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Introducing Kemi Egan
My guest today on the Join Up Dots free podcast interview is Kemi Egan.
A lovely lady who was kind enough to allow me to spend time with her on her own show Freedom Academies…..Turbo Charge Your Success.
Now during our conversation it was clear to me that this was a lady that I needed to get on Join Up Dots, as she has a story that shows all the characteristics that we find in the successful.
She and her business partner Laura West, a few years ago found themselves homeless
The business they ran together was going south and they were exhausted.
They had no option at all but to move into two rooms in the office.
They had a problem that most business owners have at one time or another.
They were very good at that they did, but nobody knew about it.
They couldn’t get their talents out into the world.
How The Dots Joined Up For Kemi
They started researching business growth systems, high performance ‘gurus’, wealth creation experts and all the investment strategies they could get there hands on.
Within twelve months they had a property portfolio worth over $2,000,000 that they had bought with others people’s money. More importantly the income from that property was double the income from their business that they had spent years building up!
They also applied all the business knowledge they had gained, transformed their business and went on to sell it!
They did all of this while being homeless, using the leisure centre across the road to shower and working 80 hours per week.
So was it just that the dots joined up, the time became right for them to flourish?
Or was it more to do with the understanding that upskilling your knowledge is the way to go.
Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots, with the one and only Kemi Egan
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Kemi Egan such as:
Why mind-set is so important to gain, and is a constant battle for everyone, no matter what level you are at in life
How it doesn’t matter about the crazy things that you have done in your life in the past, it’s what you want to do in the future that makes all the difference.
Why the people who go out and purely try to get rich are the most unhappy people in the world.
And we share amazing tips to get control of your email inbox, and how to set out the standards that your business will thrive on.
Why she knows totally how to find her superpower and brings that to the fore at every opportunity.
How To Connect With Kemi Egan
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Interview Transcription Of Kemi Egan Inteview
David Ralph [0:00]
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David Ralph [0:48]
Hello there, everybody and welcome to Join Up Dots Episode 414. And I am feeling good. I’ve had some terrible night’s sleep this week. It’s been sleep deprivation It’s worse. It’s been like when you have young kids and I get up over time. I have been I’ve been sort of on fumes but last night at a good night’s kit. So I’m ready for a great show. And it is going to be a great show because this guest is not just a guest, she’s a friend. Yeah, she’s a personal friend of mine, because she was kind enough to allow me to spend time with her on her own show freedom Academy’s turbocharge your success, and we had such a great chat. And during our conversation, it was clear to me that this was a lady that I needed to get on Join Up Dots. She has a story but shows all the characteristics that we find in the successful folk. Now Shana business partner, lower West A few years ago, found themselves homeless, the business they ran together was going south, and they were exhausted, they had no option at all, but to move into two rooms in the office. Now they had a problem that most business owners have at one time or another. They’re very good at what they did. But nobody knew about it. They couldn’t get their talents out into the world. So they started researching business growth. systems, high performance gurus, wealth creation experts and all the investment strategies they could get their hands on. And we’ve been 12 months Yes, just 12 months that had a property portfolio worth over 2 million but I bought with other people’s money. Yeah, not even Mr. Money. Now, more importantly, the income from that property was double the income from their business that I had spent years building up. Now I also applied all the business knowledge that I had gained, transform their business, and went on to sell it and I did all of this while still being homeless using the leisure centre across the road to shower and working 80 hours per week. So was it just that the dots joined up and the time became right for them to flourish? Or was it more to do with the understanding but upskilling your knowledge is the key thing to do? You can never keep learning, but let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Kim Egan. How are you, Kemi?
Kemi Egan [2:57]
Hey, I’m really well thank you. How are you?
David Ralph [2:59]
You’re Not really well, you’ve got hay fever. You were telling me you use your sniffling and snotty and rather unattractive in an attractive way because you are an attractive lady. But you’re you’re struggling at the moment.
Kemi Egan [3:11]
Yeah, I always have a year long things. It’s not really a drama anymore. But it just means every now and again, my voice gets a little bit different. My eyes get a bit puffy.
David Ralph [3:21]
So So how do you know that because my wife has hay fever, and she says, Oh, it’s a fever. And I say well, how do you know it’s a fever? Not cold. How do you determine?
Kemi Egan [3:30]
Because I don’t you don’t feel kind of unwell. It’s some. It’s I describe it’s just feeling a bit cloudy. So wake up my eyes. We’re a little bit puffy. And I just feel a little bit and haze. Always like you know you’ve got a hangover and it’s just that dehydration feeling. You don’t actually feel bad. You’re just not quite with it.
David Ralph [3:49]
I have no idea what you mean Kimmy? I have never known you. You can’t say to the host You’re a liar. That’s not
Kemi Egan [3:58]
I can’t say we don’t know.
David Ralph [4:00]
Yeah, I know that feeling extremely, extremely well. So that’s what it’s like. Is it a bit a bit of a hangover?
Kemi Egan [4:06]
Yeah, just going a bit cloudy a bit kind of vague. It takes me a while to kind of get my brain to kick in. And then I’ll take some anti histamines have a nice cold shower, make sure there’s no pollen on my skin anywhere. And I’m pretty good to go.
David Ralph [4:20]
Well, we were talking just before we started recording, and I’m going to bring it straight into the conversation because it is a key part. You wake up in the morning being self employed and you feel a bit rough. Are you more likely to just lay on the sofa and do Netflix or because you found your thing? all you can to push through it. Unlike people who will phone up the boss and come in today I feel really rough.
Kemi Egan [4:45]
I think it really depends. I am, especially in the early days of the business, I would have said 100% i’d push through and do whatever. Now. You know, I’m quite fortunate that financially I didn’t. I didn’t need to work. I need to do anything. So if I’m in the middle of a project that I’m really passionate about, and I really love and I really want to drive forward, then for sure, you know, hell or high water isn’t getting in my way. But if Actually, I’ve just got a couple of bits and pieces to do and a couple of meetings later on in the day, then I’m like, well just have a chill out, have a relaxed might go. Where I live is really cool to got a lot of really nice cafes and bars around. So you know, I might just head out for some breakfast and then when I’m ready, get back to it. So I you know, sometimes I’m a bit a little bit screwed, because if I’ve got, like yourself, I’ve got a big old podcast, I’ve got 20 bookings in a day, you just have to roll with it. And other days if I’m the option and I play play, which is something I’m really, I really love and I really recognise that that’s one of the benefits of the life we live.
David Ralph [5:48]
Well I’ve got a platform that I created called dream starters Academy where we get people thinking about what is possible and moving towards bear the dream life as I say, create a dream and I realise Early in the days, but one of the key points I had to get across to people is, it’s possible. When you’re hearing me say you’ve actually can get up and she can go down for a bit of lunch and breakfast and come back. And she can open her first kind of fosters at half past nine in the morning, and everything is all right in her life. You can do that, can’t you? When you find the thing that means that you are providing value to people on a global scale? all the rules and regulations go out the window, and you literally have your cake and eat it. And it’s a big mindset shift. Did you struggle to get past that like everybody else does?
Kemi Egan [6:36]
Oh, massively. Absolutely. I am. You know, I came from a background where we didn’t have a lot of money and at times any money, you know, as a single parent, mixed race family, it was, you know, there’s a lot of domestic abuse, there’s a lot of addiction, you know, it was it was a pretty, I guess, rough background. So the idea that you could be financially free or you could Coming go as you please or you know you can have assets that generate passive income
David Ralph [7:07]
when you say that Why do you laugh now? Because it still sounds kind of unbelievable somehow but you can earn money while you sleep.
Kemi Egan [7:14]
Yeah, it’s it’s insane. I’m not sure I’ll ever, ever actually come to terms with how fortunate I am. And I’ll never stop forgetting the feelings Well, when I first started studying this and become an educated people were telling me all this was possible and you can get private lenders and they’ll give you 100 grand today buy houses, I thought they were all mental. I genuinely thought everyone had lost the plot and I was the only sane one left. It was the other way around. Everyone else had it bang on and I just had to get on the train and figure it out.
David Ralph [7:45]
He’s not the old Alice in Wonderland, isn’t it? You go through the mirror and being you will never see the landscape in the same way again, I I’ve been doing this for two years now. And I would say in the last probably three months, even though I was Talking about it on a daily basis and living the life to a certain degree. last three months. It’s it’s turned on its head and I’ve gone turbocharged and now I believe everything that anyone says to me, and it was it’s like a switch going on. And once you finally believe it is like all the windows change in the view that you’ve been seeing isn’t there anymore. It’s just totally different. And you realise, but you can, as I say, have your cake and eat it. What’s a great way for somebody out there who’s sitting on the train that going to that crappy job, they got the boss that they can’t stand, and they’re thinking, this is the life I want, but it’s not for me. I know. It’s not for me, because it’s for the lucky people. What’s a good thing to have can be
Kemi Egan [8:49]
a resource or a book or something, anything,
David Ralph [8:51]
anything to Kickstarter.
Kemi Egan [8:54]
I love podcasts. I didn’t know some really amazing podcasts out there and they give you a really great Oh Sorry. So you know, but your podcast you’ve got Pat Flynn’s got Entrepreneur on Fire. And there are some really great ones that have guests on from different walks of life and they’re doing different things at the moment. What’s the craziest one?
David Ralph [9:14]
What’s the greatest Kemi, you mentioned free beer but what’s what’s the best one?
Kemi Egan [9:18]
Kemi Egan [9:21]
I think for me, it probably doesn’t fit in with our conversation but I really love Tim Ferriss one No, you
David Ralph [9:26]
should have said Join Up Dots you mentioned path for me to fire me. And I led you to that perfect moment and you you screwed up.
Kemi Egan [9:35]
David Ralph [9:41]
famous getting top billing over me.
Kemi Egan [9:45]
Hey, unless you want to be a human guinea pig like he is just let him do it.
David Ralph [9:49]
I think so. She was here we sort of we added that as if it never happened. So what what is the best podcast out there for people to get to get that vibe?
Kemi Egan [9:59]
Well, you know There’s one that just stands out head and shoulders above all of the rest is just so good. I don’t even know if I know the name. No, this one is an amazing show you have some great guests on. And I think the conversations you have with them are so genuine and so authentic, you actually get to the root of who they are and why they do what they do, rather than skimming the surface, which is massively valuable.
David Ralph [10:21]
Well, you didn’t need to say that. But sharks are tight at competence anyway. Um, so if we sort of delve into your life, you say, it was a pretty rough upbringing. Did you? Were you aware that it was rough at the time? Were you aware of sort of the opportunities that maybe you had and your peer group wasn’t going to be conducive to where you are now directly?
Kemi Egan [10:44]
Kemi Egan [10:46]
I think, I think so. I always knew that I would be I would do something different from from kind of day one. I’ve always known that and my mom now tells me that even I was really, really little You can kind of four or five, but besides where, you know, I’m gonna buy you a house one time, I’m not going to do this, I’m going to do that. Which is odd because, you know, there was no way in reality that was ever going to happen. Now, I’m not a huge fan of being realistic, but if we’re going to be, you know, it was never gonna happen. The chances were so we’re so slim. But I always talked about this, I always, I’m quite fortunate that, you know, academia kinda came quite naturally to me. So I didn’t have to try very hard to get decent grades at school. On the flip side, not having to try very hard means I didn’t concentrate and I got two cards and all the things that I shouldn’t
David Ralph [11:34]
have done. What did you do? What naughty stuff go on. No one listens. It’s just you and me.
Kemi Egan [11:43]
You know, I did a lot of things that you shouldn’t do, and you certainly shouldn’t be doing at such a young age.
David Ralph [11:47]
I was like, what, give me an example.
Kemi Egan [11:52]
I didn’t know I probably drank too much and did other things too much.
David Ralph [11:58]
You can never have too much. Too much Kenya is at the right time. Yeah.
Kemi Egan [12:06]
But now, you know, our school had a have a quite well known drug problem. And you know, it wasn’t anything kind of hardcore, it was still awesome that you want people in the young teams to be up to my lunch break.
David Ralph [12:20]
But does it? Does it make you when you look back on that? Do you kind of think to yourself, wow, it was just crazy times? Or do you just think well, that’s actually part of where I am. Now. That’s, that’s part of the journey.
Kemi Egan [12:32]
Yeah, I used to be really embarrassed by it and really ashamed by it. And I wouldn’t talk about you know, the journey or where it came from, or whatever, because I didn’t want it to. I didn’t want to be judged based on that. But actually, as the last few years have gone on, I’m really happy to be judged based on that, you know, I don’t want to be seen to condone it, which is why I’m a little bit careful what I say that I did, because I know some people take that as being you know, that’s a good idea. It was good. But I’m incredibly proud of where I came from what I’ve managed to create as a result, and I’m really proud that it means I can stand in front of anyone and look them in the eyes. And if I did it, you can, you know, when I, if I look at where I came from and and where I am now, then I can guarantee you the chances are you’re a million times better off than I was. So don’t let anything stand in your way. And I think when I can say that, from this position, it gives me a real chance at helping people that may be others that have had a more privileged upbringing. Can’t do because they can’t relate on the same level.
David Ralph [13:31]
I do think you’re absolutely right. I think it’s that breadth of experience, even though and we’ve all got things in our life. We look back and go maybe I shouldn’t have done that at that time. But it’s part of is part of the journey, as we say, and it leads you to the point of where you want to take action. And that point, whether it comes in your 30s, your 40s your 20s is only right for you and it doesn’t matter about your past is only about that moment. how you’re going to move on from that point onwards. So you had that moment you had that moment where you suddenly went now Enough is enough. Things have been going a bit bit pear shaped as we say in the United Kingdom. I’m going to actually create the future I want. Was it back cut and dry? it? Was it just over a period of time. Were you in the shower one morning? Yes, I know what I’m gonna do. How did it all come about? And if you just want to talk about being in the shower for hours, I’m happy with that as well.
Kemi Egan [14:33]
Yes, I just felt like an American Pie flashback.
What happened? So actually, when I so I graduated as a physical therapist, and I started this health care clinic because again, I remember being young and being hurt and my mom couldn’t afford to take me to a private clinic and the waitlist for what we have Nico the NHS was, you know 12 16 weeks or whatever. And you know, I remember my mom being upset because I was hurt, she couldn’t do anything about it and I was also upset so I was in pain. So I started this place with the view of it being a middle ground to it was kind of cheaper than most affordable places, but immediate care, you know, top quality, all of that just and I was really, really proud of that. And then I lost one of my best friends. She her boyfriend killed her. And I realised in that moment, that actually although I thought the site was broken, and I thought things were changing, actually, nothing was good I I had a different title and maybe fancier shoes, but the reality is, we’re all still in the same environment we were and then moving forward. Fortunately for me, I started to open this business in the middle of a worldwide recession and it was all going down the pan and overnight a couple of our big suppliers so you know, you have car crashes and that kind of thing. Yeah, we we got our referrals a lot. from them, and a couple of the big guys went under, they took with it, you know, 85% of our business, and the thousands and thousands and thousands of pounds that they owed us in fees that we’d already generated, which is how we kind of ended up living in this in this office. And it was just a moment where I sat there, completely broken hearted thinking, you know, I’m doing everything I can I’m trying to help. I’m trying to make a difference. I’m trying to break this cycle and make sure this never happens again, but it’s not working. And I don’t understand why. And I absolutely this this evening, just sobbed my heart out for hours and hours. Talk about snow in Greece, that was a rough night. And, and it was just I was just heartbroken. I couldn’t, I couldn’t stand up. I couldn’t breathe. I just couldn’t function properly. And I came down to the fact that actually change the world requires wealth. You know, if I would have stopped which I do, my big goal in life is to have This fantastic Centre for victims of domestic violence where you learn skills and you learn training so it properly breaks the cycle of poverty of violence. You know, if I’m gonna start this then I need to have I need to be financially secure myself, I need to have wealth I need to go to influence other people and get them involved and get them to help create this this big, big dream. And so I thought, well actually, you know what, what makes money what’s what does everyone else in the world doing that I’m not doing? You know, everyone during this time we have this recession but people are still making money united See, Donald Trump Harlan sugar living on the street because we’re in a recession. So clearly these people know something they don’t. And I just threw myself at books and audio programmes and online training and podcasts and webinars and just trying to figure out what it was that they all knew that I didn’t. And it was kind of in that moment that this switch occurred for me that I realised that there Is it a better way and a different way?
David Ralph [18:03]
Because I think that switch is always in you. I think that you can read all the books, you can listen to all the podcasts. But when that switch occurs, you actually find your thing that’s inside you already. It’s almost like you’re, you’re trying to hump the something that actually is in your ready. And it’s that that experience that you’ve built up over those years, how much of that switch was bad? How much was what you’d learn through the podcast and the books? And how much did you actually realise, oh, my God, I think I know it and I can do it. This is part of me.
Kemi Egan [18:41]
Yeah, absolutely. It was all it was entirely in me. I know that from day one. Because equally, I’ve seen others try it and you need to have a certain drive. You need to have a motivation. It needs to be something deeper than just willing to get rich. I genuinely think the people that go out there just wanting to get rich. Gentleman, he failed quite quickly, even if they make it first. What the podcast and the books did for me, it’s given me a vehicle. So I listened to all of this, I figured out that real estate is a brilliant way with amazing leverage. And that was going to be my path to create wealth in the first instance before I diversified with multiple streams of income. But yeah, the you know, the switch the catalyst that was already in me, the the other stuff just gave me a way to do it.
David Ralph [19:26]
So when you are doing all your things, how do you keep the focus about it, because that’s one of the key parts when you’re starting anything. We hear about the shiny object syndrome where suddenly something grabs your attention, and you go off in that direction. Now with this show here, it’s the first time ever, but I have remained focused for two and a half years, and I can see the benefit of doing that. It’s all around me and any opportunity that came. That wasn’t part of my plan. I just haven’t done it. I’ve knocked it away. How have you done that when you’ve got so many opportunities coming your way? You build that certain amount of momentum.
Kemi Egan [20:03]
Oh, so hard, isn’t it, she’s seen these great things and the opportunity to work with these great people, you know, that’d be so much fun. That’d be fun. You know, that would be a great honour blah, blah, blah. The first thing I did was, I had a really clear vision of what I wanted. Some of that was income generated, some of it was net worth generated, some of it was just lifestyle generated. So any opportunity that came to me if it didn’t get me closer to any of those goals, just got rid of it. You know, so if I was offered an opportunity that would have taken me closer to me my network, but actually taking step back on my lifestyle, just didn’t, I didn’t entertain it. And that gave me a good solid, probably three ish years for me to kind of build their portfolio build the management team and systems around it without any distraction. And what I employing now is generally either an 8020 or 70 2010 1640 type process. So I have one thing, that’s my main focus for the time being. So maybe 60 65% of my time is spent on this one thing, then I have a secondary focus, which will be I might spend, say 25 30% of my time on. And then I’ll have a third focus or third thing that I’ll be maybe researching maybe putting steps in mind for maybe having meetings to line up. And then when my 65% mission is systemize is set up and I’ve got the team running it that can move over my you know, 30% focus moves to being 60% of my time, and a 10% moves over. So now generally have you know two or three things on the go, they just have different amounts of my time. And the big goal with each of them is to get it set up, get it systemized, get it running, largely without me I might take five hours of my week or whatever. And then when that happens, I can shift over, let the team run it. And then I go on to the next thing. So so that means
David Ralph [22:09]
so you know your talents, you know that you are a startup gal, and you push it on and then you go for something new.
Kemi Egan [22:17]
David Ralph [22:19]
And could you be there for the long term? Did you think that that’s not gonna happen? You really do get bored and you need to move it on?
Kemi Egan [22:28]
Yeah, I get bored, senseless. To be honest, I am a call. I didn’t want to focus on one thing for too much time. I just lose the passion for it, I lose the excitement. And I figured out that what I’m really great at is connecting with people is having good meetings is bringing in great people. It’s knowing what other people are really good at. So you know, for most of my business, there are people that are better at running it than I am. There is a management team for the properties are rented out and much better than the I would be, so if I tried to be I’d be not only not offering jobs, but there should be, I’d be holding back my own business growth. You know, my my talent is strategic overview is looking at it on a bigger picture, then what can fit in where what can we do Where? How can we do this? How can we do that? Who can we bring in? And so I stick to that and it’s amazing, then go and do that.
David Ralph [23:21]
Is that really your super talent? Is that your superpower? If you pulled up in your players, would that be across there?
Kemi Egan [23:29]
David Ralph [23:31]
So you really nailed it, because I know but my super talent is being me. And it’s taken me a while to realise that I was trying to do so loads of other stuff. But I think naturally being me is my power. And it seems so easy, but that’s what I get more and more from the shows people feed back to me. And the first thing that they sort of say is you sound so honest and real. It’s like we know you and I think well thank God for that because you don’t know me because this is just me. But when You find that thing that means a part of you for a while that goes, I shouldn’t I should be working harder at this, this should be more difficult. I can’t just create value in my life and the world by being me. That’s got to be other other reasons why I should be doing that. Do you struggle with that as well, when you pull up in your blouse and go, this is the one thing that I do, and I do it well, oh, it’s a bit easy.
Kemi Egan [24:24]
100% and it’s really interesting. So you said about being you. Because for years, I thought, you know, to be a business leader and to have different companies. You had to be this big, obtuse person and, you know, maybe arrogant and whatever else. And I kind of tried to be it for a while, and I tried to be something called was in sort of still doing my superpower, but I was trying to do under the umbrella of someone else. And it just didn’t sit well. I didn’t feel great things weren’t happening the way they should be. And I kind of gave up but it’s not about to be in me. It’s Amazing what a transformation the businesses had. And I’ve had over the last few years of just being genuinely authentic and me. And you know, it’s, some people didn’t want to work with me because actually, you know, we shouldn’t work together. But it’s attracted some amazing people. And I’ve had so much fun. And it’s so easy. It’s so easy to do what I do when I get to just be me, like you say, and, you know, I’m a bit silly, and I have a lot of fun. I like wine. And I love sport. And in our I just did my thing. And again, we were saying before, before we were recording, the ability to do that to make money is such a privilege. And I just, I say grateful every day, and I know that sounds ridiculously cheesy. But every day I just get to sit there and go, Well, this is pretty damn cool. You know, it’s Sunday. It’s really crappy. So I don’t think that today’s Sunday, you still are busting a gut and it’s really hard. You’re
David Ralph [25:58]
on your own terms, aren’t you? It’s not something I was telling you to bust your girl. That’s the difference. I have some days I might work the 18 hour days, you know, slave labour. But at the end of it, I know that that’s 18 hours of my own personal rewards and I’m not just making somebody else rich.
Kemi Egan [26:14]
Exactly. And you know, you didn’t go to see Boston you got and then we you know, you’ll talk to someone else. It’s still in a job. And then he realised that actually, it like your day wasn’t that bad?
David Ralph [26:26]
Well, just before we started recording cam, he was telling me that for two weeks, she basically sat at home doing a few emails and watching the tennis and just watching Wimbledon. And that’s that way to operate your business, isn’t it? That is like a mini retirement, isn’t it? We see the Tim Ferriss logic and I totally buy into everything that Tim sort of talks about, and I’ve got the four hour workweek on my shelf and the ability to go. Now actually I want to do this. I want to watch the tennis. I will do bits and bobs but then I will work harder, you know later on. You don’t need to miss How do you you can patency once you start getting a cookie?
Kemi Egan [27:04]
Yeah, absolutely. And I think the thing that’s really changed over the last couple of years, it’s kind of made me do that is that I’ve set standards for the people around me. So you know, there’ll be this time I don’t know if you heard David in the early days, he kind of felt like he always had to pick up the phone, we’ve always had to instantly reply to email or someone wants you to they must be able to catch you immediately. So I can buy myself five minutes breathing time if I wanted to. Now I’m like, you know what, my phone’s off. If you can’t get hold of me, it’s not the end of the world. No one will die, things are fine, send me an email or reply to it when I get to it. And on the second of few years, and some training of you know, different connections and business partners and stuff to realise that just because they have something urgent doesn’t mean it’s my problem. And now, you know, now I have that freedom, but it’s like Brendan Bouchard says it doesn’t use your email inbox is nothing more than an organising system for other people’s problems.
David Ralph [27:56]
Yeah, that’s it. That is absolutely it. And if you know anything about me coming and I know My listeners, we also have an Oh god, he’s gonna say this again. But it’s true. I don’t have a phone in my life. I have no mobile phone, I have nothing. So when I turned my computer, that’s it. And I was at my desk maybe six years ago, and I remember somebody sitting beside me and can’t remember his name. But the boss came up and said, I emailed you last night, and the guy looked at him and went, right. And he said, You haven’t responded? And he went, well, when did you email me and he went at 10 o’clock last night, and he went, well, I’m not effing Barack Obama. So I’m not going to get me at 24 seven. And I thought, That’s absolutely right. He wanted you to respond, because he’s dealing with something I Brendan says, but if it’s not in your time, so I only look at my emails every two days. And I look at it and I spend maybe an hour bashing out of them. And it’s all done and dusted because you don’t need to be back connected to you and the best way of doing it is not being connected, having playtime being able to The breathing space when you can just sort of sit back and think, what do I fancy doing? What can I add value to the business? And if you’re constantly bashing on these emails all the time, it’s not gonna happen, is it? You’re making me ranty me, but it’s not gonna happen.
Kemi Egan [29:14]
He was a great way to make you feel like you’ve been busy, but you’re doing nothing. You know, you’re not getting anywhere. You’re not driving the business forward. You’re just being busy for the sake of being busy. And you’ll be amazed what happens if you just don’t reply to emails, just don’t reply. Nothing bad will happen. If on the off chance or something urgent, those people will email you again and say, Hey, busy, but could you have a quick look at this below and let me know your thoughts. Most people won’t reply, or they won’t chase you because they didn’t need you. Anyway, they’re also been busy for the sake of being busy.
David Ralph [29:48]
I used to delete them all. When I came back from holiday. I used to come back from holiday and there was like 600 emails or something, you know, and I never used to look at them for three days. And anybody who wanted me and had sent some big To me would come up and go, Oh, I sent you an email when you on holiday. Oh, tell me about it. And anybody else that didn’t come up to me, I used to delete the lot. And it made no difference at all. Absolutely made no difference at all. Because that moment of time is the full process. Somebody goes, Oh, I must do that and email them. And my world’s worst. I don’t know if you bad this is when you go over to someone. This happens in corporate land all the time. You go over to somebody and you tell them and they go, Oh, could you send me an email about that? No, I’ve just told you. I’m not gonna write your notes for you. You remember it, but they do.
Kemi Egan [30:35]
They do. And I was I was actually coaching someone last week, I think it was who is in a in a kind of a fairly high powered role. And he was saying that he just gets these kind of those things. Can you check this for me or I know we talked about this, but what did we say? So I told him to add up the amount of time he spent in a week doing all of this stuff that other people sent him and he didn’t came to Like absurd like 22 hours certain right? Take that to your boss to the you know, not your kind of line manager the person think they’re important but the person that actually pays you take them that and say each week these emails are costing you this much money you’re paying me you know whatever it was 20 Grand 30 grand for 20 hours to reply to this nonsense because these people can’t be bothered to either remember it themselves or look it up? Do you want me to keep replying to this? Or do you want me to work on your business and in instance his boss for him when they just forget it all they can all look at themselves. So we had the blessing of his the person that pays his bill was just the limos and from then on he went to be you know, for the last week has been massively more productive is you know, sales quatre is caught up, etc, etc. So you know, try that if you’re if you’re at home and it’s driving you crazy try and get into boss I mean that look, I’m wasting my reply to this email because people are lazy and they can often look at it themselves or write notes and we talked about it, you know, We couldn’t say much more value to your company. Okay, can you box on board with it as well?
David Ralph [32:04]
This is brilliant. I wasn’t expecting to talk about this, but we are sharing the gold. Something else I do. This is one of my tips is in this platform, I get a lot of people go, David, I need to speak to you. Can I connect on Skype? And when I first started doing it, I used to say, Yeah, no problem at all. I’ll give you 20 minutes. And it was 20 minutes of a sales pitch. They used to just come along. So now I just send an email back to them saying, Yeah, if you can put it on point exactly what you want to speak to me about. And then we will connect so I know what we’re going to talk about. And as soon as I do that, I never get one response back. I’ve never once had an email come back bullet pointing what they needed to talk to me about, man, that’s amazing in it.
Kemi Egan [32:44]
Oh, I know. I love those. They don’t be crazy. I’m like, you know what, what if my mom can get five minutes on the phone with me today, so
Kemi Egan [32:53]
I love doing that. And there’s another great example. So at the moment, we’re looking at development projects. I’m going to I’m going to do a grant and David’s apologies. Looking at this big development projects now lady bought it to us. So she found this, this development and the people that are going to pay for it to be developed, pulled out at the last minute for whatever reason. So she came to us and said, You know, I need people to fund it. Are you interested, we put in a whole heap of work to this, you know, got our team and producing projections and the idea that two days from the very beginning, I was very clear on what our terms were and how we did it. And then we got to the end of this, we’re about to kind of exchange contracts and move forward. said, Oh, you know, actually, I don’t know those terms. I want to go on this. And then what she doesn’t realise about me is I you know, that’s not happening. I’ll be 100% fair, I’m gonna be hundred percent honest. But you don’t get to mess me around. So anyways, at night, we’re not doing it, you know, these terms on those have said fine, I’ll get something else. Two days later, I had 545 voicemails and three miles to Texas. I’m going to space of 10 minutes. You know, I can’t get anyone else to do this. I’m about to lose the deal. So I said, Can you send me an email and bullet point exactly what you said, bullet point what you’d like me to do and what turns you’d like it done on my reply. And then yesterday came back to me again the same kind of panic deals about to go out the window, I really need to speak with you spy forward at the same email I didn’t even bother to write it afforded the same email, the same thing and still nothing. So this is a person that wants bow. What’s from our from our joint venture partners per round $2 million. And even she can’t be bothered to send bullet point emails. It’s amazing.
David Ralph [34:48]
It’s not amazing at all. It’s just the way the world isn’t it Islam Islam is like a brain blister that has to burst in their head and it flies in our direction and we just brought it back and you do you end up Having a core business, but you aren’t doing the valuable stuff you’re doing at 20. And that’s it. And once you do it at 20, you really can, you know, just build income upon income upon income, because you’re doing the core functions that tap into your superpower. And you’re keeping away from other people’s agendas, and you’re not working on their timescales. And I’ve got a bloke called Tim Connolly, who’s been on the show, and he’s brilliant. And he is a coach, business coach. He’s a strategist, blah, blah, blah, he does all these things. And he actually says to his clients before he takes them on, if you want to work with me, you’ve got to get all your stuff done before July because I’m vent disappearing for three months, and you won’t get in contact with me. And I’m not responding to emails. That is my standard. And people go Oh, yeah, okay, I want to work with you and I sold out and he does everything and then it sort of July he goes both, he turns everything off and he clears off for three months. When he comes back. He starts again Because he set his standards out, and he’s not playing to other people’s roles of what should be happening. He’s, he’s, he’s got a lovely life. He whizzes around on his motorbike, and he goes and sees different countries and stuff. And he used to sort of take his laptop and do it into cafes in Shanghai and stuff and trying to find Wi Fi connection everywhere. But now he just leaves it behind. He says this, these are the rules and you go with it or not. And the people that do are he’s cool clients. It’s brilliant in it.
Kemi Egan [36:26]
That’s amazing. And it wants me as well. Lewis house has the podcast, the school of greatness.
Yeah, that’s right. Yeah.
Kemi Egan [36:34]
He’s got on his website. If you click the contact me button, there’s something like five laws I think he’s got and it’s really, you know, it’s really pretty straightforward. He’s like, you know, if you want me there’s a lot of people who want my attention. So speak from the heart. Be honest, I think this little one and then it’s, you know, I’d love to go on every podcast but I’m con and I’m a bit busy. So if in the top 300 on iTunes in a category or Is please feel free to buzz me an email, you know, and they’re just it’s just these five laws and they’re really, really simple. And the thing that I love about that and but everyone’s sitting there platform and saying, you know what I’m not been our plan or timetable is it you’ve said what makes it a win for you. You know, I’m a huge fan of Win win in business actually win win, win, win for me win win for the people we serve. And Lewis in that instance, are gone. This is how I like to win. So he’s told you how to get his attention. So all you have to do is fit your win around that. And you You’re always guaranteed to get his attention and get what you want out of it. You just have to follow a process. And I I just wish more people would look at it that way rather than thinking oh, you know, they’re superior. They’re this they’re that it’s, you know what, that’s what he wants out of his life. Give back to him, and you’re almost guaranteed to get whatever you want back. It’s just pretty cool. It’s good,
David Ralph [37:57]
isn’t it? It is good and is social Simple and that’s the beauty of it. And normally I play maybe two motivational speeches. But I think we’ve been pretty motivational anyway on this show. So I’m going to play one now, which is going to sort of take us through to the next stage. But this is really sort of ties in about what we’ve been talking about getting it right, knowing what your structure is not getting sidetracked. This is Oprah.
Oprah Winfrey [38:21]
The way through the challenge is to get still and ask yourself, what is the next right move? not think about, Oh, I got all of this stuff. What is the next right move? And then from that space, make the next right move, and the next right move, and not to be overwhelmed by it? Because you know, your life is bigger than that one moment. You know, you’re not defined by what somebody says, is a failure for you. Because failure is just there to point you in a different direction.
David Ralph [38:52]
Do you see your life as bad but you can’t buy Oh, you’re just gonna move on to bigger and better dreams.
Kemi Egan [39:01]
Recently, yes, but that’s been a huge kind of part of my, my journey, I think in my growing into this whole as been seeing that, you know, like I said it did. My business partner, for example, Laura, she has always had this view that things will be right. Be like, don’t worry about it, it’ll work out and I never had it. I just didn’t have that I didn’t get self belief or belief in the universe. I didn’t have it. But yeah, I’ve I think I’m there. I think it’s something that I’ll have to work on for a few years yet. It’s not quite natural it think yeah. Yeah, I think I’m, I think I’m on the path. I think I know what my, what I’m here to do. And that’s hugely powerful. I know what difference I’m here to make. And so I think I have to do I’m not even sure it’s up to me anymore.
David Ralph [39:52]
Yeah, you’re like a twig on the mighty mighty stream of life, aren’t you, as I always say, and you’re just being sort of pulled where it has to Go. And sometimes you get buffeted around and you hit a few rocks and stuff. But naturally the cabin will take you past it. If you allow yourself to sort of go with the flow, let it go, as I say,
Kemi Egan [40:12]
Yeah, absolutely. And I think as well, you know, from having not a great start up from losing people like care about, it gives you this kind of still inside, which says, You know what, today might not be my best day ever, but it sure as hell is not the worst day. And whenever you have these knocks, and these bumps and things don’t quite go to plan, if you can just keep in your mind that this is not catastrophic. And this is not the end of the world. It gives you a little bit of perspective, I think entrepreneurs tend to lose because we get so involved and so emotional about our projects.
David Ralph [40:44]
Now, as I was talking about what at the beginning, I’ve got a platform called dream starters Academy and is it there’s a sort of image on there, which I quite like and there’s a tick off list as well. So I’m going to ask you to tick off list that we’re developing within this platform, whether you’ve achieved it yourself. So Whatever the image is, is sometimes on the way to a dream you get lost and find a better one is the dream that you’re on now a lot bigger than you started with, do you actually buy into those words? But yeah, I started on this path. But now Wow, I think I’m on the real path that was like the little path. And now this is the big one.
Kemi Egan [41:19]
Yeah, hundred percent. I think to start with, it was about, you know, making ends meet for me, you know, maybe being able to help my family a little bit. It was quite insular, and maybe a bit selfish. And now now it’s much, much bigger than that actually has very little to do with me.
David Ralph [41:34]
And doesn’t excite you, but it’s, it’s bigger, but you’re just once again, your least little tweak floating along, but you’re creating something global, powerful and quite frankly, marvellous.
Kemi Egan [41:47]
Yes, hugely exciting. It is, um, it’s a it’s a responsibility. I think, you know, I think I’ve obviously been given this opportunity to change thousands of lives and help other people and you know, the day’s work. I just copy both it today. It’s that responsibility that makes me do it. Because, you know, it’s because people wrote books and people taught things that I’m here you know, Brian Tracy or some of the other people have changed my life hadn’t bothered then you know, I still be in the whole world was so it’s a responsibility but it’s fun I’m really excited by and you know I there’s nothing better nothing comes close to making me as happy as emails and letters to people say you know thank you for what you’ve done or because if you want I believe I can do it or whatever else.
David Ralph [42:34]
I believe I can fly that’s a song isn’t it? That’s what we should. We should be singing all day because that that is it once you believe and don’t stand on the edge of buildings and believe that you can fly because that’s just mental. But do just believe that the sky’s the limit and whatever you want to do, it’s going to take you a while but you can get there and I totally believe that. I believe that somebody could be sitting in an office cubicle wanting to go to space and if I focused in on it long enough I could go to space Simple as that right so this is my checklist on my on my platform and I want to just see whether you you’ve taken these off because what we do we teach teach how to build a business around the hours you choose to work so this is point one Kimmy Egan create a business that works while you sleep. Have you done that?
Kemi Egan [43:27]
David Ralph [43:28]
Develop a service business. That is a joy every day.
Kemi Egan [43:37]
Haha, I do have tick
David Ralph [43:39]
now you can either say yes or no.
Kemi Egan [43:43]
David Ralph [43:45]
but your own boss and take total control of your destiny in life.
Kemi Egan [43:49]
David Ralph [43:50]
achieve a higher level of personal joy and happiness. Yeah, take time off when you want Campbell Well, how long did you take off before you get twitchy?
Kemi Egan [44:07]
Not very long, I’m terrible. probably
Kemi Egan [44:14]
four or five days,
David Ralph [44:16]
because I went to the pub the other night on a Friday and I got on the train and I travelled over to meet some old friends. And I was there. And as I walked into the pub, I had this feeling that I was wasting time. And I had one point and travelled home. And it was just lunacy. And it was so bad, but I should this weekend be travelling down to Brighton for a weekend to see one of my old mates who lives down there and I’ve cancelled that as well, because I just felt that it was it was wasting time. I don’t want to take the time off. Even though I’ve got the ability to take the time off. And that seems to be another battle I need to go through when you find your thing. It’s becomes play becomes enjoyable, it becomes something to channel your efforts into an even bolder You can walk away from it, you don’t do you you just keep on chipping away chipping away because it’s all your own rewards.
Kemi Egan [45:06]
Exactly. And that’s the sum. I’m reading the moment the entrepreneurs solution by Mel Abraham. Tell us about it. It was released any couple of months ago is Brendan Bouchard, mentor The guy is. And he’s written this book that was kind of written as a guide to his son, how he thought he should kind of live his life and it’s about entrepreneurs. But there’s a really great paragraph in it where he just says, you know, there are two struggles entrepreneurs have one is the struggle to create business and money and pleasure. And the other is the struggle to know how to do that while you know supporting your family the way you need to well, being friend you should be well, you know, being the children you should be. So you don’t end up with all of this wealth in this great business, but actually no friends or family around you because you’ve been so insular and enjoying what you’re doing, you’ve you’ve abused or disregarded these relationships. And that’s the I thought that was a huge moment. And I kind of read it in and stopped for a few minutes and thought, I think I’m probably the wrong side of that at the moment. You know, I love what I do, which is amazing, but it means I could live in this office and never leave. And actually, you know, people need something else for me, my family need me, my unite needs me, my friends need me.
Kemi Egan [46:24]
And you know, I need to figure out I need me.
David Ralph [46:29]
I need to start drinking at half past nine in the morning and your lady for me, I’ve already said that.
Kemi Egan [46:36]
It’s been known.
David Ralph [46:38]
We’ve all been there, we’ve all been, but because you’re focused in on that you’re going to achieve it on you when you don’t realise that’s the key thing that I know time and time again. When I had these moments, like when I was in that pub, and I drank that beer and I thought, No, I’m just gonna go home. I now know that I’ve got an issue. I’ve got an issue that the balance isn’t right I’m too passionate about what I’m creating. And I’m not passionate enough about just sitting there relaxing. And if you don’t relax, man something’s gonna suffer isn’t it you’ve got to have those you know Tim Conley as we say he’s got it right he’s got to about it right by having three months off so when he comes back, he’s absolutely ready to go. And he goes for it for three months works helfen lever and Ben takes time off again we we charge our mobile phones we charge our cars, but we don’t charge them and bodies do we
Kemi Egan [47:29]
know exactly and I think you know, we need to recognise that important that actually that restaurant is working. It’s allowing your brain to move things over. It’s letting your frontal cortex it is processing stuff. And I don’t know if you do but I get my best ideas when I’m resting off and I’m often the the supermarket or doing whatever I’m doing so actually that time is just as important as work time. We just need to prioritise it is that I am
David Ralph [47:53]
classic shower person. I have a shower or driving I used to drive around with the radio on all the time. or music or something. But more often than not, now I just drive with nothing. And I just kind of go into my thoughts. And there are times when I will drive somewhere and think, Oh my god, I don’t even remember going over that roundabout did I stop? They don’t. But when I come to that idea, it’s because I’ve allowed my brain just to do it spring. And I’m allowing that computer to operate at optimum speed, because I’m not putting anything else into it. He’s just kind of doing it stuff. And you do you have complete whammies. And as Oprah says, There’s times when you think I don’t know how to do this, oh, it’s never gonna work. Oh, and when you just kind of relax and let it go more often than not the solution comes to you. And you kind of think, Oh, yeah, and I had one just before I started recording this morning. And I thought, Wow, that is so simple. Why didn’t I think about it? And the reason I didn’t think about it, because I wasn’t giving myself a chance to think about it. And that’s the end of the story.
Kemi Egan [48:55]
Exactly. And I love that thing where, you know, it’s like true, isn’t it? We think that we need to see the end of We’re over the end of the journey and we don’t, we just need to see the next hundred metres up the road. And then we’ll get there and we’ll make the next decision and it’ll get us the next part of the journey. Just keep, keep doing the right things, keep making the right decisions, or the best decision you can at that point, and keep going forward. And you’ll get there.
David Ralph [49:16]
Absolutely. And that ties in nicely to the theme of the whole show. And it’s worth it. Steve Jobs said back in 2005. And it’s a kind of different approach to the Oprah speech, but it’s so powerful and that’s why the show became Join Up Dots. This is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [49:32]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college, but it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life karma, whatever, because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the country confidence to follow your heart Even when it leads you off the well worn path and that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [50:07]
So Oprah’s kind of saying you build your dots going forward just do the next right thing and then assess you don’t know if it’s going to be the right thing but just assess as you’re going through Steve Jobs kind of says just go with faith trust whatever and then look back over your shoulder and you can see that those dots are joining up to a hugely powerful Where was your big dot always love asking that question but in your life, when did the curve really started to pull it all together for you and move you to where you are now?
Kemi Egan [50:42]
I think it would have been a few years ago so when we had the beginning of the portfolio, you know, financially things were better. At but I was actually kind of snowed under then I was busy being a landlord in, you know, fixing light bulbs or dealing with tenants and the other stuff that goes with it. And I kind of found myself thinking, Okay, I’ve got an income, but actually still no time, I still didn’t enjoy it. So I’m going to being a bit better off, nothing’s really changed. And then it occurred to me or someone said, you know, why don’t you systemize this, get a get a team in and manage it. And I thought, well, you know, if I have this manager in then it takes maybe 15% of our rent roll or you know, whatever my income takes a hit, then we’ll just build a portfolio a bit bigger than Okay, I’ll kitty that. But if I do that, then you know what happens? What do I do my time? And that was I think the moment because they said, Well, you know, whatever you want, you can then spend your time building this shelter for bits, especially buttons, you can spend it teaching other people what you’ve learned, you can spend it skiing, if that’s what floats your boat, it doesn’t really matter. The point is that you your then your freedom of time. And freedom time is is massive, isn’t it? As you know, when you You can choose what to do when to do it. The world is literally then your oyster, because the only thing holding you back is time. And that was then salted for me. And I realised that actually anything was possible.
David Ralph [52:13]
I’ve got a lady coming on the show, I’ve recorded it already. And I might have mentioned this already, because when she was saying it, I was I was thinking, wow, this is a great way of doing it. And she used to get virtual assistants to operate on her behalf. And she used to be paying them even if the work wasn’t there. And so she now negotiates with these videos, but they only jump into action when the money’s bare. So a client comes to her says, I need your help. She says, fine, give me the money. She keeps it and then gets the VA to do the work. And then it’s all profit is for profit. She doesn’t waste anything. And as she was saying this, I thought, Wow, that’s a way of doing it. You’re not spending any employment costs unless you’ve got the profits already. That’s brilliant.
Kemi Egan [52:57]
That is brilliant. I have some vas as well. They’re amazing.
Kemi Egan [53:01]
When people say, you know, I can’t afford star for a quarter for this, look outside of the economy you’re in. Because there is, you know, other economies out there in the world a far lower price than ours. And you can get some brilliant, brilliant, hugely talented people for tonight 20% of the price, you would have to pay him with none of the insurance or whatever other dramas that you have when you actually employ someone, and that your business is such a game changer. It’s amazing.
David Ralph [53:26]
Just before we send you on the Sermon on the mic, and we send you back in time, the question that popped up there was, how do you then decide the tasks to hand off because I had a VA, and I’ve still got money invested in this company because I kind of stopped them because I couldn’t think of what to give them. It was like, I could do it so quickly. But I couldn’t find the value. So I just kind of went with stop the clock and I just do it and then I decide what to come back to you with. How did you decide what you were going to hand over to the BA
Kemi Egan [53:56]
so it made these lists of bingo enjoyable So kind of typical my business and I’d like four different sheets of paper one for each business. And then on each piece of paper, I think I have three or four lists and it was like one something I enjoy doing things that I, you know, can’t do but I probably wasn’t great at things I was terrible at things I hated and anything that wasn’t in there things I enjoy doing just hand off. And it kind of you know, start with it takes some training. So, you know, I think you know, I could have started myself 10 times in this time, but then the reality is you spend that 20 minutes training then you never have to do it again. So I use Camtasia to record videos and training you know, we create bullet points and feedback so it’s Can I Can you please do this like this? They can go in they can watch a video to have any questions, Buzz me an email and come back to me. But they can do you know, they do everything for me now from creating show notes for the podcast to emailing some of the guests if I’m missing some information, to chasing up builders and plumbers. wherever else from management team to ordering some stock for our wholesale business, just
David Ralph [55:08]
scared to let them go and just do to stop. Did you do find your captain checking? Oh
Kemi Egan [55:15]
yeah, I was a nightmare for months. I just you know, they said, they’ll say Oh, Kevin, I sent that email today. So I’ve given to the sandbox and just
Kemi Egan [55:22]
Kemi Egan [55:24]
over the shoulder. And in the end, I you know, it’s like everything there are good Exner, bad a clever couple of people that weren’t quite doing what we needed. And we’re fortunate we were able to kind of move them off. And that’s the great thing with VA supposed employees if it’s not working, can I get rid of them. And then I created like Excel Excel spreadsheets. So they go in every day and they say I did this, I did this, I did this, I did this. And you know the statistics are, they’re awesome. Most of it you can check. To start with I did use a screen recording software. So they they mounted this thing onto their laptop. So when they’re working He recorded their screen and then I can watch it back in two minutes, it kind of condenses 12 hours to two minutes. So you can see if you know if they have been working for eight hours or whatever, with the guys that we’ve had long term now I don’t bother because we’ve got a mutual trust and that you know, that part of our business and part of our company. But yeah, again, it’s like everything he said standard, you monitor them in reward them and then not quite meeting it, give them a few chances, and then, you know, move them on, because they’re not right for you. But yeah, it was a nightmare to start with.
David Ralph [56:29]
I think that is the title of the whole show your lady that sets the standard on you, you you set your own personal standard, you set the expectation standard. And when you get it right, it allows breathing space and it allows bringing space and that brings the value to you, doesn’t it?
Kemi Egan [56:45]
Yeah, that’s why I try to do what you know, trying to I try to kind of lead the way I try to set the standard and I try to help as many people in and bring them with me as I can. Perfect.
David Ralph [56:56]
Well, I’m going to set the standard because I do this on every show. So you You knew it was going to happen. But this is the part that we call the Sermon on the mic when I send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the uncanny, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give? Well, we’re going to find out because I’m going to play the theme tune. And when it fades, you’re up. This is the Sermon on the mic.
Here we go with the best bit of the show.
Kemi Egan [57:42]
So I think I would get back to myself about 12 1213. So I was I’m quite tall and just under six foot tall, and I hit six foot quite. So I’ve been gangly of my life trying to get some coordination of my limbs. And I just remember looking around at different people, you know, people at school teachers, people around me, who all seem to be, you know, pretty, or, you know, their family had money or you know, they were the perfect kind of Barbie doll figure or they seem to have it all together. And I saw I’ve never gonna get I’m never gonna be that’s because I’m never gonna feel feel that I’m doing what I should be doing. And fee is I was really worried about that. And you know, I didn’t feel attractive and I didn’t feel successful by anybody, blah. And if I came back to myself that age to say, you know what, almost like an ugly duckling thing. Actually, very little comes from, you know, when you’re when you’re 12 or 13. You haven’t set your standard for life. No one has a clue what they’re doing. You’re all blabbing it and try to make it up as you go along. But the reality is, be a good person, Be true to yourself, be authentic and everything else will follow. And I wish I’d learned A lot younger, to be authentic to be to stand in my truth, to be honest with who I am and what I am. And successful to come a lot quicker I think. And equally, you know, I’m, I think I grew up to be a not bad looking person. So I think it all came together.
David Ralph [59:17]
I think you’re more than not bad. I think you’re pretty good. There you go. That’s the biggest compliment I’ve ever given any guest.
Kemi Egan [59:23]
David Ralph [59:25]
Pretty good. And I say it on every show. I’ll be honest with you. How can our audience connect with you? Me?
Kemi Egan [59:32]
Yeah, don’t ever say Hi, I’m on Twitter, at Kimmy Egan.
Unknown Speaker [59:38]
Saving on Facebook. I think it’s comedian freedom academies. And then on our website, we’re at WWW dot freedom academies.com. We’ve got something like a free training programme and all sorts of jazz going on there.
David Ralph [59:51]
We’ll have all the links on the show notes. Kimmy, thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining those dots and please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do We believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Kemi Egan. Thank you so much.
Kemi Egan [1:00:08]
Thank you, David.
David Ralph [1:00:11]
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