Amy Britt Joins Us On The Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast
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Introducing Amy Britt
Amy Britt is today’s guest joining us on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots podcast is a lady who believes in the possibilities of life and going for it big-time
She is a firm believer that “There is no such thing as impossible and that hurdles are just part of the journey if you really want something. “
And this lady is someone who not only is willing to leap the hurdles, but also wants these leaps to become devoid of drama and ethical.
She is the Managing Partner of Britt Banter Public Relations based in New York City.
Which is an an award-winning firm with the perfect blend of nerdy and chic, Britt Banter has developed a modern and determined approach to public relations, creating an emotional connection with a heavy emphasis on creative strategy.
Which all sounds very professional and what you would expect a company to say.
How The Dots Joined Up For Amy
But when you also see that they also state “We know business, but we don’t believe in the daily grind and we certainly don’t know what it’s like to have a case of the Mondays.”
This is a lady who has built something truly remarkable.
A company that is growing fast, growing smart, but still retaining the understanding that the business is made by a group of people with human needs.
She seems to me to be the perfect boss.
But has this always been the case?
Has been a different version of herself in the past that felt like most of us that she should wear the daily grind as a badge of honour?
And where does she see the true power of building connections across the globe, with the powerful and influential or with the group finding their way to greatness?
Well lets find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Amy Britt.
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Amy Britt such as:
How she recalls at the age of twelve knowing exactly what she wanted to do in her life whilst hanging on the side of a hot air balloon.
Why there is such a power in knowing that behind every “No” is a resounding “Yes” you just need to be able to find away around the obstacle.
Why you stand a much greater chance of success if you set out with only a plan A (Leave the escape route B to others!)
Why and how she has created a brand that invokes such loyalty from her team and her clients.
You will hear the first ever post Atlantic pod casting pub quiz……who do you think won America or England?
How To Connect With Amy Britt
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Full Transcription Of Amy Britt Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes, hello, everybody and welcome to an episode of Join Up Dots. This is Episode 458. And I didn’t think I was gonna be recording it. I’ve had a whole day just blown out. It’s all sort of been blown away from me by different sort of situations and circumstances. But today’s lady, she’s not only here ready to record, she’s just been out for a run. She’s training for a marathon. She must be mad doing both of these things. But she is here ready to record today. And she is a lady who is fascinating and I must admit once I stumbled across her Online I thought I need to get her on the show because she’s a lady who believes in the possibilities of life and going for it big time. She’s a firm believer that there’s no such thing as impossible, and that hurdles are just part of the journey if you really want something. And this is a lady who is not only willing to leap the hurdles, but also wants these leaps to become devoid of drama, and ethical leaps as well. She’s the managing partner of Brit banter, public relations based in New York City, which is an award winning firm with the perfect blend of nerdy and chic Brit banter has developed a modern and determined approach to public relations sounds like an infomercial, creating an emotional connection with a heavy emphasis on Creative strategy, which all sounds very professional on what you would expect a company to say. But when you also see that they also state we know business, but we don’t believe in the daily grind and we certainly don’t know what it’s like to have a case of the Mondays. Then this is lady who has built something truly remarkable. A company that is growing fast Growing smart, but still retaining the understanding that the business is made up by a group of people with human needs. She seems to me to be the perfect boss. But has this always been the case? Has there been a different version of herself in the past that felt like most of us, but she should wear the daily grind as a badge of honour? And where does she see the true power of building connections across the globe with the powerful and influential or with the group finding their way to greatness? Well, let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Amy Britt, how are you Amy?
Amy Britt [2:31]
I’m good and you?
David Ralph [2:33]
I’m always good. Don’t sound good, because I feel I feel on fire now. I’m so desperate to do a show Amy, you’re gonna get me on full flow.
Amy Britt [2:41]
You’re definitely gonna let it energy in your voice. I love it. So let’s get started.
David Ralph [2:44]
I’m gonna get started straightaway. So on that introduction, obviously we touched on so much of it. You are the managing partner of banter, public relations based in New York City. Now what I know about New York City is twofold. One side. I lived there for about seven weeks and Other thing is Sex in the City. Where are you? Where are you closest to? Are you like Carrie Bradshaw part two?
Amy Britt [3:08]
Um, could I be a combination of Carrie and Samantha?
David Ralph [3:11]
You can be anybody who was Samantha was she Oh, she she was the dirty one, wasn’t she?
Amy Britt [3:14]
Yes, she was. She was also publicist, though. But yes, she, you know, she didn’t. She made her own rules and made her own way and didn’t apologise for it. I thought that was sort of great.
David Ralph [3:23]
He’s a key part of how you build your life, and obviously not the dirty stuff. I’m not gonna go anywhere near that. But is it about being totally authentic to yourself?
Amy Britt [3:33]
100% I think, you know, I tell a lot of the girls here when they come in, they’re like, Oh, we sort of hit a brick wall. There’s always a way around it. And a lot of times you’ve got to make your own rules to get around that wall. And where did you get
David Ralph [3:43]
that from? Is that something that’s always been in you? Because I think most people that start really rocking and rolling. get to a point in their life when they realise that hang on. I’ve been doing things wrong. There’s a better way. Will you design it?
Amy Britt [3:58]
Yeah, I definitely So I think a lot of it comes from, you know, I grew up in a very small town, single mom and everyone stayed there and got married at 19 or 20. And I was engaged by 19 about to head down that path and sort of woke up one day and decided I could do everything that everyone told me not to and sort of left the small town and ventured off and now here I am.
David Ralph [4:17]
That’s the sort of could be made into a film, couldn’t it? Really. So how small was the town? Inka because in in England, it’s very rare that you get a town really tiny but I remember driving, I’ve done every single state in America bar to I haven’t done Alaska and I haven’t done Hawaii, but I’ve done all the others. And some towns you literally have a signpost and a signpost and you go through it and it’s like one house. We don’t really have that in the United Kingdom. What How big was your town and what made you feel that you had to get away from it.
Amy Britt [4:49]
It was a you know, roaring four corners of downtown. So it was definitely small similar to what you’re talking about. Our graduating class I think had maybe 150 200 people in it. Which over here is tiny. And I just I wanted more things I was curious and adventurous and wanted to get out I sort of felt like I was being confined not being able to go out and explore everything that was out there. Everybody else seemed happy just to stay there and content there was the way you bought a house down the street from your parents and you know worked at the local factory or the local store and that was it.
David Ralph [5:24]
Did that used to bother you? But everyone seemed content because I know when I did my entrepreneurial leap to this leading up to it I used to look around at people and think why did I seem so happy coming in at nine o’clock and leaving at five and being bored for eight hours at why why do I see otherwise why can’t I be like them and just be settled somehow.
Amy Britt [5:46]
And it drove me insane. absolutely insane generation of generation doing the same exact thing. You know, that Groundhog Day mentality. I would drive me crazy. But then they say in order to be an entrepreneur, you do have to be crazy. So maybe they’re the same And when were the naughty ones, which is okay with me.
David Ralph [6:02]
He’s good, though, isn’t it?
Unknown Speaker [6:04]
Don’t you think it’s far more fun.
David Ralph [6:07]
It’s terrible. And it’s brilliant as well, at the same stage, I had an afternoon where, as I say, my shows didn’t occur. So I just, I just went off, and I just left it and nobody, I didn’t have to tell anyone. I was going, I just bought Okay, let’s go off. So I went shopping with my wife, which is a good idea hate going shopping at the best of times, but it was still that entrepreneurial. I’ve got no ties. And once you get that you can never go back. Can you? Do you feel like you’re totally unemployable. Now?
Amy Britt [6:38]
Yes. 100%. It is quite weird. But I’ve thought about that a few times, like if this all you know, fell to pieces, which you know, it doesn’t but you still have that fear at certain times. What would I do? And it’s like, I don’t think I could be, you know, hired by anyone the way I work the way I think it’s just not the same.
David Ralph [6:54]
And would you would you be uncontrollable as well as unemployable? I think you way.
Amy Britt [7:01]
But the other thing you mentioned is you could go off and go shopping in the afternoon. And you do have those moments where you can come in at 11. But there are also those times where you’re working 1015 hours a day, because you’re so passionate about something for an entire week that you wouldn’t do if it was you know, you leave your job at the office and go home.
David Ralph [7:19]
So so so let’s take us to that point of your life. Because when you start anything, you slug it, you slug it big time, and you do 20 hour days, and you look dreadful. And all your friends think that you’re mad, but you haven’t had a weekend for two years. But you’re working towards something, you’ve got a passion. What was it like in the early days of building your company? Was it a 20 hour days? Was it oh my god, what am I doing?
Amy Britt [7:48]
It was 20 hours a day, seven days a week, non stop. And there there were times. You know, I think one of the hardest things is finding staff and in those first few months, not knowing sort of what I really wanted to look for And how I want to divide, you’re just thinking who’s gonna be really good at the job. And there were times where I was like this is I can’t this This is crazy.
David Ralph [8:09]
And but what pushed you through even when when you were laying in bed late at night, and you in your special jammies that you put on your PJs, but sort of but I was depressed moments, what what pushed you through to get you up again and go for it because I know exactly what you’re saying, because I’ve been through it in this show. And now, it’s quite easy. And it’s a combination of and I’ll be interested if you thought the same. One thing is, your hustle muscle gets stronger through the adversity you push through. And by doing it by doing it, you just get better and better and quicker at doing stuff until you can sort of breeze through stuff that maybe would take you three days in a day. But on the other side, it’s that that struggle, which kind of cements the passion in you you realise that actually it’s not going to beat you somehow. Did you have those kind of moments.
Amy Britt [9:00]
Hundred percent. I think when you can achieve something and you put everything in and you work your butt off, it makes it that much more worth it even if it’s just, you know, getting getting the taxes done for the year, you know, stress about it and it takes you a month and then when it’s done, it’s just that huge sort of sense of accomplishment and sigh of relief. But the thing that really got me through and I lucked out not everybody has this is that I had clients that had followed me when I started my own company, and they were really behind me and really believed in me work. You know, I had Starwood at hotels and resorts at first and then Mishcon, which is a law firm over in the UK that handled Princess Diana’s divorce and having big giant companies believe in me, I didn’t want to let them down and couldn’t, because they’ve been so kind to me, God forbid I got to a point one day I was like, I can’t do this anymore. Sorry, guys. You were wrong. I couldn’t do couldn’t do that to them and disappoint them. So I sort of had a little foot up my bum the entire time to take sort of my love and also, you know, I wanted to prove them right and make them crap.
David Ralph [10:00]
I like the fact that you say, bam, that’s an English.
Amy Britt [10:05]
It is indeed
David Ralph [10:06]
it is. And we were proud of our bums over here that that’s what makes this country great. But, but the thing about you, Amy, is, I was really struck. I’ve been doing a bit of virtual stalking I like, round delving into your backstory. And there’s not many people that aren’t loyal to you. The people that have kind of worked for you as interns, they just say lovely things and want to come back to work for you. And what what instils about what instils that loyalty in you? Because I’ve worked through a lot of people and to be honest, I’m glad I never see them again. And the thought of working for them twice. Well, it’s never gonna happen. What makes you different?
Amy Britt [10:49]
I think it’s two things one, you know if I know we’re going to talk about history in the past, but at one point, I was at a firmware day laid off everyone at my level and I went from handling You know, three accounts to about 24. And it was just going to be impossible. And so I started an internship programme back then at a bigger company, and then sort of tried to figure out that age old question that we all want to know is what’s in it for me, and what’s in it for the intern other than the experience. And so I put together a lot of training. So we have a PR one on one classes, social media 101. So every girl that comes in, I make sure that they leave with a lot more knowledge that they’re learning. They’re not just here to file my papers or do you know, whatever busy work we have, they’re actually learning and so they’re getting something out of being here other than putting you know the name on their resume. And I think that’s one thing that a we see people who come in to interview that’s the biggest thing that pulls them in, and, and to, you know, some days we just have to walk away and go, you know what, everybody, it’s two o’clock, we’re gonna go out for drinks.
David Ralph [11:50]
It’s my kind of boss, you’re my current you. I don’t want all the training at the beginning. Just take a drink in the afternoon. That’s what I want.
Amy Britt [11:59]
We have fun You know, there’s there’s a champagne fridge underneath my desk, there’s always some sort of drinks or snacks, we sit around and laugh. And then we, we volunteer once a month. So we all pick different projects and go off and do something good. So we feel great about ourselves and then come back and work our butts up. But making sure that these girls leave sometimes, you know, I’ll just come out at four o’clock and be like, everybody go home. You can’t really screw with work life balance. It’s something that I think people don’t always appreciate. You know, you’re talking about how we all hustle in the beginning, especially at the start of our career. The problem with that is it’s easy to get burnout and hate your clients not take pride in your work, not like the people around you. So making sure that I sort of pushed that of the girls. Yes, I know you have three other things do but it can be doesn’t need to be done right now is my favourite thing. Do you need it right now? No. Okay, do it in the morning. Just go home. Go away. I’m done with it.
David Ralph [12:51]
But that’s fascinating, because as I say, I’ve worked for so many managers. I don’t think anyone the only person who’s ever said that to me many many years. years ago, I had my first midlife crisis when I was I’m 45 now. And when I got to 30, I’d been with a company for 13 years. And I went in one day had a little bit of an argument with the manager. And then when our screw this, I’m walking out and they went, Oh, you haven’t got a job. I said, I don’t need a job. I can go out and get a job. And I found it a lot more difficult than just going out and getting a job. So I temped. I did sort of like contract work for a little while. And I worked for an advertising company in London. And I knew nothing about advertising at all, but I knew how to get a job. But if you got me into an interview, so stage, I could at least get to the second interview. And if I got to the second interview, I got the job. It was that kind of way. And always, yeah, absolutely. English voice always wins, except for when you’re in England, and he doesn’t mean anything. But this guy who owned this company, I’d only been there this afternoon. But one afternoon he sort of came in he went, I don’t want to be here. Come on, let’s go and not anyone could They just all got up and followed him. And we ended up playing rounders, like sort of baseball in in Hyde Park in the middle of London. And I’d never done this before ever. And he said, Come on, let’s all get ice creams and he bought us all an ice cream. And as we were walking back, I said to him, why did he do this? And he said, because two hours of my time gives me 10 hours of bear time, they will give it back to me big time when they go back. And you could see that it was so much determination from them to work hard for this guy who treated them like individuals and cared about them. But it made me realise that that’s the way that life should be but you don’t see it very often do you? Which is why appealed to me so much when I saw the fact that you want to work for a company or own a company that’s devoid of drama. Most companies and most managers and the middle managers they’re the worst ones. They want to have drama as like a badge of honour, don’t they?
Amy Britt [14:59]
Yeah. It’s crazy that one of the things I I did not like when I was at, you know, bigger companies and even smaller, there were all these like closed door meetings and things would be a little weird. And we all knew something was up just whether they’re, you know, fewer clients or, you know, somebody was missing or what there was all these secrets. And with all the secrets, then the gossip starts and with all the gossip, people aren’t even thinking it’s something different. It just grows, it becomes like its own living, breathing organism. So here, it’s full transparency, whether it’s good, bad, ugly, financial, you know, in between us. It’s all for one, there’s no closed door secret secrets. We have morning meeting and everybody hears everything.
David Ralph [15:40]
So let’s talk about Brit banters. It’s obviously a public relations company, but what is the kind of work you do? And how have you got that ability to say, leave it till tomorrow.
Amy Britt [15:51]
So we we focus primarily on media relations, and we help people be sort of strategic when they’re starting a company or when they’re taking their brand to the next level and making sure that it’s you know, out there as they would the way they want or launching a new piece of it, whatever you might do. And, and a lot of what we do is, is relationships. So it’s easy for me to say you know what I know so and so’s on deadline, you’re not going to get them today anyway, so go home. But to back up for a minute, a lot of what we do is either strategy or crisis management, which is interesting. I actually had a let’s just say, a very regal family member, call me today freaking out about something where we had to kill stories in a couple of papers. So that’s sometimes a fire drill where everything stops, and everybody’s all hands on deck, working till all hours, whether it’s an athlete or a celebrity or, you know, a politician, whoever it might be. But the rest of the time, it’s, it’s dealing with these great companies that we really dig in with. So some of them are startups which I can relate to and I like being able to help them succeed. Other ones or companies that are more established, we do something a little bit different. Hear most PR firms 90% of PR firms around the world you’ll go to and they’ll be weird travel PR firm, or we’re a beauty PR firm. And I worked in a lot of those going through my career. But the thing that always baffles me is so if you’re doing your job editors are calling you saying okay, we’re writing, you know story about the new colours of fall, do you have a, you know, makeup client that can fit into it, you then have to sit back because you’ve got 15 clients, and you’re forcing your clients to compete against each other. So we would obviously always give them whatever client paid us the most. And it just, it made no sense to me. And so I wanted to create sort of this company where none of our clients compete against each other. I’ve been lucky enough to work in all the different fields. So I have the contacts and I have those relationships. So we’re not sacrificing anything but we’re also knowing that for those, each of those clients, we’re going all in they get every story opportunity we can find and we’re making sure that it’s just hit after hit
David Ralph [17:58]
and that doesn’t make a huge difference because obviously, I’m in the sort of broadcasting world. And we blow content out constantly, constantly, constantly. And hopefully we get it on enough platforms that people find our shows, and then it’s all grows to the top. Now, when somebody has got a business that hasn’t got that ability to blast the content out, woods, people have got to come and find them. How do you do that? How do you make sure that they get hit upon hit upon hit?
Amy Britt [18:26]
Well, we’ll go out and there’s a couple things, obviously, we’re going to go out to press where they’ll get a lot of syndication, so we’ll get them a story. And, you know, believe it or not, this is sort of a reflection of the sad state of the US but a new york post story will get syndicated around the world in about 250 different websites. Were in New York Times article will only get syndicated in about 20 to 30.
David Ralph [18:50]
Why is that? Why is that?
Amy Britt [18:52]
The post is let’s let’s be honest, everybody loves the dirty laundry and the post is a little bit more salacious and the way that they tell the stories The time is a little, a little less. So bad news travels quickly as you know,
David Ralph [19:04]
nice boring, boring stuff doesn’t doesn’t move as what you say.
Amy Britt [19:09]
Something along that lines. But yeah, but so we also focus on stories that are actually about the client. We’re not looking just to put someone on a red carpet and have their name mentioned, that’s not real PR. That’s, that’s a mention that’s not going to help your brand. It’s not going to drive anyone to look at your website or go talk about you or, or bring you up. So we find things that actually talk about our clients and focus on those. Maybe it’s only 20 stories that are really about the client as opposed to 100 that are only mentioned. So we really go for quality over quantity, and it spirals in this day and age of syndication and the websites. We just did a clip report for one of our clients for the past three months and there was, I think 1200 and 52 syndications of 35 articles.
David Ralph [19:54]
Wow, that so it’s sort of like dirty news travels fast if I started Telling people but when I record naked or something like that, would that work? Would that get me up to the top?
Amy Britt [20:07]
It would definitely work and get you out. I just don’t know what kind of story it might be
David Ralph [20:11]
going you could make it up. Can you as a lady you could. You know, you notice when you squash a story, as you were saying, Do you I don’t want you to give me names because that will be totally unprofessional. Unless, of course you want to, but um, did you ever have somebody say I want a squash a story and you kind of inside thing? Oh, I don’t really like you. Anyway, I wish that I yeah, I’m just gonna let it go.
Amy Britt [20:35]
And I’ve definitely had the thoughts of someone might not be the greatest person, but we still will still go off and squash it. But the way that we squash stories is is very different. We don’t just suddenly make everything disappear and all is right with the world. We can’t control the media and no one can and people who think that they can or are so wrong.
Look at charlie sheen.
What will usually do is is work with a journalist where if they don’t put that particular story, we offer something else out. So while the person may not get that particular story, there’s still going to be a story, we were just able to control the message a little bit better, and to control the time, but it still comes out. Everything always comes out.
David Ralph [21:17]
Now, obviously, a podcast can stay on air forever in a day. But as we’re recording this, it’s the 19th of November 2015. And Charlie Sheen, the actor came out yesterday not came out. But um, he said that he was HIV positive. Now, that was news that came to us very, very quickly. And the thing that shocked me was, we didn’t just get the news as it happened. We got the pre news. Our Charlie Sheen is going to be coming out with something tomorrow, you know, you gotta tune in right? And I thought that was quite astonishing, really for you know, a kind of has been actor really. I’ll be nice. He’s never going to come on this show. So I want but he’s not so have a list is it really he’s just he’s dirty laundry really.
Amy Britt [22:03]
Um, he’s he’s one of those train wrecks that everybody loves to watch. You know, you can’t help the rubbernecking. You can’t help but look. And he is continually throughout his career crashed and burned in a very big way and then stood atop the burning, sort of disaster and beat his chest. So we all sort of you know, is is the tiger blood coursing through him this time, you just never know with him. And especially him having to be serious, and stand up and say this was, you know, sort of big news, the big playboy who thinks everything’s a joke, had to suddenly put his tail between his legs and I think all of America probably all over the world wanted to see that.
David Ralph [22:43]
I must admit, I did a thing which I don’t know if this is good to add on here. But one of the things that astonished me was that he said that he’d slept with 5000 ladies, and I thought to myself, 5000 ladies, how can you sleep with 5000 ladies, that’s sort of very great. And so I started working out and I thought, Well, okay, if he’s first time was 15 psi, which is quite young, I suppose about 15 and he’s 15 now, I was working out it was like one every new person every three days all his life. And I thought to myself, you can’t have that much energy can you even with Tiger blood running for you gotta find the person first of all, and then get them back into the bedroom. It’s, it’s not possible. Is it? 142 people a year, every single year since 15.
Amy Britt [23:32]
We have to do things in two things in mind. One, he hires them. So there’s no work and finding them and getting them back. And he doesn’t do one at a time.
David Ralph [23:42]
He operates differently from me. That’s the problem. You see. Yeah. I’ve been with the same woman for 25 years. I don’t know if I’m doing something wrong, but uh, yeah, he’s I think good Anya. He seems to have more free time with me. But no, it’s not about charlie sheen. What I want to do now I want to play the words for another famous actor who fortunately for us has left us with a more positive outlook to life. This is Jim Carrey,
Jim Carrey [24:06]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [24:33]
So is that the kind of commentary that you would love to be able to blast out to the world? Is that something that really touches you in the same way that he touches myself?
Amy Britt [24:43]
100% I just got goosebumps listening to that. I think many of us can relate in terms of our you know, our parents. We saw the lives our parents were living that seemed to be safe, and they seemed like they were making the right decision. And then it didn’t work out. My mother was like, oh from many many trivial jobs throughout. My childhood. So she never seemed really happy. She never got up in the morning and was excited to do what she was supposed to do. So the idea of going into that same life just doesn’t make sense might as well go off and do something that I love, and and succeed. I mean, I’m a I’m also a dork. I knew what I wanted to do since I was 12 years old. So,
David Ralph [25:20]
isn’t it, that’s an absolute gift you’ve got.
Amy Britt [25:24]
I was very, very lucky.
David Ralph [25:27]
So how did you know at the age of 12? You didn’t know that at the age of 12. You wanted to be squashing stories for people that you don’t like? Sure.
Amy Britt [25:36]
No, I knew that I wanted to be in public relations. I my my mother’s family is from upstate New York and every year they have a hot air balloon festival. I don’t know if you’ve ever been to a hot air balloon festival. It’s you know, it’s cool. There’s big giant balloons and baskets and you’re in the field with all these things sort of lighting up at, you know, the crack of dawn as the sun’s rising. It’s beautiful to see them go Often it was a tradition that we would always go. So my mother would pack me up in the sort of the station waggon. And we’d get up at 430 or 5am, because traffic was so insane to get there because everybody went, and we’d be out there with our hot chocolate and wander around and see the balloons. And one year, I went up to one of the balloons that was on the field and they, they turn on the heat to inflate it. And so they say to everybody wait on so everybody leans on the balloon so that they can fill it up so that when they’re ready to take off when the weight comes off, they’ll just shoot up. So at the time, 12 years old, all 60 pounds of me said her the weight on it was like Okay, I’ll be weighed on and jumped in, leaned on to the basket. The owner of the balloon, thought this was adorable, and so picks me up and put me into the balloon. My mother was taking photos didn’t notice and then she watched in horror as I floated away in this hot air balloon. Luckily the chase crew grabbed her and she was she was able to come with us. But in the balloon I made friends with the the pilot Jonathan asked And a gentleman named Keith card, who was the publicist for the gentleman who put me in the balloon. The guy who put me in the balloon was rocky ioki, who most people know he was a Olympic wrestler. He wrote books. He you know, Benihana restaurants that are that are all over the place and his son, DJ ioki, who used to play with us when we’d be at the balloon festivals back when I was younger. And rocky had me come and be part of his balloon crew at 12. And I got to crew for hot air balloons and be mentored by his publicist, and back then PR didn’t really exist. So this was a whole new concept I got to write, which I loved and I got to talk to people. This sounded like the dream job. And Keith is still a really good friend. He was a fantastic mentor telling me what to do. So back in my little town in my high school, belonging to Key Club or whatnot, I started a PR position and every single one of them nobody knew what that was. I didn’t even really, but I just sort of found this spark from someone and saw what it could be and then just focused and just went everything I could into it.
David Ralph [28:03]
And was it the kind of the stories that you were writing? Or was it that the fact that an adult had trusted you What What gave you that internal spark? Was it the spark of responsibility or what you were doing?
Amy Britt [28:16]
No, it was it was the spark of the fact that I don’t fit into either of my families on either side, my my mom’s side of the family there, they all play a musical instrument and they’re, they’re a little quiet shy group and my my dad’s, you know, they they’ve all taken some, some of the other jobs, not athletic. And then I’m quite bold, big personality, big into dancing, want to experience everything in the world and nothing but shy so I never really fit in. So I sort of had that ugly duckling syndrome. And meeting Keith, he seemed similar to me. And it was it was suddenly finding a place that I belonged. It was finding something that took everything I was good at and that I loved. And then I could do something with it. And suddenly adulthood didn’t look like That scary.
David Ralph [29:01]
Now of course when you’re going through your sort of puberty stages, I suppose that that that feeling of being different from everyone is it’s very difficult or maybe it’s not. I always had the feeling that I was totally different always ever since I was like a five year old. I’ve always felt that did you embrace the fact that you felt different from everybody else? Or would you have liked to fit in somehow?
Amy Britt [29:26]
I’m looking back and I’m thrilled with who I am. But back then, of course, I wanted to fit in and be part of everything. I was a bit of a loner, I got along with everybody, and would you know, hang out with people but I wasn’t anyone’s best friend or you know, any part of a real group. Like if I was there, great, but if I wasn’t, it’s fine. So then I really wanted to be part of everything that was going on, and tried. I was on the boys soccer team. I did cheerleading anything I could do but nothing really, you know, really was like everybody else.
David Ralph [30:00]
So interesting, isn’t it, how we all want to conform, we all want to join the herd the flock. And unfortunately, and this, this goes out to the listeners because this is about you listeners as well. Most of you listening to this show are just about ready to get going. That’s why you’re listening to these kind of shows because you’ve got that spark of there must be more to life than what I’m getting. But you’re getting it because you’re doing what everybody else is doing. Or you’re getting it because you’re doing what everybody else thinks you should be doing. When you get to that point that Amy has got to and fortunately she’s got to quite early, where you kind of go screw everybody else. I’m gonna be myself. I’m gonna enjoy my life and I’m gonna create my own rules. It really is Rocket Power because you haven’t got the competition somehow you’ve got like a clear playing field because all the herd the flock go one way and you’ve got your little herd going the other way and it’s like the nice grass, isn’t it? We’re all grazing happily. Amen.
Amy Britt [31:00]
We now we are back back then PR nobody knew what it was. So my teacher is my guidance counsellor like that’s that’s not a real job. You need to find something that’s that’s real. There was no college major for it. There was no there was no path other than this one man that I had met
David Ralph [31:18]
Do you think counsellors, especially school counsellors? Do you reckon they should be banned? Because I, Yes, I do. They’re just dreary people who are trying to force their own ideas of what’s possible on on kids and kids should be able to be pushed out of school with opportunities to do anything they want, really, and you shouldn’t have some grey person going. Now you’re gonna have to work in a bank. You’re not very good at this and you’re not very good. I was listening to a fantastic podcast A long time ago about this, um, this this lady who turned out to be a world famous ballerina, and when she was a kid, she was always jumping up and moving around, and so that just Being a ballerina really, as a young girl was, and her mum went to the school and they said, Look, you’ve got a problem, child bear, you’ve really got to do something. And she said, Well, I don’t know. That’s just her and I would go, No, no, she doesn’t sit still. She’s always wanting to move. So they took her to the doctor, and the doctor said, Well, I’m going to prescribe tablets that will calm her down. And the mum wasn’t that keen on that. So she said, No, I want a second opinion. And she took it took her to this other doctor. And the doctor said, No, look, you can see she naturally wants to move. She’s not being disruptive. She just wants to move. That’s her natural state of being. And so they kind of encouraged it. And she ended up being a well, you know, global dominating ballerina, because she’s touched into that essence. And that’s what you’ve done very well, isn’t it? You? You’re not that much different now. To that, that girl hanging on by our fingertips on that ball speed going up in here.
Amy Britt [32:56]
No, it’s very true. I think you know, it’s weird sitting here talking to you. One thing that occurs to me that I’ve heard throughout my entire life that is actually, as odd as this is, has inspired me and driven me and pushed me is the word now. Every time I’ve heard the word No, I’ve thought, well, that’s not right. And found a way to make it. Yes. I was actually in a job interview, and had made it you know, pretty far I was actually with grey advertising and their PR firm. And I sat down with the woman and it was, I think, the second or third interview and she was very frank with me and said, Look, you seem great. But I’m only interviewing out of courtesy. I’ve already decided who we’re going to hire. So the position is felt. And I looked at and I said, Okay, I really respect that. Thank you so much for being so honest with me, but can I ask you Why? What about this other person made you decide that you want to hire them? So she sort of told me and I chatted back with her and I walked out with the job. And that’s every time I’ve been told, no, it just inspires me to find a way around it to actually make it a Yes, yes is always possible. Always.
David Ralph [33:58]
But we just get that from Because that that is true bloody mindedness, isn’t it?
Amy Britt [34:04]
I wish I could, you know, sort of tell you I spent a lot of time alone as a kid. And I don’t know, maybe it’s just something that’s already in you that driven spirit. You can see it, but you just have to follow it. Actually, you know, I’ll take that back is that my dad marry this amazing woman from Denmark. When I was younger, I was three or four. And she had done this great thing when she left. She dropped out of the equivalent of high school over in Denmark. She came to the states with, you know, nothing, maybe $20 ended up taking odd jobs, you know, sort of fibbing that sure I’ve farmed potatoes before. Yeah, I’ve worked at camps.
David Ralph [34:42]
Can you do the voice? Can you do the Danish voice go on? I had a bit to it anyway.
Amy Britt [34:46]
No, she was Danish. So it was you know da. So she got and she drove her way across the United States basically winging it lying saying that she had a, you know, a service boyfriend and her paperwork would be coming because she had no Green Card, and she went all the way across the states and met my dad. She then she’s an amazing woman. She then went back to Denmark years later after having my brother who everyone had said she should commit or give up because there was something not right. And she went back to Denmark and it turned out he was autistic but while taking care of her autistic child, went to school full time she got her GED, went to school and got her doctorate in statistics. While taking care of an autistic child and autistic kids don’t sleep. I went over to visit her and she had weird like a paper bag over one of the doors covering it. And after being there for a couple weeks, I took it down and on she’d written and marker on the back of her bedroom door saying I’m a good person, I’m okay. I’m going to make it through this won’t matter. It was just so amazing that she did it for herself like she got herself through one of the hardest things that no one thought could anybody could do and had told her repeatedly not to do it, don’t do it. And just she had done the same thing. She’s an incredible woman. I think meeting her and and having her in my life. Life’s so early. Was was a great gift to sort of see what someone could do.
David Ralph [36:06]
Tell us about Sandy your babysitter as well, because she’s somebody else but has had a key point to your life.
Amy Britt [36:14]
Yes, Sandy folks, she’s a great woman, she she was friends with my aunt. And so I got recommended and went over to visit her and she had twins that I was going to babysit and this woman was in her 40s. And I’m older. I’m 40. So if you think back this is 25 years ago, having twins in your 40s just didn’t happen. And she had she lived in New York City. She’d had this amazing banky career and hadn’t met someone moved Upstate and had had these great twins and was still running a bank in her 40s being the perfect mom and she was so amazing and inspiring the fact that she would take me up to her closet and put clothes on me and talk to me about what I could do and dress me up and tell me these stories of all these great people that she In New York and had these adventures, when I talked to my mom about going to New York, she said, what a lot of people say, which is Sure, go to New York, you’ll be raped, murdered and mugged and not necessarily in that order. So it was, you know, it was great to hear sort of these things that people had done. And I, you know, after college, I came straight here, I didn’t know anyone, I didn’t have anything and everyone thought it was crazy. And I just went for it.
Unknown Speaker [37:24]
It was awesome.
David Ralph [37:25]
Was it scary? Oh, you’re given that sort of speech to your mum, but you’re going off to New York and your mom. And she’s only saying that because she wants to protect you. She wants to keep you where she’s comfortable. And we see that time and time again. I don’t think I’ve had one conversation through 500 episodes of Join Up Dots where somebody has said to me, every single person that I said this is what I want to do. This is my dream supported me. More often than not probably two or three people support and all the rest are going What the hell are you doing because it makes them feel uncomfortable because they’re not doing anything with their lives. So they don’t really want to support you because they want to keep you where you are. It’s the it’s the crabs in the bucket. So when you set your mama, I’m gonna go and she said, No, no, you’re gonna get raped or whatever. But you still went in the back of your mind. Were you thinking, oh my god, she’s gonna be right Mom, mom is always right. She’s been right every time or were you sort of now I’m gonna prove to you Ma’am, I’m gonna come back. I’m gonna own this city. This city will know my name.
Amy Britt [38:28]
But the one thing I want to actually sit back and say here is that, you know, growing up and seeing all these people that I was inspired by who had these great families and people said afforded them, I thought I was never going to make it because I didn’t have that. So for anyone out there who, who didn’t come from that great caring family, my parents, were not around. It turned out, you know, my dad had PTSD and disappeared very young and my mother and I were never close, never saw eye to eye and actually moved out at 16 and worked a full time job and had an apartment while I was still in high school. So I think it’s important for people to realise even if even if you don’t Have that amazing structured dog and house and white picket fence sort of upbringing, doesn’t mean you still can be something incredible. Yeah, it sort of said, you know, spine, I was never scared. I never thought I wasn’t gonna make it. Because I didn’t have my mom’s home to go back to. It wasn’t, if I fail, I’ll just move back home. I didn’t have that. So I had no parachute. It was all in and succeed or die trying. And there was no other sort of way about it. And I think that, in some ways has made me part of who I am and, and I’m thankful for it. I wouldn’t have done it any other way. Because it’s easy to take the easy way out. If you sort of got that place you can go to the second something gets a little difficult. You can be like, Yeah, whatever. But I didn’t. So I pushed through and I did it.
David Ralph [39:46]
This is very profound stuff here because what you’re saying is really, the plan B get rid of it before you even start just have a plan A and work and when and deviate along the way because it’s not always gonna it’s not gonna To be straight to plan a is going to be Oh god, no. But the plan B is the safety net, which actually will hold you back somehow, because I started this show. And I literally knew when I first spoke the first word that if this wasn’t gonna work, God knows what I was gonna do, because I just couldn’t go back to work. I couldn’t do what I was doing. This had to work. And I look back on it now. And I think thank God, there wasn’t a plan B, because I think when it got really tough, I might, I might have gone back and sort of said, Can I have my old training position back but I didn’t. I just carried on ploughing through that’s what you’re saying.
Amy Britt [40:38]
Yeah, there’s like I said, there is a way every time one of the girls comes in, it was like, Oh, we can’t. There’s another way. There’s another call to make. There’s another friend to have and you you will find a way to get through you just have to be determined.
David Ralph [40:51]
You did it my way back. That’s the name for this one in there.
Unknown Speaker [40:55]
Something along those lines.
David Ralph [40:57]
You are a singer as well as a dancer. I mean
Amy Britt [41:00]
Oh my god, no, you do not want to hear me sing. It would not be pretty.
David Ralph [41:04]
Not even karaoke. You tell everybody come on. It’s four o’clock. Let’s go out for a drink. by six o’clock you’re slaughtered, you’re up there doing the karaoke.
Amy Britt [41:13]
I think enough tequila and all of us have. But thankfully we can all just forget it. I don’t know about you and your friends. But if if people do things when we’re out with too many cocktails, we just don’t talk about it again.
David Ralph [41:24]
I’m lucky I haven’t got any friends that. Will you be my friend Amy?
Unknown Speaker [41:29]
David Ralph [41:30]
Well, there you go. But that’s that’s that’s the way you Paul. That’s the way you do it. You get your own podcast and menu. You get to talk to ladies and it all goes Marla’s Just don’t tell me why that’s the only problem. So when you wake up every morning, are you excited? Are you really ready to go? Do you have the sort of unknown you don’t have the Mondays but do you have the Wednesdays Do you have the first days?
Amy Britt [41:53]
No, I actually don’t. And that was something that was amazing to me to have once starting my own company because I figured it’s still a week. It’s Still, you know, Monday through Sunday and sort of have those normal things and I don’t I get incredibly excited. I have two great dogs at home and an apartment I love and I’m four blocks from the office down in the financial district in this area since Hurricane Sandy has just come alive and been sort of redone. And it’s, you know, you step back every once in a while and sort of pinch yourself and go, I had no idea that this was possible. And I come to work with some of my best friends the girls that work with me are awesome Nicole’s incredible, who’s been sort of digging with me since the very beginning. And I don’t don’t know what I would do without her. Having that and someone that I, you know, want to hear about and we chat with is it’s an amazing way to work. It’s, it’s incredible, and I wouldn’t want to trade it any other way. And our clients are so great at night. I’m sitting there thinking like, oh, what if we did this? What if we did, oh, we should do this and you know, calling them first in the morning to tell them my plethora of ideas. Sometimes I think they’re a little overwhelmed and other times they just love it. And we we have clients who’ve been with us for years. So you know, they’re our friends as well. It’s It’s fantastic.
David Ralph [43:01]
Well, I know Nicole. Well, I think I know Nicole, she was a she was a lady who worked with you previously. And Ben came back. So she was one of your kind of Boomerang staff. Is that right?
Amy Britt [43:10]
Yes, that’s that’s correct.
David Ralph [43:13]
And what what is it about the staff? Not from your point of view, we all know that everybody loves you. But what is it that you look for in them? So when you have worked with them, you think, yeah, I’ll take them on again.
Amy Britt [43:26]
And it’s a couple things you know, when I’m hiring, I don’t always hire the girl that majored in PR. I like to hire people that majored in other things. Because a lot of girls that go into PR think Ooh, red carpet celebrities, that’s where all the fashion and that’s just not who I am and who I sort of want here. So finding girls that are like, oh, writing, that’s part of my job thinking and being strategic. That sounds cool. I like those girls. I also I look for people who have sort of a fun personality but are still grounded and sort of have that serious nature. One of the biggest things I look for someone who’s travelled internationally. I think that always says a lot about a candidate. It tells me that they’re open minded that they’ve experienced other cultures that they can look at things from different points of view and they have curiosity. And that’s what I really want. You know, curious, George has another favourite book going up. I think it’s the perfect way to find the perfect employee.
David Ralph [44:20]
And he’s like, why you kind of embrace the the nerdy side and I’m looking at a picture of you on Skype, and you’re holding up a sign saying, I love nerdy club or something like that.
Amy Britt [44:30]
Yes, that’s why we embrace the nerdy side because, look, we all love history and trivia and we go to pub quiz night. I like all of us to keep learning. I’m in a great place, but I’m by no means done. I haven’t learned everything I can learn. Pr has changed more in the past hundred years than any other profession. And what it was when I started is almost the complete opposite of what it is now. And so in a lot of ways I learned from the girls because they’re millennials and there’s a lot of things like Snapchat, I learned about Snapchat You know, a year ago I didn’t really know about it, I felt like I was eating. And so there’s, you know, that sort of great aspect of constantly being curious from each other. And being nerdy I get no Wikipedia wholesome nights, and I’m up till 330 in the morning.
David Ralph [45:13]
I heard something today. This is gonna be your own pub quiz. There’s only one question I’m gonna put it to you.
Amy Britt [45:19]
Only if I get to ask you one.
David Ralph [45:21]
Yeah, absolutely. Now this is the one I heard today and I thought were these is true. But if I didn’t put colouring in to Coca Cola, what colour would the drink be? Green? Oh, you’re good. Yes, it would be green. That’s the first time I heard that.
Amy Britt [45:39]
But I sort of cheated I I went and lived down in Peru and worked with street children and lived with a local family and to help you without altitude sickness. They give you cocoa leaves. Oh,
David Ralph [45:51]
you say insider knowledge. Yeah, that’s that’s insider trading. I could I could bring you down. I must be rules against that.
Amy Britt [46:00]
What do you call two crows on a branch?
David Ralph [46:04]
To close on a branch? Do you call them a
Unknown Speaker [46:10]
Amy Britt [46:11]
and attempted murder?
David Ralph [46:13]
Oh, I knew that. Yeah, I knew that from what I used to be in a pop quiz team. We always do when God What about what about a group of giraffes while we’re on it?
Amy Britt [46:23]
Oh, got it. I used to know this one. I don’t know.
David Ralph [46:27]
A tower, a tower of giraffes.
Amy Britt [46:29]
Whether you’re British you’ve got you know, London tower, that sort of cheating.
David Ralph [46:33]
This is the greatest podcast you’ve ever been on. And this is this is Emmy Award winning. You’re gonna get in the put this down. You’re going to say stop everything. Forget all the other people that we work for. Get this guy out. Get this guy into the masses. This is get this is going to be here. I’ve sold it to you. I’ve I
Amy Britt [46:50]
I believe it. 100% I say a long time.
David Ralph [46:54]
It’s so easy to do. Well, what we’re going to do now we’re gonna play the words of the late Steve Jobs who actually created hated the show, back in 2005. He didn’t know that he did it. But he’s legacy lead on to what we’re doing now on Join Up Dots. This is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [47:09]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [47:44]
So do you buy into those words? Do they make all the difference? Me
Amy Britt [47:47]
100% absolutely seeing how things that you thought when you were failing you were actually setting yourself up to succeed is is amazing. And when you get to that point when you feel like you’re failing again, you can go Okay, there was four other times where I thought the world was ending. And I had to give it up and go home. And it only got even better. So you, it sort of pushes you through the next one, being able to look back and see what you were able to do.
David Ralph [48:13]
I was watching a speech by Oprah today, and it was quite a long speech at about half hour. But one of the things that she said I’ve got, that’s good, that is good, is when you’ve got that situation, but you don’t know what to do. She was saying, don’t ask other people just don’t do anything. Just Just be your own counsel and think because if you ask other people, they’re gonna say what they would do, but he’s not necessarily right for you. So
Amy Britt [48:39]
that’s, that’s 100% true. The other thing I would say is don’t overthink things. I think overthinking you’ll talk yourself out of all your greatest experiences in your life. I got to a point where I wasn’t happy with with what my life had become. And I quit my job broke up with my boyfriend, typed in extreme travel into Google and booked a trip for Africa and love In the same week, didn’t think about it. Didn’t think is this good for my career is this good for everything else? What’s going on in Africa, I didn’t research anything I just left. And it was one of the best things I ever did in my life that year. You know, travelling throughout that jungle, the friends that I made the things I saw, helping me be to take sort of a different view of things not about success, which you can get caught up in Manhattan, but seeing humanity and people that their bliss could be just being with friends when they have nothing, no shoes, no anything. They’re just thrilled and having those moments of euphoria and coming back and where I am now would have never happened if I hadn’t done that. But there is nobody out there who’s gonna let their child go off to Africa. I mean, I got stuck in in trucks being brought across borders and alone in in Zimbabwe, when Mugabe bulldoze the shanty towns in the country went into riots and held at gunpoint. These are not things if you sat and thought back you would do but I would do it again in a heartbeat. Now
David Ralph [49:59]
you know, when you I said that story. I thought for a moment you said that you googled extreme Scrabble. That’s a strange thing to do. And I, I understood what you meant after that. So what is your big document? When you look at that Join Up Dots timeline. What was this a moment that things started really going your way.
Amy Britt [50:19]
And I would say that moment I just described going to Africa, I took that. You know, I came to the city and was working so hard and so focused on having that career, being successful as a publicist and doing anything and everything I could do to get there. I lasted through so many things rounds up. When I was at CES, I lasted through 11 rounds of layoffs, and was one of the last people standing and just worked my butt off all hours to still have that job. And actually one of my clients back then who I worked on, just came back to work with me again all these years later, but I give it giving all that up and leaving I went to Africa, I went to surfing lessons in Australia met someone and fell in love and Harrison lived there, having that experience to see what was possible and what was out there. And I’d been working so hard for so long, trying to prove that I could do it to take that breath at 30, which people say you should never do because you’re in your prime. But to look back and see what was possible, was the best thing I ever did. I came back and got an incredible job working at SS nk which was a philanthropic and strategy PR firm where I got to work with MIT think lab and got to work on the strategy for Obama. And it was there that I met Starwood Hotels and Resorts and they funded me starting my own company and the rest sort of went from there. So taking that step back and going, this isn’t what I want and just leaving.
That was the best thing I could have ever done.
David Ralph [51:47]
Brilliant in it. I loved it. I never lose the thrill of having these conversations because there’s always that joining up there is as joining up, it’s that ability to keep moving forward and trusting the process and working your way around. And as we said, right at the very beginning, you’re a lady who believes in the possibilities of life and going for it and the hurdles are just part of the journey. Is that the sort of message now, just before we send you back in time to have a one on one with yourself, but is that the kind of message that really we should get into the schools, but there’s no such thing as impossible and just go for it and enjoy yourself?
Amy Britt [52:22]
100% there’s no such thing as No, you can always make it a yes. And don’t overthink things. You’ll talk yourself out of it.
David Ralph [52:31]
No great advice. Great advice. Well, this is the part of the show when we’re going to send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young Amy, what advice would you give and what age would you choose as well? Well, we’re gonna find out because I’m going to play the theme tune and when it fades you up. This is the Sermon on the mind.
Unknown Speaker [52:56]
We go with the best bit of the show.
Amy Britt [53:13]
talking back to myself at sixth grade, and glasses had just come on and I was starting up sandwiches and having just a rough go of being awkward girl. Amy, you’re gonna travel the world, you’re going to see things you only saw in books. You’ll experience cultures and see where man started and help children climb that mountain towers and go to walk the red carpet at can and help people and make a difference. Being small and no one in a little town. None of that seems possible. But you will get the chance to make your mark on this world and help people be happy and make it a better place.
David Ralph [54:01]
Amy, what’s the number one best way our audience can connect with you?
Amy Britt [54:05]
They’re welcome to come to our website, which is banter. pr.com. or follow us on Twitter. We’re quite funny. Would you say so ourselves?
David Ralph [54:15]
Yeah, you shouldn’t say so yourself. That’s like a comedian saying I’m gonna be finally you’re gonna well prove it prove how funny you are.
Amy Britt [54:23]
Come on, don’t put us on the spot already told you my crow joke. No, we have a lot of fun on Twitter. We embrace being politically incorrect and not always saying the safe. goody two shoes thing. So
David Ralph [54:36]
it’s a lot and that’s why you were such a great guest on this show. Amy, thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining up the dots. Please come back again when you have more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining up those dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Amy Britt, thank you so much,
Amy Britt [54:53]
David. Thank you. I had a great time.
David Ralph [54:58]
Wasn’t she lovely? She really, really was fun. I actually said to her, but I forgot numerous times during that show that I was actually recording a show, I just enjoy the process. And that’s what life is all about. And that’s what Amy was talking about. getting to the point where your work becomes something bigger, it becomes something more fun, but you you lose time, it just flows. Hopefully, all of you are going to be inspired from that episode, to go for that feeling. And try and find that thing that really drives you on to getting up early, and cracking on and creating your own legacy. That’s what it’s all about. That’s why we’re on this planet. And that’s why hopefully you’re listening to Join Up Dots. Thank you so much for listening. Found enjoyed this one. Thanks for being there. And we’ll see you again soon. Cheers. Bye bye.
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