying to get through it until you could get up So I absolutely applaud you for what you’re doing. And I believe totally, but whatever you put your mind to, and whatever anyone else out there listening puts their mind to. If you follow through on it and you keep on chipping away, you’ll get there, you really will. Well, this is the end of the show now, and this is the part of we call the Sermon on the mic when we send you back on time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the younger version, what age would you choose and what advice would you give? Well, we’re going to find out because I’m going to play the theme tune and when it fades, you’re up. This is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [53:40]
We go with the best bit of the show, man, my man
Slavica Bogdanov [53:59]
hi This is a Vika and I’m older now. And I know you’re only seven. And you don’t know much of life yet, although you you think already you do because you already suffered so much. I want to tell you that you are loved, that I love you with all my heart.
And I want to tell you that you have the potential to do whatever you want. You don’t have to listen to others. never accept me bullied or put down. You have the capacity to realise and achieve any dream that you have at this moment.
And I want you to know that you deserve the best of what life has to offer. And never allow anyone ever to tell you the contrary. You are a magnificent being, and just for the fact that you exist, it is proof that you deserve the best. And that you need not go through struggles in life, to prove yourself that and that what you want in life is already there. You just have to open your heart and your mind and follow. Follow the road that opens to you. But don’t listen to others don’t. Don’t be influenced by people that maybe are jealous or maybe don’t want you to succeed. Just walk your path and know that there’s so much love out there for you and that you deserve all that now.
David Ralph [55:47]
Slavica, how can our audience connect with you?
Slavica Bogdanov [55:51]
Well, I’m everywhere but they can go and attracted you.us that’s the best way and also they can go evidentially on a I’m Facebook, Slavica Bogdanov, and you can find me also in on YouTube. I do a lot of free videos,
David Ralph [56:07]
we have all the links in the show notes. So you can thank you so much for spending time with us today, joining up those dots and please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our paths is the best way to build our futures. Slavica bogged down off, thank you so much.
Slavica Bogdanov [56:25]
Thank you, David, with all my heart. Thank you.
David Ralph [56:30]
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