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Introducing Badou Kane
Badou Kane is todays guest joining us on Join Up Dots podcast interview.
He is a man who is tackling an issue that is in so many ways bigger than one man can tackle.
But that is not stopping him.
In fact the enormity seems to spur him on to greater and greater achievements.
From his home in Senegal Africa, he has founded R.I.S.E an organisation.
This is to help counter the unemployment issue that is affecting so many young adults and their families in his country.
He is trying to inspire and encourage a new generation of Young Africans to believe that they can become entrepreneurial and create their own incomes.
He is trying to change mind-sets, so the unemployed can start thinking of ways of creating their own economy and changing their own lives.
How The Dots Joined Up For Badou
What makes this program so fascinating is how our guest brings together education, fitness, Language studies, inspiration and communication to give his students the greatest chance to achieve.
He builds a foundation of achievement before certifying the students as graduating his course and setting them off to go for their dreams.
So what was it that got the fires burning to start establishing these centres across Africa?
And how did he overcome those initial fears that stop so many great ideas from even finding their first faltering steps.
Well lets find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Mr Badou Kane
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Badou Kane such as:
How he has developed and fine tuned the assessment process to find the diamonds in his organisation – The A player students that will change the world.
Why it is so important to find your “Why” in life to create a truly authentic path that will help you overcome the true struggles in life.
Why we see it so often that after the hardest things in life, more often the easiest things will follow closely behind.
Why so many people fail in life, because they are trapped in the comfort zone of reaching their hand out for what life will give them, before working for something.
How a failed dream to become an NBA player, was a driving force to go forwards and take the true dream.
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Full Transcription Of Badou Kane Interview
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David Ralph [0:49]
Yes, hello everybody and welcome to another episode of Join Up Dots. This is one of those episodes that when I started over 424 episodes ago, I would have been surprised that I could do this kind of stuff. But we are we’re going into Africa, we’re going into Africa. And there’s a lot of noise in the background of animals running around and stuff. So I’m going to delve into where we’re recording because it sounds fascinating from this end. But he is a guest who is a man who is tackling an issue, but in so many ways is bigger than one man can tackle. But that is not stopping him. In fact, the enormity seems to spur him on to greater and greater achievements. from his home in Senegal, Africa, he’s founded rise and organisation to help counter the unemployment issue that is affecting so many young adults and their families in his country. He’s trying to inspire encourage a new generation of young Africans to believe that they can become entrepreneurial and create their own incomes. He’s trying to change mindsets, so the unemployed can start thinking of ways of creating their own economy and changing their own lives. Now what makes this programme so fascinating is how our guest brings together education, fitness language studies. Inspiration and communication to give the students the greatest chance to achieve he builds a foundation of achievement before certifying them as graduating his course and setting them up to go for their dreams. So what was it that got the fires burning to start establishing these centres across Africa? And how did he overcome those initial fears that stop so many great ideas from even finding their first faltering steps? Well, let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Mr. Badou Kane, how are you Badou?
Badou Kane [2:31]
Great, David. Thanks for having me on the show.
David Ralph [2:33]
It is lovely to have you here because I assume from the noises going on in the background, you are in some kind of rural Africa or always that just the sound effects that your
Badou Kane [2:47]
network is pretty bad. So but I mean, I’m in the city.
David Ralph [2:51]
Did you have roosters in the city? I could have a chicken or something going into background.
Badou Kane [2:55]
Now we go.
David Ralph [2:56]
Oh, I could swear but I could hear a rumour. Doing it early morning. Cool. Is that is that not? Right? Yeah. Well, it’s a delight to have you on the show because you are somebody that has got a story, which is fascinating. And he was actually linked to the show by gentlemen who was back on episode 197 called Oz, my boy who had a fascinating story. And in many ways yours is equally fascinating because you’re tackling an issue that I think most people would say it’s too big for one man to start, you’re actually going for something but in many ways governments should be doing. Why why why do you feel drawn to do that?
Badou Kane [3:48]
I think it’s a duty. You know that my story is pretty much I grew up with a mother that loves to help people. I mean, I’m a one time anyway, kid. We’re having lunch. somebody walked into the house and said I didn’t have lunch in their own home. And she told us to stop eating. And she picked up the ball, the food and give it to him and take it to your house. And my mom told us to just have a piece of bread and some some coffee. So I grew up seeing her always helping out people have been at the government looking for anything in return. So that’s why when I came back to Africa, I wanted to change the surrounding what was going on, like a must, you know, it seemed people that are living in poverty, are unemployed, when there are solutions. So I saw the rise, you know, to change these people’s lives. And that’s my that’s my goal in life to change as many lives as possible throughout the world, not just Africa, throughout the world.
David Ralph [4:40]
So So does that, that goal excite you? Or in the initial stages? Did it frighten you when you sort of had this idea? Did you go Yeah, this is great. Or, oh my god, how am I going to tackle this?
Badou Kane [4:53]
No, actually, you know, because I had a I had a little bit of experience in the US when I was us doing it. So the goal was like, pretty much It was like a bunch of emotions, you know, one part of us very, very excited. One part us very scared. Why? Because you excited because you know you about changed a lot of lives. And so far we’ve changed many lives. And the scary part is, will you be able to do it, we will be alive and be able to see the fruits of your labour. That’s the scary part. But most most, it’s like a bunch of miss most I just get it very, very exciting, you know, because it’s not about you. It’s about sharing and changing other people’s lives. So it’s much, much, much, much more challenging.
David Ralph [5:32]
He, and I know he’s challenging, but is it kind of easier in many ways, because we see on the online world, but if you provide true value to people, in many ways, that’s a quick start to get it going. Is that the same in the offline world because obviously with your organisation, you’re actually providing business premises for your students to study in, but isn’t that true value but actually makes things start moving in the direction You want
Badou Kane [6:01]
now is I mean, the hardest part because, you know, when we talk about social entrepreneurship, the key is to find people like you. So you will find the crowd. But the key is to find the diamonds like the people like the hidden diamonds, people that will cause you by yourself, you can change the world, you know that you can, I cannot change Africa or Senegal by myself. So the hardest part is to go through a screening process that will allow you to find other people like yourself, you know, I mean, so that’s the toughest, toughest spot, but when you do, I mean, it’s like discovering a piece of diamond somewhere in the middle of the jungle, you know? So it’s a beautiful thing to find that that person but it’s a hollow spot. So you have to go through hundreds of people to find two or three great people, you know, that’s the that’s the hardest part.
David Ralph [6:47]
And how do you know you’ve got those great people? What kind of assessment do you do on them because so many people don’t find their true diamond until they’re actually halfway along the path and we say let’s see that time and time again. We Many of the big sort of entrepreneurial successes, they almost seem lost at the beginning until something happens. So how do you find that?
Badou Kane [7:08]
Well, it’s very simple actually, you know, we have a first we have status in our centres, because we have different centres, where these people are trained, you know, throughout throughout Slagle. So when they go to the programme. For instance, if you are late three times, you find from the programme, if you if you absent three times you find from the programme, if we catch the line, you find from the programmes, and there are three types of players because we call the a player, the B player and the C player. The a play is the player that has a lot of will and has a lot of talent, you find it most of organisations, there’s three types of plays, the a player, whatever he calls you, he does that he’s a man of his word, a woman of his one of her word, you know, whatever she tells you, she will do it at five o’clock, she’ll be there at 445 and she’s not gonna like the first 6pm she was there at the 6:30pm so she’s like a go getter and really goes hard and also knows what she’s doing. That’s You’re a player, but you have to be play. And someone that you know will come in, you know, be very, very talented knows what she’s doing. But you cannot trust what he’s saying, you know, one minute he say for me at five o’clock, always good excuses, right? You cannot rely on that person. That’s the worst person to have in your organisation. We call them a B player. unreliable, very talented, but very unreliable. Then you have this CD player, or somebody called the talent, but had has the wheel but has no talent. This one will come to you and say, Dave, listen, I want to make it Dave, I want to I want to just show me the way and I’ll be with the best DJ you’ve ever seen in your life. This guy will be here at five o’clock, it’d be at 3pm then go home at 7pm to mind that’s your that’s your C player. So what are we looking at for this time as we typically get for the a play and the C player and avoiding like the cancer, the B play?
David Ralph [8:51]
That’s interesting, isn’t it? Because more often than not now you see it so many people have got opportunities and with the greatest risk SPECT, what you’re doing is amazing. And I’m going to link to the the video the documentary that you sent me which I think everybody who is watching this and listening to this programme should go over and watch. But people have got those opportunities all around but my family as soon as they turn on a computer, they literally can start creating income and become entrepreneurial. So what kind of stops people what stops them seeing it my way and seeing it your way but it’s down to them to take action and they don’t need to come to your organisation even though it’s a great thing to do.
Badou Kane [9:36]
You know, they say you find that most people that succeed in life right and do amazing things are people that had a strong why now you’re wise even stronger when it’s humanitarian meaning what we have for them if your why is the for example, change your mom’s life or your father’s life or you want to buy education for your kids or better future for your kids or you want to change as many lessons In the world as possible, it’s all based on the Y is, how wide and deep is your wife. If your wife is weak, you’re not motivated. And if your y is limited to yourself, just want to you know, succeed for your own self, you are also limited when you want to succeed and you’ll you want to strive to for example, since your father’s life, your mother’s life, your family, your close family, help the poor help the orphans, you know, help the the strangers I mean, it comes to a point where you take on a big challenge and the challenge is, well, I want to change as many lives as possible. So when you make that decision, that nothing stops you know why because you get to a point we don’t exist anymore. You refuse to be the one exists meaning what mean that if you are thinking about yourself, then you become selfish, or you think about other people. It’s like now you’re selfless. So no matter how hard the obstacle is, or how hard the road is, you refuse to give up. Why? Because constantly keep on seeing your why, you know, it’s not for me, so my mother, so my father is for Africa is for the UK. You For the poor, so as long as you have something driving you, it won’t stop you. But if you have nothing driving you, you wake up in the morning, you’re like a loose leaf in the wind. Wherever the wind blows you go, you go with it. I mean, you know, you’re not gonna have a strong wind, whatever comes your way it’s gonna be it’s gonna stop you. So what happens is if your goal is smaller than your obstacle, then you’ll have a chance to make but if you’re if you’re if your goal is actually bigger than your obstacle, you have a very good chance of making it why because you always see beyond obstacles.
David Ralph [11:29]
Right? So what we see time and time again, I’ll be fascinated to see if it was the same with yourself is most people will start with their own personal selfish, why they want to bring income into their lives, they want to change things. When they get Uber successful. That is when the the why but you’re talking about comes into place and that is when they start giving back and I realise but there’s only so much that they can take it’s time to start giving. Were you on that path at the beginning. Did you very much focus in your own personal why or is this been your first starting point?
Badou Kane [12:05]
Now, you know, ever since I was a kid, you know, it’s like I said, you know, seeing my mom, do what she was doing, you know, it’s just always I was having my hour to do for people, you know, and it was the biggest, the hardest thing for me, you know, because from the get go, I know I want to change lives. But I didn’t have the means to do it. So I know how to fight to get the means to be able to do so. So, from the get go, I always want to be the one that changes like, like a change maker, I want to be a change maker all over the world, you know. So that’s why I always strive for something extremely hard and difficult, because I knew I had to, you know, achieve something great to be able to help the people behind me, you know, so if I have to let you go, because because
David Ralph [12:46]
that is, you know, if you’re surrounded by people that are doing that kind of stuff, it’s so easy, but if you are just one man or one boy, knowing that he wants to change lives when so many people I imagine In Africa are surviving. They’re not actually with that same mentality. How did that come about? I think that’s a key point to what you are, isn’t it?
Badou Kane [13:12]
Absolutely. I mean, you know, there’s a saying that Michael Jordan says that courage stands alone and cowards, rolling backs. Africa is divided in three parts of Africa, one Africa to Africa, three, Africa, one has about 100,000 multimillionaires, Africa, two works for Africa, one and Africa. Three extreme poverty. So when you come into a place like Africa or anywhere in the world, you know, you know, to be just to be frank, you know, it’s like when you want to say when you want to say, Okay, I want to be a social entrepreneur, and I want to change lives, automatically, you become alone, which means that you have to be able to survive me. I mean, I rely on my faith, and I’m a base either based on strong faith in the law, and I say to myself, if God is with me, nothing can stop me. So my secret is to rely on God. So when I’m working alone, it’s like I’m taking on this path, but it’s weird. When you say what Gandhi said, when you first when you start, they laugh at you, and they look at you, like, this guy came from America and say it’s gonna change lives, right? Then you start showing results, then they start ignoring you. And then they go there, then you start moving forward. And now they curious when they see that you’re succeeding in your, in your endeavours. And they want to know, okay, well, how you doing it, I’m gonna ask your questions, right? Then they want to join you. So it’s like, it’s a funny path. But in the beginning, when they laugh, I mean, if you’re not doing something, and people are laughing at you not do anything, you know, I mean, all the people that have changed the world, or that have impacted the world were people that were crazy. So in a sense, you have to be some way crazy. And what is being crazy means means means just being different, doing something that other people didn’t want to do, or do not dare to do. So it makes life interesting. So I’m gonna say in the way, I’m crazy, why because I came to Africa, and timid There are over 400 million people that are living before, you know, below $2 and I’m saying I’m gonna change that. You know, and we’re doing that I mean, since 2012, we’ve changed over over at least 4000 lives, I would say in Senegal, you know, this is it without the people that watch our TV shows and such and such, so we really impacting lives, you know, because we teach them how to survive, how to live above, you know, the $2 a day and how to start your own business and become, you know, a millionaire and CFA is this to be able to make, you know, $100,000 a year that’s the goal. That’s the goal and I’ve been doing
David Ralph [15:29]
so you your passion? Absolutely. It’s like a tsunami coming my way. You can just hear it. Is that a part of you as well? Are you very passionate about most things or is it because you’re seeing the rewards but the passion is growing? Is that you as well?
Badou Kane [15:48]
No, it’s like, you know, they always say that the hand that gives is better than the hand that takes you know, they say that the fool, we pursue wealth, and the way the wise we pursue wisdom, so And you see people always go and chase Wolf and don’t attack the wolf. But when you chase wisdom, wolf chases you really well, it’s like, this passion of mine is just see somebody that couldn’t eat, eat, couldn’t drink, you know good water, drink good water, somebody Couldn’t you know, like go pay for the for the for the medication, be able to go and pay for the medication. So I couldn’t have a house of your own you would have like the basic stuff is what drives me is that the reward I mean the reward, you know, in life. No human being is an ingrained naturally. So when you do something for a human being and you’re waiting for something back from them, is near you be you be disappointed. So the best your best bet is to what change your life and move on. If there’s a reward to be there, there’ll be a bonus, but don’t wait for anything in return. Change Your Life and move on. Now. If they’re grateful Alhamdulillah they’re not grateful. Forget about just move on with your life because people are very, very ungrateful, they will they will. They will literally You know, hurts you if you try to wait for something returned from them. So me my formula is Chase wisdom, don’t chase wealth, and how do I chase for them by trying to save as many lives as possible? And after I save your life, I don’t care if you tell me thank you or not, it’s gonna move on to the next one I saw
David Ralph [17:17]
was this chasing of wisdom, how you ended up in America for a period of time?
Badou Kane [17:22]
Yeah, I mean, magic was accidental in the beginning was just, you know, I want to go and play basketball and go to school. You know, the idea was not to go in the taste that other people’s dreams, I was chasing a personal dream, and accidentally on my path, is like, the stuff that I saw my mom come back to me, you know, hey, here’s what you should do. You gotta go and help people figure out a way to do it, you know, but initially, I went to America just to play basketball and go to school.
David Ralph [17:46]
And were you a good basketball player. Were you good at shooting hoops? I think they say
Badou Kane [17:51]
I was decent. I was That was my whole career was plagued by injuries. You know, I had a dream of going to the NBA but I got hurt too many times and I’m I got a chance to really maximise my full potential.
David Ralph [18:02]
So when you look back on it now, if you was an NBA player, knowing what gets you up each morning and how inspired you are and passionate, do you think that actually those injuries were a great thing? were a part of the path that you should have been on to stop you becoming an NBA superstar?
Badou Kane [18:21]
Absolutely. I mean, when I look at when I look at just myself, I say, Man, this was unbelievable. You know, it was a deception. But then when I look at what I’m doing today, I say it was a blessing in disguise. You know why? Because maybe, just maybe if I was the NBA, or that I’m in the middle today, today, I would have not been trying to change lives like I am today. I mean, today, it’s like when I’m saying I’m changing lives, it’s like I’m coaching the person before giving the person the money to work. So if I would have been the be a male have never chosen this path. We would have never go door to door says in America to learn everything I’ve learned today in the book, you know, so I will say that, personally, yes, a big deception. But if I look at the people that I’m serving now I would say a blessing in disguise. I’m glad that you know, I didn’t go to the interview.
David Ralph [19:04]
That’s the amazing thing of life, though, isn’t it? And I imagine the injuries at the time you were thinking, oh my god, you know, this is just awful. What worries me worries me. But more often than not, as we talk about on Join Up Dots, it’s those moments of darkness. It’s those dark dots that truly are the are the gifts, they’re the ones you look back on. Thank God for that.
Badou Kane [19:25]
Of course, it’s like it’s like in the darkest moments, you know, you know, they say that next to every difficulty. Something is about to happen. No, behind every difficult woman, and Islam is about to happen. So the toughest part is to be patient. When you are in those dark woman’s you know, where everything is dark. You know, you have to arm yourself with patient nations and doors and perseverance to understand that you know what it’s going to be okay. If I hold on and keep on fighting and never like, you know, drop down my arms. Just keep on swinging. Eventually. I’ll get ahead That’s what happened to me. You know, I mean, it was it was very, very, very dark moments, I would say, you know, I was living in some very dark mode, I would even watch a basketball game anymore. But, you know, I kept on swinging, you know, I kept on swinging left, right, even though I was gonna hit. And thank God today, you know, so that I know I got a hit, you know, I came out of darkness into the light. So when you are in the darkness, just armed yourself with patience, endurance and perseverance understand that, you know, after the darkness of the night, that when the sun’s rises, you know, and when the sun is rising to sooner or later, it’s gonna get dark again. So life is a cycle, though it’s a you know, it’s like a dark and light cycle. And when you’re in the dark, you know, be patient, and we’re in the light. Don’t be ungrateful. Remember where you came from? That’s all.
David Ralph [20:44]
Yeah, absolutely. And the circle of life that was in the Lion King, so it’s gonna be right, isn’t it?
Badou Kane [20:49]
David Ralph [20:51]
Well, I’m gonna play some words now that are really powerful and will take us seamlessly onto the next stage of our conversation where we spend more time talking about rise and The actual platform that you have developed to such stunning success. This is Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey [21:05]
My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love
David Ralph [21:32]
is coming a message that you get out every single day to the students of rise?
Badou Kane [21:39]
Absolutely, you know, I tell them that listen. In San Diego, for example, you have 0.10 point 17% of a chance to find a job, right? I tell them if you get a job, looking for safety, you’re gonna fall in a hole. Why? Because at any given day, this job can be lost. The company could go out of business or they could fire You say you want to take you wanna you want to live your life, you know, in a way, sooner or later you will die and leave everything behind. So you must know why you still alive, do something that you like, and strive to be an entrepreneur, you know, and I tell him that, no, just be an entrepreneur, be a social entrepreneur. Why? Because the more lives you change, the happier you will be. And when you have a job, I’ll give an example when you Muslim, you have to pay for the costs a cat like means end of the year, whatever you say it for, or for for 12 months without touching it. You have to give 2.5% to the poor. If you have a job, you can’t do that. Why? Because it’s like they said a job was just over broke. Whatever you make, you will spend and if you make $10,000 and you spend $10,000, you’re not making anything but what you make is not what you they give you is but what you save, so if you’re not saving any money, you haven’t made anything. So I think she ended up teaching these guys. Listen, go out there. Take the risk. Don’t look for a job. Fight to start your own business. This will show you how. right we’ll show you how. And then find your passion, what do you love to do, you know, and then just do it and live your life, because sooner or later, you will die or leave all behind, you must die do something you love. Right then live do so that you hate whether they end up firing anyway, was a very powerful message. I think that every single human being should find the path of what they love to do. And give it their all. If he’s having a job great and have a job. But make sure that you know you have you know you because you could, you know, take care yourself and the people that love you, but you have to be willing to take do what you love to do, and focus on it. No, and just give it your all, you know, and no matter how hard it gets, find a way to make it happen. And you’ll be okay. Yeah,
David Ralph [23:43]
I agree with that totally. And through watching the documentary that you sent to me. And as I said earlier, we will have it on the links. It seemed to me but more often than not the two things that you are really instilling in your students was belief And structure that there seem to be and we’re talking about the structure, first of all, because I thought that you would just be teaching them Business Studies, but you actually get them to communicate, and you get them to do press ups on the floor during certain periods, and fitness. And it’s kind of a mind and body platform, but you are developing, is that a shock to people when they first come in? And you’re saying, like, get down and give us 50? Press ups? Is that surprised?
Badou Kane [24:27]
I mean, all over the world. You know, I’ve had people come from all over the world and look at us and trust me, it’s always a shock to them. No, I mean, rise. rises is, you know, we talk about business, Dave, it’s not just get up and open up your store, open up your business. You know, the foundation of a business is the person that starts that business. And the first thing a person has to have what we call a spiritual foundation. Whether you Christian, Muslim, or Jewish, wherever you are in the world. If you don’t have a source, put your foundation you don’t have a chance to stand. What does that mean? Don’t lie. Don’t cheat. Tell the truth, don’t be late, basically have strong morals and ethics. That’s the first rule. Because if you have a weak personal Foundation, if the person has a weak spiritual Foundation, and we give them a billion dollars, he will go out of business. Why? Because it’s a lie. So if you don’t have a spiritual spiritual Foundation, you don’t have a chance to move forward. Insisting we teach you is what we call the personal foundation. That’s the way you dress, the way you walk, the way you talk, you know, your, your your knowledge, this basic stuff that you need to have before you could start your business. And the last phase where we call the professional foundation. Now we talk about what you’re going to be doing. So let’s say for example, somebody comes to you they say they have a great project. Right? And on paper looks great. Right? You know, you’ve seen somebody that has done it, it looks great. But what you fail to look at is, is this person, does this person have a strong spiritual values meaning what if this guy was 45 or 60 to get to the office, what time we opened his office, he’s gonna work full hours, he’s gonna work late nights, right? That’s this guy have a good heart as they want to help people. So if this person doesn’t have these traits, and that a lot of traits they have to have, I mean, all that are positive traits, you don’t have a chance to succeed in business. That’s why you see people that most of the time, start their business and go out our the best Why? And they say 80% of most businesses, most startups go out of business within a year. And most of the time, if you go look deep into it 99% of the time is because they’re lacking either spiritual foundation or personal Foundation, that money is always there to get started. But the qualities that are required for that person to be successful are not there, which means what? A spiritual foundation a strong one, and a personal foundation.
David Ralph [26:48]
So is it the right way to get the perfect idea with persistence and hustle attached, always better to just have an idea and just go for it?
Badou Kane [27:00]
First you got to have the idea. You have the idea. You have the funds, you have the system. Now the hardest part is to find the right person. I give an example. If I put a great driver, a great driver in like a push, oh, that pusher will never be a Ferrari. And I’ve had put up a poor driver in the Ferrari, he will never drive the fright to his potential. So you need the great Ferrari with the grid driver or the Formula One car with the Formula One driver, one without the other is failure. So what you see is like rise, we focus on high vigour, very strong system, where everything is structured, but the structure without the solid foundation, the leader, the human being that runs it, is a failure. Well, what I loved about it,
David Ralph [27:51]
though, was the fact that it seemed more about how can I explain it? It seemed more about interaction and the answers dealing in belief and anything else, it seemed that people understood fundamentally that it was about communicating and sharing ideas, which is the starting point to success not coming up with the perfect idea. It’s, it’s that interaction that really takes you on,
Badou Kane [28:19]
of course, because in most schools around the world, you go to Harvard, you know, you go to McGill, you go to Oxford, you see a bunch of theories, a lot of theories, right. And most of this guy when they come out of school, is that they have to be retrained to be able to be to work in a certain company. So in a DRS we do 20% theory and 80% practice meaning what I mean my guys you know, we the counterweight is a very, very high unemployment rate. But all my guys are constantly offered jobs in the field. Why? Because they see them as some something rare. So we focus a lot on practising like, practice, practice, practice, not just theory because theoretical stuff Always delayed like delays people always nuts because they don’t know how to apply them. It’s like, let’s say you a soccer player. Let’s say that so for example, what’s the what’s the guy’s name? Rooney. It’s a Rooney Listen, you know you you won’t play your first match until you are the age of 30. I mean, he’d be macaroni. He won’t be why, because his whole life had been just, you know, pressing, but you never play the actual game. So, but because he’s had to play soccer at a very, very early age. He’s he became the ruler he is today. So when you go to school and just focus on theories, in fact, you’re going to learn soccer, but you never play the game. And until you play your game after your masters or your doctorate, it makes no sense. It’s too late. That’s why most of the successful entrepreneurs never free school, because instead of playing the game at an earlier stage, so the flaw in the education system around the world is that you start playing the game too late. So my focus on the rise is very simple. not playing the game early from your first day, you are learning how to apply what we teach 20% of the classroom 80% of time you in the field, apply what we teach you. That’s the idea. That’s why we did. That’s why we teach at Rice. I mean, you will not see our classes in school around the world. You know, it’s very, very, very unique. I mean, we really are developing slike self made people like anybody that lives right. If I dropped one of my guys in England today, if you come in the afternoon, it was sitting at a table in the restaurant eating. Why? Because he would know how to get money right away, in the sense how to survive.
David Ralph [30:36]
And so have you had any students that you’ve pushed out of the course early because they’re so ready, you can just see it, they’ve got the hustle, they’ve got the achievement, they’ve got the knowledge the fires are so burning, or will they always have to go all the way through to graduate?
Badou Kane [30:54]
No, actually, no like our graduating classes like this. You are you graduate when you’re ready. We have different classes that you have to go through different stages that you have to go through. For example, the first one that finished a programme, her name is Fatima, but she did it in six months. As soon as you’re ready, we open up a business for you. So we train you, you’re ready, we’ll put up a business for you. The second one, the in about a year, her name is mommy teen. The third one in about a year or so the father does a brand new job. The fourth one is set a budget in about a year and a half. And the fifth one is somersault. He did it in about a year in in one month. And right now we have 16 that are getting ready to go out also. So the idea is to as long as you show us that you could know you understand the structure the system and you understand the psychology of running the business, and we give you a test and you pass the test, you gone now we don’t hold you back. So the graduation, your graduation date is based upon your capacity to absorb what we teach you. The faster you learn. The faster you absorb, the faster you go.
David Ralph [32:00]
So what did that lady have? That she passed within six months? What was the difference in her? So
Badou Kane [32:06]
very good question. lady had a believable will, because she came to say, gosh, she’s from a different country. She kept saying, I wish she was 11 years old. Her father wasn’t here. Her mom wasn’t here. So living in the household, which was mistreated, right? So she had to, she had to succeed. She had no one to rely on, you know, God, but it was, she saw a chance, and she will fuse to be number two. She wants to be the best all the time. And as much I mean, that’s what drove her to succeed. And our training is extremely hard. I mean, when you come out about training, you go to any company in the world, and you will be a diamond. So she was driven and motivated by the fact that fathers her father wasn’t here. Mom was not here. She was mistreated, and she had to make sure to have a choice she had to make. There was no comfort zone for no comfort zone.
David Ralph [32:57]
And is it easier to achieve because I come from the United kingdom and even if people don’t think it’s true, we live within a comfort zone. Even the poorest people will be given money by the government they’ve got food they’ve got a roof over their heads more often but not but certainly from Africa. It could be a totally different story when you know you are living from from hand to mouth. Is it easier to achieve if you are at a rock bottom? Do you think better?
Badou Kane [33:28]
Of course, you know, I you know, I’m a total I’m totally against giving somebody that’s healthy physically and mentally something free. I refuse categorically. If you healthy and you are you know, saying there’s nothing wrong with your brain and your your physical know your body is right. We’ll give you free education. teach you how to go and work for yourself. Because I’m not going to feed somebody lazy Omar all his life white, you know, so when you find people At the rock bottom, is that because they are the rock bottom, that they’re going to make it, they might be at the rock bottom, don’t have anything and don’t have any will succeed, you’re gonna find at the rock bottom and refuses to be at the rock bottom. And you’ll find all the government’s instead of like, that might be used to give people free housing, free this free that, take that money and start a fund that will teach them how to be entrepreneurs, right? This is how to sell whatever. It’s a matter of just learning how to buy and sell something. It takes one to two hours a day or Father’s Day or 10 hours a day to survive. Find out how much you need to survive in this gym how to earn that amount. It’s not complicated. All the guys that come through it right? They say in Africa. Yes, most people on 400 million people are living below $2. So it’s very simple. I’m going to teach them how to make more than $2 a day. None of my guys will ever be homeless. Why? Because they understand that if you healthy, right and everything’s going for you Help you go out there and survive on your own. Every single person, like living on welfare or whatever, and is healthy, should have no handicap should be taught so that when they own that’s the bottom line. So people down the rock bottom doesn’t mean they’re gonna fight to survive. You have to find somebody at the rock bottom Yes. But has this is hunger i mean is solving succeed. That’s when you find your diamond.
David Ralph [35:26]
I agree with that totally through Join Up Dots, we’ve got a business course that teaches people to number one find their thing in life, the thing that they should be doing and then build a business around it. And we spend quite a bit of time looking at that survival point, as you say, that survival point where they’ve just got enough money that they don’t need anybody else. And then we break it down into the smallest chunks we can possibly do because I find one of the stopping points is people just had this figure in their head of what they need, but that’s not the true figure is it as you say $2 a day Let’s earn free and when you’re up and running, it’s It is as simple as that in many ways.
Badou Kane [36:06]
Absolutely. I mean, that’s, that’s why I mean, we teach our guys listen, I tell them listen. First you got to be able to take care of yourself stop, like the moment the second you succeed. The second you start extending your hand, anybody you’ve succeeded. Now the next step is, go help somebody else stop wringing their hands, basically, learn how to fish, start fishing, and go teach other people how to fish anywhere in the world. All the people that make it right, just chose every single year, one person to mentor in addition, how they made it, of course, find the a player or the CD player, which means the one that has the will and the talent or just has the will find that person and tell them listen, I’m not gonna give you money. I’m gonna show you how to make money like me. The words will change, but what you have around the world Dave is the other people that are selfish. They make billions of dollars And then rather go around the world and just give people money left or right. Because why? Because they want people to be like them. You will you became a billionaire. I’m pretty sure. No matter how hard you work, there’s always a piece of luck in there. It was 99% perspiration, and 1%. Luck. So go find that person that has that mind map person, but doesn’t have that luck yet. So beat that look for that person. Bring the luck to them. And when you grab that person, and you share with them, you know what you’re doing how you made it. I mean, the whole world will change. And then how impose that person Listen, I’m going to help you make it. I’m gonna show you the way but sign this contract. The day you make it, you’ll do the same for somebody else. But people make it and just stay in the corner. They give away money, but never give away the knowledge. Knowledge is very, very, I mean way more powerful than just money. And people love to give up money, but don’t give out the knowledge.
David Ralph [37:55]
So I’m interested on the ABC category if we took you back As a student, what would you have categorised yourself? Would you have been? And obviously you’re not a B, I can see that already. But would you be A or C?
Badou Kane [38:08]
I would say I was a C player has had the will. I wanted to make it, but I didn’t know how to get to a one. I just didn’t know. Like, where was I going to go to make to make it? I had no idea. You know, I totally stumbled over door to door sales. The best thing I ever did in my life was door to door sales.
David Ralph [38:28]
And why why is that? Because that’s a hard gig to do. Why was that the best thing?
Badou Kane [38:32]
Oh my goodness, you know the man that I became today about Okay, let’s say in 2003. I would have done this in order out of me on your on your on your radio show that didn’t have what it takes. So those sales is first of all, it’s like it breaks your heart apart and rebuilds it. You know you understand hard work you understand that every No. brings it to a closer Yes. and brings it closer to a yes you understand that the holiday gets Like, the hotter it gets, the closer you get to the light, you understand that, you know, you have to develop that thick skin in life. You know, Phil will curse at you, throughout the day houses, send the door in your face, it will call the cops on you. And it builds up your character. Then you learn how to cope with people. You learn how to read people, I’ve learned how to exchange with people. I’ve learned how to develop people and I started building a team. So all these things, I mean, I’ve learned tonnes of things. David, I couldn’t tell you. I mean, the best school in life I promised you is a system where you learn door to door sales, and you have to recruit and build people. That’s the best thing that you could do for a human being because somebody will come into your company, being shy, door to door will take away that shyness. They be scared that they will take away the fear. I mean, it takes away and when somebody that somebody’s scared and shy, they cannot go far in life. This does too alone. You know, like we We will stop you from making it a life because most people are very, very talented, very smart. Got the means have the money, but they lacked the courage and thought those cells will put courage in your heart right? They’ve done much.
David Ralph [40:14]
I agree with you totally. I never did door to door but for many years I did telephone sales, phoning up people. No, no, it was tough. It really was tough. And I look back now and one of the abilities that I have doing the show is sort of gained its foundations in those telephone sales, picking it up and being able to have a conversation with a complete stranger within an instant because it really does um, it turns you in a way that you wouldn’t imagine that you would need later on
Badou Kane [40:44]
and door to door says bills champions you know, I have to say them so I said to my guy all the time. champions think about quitting and losers quit. A champion you know when you when you will do a telephone sales. Every time a customer comes set, you want to hang up and just never pick up the phone again. That small act of you hanging up and picking up again, you don’t even understand how big that is. You fell down. I mean, you fell. And right away, you came back up with that simple act of they cursed you out, you hung up and pick back up the phone. That’s smoking builds your character. Most people in life never make it because they quit. When it gets tough, right, as I say, a champion will always think about quitting because a champion always takes on new challenges. Every day that you challenge you say this is your 400 show or 400. Whatever show it is, how many challenges you have to overcome to get here. But you kept on going. You thought about quitting, maybe take up too much of my time. It’s kind of hard. Maybe this may be that you kept on going, you kept on going. So that’s why a champion is always thinking about quitting. But the loser the second, the second he gets a chance to quit he abandons that’s why don’t do sales or telephone sales. This is a person how to develop a thick skin How to go through walls how to never give up how to never surrender, no matter how holidays, you know, you know that the price of success is your sweat, your blood and your tears. You understand that?
David Ralph [42:12]
Well, let’s play the words now from somebody who didn’t give up. And unfortunately, he’s no longer with us, but he has left his mark on this world. This is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [42:21]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever, because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path, and that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [42:56]
Well, we’ve joined up a few of your dots already. Bye When you look back on everything what was what was your big dot that really made you find your path after all those stumbles?
Badou Kane [43:09]
me my big God was my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, I always tell people, you know what, you cannot look into the future without doing a what you call an analysis of your presence? And how do you understand your present by looking at 10 years pass? We look at your past look at three things that you can look at your spiritual Foundation, your personal Foundation, and your professional sponsor. These are the three dots spiritually. Are you person that lies, you know, tell the truth. Are you always late? Or are you always on time? You know, do you have a good heart? Or do you have a bad heart? You want to help people or are you selfish? Are you basically are you a good person or a bad person? So if spiritually you were a bad person will change you And do what we call a stop, stop, keep look at your spiritual self and say, What do I have to stop doing? What do I have to stop doing? And what should I keep doing? You come to your personal life, look at how you dress, your appearance, your body language, your tone of voice, your delivery of words, your choice of words, your smile, your eye, contact your passion, right? Keep it short and simple. You look at your budget call, your capacity, observation and your knowledge, you think has 11 elements, and you say to yourself, okay, look at the way I dress, the way I talk, the way I work and such, what do I have to stop doing? Stop doing and keep doing? Right? You make a change over there also, they come to your professional life. Okay, the last 10 years? Was that an employee or an employer, basically today? Do I have what I want in life? Do I have even what I need in life? Right? And the answer is no. You go back in your past, look at those three dots, your spiritual that your personal that your professional that and then revise those three adjust and adapt your present, and you will definitely have a brighter future. But if you look at your present, and you have a horrible present, you’re unhappy with your present. And you repeat the same thing that you did last 10 years. 10 years from now you get the same position. So secret is what? Sit down, grab a piece of paper and do your analysis, your personal analysis, your self analysis, your self evaluation of your past last 10 years. How are you living spiritually, personally, and professionally? change those three, adjust with a stop, stop, keep right and then attack your future with a much more stronger confidence. Why? Because you know that you’ve dropped all the bad habits. You’ve kept the good habits and you’re starting some new good habits. That’s how you change your life. And me. The common denominator of all my three daughters was my mother because she was spiritually personally and professionally.
David Ralph [45:52]
Did you everything that you’re going into politics, you You sound like somebody that is so focused on changing as many lives as possible. Or is that not your arena?
Badou Kane [46:04]
If politics will allow me to change as many lives as I can and not corrupt me? Yes, if politics would change you and corrupt me and make me into a horrible human being I pray to God that no become a politician.
David Ralph [46:17]
Yeah, but isn’t that your own personal choice whether you allow that to happen or not?
Badou Kane [46:22]
Now you know when it comes to love when you when you strive to become a leader, the choice of the people become your choice. What I mean by that, for example, let’s say Dave, you own a radio station. You wake up in the morning, you don’t feel good today. You say, you know what, man, I don’t feel good today. I’m sick, I can’t go in. But if you don’t go in opening that door, right, it won’t be able to come to work and make a living. So if you stay at home, that’s your choice. Your choice to stay at home. But the people’s choices is they came to work with waiting for you at the door of the of the radio station. So you don’t have a choice. You have to go through Why because now their choices became your choice. They have to make a living. So you have to go to work and help them, you know, see what I’m saying? Yeah. So, at the end of the day, when you’re striving to change lives, the choice of the people that you the life that you want to change, it become your choice.
David Ralph [47:15]
I like the fact that in many ways, your life isn’t your own. You seem to be drawn in like a tractor beam. You can’t find what you’re doing now. Can you?
Badou Kane [47:24]
It’s like, it’s like, it’s a good it’s a good you know, like the it’s like the
Bermuda hole. It’s like, I’m just like, what’s what sucks to me is the fact that you know, it’s like all this land that you want to change, and say it sucks you in and you want to fight. You want to strive for them, and it’s a beautiful day. Trust me. There’s nothing more beautiful in life than changing a person’s life. Putting hope in their heart. They woke up in the morning never used to have expectation. They’ll even have made it breakfast. You know, couldn’t go and pay $2 to see a doctor. And thanks to thanks to God and you help these people today? Drink, they can they can go see a doctor, they can buy a house. There’s nothing more beautiful than that, you know that the mission of every single human being in this world, every single you will be able to ask you, I wonder what’s my mission in life? Everybody’s mission is to save somebody’s life into somebody else’s life. That’s how the word is supposed to be. You know, I mean, wake up in the morning, what life can I change today? Who can I serve? You know, and that’s as high as how you live your life. And so we do that, you know, you don’t block yourself anymore. 80% of your time, maybe even 90% of your time. were dedicated for people that deserve it that needed
David Ralph [48:40]
Well, let’s bring the show to end then. Now, this show could go on forever in a day, but we’re gonna send you on a journey by doing this is the part of the show that we call a sermon on the mic when we send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the younger but do what advice would you give and what age would you choose? Well, we’re going to find out because I’m going to play the theme When he paid you out, this is the Sermon on the mind
Unknown Speaker [49:11]
with the best bit of the show.
Badou Kane [49:27]
So David, I would tell him his best simple attempt to sit down right now grab a pen and piece of paper and do an analysis of their past, spiritually, how are they living? personally? How are they living? professionally? How are they living? Right? If they don’t like what they see they have to change it. Right? Do what we call a stop, stop, keep, what should I stop doing? What should I start doing and what should I keep doing? Right? Change it in the present, and eventually, eventually they will succeed and have a brighter future. You’re gonna have a brighter future if you do what you were doing during in during a horrible past. Right. So that’s pretty much what I have for everybody. You know hope that God helps you guys in your path. Never give up, never surrender. Understand that after the night comes the day after date comes with night, one Christian theatre, so never give up, never surrender, always have faith and keep on fighting.
David Ralph [50:16]
It’s never open to the fat lady sings was the number one best way that our audience can connect with you,
Badou Kane [50:21]
oh, through my email, the one that I gave you, or they’re also on facebook, facebook, my Facebook is can be a d, o, u, k and E or my email is a email@example.com. The same one I gave you be a Do you UK and e a g gmail.com. And my phone number is in Senegal to 1765875097.
David Ralph [50:47]
We’ll have all the links on the show notes below. Thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining up those dots and please come back again when you join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our paths it’s the best way to build it. futures buddy. Thank you so much.
Badou Kane [51:02]
Thanks for having me, David. Be blessed.
David Ralph [51:07]
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