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Introducing Jodi Womack
Today’s guest, joining us on the Join Up Dots business coaching podcast interview, is the lovely Jodi Womack.
The first partner of a previous guest to ever be on the show.
If you listened to episode 53, then you would have heard her husband speak, with passion, eloquence and more than a splash of humour on what he is doing to help us all make our best even better.
But our guest today’s not just a wife and business partner, as Jodi is a mover and shaker, zigger and zagger in her own right.
A renowned speaker, she loves nothing more than inspiring large groups of women to take on the world together.
Back in 2009, when the world was struggling under an economic downturn that left many fearing for their futures, our guest had an idea….and a very powerful one too.
How The Dots Joined Up For Jodi
Jodi Womack invited women business owners from across the globe to join forces once a month to combine resources, share ideas and become empowered to stimulate their own economy.
A real powerful force of willing and participating action takers.
The result has been tremendous; jobs have been created, services exchanged and hope renewed, which led to the creation of “No More Nylons” the company that hosts these Women’s Business Socials.
But that is really the tip of the iceberg, as both of Jodi and her husband thrive on creating, inspiring and delivering the possibility of a positive future to all of us.
But what keeps her inspired?
What makes Jodi Womack believe that she can achieve what she is aiming to do in the world?
And what makes her agree to come onto the show today, when she has so much on her plate?
Well let’s bring onto the show to start joining up dots, as we discuss the words of Steve Jobs with the one and only Jodi Womack.
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Jodi Womack such as:
How she totally believes that no job is worth being unhappy in, no matter how much money you are paid!
How a failure is only a failure because of the levels of expectations that we set ourselves!
How she was the kid at school who always helped others, and connected the dots in older life to see she was doing the same things!
How you can get support for your actions from across the globe, especially from strangers!
How caveman were the ultimate hustlers, and could teach us all a thing or two to survive!
How she thinks the words of Steve Jobs are all about intuition, and are hugely powerful!
How To Connect With Jodi Womack
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Audio Transcription Of Jodie Womack
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
I’m still in the back of the garden. It has gone dark now I can see a large moon rising above my head. And I am rocking and rolling because I’m speaking to somebody today, who I’m looking at her Skype and it’s something like, I don’t know about one o’clock two o’clock in the afternoon. So she’s gone the perfect time. She’s going to be delivering amazing content to us. And why shouldn’t she because she is part of a powerhouse couple. She’s actually the first part of a previous guest ever be on the show if you listen to Episode 53, but you would have heard her husband speak with passion, eloquence, more than a special human and what he’s doing to help us all make our best even better. But our guest is not just a wife and business partner and partner and she’s a mover and shaker zig and zag in her own right. A renowned speaker she loves nothing more of an inspiring large groups of women to take on the world together. Back in 2009, when the world was struggling under an economic downturn that left many fearing for their futures. Our guest had an idea and a very powerful one at that. She invited women business owners from across the globe to join forces once a month to combine resources, share ideas, and become empowered to stimulate their own economy. Gail power, the real power force of winning and participating action takers. The result has been tremendous jobs have been created services exchange and hope renewed, which led to the creation of no more nylons, the company that hosts these Women’s Business socials. But that is really the tip of the iceberg as both her and her husband thrive on creating inspiring and delivering the possibility of a positive future to all of us. But what keeps her inspired what makes her believe that she can achieve what she’s aiming to do in the world? And what makes her agreed to come on to the show today, when she has so much on her plate? Well, let’s find out as we start joining up the dots with the one and only Jody Womack. How are you today, Jody?
Jodi Womack [2:21]
Hi, David. I’m doing really well. Thanks.
David Ralph [2:24]
Is it sunny in your world at the moment? Are you sitting there with your foot enough pole drinking a margarita? Is that is that the image that I’ve got? That is correct.
Jodi Womack [2:35]
You know, I am truly blessed and fortunate I do I live near Santa Barbara, California and it is gorgeous. Blue Sky sunny weather just the ideal summer day. So yes, I’m happy to be home.
David Ralph [2:49]
You live in vacation land, don’t you? Basically, that’s where we go on holiday, as we say in the United Kingdom. Where Where is you know, where do you go? But is different from that? Because if you go to another hot, sunny place, aren’t you just thinking might as well stayed at home?
Jodi Womack [3:06]
That’s right. That’s right. I live in this tiny little tourist town. It’s got 8000 people, which is really very small for Southern California. And it’s about an hour and a half away from Los Angeles and an hour away from Santa Barbara. So it’s close enough and yet just far enough where big city folk think that it’s a big, big trip out of town, you know? And so where do I like to go I you know, I love big cities to visit. I’m good for about a week, and then I need to get home or somewhere quiet and and where I can have a little space around me little quiet time. But yeah, if I can get to Bali or an island or somewhere with tropical plants and birds, that’s that’s my dream trip. I think
David Ralph [3:53]
he’s the dream for all of us. And in yours, you’re somebody that really can just get back to work for you can’t you because you are an action taker, a lot of the things that we might consider those dreams are something that you bring into reality.
Jodi Womack [4:06]
Well, you know, it didn’t start off that way. So thank you for saying that. Because I don’t always think of myself in that way. I wasn’t headstrong and clear on the intention of what I would do. From the very beginning, I had a nine to five job that started off great. And then after about seven years, it was truly killing me slowly. Where I didn’t want to get out of bed in the morning. And it was really tough. And I was so fortunate to have the support of my husband and my family that just said, you know, no job is worth this kind of unhappiness. And you need to find something that you enjoy where people treat you well and and where you can really give of yourself. And so I did one day I just quit, I gave a little notice. But I left a very good well paying position with health care and benefits and all that. And I started freelancing. And the very first time I got big, big client where it was a one day of my services, and it was about two weeks of my salary. If I had stayed as an employee, I just thought, oh, there’s there’s other games to be played out there. And, you know, unfortunately, in school, they always tell you, at least what I learned was, you know, go to school, study hard, get good grades, go to college, and get a job, you know, that was kind of the end of that, those dots to connect. And really now what I’m learning and the fascinating people that I get to hang out with, it’s really about keep adding more dots, keep adding more people to the mix, because there’s always something new that we can create, that we can design that we can make up, whether it’s a hobby or a paid business that we’re working on. It’s so exciting. These days, what we’re able to do, Jason and I started our own company eight and a half years ago. And from that very basis, we decided we did not want employees coming to our space, we didn’t want a big office with lots of people, we didn’t want to grow that way. But we wanted to be globally independent, meaning we could work from a laptop anywhere in the world. And you know, we post a lot of photos of ourselves as we’re out in the world working. And people just say I can’t believe you get paid to be sitting by the pool in Bali. And you know, Hong Kong and New York and London, all these great places. And there’s no real job description that I’ve ever seen that says, hey, we’re looking for someone to do this. It’s really about making it for yourself, if that’s, you know, for us, that’s what our our highest goals and values are to be able to work together work with great people and work from anywhere in the world
David Ralph [6:48]
will be is a key pulling to life nowadays, I think that we have opportunities. But we didn’t have years ago, I was having a fascinating conversation with a lady this afternoon. And she was saying, but everything really has become a processing plan. Education is we shut the kids in one end, they get processed, and they pop out the other end straight into an office where they go through five or 10 years until they go into another office. And we kind of came up with this concept. And the when I was talking about it, I thought this is a bit mad actually. But now I’ve thought about had about three or four hours to think about it, I think it’s actually true. And now the real entrepreneurs in life are the ones with the hustle muscle. And before the sort of industry change and the sort of the factory started booming and everybody did sort of have to go into that area. We were far more hustle muscle. And if you went right back to sort of the caveman time they were ultimate hustlers, they had to go out and the only way that they were going to survive was by going out, getting what they needed, bringing back to the cave, whatever, and going again the next day. And it’s that middle bit of life, isn’t it. But it’s got a so programme to battle what we need to do with life. But we should start trying to break that down some way. And really think a bit like the caveman. It’s up to us to create our own realities.
Jodi Womack [8:10]
Right, there is no happily ever after you still wake up the next morning and need to do what you do. And I think it’s a real disservice to young people, especially to say, oh, as soon as you get there, you’ll be happy, you’ll be safe, you’ll be secure, you’ll be whatever those promises are, it really is about making it up every day, deciding what it is that you want to be working on and finding a way to make it happen. And there’s just no greater time to be able to do that now with what’s available online and connecting people I created on in person networking event for women entrepreneurs, because I found that we were getting separated from each other from working so much online. And we needed to go back to in person events where we you know, we have we should share a drink, we share a meal we somehow come together and food and beverages are always like that universal bonding. You know, it’s where people feel safe. And you’re doing something right, you’re standing around. Yeah, yeah, it’s that’s a universal. But I put together I tried going to the existing networking events, and I just found them to be dreadful, and people were very depressed and talking about what was wrong and how bad everything was. And I’d get home, it’s like, wow, I should have stayed. You know, because it didn’t lift me up. It didn’t give me any new possibilities. And I, I felt worse than then before I had left. So I thought I would put together this group of women just because women love a chance to get together and chat. You don’t really even need to give them a reason. But women entrepreneurs, people that own their own companies, and I found a woman owned pub, pub and restaurant here in our community. And I said, Could I host something and it’ll be you know, a cash bar, everybody will buy what they want. And she said, you can have the banquet room in the back on one condition. And I was really nervous. I said, Okay, what’s the condition, she said, Well, you can have it if I’m invited. And it just made me so happy, you know that everybody wants to be included. And that was the beginning of almost five years of monthly gatherings. I called him socials because I wanted to keep them fun, and uplifting and events that people actually wanted to go to. They were like cocktail parties where people drove from an hour away, I mentioned I lived, I live about 100 miles or so from Los Angeles. And people were coming up from Los Angeles and down from Santa Barbara, to come to these business networking gatherings. Because they were so unlike everything else. And that’s another key is to not recreate what already exists, but make something new that that you know that people want to go to. I don’t I’m not a big fan of like taking role and signing up. And a lot of rules and structure that just bores me terribly. And really the most interesting conversations come from people when you’re not talking about your work specifically, but about all the other things that are happening in your life and your animals or your hobbies or what you’re reading or where you’re going. And, you know, so I just said, Come and expect to meet great people. And if there’s something you need in your business, ask for it. Ask someone you know, who do you know, who makes websites does bookkeeping, you know, that sort of thing and come with a little bit prepared on your mind. But other than that, just come prepared to have a good time and be yourself. It’s there’s no other elevator pitches, there’s no, you know, those rhyming 30 seconds, like, here’s what I do, and like, some people are born to do that. And I admire them, but I was never one of them. So whenever I would go to one of those networking events where they’d say, okay, you have 30 seconds, tell us what you do, who your ideal client is. And, you know, what’s your pitch? What’s, what’s your call to action. I never remember what I said, I never liked what I said. And then I never really heard what anybody else was saying, because I was either thinking of what I would say about myself or judging myself afterwards of what I should have said, and I can’t believe I said that. So so just to
David Ralph [12:40]
sort of slow you down. Because it there’s so many elements that surely I wanted to jump in on. So I love your passion. And so I want to come back to your company now no more nylons, because it is the key thing to you. It’s just one of you aspects, but it is a big thing. But this is obviously Join Up Dots. And so what we want to do is get to the point point of your storey, where it started gaining momentum. And unfortunately, for so many people, the key part, the big.as, we call it is the time as you say when you’re in a job, and you realise that no job is worth that level of unhappiness. So can you just sort of take us back to that time? Because it’s gonna, it’s gonna have a resonance with so many of our listeners who are in that position? What was it that finally tipped you over? and made you take that leap of faith? Was it just the support of your partner and your parents? Or was it something that you just knew? Fundamentally, you had to do?
Jodi Womack [13:39]
The last straw? That is what we call it was the one piece of the job that I loved the most that held it all together, was cancelled was taken away. And
David Ralph [13:51]
and what was that?
Jodi Womack [13:53]
Oh, so I was in theory, the Director of Training for the public events happening all all over the country and throughout Europe. And the company decided they were no longer going to do public events, they were only going to do in house client events. And so that that basically got rid of any kind of travel that I would have in any kind of a, you know, event planning, which I really enjoy. And, you know, could you could see with me making my own networking events, I like to plan things. Yeah, be, you know, the hub. And I just thought, so now I’m basically a bookkeeper and a secretary. And like the whipping boy, I just, I was getting the brunt of all of the office abuse. And I just thought I’m done. You know, it was that last piece that I loved when that was went away. It’s like, I can’t imagine coming back to this place. And, you know, it was about two years overdue. And when I look back, now, I’m so grateful that it got that bad.
David Ralph [15:01]
That’s the Kate that that is the key thing, isn’t it, you know, once again, I’m jumping in there, because it’s unfortunate. But as the key thing, when things get bad, really bad, it’s the time that it pushes you out of that comfort zone that can keep you in a position that you’re really not happy with the year upon year upon year. But you do have to get to that point, when you go, I’m not putting up with this any longer. And then more often than not, you make that leap of faith, you start creating your environment on the way down. And then as you get down, you realise, actually, this isn’t as bad, I think I’ve got the skills, because of all the unpleasantness that’s gone through, I’m a bit tougher than I was. And I can make a go of it.
Jodi Womack [15:44]
Right. And I think what I love about Join Up Dots is a lot of times it like you talked about, it’s easier to look back and see how it all connected. And when you’re in that horrible desperate spot, sometimes it’s so hard to see forward, like it just doesn’t look like anything’s going to work out. And that’s why I stayed. And it wasn’t until I I got to that point where there’s truly nothing that is fulfilling me here. And it’s just a painful experience every day, then that gave me the the leap of faith. And I figured I could wait tables, I could be a substitute teacher, you know, I could go back to all these jobs that I had done in my youth. And it felt like a step back. But it also felt like you know what, I will survive, and I’d rather survive and be mentally okay and happy then be depressed and trapped, you know, in this place, because there’s a salary and benefits, you know, and it was a big leap. And I was super fortunate to have the support. I know that there’s a lot of people on their own that don’t have, you know, financial support or, or people saying yes, this is a good hi to go do something else. But it got to that point where I, it was I got to a place where I didn’t want to get out of bed in the morning. And that’s not like me. And that’s where I had to get.
David Ralph [17:08]
I’m sorry that you went through that. But I am glad you went through it as well. Because, you know, I, I went through the same thing. And I know that pretty much, I would say 85% maybe 90% of the people that have been on this show have also gone through that, where they’ve had a manager in my case, it was a manager who was a complete cow, she really was and from the moment that I met her, I did not see eye to eye with her. And I hated it. And I remember going to see a friend in his farm. And I was walking with him and I said I’m so depressed here. My This is really doing me. And he said, What are you going to do? And I went, the only thing I can think of is quitting. And once I said that, I thought, yeah, that is the only thing I can do. Yeah, I’ve got to quit. Right. Okay, you. So what do I do now? And then why I need to increase my income. Now I don’t I just need to pay the bills. Right. Okay. And I started working on it. And once I started working on it, I actually realised it wasn’t as frightening as I thought it was, it was still frightening when I when I handed in my paper. I said, right, I’m leaving, my director went, I’m not accepting that, you’ve got to give it to HR. So when I go over to HR, and I gave it to HR, and they just accepted it off the bat, they don’t care. He’s just one person after another. And they’re like that HR. As long as you as long as you don’t die on their desk, it’s you know, it doesn’t matter where you are. And I walked out. And even though I’d handed my cards in the first or the hour, so I want you to go out and tell everyone going, oh, I’ve done it. I’ve done it. But I didn’t tell anyone at all. And then after about two days, I started giving up, I made the right decision here, is it really bad, am I being rash, all those kind of things. And it was just that anchoring that was trying to pull me back in. But God best thing I ever did to leave there.
Jodi Womack [19:10]
It’s just as you said, when you stop thinking about leaving something that’s making you unhappy, instead of thinking bad is a giant life altering event, start thinking about it small pieces. And number one, you know, finances are just a fact of life. And if you know what your monthly needs are, you know for rent and food and utilities and find out what your bare minimum is that you need to survive. Like you said, you don’t need to increase your income at that point, you just need to get to survival mode so that you have a basic grasp of the end of the you know what you need to have to make ends meet and that sort of thing. And then the other thing that really helped me was calling upon my network and starting to let people know, hey, I’m doing pretty marketing right now I write press releases and web copy. Let me know if you need those types of services. Or if you know, somebody who does, and I had worked instantly, and it started off small. But then it grew and the word of mouth grew. And just there was so much good natured support, people were really rooting for me. And that’s another thing that I don’t know that is a common understanding is that people really want the best for you. It’s not always a dog eat dog world. And you know, everybody’s out for themselves. But Pete, there are people out there that want to help you along your journey. And it’s really good to connect with them regularly, so you’re not just calling upon them when you need something,
David Ralph [20:51]
what do you think, but is a truth. And it is a true, so many people will tell me that on a daily basis, you know, if you reach out to somebody, and you do it in the right way, generally, the response is going to be positive. And I’ve been saying that same thing, literally every single show, but you can’t you can’t create your dream life on your own, you’ve got to actually reach out and ask for help is the only way to do it. And I’m an advocate about now and I wasn’t to begin with I really thought I could do everything on my own. But even though we’re saying it and you’re saying it and your your husband, Jason, I’m sure he said it, and all the other guests, you still don’t believe it, when you haven’t first reached out to you, you’re still sitting at your desk thinking, I want to do this thing. I don’t know how to do it, no one’s going to help me but you have got help. And it can be from the strangest areas of the globe.
Jodi Womack [21:45]
Right. And I think that’s really fun, too, is that it’s not a financial support. So it’s not that you’re asking people for a donation or you know, a contribution or to hire you exactly. But people love have to feel valuable, right. And so if they can say, Oh, I know somebody that works in HR over this other company, you know, let me know, if you’d like me to make an introduction, or my neighbour happens to be building a company and needs somebody in this position. You know, everybody knows somebody at some level, right. And if you meet enough people, you get all the bases covered, whether you need housing, or childcare, or you know, help finding a new position or help building your own company as you start to build your own work up. And, and that’s what I loved about the women’s socials was that women socially talk about all the aspects of their lives. And so they’ll tell you what grade their kids are going into. And that, you know, there’s something happening with their home, and they’re going to need this or that. And, you know, even now, I heard so many women talk about having to find eldercare, you know, because the women were were taking care of their children and their parents. And so there’s this whole new dynamic and, you know, people are, are complicated. And, and everybody’s got something. So I’m always looking at how do I help? How do I contribute? How do I connect people together?
David Ralph [23:23]
But But what you did was remarkable it you know, I’m sitting here listening to you talking, and I’m thinking to myself, it’s all right, saying what you said about, okay, I just had a word and I got a whole and people started flocking. But you must have had that strength of character, which so many people don’t possess, you must have had that extra steel to think, okay, I might be in this hole on my own, I might be in this room with the women downstairs. And that’s the only person and if that happens, that’s the worst thing that’s going to happen. He really doesn’t really saw be anywhere than that. But a lot of people wouldn’t take that first step. And a lot of people would be fearful of, well, what happens if no one turns up? And how much am I going to spend on this? And all those kind of things? Did you always have that sort of hustle in you?
Jodi Womack [24:15]
I have always had the fear that I will throw a party that nobody shows up to this day. And I’ll tell you it, it has happened. I think once I do a Social in New York City, home of like 9 million people and three other women showed up and I, at first I wanted to cry because it just seemed like such a failure. And then I thought you know what, three women took the subway about 45 minutes from all the outer boroughs to come into the city to meet with me. And we had an phenomenal brainstorming session, just the four of us. And it’s just a matter of turning, turning the mindset because the only reason it feels like a failure is we’ve set some kind of artificial expectation. The world is not really watching the world is really busy doing their own thing, if you haven’t noticed. And so a failure is just the the idea that Oh, there should have been 50 people there should have been 100. You know, there is no short it’s, it is what it is. And that was one of my greatest learnings is just to get out of my own way and let it be what it is give it my all. The socials in the beginning cost me Nothing. I just had to get the courage up to ask the venue owner, the restaurant owner if I could have the space. And the agreement was people would pay for their own drinks. And we would have this space. And as we and I had no idea what I was doing. I’ll be perfectly honest. Except that I knew people like to come together and chat that’s universal, every country I’ve ever visited. That’s something that I can make happen. And so I did I put it on Facebook, I emailed a couple of girlfriends, and 13 women showed up on a rainy February evening and in Southern California, we don’t usually go out in the rain, because we may melt.
David Ralph [26:21]
You just surprised on you. What’s this wet stuff coming out the sky?
Jodi Womack [26:26]
Like I can’t drive it’s raining.
David Ralph [26:28]
Yeah, don’t don’t come to England, you wouldn’t survive.
Jodi Womack [26:34]
I’d like to visit but just for short bits anyway. So I was thrilled to have these 13 women and myself one of them was nursing a newborn, she asked me special, you know, she didn’t want to ruin my party. And that was another thing. It’s like, get rid of any expectations that I have about what a business networking event is. And if someone needs a nursing mom needs a corner and a little space, you know, have added? Who am I to say that nursing mother shouldn’t be networking? Right? She probably is. She was so grateful to have grown up conversation. You know, she had been at home with the other kids and with the baby. And she’s a very senior executive in the insurance company here in town.
David Ralph [27:20]
And do you still keep in contact with that?
Jodi Womack [27:22]
Oh, yeah, yeah, I see her kids. I mean, it’s, we’re just all fluid and I love to, to celebrate people’s successes. They tell me when they get raises and promotions. And they tell me, you know, hey, I’m moving to the other side of the country. Do you know anybody in you know, and I’ll go through my LinkedIn, Connexions and see who I know in that new city and then start making introductions. So I love being the hub. And that’s the other thing. I’ve known that since I was a little kid.
David Ralph [27:54]
And you preempted me, but but the tagline of the show is connecting our past to build our future. It’s, it’s really started to hit home, that we all know our path, because it’s what we did, as a younger child, and all the things that we used to love. So I imagine that you was the one who in school, if a new kid came into the class, you was the one that would go, oh, come and sit with me. And I’ll show you around and all that kind of stuff.
Jodi Womack [28:20]
Right? Where are you from? What you do? And where’s this? Do you have any siblings. And And truly, I wish I had kept all of my report cards from elementary school. Because my memory is, there was always a comment when the teachers could write that. And the gist of it, the general overarching theme was, if God would ever stop talking, she could get her own work done. And I look back now, and that’s such a joke, you know, that they, they didn’t know that talking and communicating and connecting and reaching out was a skill, you know that that’s a gift. And it really took a lot for me to embrace that and not not make that wrong about myself. And that’s something I feel really strongly about with whenever I get to hang out with 20 somethings or even teenagers, which I don’t hang out with very often. But you know, I say take that piece of criticism that everybody’s saying about you. and flip it, see what it is about you that essence of you, that is really genuine. Because if you like being the centre of attention, if you like talking, if you like, being the first one to do something, that’s those are clues. And those are the dots that are going to lead you down a certain path. And I think unfortunately, school tries to diminish those because it doesn’t make for a neat and orderly classroom experience. In the general school system
David Ralph [29:55]
Jodi Womack [29:57]
right, right. You know, you’re supposed to sit down, be quiet, read and listen and take a test and fill in the dots. And, you know, that sort of thing. And that was never mind strength. And I learned it. And I the fact that I had a nine to five job where I sat at a desk and didn’t communicate or move or touch or talk, you know, really surprises me. My sister is a great example of that, too. I never like she’s very pretty and was princess at the all the high school events. I was like, I always wondered, like, what is this kid going to do when she grows up. And she went into design. And she worked for Harley Davidson and designed leather jackets. And then she worked for Mattel and design Barbie clothes. And you know, she just found her niche in fashion and beauty and, you know, knowing what was coming, what trends were coming, because she was always ahead of them, you know. And I think those are valuable people skills that schooling downplays because they don’t have a box to put it in, you know, it’s not reading or history or science or maths. And so it’s up to us, and especially if you know young people or have teenagers or kids in school, you know, to really encourage those quirky traits, because that’s truly, I believe, what makes us so interesting as adults as when we come back to those that what makes us so fabulous and interesting to start with.
David Ralph [31:32]
I remember talking to your husband, and I imagine he’s still walking around in these Mexico shirt at the moment. And when finders 2.0, a book by Tom, Rafe, have you taken the test? Are you aware of that book,
Jodi Womack [31:49]
I am aware of it, I have not taken it?
David Ralph [31:51]
Well, God, you’re missing a trick you really are. Because this is an amazing book, but really emphasises fat. If you do something in your life that’s really natural. And sometimes you don’t know what your true skill is. But this, this book has a test at the back of it. And it’s about hundred and 90 questions, and a very sort of grey area. So some of them really sound like ones you’ve answered previously. And you only get like 20 seconds to do is all online. And at the end of it, you come out with your five key strengths. And the chap who wrote the book basically said, in the education system, and for the world as a whole, we always focus on the weaknesses, you come back with your school report, and you’re doing really well on six subjects and your mom and dad will go That’s good. But we need to get you help on these other ones. And he was saying that if we just forget about the other ones, and focus in on our streams, but morale in the office would be better because people will be doing the things that they actually like doing. Productivity would be better. People wouldn’t be jumping from one job to another, they would be enjoying where they are. And the whole world would be a better place. You got to play to your strengths. Now I did that test. And it told me about myself before I even knew myself. It was weird. The first trick that came out was I think futurist, and I’ve always been somebody that kind of goes I wouldn’t it be amazing if we could do this. And if we could do that, and why don’t we do this, and let’s go off on holiday. And we’ll have a great time. It’s always been my kind of thing. And I love a conversation that is about the future. And then the second one was not communication of all Yeah, okay, let’s go now, and then go into the third and the fourth and the fifth. And I can’t afford I’m not sure that’s right. But my God, now I think it’s bang on and all five of them are spot on. And if anyone’s out there and you’re trying to find your path, what God is saying is key. Look back in your life. Look at the things that you want to do, or you really love doing as a kid, and you would run home from school to do them before you know you got a chance because that’s what made you come alive. Take this test as well, if that confirms it, try and build a business around it or try do something and you will have a kick ass life. Yes, that was a bit of a rant wasn’t a god.
Jodi Womack [34:06]
Yeah. So it was that was homework. That was very good. I wish there was a programme in school that
David Ralph [34:13]
well, what? Why Why isn’t there? Why is there not a programme at school? Why is it that God woman is saying that? David, Ralph is saying that I’ve even had professors on this show who say the same thing. We all say the same thing. We all know it’s a truth. But we’re still not doing anything about it. Why are we taking kids and this is a big red because it annoys me big time. But why are we taking kids and putting them into subjects that quite frankly, they don’t need and they won’t need and then push them into university where they go off and get degrees in Roman agriculture or whatever, it’s not going to do you any good. You got to find the things that fulfil, you enjoy them, you’re gonna pass them quicker. And then you can come out you can juggle things around and make your own environment.
Jodi Womack [35:00]
Right? Well, I I say if you have a fun relative like, I get to be cool at God, for my niece and nephew. And I love to take each of them. They’re nine and seven years old, and have one on one playdates with them. And just say what is it that you would love to do? And I really feel like I get to know the kids well, because it’s not the typical stuff. And so a lot of times when they come to visit me here, and Oh, hi, that’s how you say the name of the town. Oh, gee, I the one little girl She’s like, I want to see chickens and horses. And you know, I take them to the orchards and let them pick Oranges and lemons and things off the trees. And just giving them that experiential hands on. It sounds funny. Another great book, in addition to Strength Finders is the artist way? Have you heard of that one?
David Ralph [35:57]
No, I haven’t you tell us about it.
Jodi Womack [36:00]
The Artist’s Way. And it takes people through their artistic journey and, and gives them little projects and homework and activities to do. And so you get to know about yourself through these art projects. And you know, one of them is taking yourself out on an artist’s date just by yourself. And so it’ll be you know, looking at large groups of people, you know, so you just sit on the stairwell or on the side and watch people go by and make up storeys about who’s what and why, you know, what they’re on their way to. And, anyway, it’s a it’s a fascinating book, I just found it, I’m looking through my library here, The Artist’s Way a spiritual path to higher creativity by Julia Cameron. And that’s just another nonlinear way of finding out more about yourself and what you really enjoy. If you say, Well, I don’t know what it is. And that was always my problem that I, I didn’t know that talking to people or putting together parties was allowed to be something I was good at. Does that make sense?
David Ralph [37:13]
It makes it makes total sense. It really does. You know, I am I’m inspired now to get this message across. And when I created this show, hundred episodes ago, I didn’t come into this area at all, it wasn’t the focus of the show. But now it’s it’s totally that focus of the show, it’s number one that people don’t know what they they’re good at. And number two, that you do know what you’re good at, and just look back on it. And you’ve got to take that leap of faith. And it’s, it’s providing that blueprint for success. And so you are absolutely nailing it, I know exactly what you’re saying. Because I felt the same way. And everybody else feels the same way. So any of the listeners out there that are in that situation where they’ve just got that urge to do something, but I’m not really sure what it is what it is, please, please, please, you know, drop me a line and I will help you in any way I can to sort of, um, hopefully point you in the direction of maybe an episode that you’ve missed, that will be good for you, or some kind of resource, or even just a conversation with the two of us because you can have the life you want. And you’re not alone, we’ve all been through that situation of not knowing our path.
Jodi Womack [38:21]
That’s a very generous offer. For all of you out there, I would absolutely take him up on that.
David Ralph [38:28]
I’ve opened myself our webinar, my email is going to be read roar.
Jodi Womack [38:33]
And see this is what goes back to what we were talking about before people love to help. And I think something we’re taught when we’re very little is you have to know what you’re asking before you’re allowed to ask. And I, I would like to undo that rule for everybody. Because part of the process is just admitting, I don’t know where to start. And I don’t even know what to ask for, like what kind of help to get. So an invitation that you just offered David to say, give me a you know, send me a note. And let’s chat. That’s that’s the first step and really discovering all the new, juicy, wonderful experiences that are available out there for you. And people do want to help you,
David Ralph [39:21]
they do have fun. And what I want to do at this point is bring on the late Steve Jobs, who back in 2005 said these remarkable words that we play on every show. And I don’t want to sort of lose track of their passion that you’re presenting to our audience. But I also want to get your flavour of what these words mean to you. So this is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [39:43]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots somehow connecting your future, you have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference. What do you think about those words, God,
Jodi Womack [40:20]
I love them, I can listen to that over and over. I just think that was such a gift to so many of us that haven’t had a straight line for career. And there are a lot of us out there. And I think that is such a gift of hope and permission and inspiration that you don’t have to find your job in the newspaper, you don’t have to be that, you know, literal about what it is that you do and who you do it with.
David Ralph [40:55]
Do you think both those words are about taking leaps? Faith? Is it about just trusting your own personal abilities? What what what angle do you come to those words from
Jodi Womack [41:07]
the word that comes strong to me is intuition. And that there’s so much happening and there’s so much we can do with our logical mind, in preparing ourselves for work and career in life and that sort of thing. And then there’s this kind of magic and I love that he doesn’t say what it is exactly, he uses a whole bunch of terms, whether it’s karma or intuition or faith, but that there’s something inside of each of us that slightly different, the different calling the different information the different to me, I like to think of it as intuition. And tapping in and fine tuning that, you know, because sometimes I’ll get a picture of a friend, it’s like, oh, I should write them a note, or I should call them and I don’t because I’m busy, right, or it’s the middle of my day, and I just don’t think make time for it. Um, and then I find out later that they were in crisis. And you know, could have really used a friend at that time, I have a couple friends in crisis right now. I’m as I get older, I’m giving myself more permission to give those intuitive hits of mine more validity and just say, you know what, I’m going to take a little break from work, go outside and make a few calls, you know, and walk down, walk around the block, do something, you know, but tap in when I get little bits of information. And it’s the same thing with client calls. You know, there’s some times where I haven’t heard from a client, we did work with them years ago, haven’t done much with them or seen them since. And then Facebook will show me that it’s their birthday. And, and I’ll just give them a call, say happy birthday, instead of being one of the hundreds online sending them online wishes. And, you know, it’s they didn’t get any other calls that day other than me, and that made them feel really special, you know, and there’s just, there’s no wrong way to do things. Other than not doing them at all, you know, I stayed in a job, which was killing me slowly, because I didn’t know what was next. And I didn’t know how to take that leap of faith until I was really pushed so far in the corner that I was squishing out all over different directions. And I like I said, I’m so grateful that it got so bad that I had to change because if not, I would still be a receptionist in an awful office with mean people. And there’s a there’s a person here in our community that still works in that office, and I see her in the coffee shops in the morning. And I go that’s my routine is I go to the coffee shop in the morning, and I meet with people and I’m there for an hour, hour and a half. And it gives me such joy. And when I see her walk in, it looks like she’s aged 2530 years. And I know exactly, it’s just a mirror for me, I look at her. And I just say that could have been me, that could have been me slowly dying, and wasting away. And I’m so grateful that I had the courage that I had the strength and community and the love and support of the people around me. And that that, that I was able to get past the fear. And that’s really, if you can build the support up to get past the fear there is so much abundance waiting on the other side. And I think building a network of people that support you building up the people that have innovative new ideas and like to share them people that have positive ideas. You know, listening to podcasts like this, if you don’t have anybody in your immediate environment, find the people online that you want to be influencing you because it’s possible to build the kind of support network that’s going to help you grow and thrive and not just survive. And your there’s so much for you to do in this world. And that’s the lesson I tell my younger self is, you know, there’s so much good for me to do in this world right now. And I am I don’t know what’s personal and what’s work anymore, because it’s all blended. It’s all it’s just me showing up as me and that’s how I get to be in the world. And that’s the most abundant feeling I’ve ever experienced. Well, let’s get you on the mic. Let’s
David Ralph [45:41]
get you on the Sermon on the mic, and then send you back in time because I’m fascinated you you’ve shared so much fear and you’ve you’ve been really open and honest. But let’s see if you could really drill down to give him words of advice to your younger self. What would God Womack say so I’m going to play the music and when it fades you up and this is the Sermon on the mic.
With the best of the show the Sermon on the Mount.
Jodi Womack [46:27]
Oh kiddo, you are perfect and outrageous, just the way you are. The biggest goals and possibilities are available to you. If you show up truly is you stop looking around to see if other people are watching you. And just do it. Anyway. keep throwing parties keep putting book clubs together, keep planning trips to tropical places in the world, keep inviting people over, keep connecting the people that should know one another and write it all down, write down the things that hurt write down the things that inspire, read great books, read things that you want more of, turn off the TV, it is all crap. And, and get outside more, the more you get to play and be in the sunshine and the rain and feel things for for real, the more you’ll have this true full experience in life. And I’ll tell you, that’s what people are attracted to. That’s what people really want is they want to be surrounded by other people that feel things deeply. And that’s the poetry of life. And it sounds cheesy, but when you’re living that it is so abundant and attractive, and outrageous and and in comprehensible, what is really possible in this world. And so keep dreaming. Make your list of countries that you want to visit in the world make a list of people that you’d like to have conversations with dream big, they would be delighted to talk to you and really have a conversation about what it is you want to know. And eat well take care of yourself stop crap coming in, whether that’s food or input or movies or people get rid of the vampires, you really don’t have to spend as much time as you think you do with them. You can cut them out and they’re going to say what they’re going to say anyway. So find the people who really care smile as much as you smile. Don’t apologise for who you are. And just know that it all works out that way. Isn’t that really? what we all want to know that it all works out? You’re gonna be okay. That is my sermon on the mic.
David Ralph [49:08]
Wow, I bet little Jody couldn’t write fast enough. She’s, um, she’s now got a cramp on that one. That was absolutely inspiring. I can’t believe that you just came out with all that. So thank you so much for sharing that, Jody. And for all our listeners out there who have been in fraud and entertained and inspired by your word. How can they connect with you?
Jodi Womack [49:32]
I do daily networking tips on no more nylons, calm. And I also, um, that’s really the best place. I also send out newsletters and things about what I’m working on and building this get momentum leadership programme. I’m still producing events. And so you are all welcome to come here to Ohio, California. We’d love to have you. And that’s on get momentum dot c. Oh.
David Ralph [50:02]
Well, thank you so much for spending time with us today. Join those dots. And please come back again when you have more dots to join up. Because I believe that by joining up the dots of our life and connecting our past is the best way to build our future. Jody Womack, thank you so much.
Jodi Womack [50:18]
David doesn’t want you to become a faded version of the brilliant self you are wants to become. So he’s put together an amazing guide for you called the eight pieces of advice that every successful entrepreneur practices, including the two that changed his life. Head over to Join Up Dots.com to download this amazing guide for free and we’ll see you tomorrow on Join Up Dots.