Nat & Jodie Join Us On The Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast
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Introducing Nat & Jodie
Nat and Jodie are our guests today on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots podcast interview.
It’s an absolute delight to have the two ladies who literally bound around the world like some excited Labradors.
And believe me that might not sound like a compliment, but it certainly is.
As the two of them have had some huge setbacks in life, but haven’t allowed them to lose their spirit for life, and their desire to create adventure in their relationship.
After originally meeting in 2010 at a course in Sydney, called ‘The Quest for Truth’ it became evident that the quest for truth, was going to be linked with their love of travel.
A few years back, after leaving Australia, they entered into a business opportunity in Dubai, which of course they thought would be a good move, but turned out to be anything but.
Or so hey would have thought at the time, but as we see literally everyday on Join Up Dots, the darkest times in our lives become the moments where we find our true paths.
How The Dots Joined Up For Them
Left with literally nothing, they had to reassess what they wanted to do, and how they wanted to do it….with the caveat of making it as cheap as possible.
With a mere $300 in their pockets they decided to start travelling through house-sitting as a way to save money on the rent they could no longer afford.
They figured if they could save themselves rent and utility bills for six months or so, they could get back on our feet… and then go and do something they really wanted to do, which of course would involve travel.
But actually they had found it already, and now are the creators of the international housesitting community, where they share their knowledge and experience with anyone who has that desire for the nomadic lifestyle….which I think most of us have at one time or another.
So do they look back at Dubai, and go “Do you know that was truly the making of us…we wouldn’t change a thing!”
And do they believe that within all of us is a business that can be built purely on our passions, leading to a life that we love?
Well lets find out as we bring onto the show to start Joining Up Dots with the one and only, Nat & Jodie
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Nat & Jodie such as:
How they have no dreams to settle down and love the thrill of what the future holds for them every time they open their eyes.
How they compliment each other strengths perfectly with one being thoughtful and the other being gung-ho.
How they both feel that nowadays a job is nowhere near as secure as getting out there and building a business based on passion.
How they had no plans at all when they started the house sitting community, but have built it all by trial and error…which we all can do.
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David Ralph [0:00]
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when we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK. David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:57]
Yes, I know better everybody and welcome To Join Up Dots, it’s Episode 418. And I’m delighted about this one today because I’ve got two ladies on the show. Yes, I rarely get chance to speak to one lady but two ladies. And they’re both Australian so and even better. They’re both up the road as well. So they’re actually in London at the moment. So if I knew anything about Australians, we could have met in a bar and started drinking and recording live. And the fact that it’s half past eight in the morning wouldn’t stop him either, I’m sure But well, it is an absolute delight to have him on the Join Up Dots show because as that lady who literally bounced around the world like some sort of excited Labradors, and believe me, that may not sound like a compliment, but it certainly is as the two of them. I’ve had some huge setbacks in life, but haven’t allowed them to lose the spirit alive and their desire to create adventure in their relationship. Now, after originally meeting in 2010, a course in Sydney called the quest for truth, it became evident that the quest for truth was going to be linked with their love of travel a few years back after leaving Australia by entered into a business operation tunity to buy which of course they thought would be a good move, but turned out to be anything bad or so how they would have thought at the time. But as we see, literally every day on Join Up Dots, the darkest times in our lives become the moments where we find our true paths, left with literally nothing. They had to reassess what they wanted to do and how they wanted to do it with the caveat of making it as cheap as possible. And with a mere $300. in their pockets, they decided to start travelling through house sitting as a way to save money on the rent they could no longer afford. Now I figured if I could save themselves rent and utility bills for six months or so they could get back on their feet, and then go and do something they really wanted to do, which of course, would involve travel, but actually, this is the good thing. They found it already. And now are the creators of the International House sitting community where they share their knowledge and experience with anyone who has that desire for the nomadic lifestyle, which I think most of us have at one time or another. So they don’t look back at Dubai and go Do you know what was that really was truly an amazing up as we wouldn’t change a thing and do they believe that when all of us, there is a business that can be built purely on our passions leading to a life that we love. Well, let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start Join Up Dots with the one and only Nat and Jodie, how are you ladies?
Nat & Jodie [3:16]
Good morning. Excellent. Brilliant.
David Ralph [3:19]
I’ve already been drinking I promise you I stopped. So so let’s cut to the chase because that was a true kind of comment about sweeping statement about Australians but it’s kind of true as well. Would you be drinking at half past eight in the morning.
Nat & Jodie [3:35]
We’ve been known to maybe 20 years ago, probably a bit long in the tooth now. I need my sleep more.
David Ralph [3:41]
Because Because we’ve got some Australians in our family if they’re listening to this go got a bit bigger than sort of Facebook me and criticise me, but um, but they came over for about three weeks and they stayed about six months. And we had this um, my mum and dad many many years ago. We’re having a like a 50 wedding anniversary and my dad had filled up the garbage with alcohol. And he said to one of the guys, you know, Oh, don’t go down to the off licence, just go into the garbage and help yourself. And within two weeks, he consumed a lot. And that that was like, you know, six years of alcohol content for us to consume. It’s It was unbelievable. It was like a swarm of alcoholic locusts with one person leading the way that went in there. So is that a sweeping stereotype? Or would you say no, that is true.
Nat & Jodie [4:28]
Well, absolutely stripping stereotype. I mean, I’ve had my moments, but not in particular, she’s pretty much been a non drinker most of the life and still, even I heard her brother is actually a beer connoisseur. When we were in Peru. Something shifted. She started drinking beer. It was amazing. So now she’s a beagle.
David Ralph [4:47]
Wow, you’re even more perfect in my eyes, man. So. So which one of you sort of leads the way? Because it is a it’s a double act really, isn’t it? Nat and Jody, wherever I went online. So eventually stumped q Bo’s names appeared and who got top billing First of all, so that’s a good question who decided that? Yeah, that’s gonna be the best one to go first.
Unknown Speaker [5:10]
Jody actually this
Nat & Jodie [5:14]
is where the book ends of the zodiac so Nat is actually 11 months older than me so every year for just one month we get to be the same age.
Jim Carrey [5:24]
The older you get it Yeah, the senior seniors first apparently.
David Ralph [5:29]
You’ve always got to respect your elders haven’t you? That’s, that’s the way you do it. So you are living a life that you can literally call the world your home and you can travel around and the fact that as we before we started recording I was slightly freaked out when I first looked at Skype it said Mexico and then two seconds later it was London. So like, like doctor who you’re getting across the world and sort of a rite of not how do you decide about where you’re gonna go? How do you go right? We’re in Mexico. Next stage, London. Is it planned or You literally saw, spin the globe and put your finger down and go back looks good.
Nat & Jodie [6:05]
No, it’s not really spinning the globe, it really depends on where our house it’s come up. So we’re actually booked up to August next year now. So we know exactly where we will be for the next year. But it it really does depend on what assignments are coming up on housing assignments, what ones Joe with us, and we apply for them and get them and that sort of determines where we end up after that. I have to say, though, like when we first started this journey, I was one of those people who could never see past next weekend. So I certainly started freaking out when I had like 10 months worth of Where am I going? I didn’t I didn’t know how we were going to get because at that stage, we didn’t have the money to buy the flights, but I just had enough trust that it would all work out. But it was certainly strange to go wow. Like I know where I’m going to be for 10 months. This is bizarre. So I’m a lot more used to it now two and a half years down the track. And yet, like Matt said, I mean, other than a couple of little small gaps here or there and now most of it is return houses So, you know, we choose where we want to go back to we don’t always want to go back to the same place. But sometimes they’re just so awesome. We have to.
David Ralph [7:07]
And sometimes they’re dreadful. Did you go to somewhere and you go, okay, the house is lovely, but the surrounding area, there’s nothing to do. And it’s just like a kind of very swanky prison.
Jim Carrey [7:18]
Not really a little bit in Ecuador, because security is quite high in the areas that we’re in. So, you know, you’ve got, we had just come from a sacred valley in Peru where we had just an open space and mountains and all that sort of stuff. And then we got to Ecuador. And we’re in sort of four walls really, you know, with
Nat & Jodie [7:39]
broken glass at the top of the gate. Yeah, all sorts of crazy security
Jim Carrey [7:43]
stuff. So and that’s just not our way of living sort of thing. So I think that felt a little bit boxed in, and is that that’s probably the only place really,
David Ralph [7:51]
I know, there’s some places that you say, Well, I’m gonna stay there for two weeks or three weeks or whatever. And then you’ve been God actually be great if we could get a place around the corner, because we’ve only touched on this place.
Nat & Jodie [8:02]
No, then in that case, we probably go back for repeats it but because we are booked up, back with back to back seats, we actually don’t have the time to just sort of all take another two weeks here sort of thing. We’re actually on to our next assignment usually by the time that that one’s finished, but we’re also not doing the journey around the world like seeking where we’d like to live. We had a conversation actually with the suitcase entrepreneur and Natalie Sisson. She stayed with us for a few weeks when we’re in Colorado, and she said, Oh, you know, I walked down the street, sometimes in places and sort of thing. Oh, I could live here. Do you ever get that? And I’m like, no. I don’t want to live anywhere.
David Ralph [8:38]
Not one time. You’ve been somewhere because I know Natalie. And she’s a lovely lady. And she’s doing great stuff. But I think that most times I go somewhere and I either go, No, this is dreadful. 10 days and I’m out of here. Or actually I could I could settle in and it’s quite nice. So you never get that feeling at all.
Nat & Jodie [8:57]
Well, not not from the perspective of say like No, I could leave here. I guess if I say I could leave here, it’s like, well, I am here. I am leaving here. I don’t have any desire to kind of plan out, you know, where I’d retire or anything because I feel like I’m just going to be on the move forever. At this point in time anyway,
Jim Carrey [9:14]
yeah, certainly at the moment, I think we’re in the mindset of travel at the moment rather than pulling up stumps sort of thing. So we just have no bone in our body that wants to settle down anyway to us travellers settling down and a comfort zone now.
Nat & Jodie [9:28]
In fact, we pulled up at our longest house, it has been four months, and we decided that that was one month too long, so we won’t take on anything that’s longer than three months now. But as sweetspot is probably around the six to eight week mark, and then we’re gonna add, you know, to move on, we’re ready to go again.
David Ralph [9:46]
So So let’s take you back in time, because obviously, we can hear in your voice, you found your thing, and this is something that you don’t want to give up and you’re loving it and you’re building this amazing community of other people doing the same thing and until you connected with me Hadn’t dawned on me that you could do this kind of stuff. I just thought if you travelled, you’d have to get a hotel or a campsite or something, I didn’t think that you could go and steal other people’s houses. So if we took you back to that stage in Dubai, when your business went a bit pear shaped, as we say, in the United Kingdom, it went a bit wrong. Do you look back on that and go, yeah, that truly was the making of us. If that hadn’t have happened, our path would have been totally different to what we’re experiencing now.
Jim Carrey [10:27]
Or if we didn’t go bust in Dubai, I would pretty much guarantee we’d still be there. So trying to recoup the money that we spent on because it’s not a case when you go to places while certainly in Dubai, let me speak for Dubai. You know, it’s not $100 or $1,000 investment to be to create an a company, it’s actually 30 or $40,000. So it’s a lot of money to put in and then to recoup back out as well. So we would still be there definitely.
Nat & Jodie [10:54]
And outside of that, I don’t know that we’d actually be together because not being caged into the sandpit. She was going bonkers even just after one year, she was like, I need to see green and the ocean. Yeah,
David Ralph [11:05]
that’s it was really hard work for us. I think coming from Australia as well, as Jody said, like the whole nature thing is really important to us need just do not get that in the Middle East. So that was starting to send me around the twist a little bit. And just being I think we just bought ourselves a really expensive job basically like a 40 or 3030 or $40,000 job. But that’s the key thing isn’t is how many people listen to these podcasts and they have entrepreneurial spirit in them. And when I talk to them on a one to one basis, which I do a lot of now, if somebody comes through to me more often than not, I will try to connect with them. They seem to almost want to replicate what I had in an office in their home environment. They seem to almost set it up, but they’re going to be doing nine to five every day and I go well why do you want to do nine to five on your own with the cat? Why don’t you try to do something that is a little bit more to do with what you want to do. And you seem to have touched into that. Usually seemed to found that essence of travel and that nomadic lifestyle. Can you take that all the way back to the young versions of you in Australia? Were you the kind of girls that was always running around trying to find adventure?
Nat & Jodie [12:15]
Well, I’ll speak to that first because my family definitely moved a lot. I mean, in grade five of primary school, I was in, you know, three different schools in two states. So I sort of had the on the move thing, the longest I actually did stay in one place as a child was, I went to the same high school, I think that was important for mom and dad. But despite being in the same high school, we still moved house three times. And you know, even throughout my life, I mean, I never really stayed in one place longer than I think it was a maximum three years like within a job. But I’m literally the polar opposite of Matt, in that regard, or sort of where we grew up.
Jim Carrey [12:54]
Yeah, my family. Well, my mom and dad are still in the same house that they’ve been in, that I grew up in. So that’s what Well, they’ve been there 50 years now,
David Ralph [13:02]
and you like that, but the fact you go home and it’s kind of like your real roots, because my mom and dad moved into their house in 62 or something, and they’re still there. And even though I grew up there, when I go back, it doesn’t kind of feel like my house because I’ve sort of moved on and had families and all that kind of stuff. But do you like that? That grounding, that there are routes that you can go back but are so familiar to you? Because it’s always been there?
Jim Carrey [13:24]
No, not really, I don’t really have a sense of that to be
David Ralph [13:29]
able to view it in real
Nat & Jodie [13:33]
time to actually do the final move because if they move from Sydney up to the Gold Coast, it’s just gonna be so much more convenient. When we do our first trip back to Australia in three years at the end of this year. It’s kind of a we have to go back trip and it’s like, well, let’s at least get them up there so we don’t have to split up over Christmas.
David Ralph [13:49]
Any so big Australia, isn’t it? I you know, I? I’ve been down there twice and I’ve only ever go over again because I just think if God wants me to go to Australia, he wouldn’t America fine. If I was away, he sat alone. Johnny isn’t, especially with kids. I can’t bear the thought of it.
Jim Carrey [14:07]
Yeah, it’s a really long journey. And we are going to track back this year. We’ve got two nieces that we’ve never met before that are like aged two and three or something. It’s about time we went back
Nat & Jodie [14:19]
exactly what you said there. I mean, that’s what it came down to with us. You know, losing everything in Dubai was pretty much that question. You look at the map, and you say, look at that big old Island at the bottom of the world, like, do you really want to hit all the way back there and not that we could unless we borrowed money anyway, but it was just seeing how close the Middle East was to Europe and the UK and as you say, over to America is like, we want to do this and somehow we’re gonna make this
David Ralph [14:42]
work. So how did you do it you in Dubai, because this is the real nuts and bolts of the whole story, isn’t it? You need to buy you’ve got this trust that something’s gonna work. And it didn’t. How do you rally yourself to go again? Or was it just survival mode? Did you stumble across what you’re doing now? Pure By survival?
Jim Carrey [15:01]
Yeah, it was definitely Yeah, we really had got to a stage where we were living in a small apartment in Dubai, which was very nice. But things were definitely going pear shaped our business partner decided after three months that he wanted to pull out and he was financing everything. And in Dubai, you actually can’t close the business down within the first 12 months. So no matter how bad it’s going, you’ve got to hang in there and everything gets paid on top of contracts. So the lease on the office was there. All the utilities had to be paid. Everything still had to run for the full 12 months. So we were beside ourselves, we really did not know what to do. And I would just, we both reacted quite differently to it. I would basically go and lay down and just slave. I just had no ads. I was to the point where I had no answers left. I was so confused. That’s good thing with depression,
David Ralph [15:51]
isn’t it? You do get your sleep.
Nat & Jodie [15:53]
Yeah. A lot of sleep sleeping. He was he was totally doing
my head in because I’d be like, we’ve got it. And maximum, you know, I’m searching my mind for some inspired thought on how to bring some caching. And she’s laying down and I’m like, he kidding me, you know, doing laying down. But I guess to backtrack a little bit, sort of even before the Dubai thing, I mean, we don’t have actually been in our very first same sex relationship ever. I mean, it was very much like, halftime change sides type of thing, you know, 40 year old virgin, whatever you want to call it, but four months into our relationship, and, you know, this opportunity came up to go to Dubai. So many of our friends at home were like, you know, really the Middle East Muslim country, you know, you go, like, what are you doing?
David Ralph [16:37]
That is a bit bizarre, actually. Now, you say, isn’t it? Yeah, do when I said it to you. Did you go? Oh, yeah, I hadn’t thought of that.
Unknown Speaker [16:44]
I actually did just felt right.
Jim Carrey [16:46]
some reason to by thought, right. It called us definitely Yeah.
Nat & Jodie [16:49]
But I think what had happened not because of the experience, you know, having met as you say that seminar called the quest for truth, which is now actually called the WTF experience, which makes it even better So through that kind of work that we’ve been working on, we’d actually kind of stood there saying, yes, let’s, you know, I really want to experience magic. I mean, I’d seen some crazy stuff go on with Nat, because she’d sort of been on this journey a little bit longer than me to the point that even in Australia, she had this, this. She logged into her internet banking, and she had a credit card that had like $12,000 owing on it. And I don’t know, maybe I was in the stalking her kind of getting to know what her finances were, but I know that her shoulders all coming
David Ralph [17:32]
out now is all coming out.
Nat & Jodie [17:36]
But I remember looking over his shoulder one time, she was logged into internet banking, and I saw the $12,000 debt. And then I don’t know a couple of weeks later, she said, Oh, my God, this is really weird. Look at this, and the debt had gone down to 1500 dollars. And we’re like, and I’m because I’m an ex banker, and I’m going, let me just have a look at this. I’ve got to see the logic of this and I’ve gone back in and there is this really strange transaction that had almost wiped Got the whole debt, and it never came back. So I’m like, okay, that’s the type of magic arm ready to experience. Yeah, let’s go. So what
David Ralph [18:07]
was it? Because I’m an ex banker as well. So what was it? Because my experience of having money come into your bank account when you don’t expect it is ultimately they will find it and take it back out again. And so did you know,
Jim Carrey [18:19]
I didn’t actually withdraw? It was really funny because I logged on and looked at it at one stage and went, Oh, that’s really strange, like, Oh, that must be a glitch in the matrix. And that was it. I didn’t think anything more of it. And then literally about a week later, I went back in to do whatever I was doing with my bank stuff, and went, Oh, that’s really weird. It hasn’t come back on my visa
Nat & Jodie [18:42]
card. my lunch constraint, my left brain was kicking in saying, Well, if for any reason they were going to write it off. It would be the whole amount. Why would they leave this? It was that was like 1600 $83 or 70 entry said unusual transactions. That’s exactly what it was called. And it was like That’s really bizarre, really bizarre,
David Ralph [19:03]
do not phoned him up and say, hang on this has happened. When did you start? Because I got 20 grand in my bank account once and all my mates it now you can go off on holiday and said no, I’m gonna leave it there. It stayed there for two years until they found it. And when they did find it, they took all the interest back as well. And I said, Come on, you might as well leave me the interest It was your mistake anyway. But no, they took every single penny back. So I would I would have had to phone them and say, hang on, Is this right?
Jim Carrey [19:30]
It might have been a bit different if they deposited the money into the account but because it was actually walking out debt and it was a credit card. I think that was a little bit different. So I wasn’t no I was quite happy not to chase them about it. But you know, I’m I’m a solid believer in magic like that, like that things. Reality is not fixed. So it is capable of being manipulated and changed and with no explanation and I didn’t go looking for an explanation. I just went, Okay, it’s one of those moments. It’s one of those magic moments that occur. In life, and thank you, we’ll take that as a gift. So that was it, it never came back. Because your relationship
David Ralph [20:04]
seems like a magic moment as well, doesn’t it? The fact that I’m trying to sort of remember the voices but once that one’s Jody is quite difficult to do, but who was the one who was sleeping all the time? Now, right. Okay. So you say you must sort of luck karma. Am I getting that right? You seem as somebody who likes to think of things and Jodi’s Come on, let’s go, which, which is like the perfect hybrid of a business, isn’t it? Once person is sort of pulls back and is more reflective and the other one drags you forward into areas you don’t get. It seems magical, but the two of you have complimented your personal strengths. So well.
Jim Carrey [20:42]
Yeah, definitely. Jody is a lot more spontaneous. She’ll jump into things and I You’re right. I will sit back and I’ll think about things a lot more logically. But then when it feels right, like I’ll probably get stronger visions on things that go right, this is the direction we’re talking. I’m really saying it’s very clearly right now. Let’s go. And so we sort of lead the charge in For what very different ways, and the other person will sort of back out in very different ways as well. So,
Nat & Jodie [21:06]
which came down to even with the hassling thing. I mean, you know, it was actually getting really close to the end, we tried everything to either until the the trade licence do anything because it wasn’t just about losing money. I couldn’t leave the country until I cancelled my visa. And if I didn’t cancel my visa, I would have been out for another 12 months worth of fees because I was the managing director on the account like the residency. So we had to do something and we were literally down to the last sort of, you know, a couple of months of that. And for some reason, it was like I started looking at the escape plan and the Escape Plan led me to looking at housing sites and, and that was when I remember just sort of looking through and I started, you know, reading out tonight, like these different places and like, wow, we could do this because I actually when I when I, my marriage fell apart. Like I actually went housesitting to start with because Sydney’s around really expensive city. And I walked away from everything. So I didn’t take anything out of my marriage from the house or anything. I literally was starting from scratch there too, but housecleaning was what I did in Sydney. And I never thought of it being an international thing. So when it came back to me, kind of, you know, almost a year and a half, two years later, it was like, oh, wow, we could do this internationally. So those little kind of inspired thoughts is where it comes from me, but then I, you know, run a pass net to get there. Have you seen this vision is this for you?
David Ralph [22:32]
Let’s play some words. And then I’m going to take us on to the next stage of the conversation, which is very much about how you got this going. Because I know there’s gonna be a load of people out there looking for that creative spark. And I know that as soon as you sort of connected with me, I sent an email through from a friend who is desperate to travel abroad and experience the world, but can’t quite see the angle, how she can build an income into doing at the same time. But these are the words that we play every single day on the show. We’re going to do it again. Jim Carrey
Jim Carrey [23:01]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [23:28]
So you were a banker, which is a safe job. You then went and to Dubai and failed at something that sounds like it wasn’t your kind of thing. And now you’ve taken a risk on doing something you love. Fast speech is literally written for you, isn’t it?
Nat & Jodie [23:45]
Yes, except there was a big gap between my banking career because that was way back when I first left school, I needed four years with the bank and then I went on to actually do resort in tourism management all around Australia. So that kind of travelling thing kicked in with the Hospitality and Tourism it but yes, the the security and safety aspect of a job was probably more than that story than mine I actually had a bit more of that entrepreneurial tainting as being part of my upbringing, but not on the other hand with his safe secure, you know, Australian Federal Police position that she wanted all of her life.
David Ralph [24:23]
She’s to have the handcuffs now. Sorry, so it’s still not nine o’clock in the morning. I don’t know what’s come across me
Jim Carrey [24:31]
and now we’re talking about alcohol. I mean, really, what do you take us for Ozzy’s?
David Ralph [24:38]
So when you listen to those words, do you kind of go Yeah, that really is the message that should get out to the world today because I see it on a daily basis. But it doesn’t take a lot of risk for you to fundamentally change your life with the opportunities that we’ve got now through the internet and the World Wide Web. You literally can do it. risk and it’d be life changing. Did you see that as the message that everyone should buy into?
Jim Carrey [25:04]
No, it’s really funny, like people say, living his life as stepping out and taking a risk and all that sort of stuff, but having a job is not. And it’s like, I just see it the opposite. It’s like if anyone’s got a job, it’s like such a risk, because you have no control over your own destiny like that can be taken away from you in a heartbeat, like a relationship can like money can, which is exactly what happened to us money was taken away from us in a heartbeat. And then it was gone. It’s like so how secure are those things really, like when you dive into it? And to me, doing what we’re doing now and doing what we love, and creating our own income and learning the skills that we need to learn to put our business together that can’t be taken away. When it
David Ralph [25:48]
can, Kenny but people still buy into that. Get a job, get a job for life. It might not be a job for life, but it’s security, they still buy into it and this whole show is about being happy and I will Say, if everyone was an entrepreneur, no one would service at McDonald’s, you’ve got to have some people that are going to be employees because otherwise that the fabric of the world will will crumble somehow. But you can be happy in your job, can you? And that’s the thing. There’s so many people that are doing jobs that they hate and they dislike, but they’re not willing to take that chance to just be able to look at their passions, look at their talents, and feel that they can provide a service and get reward for that and actually enjoy doing it at the same time.
Jim Carrey [26:32]
Yeah, I agree. I do feel that that’s probably the mindset of a lot. A lot of people like yeah, you’re right. A lot of people do enjoy the job. I was in the Federal Police. I loved it. You know, it was what I wanted to do ever since I was a kid. So yeah, absolutely. People can enjoy their job. But if you’re not, I guess what I’m saying. What I did say was, don’t fall into the illusion that there’s security there. Because if it’s something that you don’t love, my honest belief is it will be taken away from you eventually. Because our natural progression is to move towards love to move towards what we do love. So it’s, you know the universe or God or whatever you want to call it is trying to push you in that direction constantly. So these challenges that we had in Dubai and stuff. In all honesty, we weren’t doing what we loved. We really hated it at the end of the day. So thank God it happened. Because it was trying to push us in a really difficult, challenging way. Because we were hanging on gripping on to the social so called security
Nat & Jodie [27:33]
so much that it hurt a lot, or what comes up for me out of that is it was actually a massive ego trip. I mean, even the fact that it took sort of three months for the whole thing to be put together. We were being chased by nets boss at the time. And you know, now we can see we’re a little bit naive, perhaps, you know, you can see he’s a gender of that. But the ego kicked in to say, Oh my god, like I’m going to be a managing director of a company. This is this is huge. All this is where the magic is, you know, I said I wanted magic. And here I am creating it. This guy wants to start a business. But it was such an ego trip and it was so untrue. And it was not what we wanted. We didn’t want to be chained to a brick and mortar business. We wanted the freedom to be doing what we were doing. So what do you mean,
David Ralph [28:17]
if you kind of know that fundamentally which it seems you do? Why did you do that?
Nat & Jodie [28:23]
Because it was definitely about the
staying in the UAE I was getting sick of having to go out every 30 days because I only had a tourist visa. So it was about getting that visa. So in some degree, it was definitely about that kind of, quote, unquote, security, you know, don’t have to go out every month. And we were still chasing that false goal of money. It was like well, Dubai’s where, where you know, money is made. So we keep hearing devices where money is made. We can make a lot of money here and then start travelling, but it was such a false belief system. That, you know, we needed the direct experience. Perhaps we are a bit too thick or bit too slow or something or maybe it was just that our ego was so freakin huge that we needed a massive humbling to be able to say, Well what if you actually did what you loved first and then the money will follow. It’s funny though
David Ralph [29:19]
how it comes into your life at certain times, you know talking about myself, I was a financial trainer, and I did training courses. And I used to teach people for many, many years. And I got bored of it basically. So I decided but what I was going to do, I was going to quit my job. And I was going to become a chat show host which I’ve done. And on that element. I love it I absolutely adore but it’s like the greatest thing I’ve ever done. But now I’m getting a strong vibe, but I want to teach people again, it’s coming back to me and even though I sort of pushed it away at the time, it’s coming back and I can now see but that is my my real passion. This is a kind of ego driven thrill but I do but the actual teaching piece How to change their life is always there. So, if you look back over your life, are there clearly defined dots that actually you missed, leading to where you are now? Where did you always have those kinds of inbuilt passions like I have, but it’s just taken a while for you to actually find them?
Jim Carrey [30:19]
Yeah, I think I searched for a while for what it would be because I, when I was in the federal police, that was what I always wanted to do ever since I was a kid. So when I left there, after 13 years, I was really lost for probably a good five or six years, I slept a lot. For five or six years, I was really stumbling around and going, I have no idea what I want to do. I started to get drawn into consciousness work and personal development and wealth creation and all those things, that sort of path, which was very unusual for someone being in the police to suddenly start going down that sort of more feminine esoteric type lines sort of thing. So I think that helped me being feeling quite lost? Because it was such a different way of life, and a different way of looking at things. But yeah, I think the sense of entrepreneurial entrepreneurship started to come in, I was really feeling I’d really like to create a business actually, but I don’t know really doing them what maybe it’s doing seminars or helping, you know, doing coaching and that sort of stuff. So, none of you know, I started a couple of businesses, they didn’t go anywhere. Back in Australia, I moved to New Zealand for a while start a company over there with a friend of mine. So I was really wandering along until I met Jody.
And then we wander together for a while
Nat & Jodie [31:38]
and took action like took sort of big action, whether it be big action, fail, big action succeed, big action move, you know, and I think that’s been good for both of us because I needed I couldn’t do it on my own. Like if I didn’t have my, you know, grounding with Matt, like I wouldn’t be able to do what I’m doing now. Because I’d tried it for a while. I mean, moving moving Result management jobs every few years all around Australia was kind of that, you know, grass is always greener somewhere else until I hit my Pinnacle job. right in the heart of Brisbane City four and a half corporate hotel, it was so easy that it was boring. But stayed there three years with this fantastic apartment. And it was like, okay, where do I go from here? I mean, any management job that I take on from now is either going to be a side step side, or you know, a step backwards. So, the entrepreneurial thing had always been with me because my parents were quite entrepreneurial. I knew I wanted to have my own thing, but I just didn’t know what that was going to be. And when I first stepped into that space and started on the personal development path as well, I learned quite quickly that it was going to be based around what I loved, but I needed to find what I truly loved. And I had to go through all these different experiences of thinking that what I loved was what I love, but in actual fact it was what somebody else I wanted or somebody else expected of me. And it was a real process and journey that that certainly helped me get through to get to my truth.
David Ralph [33:08]
It’s, it’s astonishing. Isn’t it really VAT, you can build a business so easily. But actually, it’s so hard as well, because you can’t, you can’t see at the beginning, I put a post on Facebook yesterday, because my life at the moment is going like Rocket Power. And it’s literally I can’t do anything wrong at the moment. And I said it amazing when everything comes together like magic or put another way, it’s five years of hard work has made me become a magician. And I feel like that at the moment. But when you start off a business number one is risky, not really in a financial sense as such, because you can do things really cheap on the internet, you get a website, and you get a little bit of connectivity and you network. You it’s not like brick and mortar. So the financial risk, I think most people unless you are really, really Really up against it. You can start with a cheap WordPress site or whatever and you can get going. But it’s that scary business in your head, isn’t it? Oh, this isn’t gonna work. What value Have I got to provide? I don’t know anything but you do, don’t you? You do and when that magic occurs, you actually think to yourself, God, I could have done this so much quicker. I had the all already it was always here, but I just couldn’t see it somehow. Do you see about with yourself now? Because obviously you started off with the house sitting community. Was it the fact that you were? Yeah, instantly I can see that we need a community. We need a website. We need to get some videos up there. We need to link through our that’s gonna be good. Or was it step by step by step?
Unknown Speaker [34:41]
We didn’t have any plans.
Nat & Jodie [34:44]
No, what happened was the first six months in our house sitting who is still hanging on to this idea of you know, putting out a digital magazine that was all about so self love and primarily for women. But of course, you’re all of mine. Earlier, marketing psychology education was just going out the window. And we now realise that that journey of over six months of pulling together all these different articles to put these magazine together was an app for the for mobile was actually prayer and healing like we needed to go through this. All these different topics of self compassion, self love and speaking truth and all these different things. So it healed us. But it was never going to be our business. But it took us a while to wake up to that and it really wasn’t until we were back in london house sitting at the six month mark, and this girl came to the dog and she was collecting money for the ASPCA and being that were non residents of the UK we actually weren’t allowed to contribute because you do have to have a an address here. And she said, Oh, why don’t you have an address? He said, Well warehouse it is. And she was like what? And we explained to her she literally stood there and said, Oh my god, you have changed my life.
David Ralph [36:01]
We looked at each other went inside and bought a domain name straightaway and went, Okay, this is about the 40th person, but nobody’s been as dramatic as this girl. Like, we need to start telling people about what we do and how we do. But he’s dramatic, isn’t it? Isn’t it? Yeah. Because when you came through to me and I sort of went on the website, I instantly for loads of people that would love this. And it’s one of those ideas that you kind of slap yourself in the head and you think, why did I not think of it first. And the beauty of being on the online world is even though you guys are doing your stuff, other people can follow along, other people can do it and it won’t touch your business at all. It’s so global that there’s no scarcity is it and that’s one of the things people will spin like that. And Jodi’s doing that already. Well do it again, but do it differently put another spin on it you can create your own business in markets that already seem saturated. It just means that they are profitable market.
Jim Carrey [36:53]
Yeah, definitely. There’s plenty of house sitting opportunities most most definitely like putting our business together in teaching other people how to go housesitting definitely was by default, it really wasn’t a plan thing at all. We just started by, as Jodi said, buying the domain name and
Nat & Jodie [37:10]
putting some blog posts together. And then we thought, well, we really need a community because there was no place for houses to get together and talk to each other and give referrals more than anything. Go back to every place that was coming to us. We’re like, well, this has to be happening to other people. So we really started the community primarily just to connect with those other houses to say, Hey, can I pass this this great homeowner on to you that we can’t help out? So
David Ralph [37:33]
it was a tsunami? Was it as soon as you saw absolutely, you can deal with it?
Jim Carrey [37:38]
Definitely. Yeah. And a lot of our students find the same thing. When you’re really good at house sitting. Obviously, the homeowners would love you to come back the next time they go away. But of course, if you’re travelling around the world, that can mean that you’re a million miles away from where you need to be. So we now have
Nat & Jodie [37:55]
a network basically, where people can share those referral sets, which is really cool. So it started from there, really? And then we had no good creative I suppose we went, Okay, we’ve already done a mobile magazine, let’s do another one on hassling, because there’s no one done that yet. We’ve just started a podcast. So there’s different things that we’ve done an online course a live Academy experience in Greece that we’ve put together. So these are sort of really brand new things to our industry that people haven’t done. And it’s what yeah, exactly what what hasn’t been there? I mean, all the way through, people were saying to us, well, why don’t you start up one of those matchmaking sites? It’s like, Look, there’s plenty of matchmaking sites and that is the last thing we want to do. We want to provide the support and the education and the entertainment around this, this growing nature of this growing experience, because we’re really into the The Win Win side of it, you know, the sharing economy side of it, the, the deeper level of, you know, conscious benefits. And that’s what we want to bring to the table because, you know, there’s a there’s half a dozen different books out there. There’s, you know, 2030 4050 websites out there that match people up all around the world. We didn’t want to do do what just everybody else is doing we wanted to bring the what was missing to the table.
David Ralph [39:09]
So how do you make your income obviously the people that are clearing off out of their houses pay you to sit in the house for a while that’s quite obvious, but they don’t you just turn up your
Unknown Speaker [39:20]
volunteer actually volunteers.
David Ralph [39:22]
I thought I would pay you
Nat & Jodie [39:24]
know, we’ve been paid on two occasions where there’s guest accommodation involved. So when you’re actually doing your work and and that owner is making money out of that they may passing on some of the the profit share to you. But to do the straight up how sitting is is completely just fair exchange, you know, imagine how much we would be paying right now David to have two weeks in London.
David Ralph [39:47]
Nat & Jodie [39:49]
Hmm. So we just look at that as going well. Yeah, we’re going to walk the dogs twice, you know once a day and feed them and water the plants because that’s much easier, much more enjoyable as a lifestyle. Experience then going and poking out. God knows how many pounds it would be to stay in London for two weeks.
David Ralph [40:06]
So So how do you because I instantly felt like okay, that’s part Avenue. That’s income coming your way but Okay, so now that that’s the freebie and that makes sense as well. So how do you build that into a business at the very beginning you’re in Dubai, you go right let’s carry on travelling, but we’ll start how sitting How did you start bringing income in so that you could at least eat and not just be sitting in people’s houses watching Netflix?
Nat & Jodie [40:32]
Well, thankfully, I did have a little bit of you know, online experience when we started all this. So outside of the the initial when we finally got to London after Dubai, I got really sick. So it was a real release of everything that had gone on with the stress of that for the previous time. So the first sort of, how do we buy groceries actually came from selling some personal jewellery you know, and it’s a pair of earrings and a gold bangle in it’s like, oh, we’ve got a month worth rupees to eat now but when we go to France, we had a lot more time to sort of really breathe again. And and later and, you know, it’s almost like the the creative space started opening. So getting online, I started providing some press release services, so I just do the contracting type of work. And then that built into some affiliate marketing of software that we had been using for our mobile magazine. So we made some money from, you know, just going out to our regional network and speaking to people that were interested in entrepreneurial activities and talking to you about different software’s would make a commission on it. So that was the kind of getting it going. But I guess to point it out right now. Our first year the two of us only actually earned $12,000 for the entire year. Now considering we started from scratch had no credit card, no anything. The big question for most people is like, well, how did you survive? Well, we travelled around the world. And our flights only cost us two and a half thousand dollars each. So we were living on, you know, $1,000 a month for the two of us. And if you’ve got no expenses, guess what it can be done.
David Ralph [42:14]
And that’s not bad actually use it. And it’s, it’s kind of weird that you have 12,000 on your credit card that disappears and then your first income 12,000 that That’s funny. There’s there’s a number there that’s running through your life in there. So if somebody was doing this, or somebody sitting here in a cubicle, and they’re listening to this conversation, thinking, yeah, and then starting googling your website and looking around, is it something that you’ve got us go well, for the first year, it’s going to be a struggle, but it gets easier or is it something that people can do reasonably quickly? If they learn the right ways? they contact you they could buy into the community?
Nat & Jodie [42:54]
Well, if you actually when I first started working online, I had You know, a fixed address, I had a mortgage I had all my bills to pay. And even though I did have money at the time to put into starting my business, it was a constant pressure every month of having to come up with these expenses. So the huge difference about starting this business this time was that we didn’t have any outgoings there were no monthly outgoings. So to get small wins of you know, oh, you know, we just made $50 on a hosting affiliate, or, you know, here’s like, a couple of hundred dollars for doing a press release. Those little amounts didn’t suddenly disappear into into utility bills. They were just like, Oh, this is ours like this a bar grocery and let’s put bla bla bla wanting some chocolate. So it really is more affordable to start a business from scratch while travelling, particularly using housesitting because not only does it open up a whole lot more creative space for you, because you’re not having this pressure on your shoulders of having too many Meet your monthly bills. Yeah. And if you have got you’re in place and you do want to experience the travel thing and even if it’s not with house sitting, you know, rent your house out wherever you are, go and live in Southeast Asia or somewhere really cheap or Mexico or somewhere that’s really cheap. And you’ll find that if you know exactly that your monthly expenses are so little, you’ve got all this extra creative energy to put into your work and you will hustle. Now I believe anybody needs to do what we did in starting from absolute scratch, you know, that is just like that’s our journey, our experience, nobody else would do that. Because if you establish on travelling, you would have some kind of backup, some kind of safety net money wise or credit card wise or anything. So starting something, even if it doesn’t work out, do it for 12 months, see if it’s going to be okay and see just how much more flow you find in your life because your eyes open to life itself through travel, the experiences that you haven’t you getting out of your comfort zone
David Ralph [45:00]
But the beauty of what you did and I mentioned this song a lot because I just love this one line and it’s a Janis Joplin song me and Bobby McGee. And it says freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose. And I love that because the fact that you had nothing is liberating the fact that you had nothing gives you opportunities that pay maybe you wouldn’t have had, if you’ve got like five or 10,000 pounds. It’s kind of restricted somehow, to have a springboard to start because you want to use it so wisely. You don’t want to make mistakes, but if you’ve got nothing, it doesn’t matter, does it?
Jim Carrey [45:37]
No, that’s it. That’s a very good way of looking at it. I think that yeah, it’s actually a gift that we didn’t have money because it wasn’t just a one off. We didn’t have money we for the last two years, pretty much I’ve got down to zero quite a few times. And I mean zero. So you know, to the point of oh my god at seven o’clock at night in New York City and we have to go and find a jeweller to sell this bangle because we can’t get to JFK tomorrow because we got to fly.
David Ralph [46:03]
And that is that kind of an adventure every time now you’ve done it numerous times. Do you just kind of go? Yeah, okay, we can do this, or do you still think so? So you don’t get to the point going, Oh, why? Okay, this is my last item of clothing and I’ve got to sell this. You, you, you’re keeping the kind of valuable stuff for a rainy day?
Nat & Jodie [46:23]
None anymore. No, I mean, I feel that we had that experience. It’s like we need we needed to do that through those first, you know, year and a half, two years. No more, you know, now it’s like, oh, we’re ready for new experiences we’ve done and us to take that box, we can talk about it, but I don’t feel to keep doing it by any means. You know, our business is now finally getting off the ground. We are now getting a more regular income. And it’s still not huge, but it’s a good starting point.
David Ralph [46:50]
But let’s play the words. Now. The whole show is the reason why we called it Join Up Dots. And these are the words that Steve Jobs said back in 2005. And as always, I’ll be fascinating. To get the guests spin on it, and today, we’ve got two of you. So it’s double whammy. This is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [47:06]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [47:41]
So does it make all the difference? God?
Nat & Jodie [47:44]
Absolutely. I love the reflective space. I love looking back and saying the Join Up Dots and, and going wow, that’s why that happened. That’s what happened. It’s it’s inspiring. And it’s exactly what happened. I mean, when I first met Matt, she had these huge national No geographic maps, Atlas maps on the wall and I was like, Oh my god, I found my kindred spirit.
David Ralph [48:09]
And is it a trust is a faith that it’s going to work out now? Or have you always had this deep sort of says when he looks back, you’ve got to buy into something. You’ve got to believe that it’s going to work. Does that get easier as you move through?
Jim Carrey [48:24]
Yeah, definitely does. Yeah. Excuse me. I think when we first started out, it was really just quite haphazard. And I was like, yeah, let’s give this a go type thing. But as we’ve gone on, definitely getting clearer and clearer visions about where it’s headed, and what we’re creating. And I guess it’s getting a little bit further out, like I can see sort of further into the next year or so about where our business is heading now and stuff like
Nat & Jodie [48:50]
that, but only because we’ve looked backwards and we really joined up a lot of dots. And even before we met, we had this sort of synchronicity path on no way we first looked at wealth creation, when we went into personal development when we moved more into the continent consciousness teaching, we’re doing it on this parallel kind of aspect until we actually came together. And, you know, it’s been an absolute gift to to not only find my kindred spirit here, but my true reflection, which has allowed me to fall in love with me, which is something that I had lost, you know, a long time ago.
David Ralph [49:28]
Where’s it gonna take you, Ben? So if we asked a question, I suppose First of all, which I always like to ask, What is your big dot that has led to this point? And then I’m gonna ask Matt, Matt. Matt, what’s your big dot that led to this point? And while she’s talking, Jody, where is your next big dot that you’re aiming for?
Jim Carrey [49:49]
Actually, we’re gonna swap those around. Joey’s gonna answer the first one. Second one
Unknown Speaker [49:58]
Okay. Oh my god.
Jim Carrey [50:03]
I think it was probably sitting on the train
on New Year’s Day 2013 correct me if I’m wrong. And God had. We’ve had a big night on New Year’s Eve, and she woke me up. And she said, I’ve just signed up to a house hunting site. And I was like, oh, okay, because we had talked about house setting. And she really didn’t show much interest. I was the one that’s sort of going on. She did this house, anything sounds really cool. And so she, she woke me up. And she said, I’ve joined this house hunting site. So we actually sat there. And we started looking to the site and looking at all the different assignments and stuff like that. They were on the books, and I was like, Oh, my God, we can go to Panama. And we can go to Costa Rica, and we can go to Malaysia. And it’s like, all these different countries. And it’s like, oh, my God, like, it was like it was just like a whole smorgasbord of travel opportunities suddenly opened up in front of us and they were free. You could Go and stay there for free. And it was like, Oh my god, this is. And I think for the first time, because we’d been through all the device stuff, we actually just, I don’t know, we were like kids again, it was like Christmas take this was like, wow, this is like really exciting. Like, how cool is this? So that was, I think, a big shift for us, after such a long time of really feeling the pressure of what was happening financially in Dubai and suddenly just seeing the possibilities.
David Ralph [51:27]
And what about your big dot going forward, man, where where’s the next big aim?
Nat & Jodie [51:32]
Well, definitely something that is been I’ve talked about never was really thinking about what it was meaning but for many years now, I’ve said okay, if it comes down to really doing what you love, I just want to speak and I’ve done a number of webinars and things like that. But until just three nights ago on Monday night, we actually stood in front of 40 people in spite of Oh my David I had stage fright like you believe but I feel Big Data was a huge thing, because now I know I need to do the work to actually do what I’ve been talking about for the last 10 years is that I do want to speak. And yeah, I think that’s where we’re going. We had even that wasn’t a fantastic experience for me not really shown. And we just know that getting out there and sharing our story and making an impact from having had these direct experience so that we can help people tap in and actually come and have live immersion experiences with this as well. So we do actually have our first retreat coming up just outside of Rome in October, but every year now we have the space in grace through the winter for people to come and have a direct experience with us, which gives them a reference which is usually the first thing you need to get started and hassling. So we’re liking the combination of combining networking and having live real experiences with other people but also that, that sharing that passing on about knowledge and actions variances in wisdom, you know, through through the channels of, quote unquote teaching. But I think more just that telling our story is more important to us right now.
David Ralph [53:10]
You to feel blessed, don’t you? You’re blessed in your relationship. You’re blessed at where you are. He just seems right from this side of the microphone.
Unknown Speaker [53:18]
Yeah, definitely. It feels level. Yeah, definitely does.
David Ralph [53:21]
Well, this is the bit that we’ve been leading up to because this is the part we called a sermon on the mount when we send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self bringing us to the end of the show, and we decided at the beginning, but Nat is going to be our time traveller today. So I’m going to play the theme tune and when it fades and that you’re up. This is the Sermon on the mic.
Jim Carrey [54:03]
six year old Matt. Wow, look at you, you’re crazy cat, you’re full of adventure. And I don’t know, I think it’s just really interesting to, to see how you have such a Lust for Life. And I think the biggest thing you know is not to forget that because the feelings that you’ve got right now that you’re different that that life that you’re seeing with people going to work and doing the 40 hour thing, you know, each day is I don’t know, it’s not you is definitely not used to the feelings that you’re having. It’s actually true for you to question things and to not be the same that you’re seeing out there that everybody’s doing. And I don’t follow that. Don’t give up on that because What you’re feeling is actually true for you. And you have to follow that wherever you go.
David Ralph [55:06]
Ladies, what’s the number one best way that our audience who have been listening to you for nearly an hour can connect with you?
Nat & Jodie [55:14]
The website is house sitting world. So three words house sitting world.com, every avenue that bleeds out of that directory will find us everywhere. So, what we’ve what we’ve got in now we have our products and our social media, and it’s sold a house sitting world calm.
David Ralph [55:33]
And of course, you can find all the links to all the social media on the show notes as well. Thank you so much, ladies for spending time with us today. joining up those dots and please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Nat & Jodie thank you so much.
Nat & Jodie [55:52]
Thank you, thanks.
David Ralph [55:56]
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