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Introducing Ron Fugle
Joining the military back in 1998 Ron performed the role of tank member crewman for three years before departing the armed forces and setting off on his entrepreneurial venture.
Working in a series of motor dealerships he always knew that he was on a different path, and with a show like Join Up Dots demonstrating this everyday, the path can appear at anytime.
There is literally no time like the present to start taking the first step on the road that feels so right and is unique to that individual.
How The Dots Joined For Ron
So in Jan 2014, Ron Fugle powered up his microphone and launched the Fire & Adjust Podcast, providing support and content for military veterans across the world.
And with the response being phenomenal and the progress of the show showing that if you target a niche and do it the right way, then you have a great chance of a future that is nothing short of a wow.
So what does Ron Fugle consider to be the big takes from his life in the Army?
What was the tipping point to start speaking to the world and putting himself out there?
And if he could share the things that have made it easier to transition from the forces to an entrepreneurial life what would they be?
Well let’s bring onto the show to start joining up dots, as we discuss the words of Steve Jobs with the one and only Mr Ron Fugle.
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Ron Fugle such as:
How there comes a time in the words of Michael O’Neal “That you know too much” and how important that is to someone who is ready to start!
How he states that “The War Of Art” by Steven Pressfield is such an amazing resource, and helped him overcome his fears!
How if it wasn’t for a shoulder injury he would have been in the army for 20 years!
How the Army is the maximum peer group for success!
How like so many of us he feels the imposter syndrome strongly and struggles to overcome it in all new ventures he undertakes!
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Audio Transcription Of Ron Fugle Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David, Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Good morning, everybody. How are we? How are we all? Well, welcome to Episode 92 of Join Up Dots. It’s been an absolute roller coaster ride since we started. And it’s getting better and better because now, why excitingly, I get to go on other people shows and talk about myself and who doesn’t like talking about themselves? I certainly do. And today’s guest was an absolute delight to invite me on his show, fire and adjust. And let’s give you a bit of introduction about the chat. He’s a man whose career I suppose has been one of the most contrast joining the military back in 1998. He performed the role of tank member crewman for three years before departing the armed forces and setting off on his entrepreneurial venture. Working in a series of motor dealerships, he always knew that he was on a different path. And with a show like Join Up Dots demonstrating this every day, that part can appear at any time, there’s literally no time like the present to start taking the first step on the road that feels so right, and is unique to that individual. So in January 2014, our guest powered up his mic and launched, as I said before the fire and adjust podcast providing supporting content, but military veterans across the world. And within response being phenomenal and the progress of the show showing that if you target a niche, or niche and do it the right way, then you have a great chance of a future that is nothing short of a Wow. So what does our guest considered to be the big takes from us live in the army on what was the tipping point to start speaking to the world, and really putting himself Hello out there. And I suppose the main question, if you could share the things that have made it easier to transition from the forces to an entrepreneurial life, what would they be? Well, let’s find out as we start Join Up Dots with the one and only my mic on the mic. Mr. Ron buco. How are you today, Ron?
Ron Fugle [2:18]
I am doing awesome, sir. Thank you so much for the great introduction. And I appreciate you having me on the show as well, man, it’s, uh, I’ve been a fan of yours for a while you know that.
David Ralph [2:28]
That’s lovely. That’s not like we had we had a good time on your show. We didn’t mean it was one of those shows. Yeah, we didn’t really feel that we were recording it was almost like a kind of private conversation. That then was blasted out to the world.
Ron Fugle [2:40]
And you know, it’s funny, as you said, we’re not recording or something like that, and I flinched. I was going to go hit that record button. I guess that’s the reaction coming out of me that’s that’s funny that happened when you said that but ya know, our, our time together it is and even just like right now back and forth banter. It’s it’s that rapport we have, like we’re talking briefly is just amazing. So that’s cool to have.
David Ralph [3:02]
What what what do you think it is about podcasting, that is so exciting, because I know so many people been saying to me, but they listen to the show, from new listeners and people that I used to know in my past life. And none of them really used to listen to talk radio, it wasn’t a thing. You always have to have music. But there is a power isn’t there to podcast when two people are having an intimate conversation together, which I think because you actually deliberately choose and you’re not just sort of scanning through trying to find something to listen to. There’s there’s a power that comes out, but you don’t actually get on radio. Would you agree?
Ron Fugle [3:38]
Yeah, yeah. And you know, what else? I think is it too? Is it the power and the choices within your audience, you know, where the radio, you’re kind of limited to what those radio stations deem you want to listen to. And then also the choices you get where with podcasting as its infinite value, their their infinite options, I mean, where if I like listening to veteran podcasts, then I want to go and listen to Join Up Dots, and I want to go and listen to Michael O’Neill. And I can pick and choose my schedule, what I want to listen to and what I want to learn. You know, I think that’s where the real connexion with podcasting comes in.
David Ralph [4:13]
And you can do it at any time, can’t you because the shows are evergreen. And that’s the kind of fascinating thing that I think anyone who is on the mic, you’re leaving your your dots behind, because you can see show one show to show 10. And you can actually track your own progression. Well, I don’t think you can generally do that in life. You just go into work. It all blends into one and then you suddenly start thinking, Oh, I can do this now. But you can’t see you don’t leave that evidence behind you, dear.
Ron Fugle [4:41]
Yeah, no, no, it’s painful it is to listen back to the first episodes and how much I struggled. You know, I wasn’t definitely the person to be behind the mic. And I stepped outside of my box to make this happen. So
David Ralph [4:51]
so so did you not listen back to your first ones do not like them.
Ron Fugle [4:56]
I know I like them. But it’s definitely I can hear the the you know what it is I can hear the fear and the uncertainty in my voice. And where as you go on, and you get some reps and you start getting more comfortable behind the microphone and stuff that starts to dissipate a little bit. So you get a little less hums in as and pauses and breaks and stuff like that, that in the beginning, you drive yourself mad, because I think you’re also overanalyzing yourself. You know what I’m saying? Like you you discussed that? You’re to a point now where you’re on such a high level, David, where you barely have to, to edit your stuff. And that’s awesome. You know, I’m saying and I think in the beginning, when we all start off, we’re really so scared about it. We just overanalyze everything, you know, so, well, I
David Ralph [5:36]
didn’t realise that I said, as much as I did. But when I listened back to my earlier episodes, you’re absolutely right, there are arms all over the place. And it is just that ability to give your brain a chance to catch up in arms. And in normal conversation, it’s okay, you can save it and nobody bats an eyelid. But when you actually recording and you play it back, it is something that you have to learn. And I’m not even sure how you do learn to stop saying, um, do you think it’s just competence that stops you doing that all the time?
Ron Fugle [6:08]
I think I think it’s confidence and over over time, but I think you’re right, I think you need those pauses and breaks if, if I didn’t have them, I would run off on even more rabbit holes. And I already do you know, it would be it would be an interesting thing. But yeah, so I have to actually sometimes and bring myself back and say Hold on a second, I lost my train of thought. Because you get going, you know, have all these ideas. And I think a lot of us podcasters are, are the type of person that does the look squirrel thing. You know what I’m saying? So we can do it to ourselves when we’re rambling on and talking to you know, especially if it’s something you’re passionate about, and you love talking about, like, obviously, you and I talking about podcasting right now is something that we could probably do an infinite number of shows about, you know what I’m saying? So something like that you can just blast
David Ralph [6:51]
is an absolute blast. I love this more than anything I’ve ever done in my life. Without without a doubt. And it’s just, it’s amazing to me how the world becomes small when you start putting yourself out there. And I suppose the question I want to ask you, Ron, first of all, is, if you look back on it, and we’re not going to focus in on podcasting all the time, because it’s interesting to me interesting to you, but for the rest of the people, they don’t really care. They just want to
Ron Fugle [7:20]
know, and right, yep.
David Ralph [7:22]
And so we’re talking about our favourite microphones and all that and who cares? Who cares? But the thing with you is, you say that on the first episode, it was actually you breaking down your envelope coming out of your comfort zone. Why did you want to do that? Why did you want to put yourself out there if it wasn’t a natural state of being for you to do that?
Ron Fugle [7:44]
I have a gentleman that we listened to mutually says something quite often as I came to a point where I knew too much, you know what I’m saying? I’ve done a lot of research over the
David Ralph [7:55]
midnight check, because he’s a legend.
Ron Fugle [7:58]
Right. Michael O’Neill and and he always says it and it’s it’s one of the things that he says that resonates me with me because I am the guy with over 150 audio books in his in his audio account as audible account, you know, and I have Tupperware totes full of books that I’ve read and Highland and when I say read I mean they’re, they’re dog eared there are highlighted there are underlined, there’s stuff. No, I mean, I go in there and I find notes that I wrote to myself 13 years ago, you know, so it’s just it came to a point where I said, Okay, enough’s enough. Something’s holding me back. What was it? And, and then I found a book called. Oddly enough, it’s the War of Art. There’s what the art of war, I always get that one screwed up. But what Stephen Freshfields book about overcoming fear. OK, OK, so
Unknown Speaker [8:50]
the War of Art that sounds right.
Ron Fugle [8:53]
Well, the art of war is a big military book, too. So it’s like those two I bet there. It’s, it’s hard to decipher between the two, one, I’m trying to bring it out all of a sudden, you know what I’m saying? But yeah, his book, his book was by fire. Check that out. Because it’ll tell you that through the face of adversity, you know, the best things come in, sometimes with the biggest fear the biggest struggles or the biggest obstacle that you have to overcome, and and on the other side is going to be the best thing you know. So that’s, that’s what it was. And maybe we maybe it came up in our other podcast, we’re not afraid of heights, but I jumped out of planes because it’s a fear of mine. And I know the only way for me to do it, is to do that. Plus, it’s a hell of a frickin adrenaline rush. And I’m, that, you know, it’s so striking a general and drunk into that type of thing with overcoming your fears.
You can get addicted to I guess,
David Ralph [9:42]
because I don’t get jumping out of planes run. I really don’t get I have been in many, many flights, and not one time has it not landed. And so I think all these people that just jump out for the fun of it. I just don’t
Ron Fugle [9:56]
get it at all. Or bungee jump. I don’t know when you’re afraid of. Yeah, I can’t stand on my roof. You know, what I’m saying is even worse,
David Ralph [10:03]
why do bad? That’s just lunacy.
Ron Fugle [10:07]
You’re right, it is. But it’s, it’s something that I look back on now. And I’m so glad that I said, Okay, I’m afraid of this. So I’m going to do the craziest freaking thing that I can do. That involves the fear of that. And skydiving was the perfect thing. I’ll go Bungee Jumping now I’ll go, you know, you go to the amusement parks, all the rides, and the kids won’t go on. I’m freaking if I had the money, I’d go on 100 billion times in a row. You know, it’s it’s, you get it after you get that over that fear is no longer there. And then that’s just one less thing holding you back.
David Ralph [10:40]
Mine was marriage. That was the thing that I was frightened of. It took me a while. But once I did it, it was the best thing. And it was the best thing I ever did marrying my missus. And I’m going to say that because she might be listening. So is it important to you to overcome your fears? And do you think that people out there Are we too? Are we too reliant on watching other people transition through their fears? Without doing it ourselves? Do do we live through other people’s journeys more than actually taking control ourselves? Do you think?
Ron Fugle [11:18]
Um, yes, and no, I think we, I want to say that you should learn from other people’s journeys, but you need to live your own journey, you know what I’m saying. And if you can save yourself time, by watching somebody else’s failures and hiccups, or what they did to accomplish something, so you don’t have those same failures, you something’s going to happen, but you’ll at least be beyond that point. You know what I’m saying? So, the reason I got to that point with overcoming fears and stuff like that is just over the years, all the different things that I was looking back on now, like we talked about is now I see it, and I’m not going to let that affect me in the future. By any means. And I made that decision A while back, obviously. But
David Ralph [11:58]
so it was a conscious decision was it wasn’t something that just crept up on you one day, you said things have got to move. Yeah,
Ron Fugle [12:08]
well, I mean, there’s, we all have those life life events and stuff like that, that happen that that spark that, that that movement, I guess I shouldn’t say we all but some of us do. A lot of it does you know and and I’ve been very open about it in my pocket and everything I lost a lot of people in my life and and watching them and their journeys and stuff like that, and looking back on it and reflecting and stuff that all goes into play in the way I live my life now.
David Ralph [12:35]
So So are you somebody that reflects a lot because I’m not I, I always say to the white, there’s absolutely no point in your past. There’s no point in your future is only now and now we’ll make the future and the past it’s gone. So are you somebody that does reflect a lot?
Ron Fugle [12:53]
Now I am, I wasn’t before, I was very focused on the future. I mean, I’ve been the type of person that’s had to years goals, since I was a kid, you know, it to the point where my my own mother made comments about it. She’s like, Why you always you’re always talking about these 10 year old five year goal, and then I’ll break it down from there to 321. And then monthly, you know, and I’ve always had that type of mentality. But now the reflection I’m looking back in seeing what the things and and where I’m at now and the mistakes that I’ve made and other people have made and how that can affect me, then yeah, You’re damn right. But that’s, that’s something that you got to learn over life’s experiences, I guess. And that’s what I want to try to tell people. But it’s like you talk to you’re blue in your face. You know what I’m saying? I’ve got a younger sibling that I’ll start trying to offer advice to not what do what do you get you get? Well, you sound like mom and dad, you know what I’m saying this? So can we can we connect the dots and help people connect the dots, I guess on the way up and save them time and stuff? Yeah, but I think they’re gonna have to learn their own life lessons to that, unfortunately, along the way.
David Ralph [13:53]
Well, that’s what we’re trying to do in this show. And I think that’s what we’re trying to do in many of these shows, just make people aware, as you were saying, We’ve all used sort of self help books, there is a point where you know, too much. And I certainly got to that point as well, when I’d read too many blogs, I’d seen so many storeys of about how other people were living their life. And I was sitting at the same desk every single day doing my work. And I think once you do get to that point, I think it’s, I kind of feel now it’s my duty to make people aware of the opportunities that are available to them by these shows. So even if I haven’t got a chance to do what I did, and read all the blogs, and the websites, and the books, and all that kind of stuff. But you can get the nuts and bolts of what is out there through these conversations through inspiring conversations with people like yourself, who are trying and doing stuff and moving on in their life.
Ron Fugle [14:49]
Yeah, well, that’s a beautiful thing about the day and age now is where we have that technology where we can do that. And you go back and you talk to some of the most successful people and successful business people out there. They’ve always had that kind I have interaction with somebody, I guess, you know, we’ll talk about masterminds, we’ll talk about groups and stuff like that. But they’ve always kind of had that mentor that they went to that gave them the advice and stuff like that. And now we have the ability to save people time and money by being able to broadcast out those life lessons. And those lessons that were reserved to only a select few, unfortunately, over the years, you know,
David Ralph [15:23]
did you have a mentor now your entrepreneurial journey is is taking shape, big time? Is there somebody helping you? Are you in a group, a mastermind group? Or are you just doing it yourself?
Ron Fugle [15:36]
I wish I could say I was doing it myself. But I mean, I’m doing all the work and everything. I mean, I’m doing all that. But I am in a mastermind group. And I will I will say that Michael O’Neill and the soul lab is by far one of the best groups I’ve been in. I’ve joined a lot of programmes and stuff along the way. You know what I’m saying? And I’m no longer with them. And right now, solo lab, I don’t foresee myself getting out. It’s just a really active community of like minded people and the interaction in there and, and everything is something that I aspire to build with fire and adjust here in the future, you know,
David Ralph [16:09]
so so for the listeners out there, listening to you save, and it’s quite a big statement that you’re in this online environment, but you’re supporting and helping you through micro news news. So solo lab, and I hope Honestly, I hope there’s an affiliate scheme for this because we’re giving him all the love in this show. This is this is no,
Ron Fugle [16:26]
I wish there was but you know what, I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna hold back. And I’m the honest truth that networking and reaching out and getting in a group by fire is what got me over that fear of getting outside of my box and doing something I mean, I’ve started a lot of things, but a podcast was what I mean, you know, I’m saying that’s you can’t hold? You can’t, I’m not gonna hide things from people.
David Ralph [16:47]
So are you? Are you in podcasting? Because you went into the solo lab first? Or did you go into podcasting and being joined the solo lab? How did it work for you?
Ron Fugle [16:58]
I am a podcast because of the solo lab. But I think I was always a package. I mean, I was a very addicted to them. And I like I said audiobooks and podcasts were for the last well, five to 10 years of my life, that’s all I ever did was consume that type of information. And once I got into the soul lab, and we’re working out, I’ve got a couple other projects that I’m working on and stuff like that. And and once this came to light and everything, then to me, the only option really was to start it with a podcast and launch it with a podcast. So that came a decision to where I had to overcome a fear. Okay, podcasting was what I wanted to do and how I wanted to bring my word out to the to the audience. But it wasn’t. Initially it would have just been a blog. You know, if it wasn’t for the lab and having other people support me, it would have just been a blog and stuff like that. I don’t know, if I would have got the podcast out there. That’s a good, that’s a good thing to bring up to be honest with you. So So what was the support of them? That got me over that hurdle? Sorry, if I
David Ralph [17:58]
know that’s why no, absolutely. But was there a moment in in the solo lab, where you suddenly when, because I had this, I had the moment when I quit my job. I was going to be a web developer. And I’ve told the storey numerous times, it lasted two days until I thought to myself, I can’t do this. And I just reached for some kind of noise. And I ended up on podcast. And I had this moment when I thought I could do this. I know I could do this. And at that point, my life changed. And I simply just bought, this is the way to connect to an audience, quicker vein you can do by creating a blog or a website, all those things where you have to develop the traffic. Because we have a podcast, you’ve got so many avenues and you blast and it’s word of mouth. And if you do it well, then it’s it’s it’s more of an incremental gains, it becomes a tsunami and it sort of floods in your direction. So was there a moment in the solar lab when you suddenly for? Hmm, I hadn’t thought about this, I don’t really know whether I’m going to be any good. But something seems right. Something’s pulling me towards the microphone.
Ron Fugle [19:04]
I saw the power of podcasting. And I knew that, like for me, whatever I do has to align with me personally and morally, I can’t get behind something if I if I don’t feel comfortable with it. And in to get my word out there just was the quickest way to do it. And, and I’ll be honest with you, I’m not much of a writer, I hate spelling. I can’t, like thank God for spellcheck. But for me to get on the mic, and actually be able to just express my opinions and stuff. Now, mind you, I come from a retail sales background and managing that type of thing. So I’m constantly in front of people talking, I’m constantly engaged, and I’m constantly doing face to face sales. So once I started to take the correlation between that, okay, what I do on a daily basis is talking. Alright, so once I got over the fear of the fact that there’s a microphone and it’s recording them, it was just started to become more natural to me. So was there a moment? Yeah, was a couple of my mentors said to that. I just need to quit being a pansy and do it. You know, and I did. And once I got that first rep in there, it was, you know, we’ll talk about and some of the episodes and stuff. I do demolition derbies. I don’t know if you guys do stuff like that over there. But we’ll take like six to eight cars, and we’ll stick them in this like dirt track, and then we’ll run into each other until the cars die.
David Ralph [20:22]
That’s how we draw it and generally in the United Kingdom.
Ron Fugle [20:28]
And on the wrong side of the road to what the hell yeah, it’s madness.
It makes sense to me. I’ve always will often wonder why. As the driver, I’m on the inside closest to the danger. I always wondered that I never understood over here, you know, it’s just never made sense. But so anyways, we’re getting off subject. I don’t even remember what the hell we’re talking about.
David Ralph [20:49]
But we’re talking about that moment, when you decided that it was going to be your show. You were transitioning us in the solo lab, a couple of your mentors there to stop being a pansy run. Get with it.
Ron Fugle [21:02]
Yeah, because I was trying to put it off. I was trying to come up with excuses as to why I just needed to do a blog and not a podcast or something like that. And, and it was just and I reference back to Stephen Freshfields book there, that part of that as what helped me get over that too. So it was definitely a moment and solo lab of those three things combined that said, Okay, this is this is what I gotta do. And once I like I said, once I hit record, and I put that first episode out there, and I got the respond back, that fear was gone. And that was just no holds barred from there.
David Ralph [21:34]
Did you have a five episodes slump, because I found that the first few episodes, it was all adrenaline. And then the sort of third, fourth, fifth, sixth, I started to ease into it. And when I listened back to like seven and eight, and nine, those kind of ones. I think they’re a bit flat. And I think it was just because I was easing into it. I was away from the fear. But I hadn’t quite found my place. I hadn’t quite realised that it was the passion I put into it, but helps the show move along. And I thought it was the conversation that helped it along. But it’s not, isn’t it? It’s a combination of the two. And did you have that? Did you sort of go fear, fear, fear, or quite like this? Oh, actually, I’ve been come to calm.
Ron Fugle [22:19]
Yes, yeah, no, I did. And then because and I’m a very monotone person. And if I don’t have to constantly monitor myself to pronounce weight and to do to speak up and stuff like that, because it is not natural for me. So I’m still working on that. That’s part of the growing thing with me. You know, and as far as
as far as that goes, I mean,
getting behind the mic and doing what you’re doing. You’re very comfortable with it, David, it’s now you are and I don’t know, maybe your some of your earlier episodes were were difficult, but I went through the stage two. And then I had the double thing to wear. I don’t know if you’re using Lipson or not but Lipson dance went down, right about that same exact time. So I’m getting into that comfortable stage. And I’m starting to second guess myself. And then I see the Lipson stats drop off. And I’m like, Okay, I got like, three downloads today. what’s already a weekend, you know what I’m saying? So it was a I had to do a little recheck,
David Ralph [23:17]
you know, I couldn’t get any downloads at the beginning. It was a dreadful 27 days, I went without a single, not a single download, but hardly any I couldn’t break from 20. And I was releasing episode after episode after episode. And that was my time when I was thinking, hang on, what am I doing wrong here? I’m doing the best I can possibly do. No one’s listening. And Ben, I think I relaxed about that. And I thought, Well, hey, no one listens. I’m just going to enjoy myself and enjoy the conversations that I’m having. And things do find their natural place. Don’t know. And that’s what I want people to understand in these conversations. But yes, we’re talking about things that are perceived as areas of success. Yes, we’ve talked transition from one thing to another. But you go through fear, you go through lack of knowledge, you go through understanding, when you go through it a bit when you actually put yourself out there. And in any role. It’s not just podcasting, it could be any role you’re in, once you put yourself out there, then you start to get a bit Rocky, and when it comes down, and then it gets rocky again. And it just doesn’t change does it? And I think that is the ability to grow. Because you’re assessing yourself constantly about what needs to be done to push yourself on to that next level. Would you agree with that? 100%? Absolutely.
Ron Fugle [24:36]
Absolutely. I also want to say though, too, I think we are both our most worst critic of our own personal stuff, you know what I’m saying? So you might listen back to your stuff and think it was terrible. But 99.9% of the world thinks it’s amazing. You know,
David Ralph [24:52]
I actually like my stuff. I don’t mean that ego. But sometimes I do listen back to my shows too, because I like to get a flavour of the conversation. And certainly the ones I’ve left a long time ago, I listened back to him. And I actually forget, it’s me. And I can’t remember the conversation that much, because I do so many of them. They sort of blow into one. And there’s they’re sort of nuggets of gold, but I remember when I can quote in other episodes, but the actual flavour and the actual flow of the conversations. I don’t remember and certainly sometimes I listen back. And this is really bad to say, I actually laugh at my own jokes. And I don’t even remember in my head ever having those faults. But I must have done because I’ve said to them, and it’s a really weird feeling listening back going. I’ve never never felt that why did I say you bad? that’s never been on my radar at all. So no, I do actually I gave myself a glowing review. Have you given yourself a glowing review on iTunes?
Ron Fugle [25:51]
I have not yet night I might. I might now that you mentioned it to be perfect last whether it could use another review for the people that are listening. So
David Ralph [25:57]
it goes it goes on your name. That’s a bit different me out. I thought it was gonna have some weird name that they couldn’t track me down. But he does. He actually comes out Ron, you go wrong. Google
Ron Fugle [26:07]
doesn’t? Yeah, I’ll still do it. Who cares? I mean, what we’re doing what you’re doing is freaking awesome, man. And there’s no reason why not to give yourself a good review. I mean, why not? What you’re doing what a lot of people want to do, but won’t do because of the fears of getting over it. You know what I’m saying?
David Ralph [26:27]
Dumb? Let’s blow out beautiful view go. That’s what we need to do, don’t we?
Ron Fugle [26:32]
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Now,
David Ralph [26:36]
I’m going to play a speech now. Because I think really this is it now is what we’ve just been talking about. And I don’t know if you you’ve heard this recently, I’ve started playing this on the shows a small one. I’m going to play this and see if you can guess who it is you probably have heard this. But this is so vitally important to what we’re saying. And anyone who’s out there, listen to these words, because they are astonishing.
Unknown Speaker [26:58]
My father could make it comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [27:25]
That gives me shivers every time I listened to it. You know who that is?
Unknown Speaker [27:30]
I do and
Ron Fugle [27:33]
I’m completely drawn a blank on his frickin name right now. And as drawing me The Truman Show guy that
David Ralph [27:38]
is to me, Jim Carrey.
Ron Fugle [27:39]
Yes, Jim Carrey. Thank you, My God, what a time to draw a blank. But ya know that maybe it was because of the impact of his speech. But that is a perfect, you know, and there’s a lot of good ones out there. But that’s that’s one of them.
David Ralph [27:51]
That’s definitely one of the good ones. Yeah, I think that’s going to be one of my favourite ones. Because he’s so true, isn’t it? We go into Jobs, because better a job, and it gets offered to us. Do you want this job? Yeah, okay, I’ll do that. Because I don’t know what else I want to do. And quite often people will on offer us more money, and we will go into other jobs. But if you get down to the nuts and bolts of it, do we actually want to do these jobs? No, not really. That’s not what our dreams are. And so I love that. But he says, you know, we’ve only got one life. And if we don’t do what we want to do and what we love doing, then we’re ultimately going to fail anyway, we might have all the money in the bank. But we’re not being true to ourselves. And I think that’s so important for everyone to realise that. We’re only here once unless somebody tells me otherwise. We’re only here once and So wouldn’t it be dreadful if at the end of your life, you think? Yeah, it’s 60 years in a job, but I didn’t like the people sitting next to me. I didn’t like the job just because it was a job.
Ron Fugle [28:48]
Yeah, yeah. No, that is a that is one of my biggest fear, sir. I don’t. And that again, comes from looking back and learning from other people’s lessons life lessons and watching them go through that experience. You know, we’re definitely doing things backwards, I think. And maybe not necessarily backwards, but we’re just, we we lost our past somewhere and why we do things and stuff because that’s what I did. My my whole life is I work for a paycheck. You know, and you get into this, this this trap type situation where you know that they pay it just enough not to leave. You don’t I’m saying? Yeah, but you really can’t. Yeah. And then what I mean by that is, is for you to go and transition into a different job or different career or something like that. It painful enough for you financially to not want to take that step. You know, so they kind of lock you into a position and then you feel trapped like what do you do you all you need to make the sacrifices to be perfectly honest. Where there’s somebody says out there live like nobody else today, so you can live like nobody else tomorrow. Which is that’s Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
David Ralph [29:53]
So when you was in the military, what what made you leave the military if you don’t mind me asking because I’ve heard you on Monday podcasts and you loved it, didn’t you? You loved being a tank member crewman. I was listening to one of your shows. And I do apologise, I can’t remember which one it was. And he was talking about the the force, and the sort of hot air and everything when you shoot a cannon from a tank inside, and the power that hits you. And as she was talking beforehand, you be honest, your voice was quite monotone. But then you started get excited. And you could hear it in your voice, but you loved following tanks. So what was it about it that you loved? And why did you leave,
Ron Fugle [30:36]
I left, I had to leave, I was medically discharged, I screwed my shoulders up. So I didn’t really have a choice. And you got to think of the military as a business too. And if you get injured or something like that, and they don’t want to keep you around, they don’t want to take chances of more injuries occurring. And then there’s more money involved matters. I mean, that’s so there’s a lot of different things involved. But anyways, I was transitioned out for him and a medical discharge short of my, my four year to, and I was married at the time, so it was difficult being in but I think if the circumstances were difficult or different, I would have been a 20 year guy all the way. As far as what I liked and loved about being a tanker. It’s just it’s cool, man. I am big. And like I said that adrenaline rush thing and stuff like that I actually joined the military to be an airborne infantry Ranger, so or not Ranger, but airborne infantry. Ranger was something I aspired to be. Never happened again with my injuries and stuff. But so but when you when you shoot a tank, and and and it goes off the percussion inside, there is just so extreme as just the amount of power and stuff really makes you think about really just, there’s so many things out there that can take you out in the second. It just makes you look at things a little bit different. And then I got to drive around in a big steel tank and blow things up. I mean, what kind of guy doesn’t like that? You know what I’m saying? I mean, not my kind of guy anyways.
David Ralph [31:57]
We also have tank member crewman in a How many of you are better? There’s 345? How many for this for four? And did you ever have situations that you didn’t like the people you was with? Or does that not come into play because it must be pretty contained being in the tank.
Ron Fugle [32:15]
It comes into play, but it’s not. I’ll be honest with you, there was maybe one or two people in my unit that I didn’t I wasn’t 100% fond of, but when they you know what hits the fan, it doesn’t matter, man, you know, so it that goes out the window. But thankfully, the tank crew members that I was with, I didn’t know all those guys. I mean, they were becoming your family, you know, become your brothers. I spent more time with those guys. And then I did my wife at the time, you know. So thankfully, I was in a good a good unit to where I didn’t have those issues. But yet I can imagine how it can get that way. You know, but we’re all there to do a job. We’ve all been trained not to, you know, you gotta you gotta respect your authority, you go through the chain of command. I mean, there’s just they do their to do a very good job at keeping that part of it out as much as possible. At least I did when I was in.
David Ralph [33:08]
Did you ever have an argument and be honest with me one? Did you have ever have an argument in the shower locker room? Because every film I’ve ever seen, they’re always having an argument off the tagging themselves down What a load of naked men are bouncing around behind them with dangly bits. Did you ever have? Did you ever have an argument?
Ron Fugle [33:29]
I think that was their point on how to figure out how to get more female demographic. I know, there was I mean, you can’t take in stick that many type A personality people in one room and expect not to have conflicts, you know what I’m saying? And then, and then what we’re doing and what we’re trying, I mean, everything’s there to teach us to be strong and invincible and overcome obstacles and stuff like that. So yeah, I mean, there’s there’s issues, but it’s nothing crazy. It’s nothing knockout drag out. I mean, there was some silly things and stuff like that. But, you know, I didn’t get into than any of those. Thankfully, well, I mean, there was a couple issues, but it’s nothing, nothing naked in the shower. Nothing like that man. But, you know, you stick a bunch of boys that are they’re pretty much high school kids coming out of high school into that situation. They’re all that type A personality. I mean, you’re going to have boys being boys, you’re going to have people being that type of people, you know what I’m saying the academy? And why would you want to not foster that in that environment to?
David Ralph [34:25]
Well, you know, in all seriousness, what you’re saying is the classic peer group, isn’t it? We say to everyone on the show, have you surround yourself with people who are like minded, who are your support network, and I suppose in the military, that’s Boston, you isn’t it, but you’ve got people that you would wish your life to support, because that’s what’s expected of you. And you may not like them, but you can be inspired by the actions they’re willing to take on your behalf. And so you grow to match that as well. And that’s something that is so important for anyone who’s trying to become successful in life by looking at the people around them and trying to match or improve upon what they’re doing. Did you find that? Yeah.
Ron Fugle [35:10]
Yeah. And I didn’t realise it then. But I do now by all means, and and when you look back at it to now with it all volunteer military, you know, I’m saying it’s not like people were forced into it or anything. These are all people that have that desire, that passion that to serve to help people to protect, you know what I’m saying? So they’re all I mean, I’m biassed, yes. Because I’m a veteran. I’m an ex military and stuff. But when I hired him for your people, when I was part of my job and stuff like that, and people would come in with a resumes and stuff like that, and I saw that they were a veteran, and maybe I was slightly biassed again, but it’s just a lot of the report issue was already done and out of the way, you know, the interview either went different, you know, I’m saying it was just that trust, that integrity, the you know, you live your life, honour, integrity, selfless service, personal Kurt, you know, what I’m saying you live your life by those values, those things are instilled into you. So it’s like almost a lot of the basic morality questions are, are out of the way and gone already. You know, and now I realise that the military really is just the one of the biggest mastermind groups that there is, it’s just, we haven’t learned to take advantage of the technology that we have these days. And it’s just getting into that in that area, I think.
David Ralph [36:22]
And so I’m going to play Steve Jobs in a moment, because that’s, you know, the reason of the show. But when you look back and you join up your dots, did it all start from the military? Or can you see your pop starting even earlier than that?
Ron Fugle [36:37]
Long, long before that? Yeah, I mean, my path started, I think, but my parents owned businesses. Now, I came from an entrepreneur background. And I saw that and I think I had that bug an itch in me, since I was born. I don’t think that there’s, you know, I stood and I’m looking for positions and stuff up, right. Um, but I stood in front of my desk one day, and I was talking to my secretary and I, my arms across now staring out the window. And she says, What are you thinking? And I just looked at her and I said, Man, I said, I just don’t think that I can do this anymore. I don’t think that I can physically take myself to work every day, to make somebody else a buck. And be forced to do things that I didn’t feel were morally proper, you know what I’m saying? So, that was a. So there’s a long, there’s so many dots along my way, man, I can talk we could talk for another 15 episodes, I’m sure.
David Ralph [37:36]
Well, we will do let’s just make this the Ron and David show. How about that. And we There we go. Hello, Join Up, Dots up, where were pointed tank at it and blow it up. But I’m going to pick on Steve Jobs here because it is the powerhouse statement of the show. No, I’m not even gonna link leading up to it, I’m just going to play it and then we’re gonna ask you about it afterwards. This is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [37:57]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [38:32]
So once you pick those words are so loved by so many people run,
Ron Fugle [38:36]
because it gives people hope gives people you know, the to know that you can’t just do something for you know what I’m saying? It just it’s hope it’s dreaming. It’s that to me, that’s what it means. You know, I’m saying to me, that gives hope. But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe that’s not what you’re going for, you know what I’m saying? But, you know, do I play it again, for me, give me another take care plan
David Ralph [39:01]
again, first time ever. This is Steve Jobs again.
Steve Jobs [39:03]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [39:38]
Second helpings of Mr. Jobs?
Ron Fugle [39:40]
Well, no, you know, what it is, is I get so lost up in the words that it just takes me off into my own little world. And, and I wish that he would have been around when I was a kid to be perfectly honest with you, because somebody would have played that to me. When I was a when I was a teenager even before that, you know, maybe it would have changed my path. And the way that I I took on the things and decisions that I made in my younger years.
David Ralph [40:04]
Why did Why do you say that? Because as a young man, do you think you would have actually listened? Because I generally don’t know I would have done? No, I knew everything back then.
Ron Fugle [40:15]
I thought, honestly, you know, and it sucks. Because I think a lot of kids have that mentality. They think they know everything. They think their parents are silly. They think that, you know, the people that have grey hair have no idea what they’re talking about. And they’re so far disconnected from their world that they couldn’t relate anything. And that’s, that could be the furthest thing from the truth. And I think that’s the saddest thing for me is, is watching people, younger people turn down the advice from people who’ve been there already. Because of that, and there’s knowing that the only thing that’s going to save that person is going through the Hard Knocks, like like I had to and learning the hard way on their own. So what I have taken that advice, probably not. Do I look back now and what I’ve been through and hear that and say, Man, I should have freakin taken as advice. Yeah,
David Ralph [41:04]
yeah, by all means. I listened to that every day. And I agree with you totally. Sometimes I’m really on it. And other times, it just sort of floats away from me. But I think you nailed it. Right, the very beginning, when we played it the first time is hope. I think that’s what it is. And I think that’s the power of this show as well. And this is what people have been saying to me, when they listen to it, they actually feel that anything’s possible because they’re hearing these conversations from people that are overcoming their challenges. They’re being driven forward, but they haven’t got a clearly defined path of where they’re going. And that’s the beauty of Join Up Dots is the ability to be able to make the mistakes, bounce into walls, hit closed doors, but then every now and again, find this clear piece of land, but you can run across and make progress in your life. But you’re not going to get that that land that that run that clear sprint, unless you do try different things. And you can have a lot of failures, aren’t you?
Ron Fugle [42:01]
Yeah, yeah. And now that I’m sitting here listening to you talk and listen to you explain it. Now. Do you think that a lot of people that have early success, okay, the ones that have the instant success, a young age, you know, young 20s, and their multi million dollar businesses and stuff? Do you think that they just knew better and listened to the people that were trying to talk to him?
David Ralph [42:20]
I don’t think they might have been, I don’t actually think that anyone has instant success. I think even go back to like 15 year olds, I’ve got a chap coming on the show now, who is an entrepreneur beyond anything, and he’s 15 years old, and go back, and he actually started his first company at four. So you kind of think now Hang on, what can you do wrong before four? But I bet he did. And I bet he did things that he wasn’t proud of, or whatever you know, is, everything has a starting point. And when you look at sort of, if
Ron Fugle [42:53]
he’s, if he’s 14 years old, though, is looking back on his life since he was four and connecting those dots and learning along his those lessons already. At that point, then where’s he going to be in 20 years from now? Yeah, absolutely. Well, already, he’s already made. He’s already made that connexion. Man, that’s what I’m saying. That’s what frustrates me is it takes it took me a lot of years to make that connexion. I’m not sure how long it took you, you know, but for me to hear you talking about somebody that’s 14 that now that’s somebody to watch, you know,
David Ralph [43:20]
I made my move when I was 44. I think mentally, I made my move when I was 16, I think at the age of 16. I knew but my life wasn’t going to be what I was getting. And it took me between 16 and 44, to actually do something about it. And I can join up my dots, I can see the transition, I can see the moments when I said enough is enough. I’m not going to do this anymore. But I didn’t know what I wanted to do or what I had the opportunity to do. It was when I exactly the same as you was listening to Michael O’Neill. And he said those words, there comes a time when you know too much. I suddenly realised like you as well, that’s my moment. bad is it? I would have that tattooed on my arm. Because when you do realise that actually, I can’t be an employee anymore. I can’t work with somebody, I need to take control of my life. Once you actually start taking control and building your own reality, you do suddenly thing? What hell did I do this earlier? This isn’t as scary as I made out. This isn’t everything that I was saying was scary was just an excuse. And you can go into it. And because you’ve got that ability to take the momentum and grab hold of any opportunities, and network and hustle. You know, I’m having a conversation with you, Ron, I wouldn’t have done this a year ago, it wouldn’t wouldn’t be any, you know, it wouldn’t been on my radar. But I could actually do this, and not build a life around it. But it’s only when you do take that last leap of faith. And you start building your parachute so that you don’t plummet to death. You actually look around and go, it’s pretty good view this. I quite like this. I think I want to be younger, a bit longer.
Ron Fugle [45:02]
Yeah, yeah. That’s an awesome analogy. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And it’s. But now think about that you were said you were 16. And you’re 44 or something like that now, all those years, right now, as all I want to do, and I’m sure that’s probably something to do is help save somebody that time, in their journey in those heartaches and everything and help shorten their time frame. You know, that’s that’s what I aspire to do with fire and adjust, you know, time is by far, I think our most valuable currency.
David Ralph [45:33]
Well, you, you only you are doing that with Bob and adjusting as you say, time is our currency. But I do think people can’t leap until they’re ready. I really think that, you know, you might get somebody who’s 80. And that’s his moment to do it, you might get somebody who’s 20. I think they’re just comes a time when you know, but you haven’t got any more options. So what you’re doing is amazing. And we’re going to touch on that now. Because you’re firing adjust popular. You are having hugely emotional, deep conversation with not just veterans, but with people from all walks of life. And do you actually feel when you’re having these conversations that 20 years ago, you could have done that? Because I don’t I couldn’t do that now. You know, I look at it. And it’s only because I’ve got the life experience. I’ve got the knocks, I’ve got the grazed knees from falling over and all those kind of things. But I can talk to people on a level playing field. I don’t think I could have done 20 years ago. So when you’re having your conversations in five and adjust, do you actually think Yeah, I’m at the right place now to be able to bring this off?
Ron Fugle [46:39]
Sometimes No, but yes, yeah. I mean, it’s definitely was a concern of mine in the beginning, you know what I’m saying? It was a concern of that imposter syndrome, and who am I to talk to these people and, and everything. But yes, by far now that I look back at everything, and after talking with people and realising that they’re no different than you, and I, you know, what I’m saying it’s just, they did something different along the lines. And that’s what I want to highlight. So now I’m very comfortable talking to, you know, for instance, if I have somebody that’s on the item, multimillion dollar business, before, I would have been scared off my, you know, what, even remotely think that I was going to have an interview with that person where I was interviewing him and putting it out on the air. Are you kidding me? No way.
David Ralph [47:20]
What would have been scary about that. So as you know, we always talk about Richard Branson, because everybody admires Richard Branson, there’s no getting away from that. So it Branson was in the room, and he was sitting with you, what would be the scary thing for you?
Ron Fugle [47:35]
sounding like a complete babbling fool. You know, I was just worried that I would make a wouldn’t, I wouldn’t be up to par with them intellectually, and, and Bill be of any interest to them. And last thing, I would want to do it for somebody, you know what I’m saying that so all those things, there’s a lot of things that go into play, when you’re when you start thinking about the psychological aspects of, of sitting there and interviewing somebody that you look up to or you admire, you know, maybe seems to be a lot more successful than you. But when you sit back and you think about it there, and, again, Michael Nielsen, they’re just at a different point on their timeline, as all, you know, they might be 510 years down the road, where 510 years ago, they were sitting in the same exact damn chair, you are, excuse my language, and they want the same things. But you know that there’s a correlation there there. Nobody, nobody, we’re all the same. And to be perfectly honest with you, everybody that I’ve talked to that I thought was going to be are just amazing, amazing people, they’re so helpful, and they just are supportive. And everything you do, you just have to have the confidence to go out there and national.
David Ralph [48:38]
So on that timeline, I know what you’re talking about. On that timeline, he said a phrase. And I remember listening to it and thinking, this is brilliant. And it was basically there is no bad. You’re just at a different level. So if you’re looking at your drama, and you’re basing your skills on Phil Collins, for example, you would say, yeah, I’m not as good as him. But actually, you think, well, he was at my level at this stage I am. It’s just that he’s been drumming for longer. And that’s we’ve everything, isn’t it. So when you look at things, there are some people that are naturally talented, you know, I couldn’t be Lionel Messi, no matter how much I drive. But there’s a lot that you can do. And just because somebody is better at you at that time, it doesn’t mean that you can’t get better than them. They’re just on a different timeline.
Ron Fugle [49:27]
We all had our diapers changed at some point, you know what I’m saying? We’re all the same. We’re all the same exact people. There’s just, and that’s why I was asking that kid that’s 14 that’s doing things like this already. You know, what was the people that are saying? What is Steve Jobs? Look, that’s look like, you know what I’m saying? That type of thing. It’s, it’s, it’s no different. You know, it’s just the outcome, the dreams that drive and what you’re willing to put yourself out there for and go after?
David Ralph [49:54]
Well, just before I put you on the mic, and we send you back in time to have a one on one with yourself. What hope from five and adjust podcast? Is it? Is it going to be a global brand? Or is it going to push you up into different areas? Are you using it as a springboard for other things? Or is it the content itself, which is the most important thing for you?
Ron Fugle [50:15]
I think fire and adjust is going to grow to be something that I don’t even really can’t envision at this point. You know what I’m saying I have big dreams for it. And it’s going to go into probably many different directions. But I mean, right now, just building a network and inspiring people is really my main focus. And if that’s all it ever is, is just an interview show where I get on people and I help people get over their fears and take action with their lives, then I’ll be a happy camper with that, you know, but I would love to build an active Facebook community or an active group, or something like that, where I can actually start to interact and work with people on help motivate them to you know, and it’s just something that I dream to do, and I enjoy doing. And to build a just talk with people one on one like you are right now. Okay. And just let people vent and talk about what they think. I mean, there’s a lot of different aspects that could come out. So we’ll see, man, that sky’s the limit for fighter and adjusters are going to go away and never know, it’ll be here. One way shape or form brother one way and not going anywhere.
David Ralph [51:13]
Now I know it will run because fire and adjust is something that is amazing. And but people out there who aren’t aware of the show, it has been a roller coaster is absolutely flown. Is there one thing that you have done, but you look back on it and go yes, I set myself up for success because I did bad. And if somebody is listening now who’s getting inspired to create their own show? Can you give them one nugget of advice, but you would do again and again. And again, if you had the chance,
Ron Fugle [51:43]
as painful as it was, and it goes against everything I say is you got to make sure you have your branding, right? You know what I’m saying? So and but you can’t spend all day long on it either. You can’t not start your project because you’re trying to get things perfect. So the whole point of fire and adjust is take action and fix it along the way. But you got to make sure that your leaf pointed in the right direction. You know, try to get your branding and some of the basic things right, you know, in the beginning, and it’ll make the whole process go a lot easier. And as far as what else you can do, just like I said, Man, just take the action, just get out there and do it. Get something recorded. Get it out there, get some advice now. And there’s a lot of people that go well, I don’t want to lose the new and noteworthy year and stuff like that, you know what, then get a mic, start recording an interview. And just get the practice out there. And you don’t necessarily have to release those interviews. You know what I’m saying? I encourage you to do it, because that’s going to take people along your journey. You know what I’m saying? That’s why I never not internet introduced the first episode of fire and adjust with Chris, Chris, Chris or own because I wasn’t gonna you know what? hide that from you guys. It was still good content. I sounded rough. I sounded sketchy. Chris was cool already, because he’s doing a podcast and stuff but so you just got to take action, get over your fears and do it. You know? It all it’s all gonna it, whatever. What’s going to happen is going to happen. You know what I’m saying? If you if you put it out there and nobody listens and tanks, you know what I’m saying? Then? Who cares? nobody listened anyways, who’s going to know you? You know what I’m saying? Then adjust it. Figure it out. What was it? That wasn’t right, what didn’t work for you? And try something different? I’ve got a I’ve got a closet full of businesses that didn’t go anywhere.
David Ralph [53:26]
Yeah, he’s a brilliant words of advice for that. Because, yeah, what you’re saying, but everybody out there is don’t be frightened and starting something. Because it can be ugly. It can be rubbish. because no one’s going to be looking anyway, it’s your opportunity to make something that you’re proud of while everyone else is, is paying attention. I’m looking elsewhere, isn’t it?
Ron Fugle [53:51]
Yes, yeah, it’ll get you the time to overcome those fears. And I mean, even if you do get 20 lessons, you know, half of them are going to be your family and friends anyways. And it’s just opportunity to to get better to make it happen, man. I don’t think I’ve ever done something that I was fearful from for look back and said you know what, that you know, that just I’ll never do that again. I guess there is some things but now jumping out of planes like I said, joining the military I was scared the hell when I joined I was a freakin kid. I walked into the recruiters office said I want to be on here before the snow flies. You don’t think I had fears with that? Those things add up over the years and you look back at them. And that’s that, to me, is what it’s all about. That’s why I stress St. Stephen Freshfields book so much overcoming your fears, because I think everything kind of at one point or another refers back to it’s a fear of something that you have financial fear or financial failure or fear of putting yourself out there fear of something that’s holding you back one way, shape form or another, you know, whether it translates into monetization or not, you know what I’m saying something that inside of you, you need to say, Okay, I’m doing it and go. And sorry to ramble there, but I could have, I could probably have gone on for another 10 minutes just ranting about it. But yeah,
David Ralph [55:03]
no, I love the vines. I rent all the time. And I do this crazy thing that I know I’m doing it. But I start asking a question. And then I rent rent, rent, rent rent, and then I think or better throw in a question at the end. And so I do, and so I had to shoot rambling?
Ron Fugle [55:21]
Yep. Yep, I’m the same way. And you know what it used to, I used to try to edit some of that rambling out of the middle of the questions and stuff like that. And I stopped doing that, because there’s a lot of great content in there. You know, it’s, you’re struggling to find your words, and you’re struggling to find your words, because you have a lot to say. I think when people when you hear people go off, I’m like that. So to me, it’s cool. You’re, you’re on the edge of getting some really good information that points like that when you’re having a conversation.
David Ralph [55:49]
Absolutely. Finding a true path. And you’re vocalising it bang out to the world. That’s what it’s all about. Right? And I’ll tell you what else it’s all about. This is the part of the time when we put you on the mic. This is a sermon in a minute when we send you back in time, Ron, to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time, what age Ron would you speak to? Would it be a five year old would it be the chap just about to go into the army, the one coming out of the army, whatever it is, this is your chance to get them the words of advice. This is the Sermon on the mic
with the best of the show the Sermon on the Mount.
Ron Fugle [56:44]
Alright, I am going to talk to I’m going to talk to Ryan that’s getting out of the military. Now that I think about it, so Amen. You know, you looking back on your life right now. And you’re thinking of the things that you have accomplished and whatnot, and where you’re going to go and there’s a lot of doors that are going to open for you in the future. And just don’t let them close on you, and go through them. And don’t let fear hold you back. Just frickin take the opportunities that come up because you never know what’s going to happen. And if you start to create businesses, and they become across different obstacles and stuff, whether they be financial or other reasons. Personally, don’t let those things stop you, man you need to drive on and go for it. And you know, you can do it. So quit being a pansy and do it.
David Ralph [57:28]
That’s what I would say to myself. Stop being a pansy. I like that. Right, Ron? It’s the end of the show. I hate to say this. So how can people connect with you who are listening here and they want to know more about five and adjust and all the amazing things you’re getting up to
Ron Fugle [57:46]
add fire not just calm is the central headquarters for everything firing a Josh man so they can go to firing, adjust calm. And if they want firing, adjust calm slash contact will take them to then give me an email, Facebook, Google Plus Twitter. I mean everywhere from there.
David Ralph [58:00]
Okay, we will put those links all on the show notes. And Ron, thank you so much for spending time with us today joining up those dots. It’s been as much at the light on this show as it was being on your show. And that’s all down to you. So please come back again, when you have more dots to join up as I believe that by joining those dots, and connecting our pasts is the best way to build our futures one futile. Thank you so much.
Ron Fugle [58:24]
No, thank you, sir. I appreciate it. And I think what you’re doing great, you’re exactly right man and all about those chats.
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