Welcome To The Join Up Dots Business Coaching Podcast Interview With Jo Casey
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Introducing Jo Casey
Jo Casey is today’s guest joining on the Join Up Dots show.
She is a lady who I first connected with several years ago, but never got a chance to properly say hello to.
Which is a bit of a regret, as not only is she a truly lovely individual but is also based in this little island of ours:
Yep, she is based in rainy Manchester in the United Kingdom and since working for British Telecom as a Call Centre Trainer has been on a mission.
A mission to develop employees everywhere to become the best that they can be, and find happiness whilst they are doing it.
And she certainly seems to now have found her thing, after as much struggle as everyone else
As she says “I’d love to be able to say I’m one of those people who is so super clever, I built a successful coaching business easily.
But that would be a big. Fat. Lie.
How The Dots Joined Up For Jo
I spent my first year as a coach taking every course I could get my hands on, which led to massive overwhelm.
It became a patchwork quilt of information: a course on blogging, another for WordPress, another on podcasting, then copy writing.
But it wasn’t cohesive.
I wanted courses to help me go step-by-step so I could focus on what I loved, coaching.”
And so how has she done it?
How has she managed to blend her years of being an employee into someone who is crushing it, but also being totally themselves…being happy in the process?
Well lets find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots, with the lovely Northern lass herself Jo Casey.
During the show we discussed such weighty Subjects with Jo Casey such as:
Why she is so aware of the power that comes with being different to everyone else, and by embracing that fact you will find your customers so much quicker.
How looking back on the first year of her making mistake is now fine as she can see that nobody was really listening or watching what she was doing anyway.
Why she is so aware that she has the opportunity to become the best boss to herself that she has ever had, and doesn’t take that fact lightly.
Why it is so important to understand in life what you truly are: Artist and Entrepreneur especially when you first start building your dream business.
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Audio Transcription Of Jo Casey Interview
David Ralph [0:00]
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David Ralph [1:40]
Yes, good morning to you. It is a freezing cold morning in the United Kingdom. We haven’t had many dodgy days this winter, but it’s cold. But I feel all warmed up already. Because the lady on the other end. And I say this a lot. The ladies are getting flirty and flirty. And some of the conversation we’ve had already is it’s explicit is 18 rated, it would go straight into the Art of Charm category and get that big e if you go onto iTunes, you see well, so it’s going to be a good one, because she is a lady who I first connected with several years ago, but never got a chance to probably say hello to which is a bit of a regret as not only is she a truly lovely individual, but it’s also based in this little island of our Yeah, she’s based in rainy Manchester in the United Kingdom. And since working for British Telecom, as a call center trainer has been on a mission, a mission to develop employees everywhere to become the best that they can be and find happiness while they’re doing it too. And she certainly seems now to have found a thing. After as much struggle as everyone else as she says, I’d love to be able to say I’m one of those people who is super clever, actually I’ve been speaking to already and that’s proven that’s proven. I’ve built a successful coaching business easily. But that would be a big fat lie. I spent my first year as a coach taking every course I could get my hands on, which led to massive overwhelm. It became a patchwork quilt of information, a course on blogging, another for WordPress and now on podcasting, vein copywriting, but it wasn’t cohesive. I wanted courses to help me go step by step. So I could focus on what I loved coaching. So she’s done it she’s got there but how she managed to blend her years of being an employee into someone who is crushing it but also being totally themselves and being happy in the process. Well let’s find out as we bring on to the show to start join up dots with the lovely Nova last SL very flirty, but we’re keep it we keep it all right kids. Joe Casey, how are you, Joe?
Jo Casey [3:38]
Fine. It was you didn’t flatten. I don’t think I was doing
David Ralph [3:42]
it. You can’t flow at half past nine in the morning. I just had a bowl of shredded wheat, I come running up here. Start flirting at that degree. It was you you drag it out to me you was like a substitute teacher that comes into school start to teach.
You know where we’re going with that. So now now we’re not going to go with a substitute teachers. And if you are a substitute teacher, contact me on join up dots because I’ve got some questions to ask you. And I can’t put them on air. But I’m very, very intrigued. So Joe, it has been a long time before we connected. Why was it? Were you frightened to me?
Jo Casey [4:21]
Yes, I was terrified. No, it was one it was one of those things. I thought we were just saying before I kind of assumed we had just because you were so much in my world. And we you know, we had so many kind of mutual contacts in common. And it was one of those things that actually I don’t think I’ve ever had a conversation with with David. So yeah, I felt very embarrassed about that. And we are we are correcting that wrong. Right now.
David Ralph [4:45]
We are we’re going for it big time away. Because not only is it a mutual admiration, that a world of the microphone, but it’s a kind of, I don’t know connected history as well, because you started off in a like a call center started off in a call center. You used to do the classic induction training the staff. I did as well, when you look back on it, was that where your desire to start helping people come from? Or did you find yourself in the right job? Was it there earlier than that?
Jo Casey [5:17]
Yeah, it was definitely that earlier than that.
And obviously, knowing that I was coming on this podcast, I kind of thought, Oh, I should probably do a bit of reflection and think what where does it all come from? And I think it came from a really early age, my parents were both social workers and my mom had a job. Like a deputy manager for residential homes, people had learning difficulties and in those days back in the 70s, I don’t know if it still happens but we lived in. So we we lived with we had a slight adjoining the kind of the big center. And so most of my friends and peers when I was from right from the age of kind of one or two, right up until I think kind of 12 or 13 were you know, people who would be considered very different people who had learning disabilities. But they were my friends, I saw nothing wrong with there being something different about them. So and obviously, my parents were modeled very much the fact that you know, will you look after people and everyone’s different, everyone has skills, and everyone has abilities and, and that’s okay, so that was just part of my DNA, almost this idea that, you know, you help people out if if there are any effects, and you value everybody, regardless of who they are and what their skills and abilities are, because everyone’s got them.
David Ralph [6:44]
And good, isn’t it different is good? I say that to every single person, if you will. And I’ve seen that with you. Obviously, I’ve been stalking from afar, because rules to this. But when I first looked at your, your website, your platform, it was very, how can I say it was kind of non remarkable, it looked like everything else. But the last time I went on there, I actually said to you, this is like there’s a personality coming out of here, you’ve you found that you can be Joe Casey, you found that you can be more effective, because you’re actually being different, you’re being unique. Is that something that you’re aware of now?
Jo Casey [7:23]
Yeah, but very much so. And I think that mirrors the journey that a lot of people online and particularly, you know, cuz I work in the in the coaching industry. So there are there are certain things that everybody starts off doing. So we start off using things like words like live your best life and stuff like that, which are these phrases that we kind of think, well, every other coaches using that That must be the kind of thing you say, but it’s meaningless. It means absolutely. What does that mean? You know, you have to really get down into Well, how would you help me to do that, and all of those things that that people require before they would actually hire you. So yeah, so I started off. I mean, the very first one that I had had me in a suit, kind of doing that sideways on, you know, photograph that photographers get to do just look over your shoulder. Now, I don’t wear a suit. Even when I worked for Price Waterhouse Coopers I struggled with the whole suit thing, because it’s just not me. But I felt that there were certain rules that I needed to follow in this, this this unfamiliar online world, and what is quite liberating about failing and failing and failing, because, you know, that’s how it feels. When you for many people in the first started out is you, you realize that actually, no one’s watching. Yeah, I
David Ralph [8:44]
agree with you totally. At the beginning, you want it all to be perfect and brilliant. But nobody gives a monkey’s. And so it’s not until you actually get through a lot of bad that people start noticing and being it’s the classic, you know, the highlights, they’ve already seen the highlights, but they have seen the low lights, because that’s all been when nobody’s paying attention.
Jo Casey [9:03]
Yeah, absolutely. And the whole idea of you know, what’s your message? I know, I can help people do this. You have a how’d you do it? Mine? No, you know, there’s all these kinds of things that were just blank space in my head. So I didn’t have the knowledge. And partly I didn’t have the confidence because it takes so you know, yeah, we have to feel fairly comfortable with what you’re doing to kind of get this is me. And some people aren’t going to like that. And I’m okay with that. Yeah, but
David Ralph [9:30]
how honestly, right? And I’m not, this isn’t me trying to seduce you on the line? because believe me if I tried it would work. But how do you think that people would not like you, because there’s nothing to dislike is there.
Jo Casey [9:46]
But you know, this, not everybody is going to be a good fit for you and you will look people up the wrong way just for being you know, around. It’s not the, you know, it’s I’m out there spouting you know, Donald Trump like opinions. And today go there already. The people who love Donald Trump will instantly just think I’m not listening to her because, you know, because I think he’s a pretty terrible, scary human right now. And so that there’s stuff like that, they just say, Well, actually, that’s an opinion, and some people can disagree with that opinion. And that’s okay. I’m confident enough for myself to kind of get you know what we can disagree on stuff, that’s fine. If you’re going to start getting nasty about it, then I’m going to kind of block you and stuff. I’m I’m pretty lucky that I don’t have loads of stuff like that. But I think that it that is the fear. It’s the you know, what if? What if my Okay, so this is a big thing for people who go online. I’m going to say I was about to say especially the Brits, I think but I know American to worry about this as well. What will my friends and family think? Because they see me on Facebook, and you know that they know me, this will make Christmas they see me talking about my kids and stuff like but here I am talking about how to build a business, or how to build a coaching business. So here I am talking about my my new health coaching business or my you know, I’ve set myself up as a Reiki little, you know, whatever it might be, and suddenly you are being something different to what the people in your world maybe expect you to do. Because it’s a kind of a weird thing. I mean, I don’t know about you, but most people in my world don’t still don’t really get how I run a business online.
David Ralph [11:30]
And I still don’t understand how you’re doing it, Joe, I’ll be honest. That is the million dollar question. How are you doing it? How have you got the ability at half past nine on a Thursday morning to be having these conversations? How have you created that flexibility in your life when you’ve been so ingrained with the corporate get better at a certain time, the board meetings and all that kind of stuff? Because that is the big mindset thing, isn’t it?
Jo Casey [11:56]
Yeah, I mean, one of the big mindset things was I treat this like a business now. Whereas I think for the first couple years, it was kind of this this kind of thing that I’m doing kind of on the side, and you know, I’ll make it fit in. Whereas now, you know, I prioritize it. But also I make sure it fits in with with the other things I’ve got going on in my life that doesn’t always go to plan. Sometimes things happen. Like, you know, it turns out it was parents evening, yesterday evening, as you already know, and my son hadn’t let me know until half an hour before parents evening started and I have a call booked in. Now you’re saying
David Ralph [12:32]
you don’t just say you had a call booked a breeze past? Who did you have the call with? And who did you blow out at the very last minute under a banner of unprofessional activity? I know, I know,
Jo Casey [12:46]
it was it was with you. And yeah, it was one of those moments that like the first kind of minute or so I kind of go into this kind of white hot mortification and then kind of go, Okay, I’m just got, you know, you’ve just got to sometimes be flexible with this stuff and hope that the the podcast hosts that you are going to be doing an interview with the next day is gracious enough to forgive you for the fact that you leave them out for the
David Ralph [13:15]
meeting. But there’s a key point there, then I think that is how things move through as well, certainly in the online environment. When I started, there was nothing that was going to get in the way of what I was doing. And I remember and I’ve told the story a lot, recording 12 back to back podcast episodes in one day. I would never do that again. Absolutely not. And I remember recording a couple with migraines where I could hardly see that sort of screen because I didn’t want to let people down. I didn’t want them to think that I wasn’t professional. Now I’m more. You know, I’m happy to say that hang on, I’m not feeling very well. Can we reschedule? Because it’s not online? Is it it’s humans trapped in a computer. And that’s the thing once you realize that all these people that are doing it, I’ve got their backstory have gotten their kids to look after have got there, you know, moments when I suddenly realized, Oh, my schedule booking hasn’t quite worked. And I’ve got two things in it is very flexible. And you get to that point, you realize that actually yeah, Joe can blow me off. Yes, I did walk around the garden kicking the gnomes for 20 minutes. But after that, I let it go and I moved on.
Jo Casey [14:22]
Thank you, and Please apologize for the gnomes for me.
David Ralph [14:25]
I didn’t have gnomes anyway. But um, do you? Do you really feel that you are where you are now? Or is it the start and we can begin to sort of delve into what you’re really doing. But do you feel like, now you’ve got it going and going very well. But actually, the possibilities are lining up in front of you
Jo Casey [14:43]
know, I feel I feel like this is the star I feel like this past year has been a real kind of everything coalescing and and and so that it finally started cooking on gas and properly coming together. So that you know, there was being you know, proper regular income and proper clients and stuff like that. And I now know it. So one of the big things for me, because I also
still kind of run workshops, I have a
kind of offline stuff as well. Now I run workshops and I have a long standing associate position. And with that, it’s it’s good money when it comes in. But it’s always that kind of waiting for the phone to ring or welcome waiting female Can you do these days type type of thing I do about six a year for the midnight, it’s nothing kind of. But I remember a long time, that was my my idea of how our business worked a bit like being a freelancer, you kind of have to wait for the phone to ring. And one of the really nice things that is finally kind of clicked into place this past kind of 12 months is that with an online business, you can drive that much more. So I know that I have a like a group coaching program that I run, I know that if I launched that three or four times a year, I can almost predict what type of income I’m going to be getting from that. And then if there are certain things that I know, if I do X, Y, and Zed, then I will be having kind of more intake sessions with clients. And that’s I’m not my client. So that’s a really nice position to be in. But that honestly has only been the past 12 months that’s kind of come together. For me, that was always the dream. And now it’s kind of to build on that.
David Ralph [16:24]
Right? Okay, so let’s put our heads together, let’s give some experience to the listeners out there who are thinking of doing the entrepreneurial leap going for it. But they’re kind of they’re used to getting their salary every month they turn up and every month it goes into their bank account. Do they have to go through feast and famine cycles in the first year? Or is there a way that they can transition naturally to a point but it’s not going to be so dramatic? And they’re all sharing one can of beans with the kids?
Jo Casey [16:56]
Um, well, my, my approach to it has always been don’t go all out helpful other and, you know, quit your job, follow the dream unless you have enough income to either kind of carry forward or you’ve got something part time on the side that you can be doing. And that that’s merely my approach. I know other people would would disagree, there were some people who would say, No, actually having a burning platform, having that, you know, you know, you’re not going to be able to pay the bills unless you get out there and hustle. That’s a really good motivator. For me, that just sends me into terror. And when I get into terror, panic mode, I freeze, I’m not doing my best kind of creative thinking. So for me, what I did is I transitioned and I got a part time job that I did three days a week. And I had this associate position came along and that kind of gave me the cushion so that it meant that when I was having the the leaner months with my coaching business before it all kind of came together, then you know, I could pay the mortgage and my kids were going to be fed. Because that’s the bottom line. That’s the important thing. I don’t give a stuff about what your dream is. But if your dream means that you’re going to get your house repossessed that that dream job and you know, find a different way to make that dream work.
David Ralph [18:10]
Yeah, we call it in this show, we call it the slider faith. And I always say to people, there’s two ways of doing it. Number one, you Chi about work like mad works doing a job. Or a second thing is you look whilst you’re in a job at reducing your overhead as much as possible. So that you can sort of transition again quite easily, I did a kind of combination about I work like Steve looking back on it, I didn’t think it was. But now I can see how my dots join up as a good name for a show, I should bring that in. But I’m going to trademark that instantly. But um, I look at it over the last 20 years or so I got to a point that literally I was debt free, my house was paid off, everything was done and dusted. Before I came to make my entrepreneurial leap. So when I left, it wasn’t too damaging to me. My situation went on, I could have, you know, numerous months of famine, and it wouldn’t hurt me. Now, would I do that again. Now? I probably would do exactly what you’re saying. If I was giving the advice to people, I would say, look at ways of building some kind of income streaming, look at ways of going, how can I get a free telephone each month, I need a telephone, what can I do to just get that paid, and work at chipping away because I think a lot of people get struggled with going, why I’m earning three grand a month, I need to have three grand replicated. And of course you don’t do you you can sort of, you know, drop down on your shopping a little bit and drop down on your free mobile phones and your Netflix and all that kind of stuff to get to that point when you keep the lights on. And once you get there. That’s the beauty because you’ve got so much free time because you’re not going to work. But you’ve got the opportunities to hustle. So I tie in totally with what you’re saying. But now you’ve got the belief in yourself. You’re willing to actually put the key in the engine and start the car and drive to the opportunities were at the floor. You were sort of waiting for it to drive to you.
Jo Casey [20:09]
Yeah, yeah. And I think that’s it. That’s a mindset shift. And but also there’s, you know, some knowledge that you need there as well, you need to know, well, what stops the day?
David Ralph [20:20]
Well, let’s play a bit of motivational comment now, which I love putting in the show. And this is something that Jim Carrey said, and I’ve been waiting to actually play this to you, Joe, because I’m intrigued by what you will come out with on this. This is Jim Carrey,
Jim Carrey [20:32]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [20:58]
Now with yourself background, do you need to go for what you would love? Or do you go for the thing that will kind of increase your happiness somehow against the humdrum of the existence that most of us have found ourselves in going to jobs that we don’t really like doing?
Jo Casey [21:16]
it for me though, the one in the same, the the doom what I love increase my happiness. But that kind of fits into a, you know, a wider system of if I say if I just loved I don’t know. So I decided I wanted to go from being a Hollywood actor and just just announced I was going to move to LA Well, actually, I’m in love that but my overall happiness would decrease dramatically because I would have to leave my my family and my kids and my husband and I’d get there and they go you’re a 44 year old woman and we need you to lose like 60 pounds or something ridiculous. And that that wouldn’t help. So for me, it’s always about looking at the the whole picture. Because it’s really easy to follow the thing that you love, and go all out to build a business and then fine. Actually, I’ve got no time. I’m not spending any quality time with the my family. My friends, I’m not nurturing myself in any other way. So you know, I haven’t got it probably is because this is what I do. This is this is my hobby, and now it’s become my business and, and so your quality of life can very easily diminish, because you put in so much into the thing that you love. So it’s always this balance, I think.
David Ralph [22:37]
But But don’t you think that with the people out there, you know, I like looking at dustman or garbage collectors. And one of the reasons I like it, there’s no training, they just pick it up as I go along. I love that Joe never gets bored. But one of the things I like about them as well, is the fact that there’s a kind of little dustman garbage community going on. And one of them’s driving the others running behind and stuff. And I look at that. And I think, for many, many years, I was in an office environment, and I saw no wherever. And so that wouldn’t be the thing that I love doing. But I think it would make me happy in the interim. And I believe a lot of what we need to do on this show and your show to get people thinking about it is not going for the you must love this. It’s a kind of, would this make you happy? Does this actually break the routines of what you’re trapped in to get you going until you find that being and once again, a little sort of slide of faith into happiness before you find the big lump.
Jo Casey [23:37]
I really like the idea. And I think this, it’s about only squeezing the juice of life every day. So you know, you have to enjoy the journey that if you’re pinning everything on the thing, you know, whether that be I will have my own podcast that has you know, hundred thousand downloads a week or whatever, or, you know, whatever your thing is, but you forget get to actually have a happy life on the way there, then you’ve missed the point. So then there’s something about but you know, for some of the happiest people I know other people have jobs that they don’t give up. Can I swear on this? They don’t give a stuff about that. Because wearing was
Unknown Speaker [24:17]
Jo Casey [24:18]
No, no, it wasn’t I changed.
David Ralph [24:22]
What were you gonna say? What did it start with?
Jo Casey [24:25]
It started with an S and then to do with the tea? Oh, well.
David Ralph [24:29]
I understand what it is. You’re You’re like a sub. Is it substitute? Oh, no, that ends in and he doesn’t it?
Jo Casey [24:38]
Anyway, so if you don’t give up stuff about you your job, but actually that pays your, your bills. And that gives you enough kind of fuel if you like to go and do the stuff that does make you happy. Yeah, some of the happiest people I know, just just have jobs. And you know, it’s not a career. It’s not a calling or anything like that, because that’s calling the thing that kind of, you know, really lights them up is something else. And I think that being an entrepreneur is great, but it’s also really hard work. And I know some people who’ve gone into it because it’s a for example, a friend of mine is a writer. And when we were 1516 he was a huge Smith’s fan from the Smiths.
David Ralph [25:25]
I do remember
Jo Casey [25:26]
Yes. Huge Marcy fan he would write to Marcy every single day. And Marty would never write back. And so my friend started be like I’m short stories.
David Ralph [25:38]
I just for Joe for people out there, but don’t notice me it’s Can you just sing a couple of our song? Oh,
Jo Casey [25:48]
no, you do it.
David Ralph [25:50]
The DJ, Hang the DJ hang out. That’s the only one I can think of it. Oh, charming. Man. That was another one wasn’t it? I were miserable bandwidth. I remember listening to the when I was going college, everybody loved this MIPS. And so I used to listen to Nik Kershaw on the Thompson Twins because it was happy music. I like happy music, and the Smiths was miserable. But anyway, if you’re not going to sing, then we’ll get back to your story.
Jo Casey [26:13]
anyway, so my friend wrote a play based on a Smith song and sent it off, I’m writing it always been his kind of a solace is his hobby, he loved it. And this play won an award at the Royal Court Theatre in in London, and Marty wrote back to him and not only that him and Morrissey then kind of became almost kind of friends and, and Jonathan started this this writing career. And he was he was writing for some of the soaps. And he was, yeah, he’s doing really well. And we lost touch for a few years. And I, there was, I don’t know, six, seven years later that I bumped into him. He was, you know, from the outside to me, he had it made, he was making really good money, we were all still struggling and poor. And he, you know, he was doing this this amazing, glamorous thing. And I remember getting drunk with it. And one night and him saying, you know, I, I miss just writing for fun, I missed the fact that, you know, this deadline and what I’m doing now, it sucks the joy out of the thing that he loved,
David Ralph [27:16]
I can understand that. Yeah, I can understand that totally. Because what you want to do is do the thing that you would do for nothing, because it’s just fun to do. And once it becomes business, I’ve been very aware of that with this show. But I’m very much now down to the fact that it’s under my control. And so I turn off my computer, and I walk away from it. And nobody can get me because I was very into Tim Ferriss for a while and his four hour workweek. The thing that I remember, big time on that was how many times you paint yourself into a corner. And in all businesses, you should make yourself near the door so you can walk away from it. And so as I’m doing this, I don’t think I’m ever going to lose the fun of it. Because I’ve maintained, how can I say that sort of balance between what I have to do and what I want to do. And it’s already profitable. You know, I think that once I hand over control to people, and I start saying, right, you got to do another four episodes on a Wednesday and you’ve got to do fat, then you lose it somehow. Do you think with what you’re doing, you are a control freak like me. So you can already see the issues. And so you’re not going to get into that same situation like Morrissey’s me.
Jo Casey [28:31]
Yeah, absolutely a control freak. I hope in the in the good way. But you know, this is my business. And one of the things that I kind of thought about it was well, I’ve done the working for the people. And so if I’m going to be working for myself, then I want to be a good boss to myself. And there is that one of the important things for me is like, Well, does it make sense? Does it feel integrity, which is very coaching work? But does that feel good? To me? I feel like you know that that’s something that I want to be doing that, you know, I get approached you must do as well, you know, I get approached to joint ventures or have people on on as guests on the show. And you just think No, you’re not a good fit. And you’re maybe you know got a different style and you’re going about things different way that that doesn’t feel good. Now, it may make sense on one level, I’m sure if I had an online business manager, so you know, this person got really big profile, and they could do really good for you for the show. But actually, if it’s going to be a rubbish conversation, or it’s going to be loads of hassle or just don’t think it’s going to be something that fits in with what I’m wanting to do with my business, then I’ll say no. And that’s been one of the the really nice aspects that’s also come in this this past year is the fact that I said no to a lot more things.
Unknown Speaker [29:49]
But it becomes a much clearer
Jo Casey [29:50]
vision of where I want to take things. Yeah,
David Ralph [29:52]
that’s right. If you say no, enough, allow space for the big yeses. And I’m total believer in the super yeses that shoots you on. And at the beginning, I think I said no to a lot of stuff. Because I was frightened of proving my work somehow. And now, you know, I told you a couple of things. Before that. We started recording about podcasting. And you went, Oh, my God, you know, I never knew that. I didn’t think that that kind of knowledge was worthwhile. So I didn’t sort of share it with the world. Now, a lot of the time I get these opportunities. Do you get that opportunity? Joe comes through maybe three or four times a week to do those naked podcaster calendars? Do You Do you ever get most?
Jo Casey [30:35]
No, they don’t approach me. But I can see why they’re approaching you.
David Ralph [30:40]
Well, I keep on turning it down. Because I’ve got a very small microphone, and I’m not happy with what could cover me. What is it that matters? Well, absolutely. And I’m still haven’t mastered that yet. But I’m getting these kind of weird opportunities come through to me. And somebody said to me on a show, and I think this is brilliant advice. But when something comes true to you, if it excites you, but it also confuses you, then don’t do it. You know, it adds to your confusion, then don’t do it. And I think that’s great advice for everybody. Certainly at the beginning when they’re starting to think about what they want to do. If they are thinking to themselves, yeah, I’m going to go for this because Joe Casey is crushing it, and I’m going to be a coach. And I’m going to do all that kind of stuff. But actually, you can’t understand how to do the first three steps. Ben, it’s not naturally your thing is just going to add to confusion. You’ve got to be able to at least walk into that room and having some kind of base knowledge. So she said that to me. And I think that’s brilliant advice. If it confuses you, but don’t do it. And I’m not gonna do that make it Canada. I’m not unless you do it. Joe.
Jo Casey [31:44]
Does it confuse you?
David Ralph [31:46]
And I don’t do the winter months. I don’t want to do the winter months.
Unknown Speaker [31:54]
Here we go.
David Ralph [31:55]
Moving on. Indeed. So yeah, so so to get on it get confused. Sometimes going yeah, it’s going really well. But I don’t know, he just kind of bit confused.
Jo Casey [32:08]
Yeah, and I think this part because I’m pretty,
I suppose creative when it comes to approach my business, which can work really well. But I can take on to try and keep too many balls in the air. For now for now.
David Ralph [32:26]
I didn’t go with it that I promise you. I’m a professional will let that one pass me. I know, I know. I know.
Jo Casey [32:30]
So one of the challenges for me.
And I know a lot of entrepreneurs can can relate to this. Because if you’ve got that kind of entrepreneurial thing, you tend to be an ideas person. So I got lots of new exciting ideas and gotta go, I think I’ll do that. I think I’ll do that. And I think to do that. And that’s the one of the challenges. But one of the things it’s really worth it is to assess those ideas and kind of go Okay, is that idea actually going to add to something? Is that something to put on the back burner? Or would that take me in a total different direction? Now Could I spend the next three months pursuing the idea, which would mean I would neglect the things that I’ve gotten already. So there’s something about also having a discipline built in, so that you can still do the stuff for evil and there’s a bit of ego now I wanna I don’t want to do that today. I don’t want to, you know, edit podcast, or, you know, write a blog post or something like that. Some of the stuff that you may be not loving, to go off and do this new, shiny, exciting thing. And so it’s been able to have the discipline to not confuse yourself as well, I think.
David Ralph [33:28]
So are you at that stage now that you don’t do a lot of what you don’t love? You know, when you’re starting everything, you do a lot of sloppy stuff over that period, you get better at doing it. And so you don’t have to spend so much time are you at that point?
Jo Casey [33:42]
Pretty much Yeah, I don’t outsource a lot. I outsource some aspects of my podcast. And I know outsourcing is meant to be the thing that everybody you know, says it will free up your time, but maybe it’s because I’m too much of a control freak. Because you know, like, well, I don’t outsource the editing of my podcast because I know what I want want to go in there. And it would take me as long if not longer to explain some details and arm as well do it myself because I can do it really quickly now because I’m you know, I’m good. I outsource things like show notes. Because actually, I find that really boring. I want to have the conversation. And then someone else can type up the notes of the other conversation. So this this, this stuff like that been noticing that there’s this the things that Yeah, I’m pretty good at that pretty quickly. And then there’s also the stuff like you are never taking that away from me over my you know, your pride south, my cold dead hands, because you know, things that have been doing the interviews, doing actual coaching calls, I can’t imagine myself ever wanting to stop doing the actual one to one coaching. Yes, some coaches when they get really big, and I’m nowhere near that stage yet. But they hire coaches to almost do the coaching for them. And I kind of think what was the point of that? Well,
David Ralph [34:53]
yeah, but that’s when the scalability comes in, doesn’t it because what you’re doing, you’re been coaching both coaches become you. And so they’re still getting the same quality. If I go to a Gordon Ramsay restaurant, I don’t expect Gordon to be there all the time. You know, I expect the quality of food to be Gordon Ramsay quality. So why wouldn’t I be happy with Joe Casey training somebody up to be Joe Casey, it’s like I feel multiplicity to remember that film multiplicity with Michael Keaton.
Jo Casey [35:22]
I do bad fail,
Unknown Speaker [35:24]
always a good film, you know,
David Ralph [35:28]
you come on my show and you this multiplicity. But it was brilliant. But he sort of copied himself and but then he copied the copy. And as in like photocopies, the quality got worse and worse and worse until he was sort of not able to control it. But the premise is right. And I think why can’t Joe Casey build a platform? That is good. I like it, it engages me, but then train other people. McDonald’s do it as well. You know, it’s just a franchise, you could be like the the McDonalds of coaching.
Jo Casey [36:00]
There’s a tagline. Yeah, I think that model works for lots of people. Here’s the thing I think is different for a number of, of coaches. So those are the people that I work with tend to be life coaches, health coaches, holistic practitioners. And I think it’s Tony Robbins that says, you know, are you an entrepreneur or you’re an artist. So if you’re an entrepreneur, then you can, you would happily build your business to the point where you cannot leave it, you could sell that business. Whereas if you’re an artist, you’re building up a way of generating income and making your living making a really good living from your art. And so for me, the coaching work that I do, that’s my, that’s my creativity, that’s my my art. So I, I, you know, I’ve read the, you know, the E myth and things like that, and totally appreciate appreciates the theory of it by know for me, the whole point of doing this so that I get to practice my craft, which is the coaching and that certainly at the stage I’m at now, I would never want to lose that. And the more I get into this, and the more that this kind of grows, the stronger, the more convinced I am of that, I actually thought at one point, I’ll do group coaching programs exclusively. And then I won’t have to do the one to one works, that you know that exchanging your time for money isn’t scalable, and things like that. But actually, now that I have great programs, it makes me want to do the one to one work even more
David Ralph [37:33]
interesting, because I’ve got a group platform, and I see the change in the guys. And the ladies there is amazing. And they are so cost effective for the attendees. You know, you can do them on a shoestring but the power of them because it’s the power of crowds. And in common knowledge base, I think they’re brilliant. So you know, you do both, don’t you? You do?
Jo Casey [38:00]
Do both, and they are great. You know, I have a great program. It’s fantastic. I love doing it. I don’t ever want to stop doing it. But I think when I first came into I kind of thought I would Oh yeah, I’ll do that themselves. So I’m just doing that. And then I won’t have to do that kind of one to one. But I what I’ve discovered is I love doing both.
David Ralph [38:19]
When I started busy. It’s funny when if you go back to 1987, I remember this distinctly a chat came on the British television called Jonathan Ross. And I don’t know about American listeners know who Jonathan Ross was. But as soon as he was on the TV, I had people coming up to me going Oh, You sound just like Jonathan Ross. And for years and years and years, I’ve had fat. So when I started doing the podcast, I knew exactly what I wanted. And I wanted to be a podcast host, I wanted to be a radio host, I wanted to be somebody that communicates and expresses their their passions, their desires to the world. And in the early days, I have people all the time saying, Oh, you should be doing this, you should be doing that. And it was all taking me away from what I wanted to develop. And so I didn’t do it. So I just stayed firm on that. And I’ve just tried to get better and better and better and better at doing what I’m doing. And I do think but if you do choose one thing, and do it incredibly well. And to the point where people can’t deny it, but you are good. And you know, I’m getting there. I’m nowhere near what I want to be but I’m getting there. I do think that’s when the true power comes, isn’t it. So the fact that you’re doing group coaching, and online coaching, and one to one and all that kind of stuff, I can see the scalability being an issue. But I can also lead towards a question Joe saying, I’m going to take everything away from you, except for one thing that you are going to do better than anybody else out there. What would be your one thing
Unknown Speaker [39:55]
than anybody else out there?
Unknown Speaker [39:58]
I thought Sir, do
Jo Casey [40:03]
my coach he said he’s struggling with that, because my whole kind of philosophy is that everyone has scale. That’s an f1 heart, you know, beautiful snowflakes and all of that, I suppose I suppose one things I am very good at. And I I do kind of own the fact I’m very good. I’m very good at coaching coaches, to be able to build something and get themselves out there in a way that not only feels good, but is really effective. So it’s about this combination of helping them to bring out everything that they have that’s unique and really good about them so that they can develop this that their own voice and get themselves out there. So they stand out, but also in a way that’s going to attract their their perfect customers and I am really good at that.
David Ralph [40:49]
So would that be your super talent? If you ripped open your blouse and you had a big s? Would that be written in small letters underneath it?
Jo Casey [40:56]
Yeah, I saw that I sometimes photo is kind of coaching alchemy. So it’s like I will help you to bring out all the right elements in you. And then we’ll find the right clients who have all the right elements and then when you bring those together, you know something magical happens.
David Ralph [41:11]
Because he’s funny. Well, it’s not funny because this is the way that life operates. But it struck me as weird in the very beginning. But every single person that I was speaking to had a coach no matter how successful they were, they had a coach and a mentor and even people like Tony Robbins I bet he’s got a coach or mentor somewhere you know, but just keeps on pushing you on. Now I touched on this a lot but it’s one of those things that can rock it you forward at a rate of not but people are reluctant to spend the money certainly at the beginning. So they they pussyfoot around and they try things and they struggle I I did that and I’ve never had a coach once but fortunately for this role he tapped into lots of lots of people so you kind of get multiple headed coach now did you do the same thing to you Did you have a coach and then trusting yourself right the very beginning or did you do it by sort of struggle to the point but you you built it up but you look back on it now go oh god if I had a coach I could have done that in six months?
Jo Casey [42:10]
No, I did it your way through struggle which is ironic I know for the job that I do but I guess I kind of thought well I’m a coach so I know this stuff. So I can do it for myself and also I’m kind of stuff and I’m bit of a control freak so I wanted to kind of you know, work it all out and the also brutal honesty was that for the first couple years I was running my business Yeah, we were really skin we have no money. My husband was out of work he come back to college because he worked in the building trade and the you know, the after the recession, the whole building traded was just on its knees so I’d not long had a baby. So I’d been off on maternity leave. I was in a job that was part time it was you know, there were some months we were struggling to kind of you know, put foot not quite put food on the table. But you know, there were no luxuries and said the idea of having a coach just seemed to too much. Once my business started making money, then I I did tentatively invest sighs first of all did kind of booked people like maybe one off strategy sessions. I then invested in a bigger kind of mastermind that I joined. And that was with some Cortana Gentilly who is just fabulous. And now I do have a coach. But it certainly was I look back and, and kind of thing. Yeah, there was a lot of years of struggle that had I just been able to come up with the funded Joe or justify the frontage. Maybe that would have made it a lot easier. But you know, I learned my lessons the hard way. And there’s something in that as well.
David Ralph [43:43]
Yeah, but is there you know, I now think that life is about being easy, I do think but I think that nature works very easily. I think water flows naturally to where it needs to go. But we just find a closed door and we bash upon it for our upon our where there’s an open one, two feet to the left, and we don’t bother, we just go, this is the way I’m going to go, this is the way I’m going to go. So if I send you back in time live, which I am going to do later on, but it won’t send you back in time now to the same position with your knowledge, would you credit card it? Would you go right? I’m going to pay for a coach on the credit card because I know, six months later, I’ll be able to pay that back because it will rock it me forward.
Jo Casey [44:29]
Tommy says yes. But parties also whether they’ll be other people listen to this kind of go what they effectively done. I’m saying if you’re unsure about the
David Ralph [44:38]
people, you’re talking about yourself, Joe, this is the question or
Unknown Speaker [44:41]
Jo Casey [44:43]
would i would i would i
if i just found the right with all the knowledge that I know now? Yes, I would didn’t know if
it would have been a hell of a lot easier.
David Ralph [44:54]
Yeah, I think that’s one answer, because I would have done as well. But the problem that I’ve got a lot of it, I’ve gone past now. And so I I’ve moved into areas, and I’ll be totally transparent with you where I am. Now I’ve gone beyond where I need to be for certain people. And I haven’t quite decided in my mind what I want to achieve on the next level. So I’ve got this very nice life where I record, I make very nice money. And it’s kind of quite easy, you know. And what I want to do is break and I am doing it, I’m breaking it all down at the moment, to be able to provide maximum value for a million people, I’ve got this figure in my head or providing, you know, a million people with the confidence and the big dream starting to get better. But doing it a very sort cost effective amount. And so I’m just going to playing around at the moment, and it’s quite fun. But I do think that if I had gone back in time and just paid for it, I would have got there three times as quick.
Jo Casey [45:54]
Yeah, but I’m also the philosophy of one of my favorite phrases is that everyone is ever happened to you has been the perfect preparation for the person you’re meant to become. So actually, I wouldn’t be nearly as good with the clients that I work with and able to, you know, get where they’re coming from what it feels like to be in that struggle, what it feels like to think I What if I spend this money and they turn out to be the wrong coach, because you know, that happens a lot as well. You know, we don’t care about the people who spent all the money and it didn’t work. So the fact that I did do it the hard way. Even though I do kind of wish I hadn’t, in many ways taken that long route, I did take a lot from the long route. Because I know the mistakes you can make. I know some the mindset things that telling people, I’m not ready for this, I’m too scared for this, I can’t take that leap yet. That’s not for the likes of me, I get all of that that kind of helps with my, the amount of empathy that I have people but also I can kind of go Look, I can shave three years of your learning curve easily. You need to talk to me, as I can say that hand and heart because I walked that path.
David Ralph [46:59]
So say that quote again. Because in case that listeners didn’t get it,
Jo Casey [47:04]
everything that has ever happened to you is the perfect preparation for the person you’re meant to be.
David Ralph [47:10]
They’re all scribbling it down. I would say no experience is wasted. That’s a same kind of thing in it.
Jo Casey [47:16]
Yeah. Yeah. So the fact that you know, you and I both had corporate jobs that were sucky. And we, you know, we didn’t like we still learned a lot from them. If we’re only you, but you learned the fact that actually I want to do whatever I can to make sure I’m never in that position. Again.
David Ralph [47:31]
I don’t think my job was sucky. I think my job was easy. Really, that was the problem with me, I got to a point where I literally, they, because I was a training development guy. After a while, you become a bit of a magpie and I used to have about 100 courses that I could just do. And then they would say to me, in the early days, could you write a course on flood defenses? And I used to say, Yeah, no problem. It’s gonna take me about two weeks to write back because I had to research it and build it. But after 100 courses, I think my Okay, good, Nick, a bit from that one, Nick, a bit from that one. Yeah. Okay, it’s gonna take two weeks. Yeah, that’s fine. And I could do it in about two hours. So I had so much free time just floating around really amusing myself in the office. And once you get to that point, and you think yourself, I’m really not justifying my, my attendance here. That was me. So it wasn’t a sucky job. It just got easy. And I think that’s a real killer, isn’t it? So many people say to me, I was earning very good money, but God, I was bored. Or I was earning very good money. But I didn’t really know what I was doing. That’s another one that I say. And so you do have to get to a point when you you can justify your actions. And once you start justifying your actions, in an environment that you love, as we were talking about it, that’s when it all starts coming together for you.
Jo Casey [48:51]
Yeah, I think that when you kind of wake up in the one just go, why am I doing this? I think that’s when it becomes just that, that doesn’t becomes really draining. So they call it you know, it’s like the opposite of burnout. It’s called Ross stout.
David Ralph [49:05]
I never heard that rust. Oh, yeah, that’s exactly it, isn’t it?
Jo Casey [49:09]
Yeah, it is. It’s that you know, you’re not sharpening the sore as Stephen Covey was Kofi would say. And, yeah, that the idea of like having not having a purpose, we all need a purpose. We all need this real connection to a sense of purpose,
David Ralph [49:24]
when I’ve got a purpose, and it’s LinkedIn with the words, but this guy is going to say now, because he said these back in 2005. And they’re still as valuable today. This is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [49:35]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards, 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road, will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [50:09]
So does it make all the difference?
Jo Casey [50:13]
Yeah, I think so.
David Ralph [50:15]
So when you look back in your life, where’s your big doc? Then where’s where’s the moment that really was when you transitioned mentally to believing that you can do this?
Jo Casey [50:29]
I think when I first did my very first coach training, I mean, there was there was a moment before that when I went to work for bt, or what Nicole center for British Telecom. And I’d never done any training I’ve ever done a teaching or anything like that, and really hated the idea of being a teacher. But there was in the course, and those are very, very bored in the call center taking calls every day. And an opportunity came up to cover one the trainer’s when the call center trainers, well, they went off on maternity leave. And so I gave it a go. And the first time I stood up in that training room, it just felt like Yes, so that was a big one that was like, I didn’t know you could do this, this was and I think, you know, my degree had been in drama. So before that I had been, I had very short lived stint as an actress. And that that whole kind of bringing together the performance things that I did that you know, you you performing, in a way with all of that, that knowledge and helping to help people to grow. And to learn, even if it was you know, how to use the course and system just felt like magic kind of coming together. And then the next stage was when I did my very first coach training program, which was about 10 years after that maybe. And having that first kind of coaching conversation and in the training group, and just kind of wild this is this is amazing the change that you can help to bring about in people just by asking them some questions and being really curious and, and listening and holding that space for them. That was another one of those moments that kind of go wow,
David Ralph [52:16]
but but having those that wasn’t there a bit of you, but when this is great, this is really easy. You can’t make money from this. This is too easy. Oh, yeah,
Jo Casey [52:27]
yeah, I mean, I’m, I’m my kind of story with coaching is I gave a guy who followed the older the things that my coach called Thomas, and this came back like 15 years ago, and then fell completely on my face. Because I realized that even though I loved all the coaching stuff, the business side of it was a lot a lot harder. So gave it up, but carried on doing coaching, because I just loved it so much, I didn’t expect to get paid for it. I just carried on doing that’s how I really developed my craft, because I just I carried on doing it for about 678 years, without expecting any payment, I just kind of persuaded my body work to let me kind of coach on the side. And then it, I ended up coaching managers in the organization that I worked in. And then I got asked to start running some coach training programs for other people. So we had in house coaches, and I just kept doing it. And I kept kind of almost being an internal entrepreneur, if you like, just kind of ever she did this, we should do that. And, and I was just doing it purely for the love of this, this thing called coaching because I could see how powerful it was and seeing the change that you made. And it didn’t really occur to me that I could make a living from that because I you know, I know, my, my organization, were paying me to do that as part of my job. But I didn’t occur to me that I could run that as a business until quite a bit later. And it took a while for me to believe that because it did come So naturally, and I just I loved it.
David Ralph [53:50]
I think there’s three stages, isn’t there really, or maybe four stages. The first stage is the kind of boredom or the rust, Rusty, whatever you said, when you rust out when you in that situation. And then you go through the fear of Can I do this can i do is can I do this. And when you start doing it, and you learn a lot, and you push and you make all your mistakes, as you say when nobody’s looking. And then that fourth stage is when the mental belief comes in, I think you’ve got to go through three stages before you actually get to that point when you go. I actually think I can do this. And I think I’ll be making a lot more difficult than it was but literally, action after action after action mistakes, failures, get back up, give it another go. The Google how to that’s amazing thing to sort of help you through how do I do this? And how do I do that? And then that mental aspect then sort of breaks down into little sections. But that’s the moment when it all comes together. When you realize that actually, yeah, I had a moment. And this is a really weird story. I was in a pub a little while ago, probably about six months ago. And if you’re in the UK, United Kingdom, and somebody said says to you, you know, what do you do for a living and you say podcaster, you might as well upset a peak juggler or whatever. Nobody understands what podcasting is. So I generally say, Oh, I’m a chat show host and people who read the chat show hosts or Oh, I’m on the radio, whatever. And yeah, I was in this pub, and this guy was chatting to my mate. And we were just talking, never met him before. And he was saying, Yeah, I do a lot of commuting. He said, so I’m in the car for a lot. And I said, so what do you do? radio to one all the time? He said, Well, I used to, but now I do podcasts? And he said, and yeah, there’s this new one that I’ve discovered. And I love this. I love this show. And I said what’s it called being a podcaster? And I thought he was gonna say everything else. He said, join up dots. And I went really? And he went, yeah. And he said, and it’s funny actually listening to you talk, you sound a bit like the guy who does the show. And I said to him, Well, actually, it’s my anyone know it’s not. And my mic went, Yeah, it is. And he got out his mp3 player and actually had to prove it was me. And it was like, honestly, Jesus was having a point with him. And it made me realize at that time, but my belief in what I was putting out to the world hadn’t got to the point of what the listeners were listening to and believing. And when I realized that he actually couldn’t believe that this guy sitting in the pub was creating this show. And it was a professional outfit. That was one of my dots. That’s when it came together. And I realized that mentally I had stepped through that door, I was ready to believe totally what I was doing, because the world was already believing it if that makes sense. Yeah.
Jo Casey [56:41]
Yeah, it does. It makes it makes total sense. And I it’s almost like you need a bit of an identity upgrade. So you know, to totally own what you’re doing. Yeah, we do need sometimes those little reminders and it’s it’s funny, it was like me being invited to talks about the podcasting conference. And I was invited to and it was actually in Manchester and I just went Oh, no, that that’s not for the likes of me that’s like proper podcasters. And then hearing after somebody when it just like no, you would have been total kind of grandmother because most people were just starting out and but in my head, I wasn’t a proper podcaster. Like at the time in my head, I wasn’t you know, a proper bona fide D kind of coach. And I think you do need sometimes to to have those identity upgrades so that you can say, yeah, I’m, it’s not just what is going because it’s it’s weird if you’re putting stuff out there. And it must be a little bit, you know, how actors talk about the difference between being on stage and being on TV or doing film is that that if you’re on stage, the feedback is media. When we’re online, that feedback can can take quite a while. And sometimes it’s a bit mixed. And such as you know, you just relying on comments that people have left. Where is that having the conversation with someone just out of the blue? When when they they, they’re just talking and you know, they’re not trying to impress you because they don’t know it’s you. And when he’s talking about what, how much he likes your podcast, that I think is one of those moments that kind of almost jolt you out of the the mental belief system that you’ve got going on?
David Ralph [58:22]
Yeah, I think so. And it certainly certainly was good for me. He didn’t ask for a selfie or an autograph that annoyed me. Can you can you know? I wonder if podcast our probably john Lee Dumas he gets selfies left, right and center, I imagine but the rest of us were were just hidden away. But if you are looking at Mr. listeners, if you’re looking for a bloody good show, we haven’t really touched on this. But Joe, go over to iTunes and tapping Joe Casey ca se y and you’ll love it. It’s a great Listen, she’s a lovely lady. And she she delivers from the heart. And you can hear that on the show is a really good listen. Well, this is the end of the show now. And this is the part when we’re going to send you back in time to have a one on one with her younger self. And if she could go back in time and speak to the young Joe, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give? Well, we’re gonna find out what it is, because I’m going to play the theme tune. And when it fades, she’s up. This is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [59:26]
Jo Casey [59:41]
So this is me talking to 21 year old Joe. And I want to say, Stop worrying so much, it’s all going to be fine. It doesn’t matter what that nasty boss thinks of you. It doesn’t matter how much you weigh. It doesn’t matter that that report came back with feedback on it, it was just feedback. I know you’ve taken that as a load of criticism and another example of how you’re failing at this job. But it’s not. It’s just feedback, take what you need from it, drop the rest. The things that you’re good at the things that you are really enjoying, they’re going to be the key to what you need to do. Follow those, follow the things that light you up. And remember, there’s no foot at no failure, only feedback. So whatever happens, take what you can learn from it, and move on. You’re doing
David Ralph [1:00:36]
fine. Brilliant stuff. And Joe, just before I asked the question, now I’m going to ask the question, and I’m going to build up this is a good question. And I’m going to bring this right in at the end of the show. So this is gonna be the last question is popped into my head. But before then, what’s the number one best way that our audience can connect with you?
Jo Casey [1:00:54]
If they go to Joe casey.com. That’s j o ca se y.com calm, you can find out that’s kind of my home hub, you can find out about the podcast there. If you’re a coach and you’re wanting to connect with other coaches, I also have a Facebook group, you can find out details there. And you know, if you’re a coach, health coach, holistic practitioner, heart centered service professional, check out my articles and things on there, because there’s loads of stuff to help you build a business that’s going to feel good, but also be really effective. Great stuff. Jo Casey.
David Ralph [1:01:27]
thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining up those dots. And please come back again, when you have more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build a futures Jo Casey, thank you so much.
Jo Casey [1:01:42]
Thank you. That’s been brilliant. I’ve really enjoyed it.
David Ralph [1:01:45]
Right is the question and just before I let you go, what would you rather do? Stand up now and sing some Smith songs. or explain your theory on substitute teachers what you’re going to go with?
Jo Casey [1:02:02]
Okay, I’m gonna go with a Smith song them going in. Okay. Another sunny day, and it didn’t meet you at the cemetery gates. Oh, yeah, I caught him a very nice words, but will not do
David Ralph [1:02:14]
that. So why I was hoping you went with a substitute teachers. Jo you’ve been great. Thanks very much. Bye, bye. And that was Joe Casey with a singing voice available for bar mitzvahs, weddings, funerals, whatever you want her to sing, as long as it’s the Smiths share, come out and do it for you. But hopefully you enjoyed the episode because it is it was one that was a very sort of kindred spirit to me. But it proves the point that if you can do something, and you’re willing to work at it, and you’re willing to get over those obstacles and those failures that we all have, at the very beginning, you can get to a point where your life is very nice indeed. And that’s what we want for you guys get out there and have a good life. You know, stop moaning about what you’re doing. Go for it, because you’re the only one that can make it happen. Thanks as always for listening to join up dots. This was David Ralph. And that was Episode 495. See again, by
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