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Introducing Tyler Tervooren
Tyler Tervooren is today’s guest joining us on the Join Up Dots business coaching podcast.
He is a man with many, different achievements, in many different fields.
All of them I supposed linked to taking the kind of risks that push you to the top of your chosen field.
You can list that he is the founder of Riskology.co, the leading website for smart risk-takers.
He has run a marathon on every continent. Yep, including Antarctica.
Organized three world records and holds the title of the Adventure Czar for The World Domination Summit.
How The Dots Joined Up For Tyler
All good stuff, but when you tie it together with his core mission that he wants to help every person in the world improve their health, work, and adventures by taking smarter risks in their life then you can see he is a big thinker, and a huge problem solver.
He works with people helping them to push themselves out of their comfort zones, and developing greater security in their life, higher income earning possibilities and I guess loving the challenge of life, instead of going though the motions.
He’s an independent entrepreneur who has founded 8 businesses, travelled to 25 countries, and ran a marathon on every continent to connect with the the world’s greatest risk takers and adventurers and learn their secrets.
As he says “If the time is going to pass anyway, I want to spend it doing fun things with interesting people.”
So did he always have that dream to change the big things in life. or did he discover this passion by accident later in life?
And how does he find the majority of people react when he poses an ever increasing risk taking in their lives?
Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Mr Tyler Tervooren
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Tyler Tervooren such as:
How he realised that he was spending too much time on things that weren’t memorable in his life, and forced him to reassess his priorities.
What the key differences between an introvert and extrovert are, and why your friendly neighbourhood podcast host falls firmly into the former.
How the idea of touching the lives of every person on earth first came to him and how he decides on the small steps to achieve those big game.
Why doing a marathon teaches you so much about what you are capable of achieving, and how that effort then helps your next achievements to feel easier.
How To Connect With Tyler Tervooren
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Audio Transcription Of Tyler Tervooren Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling join up dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK David Ralph
David Ralph [0:26]
Yeah, here we are Episode 477 of join up dots and you know, if you’ve been hanging around for the last two years, this is actually the 500th time that I have come out with a dot Episode 500 times you listen to me. So for all of you out there about isn’t the 500th episode as such, thank you so much for sticking around, because it’s bit of a milestone. And we’ve got a guest that it’s it’s perfect for a show like this, because just before we were talking and recording, we’ve been talking about why board people are very hairy. And we’ve had some bizarre conversations. It’s the kind of conversations that really we should put into join up dots it’s what’s made the show Well, it is, but he is joining us and today’s he is a man with many different achievements in many different fields, all of them, I suppose linking to taking the kind of risks that push you to the top of your chosen field, you can list that he is the founder of risk ology, the leading website for smart risk takers, he’s run a marathon on every continent, yep, including Antarctica, that’s gonna be a bit sleepy, organized free world records and holds the title of the event yourself for the world domination, summit, all good stuff. But when you tie it together with his core mission, that he wants to help every person in the world improve their health, work and adventures by taking smarter risks in their life. When you can see he’s a big thinker and a huge problem solver. He works with people helping them to push themselves out of their comfort zones and developing greater security in their life, higher income earning possibilities, and I guess loving the challenge of life in instead of just going through the motions. He’s an independent entrepreneurs founded eight businesses traveled to 25 countries and run those marathons on every continent to connect with the world’s greatest risk takers and adventurers and learn this secret. As he says, if the time is going to pass anyway, I want to spend it doing fun things we’ve interesting people. So did he always have that dream to change the big things in life? Or did he discover this passion by accident later in life? And how does he find the majority of people react when he poses an ever increasing risk taking to their lives? Well, let’s find out as we bring into the show, to start join up dots with the one and only Mr. Tyler Bowman, how are you Tyler?
Tyler Tervooren [2:40]
Hello, how’s it going? I’m so well, that was like such a great introduction. I would I could pay you to just like follow me around me to people?
David Ralph [2:50]
Well, as long as you didn’t take me to any sort of really weird whiskey places with that, then I would follow you, I would follow you. And I’ve been kind of stalking you for the last couple of days. Because you’ve got that kind of background, but it’s full of rabbit holes, you start reading something about you. And then there’s a little link and you go deeper and you go deeper and then you kind of get this feeling that this guy is having the time of his life. Is that why am I getting the right flavor about you?
Tyler Tervooren [3:17]
Yeah, I’m very much a what my what my friend Emily likes to call a multi potential life. So I have a hard time being satisfied doing one specific thing. So I’ll often find myself Yeah, headed down many different rabbit holes that lead to strange places.
David Ralph [3:35]
Do you need multiple women as well? Can you can you be satisfied by just one woman? No, Tyler,
Tyler Tervooren [3:39]
I can’t I’m a woman. I’m a one woman. Man. I’ve got a ring on my finger to prove it
David Ralph [3:44]
out. Good on you, sir. Good on you. Because I was watching your TEDx talk. And you were saying that you were recently single. And that was like a year ago or so?
Tyler Tervooren [3:53]
Yeah, there was a around two year and a half two years ago.
David Ralph [3:57]
And so how long have you been married now? Sir?
Tyler Tervooren [3:59]
I’ve been just over a year now.
David Ralph [4:01]
And is it still honeymoon? Is it still getting better? And better? Is it is it wonderful, obviously risk taking every day?
Tyler Tervooren [4:08]
That’s a little bit of both right? I mean, all that stuff is risk taking right we’re still doing cartwheels and living room right? And, and enjoying ourselves but you know, learning to learning to live together and all that kind of stuff. It’s it’s the one of the it’s the most fun challenge I’ve ever I’ve ever been on.
David Ralph [4:27]
And that’s a compliment your kind of external ambitions it or does it sort of tone them down somehow.
Tyler Tervooren [4:36]
I’m it I mean, so my wife, my wife, Jess, she is my my biggest cheerleader in life. Absolutely. She also brings to the table a perspective that my life def desperately needs that I didn’t have before her. So she she supports, she supports all of my wacky and wild stuff that I’m up to and often participates in it. But she helps, she helps me kind of home them in a way where, you know, I might go off and do something and she finds, you know, without thinking too much about it. And she you know, she often asks and poses questions that helped me, you know, realize which are the you know, which which are the right, which are the right things to actually do at this time of my life.
David Ralph [5:24]
So she’s become the perfect female filter for you.
Tyler Tervooren [5:28]
Yeah, she said, that’s a good that’s a good way to put it. She’s a bit of a filter for me, she helps me to make the you know, I’m every single day I’m, I’m torn between 20 different directions trying to figure out what to do, she helps me kind of narrow them down to a few so that I can, you know, so I can find my way.
David Ralph [5:45]
So So what’s up? Why, why do you like me, this is this is fascinating stuff straight off the bat. And we’ve only been talking for five minutes, because most people in life like routine, most people like the fact that the alarm clock goes off at the same time. And my son was telling me the other day, and he never dawned on me that most people were set their alarm clocks for an even number. I never realized that. I just thought you set the alarm clock. But people will get up at quarter two or seven o’clock or 10 past seven because I like that routine. But you’re somebody who literally will throw caution to the wind every day and like what life throws at him.
Tyler Tervooren [6:21]
Well, so actually, that’s that’s a bit of a mischaracterization in the sense that I’m often like, I feel like I have a very a DD brain. So like, once I’m awake, it’s easy to it’s easy for me to get distracted. And I have a lot of fun and interesting things everyday to get distracted by but I’m actually quite a quite a creature of routine I have, I have a system in place, I actually use this program called Trello. That has that has improved my life tremendously. And I use it actually to run my life on a daily basis. Because my my tendency is to is to kind of throw my energy at any given thing that looks interesting. Which is immediately what’s the word for immediately satisfying, right? But often, like, at the end of the day, I was I got to a point in my life where I was having too many days where I got to the end. And you know, someone had asked me You know, these days, it’s you know, my wife just asked me like, so what did you do today? And I would know, I would know that I’d done, you know, 50 things, and I couldn’t remember one, one single one of them. Yeah, it was like I had done 50 things I’d kept so busy. But none of them had been important. And none of none of them had been important enough to remember by the end of the day. And I was like, wow, this is this is really, this is really bad. Actually, I should be focusing my efforts and my time on on the things that like I really say are important. And I need to find those couple things. And so I spent a long time I’m trying to figure out how to, you know, not abandon my not abandon my, my instinct to like, you know, throw energy, you know, at something, but also to focus it in a way where I could make progress on something every day and actually, and actually have something to talk about at the end of the day because I you know, I’d focus myself enough to actually get something worthwhile done.
David Ralph [8:26]
So is it a case of just being more present in the moment being more focused on that one task?
Tyler Tervooren [8:33]
Yes, yeah. So I basically what I do is I have, I have a list. I have, I have little a list for every single day. And these are the things that need to get done every single day, like every single day. So on Monday, I know these are the things that always need to get done on Monday. And these are the things that always need to get done on Tuesday. And when I’m working on those things, like I shut off all of the you know, all of the you can get notifications and things pop up. And every item in your house makes noise these days. Yeah. And they can come in, you know, five or six at a time, I try to turn all of them off and just focus and just one by one, not the mountain. It’s kind of a game for me. Because when I’m done with what has to be done for the day that I know is going to like, you know, move me forward towards these, you know, the things that I say are important. Well, then it’s like play time I can work on whatever I want. And that’s kind of when I start to go crazy.
David Ralph [9:20]
And it is a kind of social addiction, though, isn’t it? Because I I’m very anti back when I went in the entrepreneurial route. I was renowned and I talk about this a lot Tyler but I don’t have any mobile devices. I don’t have a phone, I don’t have a watch. I don’t have a tablet, I have nothing. I have a stand on a desk PC, that when I turn it off and walk away from it. That’s it. It’s, it’s done. And I remember when I said that I was going to leave my corporate gig people said, Yeah, well, you’re gonna have to get a phone and you’re gonna have to be contactable and I went now I’m not. And I went, you can’t run a business by not being contactable. And I said, Yeah, you can do it by being structured and patching your content. And your you don’t actually have to be there. You know, 24 seven, but it still is that drug? Isn’t it? Is that addiction of wanting to check your emails wanting to check your Facebook wanting to do that? So did you find that a battle to actually break free from that? Or was it quite liberating to do that?
Tyler Tervooren [10:15]
Um, you know, a little bit it was I’m actually I’m actually like you David except for. Maybe not on none of the level that you are. So I and I think that I actually I’m a lot like a lot of people who, you know, there’s, there’s this there’s this struggle right in, in everyday life of where you want to get, like really important stuff done. And the stuff that you want to get done requires focus and attention and, you know, deliberation and time away from, you know, people and things and distractions, but at the same time, you know, we live in a world where it’s easier and like we’re we’re more and more connected in different ways, but less and less connected face to face. And so we have this, at least for me, right? I have this, this yearning for, you know, to MIT to connect with people. And if you’re not careful about how you about how you decide how you’re going to, you know what that’s going to look like in your life, you know, you might say, like, if you’re not careful and say, All right, I’m going to be, I’m going to connect with people and my friends on Facebook, I’m going to do it during these hours of the day, right? Like, that’s what that would be like a very structured way to do it. But if you don’t like go into the situation, or if you don’t even realize from the beginning that that’s like you have this need to feel connected to people. You know, it’s really easy to just go Alright, well, here’s Twitter, oh, there’s something happening on Twitter, this, you know, follow link from here, all of a sudden, my Facebook feed is blowing up. Oh, you know, Skype, I’ve got a few messages on Skype, who can I chat with, right like, and there’s just, there’s an infinite number of platforms and places to go and emails to check and, and blog posts to read. And I think at the end of the day, it’s really all about like, kind of this underlying need to feel connected to other people. Because it’s so easy to not get that in our day to day lives these days. But at the same time, if you’re not careful about it, it can just totally take over and you become really dissatisfied in other ways.
David Ralph [12:15]
And what you always lie about, well, you know, sort of kid at school, but when the new kid got delivered in you go, Oh, yeah, I look after him for the day. And did you want to build those personal relationships as a kid
Tyler Tervooren [12:27]
wanted to Yes, but I wasn’t good at it. So I am a I’m very much an introvert. And I don’t know how familiar you or your audience are with the, you know, the idea of introversion versus extraversion.
David Ralph [12:40]
You finish in in case there’s some listeners out there that don’t know.
Tyler Tervooren [12:44]
Sure. So an inter, like an introvert and an extrovert are it exists on a spectrum, right, and it’s, it’s just tied to your personality type. And the idea behind whether you’re an introvert or an extrovert, it explains where you receive and where you get your energy from, and how you like, recharge mentally and fit physically. So an introvert needs time alone, quiet time, you know, a lot of space to themselves to feel energized. And that’s where they do their best work is kind of when they’re alone in their office, or like, you know, in their creative studio or whatever, doing things on their own. And it doesn’t mean they’re not social, they don’t like people or they can’t be you know, the life of a party, but it’s not where they get their energy from. Whereas on the other end of the spectrum, are extroverts and extroverts are people who their lifeblood is connecting with and talking to people. And whether you’re in you know, that’s that’s what actually energizes them, if they sit alone at home for too long during a day, or they, you know, they’re by themselves at the office for too long. They get, you know, depressed and they feel like they need to go out and you know, meet with people and be in front of people and talk to people in order to get that energy. And introverts are exactly the opposite. You know, that both both sides adds value connection, and both sides value, building relationships, but the way that it kind of comes about can look very, very different depending on which type of personality you have.
David Ralph [14:13]
That’s very interesting. I’ve never heard it explained like that, because as he was talking, I thought, I didn’t realize, but I must be an introvert. Because I am very quiet for a lot of time, and I stay isolated. And but when I come out into the public arena, when I have to stand up and do public speaking, when I do this, I’m ready for it. And it’s like I challenged myself up and ready to go. But afterwards, the last thing I want to do is have conversations again, so I’m probably the you know that the perfect introvert.
Tyler Tervooren [14:43]
Yeah, absolutely. And this is a very, very common misperception
is that introverts are just shy, but they don’t like people or they don’t want to be around people. And that’s actually the the complete opposite. We love being around people, specific situations at specific times, and we need, but we also need lots of time to ourselves in order to, to feel that way.
David Ralph [15:09]
So it is energy, an important part of your life, the fact that you are somebody that sort of takes risks. So that kind of charges you up, doesn’t it the adrenaline pumps through you and the fact that you’re very aware of your ability to connect at the right time? Are you somebody that is can get worn out very easily because of the sort of the high energy that you’re using?
Tyler Tervooren [15:32]
Yeah, well, I mean, I think energy is energy is an interesting thing. And I’d be I would be lying if I said I really had a full grasp on my own right. Like, it’s, I think I spend a lot of my time figuring out just how to, you know, when I’m feeling and energized, why I’m feeling that way, or when I’m feeling really, really energized, why I’m feeling that way, right. It’s kind of like a little, this mystical thing, trying to figure out, you know, where motivation comes from and, and what keeps me going. But at the end of the day, I know a few things about myself, I know that I know, that challenges, you know, focusing myself on achieving some sort of goal is really motivating and energizing for me, it gives me something to strive for, I know that having a lot of quiet and peaceful time to myself, which I get every day because I work from home is really important for energizing me. And I also know that if I spend too much time like that, that I do, like energy does actually start to build up too much. And I have to go out and like be social, right? Like I have to like kind of let my inner extrovert out a little bit. And because I spent too much time alone, then I you know, I build up all this energy, and I don’t know what to do with it.
David Ralph [16:48]
And so where is your life leading, I’m trying to get the grasp of you. So you, you run multiple businesses, you’re very aware that you can be very distracted. So how have you sort have created that success when you’ve got so much Amanda, I know multiple people that struggle with just running one business, and you’re sort of juggling many different things at the same time?
Tyler Tervooren [17:11]
Well, I can tell you with absolute certainty that I both struggle with running one business and struggle with running multiple businesses. So it’s not a I don’t have it all figured out is is what I want to say. Basically, to to make a long story short is I didn’t apply any for a long time I didn’t apply apply any filters to what I said yes to in my life. And that was a really, really good experience and a really bad one. And it was good in the sense that I got a wide breadth of experience I started lots of projects got involved with a lot of different people doing a lot of really cool things. And I learned a lot about what what I did like in one on wanted to do you know long term and turn into like big meaningful kind of legacy type projects that I’d be proud to put my name on. And I also spread myself way too thin, and, and struggled to make progress on any one of them. Because each one, you know, each one done at its best could you know, take a full time career for the rest of your life, right. So what I’ve been doing over the last few years, is really kind of honing things down and trying to find ways to instead of spreading my energy across many different subjects, finding those few little silos, those few places that I want to be that I want to be that I really want to be like my you know, the what Tyler is doing in his life, and really not let myself outside of those but as what but not just but not necessarily locked myself into, you know, like one type of thing. But like, for instance, for instance, I run risk ology the blog, I also work on a project called the travel hacking cartel, which is a, which is a membership, business where we teach people how to how to travel for cheap and for free. I’m involved in the world domination summit, these are three things that are like that are pretty important to me. And I want to, I want to so in that sense, I don’t let I’ve kind of like locked myself into these projects. So I’m not going to go do other projects. But at the same time, I can get this my needs met in you know, like the need to, like explore lots of places, because within each of those silos, there’s so many sub layers, and you know, it’s like a each one is like an onion, and you can peel it back until and find many, many layers. Within each one of those projects were when I was spreading myself too thin, I never got a chance to really dive deep on any one of them.
David Ralph [19:55]
So So which one do you kind of enjoy the most? Where is your true passion? Being as a yes, man must leave you two loads of those experiences, but ultimately, slight confusion, I would imagine on what things play to your super talents?
Tyler Tervooren [20:10]
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And so and that’s also has been a big part of, of this process that I’ve been trying to force myself into a little bit over the over the last few years is learning to say no. And also like, judging, you know, what I say yes, to not just against what sounds interesting, but what I know I’m good at. And that’s been, that’s actually been a little bit of a struggle, and but also a great learning experience for me. In the sense that I was I kind of had this realization that a lot of the stuff that seems super interesting to me, I wasn’t naturally, I wasn’t naturally good at, and a lot of the things that I was really good at, I wasn’t applying myself to, because I was trying to chase these, you know, these shiny objects, the more interesting. And so. Um, I don’t know, I don’t even think that answered your question, because I kind of went off on a tangent, but
David Ralph [21:09]
when he kind of does, it tells me that you are aware of your super talent, and you know that the things that you like to do, you do very, very well. And the things that you don’t is a bit of a slog, really grace.
Tyler Tervooren [21:21]
Yeah, so my my super talent, essentially, what I’ve, what I’ve realized is probably my number one super talent is I’m really good at building systems. It’s I’ve kind of had to over the course of my life in order to, you know, maintain any sort of semblance of normal of normalcy, because I have such an such an add brain. And so in order to manage my life, in order to manage the businesses that I’m involved in, I can build really, really structured systems and I can see all the weak spots in the systems and where they need improvement. And I can, you know, I have a haven’t, I can have a vision for how system should get built and improved, and all that kind of stuff. So I’ve been trying to like, really hone myself into projects where I can take that talent and just really improve and build processes and systems for things.
David Ralph [22:17]
And it does become easier, doesn’t it? Well, if you find that because what we talk about time and time again, not only on the show, but with the coaching groups and clients that I’ve got is the fact that mentally you don’t allow yourself at the beginning to do the thing that you like to do the most. Because you think it’s kind of easy. It’s not work. I shouldn’t be getting paid for it. But once you actually accept that, but yeah, okay, it might be easy, but I’m providing value to the world and they’ll pay me Show me the money. It does become something that just easy’s at an open so many doors because it’s so easy is a real bizarre mindset, you gotta go for it.
Tyler Tervooren [22:58]
Yeah, absolutely. And right, it’s kind of tied into, like you said, this kind of mental framework and you either some people, if you have it, you have to get over it, right, like the idea that in order to be successful, to be truly successful, you have to like struggle day in and day out for some into you know, indeterminate amount of time. And maybe you’ll maybe you’ll come out with what you want to wear, you know, and that’s kind of a, what do we call them like, like, it’s like an invisible or implicit belief. It’s called, right, it’s an implicit belief, it’s a belief you have about yourself about others about the world that you don’t realize you have, because it’s so ingrained that you don’t consciously think about it, right. And so that’s, so that’s one that I’ve had for a long time. Most of my life, you know, thinking and believing that if I’m going to get where I want to go, I’m going to have to, you know, almost killed myself with like work and struggle and everything, because that’s what it takes to be successful. where, you know, I’ve been lucky enough to be exposed to enough people and enough stories, of people doing it differently, right, people who are far more successful than me, and also look at the world very, very differently. And it was kind of like this, it was a slow building, there wasn’t like a light bulb moment, it’s kind of one that I’m just gradually everyday trying to build closer to this idea that no actually like when you align your talents. And when you when you accept that what you’re good at. When you accept that what you’re good at maybe not may not be what you’re what you currently think is the most interesting thing in the world, when you accept that. And then also work to start to align those things when you start to explore what you’re really good at. and find new and interesting ways to do it. Like you can align. You can align your interests with what you’re good at, right? Because you probably been ignoring what you’re really good at, because it’s easy, and you get bored with it.
David Ralph [25:13]
But you do get bored with it. Yeah, that’s the thing. I think the thing that you do, just because you love doing it, you never get bored of it. And even if money is not involved, it’s like this doing this show. Now. I can do it time and time and time again. And even though in many ways, it’s a similar conversation, it’s about the leap of faith is about finding your thing. And never get bored of it. Never, never, never. And we were doing the 500 show, I can see myself doing 2000, 5000, whatever, it’s just going to be something that I keep on coming back to, because it’s naturally engaging for me.
Tyler Tervooren [25:48]
Yeah, and that’s definitely, unbelievably I was going to say that I was going to say lucky. But that’s not fair. Because I’m certain that you’ve, you’ve worked really hard to you know, to find that and now that you found it, you’re on this, like MySpace, but I imagine many, many listeners and you yourself at one point, we’re kind of at a phase in your life where you’re trying to figure out like, where you’re trying to find that. And it’s really frustrating experience. When you don’t feel like you have that like you don’t feel like like I feel like I’m I meet people every day, who they want exactly what we’re talking about here, right? Like finding that thing that you’re both good at, and you enjoy. Right. And there’s so many people out there that for whatever reason, either they haven’t explored it, or they haven’t explored enough, primarily. They don’t know what that thing is. And it’s can be a really frustrating experience saying like, Oh, I see all these people doing these amazing things. And they love what they do. And they can never get bored of it. Right. like David could do 10,000 episodes like for me personally, I could, I could write for you know, for risk ology for my blog, every day and never get bored of it. And when you when you look at that, and you don’t see what it is for yourself, man, it can be like so de motivating.
David Ralph [27:09]
But when once it hits, this is the annoying thing. Once it hits, you realize it’s been there all the time. And it’s real bizarre thing. You look everywhere, except the way you’re supposed to be looking. And that is within you. This is what Jim Carrey said,
Jim Carrey [27:24]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [27:51]
So he says take a chance, but basically saying take a take a risk, isn’t he? He’s going for it. Those words really tie in to your mission of taking smarter risk in your life and across the world.
Tyler Tervooren [28:05]
Absolutely. I will play stupid By the way, I love that.
David Ralph [28:09]
It’s good one in a never gets boring that one. So when you look at your mission, your mission is Yeah, it’s bloody huge, isn’t it? When you look at it, that you want to help every person in the world improve their health work, and adventures by taking smart risks. When you come up with a mission like that? Do you not think first of all, that’s never gonna happen? It’s just me, I can’t I can’t do that. Or do you think yourself, I’ll just start with one person and then try to people on five people in 10 people? What was your mindset when you started to think about it?
Tyler Tervooren [28:42]
Well, so there’s two answers to that question. One is that, yes, because I’m like, because like I mentioned, I’m so systems focused, like, I love I’m the type of person who needs a big lofty goal. But I’m also really, really into making small improvements and finding small things that gradually grow. Like if you, for instance, like the idea of making a 1% improvement, right, like reaching one person. In a day, like if you if your goal is to is to, you know, spread a message to 10 million people. That’s going to take like, the idea of going out and meeting one person at a time and spreading that message is going to probably be for most people pretty motivating. But if you take like a really if you take a growth mindset, look at it, right? Like if you take a tiny improvements mindset, apply that to it. The idea that you could meet one, you could you know, you could meet one person today. And then tomorrow, you might tweak your message a little bit that would make it more appealing to more people and then you tell and then you tell two people, right? And then if you get a little bit better, a little bit more efficient than maybe eventually you’re telling like you’re you’re spreading into four people a day right over time, like, these little like 1% improvements, right? Like when you’re just starting out, like it seems like nothing but 1% improvement, if you made 1% improvement to whatever you’re doing in your life, on a daily, weekly or even monthly or yearly basis, right? 1% improvement even a year, for 10 years. That’s right. That’s that’s enormous. Like, if you look at like the curve from like, like, if you started with five of whatever. And he improved by 1% for 10 years, like the curve is enormous at the at that 10 year point, right, you’re making a huge impact.
David Ralph [30:36]
But that most people wouldn’t see that, would they? Most people don’t like the thought of a 10 year plan. They want the overnight success. They want the push this button and coaching kind of mentality. So are you happy to go on that 10 year path? If you know that at the end, you’re going to get your result?
Tyler Tervooren [30:55]
Yes, absolutely. The problem, of course is right. And there’s, there’s no, there’s absolutely no guarantee on a 10 year plan. But there is also often not a guarantee on a on a one day or one week plan either. So if if a 10 year plan has way higher likelihood of achieving what I want to achieve, like I see it as a balance actually right. Like, I don’t, I wouldn’t like Personally, I need that kind of daily motivation of getting instant results as well. So I’m very, I’m very long term focus. But I also like I need to see progress on a regular basis. And I think what I’m sure what most people find frustrating and like in long term plans is like you have to wait. Like if you make a 10 year plan, you have to wait 10 years for for what you’re aiming for. Right? Well, that’s like that’s kind of a that’s kind of a defeatist way to look at it, right? Like if instead, you have a 10 year plan, if instead you have a 10 year plan, but you also have you also, you know, revel in the successes you see along the way, right, like anybody would be would be put off by, you know, doing the same thing day in and day out and not feeling like they’re getting closer to the goal. That’s the problem, right? It’s like, it’s like, if you have a plan, and you’re applying your energy or your efforts in the wrong way, and you’re not actually making progress, well, then it just feels like that 10 year goal is getting further and further away. Like, if you go a week or a month and you don’t feel like you’ve made any progress. Well, then like you need to change something, right? Because you’re not going to ever actually get there because you do need to make right like a 10 year plan means making progress on a regular basis to
David Ralph [32:37]
so how do you how do you tweak some of these doing something and as I always say, if you always do what you’ve ever done, you always going to get what you’ve always got or something along those lines. So you’re putting your heart and soul into something you’re slogging a day in, day out. And you’re not making that that movement forward? Is Is it the best chance of finding a mentor? reaching out to somebody who’s done what you want to do? How is the best way of tweaking it?
Tyler Tervooren [33:05]
Yeah, well, I would say for me personally, anyways, I, I spend, I get a lot of motivation. From Yes, from looking at from looking to people that I see as, as mentors, right. There could be people that I know, personally, that I can ask advice from, but they can also be like, you know, people that I’ve never met before, and I just, you know, you read about them, and you read these stories of their successes. But also, but also from like, a system stand, like we were talking about routine earlier, right. And like how most people really love routine. And I love routine as well. And I actually have a pretty regimented one in my daily life. But I also get a lot of value from blowing it up on a regular basis, right. So if I have a routine that I follow, day in and day out, well maybe like once every three months, I’m going to look back on, on how that’s going and ask myself if it’s really getting me closer to what I want. And if it’s not, then I don’t have any problem blowing up that routine and replacing it with a new one. So it’s like I never like get rid of the routine. But I but I do shift it and change it on a regular basis like no routine is ever. Nothing is so precious that it can’t be that it can’t be thrown away and started over with.
David Ralph [34:29]
So when you went on your you’re running exercise doing a marathon on every continent, as we were talking about in the introduction, you were seeking out best secrets, you were finding the greatest risk takers and adventurers and learning their secrets. Did you find those secrets by asking them the questions? Or did you find those secrets by watching them? How did that come about?
Tyler Tervooren [34:52]
No, it was just it was just meeting people and having conversations, right? Like I had until it was that it was goal. So I set the goal. When was in about 2010, I set the goal to run a marathon in every continent, and I finished it in 2014. And before, before I’d set that goal I’d never really had like I’d always in one I’d always had the ambition to travel. But it was kind of a Sunday, like some day kind of thing, right. And when I set that goal that kind of actually set in motion, the real pieces, and they made it real and it gave me a specific tasks and things to do to actually get myself to do it. And once I was out traveling, and once I was out having these experiences and doing these marathons, I was meeting people that were very unlike the types of people that I met in my everyday life back at home, right, because I just put myself in such a different situation. And just through meeting these people and having these conversations, right, I was blown away that there were people who are living their lives like this, I thought that I was doing something totally crazy. I met lots of other people who had the who had the same goal, lots of other people are running a marathon and every continent, there are lots of met lots of people doing way more interesting things. And the stories behind what you know how they structure their lives in order to be able to do these kinds of things. We’re all really interesting. So I was just a, it was just a curiosity thing. I didn’t go out. I didn’t go out specifically to say like, I didn’t go traveling and say I’m going to meet these people, I’m going to ask him these questions. It was more like I’m going to go out and see what I find. And when I meet people, I’m going to be open to like hearing new stories and trying to figure out like, trying to find, you know, new, new ways to new ways to be inspired. And that just kind of brought about these conversations in ways that wouldn’t have happened otherwise.
David Ralph [36:56]
And did you find a lot of secrets within yourself obviously doing a marathon? It’s arduous and doing in hot climates and cold climates? It’s it sounds a little It really does. Did you find that thing you that you didn’t know that you had your own personal secrets?
Tyler Tervooren [37:12]
Yeah, well, I mean, a marathon is really, really great. For it’s a great analogy to a lot of things in life and it and it, it teaches it does, in fact, teach you a lot about yourself. Number one, it teaches you it can teach it teaches you routine, right in the sense that you have to train for it, you have to stick to a schedule if you’re gonna if you’re gonna succeed when when you’re doing it. Right, you, you realize like the idea if you’ve never run 26 miles before, most people, including myself think well, that’s like really not. That’s really not possible. But then you look around, there’s lots of people doing it. So you say like, Oh, actually, it is possible. But how can I do it, and you get really, really tired, but it teaches you to push yourself beyond well beyond what you where you think your stopping point is, right? So if you’re not an experienced marathon runner, like my the most fun I’ve ever had, running marathons is doing them with and around people who have either never done them before or didn’t think they were going to finish. And it’s such an incredible experience for them. But also for me watching them because they get to see, they get to see just how much how much energy and how much power they have in them that they didn’t realize they had until they got to what they thought was their breaking point and realize they could go a lot further.
David Ralph [38:37]
The destiny there’s a film isn’t there? What’s it called? Something about giants playing with the Giants or something. And there’s a death crow. Have you ever seen this on YouTube? I haven’t seen it. Look it up. And it’s that movie death crawl and what they do they they get these American football players. And they say right, one of you get on the other ones back and the person has to crawl. And this guy, this one, the big sort of American football players, a sort of moaning is too hard. It’s too hard. And so the the coach gets him blindfolded, so he can’t see the sort of the end of the pitch. And he gets this bloke on his shoulders. And he says, Why start crawling with your eyes closed? He said, I know this is stupid. This is stupid. You know, I can’t do it. I can’t do it. And he said, yes, you can do it. And he starts shouting him and shout anyway, anyhow, because he’s just in his own zone being pushed, and he hasn’t got any of those, those visible limits, or Yes, if I get over that line, I can stop. He goes past the pitch. And he just keeps on going, going, going. And he realizes afterwards. But he was holding himself in. He wasn’t allowing himself to go as far as he could is it is a fantastic little four minute video. But you see it on YouTube all the time. But it is that ability of pushing yourself further, we don’t allow ourselves to wait to go to the breaking point more often than not.
Tyler Tervooren [39:56]
No, we don’t. And it’s because we’re because we are often stuck in these routines where we we have a comfortable stopping point. And over time, that becomes like the line that you just don’t cross until you don’t realize that that lines not there anymore.
David Ralph [40:12]
It’s interesting, though, isn’t it? Tyler that at the beginning of the conversation, we started saying that life should be easy. If you’re doing the right things, it should be easy. And the people that are doing great stuff seem to be having a dream life playing and earning a lot of money and blah, blah, blah. But we’re now gotten to a point in the conversation where you have at times of your life got to push yourself beyond every limit, you’ve set yourself to find out what you can achieve. It is bizarre, but we’ve got two sides of this conversation.
Tyler Tervooren [40:42]
Yeah, I think it’s, you know, I, I don’t think I’m smart enough to, to say it in a very elegant, elegant, eloquent way. But I feel like it’s more like two sides of the same coin. In the sense that that, yeah, you have to push yourself well beyond what you think is what you think your breaking point is in order to see what you’re capable of. And you also should like, you know, the goal is to live every day. Life being relatively easy and enjoying enjoying what you’re doing, because you’re doing what you’re good at. I don’t think those two things are totally disconnected. You know what I’m saying? I think that they do like really go hand in hand in the sense that in the sense that you know, having those experiences it’s it’s you know, it’s it’s a I don’t know, I don’t know, it’s a black it’s not so it’s not so black and white, I guess
David Ralph [41:43]
you seeing in the young one has to exist for the apple to exist.
Tyler Tervooren [41:46]
Yes, exactly. It’s like what is like you, you can’t understand what happiness is without like, there’s no such thing as happiness without sadness, right? When I feel like we need like the Dalai Lama to explain this, because I’m not going to do a good job. But oh, he doesn’t stop me
David Ralph [41:59]
after five 500 episodes or talk on any subject, it doesn’t mean that I’m an expert. In any shape up Oh, yeah. So so what we’re kind of saying is really by by pushing yourself and developing that muscle, then the next time you lift something up, it’s going to be easier, but you’ve only made it easier by actually developing that strength, that hustle muscle that works when you don’t need it. This is why they pay the big bucks David that was good when it sounds like I’m a knowledgeable guy, Tyler. So I’ll tell you who is a knowledgeable guy. He is Mr. Steve Jobs and I love to play his words, he created the whole show of join up dots he didn’t know he did. But this is true legacy. This is Steve Jobs
Steve Jobs [42:42]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connected your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [43:17]
Have you followed your heart? Or is it something that you’ve kind of just found you’ve stumbled into?
Tyler Tervooren [43:24]
Now I’ve definitely followed. I mean, I followed my I tried to follow my heart. And I often I often lead myself astray from time to time. But I think that I think that again, there’s a balance between you know, like doing what’s smart in your head and doing what feels right in your heart. And I think that those things aren’t disconnected. When you find the when you find the overlap. That’s like that’s the magic spot.
David Ralph [43:51]
So So what was the big.in your life when everything started to come together, and you went from the kind of the teenager gang leader person not knowing what they’re doing to where you are now where you’re focused, and you’re focused on this mission of changing the world?
Tyler Tervooren [44:07]
Yeah, I mean, I still have no idea what I’m doing. But I’m at least 10 years further ahead. Um, I would say there was one of the biggest turning points in my life was, was getting laid off from my corporate job. And that was, that was in 2010, early, early, early 2010, so almost six years ago. And that was, that was a moment where that was like the moment where I was given, I like to call it this call, like a life changing experience, right. And you don’t get to pick when they come you don’t get to pick what they are. But everybody has one at some point in their life, some you you get fired, you lose your job, you get really sick and then get better, someone you know, gets really sick and gets better someone you love passes away these times in your life, when you’re kind of forced for at least for a little while to think about the bigger picture of your life in the world. And everyone has those moments, but not everybody. Not everybody capitalizes on them. And so I feel really lucky in the sense that losing my job, and I also had a close someone close with me passed away. Really kind of like forced me to, you know, to have those like really deep thoughts about what I wanted my life to be like and how I wanted to structure you know, how I spent my time and what my efforts were applied to. And because I had lost my because I lost my job, it was just the perfect opportunity to try something new for work. When work is such a big part of your life. It just kind of started the snowball rolling that I was like enough to you know, hang on too long enough to make it a full time thing. And when you an old man and you’re laying on your deathbed, do you think that you will have achieved everything you want? Because it seems to me in your mind, you’re always going for something bigger and bigger and bigger? Yeah, you know, that’s a question I asked myself on a regular basis. And today, today, the answer would be no. I feel like if I kept going if I keep going on exactly the path I’m on right now, I will not be satisfied. But I don’t know if that’s right. Like it’s a it’s a struggle between is that because I’m looking at it wrong? Or is that because I’m actually doing something wrong? I haven’t come to right, like I haven’t come to a decision on, on what the you know what the right course of action is just yet.
David Ralph [46:50]
But I think the fact that you’re asking those questions means that you’re doing more right than wrong on you.
Tyler Tervooren [46:56]
I hope so.
David Ralph [46:58]
I think so, sir. I think so. You’ve come on the 500th. Recording, you’re gonna be doing something right? I mean, you to get to this point.
Tyler Tervooren [47:06]
Yeah, I feel like I hit the lottery with that one 500 episode, like it’s gonna go, it’s gonna go wild.
David Ralph [47:11]
It’s gonna go viral. This one will tell you, right, this is the end of the show. And this is the part that we call the Sermon on the Mount, when we send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young Tyler, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give? Well, we’re going to find out, because I’m going to play the theme tune. And when it Phaedra up, this is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [47:39]
Here we go with the best beer on the show.
Tyler Tervooren [47:58]
All right, you are about 16 years old, starting to apply for college scholarships, and figure out what you want to do with your life. One thing I can tell you today, that you should know back then, is that you don’t have to, you don’t have to know exactly what you need, what you want to do right now. And when you and you may, you may spend a lot of time trying to figure it out. But no matter what, don’t latch on to something just because it seems like the smart idea or the right thing or the you know, the smart idea. Don’t always just take the smart idea because you don’t know what else to do. Give yourself whatever time you need to find, you know the right answer for you not just what seems right at the time.
David Ralph [48:55]
So what’s the number one best way that our audience can connect with you?
Tyler Tervooren [49:00]
The number one best way for your audience to connect with me would just be to go to risk ology dot CEO, and everything you need to know about Tyler’s there. And I’ll
David Ralph [49:11]
tell you, if you if you want to kill some hours, it’s a good way because you do go down a rabbit hole after rabbit hole and you find some some stuff that I hadn’t even bothered thinking about before. That’s what I liked about it. It was stuff that I felt, okay, this is this is a total new way of thinking. Was that how you you wanted it to be very thought provoking?
Tyler Tervooren [49:31]
Yeah, I mean, I always want my things to be my, you know, my writing to be thought provoking. And that’s just kind of the natural extension of me is I think about a lot of different things. So I write about a lot of different things.
David Ralph [49:42]
Right. So it is a good place, and you’re you seem to be in a good place. So thank you so much for spending time with us today, joining up those dots and please come back in again when you have more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Tyler, thank you so much.
Tyler Tervooren [50:00]
pleasures all mine thank you David
David Ralph [50:04]
so that was Tyler to vote on me for provoking episode back different from the last few episodes of join up dots it made me stop and think not just what I was going to ask next. But how I was going to ask it that would reflect what was going on in my world and your world and all the sort of the thoughts and concerns and the passions and the drive and the ambitions of our listeners because this guy is doing stuff. But he hasn’t got the master plan. But because he’s doing it every single day, the incremental gains, it makes such a difference. And I think that’s to all of you out there. Don’t think that you’ve got to make it perfect at the beginning. But you do have to do something, you need to have to do something. And then the next day, do it again and just keep on turning up. And all those small steps will lead to something. Thank you so much for listening to us. Thank you so much for being part of join up dots as I always say, come across. If you want to join us in our membership, go over to the join up dots and find get the dream. And we will connect on Facebook, we’ve got private podcasts, we’ve got membership coaching, we’ve got loads of things going on, all designed to get you going to be motivated and challenged. And what better time to do that by the start of a new year. Look after yourself and see you again soon
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