Doc Kennedy Joins Us On The Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast
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Introducing Doc Kennedy
Doc Kennedy is my guest today on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots free podcast interview.
He is a man who has worked tirelessly to achieve his dream in life
And as we know the dream is always hard to achieve, but sometimes it can be made so much harder by the people that you are surrounding yourself with.
Sometimes your path is hidden from you by the actions and words of others, and no matter how much you try to get going, they will place obstacles in your way.
Which is certainly true with today’s guest, who after a terrible time passing through the education system, stumbled through over 30 jobs, looking for the thing that lights him up.
He knew he wanted to be in entertainment in some way through his whole life, but was always told that it could never happen.
He vividly remembers telling his mom that he wanted to be an actor and being told to “get real.”
He recalls being told by a school councillor that he should go to work at the local mill cause that was all he would ever amount to.
He was directed by not what he thought was possible, but what others were willing to believe.
How The Dots Joined Up For Doc
He needed the support of others, who could help his dreams come true.
The kind of people that would allow the shoots of his dreams to start growing.
And he found those people, and their positive words started showing the path.
As he says “They were telling me I could do something bigger, that I was someone.
They were true friends to me. I learned I could work for myself. They kept asking “what’s your dream?” I thought ‘well maybe I could make a movie if I had $1 million dollars.’
I had no clue how movies were made! I just wanted to make one. – Age 26 I started studying stand-up comedy thinking maybe this was a way to get a movie made.”
So has he made his dream come true, by delivering a movie to the world?
Has he found the path, that he knows is truly his?
Well let’s find out, as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots, with the one and only Mr. Doc Kennedy
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Doc Kennedy such as:
How his dream remained on a life support system for many, many years, and why he could never turn off the power and let it go.
Why he sees his life as seasons…work time and rest time, and the reason why he is careful to work both into his schedule.
How he took on his first major project without a clue that he could pull it off, but still gave it a go.
Why he would rather be doing what he is doing and scrapping by, than working on a job that he doesn’t want to do.
How he shares his belief that he will one day win an Oscar, and I believe totally that he has this in him to achieve
How To Connect With Doc Kennedy
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Full Transcription Of Doc Kennedy Interview
David Ralph [0:00]
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when we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling and Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK. David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:57]
Yes, hello, everybody. And it’s David Ralph coast is I’m actually gonna put up a video once we had another host board Iam special anniversary of the show, but I might do it again, I might keep you guessing what voice you’re going to get at the upper end of the of the line when the show is recorded. And it’s going to be a great show today because it’s one of those shows where actually I’ve been chatting to the guy for about 15 minutes and actually forgot I was supposed to be recording a show. So we we’ve connected and it’s going to be quiet, ranting in places I imagine we’re going to touch on films because he loves films, but they never goes to see them which is a bit bizarre, but we will touch on that as well. And he is a man who quite simply has worked tirelessly to achieve his dream in life. And as we know the dream is always hard to achieve. But sometimes it can be made so much harder by the people that you’re surrounding yourself with. Sometimes your path is hidden from you by the actions and words of others and no matter how much you try to get going. There place obstacles in your way. Which is certainly true with today’s guest, who after a terrible time passing through the education system stumbled through over 30 jobs looking for the thing that lights him up. He knew he wanted to be in entertainment in some way for his whole life, but was always told that it could never happen. He vividly remembers telling his mom but he wanted to be an actor, and being told, get real. Now, it also records being told by a school counsellor that you should go to work at a local mill, because that was all he would ever amount to. He was directed by not what he thought was possible, but what others were willing to believe. Now he needed the support of others who could help his dreams come true the kind of people that would allow the shoots of these dreams to start growing and he found those people and their positive words started showing but power as he says, they were telling me I could do something bigger but I was someone by with true friends to me. I learned I could work for myself by kept on asking, what’s your dream? I thought, well, maybe I could make a movie. If I had $1 million, I’d no clue how movies were made. I just wanted to make one. So at age 26, I started studying stand up comedy thinking, maybe this was a way to get a movie made. So has he made his dream come true by delivering a movie to the world? Has he found the path that he knows is truly he’s? Well, let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Mr. Doc Kennedy. How are you, Doc?
Doc Kennedy [3:26]
I am doing great, David. I am thrilled to be on the show. This means a lot to me. I listen to it all the time. So thank you very much.
David Ralph [3:34]
It’s lovely to have you on because you’re more you’re more than a guest. Now you are a friend, and you’re a friend but I should have asked this before but what is doc short for? Is it short for anything? Is it because you look like one of the seven dwarves and where did it come from?
Doc Kennedy [3:50]
Well, if you’re gonna do that, it’d probably be grumpy.
That came from my great grandpa. My legal name means doctor and my great grandpa, he wanted me to make a lot of money. And he wanted me to be a doctor. And so that’s sort of where that came from.
David Ralph [4:07]
So is your proper name is it?
Doc Kennedy [4:10]
Well, I use it so. So what’s your, what’s your? I would call it, I would call it my, my stage name.
David Ralph [4:18]
So what’s your proper name? Then tell us?
Doc Kennedy [4:21]
We’re moving on David. What
David Ralph [4:24]
does it does he begin with a? No Does he begin with? I’ll just keep on going on a trip. Okay. I’m not gonna get you to spill the beans on that or where we’ll find out afterwards, and then I’ll share it on the next episode. So you are living in Tacoma, which sounds like a kind of illness Actually, I’ve got a bad case of Tacoma, up in Washington, which is almost stumbling distance into Canada or looking on the map. Is it a place that is kind of more Canadian than American is it’s proud of his American boots. What would we If we went out for a day in Tacoma,
Doc Kennedy [5:03]
it’s a hodgepodge of everything. So you’re gonna find people from all walks of life, from all parts of the globe. To be honest with you, I really don’t see as many Canadians here as I did when I grew up, sort of in eastern Washington, closer to the border. And so we saw a lot of Canadians up there. I don’t see as many down here, but there’s just a great mix of everybody from every walk of life here.
David Ralph [5:32]
Well, why is this thing about Canadians and Americans there is a kind of anti feeding isn’t now.
Doc Kennedy [5:39]
I wouldn’t say that. I don’t know. I think there was a little bit more where I grew up, just because they, you know, it was sort of like, oh, they’re coming down and they’re, you know, they’re bad drivers and all you know, all this stuff, but you know, whatever. I don’t know that. That really apply anymore. I don’t I don’t really feel that myself.
David Ralph [6:02]
So if we start getting into it, which is obviously what we want to do in Join Up Dots dd story, but I said at the beginning in the intro is quite harrowing in certain ways, but it’s very similar as well to the kind of upbringing that most people would have had been told by certain people that you can’t do that or being told that you’re not going to amount to much. When you look back on that, were you aware that their words were hitting home? Or did you just accept it as the gospel you were being told by adults, but certain things weren’t achievable? So hey, I’m not going to achieve them.
Doc Kennedy [6:40]
Well, I think if that was the case, I wouldn’t be here. So I, I didn’t want to buy in with it. But to a certain, certain degree, I did because, you know, 30 jobs. I mean, that shows that I wasn’t exactly jumping into what I really want to do. But, you know, it’s hard not to Take some of that as truth because you get told something can’t be done so many times. It’s hard not to just accept it. And so I did accept it to a certain degree. And I tell people that my dream was on life support, you know, and that really felt that way. But there, you know, there comes a time where maybe you can flip that around and things change. And, you know, I just loved the aspect of connecting the dots because when I look back on my life, I can definitely see how things were put in place to help me get to where my dreams that I feel were, were birthed into me
are becoming a reality.
David Ralph [7:37]
So what’s your what’s your earliest dot doc? Where if you look back in on the Join Up, Dots timeline, can you see one right back in the midst of time that actually links you to where you are now?
Doc Kennedy [7:50]
That’s a great question I would say is probably moving to Spokane. I moved to Spokane, Washington when I was about 25. Maybe 24 and before that I had nothing going for me. I’d been living in the town that I grew up in and I was originally born in Montana and we moved to Colville when I was in fifth grade. That kind of shook me up a little bit too Is it was a time in my life where, you know, I’m, I’m changing as a boy and experiencing some of the adolescent type stuff. So it was a kind of a tricky time to move. Anyway, from that point on, I just kind of, you know, felt downwards in especially how I viewed myself. So, come to, you know, age 2425, I moved to Spokane, I ended up being roommates with a guy that he was involved in network marketing, and got me involved. And these people have just been awesome in my life. I don’t do the network marketing, but they’re their friends of mine. And these People came in and started speaking life into me started telling me that I can do things, you know, and this wasn’t like an overnight switch, that everything was gonna change for me. But I started believing that maybe I could do something, you know, maybe I could do something different. That was where that idea of the million dollars came from. Because, you know, they wanted to find out what your dream is. And I’m like, Well, you know, what, if I can make a million dollars doing network marketing, maybe I could make a movie. So that was kind of where that that came from. But you know that I would say that that was the first big.so So
David Ralph [9:33]
what was the what was the belief in you but as you say, You kept your dream on life support, and didn’t just leave the dream behind. Because we see time and time again. People will say, when I was a child, I wanted to be x y Zed. And by don’t keep that on life support. They just kind of leave it as a childish dream. What might you keep that going?
Doc Kennedy [9:57]
Honestly, I don’t know. I I think Just even now, I can’t imagine anything else. It
there was no other options for me, David it was, it was gonna be this and it had to be right. And I really, I can’t explain it. But you know, it would have been easy to just go, okay, you know, go to work at the mill and have a family and that would have been great, really. But there was something inside of me there is something inside of me that says no, you got to take it another level and you got it. You just got to keep pushing and going for something different. And so I got no knock on anybody that’s doing a nine to five. You know, I’ve been there and I appreciate it for what it offers. It just wasn’t for me. And if I was going to try to make myself do that, I wasn’t going to be good for anyone around me. You know, I’ve been in relationships I’ve been engaged. And I could try to be that thing that would be more of the consistent provider probably but on the inside And it was gonna show on the outside, you know, I just couldn’t be as complete. As you know, I could be when I’m doing what I feel like I was called to do
David Ralph [11:11]
is really annoying. It’s beyond annoying, isn’t it when you’re going through your life wanting something, but you’re not really sure what it is, or maybe you do know what it is, but you just can’t quite achieve it. I used to be in corporate land for many years. And I used to look at people who just seem to be happy to come in and do paperwork or whatever and then go home. And I always used to think this could be more to life than this, you know, why are you so content with doing that? And I remember having afternoons thinking, I wish I could be like them. Why do I feel so unsettled? What’s it What’s wrong with me? Why can’t I just go this is why, you know, I go home, I get older and get my salary and it’s comfortable. Why did I want more? It’s annoying, isn’t it?
Doc Kennedy [12:00]
Yeah, yeah, and I relate to that, you know, I, I remember thinking, why can’t I just settle in, you know, and be as comfortable as everybody else is. But I think the truth is, there’s some unease with everyone because we all have a dream in our heart. And, you know, maybe for some people, you know, being a secretary or, you know, whatever you’re doing, maybe that is their dream. And but I think you can see that in the way that they act at work, if they truly enjoy what they do, or if they’re just trying to get by. And I didn’t want to be that guy, because that I wasn’t going to be a good employee, as long as I was doing something that I just was not called to be doing.
David Ralph [12:41]
I do think though, Doc, does that from my perspective, and I’m on the computer built into not the computer, the computer into London, so I see people walking down to the station to get a train and walking back. And I used to be, I used to be them. I’d get on the train. I’d go to work. Get on the Round go to the office do to do. Now I look at them. And I don’t think there’s many that are happy. I bet if I took a canvas of opinion of people getting off, what did you spend the day doing? Is that your dream? Is that really making you happy? I wouldn’t find many that actually say yes. Yeah, I absolutely love it. Now, there are some people that adore what they do, which is brilliant and fantastic. And even if you’re doing a job, which other people might look at and think, Oh, I’m not really keen on that. I’m still great. If you’re happy, be, you know, be glad you’re happy. But the the general population, I don’t think there’s many people that are happy in their law.
Doc Kennedy [13:45]
Well, it depends too. There’s different scenarios, you know, there’s life challenges that come up, you know, I know some people work because they’re providing for their kids are providing for their family, you know, disabled family members. There’s different things that come up that we have to maybe take a detour on our dream for a little bit. And maybe we can pursue it at a different time, a later time. So I don’t I try not to get too hard on people, but at the same time, if you’re choosing the, whatever you’re doing, and you know, you could be doing something else. I don’t want to hear any complaining. Because usually it comes down to fear, and having that fear of stepping out and trying something else. You know, we’re all guilty of hearing the naysayers and listening in and accepting that as truth. And it’s up to us if we’re gonna choose to just sort of buck that and go a different route.
David Ralph [14:41]
So So sort of get a picture of what you do on a day to day basis so that the listeners out there know how close you are to the dream. So if I said to you, yes or no, have you got the dream? What would you say?
Doc Kennedy [14:57]
I would say no, but I’m a lot closer than I was, you know, three years ago, four years ago, and I’m getting closer every day, but what I do now I do video production as a freelance video producer. So I’ll do a lot of like online commercial type stuff. And I’ll go out and make local little videos to help companies with their homepage and whatnot. I’ll shoot good event. So I am doing video work, which is fantastic. And I also have that entrepreneurial spirit so I’m working for myself which I absolutely love. But am I close to what I really want to be at? Not really, to be honest with you, David, my, my original dream. All my all my childhood was to be an actor. And that little spark hasn’t died at all. So I’m really trying to push that end as well. Trying to connect more with with getting small parts and doing more acting and getting better on the whole end, because the better I get as an actor, it also helps me be a better director. So every every day, I’m trying to learn something new, trying to get out there. And you know, I work from home. So it is a little easy to get lazy, but I I just plough through and I did two projects this week, that Ola. They’ll be coming out soon. And so that helps pay the bills.
David Ralph [16:33]
So, so easy confidence with you, Doc, is it? Is it competence that you’re building towards the big thing because I saw you You were kind enough to send me I think one of your first I would say it’s a film it must have been about 20 minutes long. And it was about a lady who was sort of lured gradually into kind of sexual sex trafficking Carnaby. And it was it wasn’t like a Start, it was a proper programme. And I remember sort of responding to you saying, you should be really proud of this. This was something that was, you know, if you turned on the television, and it was very rare, you wouldn’t think somebody had just made this as like a home project. It was class.
Doc Kennedy [17:16]
I appreciate that. That was actually my first film. So I really do appreciate that. And that was the best school I could have had was just, I had been working with other people I, I worked at and volunteered at the church I’m part of, and so I was doing a lot of work with them. They didn’t have time to take this one on and said, Hey, do you want to do this? And I said, Sure, I had no clue what I was doing. So I just did things that made sense to me. And we had a very short time period. We put that story together and made the whole film in less than a month. So I really appreciate you saying that. But you know, I since then, I really haven’t done a lot Have work in that way, it’s been more of stuff to try to pay the bills. So I’m, I’m venturing out more, trying to network better. And really, for me, I take pride in trying to be a good connector as well. So helping other people find, you know, different connections that will help them succeed.
David Ralph [18:20]
But but the golden what you said there and I really want to emphasise this to the listeners was, you didn’t have a clue what you were doing. And it was the first one and you you kind of made it up as you went along. But it came out great. And that’s a big mindset, isn’t it? That you go, Yeah, I do this and then kind of work it out afterwards, instead of thinking, oh my god, I don’t know how to do this. I’ve never done this before. I’m gonna look rubbish. You kind of went with it and was very pleased with how it all turned out. Is that a mindset that you kind of naturally had? Work it out as you go along? Or is that something that you knew you needed to be? able to do that project? Yeah.
Doc Kennedy [19:00]
Yeah, I had no choice. So it was either you’re gonna do it and and just do it the best that you can. Or you’re gonna, you know, you’re just not gonna do it. So I wanted to do it, it was gonna play at a local festival downtown. So when it was complete, I had my friend come down with me and we saw it on somewhat of a big screen. That was cool. Well, you know that that really meant a lot to me. And so it was just taking the chance, you know, getting out there and getting out of my comfort zone and taking the opportunity that was given to me and running with it.
David Ralph [19:38]
Because Richard Branson says, screw it, let’s do it. And I talk about this a lot because I do think it’s, it’s fundamental, the people changing direction in their life. Instead of trying to join up your dots. You basically just grab as many dots as you can and try to sort of make sense of it until they start connecting themselves. And he’s very much have you given an opportunity, even if he doesn’t know how to do it, which more often than not, he doesn’t. He finds people that does and then puts it together and with his promotional, kind of panache, but he has he’s big personality, he brings it to the fore. But more often than not, he doesn’t have a clue how to do these things. But he just knows it’s a great opportunity. And there is a story about he gave some chap an opportunity to print t shirts, and the chat went, yeah, I can do that. And had never printed a T shirt and he’s live and basically had three days to turn around in order for Richard Branson and did it and basically went like a madman. And I think we can all do that. Oh, can’t wait, if, if all the bills were no, not even if the bills were paid. If suddenly you lost your job, and you had to pay the bills, you would find a way of paying the bills. You would just go out and do anything and you would hustle like man And even if you didn’t like it, you would do it to pay the bills. But when we are changing our life, under our own terms, we allow the dots to try to be perfect. We try to join up everything before it occurs. And unfortunately, that doesn’t happen and you get trapped in your comfort zone.
Doc Kennedy [21:21]
Yeah, I totally agree. I, I’m in a position right now where I’m going to be in Europe for about three weeks, in the end of August and into September. So I have been doing that extra push to make sure that everything’s tidy on the front end and the back end while I’m gone. And I am treating it like, like you said, that I have to make this happen, or I have to at least try. And so I’ve been picking up a lot, a lot of work that maybe I wouldn’t have done before. But I’m just saying yes to everything right now because I want to make sure that everything’s tidy financially. For that scratch. Now, if you’re in a position where I, you know, one of my least favourite things is to hear people say jobs are saved. That’s the biggest crock. I mean, all it takes is one person at the top to make one mistake and you’re you’re all toast. So that that doesn’t make sense. Buying in with that doesn’t make sense. When you have the control, and you’re the one that could make that mistake, it’s a lot different. You know, it’s a, you take different sort of pride with it too. So you’re
David Ralph [22:36]
out Yeah, you do you have the power.
Unknown Speaker [22:39]
David Ralph [22:41]
I have the power and if you woke up every morning to fat, I think you you you would feel sort of energetic. I certainly when I left my career and started doing this, the first probably three or four months were party time. Really. I didn’t You know what I was doing? I was making up as I go along. And when it got very, very tough, really tough, like, Oh my God, I’ve made a mistake. And even now we’re at Episode 417. When I released Episode 400, I was having a real bad time. And the fortunate thing with being a podcaster is when you’re having a bad time, you can express your feelings and emotions to the world and find support groups out there. And more often than not, you will have people that will come to you, and will support you at your your own time of need, so that you can sort of move on forward, but I still wouldn’t take it away. I still wouldn’t know go back to being an employee. I am totally 100% unemployable. The fact that afternoon, I did my work this morning and went off to see the Terminator with the kids just because I had time to do it. You couldn’t do that at work. Could you you couldn’t say Oh, sorry. I’m just going to go and see only for a couple of hours it was army. Oh, he’s it ma’am. A funny voice and sort of get away with it. You just couldn’t do it.
Doc Kennedy [24:01]
Yeah, exactly. I love the freedom. I have been working freelance for the last year, just over a year. And it’s been exactly what you said. It’s been ups and downs. It’s, I mean, there’s been literally nights where I had tears falling asleep because I didn’t know where the money for my rent was going to come from. But, you know, I, I’m a believer in God and totally believe that he’s come through the next morning in this scenario. The next morning, I had an email from someone saying that they needed work immediately. So it’s been an awesome ride, of just learning, learning the, you know, to take that chance to step out on your own. You know, I could get a job if I needed to, but I don’t have any of that my drive is to, to just be successful and to also help others succeed. And I think when you have that desire to help others succeed It’s only gonna take you further.
David Ralph [25:02]
But I’m going to tell you the words now that really bring us to the point when most people make that decision in their life to do something and move forward on their own terms. These are the words of Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey [25:14]
My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [25:41]
found online, no matter how many times I hear them their profound words.
Doc Kennedy [25:46]
Yeah, absolutely. And I’m with him. 100%, you might as well take a chance on something you want to do. You know, and I think there’s different scenarios for everyone. You know, if you’ve got a family you got to take care of, then you got to make that top priority. But, you know, you gotta, you gotta be yourself too. So might as well take a chance, you know, I’d rather I’d rather be doing what I’m doing now and have those times where I’m scraping by then have a steady nine to five that I’m just kind of soso with you know and and that doesn’t even mean that I, I’m unhappy. It just means that I’m not doing what I know I could be doing and probably should be doing.
David Ralph [26:27]
I think nowadays Oh doc and I will be harsh to the listeners because I think that even if you’re doing a nine to five job, even if you’ve got a family to support, you do not have to rock the boat at all. You can side hustle it you can side hustle bit until you get to a point when the decision is there to be made you either go for it or not. And as I always say with Join Up Dots, it’s not about being entrepreneurs. There’s some people out there would be terrible rubbish entrepreneurs, but what it is about making a decision to be happy. And if you are in a job that’s making you unhappy, no matter how much money you’re earning, it’s just not worth it. Get another job get two jobs. You know, I was reading about this guy, and we call them embarrassment over here, but you call them what garbage collectors Do you over there? Okay. Yeah. Is that right? Is that what the Americans call them? And there was this guy who was Yeah, garbage man. And you know, the bands that come along and they come and pick up your all your rubbish and I throw him in the back. There was a guy up in the City of London who was heavily overweight, he was earning a tonne of money, but he was so unhappy. And one of the things that he used to look at, funnily enough was out a bedroom window when the garbage men the rubbish men come along, he used to look at them and think there’s teamwork there bears, there’s kind of an enthusiasm there’s an energy one of them would be driving the other two would be running along by the side throwing the bags in. So he quit his job up in the City of London and people thought he was mad. And he got a job as a dustman as a garbage collector. And he went from being really fat, and unhealthy to like losing pounds and pounds and pounds because when he started, he used to walk behind the band, and then jump on every now and again, because he wasn’t fit enough, the white dropped off him. And he just became happier and happier and happier. Now, some people might have looked back on why you had a career up in the City of London. But what he has now is a simplicity of life. He has a healthy lifestyle, and he has sort of comrades, he had colleagues supporting him, but he never had before. So it doesn’t have to be kind of ego driven, does it? It just has to be right in your heart. And it doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks about what you’re doing. If it’s right in your heart, then then go for it. Just go for it and enjoy the process.
Doc Kennedy [28:55]
Yeah, I don’t think there’s anything I can add to that that’s spot on. You know, it’s a mean that that seems odd, you know, and I think a lot of people would probably think, Well, I better not do this because people around me are gonna think negatively about that, you know, they’re gonna say bad things about me. But this guy, you know, you just went for it anyway. And, you know, that’s what we got to do, we just got to go for it, put the blinders up and go for it.
David Ralph [29:21]
What I love about going for it, though, is you can do it so gradually as well, I’d like to at least 400 shows, as I say, and probably the first hundred, I sounded Uber competent, the second 200 a lot better. And the third, you know, into the next four or 500 shows, you get more confident by doing the task, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting more confident about your actual role in the world. You can find yourself taking a leap and then finding yourself in a comfort zone again, and I think that’s what I did with myself being tired. To the transparent, I was in a job that I could do very, very well very, very comfortably. So I took a leap to do this, and kind of got myself in a comfort zone again. And now I’m deliberately trying to push out of that to get bigger, take more risks. And the risks are only bad in your head. Once you start doing them. I quite enjoy it. But I do have sleepless nights thinking, Oh, this is most stupid thing I’ve ever done. But you grow, you grow, you grow, and it takes you into avenues that you couldn’t have dreamt. And more often than not, I’m very ranty tonight, Doc, you you’ve got me going on. But more often than not, those risks actually become the most enjoyable things you’ve ever done. They become the fun things because there’s a challenge. There’s a task, you’re having to use your grey matter to get things going. Do you look at it in your life, but actually the risks are the things that get you your juices going somehow.
Doc Kennedy [30:59]
Yeah, definitely. Do and kind of using your your thought of a side hustle. You know, that got me thinking about when I moved to Tacoma, I had the opportunity to finally learn what I wanted to learn all my life how to make, how to make motion picture. And so I had a job where I was working 30 hours a week, paying for my rent and food and everything I needed to. And then I was volunteering about 20 hours a week at the church I was part of because they had a production company. They had a production team. So I was able to go in and learn on my time, what I wanted to and and I just had a great time it was a win win. You know, they’re getting to train me and I still work with them. They get to train me into somebody that’s capable and well beyond capable member of the team. And then also I’m learning stuff that if I hadn’t taken that time, I wouldn’t be working And freelance right now. So it was totally worth it to take that extra time out of my my schedule, which I think that’s where you’re right, really, I was saying you know that you need to be careful, you know if you’re have a family and stuff, but you do have that extra time and I know that a lot of us waste that extra time. I’m totally guilty of that. So what are you going to invest in and build that into your dream?
David Ralph [32:25]
Because I don’t waste any time. And that’s one of my failings. I’ve realised that when I am resting, I feel like I should be doing something. And I’m actually trying to change that now to actually go. And a lot of my friends keep on saying to me, David, you’re pushing yourself too hard. You’re pushing yourself too hard, but I kind of love doing it, and I enjoy doing it. But then every now and again, you realise it’s taken over you somehow it’s taken control of your life and you’re not allowing yourself to just waste a bit of time because you can’t you can’t come constantly be on the go 24 seven no matter how productive you are, and talking about Branson again, I think he’s, he’s, he’s the sort of picture boys and he is poster boy of this, where he seems to spend half his time just doing stupid stuff that looks fun. But he must be on his game, he must be on his game and spend a lot of time working with the businesses and developing strategies and all that kind of stuff. He can’t just spend his time shooting around in speed boats in there. But of course, he does bear to recharge himself. But he does that as the promotion for virgin. So but we look at it as a healthy lifestyle and, and Isn’t it fun to be with them and what a great company and all that kind of stuff. It’s very clever how he can sort of maximise his rest time into promotion for his company as well.
Doc Kennedy [33:51]
When he does that. Now, if we would have seen him when he first started, you know, it would have been a totally different story where he was working a lot more than he is and he’s earning That. So I understand that there’s going to be seasons, when I’m doing a film or you know, doing a project, I’m going to have to hustle during that time, then I’ll have my rest period. Both of those are important. If I don’t use that rest time, I’m not gonna have the right attitude and the right energy to take on the next project. I value rest as much as I do work
David Ralph [34:27]
so deeply into the sort of mini retirements where you work really hard for a period of time, but then, you know, you blocked it off. But no matter if work comes to you, you’re gonna say no, it’s got to wait to the afterwards.
Doc Kennedy [34:41]
Well, even taking three weeks off to me is a long time. And I’ll be working during some of that stretch, but it’s it’s a long stretch for me. And then I’m planning two weeks at Christmas to go visit family. So I sort of plan them out that way. And I’ve got learning this stuff, David, I, you know, and it’s just as I go along, I can’t imagine not making Motion Picture My whole life, you know, so I always want to be going on to the next project and trying something new. And doing all that. I’m not one of those guys that I could ever see myself just saying, Hey, I’m gonna hang it up and call it good. You know, I want to go out guns blazing, you know, so to say and and that idea, but the rest time is important as well. So I think yeah, maybe many, many retirements. I don’t know if you want to call two weeks of retirement. I’ll take that time off though. And so when I go visit family, I don’t want to go actually do stuff. And I’ll tell them that for them, it’s a chance for them to go do stuff because you know, now we have an excuse. I actually I prefer to just, you know, sit down with you know, cup of tea, and have a conversation and that’s some of my favourite
David Ralph [36:01]
So So how do you move on to the next level? You’ve got this dream of building sort of motion pictures, making motion pictures. And you say you’re closer to the dream, you’re doing what you love. But there’s a lot of hassle involved. How do you take it from you where you are now to someone like JJ Abraham’s, because that there’s a process, isn’t it? The Spielberg’s of the world started with a small camera and built it up, built it up, built it up, how do you go? or How are you planning to go from where you are now? to where you want to be?
Doc Kennedy [36:35]
Well, you know what, a lot of my drive is just saying that I did it. I would love to just have a movie in a theatre, because I can go back to the kids that are in high school and say, Hey, you know what, no matter what people are telling you, dreams, your dreams are possible. And so if I made one movie in my whole life that made that happen, that’d be fine. So how
David Ralph [36:58]
are you gonna do my dream? How you gonna Do I know you’re gonna make that movie appear in that that movie theatre? And as long as it’s not Terminator seven, I will support you all the way.
Doc Kennedy [37:09]
Well, we talked about that, you know, that’s, that’s definitely not the angle I’m going but I, you know, for me it’s taking one step at a time and making connections. So I’m using podcasting to help make connections. Networking has been has been wonderful. And honestly, I think if you’re just a friend to people and not have a hidden agenda, and I don’t have a hidden agenda, I mean, my agenda is very clear of what I want to do. But I also want to help other people aspire to what they want to do, whether that’s in the filmmaking industry or not, you know, I want to help other people. So just utilising that and gaining those relationships, I feel will help me take the next step. And it’s already you know, I see things coming and it It’s hard to hard to say that it can’t happen will happen, things might change. But I know where I’m on the right track. I know that for sure. And I trust that each step is being guided and that I have nothing to lose, you know, so it’s like, you know, like, like Jim Carrey said, you know, there’s nothing to lose here.
David Ralph [38:22]
Well, what about the big leaps? I went about writing to Tarantino or one of these Captain age film producers, I would you be willing to do that risk and put yourself out there?
Doc Kennedy [38:35]
I’m kind of, well, you could I don’t feel that call. I have enough connections in Hollywood that I do plan to move to LA. Eventually. That could be in the next year and it could be in the next five years. I want to plan that more strategically.
David Ralph [38:55]
I kinda want to get a price lift. Do you know that as soon as you hit LA, you’re We’ll be having nips and tucks every week.
Doc Kennedy [39:04]
But I hope not. But, uh, you know, I want to plan this thing so that when I get there, I’m ready to hit the ground running and that I don’t have to actually make myself while I’m there. I want to actually be made before I get there. And I shouldn’t say made but you know, I want to re know what is needed or people know me to a certain degree before I land, you know, in the bigger pool. So I have some thoughts of process in my head. The podcasting is helping, and it’s helping other people too, and that’s important to me. So just making those connections and securing everything on that end. The other option is Vancouver BC, which isn’t too far from here. And that’s, you know, kind of called Hollywood north. That’s when the Xbox was up there. I believe so. Yeah, and psych and some other stuff. And spent a lot of movies made up there. So that’s another option.
But we’ll see, you know, I,
I won’t I’m not content where I am. But I’m thrilled to be on the ride
David Ralph [40:14]
and the brilliant thing about what you’re doing and what we can all do now we can create our own pond, you don’t actually have to go to Hollywood, you don’t actually have to get a recording contract like I used to, you know, to get an album out, you can literally release stuff and do it as a cottage industry, can’t you you can get things out just by pure hustle. That’s really exciting, isn’t it when you see these artists fine tuning their craft, before they actually come to our, our sort of consciousness really, because they’re doing it under their own efforts.
Doc Kennedy [40:53]
I had a guy on a podcast recently who made a three minute short film and took it to some Film Festival. And they’re actually turning that into a feature length film, it was picked up by a big production company, and it’s being all financed. You know, there’s awesome opportunity out there, if you want to take it on in this industry, you know, there’s awesome opportunity in any industry. So, you know, it’s a matter of if you’re going to go for it or not, but I’m thrilled to be where I’m at meeting the people that I am. You know, and just connecting with people like yourself, David, you know, this is a, this is just awesome, you know, what’s the likelihood that, you know, a guy from Tacoma would meet, you know, a guy across the pond. I mean, you know, it’s just an awesome time in history to be able to take on different stuff that we never could have before and be able to connect with people. I mean, that that’s the big thing to me being able to connect with people that we couldn’t have before.
David Ralph [41:46]
I agree. Totally. I quite often will walk into my house from my recording studio at the back of the garden, as it says, and say to my wife, I was just talking to this chap in Sri Lanka. And then an hour later, I’m talking to something Canada, and the fact that you can do this on such a budget and create an industry, and yes, it takes time to get going, everything takes time to get going. But unless you get hit by a bus, that time is gonna pass Anyway, you really have got this moment in your life to make a decision on what do I want in life and go for it. And it doesn’t matter whether you want to be a diving instructor, whether you want to breed Shetland ponies or whatever, you can do it. And what I have found a lot through this show is through what you’re saying about the connections and the network. If you’re thinking to yourself, I’d really like to breach it and ponies but I haven’t got the money. More often than not you can connect with somebody who has got the Shetland ponies and needs help or something there’s there’s a great bartering system, but money doesn’t actually have to come into it and I’ve had I’ve had a lot of work done on Show. Well, I’ve actually said to people now, I won’t pay you. But I have you on the show. And you can sort of promote your work that way and all that kind of stuff. And it’s worked very well. So you can reach out and say to people, how can I help you? Because you’ve got a dream. I will support that dream. And it works. It works. Well, doesn’t it? But he’s that scary thing about actually reaching out?
Doc Kennedy [43:21]
Oh, yeah. But you know, it’s like me reaching out to you, you know, I, I kind of see you as a podcast celebrity. So reaching out to you. I’m like, Well, you know,
David Ralph [43:30]
I might get rejected here. You’ve got very low standards. I promise you
Unknown Speaker [43:35]
David Ralph [43:37]
raise yourself higher and go for the big fish in the pond. Oh, whoa. Do you think is actually in your sort of podcasting? Well, because obviously, you’ve got a show and you love doing it. But who are the ones that you go to listen to? Who are the ones that you actually enjoy the content and it’s fresh and vibrant? Because you see so many come and go very, very quickly nowadays. What are the ones that you keep them coming? Back to
Doc Kennedy [44:01]
Yeah, Join Up Dots starve the doubt. Jared easily. He’s awesome. And he’s heading up podcast movement. What are some others? The Ray Edwards show? I’m trying to think of my list. I see it on my phone but.
David Ralph [44:19]
And do you like the fact that it’s tailored content? Do you like the fact but yeah, actually learn, unlike a radio station when you turn on the radio and the host is just talking about what he wants to talk about, with a podcast, every show has got a theme as an IT, he’s got something but if you like it, then you can come back time and time again. And it’s tailored for you.
Doc Kennedy [44:43]
Yeah, I absolutely love that. And it’s, you know, to me that so like something like filmmakers focus which is my newer show that’s totally tailored, and it’s got a very select audience. But I love that and I love finding stuff like that. Because that feels that fits my niche. You know there’s gonna be some other stuff but I know that there’s stuff on like pottery and different things like that. So you know there’s something for everyone. And the the really cool thing is that anyone can start one and anyone can do one. So you know you and I are proof of that. We can actually start up our own show and talk about what we wanted to talk about and have a reason to connect with people and give people the opportunity to shine.
David Ralph [45:28]
We always talk about the 200 if you get 200 listeners and you sell them a 500 pounds product over the year and being a podcast host is great because people hopefully if you do it the right way people will trust you and there’s a loyalty and you you you develop a brand and it becomes like a family to you. It’s the voice that you recognise. And you make 100 grand if you sell 500 product to 200 people you made 100 grand. Now with something like a podcast. You literally can have Thousands and thousands and thousands of listeners and the outlay each month is nothing is absolutely blows my mind, I think and I’m not just preaching this as podcasting world, but I wouldn’t ever start a blog now. I think it takes too long to get traffic, I would do a podcast every minute of the day, and blast your words out and get better at doing it and develop your themes and your nuances and whatever you want to do with your show. But you gain traffic really, really quickly like you wouldn’t with a conventional website.
Doc Kennedy [46:33]
Yeah, I totally agree. And the options are there you know that creative freedom is, you know, your show is what you want it to be. So I had a show before called dream warriors, which is still active and I still throw up podcasts every once a while on it. But it’s I learned from that what I would want to do differently with filmmakers focus so with filmmakers focus I’m doing seasons because that works better for my work schedule, I was getting really kind of almost depressed with dream warriors because I was working at too hard. And it wasn’t fitting my work schedule. So doing seasons with lawmakers focus that gives me time to pre record some episodes, get those out and make them seasonal that way I can work what I need to In the meantime,
David Ralph [47:23]
is perfect. And you can’t get that you can’t get that being an employee can you? You You do it when they want it. And that’s it. Join Up Dots is one day a week. That’s all it is now, and it used to be seven days a week and it was a kidding me. And I’ve just got it better and better and better. So I just do it all in one day. Unless I’m doing a bonus episode where sometimes I just get this vibe that I want to talk about a subject and so I will bash that out within 15 or 20 minutes or so. But yeah, literally it’s a day a day a week. Not that. That’s
Doc Kennedy [47:57]
Oh yeah, yeah. And it’s on your time. So it’s your call, you know, if you want to do one one week, great, you know, and you’re talking about recording once, once a week, you know, you’re talking with you before we started recording, you know, you’ve recorded a few episodes today. So that’s a lot of work. I mean, let’s not downplay your day. Now.
David Ralph [48:19]
A lot of work I’ve done six today is a breeze. How can you not want to have lovely conversations with people really? Oh, yeah.
Doc Kennedy [48:27]
Yeah, I agree with that. But it still can be a little bit a, you know, it’s not totally easy work, but you’ve got it down to where you can just knock them out. So this is awesome. You’re doing seven days? Or are you releasing episodes seven days a week, you
David Ralph [48:44]
know, used to and when we hit the anniversary, and I asked all the listeners, what do you want from the show? And I said less of it. And so I’ve gone to three days a week, but then I keep on releasing bonus episodes all the time I’ve released released three of them this week. I think so I’m pretty much about six, six episodes a week, three proper episodes, as I would say, two of me having a rant about something. And you know, it’s great because you can have fun with the format. And the format of Join Up Dots is definitely changing. The theme is staying the same. I want people to gain something from it, I want them to feel a passion for changing their life. But the actual format of it used to be very rigid. And now I can sort of mix it up a bit. And I think that’s when the competence of the task becomes enjoyable. You’ve done your apprenticeship, and you get to a point and you think, actually, I can mix it up and people will stay with me and it certainly seems that case.
Doc Kennedy [49:44]
That’s awesome. Yeah, it’s all about what they want. So for me, I have to sort of mix in what they want and what I want and a lot of that comes down to what guests they want and what what topics I want to cover. So I’m trying to do like 12 episodes per season. We’ll see, I might cut that down to six. But I’m excited about it. You know, and I’m excited about what you got going on David, you know, just listening to your audience and going with what they want. You know, I think that would be hard for people to dial it down from seven because you feel I think I would feel more in control with Kevin, and Phil and more confident that, you know, whatever sponsorship, if you want to go that route might be there, stuff like that. But you’re, you’re really in tune with what everyone wants, and you really care about what people want. And I really appreciate that about you.
David Ralph [50:36]
That’s very nice to be adult. Well, well, I want to do now we’ve had a little little bit of a chat, sort of meet show chat. Let’s bring it back to the theme of the whole show. And these are the words that Steve Jobs said over 10 years ago now and I love playing these and I’m going to play him again. So
Steve Jobs [50:51]
this is Steve Jobs. Of course it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college, but it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [51:27]
So does it make all the difference, sir?
Doc Kennedy [51:31]
Yeah, yeah. And when I look at the dots in my life, I mean, they’re, they’re very clear. When I look back, I could have gone a number of routes. And there was a time in my life where things didn’t look good. I was actually doing a lot of stuff that could have gotten me into a lot of trouble. You know, could it be even ended my life. So I thank God that, you know, he didn’t allow that to happen. Gave me enough sense to kind of knock it off. But, you know, when I and when I think about the biggest dot, I mean, just moving to Tacoma totally changed my life. And it changed everything for me. And taking that chance. I mean, that was a big chance to jump from the small town come to the city, and have this idea that I was going to move to Seattle. And that was my plan. I’m gonna move to Seattle. Well, you know, an opening in Tacoma came up so I’ll take what I can and eventually moved to Seattle. I didn’t need to, you know, the everything was here that I felt God put me here on purpose. I went to church where I’m at the first week that I moved here. And that to me was nerve wracking because you know, I don’t know anybody here I’m taking a chance and I’m stepping out. And I was also gonna, I had made up my mind that I was going to try to meet people. I had made that mistake of not doing that before. I didn’t want to do it again. So I took a chance. And I started volunteering. And I ended up volunteering in the field that I wanted to be a part of. And, you know, to me, it’s just totally God ordained. So, you know, I’m really grateful for the positive stuff in my life. And I’m really grateful for what God has saved me from with what could have been extremely harmful to me.
David Ralph [53:29]
I’m pleased for your dog. I think you’re a lovely chap, and you’re doing things your way and you’re trying to provide value to people and yeah, yeah, not, you know, upsetting the applecart. You’re just quietly doing your thing and it’s gonna be an absolute honour. When I sit down, I’m not gonna buy a ticket for it. I expect to see it for free. I’ll be honest, when your your movie is in the cinema, and I can go there and go, I know him. I know him. I’ve had him on my show.
Doc Kennedy [53:55]
Yeah, you know what I I haven’t said this day, buddy, but I I envision myself winning an Oscar, you know that. But I think you have to have that mindset too, that you can start dreaming bigger and bigger. And you see yourself on stages that you would not have dreamed of before. So I want to keep that dream going and going and going and trusting that, you know, even if that didn’t happen, it still helps motivate me to the next phase of my life.
David Ralph [54:26]
Absolutely, it can happen if you want it to happen enough, then you can at least give it a shot. Calm your weather. Yeah, you know, the voting panel actually decree that it’s Oscar worthy, but you can still give it a shot and go for it.
Doc Kennedy [54:41]
You know, I don’t even care about that. It’s just it’s about the, it’s about the dream. And for me, it’s about just being able to tell other people that no matter what other people say, in your life, because there’s going to be negative people. You know, and I know we opened with that tag about my mom saying You know, to get real, but to be fair, also, you know, we’re on different stages of life and we’re gonna say stupid stuff to people. I’ve said a number of stupid stuff and I’ll probably do it again I guarantee hobo. I’ve said stupid stuff that people they don’t think that it impacted anyone but it did. You know, and just being careful with our words as well. You know, to me, it’s about that and just saying, hey, you don’t have to live off of that. I just, I mean, if I was never winning an Oscar I just want to be up there to have two minutes to encourage people. That’s it.
David Ralph [55:37]
Well, I hope you do and I hope you remember your old mate from the United Kingdom in your speech that
Unknown Speaker [55:44]
absolutely that would be exciting
David Ralph [55:45]
Doc Kennedy [55:47]
I will say yes. If it was not for David Ralph and join us, I would not be here day ago. I like
David Ralph [55:53]
I like adulation from anywhere I can get it I force it into every crevice I can find well being The end of the show now, and this is the better we always finished with, and it’s the Sermon on the mic when we’re going to send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young Doc, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give? Well, we’re going to find out because I’m going to play the theme tune. And as it fades you up. This is the Sermon on the mic
Unknown Speaker [56:27]
with the speed of the show.
Doc Kennedy [56:44]
So I’m going to go back to two different times in my life. First, I’m going to go back to fifth grade when we moved from Montana to Washington. I’m going to say to myself, don’t worry about what other people think. Yes, you’ve, you’ve left your friends, and you’re gonna make new friends. Just be that Friend of people don’t worry about what what they’re saying what they’re thinking. And, you know, honestly, I wish I would have said yes to Jesus sooner in my life. And that would have made things a little bit more clear for me. And then I would also say, to my 22, self taught was just so frustrated, and just wanted to do something different and didn’t even didn’t even have the dream of video production or movies in his mind. But he was just so frustrated. Just tell him to chill, to enjoy life, and to even enjoy those tough times that you’re going through. They’re going to help you be the person that you need to be when you get to do the things that you want to do.
David Ralph [57:43]
Doc, how can our audience connect with you sir?
Doc Kennedy [57:46]
through email dot Kennedy 37 at gmail.com. You can also Google filmmakers focus which is the podcast and just hook you can hit up doc Kennedy 30 On Twitter, Instagram, you can find filmmaker doc on Facebook. So lots of opportunity out there to connect with me and I love chatting with people. Whether you’re in the industry I am or not, I just love meeting new people and hopefully being an encouragement to them and maybe even connecting them with some people that can help them along their journey.
David Ralph [58:20]
We will have over links on the show notes. Doc, thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining up those dots. Please come back again, when you have more dots to join up a next time. Tell us what your real name is. I’m going to get that one out of you. And I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures doc Kennedy Thank you so much.
Doc Kennedy [58:40]
Thank you David. This has been a truly an honour and just god bless your journey as well. I’m so excited about your next 400 episodes, how you’re gonna sound and and where this could go. sky’s the limit.
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David Ralph [59:21]
Do you know I felt like I’m Oh, because you bought the show it ended But no, it’s me again. Can you do me a favour I’m really looking for some five star ratings and reviews on iTunes. It really is the rocket powder pushes you up. I haven’t wanted to ask before because he felt a little bit embarrassed about it. But now is the time that I need to make the move. So if you love the show, and you’ve loved listening to it as much as I have loved doing it for you. Go over to iTunes and look the David Ralph Join Up Dots and all the reviews will be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much for everything you do. Thank you so much for simply listening. But if you could do this as well. Wow, we’re gonna be we’re gonna be mates forever. Thanks very much. Bye bye