Dan Franks Joins Us On The Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast
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Introducing Dan Franks
Dan Franks is todays guest joining us on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots podcast interview.
He is a man who is taking huge action, as he is one of the co-founders of the Podcast Movement.
A huge conference bringing together the movers and shakers of the podcasting world.
The legends behind the mic’s.
The names you see scattered across iTunes.
Commencing on the 16th August in Dallas Texas, the size of this thing must have been a hell of an undertaking.
Especially for someone who it seems to me has built up the bulk of his career in the work of Tax returns and balance sheets.
How The Dots Started Joining Up For Dan
But as Dan says “I am a lifetime serial entrepreneur, and have always been a self starter.
I like nothing more than taking the proverbial bull by the horns.”
And this passion for the startup, has helped him develop great relationships with clients.
Which allow them to focus in on the value side of the business and leave..
Let’s face it the boring side of the business with our guest.
That is a partnership made in heaven I would have thought.
So how did Dan Franks get together with Jared Easley his co-partner of the Podcast Movement?
Does he actually find doing tax returns interesting?
And even if he says he does I won’t believe him!
Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up the dots of his life with the one and only Mr Dan Franks.
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Dan Franks such as:
How he started the Podcast Movement with a crowd funding scheme to test the waters, and how amazing the response was (and unexpectedly so)!
How as a small boy he was a passionate fan of WWF and thought that this was the path that he would be going into…and in a funny way it was!
How Dan Franks believe that the best way for success is to look for the holes in the market, and then simply fill them!
How he would consider himself as fearless and believes that living on the edge is the place to be!
How he managed to get the top guys and gals in the Podcast environment to present at his conference even when there wasn’t a conference truly arranged yet!
How To Connect With Dan Franks
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Audio Transcription Of Dan Franks Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes, hello, everybody. How are we? Oh, it is Episode 99. Can you believe it is almost the big 100. And we have got a bell to have a show tomorrow, we have got no I’m not going to tell you, I’m just gonna let it happen. Because, hey, we’ve dealt with the show as well. And if you’re having sleepless nights waiting for the hundred, this guy had to sleep this night last night because he’s wife wasn’t well, which we will touch on that in the show. But let’s give you a big build up to him. He’s a man who is taking huge action, as he is one of the co founders of the podcast move 2014. Now this is a huge conference bringing together the movers and shakers of the podcasting world. But legends behind the mics, the names you see scattered across iTunes, and I’m not going to be there. In fact, I wasn’t even asked to be there. But we’ll touch on that later. Commencing on the 16th of August in Dallas, Texas, the size of this thing must have been a hell of an undertaking, especially for someone who it seems to me has built up the bulk of his career in the work of tax returns and balance sheets. But as he says, I’m a lifetime serial entrepreneur. And I’ve always been a self starter, but takes the proverbial bull by the horns. And his passion for the startup has helped him develop great relationships with clients, which allow them to focus in on the value side of the business and leave. Let’s face it the boring side of the business without guests. That is a partnership made in heaven, I would have thought. So how did he get together with Jared Easley his co partner of the podcast movement? And does he actually find doing tax returns? Interesting. And even if he says he does, I don’t think I will believe him? Well, let’s find out as we bring on to the show to start joining up the dots of his life. The one and only Mr. Dan Frank, how are you today? Dan?
Dan Franks [2:06]
David, I have no I have no idea how to follow up any of that. So I’ll just say thank you for having me on. That was awesome, and almost made it to 100. David almost. But I look forward to seeing what’s coming tomorrow. So
David Ralph [2:18]
you were touching you were touching the hundred. And if anyone who has been with the show, I’ll give you a little clue. Anyone who’s been with the show and has heard me talking about my inspirations. We’ve got somebody who is the inspiration tomorrow and you will see so at one minute past 12 it’ll be live and you will hear the conversation that I have been building up to. So it is a biggie. But you’re a biggie as well because you are a mover and shaker Aren’t you but potentially not as much as a mover and shaker as your wife was last night because she wasn’t well.
Dan Franks [2:52]
Yeah, that’s that’s true. She got a hold I think of a bad piece of sushi. So you and I talked before we came on the air about maybe your raw fish not being the good thing you may be not thinking that anything uncooked is edible. I’m a big sushi fan. But I think maybe we won’t be going on any dates for sushi for a while after this. I don’t
David Ralph [3:11]
get the fact that people will eat something that’s not cooked. That’s that’s just lunacy, isn’t it?
Dan Franks [3:17]
Well, I’ve heard people interviewed before Who will you rock, chicken, everything that he does raw, they want you to think cooked. And to me that’s lunacy. But fish, it seems like I’ve been okay with.
David Ralph [3:26]
I had food poisoning from Kentucky Fried Chicken ones. And that’s the only time ever and I was so ill. And it’s when my kids were very little. So I was trying to support a family and make sure that they were all right. And in the end, I sort of went up the back of the garden and passed out under the swing and I found me laying on the garden sort of fast asleep at the back. And I know what your wife is going through because it is truly truly horrendous. But still, you probably wouldn’t get it if you cook the food.
Dan Franks [3:55]
That’s true. So So tell me Is this the same garden that I’m talking to you from now? Or is this a different garden?
David Ralph [4:00]
This is the same garden and actually if I look outside my recording studio now at the window, I can actually see the the point of my demise the there’s actually kind of a chalk figure drawing on the lawn where I live right right. Oh passed out and sweaty and stuff but no, it’s it’s terrible. Because you’re actually in Dallas, Texas, aren’t you?
Dan Franks [4:20]
Dallas, Texas. That’s right. So it’s it’s nice and warm. And that you know, oftentimes I think that that sushi, maybe if it sits outside just a little too long or sits not in the right air conditioned place here. You know we are 100 degree temperatures, hundred degrees Fahrenheit. So depending on where you’re listening, but it could very easily make something that would once have been good, a little sour, if you will.
David Ralph [4:43]
I’ve actually got a storey and I’m deliberating whether to tell this because people might be having breakfast, but hey, if you don’t like it, you can always email me. But I was I was violently ill in Dallas one and I was actually violently ill in South Fork. Ron’s, you know, the tourist attraction for the old data programme.
Dan Franks [5:01]
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
David Ralph [5:02]
I got engaged. I was on the road trip with my mates. And I was driving across America. And I’d already had kids by that stage. And so I hadn’t been on a boys trip for many, many years. And my mate was just about to get engaged. And he said, Come on, come on. Let’s do a last trip. Let’s do a last trip. I said, I can’t I can’t. I’ve got kids. I’ve you know, I’ve got potentially a wife. She’s not I’m not married her but I can’t. And it built up built up built up so much. But I started thinking are quite fancy. This really, I wouldn’t mind getting away. And then when the I’m the wife now my ex girlfriend said go on just go. It’s only two weeks, I thought brilliant. I’m gonna go. And for the first three or four days, it was marvellous. And Ben, I started to really sort of miss it big time. And I’ve been with the with my wife at like 13 years and I’ve never proposed to her because it just wasn’t important to me. And I was in was I was in Amarillo funnily enough. And I found her up early in the morning and I said to her are so miss you I should have not come out of here, you know, oh, you know why? Why have I done this? And she said, How much do you miss me? And I went, Oh, I miss you terribly. And she said, Well, marry me Ben. And she actually asked me and I went okay, a will and I kind of thought in my head. I can you get married. It takes five years to plan it all. And this was November the 27th. And on January the 27th. Two months later, I was standing there getting married, she just ran around like a lunatic trying to set it all up. But long storey short that evening, I went out and I drank heavily in this bomb in Amarillo. Got up the next morning and we had to go into Dallas and we got to Dallas and my mates. I told you You look so green, you get to go out and have hair with a dog and drink again. And I thought to myself, Okay, that sounds sensible. So I will do this. So anyhow, I drank again. And the next morning we had a trip to South fort moms and I woke up with like a two day hangover, which I’ve never experienced. If anybody has a hangover, I would advise you just to let it go and his hair of the dog business doesn’t work. It just means that you feel ill for two days running. And I was in Southport ranch walking past Miss Ellie’s bathroom when suddenly my body wasn’t my own anymore. And I had to leap over this this kind of red rope that they they mask it off with and actually pro up in her toilet. That is not good. Is it?
Dan Franks [7:21]
Wow, that is that’s quite the storey David your you tried to live the Rockstar lifestyle for two days in a row and it just was not
David Ralph [7:28]
was not agreeing with you. I’m not a rock star in any shape or form. No I I try to stick with the alcohol but I can consume now. And that’s one or two. As we have in England shanties. I don’t know if you have shanties over there. Do you
Dan Franks [7:41]
know what’s the Shandy
David Ralph [7:42]
Shandy is brilliant is the greatest drink ever. It’s about half beer and the rest lemonade. And we have a lot over here.
Dan Franks [7:50]
So you can drink a little more without feeling the effects.
David Ralph [7:53]
It’s the most refreshing drink you can possibly have on a hot day. You’ll sit out there and you’re taking a shanty. And you are Why didn’t I have this before? So then I want you to do that before we get on to the podcast. I want you to write it down in your notebook. But you’re going to have a Shandy and you are going to preach to the world. The beauty of the Shandy
Dan Franks [8:12]
writing it down now what kind of beer goes into a shanty? David
David Ralph [8:15]
doesn’t really matter. It’s cheapest possible because most of its emanate anyway. Alright, so you just froze him down a little bit of Samuel Adams or whatever it is you have over there, lemonade, and you will be in heaven. I will report back to you, David. Good. That’s what we want. So let’s get on with the show because you are a mover and shaker when when your name came across to me to be on the show. I thought yeah, I’ve heard this name wherever I heard his name. And once I started investigating the podcast movement I hadn’t been invited to how did you get involved in that? And has it been a bigger undertaking when it seems to me because it seems to me huge when I looked at the names of the people on there, the conference, the just the sort of the the breadth, it hasn’t been a real big task to undertake.
Dan Franks [9:03]
It has been a big task. You know, it really started here in Dallas, which is where the conference will be. And one of the other co founders you mentioned Jared easily but one of the other co founders is Gary Leland. And he’s been in the podcasting industry since 2004. So he’s always had his hand in it somehow. And he was organising a little small annual conference here in Dallas of, you know, 30, local podcasters that would get together and just kind of do presentations to one another. And we he and I knew each other through that. And then at New Media Expo this past year, we met up with Jared easily. And we all kind of looked around and thought, wow, this, this whole New Media Expo thing, this gathering of bloggers and podcasters and Web TV producers and all these thousands of people, it’s really cool. But it’s just partly for podcasters. It’s not all for podcasters. Why can’t we do something that’s like what Gary was doing locally that was just for podcasters. But at a much larger national or international scale? And put something like that together? Because there was nothing like that that existed. So we looked around and nobody else is doing it. So why should Why shouldn’t we try it? So that’s, that’s where the idea came from. And when we first started, we had very small ideas it was, you know, can we get 200 people and maybe a day worth of speakers and, and just put something almost bare bones together for the first year. And if it works out, then maybe we can grow from there. But we did a crowdfunding campaign through Kickstarter to really vet the idea of this conference. And we put our goal at whatever our cost would be to run the small little bare bones conference $10,000. And we figured if we can get $10,000 through a Kickstarter campaign, we can afford to put together this small little conference. And within less than 24 hours, we had far surpassed that goal, we ended up tripling that $10,000 number that we initially set out for through Kickstarter. And since then that has kind of grown out of control. It’s this monster that, you know, almost like Frankenstein, we expected one thing and it’s another but it’s it’s all the all the growth has been the better. So is the undertaking much larger than we thought it would be? Yes. But I think that’s only a good problem to have really
David Ralph [11:07]
didn’t really take you by surprise, because it seems to me when I when I look at it, I think to myself, Why wasn’t this before? Why wasn’t somebody else doing this? You know, why? Why was New Media Expo kind of covering all areas. And the podcasting, which really seems to me, and it might just be because I’m in it now. But it seems to be a growth industry that is really accelerating big time. Why do you think that people hadn’t hadn’t done something like this before?
Dan Franks [11:34]
Yeah, yeah, I have no idea because talking about the blogging, and that was another aspect of New Media Expo. But blogging has its own conferences all over the world, you have, you know, niche bloggers, you know, so you have the financial bloggers conference that’s run by a friend of mine. That’s in New Orleans this year. And you have the travel bloggers conference. So there’s all these other blogging conferences, in addition to New Media Expo, but like you said, there wasn’t really anything for podcasting. So that’s why we almost were a little leery to do anything before we did that Kickstarter and really vetted the idea because it’s like, why, why is this not an existence and looking back and doing our research, we saw that in the past, there was one, but it was bought up by New Media Expo. So before New Media Expo had a podcasting track, there was a standalone podcasting conference, they just acquired that and absorbed it into it. So there was kind of a little bit of time, I guess, between when that happened, and when we really started getting this ramped up. So I think it did exist, just, you know, for some reason, no one else had stepped up to try to do it again.
David Ralph [12:32]
So for the listeners out about that, I know what you’re talking about that, but there’s a couple of words, but I think we need to explain. And that is Kickstarter, and crowdfunding. So for people out there that’s got this kind of idea going in their head, wouldn’t it be good, but I think I haven’t got the money explaining what these foundations can actually do.
Dan Franks [12:51]
Yeah, so there’s a lot of things out there that people have ideas for. And if you start reading books about how to create some new product, or come up with something new, some of these words that get thrown around our minimum viable product, or proof of concept, or all of these different things have ways to vet your ideas. And one of the things that is very popular nowadays is crowdfunding. And what that means is, you have this idea, you don’t have the money to create that idea. So you put it out there to the world on the internet, usually. And more or less, you put together a sales page of what this idea is whether it’s you’re creating a product, whether it’s something like us, you’re trying to put on an event, you’re a musician trying to create an album, you put together the sales page. And it’s all the compelling reasons that you think this will be a good idea, and why people should contribute money to this idea. And typically through Kickstarter, which is just a way to put this crowdfunding sales page out there and have people contribute money to it, you will say, if you contribute $10, I will give you this prize. So if it’s a musical album, you’ll say for $10, I’ll give you one of the first principle the album for $20. I’ll give you an autographed version of the album. So all these different contribution levels, to where if people go out there, they read the sales page, they think, yeah, this guy deserves whatever it is he’s asking for, I will help contribute to fund this. And then I will get this reward on the back end once this crowdfunding campaign ends. That’s really what it is. So you’ll see if you go to Kickstarter. com, you’ll see all sorts of things out there, you’ll see high tech gadgets and low tech gadgets and all different things. But that’s really what we did. And we thought if we put this podcast movement, national podcasting conference idea out on this crowdfunding platform, it’s asking people to put their money where their mouth is, because oftentimes, you’ll come up with some new crazy idea, and you’ll throw it on Facebook, or you’ll mention it around the dinner table to some family, and hey, I had this great idea, why don’t I create this product? What would you guys think of that? And of course, you know, being good friends and good family that they are, they’ll slap you on the back and say, That’s an awesome idea, Joe, you go for that, or whatever it might be. But this is a great way for those people to put their money where their mouth is, if you really believe in whatever this is I’m doing, then pay for it. Like you said, like you said you would when I first through the idea to you so that’s really the biggest idea of crowdfunding is really, I keep saying this word, but it’s the easiest way to describe it. Put your money where your mouth is.
David Ralph [15:18]
If you want more information on this to the listeners out there, you can go to Episode 68. We’ve clay a bear who is the crowdfunding guy out there at the moment, and you can get more information from him. But we’ve the your your pitch, your crowdfunding pitch? What will you actually aiming to give back to the people that were investing money in? Is?
Dan Franks [15:38]
That was what we used to pre sell tickets to the conference. Oh, wow. Okay.
David Ralph [15:41]
Yeah. So that’s a big ask, does it he’s basically saying, so you’re coming to this anyway, give us the money.
Dan Franks [15:50]
That’s all it was, it was it was pre selling tickets. And the one difference other than just throwing a presale ticket page up there like you would do for a normal conference is with Kickstarter, you don’t reach the goal that you’re trying to reach, then everyone gets their money back or or set another way, no one ever ends up paying the money that they commit to. So we could say, this conference will cost us a minimum of $11,000. If you contribute this, if all the contributions or in our, in our case, all the presale tickets, if that gets up to this number in total, then this conference will happen and your tickets will be charged to you. If we don’t get to this number, the conference won’t happen and you won’t get charged and there’s no refund process. There’s no trying to fight these guys that you’re not sure who they are for money. So it’s almost a fail safe way for the people making a contribution to our cause. Well, you know, through that Kickstarter campaign, and, you know, there’s a number of crowdfunding options out there. And you know, that episode that you mentioned, probably talks about some of them, but to us, we went with Kickstarter, because it had the most credibility, it was the biggest player in the space. So we wanted to knock down any barriers that people might have any hesitation they might have from contributing and doing this person. So with us, so that’s how that’s what is our whole methodology behind it.
David Ralph [17:03]
Okay, I don’t want to focus in on podcast movement all the time, because it is the interesting part of the show, but it’s probably only interesting to me, because I’m a podcaster. But how did you then go and get the the names that you’ve got? And I was looking down the list and I thought Yep, know him know him know her know him. And these are the sort of the weighty boys arm and the weighty ladies who are actually building the content. You didn’t actually have a conference, you had these pre sell tickets, but then you had to get these guys on board. Did you do it beforehand to then say to the the crowdfunding people? The these are the guys that you’re going to be seeing keynote speakers? And who’s going to be on the panel? Or did you do it afterwards?
Dan Franks [17:42]
It combination, really. And that was that was one of the hardest parts of the process was we went to some of these biggest names. With just an idea. We didn’t even have a crowdfunding campaign yet. We went to all the we almost assembled our dream team of podcasters, that we wanted to be the faces of this conference, because those of us who are it, we’re nowhere, nobody’s in the podcasting world compared to a lot of these names we have. So we really knew that we would have to have this quote unquote, star power. So we had to make these Connexions with these people, and just almost go down our list from top to bottom. If we needed if we wanted four faces of the conference, how would we, you know, who would we talk to and to try to get to be those four faces, and we would just go down the list and reach out to these people and explain to them the idea, and explain to them the passion of what we were doing. And it was difficult. We had a probably about a 50% success rate when asking people based on our idea alone. But it was very, very soon to change. Once that crowdfunding campaign got up there. Once word started spreading on social media and started spreading throughout the podcasting community, we had a number of people that had said no, on the front end, come back to us and asked to come to be a part of it on the back end. So you know, that was that was good validation for what we’re doing. I think the biggest takeaway we had, from that whole process was every single person that we asked, and that ultimately committed to being a part of the conference. One of us as founders had a personal in person relationship with. So you mentioned that these are some of the biggest names in podcasting, which they are. But these are, this wasn’t just cold emails to these people asking them to be a part of it, that ultimately got their faces as the faces of this conference, we had spent a lot of time developing relationships with these people, it will Far, far before we ever even had the idea for the conference itself. But we knew these people. So we almost knew that a lot of them when we went and asked them for help, they would commit to us because they knew who we were at that time. So I think that was our biggest thing was that we weren’t cold emailing anybody. We knew all of these people personally.
David Ralph [19:43]
But it’s not a lot of English guys. Were kind of growing hair in their 40s. Both Dan is there.
Dan Franks [19:49]
No, no, there’s not. It sounds seems like a void in the in the conference.
David Ralph [19:53]
I think it’s a void i think is a void that needs to be filled for 2015.
Dan Franks [19:57]
Hey, we weekend, we talked about now there’s a little bit on the front end, you’re you’re definitely making big waves and tell me so we’re at 99. Right now, what
David Ralph [20:06]
was your kickoff date? David 35, April 30 of April on launch three shows. One that was a kind of 15 minute chat with myself, and then two straight on the bat. And then seven days a week since then.
Dan Franks [20:19]
Yeah. So you’ll you’ll be well over a year by the time 2015 comes around. So
David Ralph [20:23]
definitely want to talk about that with you. And I’ll be well over 50 as well. The way way it’s taking its toll on me is one of those things, isn’t it I I talked to a lot of people about entrepreneurial and this is what you’re doing. And it is time consuming, isn’t it, it is totally time consuming. It sucks your energy like you’d never known before you lay in bed thinking things when you think I should be asleep. It’s three o’clock in the morning. I don’t need to be thinking about these things. But it’s the best thing ever in there.
Dan Franks [20:53]
Yeah, and it’s interesting that you bring that up, because before I really started doing this project, this podcast movement project that’s taking up so much my time. You know, I used to read the books and listen to the podcasts and, and all of these things about starting your own business and making the businesses that you start great, and how to do all these things. And now I’ve noticed a huge shift and all my everything I consume outside of work is about productivity and how to manage your time and, and all of these things. So it was very interesting to feel this almost natural shift from how to get something started. And then once I got it started, everything just kind of started turning towards How can I optimise my time best and how can I be the most productive when I’m actually working so that I’m not laying in bed at night trying to think about everything I need to do. And David, I’ll tell you the key to not laying in bed at night wide awake is to not get very much sleep any of the nights and then the second you hit the pillow you knock out so that then you don’t even have to worry about laying in bed awake.
David Ralph [21:51]
I know I gone past that. I’m now doing crazy time zones. Basically, I’m going away for a while. So I’m doing a seven a week show but it’s going to be running on automatic pilot. And although I’ll be coming out live, you’ll be hearing me in your ears. I won’t be here. It’s all going to be pre recorded for a period of time. And so I am bashing them out big time and I’m doing sort of absolutely ridiculous hours. And even though I vain go in and sort of jump into bed, I just can’t switch off. It’s like I’m doing interviews, interviews, interviews into my head all the time. And it seems to be the more tired but I’m getting the less sleep I need except for the times that I don’t need it. So two o’clock in the afternoon, bang I could go off for three or four hours. But they’re not three o’clock in the morning. I’m wide awake. I don’t know what’s happening to me at the moment. I’m I’m suffering podcast demise. That’s what’s doing me in Mr. Franks.
Dan Franks [22:43]
Well, I hope you I hope it doesn’t take permanent a permanent toll on you. Hopefully, whatever you go away, you can hit that reset button and come back fully. Fully back on the right schedule.
David Ralph [22:53]
I will be back I will be brown I will be timed and I will be ready to go.
Dan Franks [22:57]
So you’re gonna Are you gonna hold on I gotta know where we’re this brown is coming from where are you headed?
David Ralph [23:02]
I’m heading to the European climates of Spain.
Dan Franks [23:06]
David Ralph [23:07]
That’s what that’s where the US British go really because it’s two and a half hours in the plane is is kind of big thing for you Americans, isn’t it? We go to Europe, but we just kind of jump on the plane and 50 pounds later with air. So we’re we’re lucky really, it’s one of the drawbacks. You know, I love America is one place to go. I’m going to go to America. I love it. And since you know for the last 2030 years, and I say this all the time, because I’m kind of proud about it. I’ve done every single state bar to and I’ve just got to take off these last 2am and I’ve done a lot. Some of them quite in depth. Some of them I’ve stepped into in stepped out but I can sort of take those are. But the you going to places it’s quite an expense, isn’t it? If you’re coming over to Europe, you know, it’s quite an undertaking. So where where do you go for your holidays?
Dan Franks [23:52]
All over, we try not to hit the same place twice. I’ll tell you the thing we’re on right now is the cruises and I don’t know how often you guys cruise over there and your up. But I know there are a lot of cruises going on. But you know, we like the idea of the cruise because you sleep in the same bed every night. But you wake up in a different destiny destination every day. So will fall asleep after we just left Jamaica and we’ll wake up and we’ll be in the Cayman Islands or something like that. So we really like the idea of having that one bed that we’re sleeping in, but being able to experience different places. So maybe that’s our attention deficit disorder personality that we can’t just stay in one place for too long. But the cruises are really what my wife and I are enjoying right now.
David Ralph [24:31]
And it sounds like you don’t have kids.
Dan Franks [24:33]
We do not have kids that would make things infinitely more difficult and expensive. I think.
David Ralph [24:39]
Absolutely. I can see how a cruise is wonderful when you’ve got no children, but I can also see how it be hell on earth. having children all the time.
Dan Franks [24:46]
Yeah, I could imagine. So when we get there, we might change our tune a little bit.
David Ralph [24:51]
And you’ll be surrounded by other people screaming kids. And yeah, anyway, we will let you you live with the fantasy on that because it will drag you down in time and you will have little kids and those kind of lovely holidays will be a thing of the past.
Dan Franks [25:04]
Well, we’ll enjoy it now.
David Ralph [25:05]
Absolutely. So Have you always been entrepreneurial? Because it seems to me when I was getting this sort of background to you and you you went through sort of college and stuff and you studied for your accountancy exams and all those kind of things. But talking to you now, you don’t really seem like an accountant, you seem like somebody that’s got hustle muscle, and you want to get out there and you want to create your own path. Is this something that’s come late to you? Or has it been dormant for a while?
Dan Franks [25:35]
Now, I think I’ve had it for a while. So the whole storey of the typical lemonade stand outside the front yard I never had. But from the age of 13 or 14 years old, which would have put us mid mid to late 90s. I have been running online businesses to be perfectly honest. So just a very quick background, I was a huge and still am professional wrestling fan. So the WWE wwe, you know, fake punches and kicks, all of that was a huge, huge fan of that growing up. And I discovered that there was a local professional wrestling scene in my area in terms of a number of different leagues and a bunch of different local professional wrestlers, you know, none of which were this same as I would see on TV. But it was fun to go to fun to experience in person. And one of the things I noticed though, because I was one of the early or my family I should say was one of the early adopters of using the internet. And I used to watch the WWE on TV, and then go home and look at WWE, or you go to the computer and look at their website. But I noticed that none of the small wrestling leagues that I would go to here in Dallas, Texas, had these websites. So to me, that was just an instant lightbulb, well, they need websites just like the big guys do. So then I started creating websites, and then afford these companies and then selling them to them and maintaining them. And then other leagues started coming to me from all over the country and saying, Well, can you create our website will pay you wrestlers, individuals would come to me and say, Hey, we I want my own website? Will you help me do that? So I really at the, you know, 13 1415 I had this online website, design and upkeep business. So I’d get off the school bus every afternoon, and I’d open the mailbox and see what wrestlers and wrestling leagues I had checks from in the mail. So that was very early on doing this entrepreneurial thing that just came from finding a void in the space. Not Not intentionally, but just by happenstance, and then filling that void, very similar to you know, 20 years later, or maybe not 20 years later, but a little bit later doing this podcast movement, finding that need and filling it. So that was really the beginning. And I’ve done all kinds of things since then that could be I still considered entrepreneurial. So I think it’s not anything that’s been dormant, but I can absolutely see when you talk to your typical CPA here in the United States, or enrolled agent or any of these accountant types, I tend to be a little different than them. That’s for sure.
David Ralph [27:54]
That’s an understatement. You’re totally different. I have spoken to many, I know if you you tax returns people, and they’re nice people, but they do not have the passion that you’ve got. And you’ve got this passion kind of flowing from you, I can just hear it in your voice. And it might seem that you’re in in a straitjacket doing your job, or do you find an avenue during that job to actually express yourself in a way that you want to. When I first graduated
Dan Franks [28:21]
college, and I took a job right out of school doing my attacks accounting similar to what I’m doing now on paper, at least, that is exactly how I felt I was in a straitjacket sitting behind a computer, I was the proverbial bean counter, I was literally what you imagine a tax accountant being sitting behind the desk all day. And that was the straitjacket time of my life. Absolutely. I decided to give it one more go, I didn’t want to leave the industry right away that I had just spent five years in school to get this certification. And this, you know, the diploma and all that. So I found a firm that almost releases us into the wild. So they act as the backbone for what we’re doing. And there’s the support staff, and there’s the people there and then the systems in place. But they’re very empowering in terms of what we can do on our own. So I now have the ability to go out and find my own clients and work with people that I enjoy working with and bringing that business back to the firm. And it was a huge one at from what I was doing. So while you know, the bottom line is I’m doing tax returns and working on tax consulting for these people. It’s night and day in terms of my interaction with the clients, the clients I’m working with. So I completely broke free of those straitjackets. And really, one of the reasons I got into accounting to begin with was because I wanted to see what the best entrepreneurs were best at. So I was in business school already. But I didn’t know what portion of the business school I wanted to focus on. Because I did have this entrepreneurial drive, I knew that maybe I wasn’t going to become an entrepreneur, quote unquote, right away out of school. But I knew at some point in the future, I wanted to pave my own way. And I researched and look turn around and ask people, what are the best entrepreneurs have the best skills in? And a lot of the answers was, well, you have to know your money. No matter what field of work you’re in, no matter what type of business you’re in, somebody has to be in charge of the money, somebody has to know what the balances balance sheet looks like, what that means read the income statement, really have a good understanding for what’s going on in your company. So to me, my my immediate reaction was, well, I need to be that person then. Because if I want to be an entrepreneur, a solo printer and do my own thing, if that’s the most important part of the company, then that’s what I want to be an expert in. So that was my first. That was the first and main reason why I got into accounting. Now I get to have those skills, and I get to work with other entrepreneurs, other small business owners, and pass that knowledge on to them. These are people that didn’t have that foresight to maybe get a background in accounting. Now they desperately need somebody to be on their team that does have that knowledge. And now I’m able to fill that void for multiple entrepreneurs, not just for myself,
David Ralph [30:57]
you seem like a hole filler, you seem like something that looks around and sees a hole that no one has filled. And Ben, you you work at filling that you’ve done that with the podcast movement. You’ve done that with that you did that with the wrestling is it seems to be a theme that’s running through this conversation.
Dan Franks [31:13]
Yeah, it does. I’ve never thought of it that way. But that’s absolutely what I what I’ve been doing. So I always I always described myself as a team member in terms of the accounting thing, but a whole filler. Yeah, you know, you could, you could you could call it that.
David Ralph [31:25]
So is that a key point for people who are listening to this conversation and they are in similar jobs where they feel straitjacketed and they are looking around is that a good thing for them to do to just look at something that’s already out there and try to find the hole in the market?
Dan Franks [31:42]
No, no doubt about it. And I think so many people that are trying to break free trying to do something on their own, they try to force whatever that on their own thing will be they tried to desperately seek out reading books, or listening to podcasts or trying to look for that void. When I think in reality, sometimes you find those boys a whole lot easier when you’re not looking for them when you’re just aware of what’s going on around you. So I mean, I think that’s what I have done. And all my successes have been these things that almost, you know, I saw the light, I wasn’t looking for the light, but I saw it because I was I was accepting of it if it showed up. So I definitely think that’s a good opportunity for success, you just have to be in the mindset to be able to see those voids,
David Ralph [32:24]
because I’ve become a great advocate for bringing your own spin into an established market. And when I started doing this show, I had this idea. And it wasn’t a new idea seven days a week, it’s already out there. And I just basically took the bits, but I liked from other shows. And so I like the fact that it was seven days a week. I like the shows that were conversational. I like the shows that I didn’t really know where it was going to start where it was going to end. But there was there was some kind of vibe about it, but infused me. And you don’t have to reinvent the wheel Do you have to become successful, you just have to do something, be consistent, deliver the content, or the product or whatever you’re actually building and do it in your own way. And if you duplicate main, you’re shooting yourself in the foot. And we see that so many times in podcasting, where somebody has a lot of success. And then you suddenly get loads of people doing the same shows. And I listened to him and I think what are you doing, just do it yourself, you’re going to be much better being yourself and being bad person. So just just throw off the shackles and be yourself. And if people don’t like it, hell to them, and the people that do like it that is your audience and work towards the audience.
Dan Franks [33:36]
Yeah, I could not agree more. Some of my favourite podcasts are the ones that probably don’t get the most downloads. They’re the super niche ones. And I’m a big fan, not as a listener, but just of the whole idea of, like you said, Be yourself, do what you’re passionate about. There’s a podcast about dentistry. And it’s a guy who does a podcast focus for dentist now feeling how’s the game, you say you’re feeling that is filling holes. And that’s somebody who he wanted to get into podcasting, maybe he could have followed some of these already proven tracks, and these, these guys that are getting big downloads and copied and pasted what they were doing for himself. But he didn’t he stuck to who he was, he did something that he was not only interested in, but very well versed in, he was himself. And now he’s got this podcast, that wallet maybe doesn’t get the huge download numbers that some of these other shows do. He wanted to monetize that podcast, and he was able to because he had a very niche down product. So I think if anyone had read any of these, you know how to podcast or how to make money in podcasting, no one would ever have said, Do what he’s doing. But he stuck to his guns and stuck to who he was. And now he’s one of the more successful ones I know. So it’s really, really important to me that whatever it is you do, you be yourself and there’s probably a void that yourself will fill.
David Ralph [34:48]
I was having a conversation with somebody the other day, and I’m banging them out big time at the moment. So I remember the conversations, I can’t quite remember who I was talking to. And they were saying that you can basically be successful with 1000 loyal customers, you don’t need to have, you know, world domination, you can just do it by providing what those thousand people are looking for on a daily basis. Would you agree with that?
Dan Franks [35:13]
And we’re talking about podcasting or talking about it
Unknown Speaker [35:15]
Dan Franks [35:17]
I think it’s less than that. I mean, I mean, I if I don’t have 1000 accounting clients, but I do just fine with the smaller number. So I mean, I think it’s obviously dependent on what you’re doing. But yes, if the point is you don’t have to have a lot as long as they’re people that are buying into whatever you’re doing and really passionate. And, you know, you’ve sold them on what you’re doing, then yeah, I think the numbers don’t have to be high at all, regardless of what it is.
David Ralph [35:42]
You seem a man, but he knows his path. And you have been following a path. And now it’s slightly changing direction. If I took you to push, and shove, would you want to be podcast movement creator VAT kind of Dan Franks? Or would you want to be the accountant world working with the clients back current Dan brings,
Dan Franks [36:03]
you know, full disclosure. I don’t know right now I enjoy both what I’m doing when I’m in the in the thick of things on either side, I say to myself, Wow, this is awesome. I could see myself growing this over here. But then I’ll get back on the other side. And I’ll be like, wow, this is really great. I love what I’m doing here. So you know, I’m sure ultimately, if both things continue to grow and improve, and also take up more of my time, at some point, that decision will have to be made. But right now I’m not to that point yet. So I I’m just kind of feeling it out.
David Ralph [36:33]
Because he’s really into had two strings to your bow, isn’t it?
Dan Franks [36:36]
Well, it’s lovely. It’s definitely I mean it, you can kind of do things without fear. Right. And that’s, I love that. So if I if I’m doing something, and I, I’ve got another I don’t want to call it a fallback plan, but two things going on at the same time, and the pulling the strings to the boat, you’re not scared to maybe pull a little harder on one of the strings because if it snaps, you know, you still have something moving that boat along.
David Ralph [36:59]
Because I’m got this when I quit my nine to five job, I went into web development. And very quickly, I decided that I couldn’t bear web development. And I came across podcasting. And since I’ve been doing this, I know it’s my my route. And I have to make it work end of storey. And for me only having one route. You know, the old acronym focus, follow one course until success, I think is absolutely true for me, because the years I was always the shiny silver object person and I would be good I do that. I mean, just as it was about to tip over to success, I jumped onto something else. And now just because I know I’ve got to make this work and I’m doing everything I possibly can i i’m i’m achieving it, and it is going great guns, but to have you on two sides of the fence having success and success. It must be an you know, you’ve already said it’s an enviable position to be. But it must be a really sort of lovely position to be when so many people out there can’t even think of one thing that they want to do that there wasn’t a passion.
Dan Franks [37:59]
Yeah, and a buddy of mine, Joe Cassandra and I, we always have this conversation because we hear the success storeys of people that they attribute most of their success to, they had no other choice. So whether it was they were laid off, or they were fired, or they just quit their job because they couldn’t handle it. And they put themselves on this new course much like you’re on now. And they had no choice but to succeed, that drive that motivation could drive you so much further than someone in my position that you don’t have to serve. You don’t have to strive in either one. Now I feel like I’m striving and both based on my internal motivation. But who knows if I lost one, how much harder i’d push on the other. So it’s to me there it’s a, you know, kind of a toss up which which route is better? And I don’t think there’s a right or wrong way, obviously. But he and I do have that constant debate. Which way would lead to better success? And you know, I don’t know what the right answer is. But I think you know, so far you and I think we’re doing all right where we’re at,
David Ralph [38:52]
but but you obviously have got faith, you’ve got a belief in yourself, and you seem to be somebody’s about to be on it. You seem quite fearless in many ways, just the fact that you were talking about setting this podcast movement up, I don’t think I would have done that. I don’t think I would have pushed myself on to be able to do that. Are you somebody that is pretty fearless? Are you somebody that calculates the risks, and then takes action.
Dan Franks [39:18]
I don’t feel like you know, if I’m living in a bubble, I don’t feel fearless. But when I step out and look around at others around me that you know, same age or maybe same profession on the accounting side, when I compare myself to others, which I don’t like to do, you know, it’s not a competition that I find myself in. But when I do look around in comparison, I think maybe I would be more fearless than them in terms of stepping outside of the comfort zone. So that’s that’s the best way to describe it that internally. I don’t feel fearless. But in comparison, I think maybe I am a little bit.
David Ralph [39:49]
I think you are I was talking to a lady last night who has just bought her own movie studio. She’s a big mover and shaker in Los Angeles. And she says that she basically lives on that fear. And every single day, she lives right on the edge, because it’s the only way that she knows that constantly. She is stepping out of her comfort zone and improving and moving forward. And if she’s not just on that edge, she knows it’s a bad decision. So she that’s where she plays.
Dan Franks [40:17]
Yeah, I could totally relate to that. Yeah. I just she’s I agree completely with what she’s doing. That’s awesome.
David Ralph [40:25]
Well, let’s see if you agree with somebody else as well. This is the the late Steve Jobs. And he made a marvellous speech back in 2005, which we probably generally every episode, and it is the theme of the show. So I want to play these words, I’m not just want to see if they’re relevant to you, Mr. Frank. So this is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [40:41]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [41:16]
Now we spoke before the show, and I said you know are you clued up on this and you said Oh, yes, I am. And I watched it on the mission statement, which is on the website. Now you’ve listened to again, and obviously just sitting there listening to those words, how does it make you feel?
Dan Franks [41:32]
I can totally relate. And I feel like yeah, that that was how I was living when I was in college. And when I was sitting there, not sure where things were going to lead. And I’ll be honest, my college, I didn’t have a part time job while I was in school, other than I was professional wrestling three to four nights a week when I was in school. So that that passion of that I had when I was a child in terms of being a fan of a professional wrestler, I got into that in college. And my dream at that time in college was I was going to be a big time professional wrestler, so I was going to school for the accounting. But after as soon after I started that I got pulled into this world of professional wrestling. And that’s that’s where things were going to lead me that’s I just knew that’s what I was going to do. And through weird happenstance, some of those things are what led me to where I’m at today in terms of my, the accounting firm I’m with and the clients I have and some of the things I’m doing. So I read, it’s really interesting to hear that specific piece isolated like that, because it’s true, you don’t know what you’re doing. You might not know what’s going to happen with what you’re doing. But, you know, if what you’re doing at that time seems right, then trust that it is the right thing I you know, that’s awesome. That’s why he’s Steve Jobs, and I’m not
David Ralph [42:46]
you one day you will be I’m sure you will. Because I totally believe in that I look at literally everything that I’ve done in my life now. And it has led to this point. And I couldn’t see it at the time. But now I look back on it. And I’ve been Oh yes, I can see why I’m able. But to do this, I can see why this is happening. And it’s all the kind of wasted experiences that were never wasted. There are things that you look back on. And you think, yeah, that’s just built on this. And that’s an extra string to my bow. And that has developed that strength or whatever. And it has led me to this point. And I think it really is the message that goes out across the world. But if you take action and you have faith and you, you know, believe in yourself, even if it doesn’t kind of work first ago, just kind of change direction. And if you hit a closed door, walk along until you find an open door and then go through there because the path you set out more often than not isn’t the one that you originally perceive. But it’s a pretty good right to have.
Dan Franks [43:43]
Yeah, yeah, it’s and I guess that’s that. That’s how when you know, everyone who’s listening now we are in the in the now we are currently doing whatever we’re doing. And we kind of have to look back and in almost like you said all those things that happened in the past, they’ve gotten me to where I am today, those were the right things. So you have to then almost move that knowledge forward and know what you’re doing now are the right things going forward for the future. And that thinking one day, you’ll look back at the now and think you did things right. So it’s a you know, it’s it’s it’s this Back to the Future cyclical stuff, but I think it’s um, man, it’s a it’s an awesome message, I’m still somewhat reflecting on what Steve Jobs said,
David Ralph [44:22]
I reflect on it. Every single day, I listened to that speech probably about six or seven times a day as I’m doing these shows. And sometimes I really listened to him. And sometimes I’m doing other things while it’s playing. And then sometimes it’s like I’ve never heard them before. And I just hear something that kind of comes out to me and speaks to me. And I want to play you something else as well. And I’ve been throwing this in as well. And this is another little motivational, motivational speech that we showed. But this is this is from somebody who’s still with us. This is Jim Carrey, and he said this recently, but listen to this, and how powerful is this issue? Jim Carrey,
Jim Carrey [44:57]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [45:24]
You put those two species together back is dynamite. And that.
Dan Franks [45:29]
Yeah, that is and that goes back to that fearlessness. And I’ve heard that clip before. And that’s awesome. The just that last little bit if you’re going to fail at what you don’t love, why don’t you fail, try at least take the chance of possibly failing at what you do love. That’s, that’s awesome. I don’t there’s no other way to describe that. And I feel like that’s what you know, that’s what maybe you’re doing right now. And that’s that’s what I’m doing right now as well.
David Ralph [45:52]
I just think that I wasted. Well, I say you wasted. No experience is wasted. You know, I built up skills. I certainly coasted that’s a better word, the year upon year upon year eight, because I couldn’t really see my part because I didn’t really know where things was leading. But because I don’t think I ever took that that real, that faith that leap to jump into something and sink or swim. And I think when people are getting to that point in their life, and I know the listeners are getting to that point in their life, because I’m getting emails from them. And they’re saying to me that through the conversations that you’re having, I’m inspired to try and find my own path. I’m not really sure what it is. But I’m you know, I’m hoping that the conversations will get something going into my brain. Ultimately, it’s almost a case of you never going to get that answer. You’ve just got to leap.
Dan Franks [46:44]
Yeah, but it’s interesting, because you know, you you’re you at first said waist and then you corrected yourself. But at the same time the Steve Jobs quote, it’s, you know, there was no way you wouldn’t have ended up here had that coasting. Time Period not have ever happened. I think I would have been here earlier.
David Ralph [47:00]
That’s, that’s that’s the I don’t have regrets. But I think actually, I was primed for this maybe five years ago. And I look back on it. And I think, Wow, where would I be now? Because that would have really been ahead of the curve. Now the real movers and shakers, the people on the podcast movement, and the people on the panel and all those kind of things. Were the people that took that step in this direction. A few years back, you know, if you look at the sort of the big names like john Lee Dumas or somebody once he started 2012 now or 2014, and he used the name to sort of be isn’t a he’s, he’s the bloke up there. And I just think that I was ready. I was ready to do this three or four years ago, but I just wasn’t aware or I didn’t know it was available. And I kind of look at it and think, Wow, what a different life. You can’t change it. You know, it’s just as it is. But I do think that there was a period of my life, but I was coasting. And I should have, I should have done something more. Because now I’m doing it. It’s It’s hard. It’s exhausting, really, is the best ride of my life. And I feel invigorated and inspired every single day, that for many years, I didn’t.
Dan Franks [48:08]
Yeah, and you can’t you can’t change the past. But at the same time, I really do feel like you can learn a lesson from doing the right things. But oftentimes, the lessons you learn from doing the wrong things are much, much better. So maybe this undying passion you have now for what you’re doing had you coasted for, you know, one year instead of five, maybe that passion wouldn’t have been as strong and you know, only only you would know that only going back in time, would you ever really prove that. But I do think I’m so forward facing that. I totally believe learning from the past, but not dwelling on the past. I know that’s not what you’re doing, David, but, but just just kind of, you know, speaking a little bit independently of all that, I really do think that some of the best lessons are from doing the wrong things.
David Ralph [48:48]
I agree with that every episode, it comes up as the big dot. And for most of the people that I’ve been speaking to the big.is Normally, the dark period of their life is the part where they look back on it and go, Wow, that was dreadful. But I would not be here now without fat. And it was, you know, it was the moment that their life changed. Have you had Have you had the big dots, but you can look back and you go and go Yes, I am the Dan Frank’s I am now because of that.
Dan Franks [49:17]
The closest thing I could attribute that to that would be that two years that we in that proverbial straitjacket. At my first job out of college when I was at straitjacketed tied to the desk CPA working, you know, hundred hours a week and just not talking to anyone but the computer and you know that that damages personal relationships, it damages your mental health, I think and it damages your your will to kind of push forward and improve yourself when you’re just stuck in this, I guess that dark hole, that giant diet, but you know it that’s as dark as it got for me, I would never say that it was as bad as many of the storeys are what many people have experienced. But again, that totally, totally 100% led me to doing everything I’m doing now. So definitely not go back and change that experience.
David Ralph [50:01]
But that’s a powerful statement to me, because that is the kind of darkness that so many people are under, you know, it’s not too bad. It’s not too good. I have conversations where people will actually say to me, I was in a car ready to commit suicide and something stopped me. And I’ve said to them, you know, what’s that the worst thing and I go, actually, it was the worst day of my life. But the best day of my life as well. And I quite open with that. That was the moment everything progressed through. But what you’re saying is the thing that kills so many dreams. And that is when things are not that bad, but we almost accept them on a daily basis. Because Hey, it’s a job is paying the bills, I can put up with this until the weekend. But for all the listeners out there, you can have more than that. And I’m not just saying these words, I totally believe that. And if you listen back to all the shows, and we’re up to nearly 100. Now, every single person will say the same. You can create your own reality, you can take action, and you can have a life that you want. Ultimately, it’s down to you. And if you are in that dark comfort zone where you’re just going there and you’re in a job and you’re not talking to anyone, you can slip off that straight jacket, and you can start fading stuff again.
Dan Franks [51:12]
Yeah, and I think anyone listening to this is doing the right thing. That’s the right first step is to surround yourself with people that are either doing something that you want, or you feel like sometimes their message resonates with you. Because oftentimes, you’ll be in that physical environment where you don’t have that those people around you. And that’s how I found myself people around me were complacent, they were not hating where they were at. But they weren’t loving it either. And that’s oftentimes worse than being around a bunch of people who hate what they’re doing, because you’re more easily pushed to get out of it. So I think people listening to this, and you know, maybe this episode with me doesn’t resonate with you, or doesn’t trigger that that doesn’t flip that switch. And maybe David isn’t, doesn’t do it. But at some point, if you keep listening, there’s going to be somebody that says something, and that lights gonna go off in your head. And you said, That’s me, now is the time. So I really think that’s the best thing to do is just find a way to surround yourself with people and podcasts are a great way to do a podcast. And books are a wonderful way to do it. If you don’t have those people in your physical life
David Ralph [52:10]
is key, isn’t it? surround yourself with the people that are either doing something that you want to do, or just inspire you. Because when you see possibilities that you just don’t get Normally, I was a kind of podcast guy, I started listening to them, not a lot. But I just kind of started listening to them. And then I became too aware. And there’s a chap called Michael O’Neill on a soda pioneer hour, and he has his phrase, I think is perfect. And he says when you’re ready to leap, it’s a time that you know too much. And I think that’s about it, you can actually see that there’s other opportunities about beforehand you can. But until you get to that point, you’re not ready.
Dan Franks [52:51]
Yeah, and that kind of goes back to the whole. You know, if you’re looking for the voids in your you’re just you’re actively looking and avoiding everything but looking at for what that void in the spaces that you’re going to fill. That’s not when you find it, it’s when it shows itself to you. So that that goes right back to that.
David Ralph [53:07]
Just before we put you on the sermon and the mic is coming to the end of the show now and this is when we send you back in time to have a one on one with yourself. If you could go forward maybe a couple of years. Where do you think Dan Franks will be? what’s what’s your dreams for the next couple of years?
Dan Franks [53:24]
That that is that is the hardest question for me to answer. It’s very easy to answer questions about the path. And it’s very hard for me to answer questions about the future. So I I don’t know, David, I don’t I don’t know what the future holds for me. I I’ve got nothing for you. And that’s, that’s tough. That’s one of the things I struggle with.
David Ralph [53:42]
Do you find that exciting, but you don’t know?
Dan Franks [53:46]
Yeah, yeah, I do find it exciting and scary, but exciting and not scary to the point of like, I worry about it. But when you know, when you when you someone like you or calls it to my attention, a little bit, a little bit of fear comes up. But at the same time, it’s not something that’s going to change what I’m doing. Sometimes I feel like the, the the farmer, someone in the field, tossing all the seeds, and I know some of those seeds aren’t going to grow. But I know some of them will grow. And once I see those seeds growing, if I continue to focus on those ones, then you know, then good things will happen.
David Ralph [54:21]
That’s all you can do, isn’t it? That’s generally life.
Unknown Speaker [54:24]
David Ralph [54:26]
Well, let’s play the music Ben. And as we play the music, you’re going to go back in time, and you’re going to meet your younger self. And if you could go back into a room and see the young Dan Frank’s which kind of Dan frames would it be? Would it be the lemonade stand? Dan, would it be the young wrestler? Or would it be the person who’s just having this idea about creating the podcast movement, so I’m going to play the music. And when it fades out, you’re up and this is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [54:56]
Here we go with the best beer
Dan Franks [55:13]
hey there little Danny What’s going on? I see you’re, you’re making some websites there, those they don’t look too good. You’ll you’ll you’ll understand that in a few years when you see what a real website looks like. But But what you’re doing, it’s great right now I high five for, for doing things like that it no one else around you is doing that. So that’s pretty impressive. But you know, you should go out and pick up the baseball a little more, don’t focus so much on on sitting behind the computer, you’ll have plenty of time for that when you get older, your metabolism. It’s fast now. But you’ll you’ll thank me later if you just get in that habit of being outside, doing a little more exercise, but but let me tell you just follow your path. Don’t. Don’t try to look too much in the future. Just just live for the present. And what it is you’re doing now what you’re enjoying, continue to do it because you don’t know it right now. But it will lead to something and and there’s a wise man that will one time one day in the future have this great speech that will allow you to look back and connect these dots. And you don’t know it yet. But these dots will all lead to something great. So So while I tell you to go out and play a little more, little more stick and ball, do what you’re doing. stay the course and you’re gonna you’re going to have a wonderful life in future.
David Ralph [56:26]
And we can see that already. Then I just got one question before we say goodbye to you. You have got a podcasting voice. And I know that your podcast is now on hiatus. It has been for a while. Is it going to come back?
Dan Franks [56:41]
It might So Joe Cassandra, the buddy of mine I mentioned he is was my co host and entrepreneur showdown. And we got a little frustrated for a number of things. And we felt like the space we were in and I love what you’re doing where you’re not just interviewing entrepreneurs, you were interviewing real people that have done really things and not just the same batch of people. Awesome. what we were doing, we were interviewing the same people that everyone else was. And while we took a different approach to it, we were not differentiating ourselves enough. So we decided to put it on hiatus and go back to the drawing board. In the meantime, I love podcasting so much I have started with with another buddy of mine just a fun podcast, something to continue to talk into the microphone and entertain the people that are listening. So I don’t know about the entrepreneur showdown coming back. We’ll see. I hope in some iteration it will. But you know, right now it’s it’s it’s on hiatus, man. I don’t I don’t know what else to say Joe and I are still great friends. And we are constantly brainstorming and coming up with new ideas. But right now the podcast entrepreneur show and I was not
David Ralph [57:46]
one of them. Wouldn’t it be great 2015 the keynote speakers David Ralph and Ben Franks.
Dan Franks [57:53]
So that I can’t make myself the keynote speaker.
David Ralph [57:56]
you own this, you own it, you can push yourself out. It’s Your Game, you’re ball. If you take the ball away, it’s not gonna happen. put yourself out there.
Dan Franks [58:02]
Alright. Alright. Well, we’ll see. I’ll start with him saying this year. And then we’ll see where that leads next year.
David Ralph [58:08]
I’m rooting for you, Dan. Dan, how many, you know, all the listeners out there that’s been listening to this conversation are inspired by what you’re trying to do? How can they connect with you?
Dan Franks [58:19]
If you go to Dan Frank’s dot me. So da n f r a n k s.me. It has a little page there. It’s not the best web page but it has all the things I’m working on right now. It does talk about entrepreneur showdown podcast. So it links to all the different things that either past or present projects I’ve had. And then it has all different ways to get in touch with me. So I as for now I reply to every email and I, I talked to everyone on Twitter. So I’d love to talk to anyone who’s maybe finds themselves in any of the positions we talked about in and would like to grow or, you know, wants to talk about podcast movement or anything else I’m working on. I’d love to chat with anybody, Dave.
David Ralph [58:56]
Very generous offer. Well, thank you so much for spending time with us today, joining those dots of your life. And please come back again when you have more dots to join up. Or just to tell us how the podcast movement went. Because I do believe it but joining those dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Dan Frank, thank you so much.
Dan Franks [59:13]
Thank you so much. Oh, I want to see you here in 2015 will make it happen man.
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