Jackie Woodside Joins Us On The Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast
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Introducing Jackie Woodside
Jackie Woodside is today’s guest joining us on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots free podcast interview.
She is a lady who is a best-selling author, TEDx speaker, radio and television personality and seminar leader who is passionate about the expanding the edge of human potential.
She has written two best-sellers, “Calming the Chaos: A Soulful Guide to Managing Your Energy Rather than Your Time” and “Time for a Change!”
As she says in her own words “I am not one of those lucky people born with success in their back pocket. In fact nothing could be further from the truth. It would be more accurate to say that I fit the classic “tragedy to triumph” story.
How The Dots Joined Up For Jackie
Before my 2nd birthday, my family experienced the death of my father, his brother and father within 9 months of one another, all in separate car accidents. That means my grandmother lost her husband and two of her three sons in 9 months. Living in a very small town, it basically became my family legacy.
My mother did the best she could to raise three kids with no husband and a high school education in the 60’s and 70’s, but let’s just say it wasn’t easy.
I had more than a few challenges moving into my teen and young adult years. Poor relationships, addiction, domestic violence and numerous psychiatric diagnoses and medications were what I knew well into my 30’s.
But of course what you know doesn’t mean it is true.
It is only the reality of your life at that moment and you can rewrite your story by making bold decisions, taking creative action, and starting to truly believe in yourself.
And since then she has done just that and as she says “I am now the happiest person I know!”
So what was the shift from a life that was all about surviving whatever was thrown her way, to one that is a wow everyday?
And is this something that anyone can do, or do the dots need to start lining up first?
Well lets find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Jackie Woodside.
During the show we discussed such weight y subjects with Jackie Woodside such as:
Why it is so important to make a mental choice of whether you want to be happy or not each and everyday of your life….it’s up to you!
Why it is so vital to consider life in the long game mentality…..don’t think that achievements will occur overnight, as every single action needs time to find it’s place.
Why she is a great believer of asking written questions to her inner voice and start sowing up everyday where the action is most needed.
Why Jackie knows that her energy levels are key to manifesting the life of her dreams, and does everything to keep them at the highest levels possible.
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Full Transcription Of Jackie Woodside Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK. David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:25]
Yes, hello there, everybody and welcome to Join Up Dots. This is David Ralph. I’ve got a cup of coffee in my hand. I’ve just had a Hot Cross, bam. And I buy hippos across the world a better ask my guest today. I’m feeling good. I’m feeling good because I am doing the best job I could possibly hope for and that’s what this show is all about. Driving you guys on to make choices. Look around and decide is what I’m doing fun. Is it enjoyable, or are there other things that I can do that would light those fires up inside? And it’s quite honestly Today’s guest is somebody who has lit those fires As up inside because I’ve already started recording this show, probably about three weeks ago, we had terrible troubles on Skype and, and technical issues. So we kind of drew a halt, and we’re going again. So it’s a pleasure to tell you that she’s a lady who is a best selling author TEDx speaker, radio and television personality and seminar leader who is passionate about the expanding the age of human potential. She’s written two bestsellers, calming the chaos, a soulful guide to managing your energy, rather than your time and time for a change. And she says, in her own words, I’m not one of those lucky people born with success in their back pocket. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth it would be more accurate to say that I fit the classic tragedy to triumph story before my second birthday, my family experienced the death of my father, his brother and father within nine months of one another, all in separate car accidents. That means my grandmother lost her husband and two other three sons in nine months. now living in a very small town. He basically became my family legacy. My Mother, she did the best To raise three kids with no husband and a high school education in the 60s and 70s. But let’s just say it wasn’t easy. I’ve had more than a few challenges moving into my teen and young adult years, poor relationships, addiction, domestic violence, and numerous psychiatric diagnoses and medications. Were what I well knew into my 30s. But of course, what you know, doesn’t mean it is true is only the reality of your life at that moment. And you can rewrite your story by making bold decisions, taking creative action, and starting to truly believe in yourself and since then, she’s done just fine. And as she says, I am now the happiest person I know. So what was the shift from a life that was all about surviving whatever was thrown her way to one but it’s a wow every day and it’s something that anyone can do, or do the dots need to start lining up first? Well, let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up. That’s for the second time with the one and only Jackie Woodside. How are you Jackie?
Jackie Woodside [2:54]
I’m just awesome. I like to say I’m happy when people ask me that. How are you? People say oh, I’m fine. I’m this I’m that No, I’m happy. It said it beats the alternative. He’s a weirdo thing, isn’t it? Because
David Ralph [3:06]
I was in the United Kingdom we had the not too bad. Yeah. How are you today? No, not too bad. Yeah. And you think we should he can do better than that. I tell a story, Jackie, about a guy. And I’ve said it on a couple of podcasts who had to go to France. And he was a white miserable guy was whenever you spoke to him, he was firmly in the Yeah, yeah, I’d be all right. If I wasn’t here, oh, not too bad, all that kind of stuff. And when he went to France down he saw French he knew was Manny Feig. And so if anybody asked him what he his day was like, that’s all he responded. And he said, it was very difficult to play, be he or kind of character. When you’re spouting Manny, speak to everybody. And that’s the word. Do the motivation, words and motivation build in action Don’t lie.
Jackie Woodside [3:52]
Yeah, absolutely. I tell people that all the time that there’s an energy to the language that you use. So be really mindful of what’s coming out of your mouth.
David Ralph [4:01]
I’m not that mindful I’d be honest.
Jackie Woodside [4:03]
Most people are not David Don’t feel bad.
David Ralph [4:06]
Yeah, I wish I had a better quality control chip sometimes, but
Jackie Woodside [4:10]
I just haven’t accessed it yet.
David Ralph [4:12]
Yeah, I think I’ve got better at that since I’ve been on the mic. I think when in real life situations my mouth disor runs off and then I think what am I talking about? But the microphone if you do
Jackie Woodside [4:23]
tell people is how you language your world meaning how you speak is how you will experience your world so your he or friend walked down like yeah, I wish I’d be fine if this if it weren’t for that I wish I had this. And that’s how he’s going to experience his world as if he doesn’t have enough and and things are not okay. You start changing your language about how you how you’re seeing things and your world will change.
David Ralph [4:46]
Next go into supermarkets today, Jackie and just go Manny wiig. Well, I do
Jackie Woodside [4:50]
I just happened to me a little while ago, I was at the post office and the you know, the, the postal lady says, Oh, good morning. Can I help you? How were you? And I was like, I’m happy and she actually looked at me, you know, I she’s like what? I said, Well, I’m happy. You know, I’ve been sad. I’ve been happy and happy is better. So every morning I just decide, you know, hey, you know, I’m, I’m gonna be happy today. And she, I mean, her whole countenance changed. I like that. She said he started smiling. So we do our transaction, I’m walking away, and the next customer comes, hey, you know, the Good morning. Can I help you? How are you? I’m fine. Thank you. And she says, Do you know what my last customer said?
Yeah, I agree. It’s a you know, a good positive vibe, not just for you, but for the people around you, too.
David Ralph [5:32]
He absolutely does. I had a conversation with my daughter My daughter’s 10. My son his son is 10 Yeah, and they they’ve started clashing. They get on very well, but my son will sort of deliberately go in and there’s this thing about not knocking on each other’s doors. Oh, you didn’t knock on my doors. I’m not knocking on yours. And she was going into one yesterday morning, really in a in a patty. As we say over here. She was sort of like losing the plot, and I to her, you know, you can choose how you react to this. Now I can’t he’s an idiot. He’s an idiot, making me act, right? And I said, No, it’s not it’s you deciding if you were just calm and quiet, then he’s not gonna do it because he only wants to see you act like this. It’s it’s lighting him up. And it’s strange, but even bow bear kids, you still see the same thing in adults as well. They don’t quite boss, but it’s a mental choice.
Jackie Woodside [6:27]
Right, exactly. I mean, I do think it’s something that we have to learn as we develop, and unfortunately too many people don’t develop. Hmm.
David Ralph [6:37]
So you have had a bit of a journey. You’ve gone through a life where quite honestly, there will be times that you would be okay to say no, I’m not happy things are a bit crap at the moment. Have you always had that mentality that you’ve got now or have you actually developed through those adversities?
Jackie Woodside [6:56]
No, I definitely had to develop it. You know, I was Probably like your daughter, like a lot of people are believing that the quality of my life was going to be determined by what was happening around me by you know, the bad relationships or by the difficulty in my family life or, or things like that. And as I got, you know, I guess when things got bad enough, I just decided it was time to turn things around for myself. And so I started studying different things I got out of psychology, which will always be looking for what’s wrong and in that, that whole paradigm and I just started studying different parts of human development in particular, the study of human consciousness and some things in spirituality as well, but I just really changed my focus to more of a self empowerment focus. And, and I would say, that was probably in my 30s. So it was it was quite a run before I started finding some sanity in my life. And, and then I got really, really passionate about my calling and my mission and one of the things I say in my teachings is You’re always is yeah to wrap your head around this a little bit but you’re always being lived by something. So in my earlier years I was being lived by family trauma and family tragedy and you know, all kinds of the difficulty and the addiction in my life that was living me almost like I had no volition, no choice around it, I was fairly unconscious. But as I moved into find, you know, really discovering my passion, if you will, what your whole show is all about living living really what I what I most desired and what I most love, which is doing this work of being an author and a speaker and teacher. I started being lived by something bigger than myself, and, and all of that, you know, that inner turmoil and that that difficulty, it’s not like it was an overnight switch. Some people call it slow burn, slow burn transformation, rather than that overnight transformation. But, yes, slowly over time, it really got better. And I’m not saying that I’m happy every moment but when I say you know, how are you I I’m happy. I like to recommend what I say to myself as I’m affirming for myself every moment that I have a choice
David Ralph [9:07]
is fascinating listening to you talk and there’s a couple of words I’m gonna dwell back on but slow the slow burn the slow burn careers are built around slow burn, we see the highlights I I was watching Coldplay play at your Super Bowl the other day. And I must admit, I have no interest in the sports on either side because I don’t understand it. But I quite like the halftime entertainment. And basically I’m so professional, so polished, it was so amazing. But of course these bands they start from having to learn their instruments and then playing in a rubbish bar and then a club in front of two people. But we get to a point where we go Ah, that’s it. I’d love to be in Coldplay, but you wouldn’t have been in Coldplay 20 years ago when they were only playing people.
Jackie Woodside [9:52]
When they were in the smoky bars and nobody knew who they were.
David Ralph [9:54]
Your slow burn. When you look back on it. It was it something that is in a hurry. You’re leading towards your Super Bowl. Were you aware that you was moving on a path? Or was it just something that you was doing at the time?
Jackie Woodside [10:08]
Oh, no, I was very aware. David. I mean, at one point, about six or seven years ago, I had been a psychotherapist before being a teacher and speaker so I’d had a private practice my own business doing counselling, psychotherapy in in my own office for 27 years 20 Yeah, well 27 years to today so go back 20 ish years I’d been doing that and it was successful you know, I made decent money and I had a good reputation referrals came to me quite easily. But I knew that there was this thing if you will, that wanted to be lived through me this this passion and this calling for teaching transformation. So at some point that calling got so strong, and and I bought a summer home that I wanted to live in in the summers and it’s hard to do that when you are a therapist, oh, gosh, I’ll see you later I’m leaving for the summer it was seven hours away. So the combination of this building, if you will, of this, this calling that wanted to come through me and buying a family cottage that was six hours away from here is that that’s a summer home, that I literally closed my business. I closed my psychotherapy practice. So there was a there was a definitive moment where I cut off my income stream and the people jumping in there the people go Jackie what you’re doing, you’re doing. Yeah, yeah. everybody’s like, Oh, you know, are you sure this is a good idea? And are you know, are you sure you want to do this? And, you know, some people would say You’re crazy. Other people said, you have a lot of courage. You know, I don’t know which it was what I know is that there was this thing that wanted to be birthed or lived through me around my passion and my desire to teach transformational thinking. And I gave myself over to it and you know, I can’t tell you it is night and Day, how much happier I am doing this. It is night and day I am so I’m you know, I don’t even mean to go Sean. I’m like, so happy I am so lit up. I love what I do. I’m passionate about it. I’m now back to success. And oh, by the way, it’s not like that year I started making money again, it was a couple of years of building now, this business building my reputation building my speaking platform building my curriculums where I was making very little money. I mean, it was ugly, really ugly, and how did you
David Ralph [12:32]
have the belief at that time to to keep going when, you know, you could have jumped back in and took the easy bucks, but you know, moving. I mean, I remember that
Jackie Woodside [12:41]
because when I closed the doors of my office, I also came off of all of the insurance panels who were my primary payers. So I was like, What am I gonna do? I can’t just go back and, you know, get back on these insurance panels. It’s really hard to do that here in the United States. And, you know, and I didn’t want to I was, I mean I loved being a therapist, hour by hour. But the whole of it, I was pretty bored with it. I’d been doing it for so many years. So I just like, I can’t go back to this. And I was sitting looking at LinkedIn, you know, the professional site for jobs and stuff. I was looking at the LinkedIn site thinking, I’m going to have to get a job, what am I going to do? And it was one of those, you know, again, a defining moment, I was just sitting there, like, No, I’m gonna do what it takes to make this work. And it was literally David when I made that decision. Like, no matter how bad it gets, I’m like, so what’s the worst that’s gonna happen? I did all those things. Okay, I’m a bag lady on the street. You know, I’ve got friends that I can sleep on their couch. You know, I went through all of that, right? So when I just made that decision, like no, I don’t care how bad it gets. I’m going to stick with this. Within two weeks. I got my first book contract and and started writing my first book. Like no kidding, it was that because I remembered it was Christmas Day. Christmas day after Christmas or something, but I was looking at LinkedIn so depressed feeling I can’t do this. And by January 2, I had a book contract. It was crazy,
David Ralph [14:09]
right? He’s crazy. I know what you’re saying, because it’s cause and effect you’ve decided, but you haven’t got Plan B, it’s Plan A. And that’s the only way to operate. That’s the only way to go. Right. And I feel that with this show this show for the first hundred to 200 episodes, I was embarrassed about saying I was a podcaster, which is a complete bizarre way of thinking because it was what I was doing. I was putting my voice out there. I was interviewing people I was crate creating shows, but I didn’t have the conviction in what I want to do. Now I go podcaster podcaster. And the show is getting bigger and bigger and bigger because I think I’m putting my mental strength, my passions, my talents, whatever behind it. But I couldn’t have done that in two weeks. I couldn’t have made that decision have been two weeks had a book contract. So what happened within those two weeks it must have been something fundamental But a code for you to achiever.
Jackie Woodside [15:02]
Yeah, again, I remember it like it was yesterday. So the next day I was over at my cousin’s house, where it was again, it was over the holidays. They were messing around, and I was just goofing around on the internet and I found a call for proposals for books around healthcare topics on the I just found that on the internet, and I thought Hon, I looked at it, I thought, huh, health care topics. Well, my background is in healthcare, right. as a, as a clinician, I was a psychotherapist. And I have this curriculum that I’ve been developing, that I could kind of change the focus of it a little bit and turn it into kind of a book for how people manage change. And indeed, that’s what I propose. So I wrote this proposal up to them. Actually, no, I wrote the proposal around my second my second book, but they didn’t like that as much but they liked. They liked my thinking. So when they interviewed me and heard about my other work, they actually rejected that first proposal but still gave me a book contract. So I submitted a book proposal to this healthcare publishing company. And January 2, I had my first meeting with them after finding this online. And so literally people sometimes spend months writing a book proposal. I wrote my first book proposal sitting on my cousin’s bed in 45 minutes.
David Ralph [16:18]
Yeah, but you know what you did really well. They didn’t like your book proposal, but they like your thinking, and you sold the passion. You sold the X Factor. Somebody was telling me the other day about Martin Luther King, but he did the speech, I have a dream. And as we always say, you don’t remember the rest of it. You just remember the I Have a Dream because it touches into it. Right? There was no social media, there was no one he didn’t even advertise that speech and a quarter of a million people turned up for it. And the reason they turned up for it was because he was saying something bigger than himself. He was saying how he was going to think how he was going to change the world or whatever. That’s what you must have done very well in that 45 minutes. Not saying Well, I’m gonna put this book chapter one’s going to be this chapter two, but you put yourself into that. And that’s a fundamental shift that people have to make. And that’s why, as I say earlier, I think my show is doing so well now, but fundamentally, I know what I am, I know what I am and I know what I’m selling, and that’s when people buy into it.
Jackie Woodside [17:18]
Right? Absolutely. You have to let your passion speak. People don’t remember what you say. They remember how you feel when you’re around them. So when you just let that passion come through that passion for what you love, and what you know, your life is about, and it’s it’s infectious. People want to be around that I say it has a very high energy to it. You know, my, my whole second book coming, the chaos is all about learning to manage your energy. So I say that passion, energy is incredibly infectious and people want to be around that. It’s how I’ve gotten jobs. It’s how I get consulting contracts. It’s how I get speaking gigs. People around me, they hear my energy and they just want that like, whatever that is. I want that. Don’t know what the heck I’m saying. I mean, I suppose I make a little bit of sense. But yeah, learning to communicate through your passion rather than and boy, that’s got to be tough for you over there in the UK because you Brits are pretty close to the chest over here in the US we’ve got a little bit more, you know, permission to be wild. But you know, even I do believe that this concept breaks cultural barriers. So however a Brit expresses passion, you’ve got to, you’ve got to do that and then turn it up a notch.
David Ralph [18:27]
Yeah, well, I think you’re absolutely right. We see conferences. I did a conference in San Francisco, but I saw beamed in live. And the enthusiasm of the audience was amazing. And is it because it’s me? Or is it because it is Americans or whatever? I would love because I’ve spent years and years and years getting up in front of people in the United Kingdom and doing public speaking. That’s what I used to do. And I would love to fly over to America and get up in front of people and just see whether the same jokes worked and whether the same content flow because it is a totally different language. But the bottom line as you’re saying, and I’m saying is, it almost doesn’t matter about the language that you use, it’s how you present yourself. And that passion will ignite a fire in someone.
Jackie Woodside [19:10]
Absolutely, that it’s the passion that communicates and that speaks. It’s that energy. People can literally feel it, you know, we say it has, what’s the vibe to it and, and passion has a very great vibe that people want to be around.
David Ralph [19:24]
Now if we sort of take you back in time while we do obviously you’ve had some some challenges as you say, going through your life and you was very open on your about page about the addiction to domestic violence. Ah, those things that have made you who you are, or are you now where you are despite of them?
Jackie Woodside [19:42]
Um, I, I don’t know. I guess both. That’s it. That’s an interesting question. I have no regrets. Absolutely. You know, like, I I love my life. So I one of the fundamental beliefs that I live in David is that my life is always turning out for my good That no matter what’s happening around me, eventually things will be turning out for my highest good. And I just believe that so as I look back over my life, no matter, you know, what’s the situation or circumstances that you may be looking at, I can I can join up the dots to say, this is where this was for my good. And I’m grateful. So, you know, I don’t know if it’s because of it or in spite of it, maybe a little bit of both. But what I do know is that it’s always been working to bring me to where I am right now. And then I’m happy with that I have. I don’t, I don’t regret any of it.
David Ralph [20:34]
Because I don’t think you should regret anything. But I do think, and it’s come true on so many episodes, but you learn more from the bad things at the time you go, oh my god, this is terrible. But you look back on it and you go, No, actually, actually, I can. I can see how I’ve developed because of them. And I think that is one of the things that sort of stopped the dreams from coming to fruition but people that are in that comfortable land where nothing too bad happens, nothing too good. They get their check each month. And they just sort of float, float, float. And then somebody comes along and shocks them to the core. And it’s kind of Oh my god, oh my god, I wasn’t expecting that to happen. Let’s get going. And you had a lot of bad, didn’t you? But it took you until you found your calling to really want to get going. So how did you know it was your calling? Because that is one of those questions that so many people call it’s alright for you to say find your purpose. Find your mission, you never work again. But how did you know hang on this is this is different from what I’ve done before this is it?
Jackie Woodside [21:35]
Yeah, I do a lot of journaling. And in my journaling, I write a lot of sounds a little out there and bizarre but I write dialogues with kind of my inner higher self or a dialogue with God. So I’ll so I’ll write my thinking and a question. And then I get these thoughts, these answers that literally are not thoughts that I’ve ever had before. So through that process of, of that kind of journaling, where I’m in a very quiet, I’m alone, I’m in a meditative space, it’s not journaling that I do, you know, writing on the train or something like that, and not even in a coffee shop. It’s like a morning practice that I have. And it was through that writing. And again, these moments, these defining moments, I remember it like it was yesterday, I was so frustrated and just really wanting to move on, but not knowing what to do. And I was writing such so you know, what do I do? How do I how do I move on from this? How do I get out in the world in a bigger way? And the answer kept coming through so clearly teach what you know. Teach what you know, and I was like, What do I know? This is crazy. I don’t know what I know. No, and, and that was it like no business plan, no outline, just teach what you know. And, and so that directed me my next several days. weeks, months, whatever of that type of journaling was really digging into what do I know. And you know, since that time I’ve written Gosh, one, probably a half dozen curriculums, two books, three workbooks. And I guess I knew more than I realised, because a lot has come through me in the last six years.
David Ralph [23:22]
Well, let’s play some words now that really tie into what you were saying there. These were words that were said by Oprah, but I think you’re gonna agree with these Jackie, Oprah Winfrey,
Oprah Winfrey [23:32]
the way through the challenge is to get still and ask yourself, what is the next right move? not think about, Oh, I got all of this too. But what is the next right move? And then from that space, make the next right move and the next right move and not to be overwhelmed by it because, you know, your life is bigger than that one moment. You know, you’re not defined by what somebody says is a failure for you. Because failure is just there to point you in a different direction.
David Ralph [24:03]
Now she’s obviously asking the questions. You’re writing the questions down, but it’s the same same sensibility, isn’t it?
Jackie Woodside [24:11]
Yeah, absolutely. Wow. That’s, that’s really brilliant. And I love that notion of just like, what’s just the next thing. You know, people have these grand visions of where they want their life to go, and then me, which is great. I did too. But then how do you, you know, how do you break that down? How do you get it started? And, you know, but what I just saved people just start. Just take one action. You know, she said, do the next right move. I would just say do the next move. You know, because sometimes you don’t know is this the right move? Is that the right move? I don’t know. Just get an action because the action itself again, I teach everything is energy. The action has energy to it and it communicates, if you will, to yourself into the world to the universe. I believe in myself, I believe In this passion, I believe in this mission. And here’s this great quote by Goethe that says, what, you know, once you once you definitively determine something and start taking action toward it, I’m paraphrasing, all of Providence moves, so that all manner of circumstance and unforeseen events, show up resources show up that would not have occurred otherwise. And I really believe that that’s true that once you put things in motion, things happen. You meet people and, you know, like, like me deciding, you know, I was going to stick with this no matter what, and then finding that that call for book proposals. Like that’s not a coincidence, you just start moving in the right direction. And then of course, I had to fill out the proposal, right, every notice the decision points, I could have talked myself out of that. So you just start showing up. I mean, I have a great story about this, but I was going to go to I was not going to go to a publishing conference last year. My spouse talked me into it. And so I went to this publishers conference. And at this publishers conference, I met someone who is a blogger for ink magazine, talked to him for 20 minutes had no contact with him after that. Seven months later, he chose my latest book coming the chaos as one of the top 10 motivational books of 2015 so in that you know, I was on this list with bet new New York Times bestsellers Bernie brown and Elizabeth Gilbert of eat love pray so and Jackie Woodside, you know, with my book coming the chaos. So how does that happen? Well, it wouldn’t have happened if I didn’t take the action if I didn’t put myself out there in initiative to make things happen. So I went to this conference, I meet this guy for 20 minutes. He was very taken with my book. I have no contact with him for seven months, boom, I end up on this. He didn’t even tell me I started getting tweets, you know and saw on my Twitter feed and that my book was was on this top two Unless I was like, what, what is this? How does it How did it and then I look to see who wrote the article and it was that man who I’d met for 20 minutes.
David Ralph [27:07]
But you know, I was described by as you’re standing by a pond and you throw some stones in and the ripples go out and once they hit the side, they’re gonna come back to you, aren’t they? And at the beginning, you’re just standing on the shore lobbing stones in willy nilly hoping that one would sort of make a difference to you. And more often than not, they don’t, they just sort of fly over. Right, then it starts coming back to you. Alright, I’m having I was speaking to my mate this morning. I said, This is amazing. There’s a guy coming on the show called Sean Swarna, who’s voted as one of the eight most inspirational people on earth. And when he was on episode 200, I really struggled to get him on the show. It was very, very difficult. And now he contacted me again, he said, Hey, David, you know, I’ve got some more stories to share. Can I come back on? And I thought to myself, wow, what a ripple This is, but it was so difficult at the first time, but it’s crazy. The second time I find that is how life is at the beginning. You’re just loving stuff loving stuff, loving stuff, getting tired and your arms weary, but you keep them doing it. And then when you have a little rest, it starts to come back to you. And is how sort of momentum is built somehow, Jackie?
Jackie Woodside [28:17]
That is, that’s amazing. Why is he one of the most eight most inspirational people on the planet?
David Ralph [28:23]
Right summary time. And this is a great episode if anybody wants to jump back onto this episode 200. When he was about 13, he got two forms of cancer. He’s the only person on earth ever to have these two forms of cancer. He described it that the odds are winning the lottery for weeks in succession with the same numbers. That is the sort of chance oh my gosh, he had to be in a coma for a whole year as a kid. He was given these last rites by the priest, he was a governor. And now he is the first man to climb to the top of Everest with only one lung and x y Zed x y Zed. just keeps on doing it every year he has to go and have these self checked over because he’s in remission. And to find out if it’s coming back, but literally he was put in deep freeze for a year. And now, when I spoke to him, about a year ago, he was just coming up 40 he looks about 25. But he puts that down to being in a fridge for a whole year. And it’s funny. And yeah, he is just hugely inspirational. Now, the thing that comes out of that story, Jackie, is the fact that he’s not saying, Oh, my God, I know, but my time is limited. What he’s now saying is, I know that my time is precious, and let’s make the most of it. And I think that is what we need. And that’s really what this show is all about. And that’s what you’re doing as well. Getting that kind of mentality into people to say Hang on. You might be here for 70 years, but it’s gonna go bloody quick. And unless you start getting going, then you’re going to look around Have them pink missed missed the boat that the bus had gone off without me
Jackie Woodside [30:03]
right and your life matters you know it’s it’s not even just about you’ll be happier and you’ll feel better you’ll be more successful it’s the ripple effect like you were just saying of of you starting to actually do what lights you up Live Your Passion be in your moments of inspiration, the ripple effect of that and how many more lives you touch in a positive way because of that is extraordinary. And to me that is the whole point of getting lots and lots of people living this way human evolution will move in a more positive direction I believe and will raise in our energy will raise our vibration in more positive ways by more and more people thinking this way and living this way so you know to me it’s it’s it’s way beyond just you’ll be happier and more successful to me we will be together creating a better world.
David Ralph [30:56]
Well let’s take you back your Twitter feeds going mad and your books. doing very well. And you’re looking at and thinking, This is amazing. This is really exciting. And then a couple of days later, you look at your name on the list of offers. And more often than not, the imposter syndrome will kick in and you think, Oh, hang on, hang on. These are proper offers. I’m just somebody that just kind of written a book and it’s done very well. Did you deal with those kind of feelings? Or did you just embrace it? But yeah, no, I should be on that list.
Jackie Woodside [31:24]
Um, yeah, no, not definitely not the former and probably not as far as the latter either. If there’s any kind of an in between? No, I, you know, I believe, I believe in the principles I teach. And I know one of the things I say all of my dreams come true, and not because of me, but because I understand if you will, the laws of how things work. I understand energy and everything is energy. So I didn’t have that imposter syndrome. Like I don’t believe there are I’m sorry, I don’t belong there. I didn’t believe in that in any way. No, I was. It was like, Yeah, of course. Like, of course. Why because this is how I live I, I put these principles in practice all the time of keeping my energy high and moving toward my passion and, you know, really thinking about keeping the energy of my life really high and clean. So that creates miracles. And I was like, wow, you know, these people have sold, you know, probably hundreds of thousands and millions of books. And then there’s me, and I just thought, Well, great, you know, I say move towards your goal or approximate your goal. So I am now you know, I can now use my name in the same sentence with these authors who have sold millions of books. That means I’m now have the energy of that circle. So I embrace that. I move toward that and I say bring it on in that’s that’s for me.
David Ralph [32:46]
And Akos this the similarity you have is about they started with a blank page and put the first word down and you did the same and it comes back to that taking that first step. It may not be the right first words you put down but
Jackie Woodside [32:58]
it’s a word That’s right. It’s a start. You’ve got to start somewhere. And you know, so many people say to me, oh, Jackie, I’d love to write a book. That’s so awesome. And, you know, I love that and I want to support people and getting their passion out in the world. But most people don’t understand that writing the book is the easier part than getting the book in people’s hands.
Unknown Speaker [33:17]
Well, yeah. Yeah, I
Jackie Woodside [33:19]
mean, it’s a long, long journey of writing the book and then Okay, now I have this book. Now what and he really getting it out into the world is the other challenge.
David Ralph [33:28]
So how do you go about that? You’ve got your passion, you’ve got your mission. But of course, you are creating content that you think is vitally important to get out to the world. You’re proud of it. But as you say, it’s a totally different ballgame to have this being on your computer, but having people come to it, to want to buy it to how purchase it How did you do that? Did you hire a publisher? Did you hire a mentor? How did you overcome that?
Jackie Woodside [33:53]
Well, with with various things I do, I have I’ve had two publishers now for both of my books, so that I have I’ve had people who helped me with social media stuff. But mostly the majority of how I get my message out is through speaking, radio shows like this TV shows, and, you know, speaking at conferences, doing training for companies doing consulting for companies. So yeah, a combination of internet or social media, where you, you know, just create your platform, you create your following, and you just get it out there. And then my physically being out in the world in the room, sharing my passion with people that want to hear about it, that to me, that’s my sweet spot. I love speaking. I love consulting and being with companies and being with people who want to hear a transformational message about really how to create their company or their life in the exact image of how they want it to be and, you know, just real step by step approaches and how to manage energy rather than time.
David Ralph [34:55]
You’re big on this energy business, aren’t you? Because a lot of people will look Things like the law of attraction, which is very much about higher levels of vibration and stuff as a bit Whoo. But I know from my side of the fence that when I’m happy and when I’m really on for fire, even just recording the shows, I listen back to him that there’s so much better and the work is better. It’s just an easier as well. But a lot of people, they they kind of hold back from this vibration energy thing, but it’s true. We’re only batteries, aren’t we? And we
Jackie Woodside [35:26]
are only batteries. Yeah, you know, I think people who hold back from it just don’t understand it. They don’t understand the science of it. So I’m a real academic type. I wouldn’t go out there you know, preaching this stuff without really getting into the science of it and understanding you know, the principles and how it works and why it works. So yeah, I do you know, people are either although I think people are more receptive to it. Some people have resistance to it, but less and less so, because there’s so much science now that backs it up. Not like we needed that. Anyway, but for people who are more of the sceptical mind, I think it helps that there’s a lot of science that is backing up these principles that everything is energy. You me the words. I mean, just it’s crazy to me that you’re in the UK and I’m in the US several hours and thousands of miles in an ocean separators. And here we are engaged in this lovely conversation. That’s the energy of evolution. See, as people understand more about their energy, that human evolution is expanding so rapidly and things like this now become, you know, just second nature, we could be on video and be looking at each other sharing a cup of coffee, even though we’re just so so far apart. That’s just one small example of what happens when humans evolve in our capacities, or creative capacities. And then, of course, our technological capacities. It’s crazy and all of it comes from understanding how to manage energy.
David Ralph [36:56]
Now, of course, my son lays on his bed at night and I walk in there He’s playing Xbox. And I have to say to him, are you playing a computer or somebody, and he could be playing somebody across the world, he has no idea who these people are. And that blows my mind. But he’s playing a game in when I was a kid who used to have to have mates around but you have playdates, you never see anyone anymore. And with that sort of capability, why do you think that so many people don’t grasp the fact that what we’ve got in front of us, this computer can literally change your life. You don’t almost Well, you don’t have to become an employee and go in and get a job. You can get a job and then in the evenings, work on something, weekends, work on something and gradually build something and connect across the globe. But people don’t buy into it.
Jackie Woodside [37:44]
It’s amazing. Yeah, so my Yeah, that’s my first book time for a change. You know, I talk a lot about why people resist change. And I, you know, David, I think when people see something that’s new and different immediately how the ego response is with fear. It’s something I don’t understand. I don’t know this, therefore, it must be bad or dangerous. It’s not like you say that or that comes out of your mouth. But that’s what’s really driving people’s resistance to change is, you know, this is new and different. I don’t understand it, therefore, I don’t want it. And you know, if you if you look at that, you’ll see a lot of people who resist change, that’s fundamentally what they’re saying. So when you get through that, like, okay, but it is here, you know, whether it can be any kind of a change, we’re talking about the internet and people starting to use it for business, but it can be the change of a spouse walking out on you or the death of a loved one. When you the first step of being able to actually use it proactively is saying, Okay, this is what it is, this person has left me this relationship is over this person has died. I’ve got to now decide how I’m going to be with myself in my life, in the face of this circumstance. So for people who want to start exploring Their passion and move into a more powerful, self empowered way of living and making a living. You know, it’s first recognising This is here, I have this capacity, then start creating a plan of what am I going to do to really learn it? What do I need to learn? Who do I need to talk to? It’s crazy how much you can learn on the internet for free about how to run a business on on the internet, or, or start any kind of a business that you want to start.
David Ralph [39:26]
What blew my mind The other day I was listening to the radio jockey and they were talking about as we’re talking at the moment we’re talking about how amazing is that we’ve got the things in front of us. But if you sort of extend but this guy was saying, if you imagine but the earth was formed at midnight, as we stand here at the moment, it’s 15 seconds after midnight, but that’s how much time we’ve been on. And if you think how much we’ve done in those 15 seconds as humans, what you’ve got in the future, it’s unbelievable. And I would like to say to everyone and I say to my kids Get on the bandwagon, you know, you’re never going to be ahead of the curve. There’s always people ahead of the curve, but you can be on the curve. And you can create your own curves. And you can do whatever you want. Because whatever you perceive, I think Napoleon Hill said this, whatever you can perceive, and you believe you can achieve, and it doesn’t cost you that much anymore. cost you a good internet connection, decent computer, whatever, you don’t even have to have a decent computer. You can have a handheld things, people creating companies literally on sort of tablets and stuff. Yeah, yeah, you’ve got to believe but there is a better way to build our future.
Jackie Woodside [40:36]
Yeah, you’ve got to believe that and embrace it. And, and still, you know, David, people need to have support. So finding one or two, one or two buddies either online or around you that also have this passion that want to create this kind of new experience of life. Get a couple of people who are going to do it with you, because I’ll tell you, that’s the other thing that has people resist change is just the ability To maintain and sustain that kind of motivation to move into something new, I mean, for me, given that I cut off my income stream that was a motivation enough for me to get out and make this successful, but I don’t recommend that strategy for most people. But you know, once you’ve decided, yeah, I’m gonna do this thing. A lot of a lot of success strategist say, don’t tell anybody. I’m like, I don’t know about that. Because if you don’t have any accountability, when it gets hard, most people bail. So get a couple support buddies, tell a couple of people where you’ve got some skin in the game. And you know, it won’t be that easy for you to bail on what it is that you really want to be pursuing. because let me tell you, it’s not easy. It’s delicious. And it’s, it’s fulfilling and it’s it’s exciting, but it’s not easy.
David Ralph [41:50]
I’ve got community that runs through the show called dream starters Academy, and it’s a it’s a private Facebook group, but it’s a secret one as well. You won’t find it. If anybody You know, wants to join in, then you’ve got to prove yourself that you’re worthy to be in it. And I deliberately made it secret because of the reasons that you were saying whatever’s shared in bear is a totally positive environment. And the guys in there are sharing their personal troubles and their business troubles and their dreams and aspirations. And they know but you’re only going to get back support. No one can stamp on the dreams in my dreams, daughters Academy, because it’s secret. And I think, I think those guys are kind of right. But I think if you can keep it secret, but then surround yourself with people who are buying into that secret as well, I think really got a chance to get going.
Jackie Woodside [42:41]
Right? Absolutely. You know, creating that accountability and support while at the same time not overwhelming yourself with what are they going to think and that’s why most success speakers say, you know, don’t tell anybody. Why because the ego is just entrenched with this fear of what are they going to think whoever the heck they might be in the moment. But we give our power away to what they might think. So there is some wisdom in that quip of don’t tell anybody your dream. But I also think there’s a pitfall in it that most people are not going to be successful on their own. Who is it throw that said, No man is an island unto himself. It might not be I don’t remember who and no man is an island unto himself. So we need that kind of community feedback and support. So just, you know, join a Facebook group like that, like you said, or, or, you know, join a Coaching Academy or whatever, hire a coach, you know, find a couple of buddies and it’s just it’s so amazing. Oh, another great principle David mastermind group, where you get together weekly with three or four people for the explicit purpose of sharing your goals and staying in action toward them. That’s been one of the more powerful things that I’ve been involved with over the years that I just love.
David Ralph [43:48]
I’ve actually it sounds a bit weird, to be honest, but it works as well. I’ve got a virtual mastermind. I’ve got
Unknown Speaker [43:54]
a virtual as well.
David Ralph [43:56]
Yeah, I’ve got a collection of people that I respect and I have the pictures up in front of me. There’s eight. Oh,
Jackie Woodside [44:01]
that’s great. Yeah, Napoleon Hill teaches that and thinking grow rich.
David Ralph [44:05]
Yeah, I read that. And I thought to myself, I’m gonna give it a go. And I look at them and I think what would that person do? And I kind of answer based on what other person would do. And you come up with different answers. It’s really strange. But your brain actually creates things that you think I don’t think I’ve had before but but before because you’re answering because if somebody
Jackie Woodside [44:24]
else is amazing, it is. It’s absolutely amazing. That’s what I was talking about with my morning journaling, practice. You know, I’m going to take you up on that, David, I’m going to put up a few pictures and start, start kind of bringing in the energy of those people and it it is crazy amazing how your brain has the capacity to tap into the energy of that person’s thinking and you think thoughts sound my books get written? I’ll get to a place where I get stuck, you know, and then it’s just like, okay, relax, step back. What is it that wants to come through here, and I if I just slow down and breathe rather than efforting I just like close my eyes. And start typing and it’s like, oh, okay, great. This stuff will come to you. It’s almost like the universe is designed in our favour if we just let it be that way.
David Ralph [45:10]
Well, let’s play some words now that really set the whole theme of the show back in 2005 11 years ago. And there’s still this power pole today,
Steve Jobs [45:20]
Steve Jobs. Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [45:56]
Good words, Jackie.
Jackie Woodside [45:57]
I just read that yesterday. That’s crazy. I just read that clip yesterday
David Ralph [46:03]
for the first time ever.
Unknown Speaker [46:04]
Jackie Woodside [46:06]
Yes, I’m doing a I’m doing a talk for the US military next week on leadership, which is a little intimidating. Me trading the military on leadership. And and so I was reading some, you know, some quotes, I was looking for some things to put on my PowerPoint and I came across that exact quote.
David Ralph [46:25]
And how did it make you feel when you first first heard it or read it?
Jackie Woodside [46:30]
Um, well, it certainly inspired and I, you know, I think mostly comforted that I am, even though I can’t always see where the next step is supposed to be and what whatever path I’m on. When I look back, I see that every decision I made has led me to some higher level of living, if you will. So, like, you know, the decision to to write my first book, my decision to write my second book, my decision to go to that publisher authors conference. led me in positive ways and as long as you just stay the course as exactly as he said, when you look back, it’s like, oh, yeah, I can see that. When I look ahead. It’s like, Oh, crap. Now what? What’s the next big thing? But, but looking back, there’s so much comfort in knowing that you are being led, you are being guided. And it’s you’re being guided by the intention of this higher calling that wants to live through you.
David Ralph [47:26]
I have a lot of people emailing me and I was saying to my wife is it’s very difficult not to keep moving forward with something. When I have so many people emailing me, telling me lovely things about the show. And at the beginning, they were saying, oh, great show, just keep going. It was very much like you know, you’ve started and these are these were just listeners. These are people I didn’t know at all. And now I have people going you realise this show is going to be the biggest outbound we totally believe. I hope you believe as well. And I get that about three times a week and it really does. fire me up. You know, when I’m recording a show like this, Jackie, I actually feel excited. And bear in mind, this is the 514 interview I’ve done. It’s funny that I can still come in loving this. This is This is amazing. I can’t wait to get the show out to the world. And when you have people buying into your belief, as much as you bind to your belief, that’s when it starts coming together, isn’t it?
Jackie Woodside [48:23]
Oh, absolutely. You know, I, it’s similar. Isn’t that great? And David, congratulations, and really doing this and fulfilling your passion. I just, you know, I’m inspired by who you are. But I have people say things like, you know, when I hear hear that television personality have been on TV I’ve had several times people been like, so how was it when you were on Oprah?
Unknown Speaker [48:44]
Like, I bet on Oprah.
Jackie Woodside [48:46]
They’re like, really? And they’re like, freaking serious. That’s what they’re actually thinking. And it’s like, yeah, this is it. I’m, you know, I say I’m calling that into my circle. The more that we you you think it and you feel And you have that passion you move toward it, then it’s, you know, you create those energetic conditions. And now that’s how people see me. I say that approximating the goal. You want to celebrate each time you approximate the goal. I, you know, for years, I grew up on water. I grew up on the St. Lawrence River in upstate New York. And then I moved away, and I wanted to have a waterfront home. So I first moved to a place that was like, a block away from a little creek. And I was like, Yes, this is awesome. I’m approximating my goal. And then I moved to a place that was on pond Street, three blocks down from this and you know, ready little pond. I was like, This is great. I’m approximating my goal. Then I rented a house on a lake, a little cottage on a lake. So I was actually now I’m on waterfront, I don’t own it, but I’m renting a place. Yes, I’m approximating my goal, David. No kidding. I now own two waterfront homes. I own a lake house in Massachusetts, a house on the St. Lawrence River in upstate New York. So I say All I need is my ocean front and I’ll have my trifecta. Maybe that will be over on the other side. of the pond. But it’s believing in that and then knowing to keep your energy high celebrate each success along the way people say, Well, that wasn’t any big deal I just got I’m just renting a place no, celebrate each win. Because the more you do that people will see Oh, this is a person who’s successful, and they give that back to you, that feeds your energy.
David Ralph [50:21]
So just before we send you back in time, because is the end of the show, unfortunately, your energy is at a really high level now, where what’s your plans for the future? Jackie, where are you focusing your energies?
Jackie Woodside [50:35]
Um, you know, everybody’s asking me So when’s your next book going to come out? But right now, I’m not writing a third book. So that’s not where my energy is. I’m really focusing a lot on on TV appearances right now. I’m working with a publicist in New York City. And, you know, David, just this thing of wanting to get this message out to a larger and larger audience, because I do think my story is is somewhat compelling. I don’t like you know, everybody identifying with me as having been such a train wreck. But if that’s going to inspire one person who has clinical depression, that they can get to the other side of it. I was also diagnosed with adult attention deficit disorder. And people say to me, Well, I can’t get myself together. I can’t organise to run a business because I have a DD Yeah, well, so did I So do I, I just don’t identify with that any longer. I learned how to manage my neurology so if there’s anything about my story, you know, the tragedy, the domestic violence, the the death in my family, the depression, any of the all of that craziness. And then people look at me like, Okay, I’m a person that is living my dream, no matter what I’ve gone through. If that inspires one person, 10 people 1000 people, Hey, I know that my life has been complete. So I just keep looking at bigger and bigger platforms. So I’m working with a publicist around you know, some television gigs. But I also you know, I love doing consulting and speaking so I’ve got a bunch of gigs coming up. A retreat that I’m doing at a centre and misery that I’m looking forward to in May and it’s just it. These are the things that I’m doing. I’ll just be doing what I’m doing.
David Ralph [52:06]
And it’s coming to fun playful stuff it sounds.
Jackie Woodside [52:09]
I love it. You know, I said I don’t work a day in my life any longer, you know? I mean, I have to get up and go out and do the things I do. But yeah, it’s so not like work I’m on blogging for Huffington Post and few other blog sites that I’m enjoying doing some blogging for some days I spend my days just you know, reading and writing. Some days I deliver a keynote address and I do also do a lot of professional coaching. So I’ll spend a day on the phone with coaching clients, it’s what I have coming up today. So and then my summers I you know, David, I take most of my summers off, I do like one speaking gig a month in the summers and I do my coaching calls but not travelling. I have a very laid back I have a 10 year old son so I spent a lot of time at our summer home out in the boat, you know a really kicking back and and and breathing deeply and so much Life and into this, you know, really amazing life that we’ve created together as a family.
David Ralph [53:05]
That is great. It is absolutely great. And that’s what life is all about having a life that is on your terms instead of dealing with life’s terms.
Jackie Woodside [53:16]
Exactly. You know, that’s exactly it. When I look at, you know, where I’ve come from and where I am, I just think this is not the life I was necessarily born to live. But you know, you always have a choice, you’re going to be lived or defined by something. And I really, I just knew I could be defined by something higher, something better and something more powerful, because I wanted to make that contribution to the world and to my own life. So yeah, you know, you’re absolutely right. It’s there’s always a choice in how you’re going to move forward, no matter what’s happened in your life.
David Ralph [53:48]
Well, this is the end of the show. Now, Jackie, and this is the part that we called a sermon on the mic when we send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young Jackie, what age would you choose and what advice would you give Well, we’re gonna find out, because I’m going to play the theme. And when it fades you up, this is the Sermon on the mind
Unknown Speaker [54:13]
with the best bit of the show.
Jackie Woodside [54:29]
I love that. So to my younger self who was probably an uncertain 20 year old or, or young adult, I would say, just know that what you’ve lived through doesn’t have to define you and that what you desire, what you most want to experience and express in your life is what wants to come through you call it God call it the universe. I don’t know what it is. But I know that as each of us get in touch with and then pursue that that inner calling, whether it’s to start a business startup Family write a book or sing a song, whatever that is that you feel, you know yourself wants to come through, you know that that’s coming from a higher place. It’s not just your, you know, selfish need for attention. That thing that is persistent and doesn’t leave you wants to in fact needs to be birthed through you. What doesn’t? What doesn’t come through you will in some ways kill you. Your lifeforce will get drained because you’re not giving forth that which you know you want to do. So, courage, faith, confidence, not confidence in yourself if you don’t have that that’s okay. But courage and faith that there’s a higher order to this desire in this passion, and that higher order will always serve you to the highest and best and when it comes to your life, you can trust it.
David Ralph [55:49]
Jackie, what’s the number one best way that our audience can connect with you?
Jackie Woodside [55:53]
Probably my website Jackie woodside.com. You can email me Jackie at Jackie Woodside. COMM j ck EJ ac, KEW, od s ID and David, I would love to hear from the people over there in the UK Actually, I just wrapped up with a coaching client from the UK. And we’d love to hear from your people and and just know where this message has touched and resonated with them.
David Ralph [56:18]
Absolutely. We’ll have all the links on the show notes. Jackie, thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining up those dots Please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our paths is the best way to build our futures. Jackie Woodside Thank you so much.
Unknown Speaker [56:34]
It’s great being here with you.
David Ralph [56:38]
Well, that was a show that really excited me I actually felt it inside me. I was thinking Come on, come on. Well, let’s get out. Let’s do it. Let’s let’s make our own personal ripples because that’s how it’s done. Jackie didn’t know but that first book was gonna sell the second book, but she still did it. Now if she hadn’t written those first books. nothing would have happened if she hadn’t made those decisions. Nothing But if I hadn’t turned on the microphone you wouldn’t be getting Join Up Dots. Now, you’ve got something in you every single one of you’ve got something but can start, and you’ve just got to do it. And it doesn’t matter what it is at the beginning is normally not very good. But you will start fine tuning and you will find out and I’ll tell you what you will be like her, you will be like me, you’ll be like every single person, you will look at your life and you go, why did I wait so long? I waited bloody 25 years, whatever, I should have done it early. I really should. But I’ve started I so want you to do the same. I want you to be like Jackie Woodside because by is what life is all about. Having fun, enjoying yourself and playing every day. Thank you so much for listening to this show. This is getting good. I’m loving this more and more and more. I’m David Ralph, and I’ll see you again soon.
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