Heather Ann Havenwood Joins Us On The Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast
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Introducing Heather Ann Havenwood
Heather Ann Havenwood is today’s guest joining us on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots podcast.
When I was a young man, I’m sure that I would have died and gone to heaven if I could have had a sexy boss come into my office.
I may not have got a lot of work done, but still it would have been a nice to have.
So imagine my delight that I get to invite a lady onto today’s episode of Join Up Dots, who is the Author of…Sexy Boss Inc Manifesto: Transform From Broke, Frustrated and Bored to Living Fearless, Fulfilled and Financially Free
, and also The Game of Dating: Just for Men. “The Ultimate Secrets on How to Date Your Dream Woman Today” Buy it Now.
But these movements that she has created with her publications isn’t about the old bumping and grinding.
Its about taking control of your life and going for it
As she says “Let’s Get One Thing Clear…. Girl, you are sexy. Damn sexy, in fact!
But being sexy is NOT just about looks, or about sex, for that matter.
At the highest level, being sexy is about getting off your butt, stopping the whining and excuses and reclaiming your God-given power.”
How The Dots Joined Up For Heather
And she is certainly doing that, with her business going from strength to strength.
As a serial entrepreneur she is regarded as a top authority on internet marketing, business strategies and marketing, and since 2006 she started, developed and grew an online information marketing publishing company from ground zero to over $1 million in sales in less than 12 months.
Starting without a list, a product, a name or an offer, she has changed her life dramatically.
And as we see time and time again on Join Up Dots, she appears to be loving her life, and playing firmly in the sweet spot.
So when did she realise that sexual power, was something that she could package in a different way to appeal to a new market?
And with all the things that she has on her plate, what would she say is the one thing that she wouldn’t ever stop doing, even if she didn’t get paid for it anymore?
Well lets find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots, with the one and only Heather Ann Havenwood.
Show Highlights
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Heather Ann Havenwood such as:
Why so many people realise in their 40’s that it’s time to reclaim their authentic power and start the process of completely playing to their strengths.
What the meaning “Say what you aren’t saying!” means to Heather Ann, and why it is a complete game-changer when you start to do just that.
Why Heather believes that failure is key in life, and how she laughs at what she did wrong in her life, but wouldn’t have it any other way.
And lastly….
Why she is totally empowered by the thought of being a content creator and having the ability to make her own commerce.
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Intro [0:00]
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes, hello, everybody and welcome to another edition of Join Up Dots. This is ladies day today. I’m locking myself in my recording studio. And I’m spending a whole day with strange ladies who actually get out of bed earlier than my own daughters, which is an absolute godsend. I don’t know how I’ve managed this one. But today’s lady she is she’s a very special lady because I’ll be honest with you when I was a young man, I’m sure that I would have died and gone to heaven. If I could have had a sexy boss come into my office. I might not have got a lot of work done. But still it’s certainly been nice to have. So imagine my delight but I get to By lady on to today’s episode of Join Up Dots who is the author of sexy boss manifesto transformed from broke, frustrated and bored to living fear this fulfilled and financially free and also the game of dating just for men the ultimate secrets on how to date your dream woman today. Buy it now gone guys go out and buy it now. But I mean these moments, these these movements that she’s created with our publications, it isn’t actually about the old bumping and grinding is about taking control of your life and going for it. As she says, Let’s get one thing clear. I’m gonna do it girls, boys. Let’s get one thing clear girl, you are sexy damn sexy, in fact, but being sexy is not just about looks or that sex for that matter. At the highest level. Being sexy is about getting off your butt stopping the whining and excuses and reclaiming your God given power doesn’t help. Female that was but there you go. And she is certainly doing that with a business going from strength to strength. As a serial entrepreneur, she’s regarded as a Hop authority on internet marketing business strategies. And since 2006, she started developed and grew an online information marketing publishing company from ground zero to over 1 million in sales in less than 12 months starting without a list, a product a name or an offer. She has changed her life dramatically. And as we see time and time again on Join Up Dots he appears to be loving alive and playing firmly in the sweet spot. So when did she realise that sexual power was something that she could package in a different way to appeal to a new market? And with all the things that she has on her plate, what would she say is the one thing that she wouldn’t ever stop doing? Even if you didn’t get paid for it anymore? But let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up does with the one and only Heather Ann Havenwood? How are you Heather Ann?
Heather Ann Havenwood [2:46]
I’m Wonderful. Thank you. Thank you for that beautiful introduction. honoured.
David Ralph [2:50]
It was a bit long though once I got into it. I thought this is an epic, it didn’t seem as long when I was writing it.
Heather Ann Havenwood [2:58]
It’s really good. I liked the ladies day. Ladies Night like that.
David Ralph [3:03]
I’ve got you, obviously, I’ve dragged you out of bed and then straight. After this episode, I’ve got a lady called Ross savage who’s the first lady to roll across every ocean on Earth. Oh, wow, exciting days, but um, it’s one of those things that you as a man, and this is going to be totally sexist. So I do apologise.
Heather Ann Havenwood [3:24]
Oh good, let’s go for I love that.
David Ralph [3:25]
I’m gonna get straight into it. But yes, I still had this kind of the not the weaker sense that that’s the wrong way of saying it. But I can’t believe certain ladies can do that kind of stuff row across oceans, get to the other side and then decide to do it again. Are you at the point now, but you can see that anyone who’s got greatness in them, it doesn’t matter their upbringing, their sexuality, whatever,
Heather Ann Havenwood [3:52]
huh? Oh, absolutely. I know. I’m not going to go out and start rolling across the country across the US to that, but I will We’ll say, in my experience of life is that I think many times I’ve had to bootstrap myself, I think over and over and over again. And through that time you start to see, I think, because I just turned 40 a few months ago, and I think there’s a cross, when you turn 40, you’re like, wow, I can, I can’t really do anything, I just need to do it. You know, and I think the 20s and 30s are the design of your life is to bump up against a lot of stuff. I think that’s the design of 20s and 30s. I really don’t think that people really become successful in life until they’re 40. In fact, they can grow rich Napoleon Hill actually talks about that in his book, that the quote unquote man because it was it was written in the 30s the man man does not really become successful until after his 40 because he’s, he calls it ingrained in sexuality ingrained in who he is his self confidence, all these things kind of line up. So absolutely. Women to
David Ralph [4:52]
women. Actually, you’re right though because I quote that in thinking Grow Rich a lot, because I don’t know if it is exactly See what he’s saying? Or the fact that you suddenly think, Oh my god, I might have had more than I’ve got left now I’m 45 years old, I still feel like I’m a young man. And I still feel like I’m a 16 year old. But there is this thing in me now that I kind of think, bloody hell, I gotta get going. Because, you know, I’ve got to leave my legacy, which I never had in the 20s. It was just, I kind of lived life went down the pub in the evening had lovely holidays, and just sort of just existed somehow. So is it the same with ladies as well? You hit that 40 and you think Come on, girls better get going?
Heather Ann Havenwood [5:33]
Yeah, I definitely. I think as a career level, that’s when women start to thrive. It’s when they start to own businesses is when they start to say I could do what the heck I want, I think in their 20s and 30s. They’re still bumping up against things or bumping up against things like am I gonna get married? Am I not gonna care? I got kids. There’s a whole nother level that men can really put that off until 50. Oh, I want to have kids now. You know, it doesn’t really faze them at the biological clock. And I think women have it. Different kind of sense of that, especially with their bodies, things like that. But I mean, I talk about in my books on dating with dating triggers, I have a site called de and triggers where I teach men how to talk to women. And what’s interesting about that is like, it’s geared towards men. I mean, that is the market. That’s the target market. That’s my avatar, it’s very clear to me. And I, the intention of the beginning of the of the creation of the site, we talked about this off Alliance, like when you create something and then what actually happens at the avatar shifts, is the, the idea was my avatar was what I call Bob, who’s 45, who just got divorced, been married for 20 years, and has two kids, you know, okay, successful in his business, and he has to go out and date again, he has no clue what he’s doing. Like That was my avatar. What’s happened is, is that I get men in their 50s I get men in their 30s I get men in their 20s they’re just like, I’m not sure how this whole dating thing works. I date Should I not date? Should I date a bunch of hot chicks and just you know, have fun with them at night. I mean, what do I really do? How does this work? What is what is related? book like any war, you know, and it’s kind of interesting conversation. We’re actually reevaluating relationships. But the one thing that I focus on is with with men is chapter seven, they could grow rich Napoleon Hill, which is sex transmutation. And I started it in the men’s world, because it’s all about owning who you are as a man. And when you own that it’s sexy. You know, we as female, very attracted to that, you know, doesn’t matter if it’s 25 or 50. That’s why younger women are sometimes attracted to men who are older. Why? It’s because they’re what I call their owning their crap. You know what I mean? So they’re owning who they are. They own their self as a man when they’re 25. I mean, I don’t know if you were a young stud at 25 Oh, you better believe
David Ralph [7:44]
it? You better believe it is you want do you want this pictures? I send them through to you.
Heather Ann Havenwood [7:50]
You know, you just yeah, I think I think average 25 year old guy even if he’s smokin hot, he just doesn’t like know who he is. You know what I mean? So It’s it’s just interesting so but then sexy boss came through that my book and that’s really geared towards females because what I found is as as society here in America Of course I mean it but also I think in the UK is that you know, we see a man on screen even double oh seven he’s an older he’s sexy, he he’s strong and he’s successful therefore aka he’s charismatic okay that’s kind of where we go in our head. But if you see some a woman who’s like that we go to Oh, she’s a bitch or she’s Oh, so that we can edit that out. She’s a B or she’s a she’s pompous or whatever you don’t say Oh, she’s confident she’s charismatic, and that’s why I think sexy boss kinda comes together as owning who you are as a female. Just like him.
David Ralph [8:57]
sense it makes total sense but I don’t think men look at Powerful Women and go Ah, she’s a pitch. Show me that.
Unknown Speaker [9:03]
No women do women think that other women,
David Ralph [9:06]
but isn’t that just kind of I don’t know jealousy somehow is it?
Heather Ann Havenwood [9:10]
oh 100% oh, gay gay gay. Yeah, of course it is. But see, as a society, it’s it’s a, you look at a man who’s like that you’re like, wow, he’s amazing. He’s powerful. He just goes what after he just goes after what he wants, but when a woman’s like really aggressive like that there can get weirdness around it. That’s what I’m saying. It’s like owning that and who you’re when when a woman owns that who she is, then it’s not weird anymore. I think that’s what happened to me. I mean, that’s really what happened to me is that when in my 20s, I was really aggressive and more of a I wasn’t be I because I thought that’s how I was supposed to be. I saw men going after what they want. So I thought, well, I’ll do that too. And then I kind of was like, wow, you know, kind of like that. And it got me okay. I mean, you Got me where I, you know, made some money, nothing like major, but it did. And then there was somewhere along the way that I was like how do I be a woman and feminine and, and, and sexy and got what I want like how how’s that work? I feel got to choose between them versus both with allow both of them. And I think that’s what I think was so charismatic about men who do that. And women have a little bit more harder time doing that they’re either one or the other.
David Ralph [10:29]
I think this is really fascinating because this touches on something we, we talked about a lot on Join Up Dots, that ability to go, I I am what I am and just kind of just embracing who you are, is the moment when it starts to come together really rapidly. Certainly when I was going through my early 20s. I used to play a part. And I couldn’t do it all the time because it wasn’t naturally me but I used to go into a corporate gig and I would try to be serious. I try to so dependable and very, you know, walk around with a frown. But more often than not, I just wanted to creep up behind somebody and flick their ears because I thought it’d be amusing. And little by little as I got older, I realised that my super talent actually was being who I was. It’s what people liked about me, which I’ve now taken onto the mic. Not much difference between me doing this and being walking, you know, walking around in the street. Once you get that once you accept yourself. That’s really when you put your cloak on, isn’t it and you use Superman out each morning.
Heather Ann Havenwood [11:31]
That’s sexy boss, and I think men can be sexy boss, you are a sexy boss, David, I’m officially giving you the title right now. Like the fox,
David Ralph [11:38]
can I bring my wife on the show just so that you can say it to her? She won’t believe it because she sees me in my underwear first thing in the morning and that I’m not sure
Heather Ann Havenwood [11:48]
yet but I think you make a good point. I think that’s kind of owning who you are and od what you owning who you are. I’ll tell you a story. I mean, I used to travel the country with all men. So I would literally would travel The country we go to city by city to city when you travel, when you travel as a team, we would literally go on every flight together. That means every you know, every breakfast, lunch, dinner, everything together, you know, and I was the only female and I came from a southern background. And I remember the first time I had, we get, of course, a rental car or something like that minivan, usually, because we have so many bags, and we got to the minivan and I dropped my bag, and I just assumed the guy would get the bag for me, you know, because I came from a southern background. And he just looked at me it was like, like, gotten the van and he’s like, get your own damn bag. And I’m like, oh, oh, but I don’t know what you know. And I that’s kind of what I you know, grow up about it. It’s like, own who you are and be responsible for your life. Just because there’s a gender doesn’t mean that they’re responsible for something. And I learned quickly. I learned really quickly. The other thing that I did there during that time is I I got to know men in a new way. Which sounds kind of interesting because when you’re hanging around a bunch of men and you’re travelling the country and they’re in, in a minivan, they start to do men stuff, they start to fart, they start to, you know, do stupid jokes, talk women jokes, talk dirty women jokes, and you’re, you know, you’re like, Hello, I’m in the car, guys. They’re like, we don’t care, you know, and it’s an interesting kind of experience. But I remember one time someone said how they need to stop being so sexy. You need to like tone that down. Like you’re flicking the ears. That was mine. And like being funny and stuff that was mine. So I was like, were these really big clothes, like big clothes because I had big movies and I would wear big clothes and i i looked very manly. My suits were very square and were flats. My hair was like brown and back and just I looked boring. Like I count. But that wasn’t who I was. I was kind of like, trying to keep it down. You know what I mean? I don’t
David Ralph [13:54]
know exactly what.
Heather Ann Havenwood [13:55]
Yeah, cause any ruffles and then it was so ridiculous. I mean, Looking back at storage now if I go to business mini I wear what I want to wear, like I wear something fun or sexy. I love wearing heels. I love wearing dresses because I’m a female, like why would I not want to wear that? And if they don’t like it they have that’s their that’s their stuff. You know, I wear skirts now I wear blouses, I wear heels, I you know, stuff like that. I think that that’s what being a sexy bosses is owning who you are not trying to fit in to a current culture.
David Ralph [14:29]
So So what’s the first stage to be so you’ve got somebody who’s in a cubicle, and they’re listening to this conversation or they might be going to work. And they are playing the game as we’ve played the game trying to fit in, but they’re hearing this and they’re having these conversations and they’re thinking, that’s what I want to be I want to be me, it sounds easier being me because I was born as me and I’ve had a lot of practice being me. What’s the first step to actually becoming sexy and within their own power?
Heather Ann Havenwood [15:00]
Great question. I would say this, this is something that a mentor told me. And it took a while for me to try it on. But now I now it’s commonplace for me. But here’s, here’s what it is. Say something you’re not saying. Meaning, you know what you want to really say in the meeting, you know what you really want to say to whatever say, like, break through the silence of say, what’s really there for you. And then whatever the consequence of that is, they might laugh at you, they might get really mad at you, you might get written up I don’t know. It’s like really just say your truth isn’t basically and be okay with whatever the consequence is. Now, I’m not saying go cuss him out or something. But there was a mentor of mine that said to me what power really is, is saying what’s really there for you? And then being okay with the consequences of that meaning being okay with their response. So, um, Because, especially in a corporate environment, we don’t say things or people don’t say things like, well, I’m afraid that they’re gonna, they already they already go down their brain what’s gonna happen, what they really just spoke up. I know this is really how what I think is gonna this is this is the deal guys, whatever it is like you need to speak what’s there for you? And I think, would you that’s what you and I do every day. But that’s now what I do all the time. You know, I literally and I, the more people I upset are the more people that I cause havoc with it’s like then it’s resonating, because I also get the same experience back. Oh my god, I’m so glad you said that. Oh, I feel the same way. Right now. You know, we’re in 2015. We’re dealing with the presidential election here in America. And that’s what’s happening with the with that with the debates all the time and Donald Trump people hate him. They love him. He’s the ultimate kind of experience with this. He says what he wants and no matter the consequence, he’s completely okay with it. And there’s something about that, that pieces As off as a society, because we want him to conform to what we want him to say. Versus now he’s like, this is how I feel. I don’t care.
David Ralph [17:09]
Is he gonna get in on that vote? Because what you’re saying is,
Heather Ann Havenwood [17:13]
I don’t know. Who knows if he’s gonna get the presidential I really don’t know. I mean, I like him personally, I’m a vote for him. But do Will he get in? I don’t know. But what he is creating, it’s very confident. It’s a very sexy, confident, attractive thing that people are very fascinated by because here’s a guy that’s just really unwilling to compromise what he thinks. And that’s weird for us as a society. In America, we like you know, yell at people and then they always conform to what we want.
David Ralph [17:43]
But let’s play some words now and then take you on your personal journey. But I think this is a moment in all of our lives that we get to and it’s been said in such a fantastic way. This is Jim Carrey
Jim Carrey [17:55]
My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. So he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [18:22]
Now powerful words, and it always leads me to a question, which is, you’ve obviously found the thing that you love, and you’re playing to your strengths, and you’re having a kick ass time every single day or more often than not, but did you do a serious thing series of things and then that thing came to you or did you see that thing and go after it?
Heather Ann Havenwood [18:46]
I’m only successful because I failed a lot and I don’t even consider myself successful. And then it sounds really weird, but I failed a lot. I failed more than I’ve succeeded by far. I failed college. My first semester of college I failed out, and I feel I’ve failed a lot. I think that that that particular Jim Carrey. I love him. I think he’s an amazing actor and comedian, but I’ve also seen him in that exact presentation. I think failure is key. You have to learn how to just fall on your butt. And I remember a mentor of mine once. This is a few years ago, this is at the very peak of my failure. I was bankrupt, I lost my house. Last had no money in the bank. My house going to foreclosure, I had to file the bankruptcy. And I had my dog in my car and a cell phone and that’s it. Look, no kidding, like low light. And I don’t and I have a fallback. I don’t have like a wrench uncle. My dad’s not going to come take care of me. And, you know, I didn’t have any of that. So I was really kind of on my butt. And I didn’t know what to do. I was really in a bad state of like, How the hell this happened to me. I thought I was kind of smart or something, you know. And a friend of mine sat me down. I’ll never forget it. I was course in tears. But this is a really good lesson. He had me write this on this big piece of paper, he actually said, I want you to write this. And and I wrote it down. And it’s basically he’s like, this is a licence. I’m giving you this licence is a licence to fail. I’m giving you full permission to fail. And I started bawling because that was the key is like, I’ve really never given myself permission to fail everything I had done at that point, and then kind of little failure. I covered it up. I didn’t tell anybody. I would never tell anybody. I failed out of college or you failed a semester. It was very much of an ego thing to like, No, I’m great. I’m awesome. I look at me, I’m successful. It’s like no, I failed a lot. And I think there’s a allowing myself to be permission to speak publicly about it. That’s not always perfect. I think the worst thing we ask our kids today is when they’re 18 years old, what do you want to do? What are you gonna do with the rest your life? Like, that’s crazy. I just, I just think that’s the most nefarious craziest question ever. Did you
David Ralph [21:13]
answer it now? However, if somebody said that to you now, could you really nail it? Yeah. What would you say? I think coming to a bar and said, Do you have an What do you want to do with the rest of your life?
Unknown Speaker [21:27]
Oh, I would say make a difference.
Unknown Speaker [21:28]
Um, that’s a big wouldn’t
Heather Ann Havenwood [21:31]
make a difference and make money and have fun. That’s what I would say.
And never worked for anybody again.
David Ralph [21:39]
And you’re totally unemployable because I was having this Yeah, I can’t work for anyone. If this fortunately Join Up Dots has gone incredibly well. And now it’s, you know, a six figure business and everything is great in my life, and it’s brilliant. But if this went pear shaped, as we saw in the United Kingdom, if it stopped operating like it should I don’t know what I’m gonna do because I can’t go back to work for somebody, I’ve got to create something new again and just be on my own totally unemployable. Is that liberating to wake up every morning, knowing that you haven’t got a boss to say, Hey, man, why aren’t you at this desk at nine o’clock cold calling on new prospects, like you’re used to a singular?
Heather Ann Havenwood [22:19]
It’s slippery. It’s also scary because you’re, you’re your worst boss, you know? You have to be really diligent and disciplined. I think when you’re an entrepreneur, and that’s something I’ve learned to do. It’s not about freedom. It’s about commitment. And then yeah, I mean, I think of a great, great boss, actually, I’m great. I love managing things. I love managing people. I’m actually a big supporter of what I call the supporter type, your jack welch will become more of a supporter and creator type. I do love that. But I do find it funny because there was a there was a time in my life. I said I was bankrupt and I know what to do. I went to a little island called Marco Island in Florida and I stared off into the ocean for like a year but I had to do something because I had to kind of eat you know, so I My friends like Well, there’s nothing on the island to do and there’s no jobs, you know, so like, go go become a waitress or something. And I was, I didn’t have any waitress jobs because they’re all taken, because nothing else to do and I became a hostess at this, you know, dive place. I think I lasted three weeks, three weeks, and the manager was so great, you know, because I came in one day and of course, I’m an entrepreneur, so I started talking about things I need to do like systems I need to create and things you need to manage. And he just looks at me because I thought I like you. I really do but um, yeah, I go, I need to go. Don’t you like? You’re not? Yeah, you’re not Yeah. Yeah, you’re great. I’ll be your hostess here. Like, yeah, I just clocked out it’s all good.
David Ralph [23:49]
I’m sexy boss at that stage. What are you looking back on it and joining up your doors. Were you starting to move towards your your full power? Yeah. Is the reason you was doing those kind of things.
Heather Ann Havenwood [24:00]
think so i think i at that point I was in that state of like, Oh my god, I can’t do this entrepreneur thing. I’m really a failure. I need to like figure this job thing again. And I did I went to that thing. last three weeks I actually started did a corporate job. I lasted three months, my friends were like, wow, we actually thought two months. 390 days I lasted same thing, the boss, I walked in both bosses, the regional manager, whatever, they looked at me, they go, we really like you. But yeah, you’re not you know, and I said, I get it. I’m an entrepreneur. And that was the day I walked out. It’s like, I’m an entrepreneur, like, this is who I am. You know, it’s a journey. It’s who I am. I’m an entrepreneur. And then from that moment, I was like, I’ll do whatever it takes, because I’ll never go back to not being who I am. And being a corporate in corporate America is just not who I am. It literally is just like, not who I am. So I’m 100% unemployable on all fronts. And I think there’s a freedom to that is also some fear in that because when you are an entrepreneur, you then become a critic. You have to be a creator. And there’s a story about Ellen DeGeneres and how, after her show, remember the Ellen Show? Yes, she was. She was pretty much broke. I mean, she was done. And there’s a interview that I listened to her about this. She said, Oh, wait, what am I thinking? I’m a writer, I’m a creator. All right, my own show. And that’s what was her shift was like, I’m a writer, I’ll write something, I’ll create something. And then she started to write and then she actually sold it to HBO. And then that was kind of the end of that. And that was the that was actually the end of that. So she didn’t create it her Ellen Show and she moved forward. So I think through the process of being entrepreneur, you have to remember that you’re a creator at the end of the day.
David Ralph [25:49]
I think that actually the journey that I’ve been on, I do a lot of coaching now. We’ve got a big platform, Dream starters Academy that we launched recently, or if it’s not launched at the moment, because I It’s in entreprenuer land. It’s weird timezones isn’t it’s like being Marty McFly, you seem to be working on stuff. And then recording episodes that go out three months later, and you can’t remember is that gonna be after me or before it or whatever? Anyhow, I do a lot of coaching. And it always comes down to the moment that people personally believe that they’ve got the right to create their own economy when it suddenly starts bending forward. And I find that I spend a lot of time working with guys teaching them to assess their own skills, more than teaching them how to create skills, as in website design and online marketing and all that. Did you find them with yourself? Did you find that when you suddenly thought, hang on, I’ve got something here that is unique, authentic and is marketable, all the other issues that you might have surrounded yourself with as obstacles kind of disappeared somehow.
Heather Ann Havenwood [26:54]
Hmm, God, this is a great point, you know, I did figure that out. I did have it cut out. Aha moment of, I do create my own commerce. That’s a huge moment when you can go Wait a minute, I can create my own commerce, there’s a shift there, you have to really get to on an energetic level as well as a mindset level because, well, I can create something I can create and create my own income. There’s a shift there versus what’s the job? How much does it pay? And right now, I’m working with a client and we’re actually hiring some people and I’m actually helping him manage the process of hiring and kind of creating the resume and stuff like that. And it’s weird for me when I get on the phone with somebody, they’re like, okay, what’s the title of the job? And how much is the pay? I’m like, that’s so weird for me to even hear that because I, that’s so far removed from how I think it’s like, what can I create? What can I create? What can I create? That’s going to get me to where I want to go and create my own commerce. That’s how I think on a daily daily daily basis. I’m about to build my own podcast. I’m about to launch in the next couple of months. And I do my own coaching. And when I work with my clients, the thing I focus on with them, oddly enough, and both, you know, all my clients are entrepreneurs like they’re, they’re successful. I’ve one who’s got a $10 million company have another one that’s $5 million company, I have another one that’s a $6 million company that are really successful. Like, it’s not like I need to get them to somewhere, you know, but it’s like, how do they shift to that next level, for their journey as an entrepreneur? How do they double that? And they have to take on a new role of who they are as a leader. And they have to realise that they’re the ones who are going to create the commerce and it is a shift. It’s a total shift. It’s a it’s a visionary shift. I think that you have to be able to embody and you get to really embody it like that’s who you are at a core level when you’re a creator. But there’s definitely a moment Think it was actually if I had to like pinpoint the moment, it was the moment when I quote unquote, got fired from that last corporate job. It was like, oh, like, I’m supposed to be creating. That’s what I’m here to do. And when I create, I make money and when I make money, I make a difference. And when I can make a lot of money, then I can make a bigger difference. I think that’s a key piece is a key piece in society. But more importantly, it’s a key piece as an entrepreneur, this is a journey there is zero destination.
David Ralph [29:33]
It is a journey, but you have got the full package, haven’t you? Really, you’re when you say that you’re creating a podcast, I thought, yeah, you make about I can hear it already. And you’ve got the image and you’ve got the charisma and you’ve got the personality. And that is what people look for, isn’t it? I find that so many of the true entrepreneurs have got out there. They are leaders by not by design by reason that other people are looking for them for the inspiration. They’re looking for them. You know, you look at Donald Trump, for example, in many ways is a complete lunatic. But because he’s willing to get out there and put himself in the front line, people that are scared to do that, look at him as inspiration of if he can do it, I can do it. And I find with yourself since I connected on this show, you are somebody that is quite obviously a born leader, you may have had to develop those skills to get better, but it’s not surprising that you’ve got these guys who are super successful looking to you because they’re looking at something that you’ve got, which is almost intangible, but they haven’t got themselves and that is once again, when you become truly yourself and you play to your strengths. You bought it all together. Um, yeah.
Heather Ann Havenwood [30:47]
Well, thank you for that I appreciate I’m really honoured. I think it’s something that I through my journey is I mean, as a coach or a coach, I’m a coach. I really, really love coaching people. And when I coach it comes from not only my experience, but also what I call it others that are placed on an energetic level. And, and I find it interesting that the, the people that come to me, they’re already successful meaning they have this business and they you know, making x or whatever. But it’s almost like they they’re successful in spite of themselves. Like, I’m not sure what I did. I mean, like, Here I am, I’m not sure how to how I did this, then when you become president, too, and kind of alive to Oh, this is what I build a Why am I building this thing called a business? What’s the point of this damn thing? You know, what’s the point? What am I doing? Where am I going versus just kind of creating a job for yourself or just create income for your family? There’s a shift that happens and you have to be able to shift that and I made that shift myself. So I think that’s why I can help other people. I can coach other people through that process. There’s a mentor of mine. I’ve had a lot of mentors in my life and I’m definitely not someone that has figured it out. By Myself, I will offer my mentors along the way. There’s many, I have a coach, I’ve had a coach, actually. Now, I don’t even know 10 years, I’ve had two main coaches in my life that have been consistent. My dad one day, I called my dad one day when I was like 25 or 26 in tears about life to do my work, you know, and his response was get a coach to call anymore. Um, which was advice. It’s great advice. Now looking back, but at the time, I’m like, you don’t love me, you know, but you’re supposed to do this for me. You’re supposed to tell me what to do with my life, you know? And he’s like, I don’t he was actually brilliant advice. Like, I don’t know what you should do with your life, get a coach and also, it’ll help you figure it out. That was actually the best advice he he gave me. And but there’s a coach of mine that said this to me, and I just love this phrase, because this is the phrase that got me out of my chaos after the bankruptcy and started to put me on the right path. And that’s this question. Does this feed my confusion or strengthen my clarity? As an entrepreneur, we get a lot of people coming at us, you should do this, you should do this, you should do this. You should come with me in this business, we should partner together. I mean, all kinds of stuff that come at us. You should do this MLM. And I think we get bombarded. And then we love, we’re all add. So we’re like, Oh, that sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. But if you put each opportunity each situation, even interview people you’re interviewing, does this feed my confusion or strengthen my clarity? You could put that to the to the interviews that you do you know, does does this interviewee feed the confusion or strength and clarity of my podcasts and the intention I want? You put that to any opportunity? And it becomes very clear of the of the choice. And that’s where things started to align for me, is instead of just going after what everyone else was doing, I started to put each thing I was doing to that question, and if it cause confusion, I would like To go and focus on something else,
David Ralph [34:03]
out of 457 episodes that I have done of Join Up Dots, I think that is a bit of advice. But I will quote to everyone because that is perfect, isn’t it? Because when you start anything, you literally make it up as you go along, you’ve got no idea. You’ve just got this vague feeling of I want to do something. But then once it starts finding its feet, you do get those ups, opportunities come to you, which I realised quite early in the day that they weren’t my opportunities. They were somebody else’s opportunities, and it was their agenda coming towards me. So in the early days, I used a, I get messages. Oh, David, we’d like to speak to you for 20 minutes and I used to be sort of flattered and I think always want to speak to me and then I come through and then I realised now Hang on, I don’t want to do this. So I don’t speak to anyone unless they bullet point it in an email and I send it through to me so I get these sort of messages that come through. Facebook’s a big one are Could you spare 15 minutes and I say to him Yeah, as long as you bullet point exactly what you want to speak about in 15 minutes, never get anything comfortable, because that is just adding to my confusion. So I bat it away. And the ones that come through aren’t confusion. They aren’t opportunities. They’re stepping stones, and they’re the right ones. You’ve sifted the gold and you’ve found the right ones. And once you do that, it really does move on. I think that is brilliant advice. And I want all the listeners out there in your thousands to jot that down and think about it when you’re unsure. Is this making me feel more unsure? Or is this really cementing my resolve to move forward on this? And if it is, well, that’s a stepping stone you made?
Heather Ann Havenwood [35:38]
Yeah, you know, one of my coaching clients came to me, he, you know, he’s in a production film industry. And then he’s been approached by this new company that wants to start this new thing. And you know, it’s very sexy to me, we want you to be the president and vice president and help us build this thing, you know, and we’re going to get investors sounds all sexy, and he’s coming to me all excited. And I said, Okay, And how much money I make. He’s like, Well, nothing yet. I’m like, okay, and you have that you have this other business, it’s already at 10 million. Okay, does you’re going off and creating, working with their business, create confusion or great clarity. And it’s in the moment, he’s like, confusion, like, Yeah, okay. I mean, there’s your right there. And it’s probably a big, great company. I’m sure it may be will be successful. I don’t know. But let’s talk about you. And where, what you need to do right now for you in your life in your business. Does this, this new little shiny little object, object, create confusion or create clarity? does it add value or not? It’s very clear in his body, he knew he knew the answer. But I think asking the question versus Oh, look at this opportunity. Yeah, you know, is, is something that as entrepreneurs we do, we like, Oh, look at this, you know, thing that we just go down this little hill and then we’re like, oh, that was kind of a bad idea. They just wasted six months of my life. So that question is really powerful. I didn’t, it was given to me Richard Flint, my mentor gave it to me. So I want to honour him. But yeah, that’s a really great question. And that’s when I started to say, what is it that I want to create? And that’s actually sexy boss came out of that question for me is really wanted sexy boss came out of me helping and empower women specifically on going after what they want in life.
David Ralph [37:25]
Well, let’s play some words that really cement what we’ve just been talking about. She says it in a different way. But really, it’s the same thing. This is Oprah.
Unknown Speaker [37:34]
The way through the challenge is to get still and ask yourself, what is the next right move? not think about, Oh, I got all of this stuff. What is the next right move? And then from that space, make the next right move, and the next right move and not to be overwhelmed by it because you know, your life is bigger than that one moment. You know, you’re not defined by what someone He says, is a failure for you, because failure is just there to point you in a different direction.
David Ralph [38:06]
So back in 2006, you’re sitting there and life isn’t going as you would like it to be. But you start moving forward. And as we said in the introduction, you started developed and grown online information marketing publishing company from ground zero to over 1 million in sales in less than 12 months, which is a huge achievement. How what was that first step as Oprah says, when you’re sitting there and you’re thinking to yourself, right, okay, I really got to get going here, but I’ve got nothing. But most people, they would just go well, I’ll go and work in Taco Bell or something, but you decided to go for it. How did you do it?
Heather Ann Havenwood [38:40]
Well, Evan, to that point, though, there’s a few dots that need to be set in stone is that I was travelling the country doing information marketing and doing direct, direct sales, doing in seminars where you know, late night, late night here in the United States, it’s like go to this, no Call now for this information on how to buy and sell houses or how to buy gold or whatever, right? And our go to this seminar that we’re going to be in the local area, and we’re going to teach you on how to make millions on whatever. That’s what I was doing. I was travelling the country and I would be in seminars and different places, and we would sell information marketing and seminars in the back in. So that’s kind of the first thing I’ve been doing that since 2001 at the time, and then I got approached, and this is looking back. This is one of my biggest successes, but it’s also one of my biggest failures, because I made one mistake. And I’ll tell you that, here’s what happened. I got approached by a gentleman who had all this knowledge. And he goes, I want to build a seminar business and education business set that you’ve been selling. I want to do it I said, Great. Let’s Let’s do this. So we went 5050 and he had the knowledge, okay, which is the product and then I created everything else. I’ve created the site. I created the affiliates. I created the seminar create the product, because he was the product We just we just started from scratch we just started because he didn’t have to do that. And so we literally just built it from nothing. We did very well really fast. It was it was in the real estate market, how to buy and sell houses. And we, it was awesome. It was great. In fact, that business is still running today. And it was around a month, I think 10 I was out at a seminar. And I came back and it came back to my office, my home office at the time, and everything was gone. The computers were gone, the merchant accounts were gone, the bank account was emptied. And he was gone. And the business was gone. And that was a eye opening experience. So that’s what kind of triggered the foreclosure the bankruptcy that everything was after that. So it was actually my biggest failure. What’s interesting about it that Oprah talked about, you know, Oprah of failure, just point you in new direction. Wow, what a great quote. After that experience Cuz I don’t know where I went wrong, you know, I went to one of my mentors, who was very successful business owner and I got 20 minutes with him and Starbucks gave me 20 minutes. And I sat down with him. I told him the whole story. And he goes, wow, I’m really impressed with what you did was a huge success. You just made one mistake. And he actually pointed out and the legal documents and things like that, wait, what I did wrong, and why I have no recourse to come back on this guy. He’s like, basically, you’re done. You know, you got to move on. You got to figure it out. He’s like, but you have built something you built that and if you can build that once you could build it again and again and again. Yeah, he’s like, I built many companies. And once you get the you can build something. You’re a builder, just like a home you know, literally like a builder of homes. Once you can build a no you build, then you can build something else again and again and again. So that’s what I’ve done. And that’s the key is that as an entrepreneur in that moment, I you know, I gave My power over to him to my partner versus me building something for myself and building my own homes and my own businesses and now, I build my own businesses in my own homes. And I think that’s a key piece for entrepreneurs. That was a huge lesson for me. Very big lesson for me.
David Ralph [42:16]
So sexy man comes along, right might be from the United Kingdom. He’s a podcaster. But he’s sexy. He’s sexy. And he said, what we do we’re create this global Empire together you over in in abama land me in Cameron land, oh, God said it was me. So you slip. would you do it? Are you totally not only unemployable but a one person operation?
Heather Ann Havenwood [42:42]
No, no, no, I didn’t that didn’t like you know, scar me for life or not having partners? No, I’m just a little more aware. And I know how to do things called legal documents now. And I know how to read legal documents like you know, have a lawyer. There’s you know, as a business owner, as entrepreneur You have to have things called lawyers and accountants and tax people. That’s the key. What’s interesting is I hear at St. Thomas Edwards, Edwards University, I’m actually go over their metaphor there next week, and they had this thing every year, they get the students in the senior year to create business plans. And then they actually present them in front of some of the faculty, and I’m one of the few entrepreneurs that comes in every year. And every year. They always talk about their budgets. And I’m like, okay, where’s your budget for a lawyer and accountant? Yeah, and marketing, and they’re like, Oh, you need the money. You know, I just like, you don’t know what business is. business is all about understanding contracts and deals and partnerships and being aware, you have to be aware of how it works like how business really works. It’s not just about making money. So I’m not like scarred for life or anything for partnerships. I just think that it has to be clearly defined up front, and really structured and then everything’s successful.
David Ralph [44:00]
I agree with that totally. And I think that’s one of the things that I have learned. I’ve learned back, when when I started Join Up Dots, I had a few people come through to me that were like friends, basically. And they said to me, you know, I’d like to work with you. And I needed the support. But I look back on it now. And one of the things I’ve learned is you find the right support. And even if you have to pay for it, it’s better than having people who are friends doing their best, but aren’t actually that they haven’t got your personal belief. So we’ve you when you’re actually creating something, is it difficult as well to express your vision, you’re laying in bed at night, and you kind of get this inkling of what you want to do. But when you sit down in front of someone, it just doesn’t sort of come out in the fully realised version that you’re dreaming about. How have you done that? How have you found the right people to support you and fill in the blanks of your weaknesses?
Unknown Speaker [44:53]
Oh, wow, that’s interesting question.
Heather Ann Havenwood [44:58]
Wow, that’s an interesting question. Because right now I’m actually moving through that again, in my business. I think I’ve gone through tears. What’s actually what’s interesting about it is I don’t consider myself a web person whatsoever at all okay? However, in the last six months I have taken on my websites like nobody’s business I’ve taken on security I’ve taken on understanding security backing up all kinds of stuff. And I love YouTube, right? youtube.com called in or what I needed to learn, and I’ve taken on learning, learning things I’d never thought I would choose to learn because a few years ago, I I hired this guy out and Romania and everything was I thought, fine, I mean, you know, looks good. Meanwhile, in the background, those massive malware in my whole all my sites were completely hacked. And he actually what I call Cray that’s back end opening that he did it with three other clients. And he was a referral. I mean, you know what I mean, like you just don’t know. And I just think that as a business owner, and this is something I tell my coaching clients, you have to own all of it. If there’s a piece of your business That you’ve just handed off somebody and you don’t know how to go check their work. No, you’ve got to learn every piece, every piece, every software, everything. So you can go in anytime and see what they’re doing what’s happening and manage the process. I think people think as entrepreneur, it’s like they could just, you know, be the very top and not understand every piece. I think that’s a complete horseshit. Can’t say that or should be, you
David Ralph [46:27]
can say, I think you want You’re the sexy boss.
Heather Ann Havenwood [46:29]
Yeah, you have to own it. I mean, I think I think of Donald Trump again, just because he’s in the news a lot. He’s in my brain. You know, I promise you that at the beginning, and he could to this day walk onto any property he owns from a hotel to a tiny little house and tell you things that are wrong with the property in the house colours, or something’s wrong with the plumbing. He’ll tell you, he can tell you and he’ll know if someone’s doing the work correctly or not. He’s not a master at plumbing or mastered at paint or whatever, but he healed me No, because he knows that’s his business to know. It’s he has to know every piece of the business, not just the big numbers. And you have to you have to know every single piece of the business when you’re an entrepreneur today, you just can’t hand off things anymore and expect everything to be perfect. You got to manage the process. So as a sexy boss, yes, I manage everything.
David Ralph [47:22]
But doesn’t let you so have a bit I know do you do you do kind of wish that actually, you know, is every job up to your level? Or do you allow people to do it and go, Okay, that’s as good as it can
Heather Ann Havenwood [47:35]
give me. I’m giving up. I’ve positioned myself into a trainer, you have to train you to be willing to train and become a trainer. It’s like different hats. You know, I mean, I’m sure you’ve been through this as an entrepreneur, you’re your coach, and then your training, and then you’re discussing and then you’re an interview, like there’s all these different hats that you’re in as an entrepreneur that I think that’s something that I love to do. Yeah, it’s kind of fun I think. I think it was interesting. Something from your one of your podcasts. I did. I don’t consider myself funny. I don’t think I’m funny. But I’ve tried. I actually did improv for a year. Like improvisation learning improvisation went to school on it, but it’ll University School here. I did for a full year I first did. And then I didn’t if I like it and then did full full year, and I’ll never forget it. The hardest part for me for improv was moving out of into a new character. Like I would really try to do new characters like really something out there. You’re like a bloom male Martian or something. And it was really hard for me, because I’ve kind of stuck in this like, like, this is who I am, you know, and now I’m actually going to be moving into something that really scares me. Really, really scares me is I want to do a stand up comedian. Like, learn how to be a stand up comedian. Like this scares the heck out of me. I mean, really That scares the heck out of me standing in front of a stage and getting people to laugh, like forcing them to laugh at something that’s just crazy. But I think there’s a piece of me as an entrepreneur that kind of grew, kind of grew. When I was going through the process of entrepreneurship is, it is about improving. Life is improving. You’re constantly moving and shaking and you don’t know what’s gonna happen. You just gotta jump in there and figure it out. That’s true entrepreneurship. And the brilliant thing about improvisation is one of the key rules to it is you never say no, it’s Yes. Oh, yeah, that was a hard one for me. Yeah, I
David Ralph [49:36]
can imagine. I mean, on entrepreneur land, that’s another thing as well, where if you aren’t gonna get things really going more often than not, you’ve got to say yes, and work it out afterwards. It’s very improvisational, isn’t it?
Heather Ann Havenwood [49:48]
Yes. Oh, it’s very. That’s that is a rule. Always say yes. Yes. And yes. And that’s it. That’s a good one, right. I’ll never forget there was there was a there was, I guess a Practice, we’re in there and I’m saying yes and yes. And, and in my brain, I had that the same was going like a certain way. And I literally was like, No, you need to be this guy you need to come and you know, I was like getting mad at one of my fellow actors or something. And then my brain was like, No, you need, but like, you know, you can’t that’s one of the rules that I was like, I have to like figure this like how to play off of this particular character. And as an entrepreneur, that’s what happens to the software breaks. Yes. And you got to figure it out. Okay. Now the new thing is this, okay? Yes. And okay, now, podcasting changed, okay. Yes. And like you just cut it. That’s Yes. And if you try to control anything and entrepreneurship, you’re gonna drive yourself crazy.
David Ralph [50:43]
Well, we’re gonna bring on a man now and he created the whole theme of the show, and he literally did go mad because he wasn’t allowing flexibility in product. One of these big down fours was about everything had to be perfect, but now the company that he created is renowned for getting things out to the market, finding out the issues and solving them afterwards a totally different mindset. But this is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [51:08]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever, because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [51:44]
So deep into those words, however,
Heather Ann Havenwood [51:46]
I do in fact, as I was listening to him It reminded me of a dot that at the moment I didn’t know where the heck that was gonna go. Like I told you I was a did fail out my first semester of college. I think I’ve probably It’s too hard, but I ended up actually going to new university and getting straight A’s and Dean’s list and all kinds of fun stuff. And, um, but I went to this university, and I was in the mark and marketing class. By the way, I was pre med for a long time, and then I figured out like, I don’t want to do that. So I was kind of like, What do I do? So I just went into like, Okay, I’m just gonna get out as fast as I can. So I actually created my own degree, which is kind of fascinating story. So here I am in this marketing class, in 1998, okay, and the professor’s like, hey, she comes to me, and a few other students, like, Hey, I created this course called internet marketing course. And then the universe is gonna let me do it next semester, and I want you to be part of it. It was like 20 of us, okay. And we create an entire internet marketing business plan in 1999, the next semester, and I still have it to this day. It’s called best fit coach, and I had to create this entire business plan, like how we’re going to SEO and the whole thing you know, This is 1999 Okay, and I’m thinking, what the heck am I gonna do with this thing? You know, looking back now, actually, I got my master’s in internet marketing from Full Sail University in 2000. In what was it 1112 or something like that I got my master’s degree in internet marketing. I think I’m one of the few people in the country or world that has a Master’s internet marketing. But I got into internet marketing 2004 and five as a profession, and that’s really what we do, you know, internet marketing. I just found it really odd. You know, here I am. I’m in corporate America at the time I’m working and going to school at night, I’m in sales, and I’m doing this internet marketing business plan. And yeah, definitely connect the dots A few years later, here we are 2015 and I’m an internet marketer.
David Ralph [53:45]
So So would that be a big dose in life when you look back on everything? So again, would that be your big.in life when you look back on everything?
Heather Ann Havenwood [53:54]
Um, it was definitely a big dot. I think the biggest dog actually came a few years later, after I finished my degree, I got fired from my corporate job like the same week, and I got fired. This was kind of a big dot, I got fired because I was doing really well. I was number one in the whole country, in sales and in that position, and then I got fired, which was really strange. In my head. I’m like, wait, that’s not supposed to happen that way. You know, you get fired when you don’t do well, not when you like, hit all the numbers and you blow it out of the water. So what I learned was, I was too expensive for the company, and I did really, really well. And they thought, Oh, you’re too expensive. We’ll just fire you and just put someone else in your place to manage all the money that you created for us. Thank you so much. And I was like, That’s weird. I’ve never That’s weird. That was a big aha for me, but the big dot, the big dot was a few months later while I’m unemployed, and I might I might girlfriend’s couch. She’s got engaged and got just got engaged. I’m sitting on the couch with her fiance to be husband and he’s flipping the channel. And he, he falls on this infomercial. Like, do you want to own your own business? Do you want to own your own life? Are you tired of working for somebody else? I’m just like, My ears are perked up, right, right. Yes, yes, yes. Do you just want to take control blah, blah, blah, come to the seminar tomorrow at one o’clock, we’re going to be here we’re going to teach you how to own your life and own your own business. I’m all for it. I’m writing this down without you know, this guy seeing me and I’m like, I lie to my girlfriend. I tell her I’m leaving town. I go right to the seminar. And I actually I’m in the seminars, a two and a half hour presentation teaching you how to do notes calling real estate notes. I’m all for it. To me. It didn’t matter what it was. It was long as like, okay, you’re going to teach me I get to quit my business and no one can fire me I’m in that was all I cared about. I’m in and it was like three grand three grand, which I didn’t have and but it was only like $1,000 if you are a special So I like nudge the guy next to me, john, Joe, Bob, whatever his name was, I’m like, you want to be my spouse? He’s like, Sure. So he became my spouse. And I signed up for $1,000 on my credit card, and I showed up the next day. And that’s actually how I got into this business. That was the big dot that was the that was the shift right there never thought a million years, that particular day was actually going to change my life forever. Because then I moved to Florida A few months later, and I started I started working for that company, who do the seminars and that’s how I learned direct response marketing is Hi loves copywriting that’s how I learned internet marketing it all fed into my whole new life. Right there that moment, that seminar settings,
David Ralph [56:39]
just before we send you back in time, because we’re at the end of the show now. So we’re gonna send you on one more journey on the Sermon on the mic. When you look back on your life. Are all the dots bear for a reason? Or would you like to move some around or change some?
Heather Ann Havenwood [56:53]
Um, yeah, there’s a few dots. I like to change. I mean, I guess not. I think they always Work together. The only one I would say is with, you know, with a particular company in 2006, I probably would have liked to go back and maybe read the contracts a little bit better, and maybe put some money in savings and just could be completely broke. That would probably been a good.to rearrange that no, I think happens. Everything happens for the best someone, Joe Sugarman, a mentor of mine told me that he’s like, not everything happens for a reason whether Everything happens for the best. And so if you look at that, all the dots, everything happens for the best.
David Ralph [57:33]
Absolutely, absolutely. Now, this is the end of the show. Don’t want the show to end. I say that all the time. But I don’t I love these conversations. I could just take it to a three hour podcast. But um, this is the part where we send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young however, and what age would you choose and what advice would you give? Well, we’re going to find out because I’m going to play the theme tune. And as it fades Europe, this is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [58:04]
We go with the best bit of the show.
Unknown Speaker [58:25]
Okay.
Heather Ann Havenwood [58:28]
Little Heather, I would say little Heather, I would say everything is going to work out for the best. You’re going to have a lot of bumps along the way. But I would say to you at the age of 16 you’re going to go through some trials and tribulations. Just keep your head up. Focus on what your feelings are and what you really want. Stay true to yourself.
Don’t take don’t date that guy, man. Do you
spend more time on the beach? And just take care of yourself first, versus always trying to help other people? Take care of yourself first because when you take care of yourself first then you can help more people. And the last thing I would say is how your mom or she needs it.
David Ralph [59:24]
heparin, what’s the number one best way that our audience can connect with you?
Heather Ann Havenwood [59:29]
Heather haven would calm, sexy boss inc.com and day in triggers calm.
David Ralph [59:35]
We’ll have over links in the show notes, however, and thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining up those dots. Please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures however, and thank you so much.
Heather Ann Havenwood [59:51]
You’re welcome.
David Ralph [59:54]
Now, wasn’t she wonderful? Yes, she got out of bed at a cracker Donna. Lady a sexy lady getting out of bed. cracker dawn and over delivering she absolutely nailed it. So that is an episode that honestly if you’re looking to create your own future, then go back and listen to it time and time again because it’s all there for you. So thank you so much for listening today’s episode of Join Up Dots I suppose the big question is, do you want to stay listening to stories of success or go out there and become that success yourself? Do you want to start living the dream or stay rooted to where you are, head over to Join Up dots.com and discover how you can change your life within months and become the person you were born to be? Look for the get the dream and find out more today. Cheers. See ya. Bye bye.
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