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Introducing Chris Taylor
Todays guest, joining us on the Join Up Dots business coaching podcast interview is Mr Chris Taylor.
He is a man on a mission to help the world self develop, progress, and move to a better future, all at a time and pace that is convenient for them.
He started his first business at the age of twelve, and since then has travelled the world whilst pursuing his passion of leadership and team culture development on a larger scale.
In 2008, Chris Taylor founded Actionable Books, which led to him winning in 2009 Entrepreneurial Spirit Award, by using business books as a platform for leader and team growth.
How The Dots Joined Up For Chris
But knowing that by utilising technology, that is both easy to get and easy to carry around, he could grow his brand even further, in 2010 he went online, and launched actionable interviews where he has conducted interviews with such big thinkers such as Seth Godin, Susan Cain and Sir Ken Robinson.
If this sounds like success after success, then think again, as with all entrepreneurs the story for Chris Taylor, is one of success, failures, stumbles and falls.
Well let’s bring onto the show to start joining up dots, as we discuss the words of Steve Jobs with the one and only Mr Chris Taylor.
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Chris Taylor such as:
How he has never met a successful person who hasn’t fallen over, and bruised his knees….failures are a part of success!
How we should celebrate all the small successes we get in life no matter how small!
How he used to make little movies with friends when he was at college and loved the creative side of life!
How DVD’s should allow us to do what we want, when we press the button…we should get what we want when we want every time!
How he was given a cheque by his parents for $600 and was left with two choices to make….find out what they were on the show!
What the true definition of squiggly careers is, and how that is the truth that we all feel, but don’t believe that other people have the same!
How To Connect With Chris Taylor
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Audio Transcription Interview Of Chris Taylor
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK. David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes, hello there. Good morning to you all. Welcome to Episode 110 of a Join Up Dots. Do you notice sometimes in my life, I slap my head and go, how stupid Am I I’m recording today. And the rain is ploughing down on me. I can hear it pitter pattering all over my roof hopefully won’t come up on the mic. And the chap I’m going to be speaking to, is in Spain, probably lying on his his little bench, having nice glass of whatever, beautiful. Now I’m in Spain next week, I should have just done it over there, I should have done it live. And that would have sort of joined things together. But as he’s online, let’s start talking to him because he is a man on a mission to help the world self develop progress and move to a better future or at a time and pace, but it’s convenient for them. He started his first business at the age of 12. And since then, has travelled the world whilst pursuing his passion of leadership and team culture development on a larger scale. Now, in 2008, he founded actionable baulks, which led to him winning in 2009, the entrepreneurial spirit award by using business books as a platform for leader and team growth. But knowing that by utilising technology that is both easy to get and easy to carry around us suppose he could grow his brand even further. In 2010, he went online and launched actionable interviews, where he’s conducted interviews with such big thinkers such as Seth Godin, Susan Cain, and our own British Sir Ken Robinson, that if it sounds like success after success, when think, again, as we’ve all entrepreneurs, the storey is one of success, failures, stumbles and falls. So let’s bring on to the show. don’t join me at the belt. So he’s live. But one and only Mr. Chris Taylor. How are you, Chris?
Chris Taylor [2:05]
I’m wonderful. David, thanks for having me.
David Ralph [2:07]
It is lovely to have you on. And as I was saying in the introduction, well, we should have done this live, we could have been recording with our microphones feet in the pole, it would have been perfect.
Chris Taylor [2:17]
Next time, David will do the follow up.
David Ralph [2:19]
I’m not actually sure what water and microphones go well, can you get electrocuted by a microphone?
Chris Taylor [2:26]
There’s only one way to find out. But I’m sure they have some sort of device for that right. Some way to stay safe?
David Ralph [2:31]
I think so. And it would go viral. It would be good for traffic. I don’t care about sort of the fear of death. As long as I get some traffic. It is that shallow. It’s all about the clicks. Right? It’s all about the clicks. Yes. Make sure that things go viral. So you you have had a bit of a journey. So you obviously are not Spanish? So can I start with why are you living in Spain? It was a place that you went to and just fell in love with? Or was your business set up there? How’s that going about?
Chris Taylor [3:02]
Yeah, it’s, it’s interesting. David, I’m originally from from Canada, I lived in most of the provinces across Canada at various points throughout my life. I’d never been to Spain until I’d actually never been to Europe until 2012, when my wife and I came over here for the first time to do a little tour. But it was interesting. My my grandparents back in the 70s used to have a place in Spain. And I grew up with the storeys of, you know, sort of this romantic land called cold Spain. And I think you know, at a very young age that that made an imprint. And I’ve had this romantic and mad, almost magical image of Spain since I was a child. And so my wife and I came over here in 2012, to check it out and fell in love with the particular region that we’re in, which is sort of Southern California. And so we started putting the plan in motion to move here and make sure that the business could support us in that. So we’ve been here now for about 10 months and loving every day of it. And as you say it’s a sunny almost every day of the year and certainly a lot warmer than Canada during the winter months.
David Ralph [4:01]
Now I didn’t quite hear the area. So you up in the Barcelona area. Is that where you were saying?
Chris Taylor [4:07]
That’s right. Yeah, we’re just about halfway between Barcelona and Valencia.
David Ralph [4:11]
So I’ll unit things like Tulsa demo and love it tomorrow and the kind of holiday places that us Brits go to?
That’s Yes, absolutely lots of Brits in this area and increasing in numbers as we get more and more into the summer.
David Ralph [4:24]
I do apologise Chris, I can’t apologise. You have it to yourself in the winter and it’s lovely and then we all come over and we lay on the beach the soon as we get there and just drop skin on you for the rest of the two weeks.
Chris Taylor [4:41]
Yes, absolutely. That’s that’s the way it goes.
David Ralph [4:43]
There’s a thing about US English boba I, if you if you see the Germans and this is going to be a sweeping stereotype, but it’s true as well. But if you see the Germans go on holiday, they will go there and the very first day they will do like 20 minutes in the sun and the next day 30 minutes and I build it up and so when they go home, they’ve got these lovely chris brown colour. But the English kind of go from Rain Rain, rain rain to suddenly nine and a half hours laying there basting themselves and then wonder why we go home as white as when we we came it just sort of lunacy.
Little bit. Yeah. You know, thankfully, the group that we’ve started become friends with here is mostly mostly expats from from England. And they’ve been they’ve been here long enough to know the differences and the appropriate way to take in the sun. So they’re almost becoming locals. But yeah, it is. It is a funny thing to go down to the beach and see all sorts of different people embracing summer in totally different ways. Some of them all in for sure.
David Ralph [5:44]
So if we jump back into your life, because Join Up Dots is about connecting up your life. And would it be true when I said it’s a being a storey of success or failures, stumbles and falls? Do you look back on your life and kind of go, Wow, what a ride? It’s been?
Chris Taylor [6:02]
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think particularly when you hear you know, someone sort of rattle off, you know, seven or eight years worth of things that were in rapid succession. I it’s funny, I was just looking at, as you mentioned in the beginning, I’m a big fan of Seth Godin. And he just published a blog post, about 30 years of projects that he done. And I just think amazing to look at, you know, a two page document that encapsulate someone’s 30 years of hard work. So anyway, so yeah, when you look back on on on the stage of my life, that we’ve got to and we’re right, I think, you know, the only thing that I don’t really feel in the moment is those, those successes and failures don’t feel as grandiose in the moment as they do, looking back on them. I think, you know, it’s one of those things where where ease into them, or I’ve eased into successes, I mean, it’s never like, suddenly, the next day, there’s this big success that you weren’t expecting, I mean, you’ve been working towards it and missing it and working towards it and missing it. And then, you know, you hit 80% of what you set out to do, but then in hindsight that 80% was a major, you know, accomplishment. So I think, you know, there’s that constant ongoing piece for me about, you know, it’s it’s not as binary or as black and white as success and failure. It’s just it’s, it’s a constant journey, right. And as you say, it’s, it’s a roller coaster, I do my best. And I spent a lot of time focusing on reducing the emotional impact of that roller coaster has, for better or worse, this is the path we’re on. And so you got to enjoy the ride ride and not get too bogged down by the lows.
David Ralph [7:25]
Yeah, absolutely. But do you do you celebrate the successes? Do you do see those successes and jump on the nearest Spanish donkey and ride around the town? But that’s an image for you. Because I found since I’ve been doing this, I’ve had many successes, and I’m terrible at celebrating them. I kind of look at them and kind of go Oh, right achieved moved on to the next bit. Are you like that? Or you somebody that goes? Yes, I’ve done it. And for two days party like a lunatic party like it’s 1999.
Chris Taylor [8:00]
somewhere in the middle David, I learned years ago, this is probably 12 years ago, that there is something really powerful about celebrating the small wins that to the outside world may not actually be that big a deal. But to use something that you did that you take a personal satisfaction and you know, maybe for yourself, it’s a particularly strong interview where you go man, I just nailed that I hit every point that I wanted to we really pulled out some great stuff everyone, great celebrate,
David Ralph [8:24]
let’s just say if we were
Chris Taylor [8:27]
there’s no way to this show.
David Ralph [8:32]
Even if I’m on my own, and I’m holding Isabella.
Chris Taylor [8:37]
What I do David, and everyone’s got their own thing. I go and I buy a very, very small bottle of champagne. They sell in Canada, and here it’s Cava. But in Canada, they sell these 200 millilitre bottles of Henkel token, they cost about the price of a beer. And they’re you know, it’s terrible champagne, but it’s not even champagne. But the point is, that’s my sort of identifier of celebration. And I’ve started to make a habit of making it Tuesday’s Tuesday night instead of you know, pint after work, I’m going to drink this little bottle of champagne and you know, sort of cheers the world and my wife if she’s around, and and and celebrate the small wins as much as the big ones. I think we need to celebrate more of the little ones and not be waiting for the big monster success that, you know, as we sort of discussed earlier, just, you know, sneaks up on her doesn’t sneak up on you just happens over a long period of time.
David Ralph [9:25]
And do you generally have successes every week? or do some weeks, you’re just laying on the sofa with your bottle of champagne thinking? I’m not going to open new this week, I’m just going to be looking at you
Chris Taylor [9:38]
know, I think the point is to find something to celebrate, I think for those that are working hard every
day and not the result. It’s
20 minutes. Yeah,
David Ralph [9:47]
once you start doing there’s enough of success. I’ll just open the cupboard. Oh, that’s a success.
Chris Taylor [9:54]
Exactly. You got to find that balance point, I think for sure.
David Ralph [9:58]
So So, you know, we all can associate into actionable books, but I am very keen on the step before that. So when you was a young child, what was your sort of dream if if somebody and we’re going to send you back later on the Sermon on the mic, but if somebody said to Chris, when he was like a 10 year old, what did you want to be? What would have been your answer? I would imagine it wasn’t gonna be what you’re doing now.
Unknown Speaker [10:22]
Now, I wanted to be a filmmaker.
David Ralph [10:26]
I thought it was gonna be most of what you were gonna tell me about making films and making jaws five in your bathtub or something.
Chris Taylor [10:34]
But But well, if you want me to elaborate fine, absolutely. I’m happy. We that’s
David Ralph [10:40]
that’s a conversation. We elaborate. Oh, he’s not
Chris Taylor [10:43]
only you knows a back and forth. Oh, I didn’t realise that. David, thank you for explaining this. It’s the whole thing where I have to remind myself Breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out. Same sort of idea here. Right? That’s. So that’s exactly I think, you know, the storey is, is fairly comment, I think, for anyone who’s pursued some sort of art form. I mean, I, I discovered the family video camera when I was about 12 years old, fell in love with, you know, what you could do and create and started making, you know, stop animation videos with action figures of you know, record for half a second and stop and then, you know, move the arm a little bit. And I was recording on I mean, you know, it’s VHS tapes, right or not even back then. And yeah, I pursued that right through school through high school, I was really fortunate there was my high school was a pilot for the county to determine whether it made sense to spend a ridiculous amount of money on audio video equipment for high school students. And and I don’t think it did, but I had access to all this state of the art equipment, we had, like a TV studio in our high school. And so I really jumped into that. And I started, you know, convincing my teachers that they should let me make movies instead of taking accounting, and things like this. And they did. And so I was making movies all through high school. And then when I went to Universal City, I did one year of one sort of mistake year doing economics, which was just a bad decision, and then shifted my focus and went into film, in a different school across the country, and spent five no four glorious years, making movies with other sort of grown up children that all believed in make believe and wanted to, to create something. And so it was, it was a tonne of fun and, and I think I would I still do it. I mean, I still do a little bit of stuff, both sort of personally as a hobby, but then also with the author interviews that I’ve been doing as a video component to it.
And, yeah, it was a lot of fun.
David Ralph [12:39]
There’s a lot of similarities. We have a lot of the conversations I’m having one of the taglines that we’ve got on the show, or the tagline is connecting our past to build our futures, because I’m a great believer now. But if we look back on the things that we love doing as a child, bears similarities that we should be doing as adults, because that’s our core passions, that’s the things that we would have done, even if we weren’t being paid for them. And all that sort of similarities. We’re both kind of making movies and constructing things, but you can now see in your life that fills you with that passion.
Chris Taylor [13:10]
100%. I mean, I think, you know, filmmaking is a form of maker, you know, you’re you’re creating something and bringing into the world, the thing that I always loved about film was that you couldn’t do it alone. I mean, you can, but it’s not the same. I mean, to make the sort of size of production that I was really interested in, it was a matter of working collaboratively with a team of people that were not employees. And when you were in school, I mean, it was, you know, they were all peers and collaborators. And so how do you sort of organise this loose mob into a, you know, productive team that really needs to work well together. And I, I was fascinated by that dynamic of it and loved the, you know, working ridiculous hours, and then, you know, relaxing and enjoying each other’s company and, and celebrating the winds. There’s that celebration piece again, I am starting to sound like an alcoholic, David, thanks a lot for that they’re doing a great job of painting a nice light that
David Ralph [13:59]
I have heard Pop’s during the show, and I’ve just wanted whether you’ve opened a few bottles as we’ve been going.
Chris Taylor [14:06]
I don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s just a bad connexion. That’s nothing to do with, with champagne at noon,
David Ralph [14:10]
every time you move your leg, another bottle goes off. I can hear it, Chris, I can hear it. I tell you well, as you as he was talking about making videos and all that kind of stuff do you miss because I was having a little rant with my kids the other day, and I’m at the age of 44. Now, and I’m looking forward to being at when I can just say anything I want and I don’t care if somebody gets upset. And my my father is now into that he just kind of opens his mouth and pretty much upsets people and doesn’t know that he’s doing it. And I was saying to them, you know, they were watching DVDs. And I was saying our DVDs are rubbish. When I was a kid we used a VHS or Betamax. You remember Betamax? Chris.
Unknown Speaker [14:49]
Absolutely. Yeah. A couple of Star Wars videos on better. Yeah,
David Ralph [14:53]
yeah. And used at the top loader ones that you slam down. It was like having a fridge in a drawer somewhere where you used to put these things in? The the thing that annoys me with DVDs that you didn’t get with VHS is is all the adverts at the beginning, which the thing won’t let you move past and you press the button and it says you cannot do this on this disc at this time. And if I just want to watch a film, I don’t want to watch all this stupid stuff beforehand. But on a VHS you could just wind forward Can you? Do you think we’ve gone back? We haven’t gone forward have we broke progress has stopped with the demise of VHS I think that we shouldn’t be able to be it’s kind of like other Nazi ism in DVD. It’s stopping me moving on with my life. When I want to, I should be able to press that button and get to the film. And I’ll tell you, I’m having a rant here. Actually, Chris, the thing that winds me up most with these DVDs is when they actually advert they put an advert of the film you can watch beforehand, and you can’t get past it until you actually watching the film before you get to watch. Is that terrible?
Chris Taylor [15:51]
Yeah. Well, I don’t know why you’re still watching DVDs, man. I mean, this is I was just thinking, when was the last time I watched a commercial I didn’t want to watch and it was when I was watching a DVD. So you know, in the last four or five years, some of us have moved into watching things digitally online. But you know, whatever, whatever works for you, David, are you saying I’m out of touch?
David Ralph [16:09]
Chris? Is that what you’re saying?
Chris Taylor [16:12]
No, I’m just suggesting that your kids may have some insight for you there on how to skip past those adverts by you know, different medium or something like that
David Ralph [16:19]
is wrong now, isn’t it? It is wrong. When I press a button, I’m not being allowed to live my life the way that I want to live?
Chris Taylor [16:26]
The button should do what the buttons supposed to do. It has one function it should do it. I totally agree.
David Ralph [16:30]
I think that is this the tagline for this show. And I want all my listeners to jot that down the button should do what the button should do. I think I think you could build a whole career for them that that is absolutely perfect. Seth Godin would like that. But if you speak to say, so he would write a whole book on that. So if we go back to sort of books and stuff, when when did the first you know the passion for the actual book books come about? It was the your own personal development? Was it you you started reading books and looking at them? And then that gave you the idea? odd go further back than that?
Chris Taylor [17:03]
No, I mean, I think you know, I’ve always been an avid reader, my mom was a teacher growing up. And so you know, I’ve always been big into reading, I’ve always enjoyed fiction, in particular, when I ran my first sort of real job, if you will, was leading a sales team, immediately after university. And there’s a longer storey, but it basically went very well. And then due to sort of ego and hubris crashed, and I started reading at that point, when I was at the bottom of, you know, financial ruin, and not knowing where I was going with my life. And I, you know, I was 24 years old, 2023 years old. And it was, you know, sort of all crumbling around me. And I started reading to try to, I think, originally to blame somebody, I mean, I wanted to read something in a book and be like, see, if I just known that, then I would have been fine. But, but I started reading and found that, you know, I was consuming these books at the spurious pace. And there was really good stuff in there, but I wasn’t doing anything with it. I was reading it going, Oh, that’s interesting. And then moving on. And I started to get frustrated with the fact that I was consuming these great books, you know, these, you know, business books, The Good to Great and seven habits and thinking Grow Rich, and these sort of, quote, unquote, classics, and not not applying anything. And so I am on this mission, basically, we’re back in 2007. I committed to reading a book a week for a year and not just reading a book. But taking one idea from that book, and putting it into practice. Because I thought, you know, enough is enough, I got myself into the position that I’m in through what I already know. And so it’s that whole idea, right? That what got you here won’t get you there, and wanted to sort of advance. And so yeah, actionable book started as a blog, and started as a place for me to share the learnings that I was taking from these books with people that were interested in applying the ideas into their life. And it’s grown, we now have almost 600, free business Book Summaries on the site. Thankfully, I’m no longer writing all of them, there is a team of 93 or 94 volunteers that produce those summaries. And we’ve got a great little community growing up around this, I idea that ideas are only valuable when they’re applied.
David Ralph [19:03]
So your life at the moment, you have created this thing, which for the people out there who want to create a business, a blog, or a podcast, or anything online, is possibly one of the cheapest ways of doing it. And now you’ve taken it to such a level that you can almost step back and be strategic and all the kind of the stuff that To be honest, Chris gets you down or does kind of bits and bobs in the social media and all that kind of stuff that takes up all your time, you’ve actually got a free rein to push it in the direction that you want.
Chris Taylor [19:36]
Well, to an extent I mean, it’s not not quite I’m still I mean, I’m actively involved on the sales front, I’m actively involved on the content development front. I also manage our consultant programme, which is a licencing model. That’s its global. So you’re right. I mean, from the social media standpoint, from the sort of accounts and financial management piece. For the marketing side, we’ve got we built a fat let’s team. And so there’s really great people that are working with actionable who are leading different sections of that, but no, I certainly wouldn’t say I’m lounging on the beach enjoying cocktails just yet, but I love what I’m doing. Truly, I know people say that, but I do. I mean, I can’t imagine spending my days any other way than I do. And getting a chance to chat with people like yourself and talk about the company, it’s a, it’s a lot of fun, I’m having a great time with them.
David Ralph [20:21]
But you would get down to the beach, but you’re so drunk on champagne, you can’t back it down there. And that’s the only thing that hold you back. Couldn’t make it downstairs exactly ready to make it down the stairs. So if your team is your team, a virtual team, are you based in Spain, or are you scattered all over the world?
Chris Taylor [20:41]
Now we’re scattered intentionally. So. So since day one, we’ve never had a physical office, we’ve always focused on I focused on attracting the right people regardless of where they live. And so now we have a team of eight spread between six time zones and four countries. And we connect on a daily basis in the case of a lot of us, and then on a weekly basis for just about everybody, and on a monthly basis for the couple that are doing their own thing. And, yeah, so we continue to grow that way. And we meet up physically once a quarter or so and then for for most of the core team in North America, and then globally, we meet up on an annual basis. And it’s not for everybody that format, but it certainly suits everyone on my team. And we have a lot of fun with it.
David Ralph [21:25]
Well, I was having a conversation with a chap last night and we were waxing lyrical about this. And it kind of comes from the sort of Tim Ferriss four hour workweek, where you can, you know, remotely operate across the globe. But the brilliance about what you’re doing is number one, you’re covering 24 hours with the time zones, when you’re asleep, somebody else is working on when they’re asleep, you’re working and vice versa. And how many businesses do that 24 hours a day doesn’t really happen. And the other beautiful beauty about that is you you are saying to the people who are on your team, here’s your task, go and do your task, I’m not going to manage you. But effect. If you don’t do it, when I asked for it, you in trouble, would that be about mine.
Chris Taylor [22:05]
Except for the front end, we do it collaboratively. So I have a clear vision that I share once a year as far as where we’re going. And then as a group, we discuss the most effective way to get there. So while technically their employees have actionable, and technically I’m their boss, it really, truly it’s a collaborative process. And I just make sure that we hire the right people on the front end. I mean, I’ve you know made those mistakes in the past, but I don’t I mean, my style is not to manage my style is to collaborate and support. And so when we talk about it, I mean, they’re the ones that are making the commitment to when it’s going to be done, and what it’s going to look like. And my job is to support them. And, and it works well it works really well in that format. Because I don’t need to know what I want to be managing, you know, the various pieces along the way, we’ve got great people that haven’t been ownership on their own piece of the business.
David Ralph [22:53]
But that’s how business should operate. I think that was the key point to when I left my job. I think the leap of faith left my nine to five job, because I realised that I’d been doing it longer than anyone else. And I was still getting new managers that were coming in telling me what to do. And it used to really annoy me, I think I’ll just leave me to it. I can do it better than you anyway. And I don’t mean that arrogantly, but I could. And I just thought to myself, surely you should just let the people play to the streams and do the task. And whether they want to do it at three o’clock in the morning or nine o’clock in the morning. And whether they want to do a bit and then stop because they want to go and see their kids in a school play or something and then start again, the bottom line is have you done it? And are you doing it really well. And the loyalty that you must build up from these people. It must be beyond anything that you could get in a corporate gig.
Chris Taylor [23:44]
I’d like to think so. Yeah. I mean, there’s, you know, people stay with the company for longer, I think than the average time particularly with, you know, smaller, smaller younger company like ours. I think we have a lot of fun. You know, we joke around a lot. And there’s a lot of great sort of collaboration and sense of unity and we’re working towards, but I totally hear you. I mean, I think you know, one of the reasons in the corporate world why that sort of management piece comes into place that micro management piece is is twofold. One is I think a lot of companies don’t hire properly. I think they hire for technical skill first and culture alignment last or not at all. And I think that that’s that’s backwards, I think the the only way that I found to make this work is really getting clear on here’s where we’re going as a company, does that align for you. And tell me about that. So I can hear the actual enthusiasm. Then secondly, here’s how we operate. And it’s not for everybody, you have complete autonomy and control, which sounds great, but but you know, doesn’t work for a lot of people, they need some direction structure. So appreciating that. And then let’s talk about the technical skill as far as what you need to do and how you do it. And so many companies to me, now I’ve got a rant going here, so many companies, to me go in the other direction of let’s hire for technical skill first and figure out the rest later, then they realised that holy cow, this doesn’t work. And I need to stay totally on top of this person in order to make sure they’re doing what they need to do. Because either there is no alignment, or I haven’t taken the time to figure out what that alignment is. So rather than risk it, I’m going to you know smother them, because it’s my ass on the line is their boss too. Because you know, the metrics are tied to me yada, yada. And so I think, yeah, it’s your point companies that get this right, thrive, and the employees love working there. And the companies have way better profitability, because they’re, you know, to your point, instead of having all these new managers come through, you build these intact teams that have a strong sense of alignment and connexion to one another. I mean, we’ve been through some fairly trying times as a team, you know, particularly with the core core group, we’ve been together now for just over two years. And it’s a you know, we’ve gone through some very lean patches, and it’s that whole trial by fire thing where you really come out stronger if you survive, and you come out stronger and more sort of fused out the other side. So I have no idea what the original question was, David, but this is my opinion on
David Ralph [26:01]
it was I valuable rent to put out to the world not as valuable as my DVD rain? I think that really is. Yeah, that that’s the thing that the, that the world needs. When you know, I really want to jump back to when you were saying when you were 2324 everything was unravelling. Because that seems to be a fascinating part of most people’s lives. Where, if I look back to the time we call it, the big.on Join Up Dots. But the time when they look back and go, Oh my god, that was a dreadful time. I really wouldn’t want to go through that again. But God, I wouldn’t be here now. Are we bout it? Would that be the same sort of answer that you would supply? Looking back to when you were 2324? And everything was unravelling?
Chris Taylor [26:45]
Yeah, that’s, that’s certainly one of the biggest ones. That’s probably the biggest one for sure.
David Ralph [26:49]
So how did that happen?
Chris Taylor [26:52]
Sorry, I was gonna try to embrace this. Yeah, I was gonna embrace this whole conversation thing and and keep talking there. But yes. The How did it start unravelling? I think, you know, I this will sound mildly arrogant until I get to the point about me being in total ruin. I marched through my adolescence and high school and university days without any major setbacks of any kind, really, you know, like I, you know, man, when I finished university, all for my grandparents were still alive. You know, like, I literally never had any sort of major issue in my life going into those years. And so you sort of start to think that, you know, there’s been little setbacks, but you start to think, well, if I set that path, then that’s the path that I’ll end up on, because that’s what’s happened for the last, you know, 20 some odd years. And you don’t really know anything, for me, I didn’t really know anything otherwise, and to go from, so that the sales business that I was running, I mean, I had 120 sales reps at one point. And, you know, we were one of the top three offices in North America to about 1000 offices and making lots of money, lots and lots of money. And so I, you know, you got a 22, I figured that I had this all figured out, this business thing was a piece of cake. You know, this was the path of my life, now I would, I would move into that place where all I could do is or all I had to do was strategy. And, you know, checks would keep rolling in, and I’d buy the boats and the extra house and the whole thing, right, and then that went straight to my head. And I became extremely egotistical and focused on the wealth exclusively, and started to look at all the people on my team is dollar signs rather than actual people. And then of course, the whole thing falls apart. And so it did, it fell apart, I ended up you know, about $90,000 in debt, which, to an entrepreneur doesn’t sound like a tonne, but at the time, it was a 23. On top of student loans, it feels like a lot. Plus, it was terribly managed. So I had about seven or eight collection agencies coming after me trying to get their money back. You know, it was it was a bad scene. And so and I just ignored it, I just, you know, I that stack, I literally had a clipboard on my desk, where every time a new bill came in, that I couldn’t pay, I would just shove it on the clipboard. And this clip was was you know, bent within inches of it’s a millimetre of its life. Because of so many ability, there must be hundreds of bills packed into this Flipboard. And it just sat on my desk. And so every time I came to the office, I would that’s the first thing I would see is 100 and change bills that I couldn’t pay. So you can imagine what that does for your psyche on a daily basis.
David Ralph [29:17]
using raw, I would have he didn’t know, to me not sure,
Chris Taylor [29:21]
This was more of like, this thing could kill a small animal. And I have to pay that at some point. And so that was it was great, great for my motivation and psyche. And so I ended up sort of curling up in a ball, you know, not physically, but but mentally and, and just shut down. And then my parents came out. So I was in Vancouver, on the west coast of Canada, and my parents were in Toronto, there’s about 4000 kilometres away. And they flew out and took me out for lunch, and put a check for $600 in front of me and said, this can be a plane ticket home, or whatever you want to do with it. If you want, you can move back to the basement and curl up rent free. And so that’s what I did, I cashed the check, bought a plane ticket flew home. And that’s actually when I started reading was when I was in my parents basement. And it started because I went I was wandering around the house aimlessly probably, you know, in my pyjamas at two o’clock in the afternoon. And I went into my my father’s den. And he had a In Search of Excellence copy of In Search of Excellence on his desk from like 1983 and around his credenza. And I opened it up and started flipping through this and thought this is really interesting. This is dated, but this is really interesting. And so then I I started reading at that point, that’s where it all sort of started for me. Do you
David Ralph [30:47]
remember how you felt when that check was put in front of you? Because I would struggle to accept that even if I really needed is? How when they put it through? Did you? Was it worse for you? Because it was your parents? So giving it to you? or How did you feel?
Chris Taylor [31:03]
Yeah, I mean, they were pretty good about it, they made it easier in the sense of they almost treated it like tough love. And I think it was legitimately I mean that they said this is the last money that you’ll receive from us. So do with it as you will. And so it was you know, and I didn’t you know, I didn’t break down and hug them and thank them so much. I mean, again, there is that sense of for me at the time there was that ego still a play saying I don’t know if I need this. And I don’t know if I want this and this sort of thing. And, you know, it’s funny how memory can shift over time. And I honestly don’t recall what my exact reaction was in the moment. My belief of that moment was that I was somewhat non committal one way or another. And then, you know, I do know that I took a few days to sort of figure it out and decide what I was going to do. They’d flown home. And I was still sort of wandering around the beach in the streets of Vancouver trying to figure out what I wanted to do. But, yeah, it’s I think it is really hard to accept, particularly when you’ve committed to a path for way longer than rationally you should have to accept particularly someone else’s urging that it’s time to end that path and consider a new direction. So that was the first time I think ever David that I had, you know, had a path that I was on, and it had been fully committed to at some point, and then said, I need to completely shift direction, sir. And that’s that’s a that’s a big thing. It’s a tough thing to do when you’re a kid. Well, we generally
David Ralph [32:31]
think he totally is, you know, if you put all that much effort into something and it doesn’t pan out. But I suppose the lessons from bad is, there’s no such thing as a wasted experience, you have taken elements of that time. And you have decided I won’t do that again. For example, I will use drawers and I’ll put all the bills in there and close it up so I can see it. And layer champagne bottles on the top just so it looks better as well. But you can take those failures, you can take those tips, and you can blend them into something else. And that’s really what Join Up Dots is about, it’s about saying to listeners, but nobody has got the answers, whether you’re looking at the Donald Trump’s the Richard Branson’s or whatever, they’ve had mistakes, they’ve had failures. But there are certain points when you do actually have to sort of accept that I you need help. And I suppose you need to be gentle on yourself, you’ve got to stop beating yourself up and go Okay, guys. Yeah. Or that wasn’t what I planning. But next time, it’s going to be better and just, you know, almost celebrate the failure as right. I won’t do that, again. Let’s move on. What do you think about it?
Chris Taylor [33:37]
No, I totally agree. And I think, you know, the sooner that we can get to a point is it sooner in our lives that we can get to a point where we appreciate that everyone falls down, as you say and it’s it’s literally inevitable if you’re actually pursuing something that really matters to you that you will fall down. At some point, I have yet to meet someone who has gone through life, then pursuing something of meaning and hasn’t bruised their knees and scuffed up their elbows. And so I think the sooner we can get comfortable with that. And the sooner we can move into that rhythm of I’m going to try something, hopefully it works. If it doesn’t, I’m going to look what I’m going to see what I can learn from it, I’m going to apply that to the next level and go to the next one. And I’ve started thinking about it much more in terms of sort of climbing a mountain with going up and then a plateau, then maybe a bit of a down and then going back up but going higher than you did before. And then a plateau. And thinking about that in terms of Okay, this is the next plateau. And so now that I’m here, I need to figure out what I learned from the last stage of the climb. And then I need to reevaluate where the next stage of the climb goes. And maybe you know from the bottom of the mountain, that path that made sense as a clear line straight up actually has a little more zigzag to it, because you know, going around that boulder is actually going to be a lot easier or a lot more fun or a lot more interesting. And so I’ll go that way instead, and still working my way up. But I’ll do it on a path that makes sense. As I get closer to the to the moment of decision.
David Ralph [34:57]
I’m going to play two of them motivational speeches in a moment that we play generally at this time of the show. But I was talking to a lady back on episode 88, I think it was called Caprio doubt. And she is the first lady to get to the top of Everest on both sides of the south and the east side or north and south side. And I was saying to her, you know, it must be amazing to get to the summit and stand there thinking to yourself, I’m at the top of the world. Looking down on creation, there’s always a somewhere. And she said to me, it wasn’t so much to getting to the top. But she lied. It was the process, it was the process of Can I actually do that. And that’s what you’re saying there isn’t it? It’s the actual one step after another and stumbling around bad rock and moving over there. And then realising Okay, I’ve come this far, let’s go to the next point. And actually getting to the peak, you rarely are ever going to get to the peak, because once you get to the top, there’s another top to keep on going.
Chris Taylor [35:55]
Well, I think also, you know, I love the fact that you interviewed someone who has actually literally done what I just used as an analogy. So it’s fabulous. The the part to me though, is that even if you do get to that peak, even if you have that defined version of the peak, and you get there, my belief and my experience, you know, on the the few sort of smaller peaks that I’ve reached so far, is that it’s a shallow victory if you didn’t enjoy the process to get there. And if you didn’t create a lifestyle to get there that mattered to you. Because, you know, earning that whatever, whether its financial fame for whatever, if you do it and you get there broken, having, you know, destroyed all your relationships and your health and your ability to enjoy the moment. I don’t know what that is, I don’t know what, you know, how does that how does that really success. And so I think it’s important to I mean, you know, enjoy the journey is such a cliche, but it’s my experience, it’s the most important part for increasing your longevity and ability to pursue those higher peaks.
David Ralph [36:53]
I agree with you totally on that, Chris, I’m gonna I’m gonna play a words of a man now. And I normally will say who this person is, but I’m going to play and you might have heard this, and so you will know who he is. But if not see if you can guess. And these I love these words, I’ve started sort of throwing these into the show every now and again. Listen to this,
Jim Carrey [37:09]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love. What do you think about that? Do
David Ralph [37:37]
you know who that is?
Chris Taylor [37:39]
That’s Jim Carrey. And I was an address. It’s it’s Yeah, it’s a great speech. Oh, you’re good. You are good. Yeah, Jim Carrey. But
David Ralph [37:47]
that is so spot on, isn’t it? You know, I love that when I first heard about I got shivers down my spine. And I felt inspired. And I could hear the Rocky Music Playing behind me. And I felt like running up with a dog. And we’re below the children running behind me and all that kind of stuff. You cannot fail to be inspired by those words. But so many people do not do that, do they? They go for the easy option. And that’s where finding out more and more times on this show. So many people have said to us, we have started moving on in our life, when we realise actually making your own income is a safe choice. working for somebody who can ultimately decided they don’t like your face one day and get rid of you is the risky choice, there’s no there’s no job for life anymore. And if you can find that passion that you’re doing, and you’re building a company that is global, and it’s providing value to the world, then you are doing something that you love, and you’re more likely to be successful, I would imagine.
Chris Taylor [38:47]
Yeah, I would agree. You know, I don’t know if you knew this or not David, but I just finished reading a book called be on the picket fence. And it’s called free, the subtitle is freedom, happiness and the choices that get us there. And and it’s really, you know, the last couple years of my life, I’ve been focused on on this on these deliberate choices that people make in regards to creating a path or life sort of design that makes sense for them, not on somebody else’s terms, not on what sort of the status quo is but on their own terms. And the one thing that I’ve discovered through that, is that yes, absolutely, I think, you know, if you can build an enterprise that, you know, you’re able to lead, and it allows you the freedom and flexibility and financial, to you know, sort of pursue what you want to pursue. Fabulous. And I think, you know, coming back to our last point, I think it’s really important that you know, what it is that you want to pursue, and start to experiment with those things, to not just be working towards an end goal, but actually enjoying the path. And we can talk about that. But I think one of the really important parts to me a big wake up call was that sometimes building that house with the white picket fence, and the 2.3 kids and the dog, and you know, the the more sort of normalcy, if you will, particularly by sort of North American standards as to what the ideal life is that great, great American Dream sort of thing. It’s not, I don’t think it’s a black and white if it’s good or bad. I see people who are living that life deliberately, not just by default, but chose that life, and are, are so happy in that life. And I have so much respect for that, where my focus and my interest and what really gets me excited these days, is not so much what someone’s life looks like. But the the decisions that they made the fact that they consciously said, This is what I want my life to look like, this is what I enjoy. And this is what I appreciate it, I’m not gonna I’m not gonna let anybody define that for me, whether it’s the status quo, trying to tell me that I shouldn’t live in Spain, or whether it’s the people that are travelling the globe, saying, How could you be in such a boring lifestyle is that and I think you know, that the, I know that the people that I see that are happiest in my life, are the people that have made those deliberate choices and pursued them on their own terms with their spouse, family partner, what have you, but not, you know, sort of buying into the opinions of others in regards to that.
David Ralph [41:05]
I’m going to play some more words now. And these are the sort of real theme of the show. And this is Steve Jobs, I could have sat listening to you all the time there. And I was listening to you so intently that I forgot what I was going to ask afterwards. So I’m going to follow this is professionalism at its best. So when when I can’t think of what to say, I bring in Steve Jobs. So these are the words of Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [41:27]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [42:02]
Did those words mean anything to you, Chris?
Chris Taylor [42:06]
Yeah, I you talking about listening to a man speak? I can listen to Steve Jobs speak for four hours? I think. Yeah, absolutely. I had a great conversation with the gentleman named Mitch Joel. Probably about a year and a half ago, I guess. He launched his new book called Control, Alt Delete. And you know, sort of superficially the books about the tech space and about our interaction with with new media. But it was an interesting conversation, because it went very quickly to this idea of squiggly careers is our school guests weekly careers is what Mitch called it. And it was this idea that, you know, there are people out there that from a superficial look, or when they tell you what their next stage of life is looking like, it doesn’t seem to make any sense. You know, Mitch went from being a journalist to being a music producer, to being an advertising guy. And it’s kinda like, well, but shouldn’t you just commit to one of those and follow through. And as much as now, I mean, the three major indices storeys that he worked through over the course of 10 years, really started to find and strengthen the what he has now what he’s created, but he never could have defined that up front. I’m a huge proponent of the fact that we don’t know what our life should look like, at the age are very few of us do anyway, at a young age, you know, we come out of university. And you know, if you’re faced with that question of what do I want to do for the next 35 years? I think it’s a ludicrous question. I think, first of all, we have no idea what the world’s going to look like, in 10 years, let alone 35 years, Jobs that exists now didn’t exist five years ago. And so we don’t we don’t know, right, we don’t know what that looks like. What we can do, though, is we can determine what excites us right now what you know, what we can see as being something that we could be all consumed by. And I think we need to temper it with a is there potential for revenue here. I don’t think we spend a tonne of time on it. But I do think we need to at least address the fact that we do need to earn money to to live or most of us do. And then I think we need to pursue it. I mean, if something really grabbed you, you’re curious and inspired by it, you got to do it, you just gotta jump in and try it out. And you know, coming back to the earlier point, we will bang our knees and we will reach that ends. And we will have to turn around two points. But by and large, you know, you’re going to learn something from the experience, and you’re going to be exposed to the next thing that arouses your curiosity, you know, the business that I’ve built up here, I could never, there’s no way I could have envisioned this. You know, seven years ago, when I started the business. This is not I’m not talking about from a success standpoint, I’m thinking from like, where I spend my time and how I’m engaging with the people in our community, and the fact that we have a community and what they look like, I mean, all of those things are things that have happened because myself and then as we’ve grown, the team, and certainly my wife along the way, have said, Well, this is interesting, I wonder what would happen if we try that. And going in with that sense of curiosity and humility. To me, it just leads to a really happy life and one that continues to grow and and connect the dots as you go. I think
David Ralph [44:58]
if you look back on your last seven years, and you go, I can’t picture where we are now, this is success. Where can the success lead to we’ve actionable books and actionable interviews and stuff? Do you do you have a vision in your head, but you sort of lay in bed or you’re in the bath? And you think, Well, I’m not going to share this with anyone, but this is what I’m planning? Or is it something that just naturally occurs due to the conversations and the movement of the business as a whole?
Chris Taylor [45:26]
Yes, I think it’s I think it’s both David, I think, you know, I’m constantly I think it’s really healthy to be sort of future visioning as to, you know, where could this go? And, and what could this look like, and then, you know, if that excites you, then put the best plan in place to move towards that. But then you gotta let it go. I mean, things come up, and things impact that and things change, and new opportunities come up or new roadblocks come up. And I’m not suggesting for a second that that, you know, you should be heavily influenced by outside factors. But I also think you need to be intelligent about it. And if there’s something else that comes up, that’s more interesting to you more exciting and potentially more lucrative than the original path you were on. I think you’re foolish just to say, Well, I’m sticking with this path, because this is the path that I committed to Well, okay, but who were you proving that to? And what are you proving? So I think it’s the combination of the two. So yes, I do have sort of that lofty vision of where actionable can go. And it’s exciting. And I can see about five out of the hundred steps necessary to get there. You know, and a lot of them, I just don’t know what I don’t know. And I also appreciate that it will probably change over the next, you know, 235 years, it will pivot maybe in a small way, maybe in a major way. And as long as it’s something that holds true to my values, and my team is excited about it, and it can provide financial income for my family and my team, then I’m all for it, and I’m going to pursue it.
David Ralph [46:42]
Well, what do you think about the phrase that so many people say to me, but you don’t have to worry about building a business, you just have to provide value. And if you provide enough value, then the monetary rewards will come your way? Do you believe that? Or is that a simplistic view? Because I know so many of our listeners are getting that kind of inkling to start their own business or create a blog, all those kind of things, but they had that image instantly. But I’m in a job, I don’t like this job, I need to make money, should they focus on that side? Or should they focus in on the value if they are looking for escape route from the situation that they’re in?
Chris Taylor [47:18]
I think everyone’s in a different situation, obviously. I mean, when I started actionable, I had $600, in my bank account, and about $4,000 in investments, and that was it. So you know, I needed to figure out fairly quickly, where I was going to, you know, be able to pay rent and eat. So I think, you know, for myself, there was a necessity to generate some revenue. And I did, I was doing social media consulting, and then I was doing some sort of freelance sales stuff, I think one of the things that we shouldn’t do is confuse the long term growth plans with short term cash flow needs, you know, if your idea is to grow something by providing exceptional value, and there’s a monetization strategy attached to it, at some point, fabulous, and I would say pursue that and don’t try to monetize, hold off monetizing as long as you can, in order to build that that community up and appreciate that you may also need to get a job at Starbucks in order to you know, pay the rent. And so you know, that balance between the two is is important, I think, you know, where entrepreneurs go wrong, is when they spend three months building a community and then try to monetize it. And they get frustrated with the fact that they’re only making $36 a month for monetization. And then they quit and give up and go back to the job. It’s, I get it. I mean, I understand there’s a lot of moving parts with starting a business. But you got to take a long term view, and it’s been really interesting is that our community really started about five years ago. And in the last, in the last six months, more people have come out of the woodwork that are talking about things that happened five years ago, than ever before. Like, I just I had this lower it was like, you know, I have my sort of core people that came up right away. And then we’ve got this growing community of anonymous faces that I don’t actually know. And now there’s these people, this huge influx, literally dozens of them in the last six months, coming out saying, Hey, I remember when you started this, and I want to buy that, you know, not quite in those words. But my point here is that that was five years right of building a community to generate a couple dozen clients from that original community list. And I’m not saying that, you know, we haven’t made money along the way we have. But it’s just really fascinating to me that I never looked at our community as a pool for potential clients, it was sort of a side thing. And now it’s starting to have that effect. Which is, which is just a really interesting time frame, obviously, clearly haven’t fully thought it out yet. But it’s, it’s just really fascinating to me, that took five years.
David Ralph [49:43]
Now, I do think you have to hope that because I’m building this and when I started it, it was just to get an audience and destroy it. I just need an audience. Now I’ve got the audience, people are saying to me, are you monetizing it, and at the moment, I’m not monetizing it at all, because I want to make sure that when I do it, it’s below, right reasons. And I want to make sure that the clients that come on board, the sponsorship is right for me and the listeners, and I’m not going to mess around with that in any shape or form. But I do have people giving me advice all the time saying you should be doing it. Now you should be reaching out to sponsors, you should be doing that. And I’m kind of siloed once I get it to the point that it is really a brand and people know, I think that’s going to take care of itself. And that’s just going to happen. And Ben, I can be choosy, I’m not going to go out reaching for people, but I don’t really know, just for the sake of making money. But there is that tipping point. And when my kids cable box that they’re sleeping in starts to get a bit soggy, I might have to earn a bit money to buy another cardboard box so that they they’ve a bit more comfortable at night.
Chris Taylor [50:44]
Yeah, I hear that. And I agree to an extent I also think that for me, anyway, and again, obviously everything’s different, everyone’s different. But I found that for me, knowing what it is that I want, even if I’m not necessary putting it out there. So you know, in the case of a podcast do filling out what the numbers look like, what would sponsorship potentially be. And just knowing what that is allows for me, it’s sort of wakes my mind up to opportunities that I may have missed otherwise. And so I think that, you know, it’s important to going back and myself a little bit here, it’s important to build out that community as long as possible, and identifying what it is that you ultimately want and what type of sponsors or in the case of somebody who’s looking to sell their business, you know what, what type of company would acquire us? And what would that look like? And what would they want to see? And you know, things like that I think we can get taken by surprise and being someone else’s dead because they have been planning and thinking about it. And so now we’re sort of on their playbook. Whereas if we can think about it and plan it out ourselves, even if we’re not having the conversations were that much more ready to go when the conversation when we are ready to have the conversations or if they come up. So I think it’s sort of that tip of the iceberg thing where we do you need to under the surface be, you know, sort of a little more strategic than what might appear to be on the surface.
David Ralph [51:59]
You’ve changed my in that one moment. You’ve changed me, show me the money. That’s That’s all I’m thinking about. I don’t care what I’m going to do with my life. Show me the money, I’ll become a prostitute suddenly, instantly. I think that’s the first time I’ve ever said prostitute in any show you brought me was to tell you that was the that’s what you took away. That’s good. David.
Chris Taylor [52:17]
I’m glad that’s what my resonating point was fabulous. I clearly My work here is done.
David Ralph [52:22]
You have given me actionable steps. And it’s it’s to Yeah, to prostitute myself for money. It says, you’ve you’ve brought me down. You’ve started off by drinking heavily. And now you you’ve moved me into areas I don’t want to go.
Chris Taylor [52:37]
Fabulous. Yeah, that’s what I’m here for prostitution and alcohol. Good stuff. I’ve never said those on a podcast either. No, there you go. Yeah, you don’t get that on a yoga
David Ralph [52:43]
idea. It’s all about do you want to ignite? No, we want to get drunk and no, shouldn’t shouldn’t be going that way. Right? Okay, just before the end of the show, what I want to do is put you on the mic. And this is the part of the show, Chris, that we call the Sermon on the mic. And this is when we send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time, what age Chris, would you choose? Would it be the sort of five year old Chris, would it be the Chris who’s battered and bruised at the age of 23? Or would it be just a couple of years ago, so I’m going to play the tune. And this is you up, this is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [53:21]
Here we go with
Unknown Speaker [53:25]
Chris Taylor [53:42]
So if I was talking to my former self, I would go back probably about five years. And I would go back to the stage where I was working a full time job and I was running actionable. I was at the point where I was looking to leave the full time job to focus on actually full time.
Unknown Speaker [54:02]
And I was
Chris Taylor [54:03]
jumping in, I think for for all
for all the right reasons and the wrong reasons. So let me frame this up here. So I would say, Chris, make, make sure that the How would I put this think broader, think bigger than the here and now think bigger about people telling you what you should be doing, or where you should be spending your time. Think bigger and further out than other people’s fears and other people’s concerns. Think with clarity about where you want to go and why for yourself. I think Chris, you have a habit of looking at the world through the lens of other people and doing things to prove them wrong wrong, or to show them that you are capable of doing those other things. I think you let their fears influence you in the opposite, where you want to overcome those fears for them. And I think that all of those things can be powerful motivators, but they need to be balanced with what you want, and what you’re working towards. And what makes you happy in the pursuit of doing that. I think that you need to be okay with the fact that you are providing value to the world. And so you can charge for that value and appropriate rates. And you don’t need to feel like you need to be giving it away for free or you’re ripping them off. In regards to anything, I think you need you, I’d encourage you to think about taking care of the people that are most important in your life financially, as well as, you know, pursuing the things that you want to be pursuing. I think this is the most serious conversation that you young Chris Taylor have had in the last five years. So I think, you know, it’s, I think it’s, it doesn’t need to be all doom and gloom. And that’s not the intention. But I think the point that I want to get across is that connecting with your core more connecting with what it is that as we wake up to yourself, wake up to what it is that makes you happy, because I can tell you that five years from now, you are living your life, from a place of clarity on where you are, what makes you happy, and where you want to go and what you want to be accomplishing and why. And it goes much more from the distant.in the future being the cause of happiness, to being here now is happy, and I’m working towards that dot because I’m excited about you know, the challenges and overcoming that and continuing to grow and seeing what I’m capable of and what the business is capable of from an impact standpoint. But it’s not all or nothing it’s not about you know, that is success, that is happiness and everything leading up to it is you know, just a not necessarily necessary evil. You can enjoy the here and now and and you can do it now you don’t need to wait five years to reach that point. But you need to find a place to stay disconnected from to disconnect from the world to really zero in on what’s happening within you. Get away from the busy and and start to maybe reflect a little more, try some writing. Try talking to yourself on someone’s podcast and see how that goes for you. And really, you know, zero in on what matters to you. That’s what I would say.
David Ralph [57:31]
When I hope the young Chris pays attention because he’s got a bell to have a life and it’s all down to you young quest to make it what it is. I’m big Chris Taylor, how can people connect with you?
Chris Taylor [57:44]
So actionable, actionable books, calm is probably the best bet. If they want to connect on Twitter, I am act actionable, Chris. And then the book you can do a Google search for depending on when you’re listening to this. It’s called Beyond the picket fence, all about deliberate choices leading to a happier life.
David Ralph [58:00]
Well, I think that you’ve got a happy life. And you’ve made me happy for the last hour. So thank you so much for spending time with us today, joining up those dots of your life. And please come back again, when you have more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining those dots and connecting our past is the very best way to build our futures. Chris Taylor, thank you so much,
Unknown Speaker [58:18]
David, thank you. That was a lot of fun.
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