Codebox Joshua Millage Joins Us On The Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast
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Introducing Codebox Mr Joshua Millage
Codebox Mr Joshua Millage is today’s guest joining us on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots business coaching podcast interview.
This is a man who has a fascinating tale that so many people in the world today will resonate with.
Can you end up being too qualified for employment?
Can you end up having too much knowledge for a job, any job, so that the hiring employers consider you a risk and wont take you on?
Well the answer is yes, and our guest after demonstrating brilliant and forward thinking ideas whilst studying at Azusa Pacific University in California found himself in such a situation.
Life was looking good.
His work was being recognised by institutes such as Harvard and Cambridge and he was on a roll.
How The Dots Joined Up For Codebox
But then things changed, and he found himself at the first of many dots that has brought him to where he is today.
Unable to get employed in the USA, he took a job in China that turned out to be a bad move.
Then Joshua Millage contracted e-coli which was even more of a bad move, and at the age 25 found himself sleeping on his parents sofa, recovering from internal bleeding, and a career that was in free-fall.
So what did he do to pull himself out of a spiralling depression?
How did he get himself back into the game, when the game quite openly considered him a risk?
Well let’s bring onto the show to start joining up dots, as we discuss the words of Steve Jobs in todays podcast, with the one and only co-founder of codeBOX, Joshua Millage
During the show we discussed such weighty topics such as:
How there are two fears in life…big ones like sharks that can eat you, and small ones like doubts: One is worth getting away from, and the other we can all conquer
How he had a vision presented to him, that he would live in the Bay area of California, work in technology and become an entrepreneur……and all came true!
How people need to figure out themselves before they start chasing the dream!
How we should all know that we are climbing steps to success that won’t just keep going upwards, but every now and then flatten out, before climbing again!
How surfing is such a great metaphor for life as you fall off thousands of time, but have to keep on getting on again!
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Audio Transcription Of Mr Codebox Joshua Millage
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK. David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes, hello there. Good morning, everybody. Welcome to Episode 164. Oprah Join Up Dots is a funny show today. Not funny haha. But you know, slightly peculiar that the guy who’s on is actually almost a mate. Now I met him virtually. And the majority of shows that we have, will be with people that I’ve never spoken to until we’ve done the interview. And they connected two minutes beforehand, and we have a tiny little chat. And then we go, let’s record bang, we don’t. But this one’s a bit different. And we met had a couple of chats just, you know, affair, really. And we discussed things and we’ve talked things through. So it is like having a talk with a friend who I’ve done the friendly bit, and now I’m doing the interview. I’ve kind of done it the wrong way around. But I know he’s going to be a marvellous guest because he has a fascinating towel. But so many people in the world today will resonate with. Here’s a question for you. Can you end up being to qualify for employment? Can you end up having too much knowledge but a job any job? So that the hiring employers consider you a risk and won’t take you on? Well? The answer is yes. And our guest after demonstrating brilliant and forward thinking ideas while studying at Pacific University in California, found himself in such a situation. Life was looking good. His work was being recognised by Institute’s such as Harvard and Cambridge. And he was on a roll. But then things changed. And he found himself at the first of many dots but have brought him to where he is today. Unable to get employed in the USA. He took a job in China. Sounds good. Exotic. Well, yeah, people so but it turned out to be a bad move. Because while he was out there, he contracted he Cola, which was even more of a bad move, and at the age of 25, found himself sleeping on his parents sofa, recovering from internal bleeding and a career that was in freefall. So what did he do to put himself out of a spiralling depression? And how did he get himself back into the game when the game quite openly considered him a risk? Well, let’s find out as we bring on to the show to start Join Up Dots, the co founder of code box, and my mate, virtually the one and only Joshua Millage. How are you Josh?
I’m doing well. David, thank you so much for having me on the show. This is awesome. We should have done it months and months and months ago, didn’t we? And for some reason, I can’t even remember why didn’t happen. But we ended up just chatting and didn’t record anything.
Codebox Joshua Millage [2:48]
Yeah, and I think it was a couple of technical difficulties. And then I’ve been travelling all over the world. And now we finally get to do this and it’s one podcast to another so we’ve got good equipment. Good internet. Should be fun, man. I’m really excited.
David Ralph [3:02]
It’s gonna be crystal clear. So where are you at the moment cuz I know you have been travelling the world and enjoying yourself like a young man should but where are you sitting at the moment?
Codebox Joshua Millage [3:13]
I am about three blocks off from the beach in Santa Cruz, California. So I have my house. I’m a little surf shack here.
David Ralph [3:20]
I hate you Joshua. Didn’t you know? Is it the image but I’ve actually got in my head where you could actually just run out into glorious sunshine. I’m sitting here in darkness at the moment. With the first stages of putting our radiators on in the evening is just getting a little bit chilly. You kind of think should I put the heating on? And I bet you’re just sitting there with maybe a vest on and some shorts, and some flip flops, as we say or sandals, as you say in America. What is the images article?
Codebox Joshua Millage [3:51]
Yeah, you’re pretty close. It’s a little chilly. But it’s beautiful man, beautiful sunshine and Santa Cruz if anyone has been here or you know, we like to keep it locals only. So don’t don’t plan a trip out here. We’re kind of not that welcoming, which is weird for me because I’m from the Midwest, where it’s like, you know, I grew up in a place where you open your doors, anyone and everyone but yeah, it’s a beautiful city. Great people great coffee, great food, great everything and beautiful waves. So I just started surfing to David that that might pop its head up into the storey because Surfing is a beautiful analogy for for life, I think.
David Ralph [4:27]
And we’re not talking web surfing. We’re talking actually getting out and being chased with sharks and stuff.
Codebox Joshua Millage [4:32]
That is exactly correct. Yep.
David Ralph [4:34]
Did you know actually, we will talk about your life. But this is kind of fascinating. I knew this was going to be the problem just because we’ve already had a couple of these conversations and get structured David get structures of the show. But but do not ever worry about getting eaten by a shark because I would be terrified. really terrified. I know the sort of stats say that is unlikely to happen. But it’s never going to happen in a pole, is it?
Codebox Joshua Millage [4:59]
Yeah, you’re right. It is a weird experience, because I grew up in Indiana. And so I was lucky if I saw the ocean maybe once per year. Then I went to school in Los Angeles, I moved up here to Santa Cruz, which is the official Surf City and had a great friend who was like, you got to get in the water if you live here. And I lived here for like about a year and a half before I even jumped in. And he took me out. And you know, I’m asking about sharks, because it’s just natural, right? I never I’m like afraid of the ocean and never, never touched it growing up Really? wouldn’t answer. Yeah, exactly. And I’ve learned is in the Santa Cruz mentality, you don’t talk about sharks, because in your mind, they can’t exist. So to answer your question, I don’t know if it’s dangerous or not. I just know no one’s going to tell me about it or talk about it. Because that’s like bad juju. So you just get in the water, you focus on the waves, and you hope it’s all all good. He’s that key
David Ralph [5:53]
statement. And let’s go for the gold. This is what this show is all about. But being able to take a fear and actually pretend that it’s not avail. Is that a great way for our listeners to start building momentum in their life? Wow, what a question straight off the bat Look at that.
Codebox Joshua Millage [6:12]
Yeah, that’s a brilliant question. Well, I think there’s different types of fear. I think there’s these fears like, like sharks, where it’s like, the probability says, it’s not going to happen. It is scary. It’s like a nightmare in my head to think about getting, you know, bitten by a shark eaten by a shark. But But is it always just going to keep me out of the water? You know. And with those, it’s like, I think you just kind of go for it. Because if it’s, you know, if it’s going to happen, it’s going to happen. My dad had an amazing father who said, you know, in regards to death, you know, you’re bulletproof to your time. And, and I kind of like that, because it’s like, why live a life of worry, like, we all have an end date. And that’s going to happen, regardless of what happens in our life. Hopefully, we can extend it as long as possible. But something like a shark attack, like, if it was my time to go, it’s my time to go. So I might as well enjoy the waves. But then there’s these little fears to like, rejection on a sales call or something. And knows, I think just acknowledging that it’s a possibility. And just like, for me, I’m more conscious about those types of fear with the shark. I just, I tend not to think about it, but with the little business fears, I just acknowledge it, let it happen. I’m not I don’t want to come across as I’m some Titan that can get through all those fears. Because it’s not like to be completely truthful and honest, because I know you are David, I, you know, I pretty much had an anxiety attack this morning and had to rearrange some schedules, scheduling things and took a drive up the coast to a little town called Davenport just sat and let myself decompress.
David Ralph [7:51]
And so on, Josh,
Codebox Joshua Millage [7:52]
what brought that on, man, I wish I could tell you it’s like though it happened, you know, three hours ago or so. But I think think it was probably we’re as a company code box is in a different phase. As a person, I’ve realised that I’m in a different phase right now. And, you know, I mentioned earlier to in the pre interview that I just had returned from a trip in Thailand. And that was a really significant trip. It kind of bookended a chapter in my life that started in Sanya, which you mentioned in the pre interviews, is where I, you know, contracted e coli. And, and I think that chapter has ended, and I’m in a different chapter. And so it’s like, what does that mean? And for me, it’s right now I think it’s I don’t have a vision for this, this chapter in my life. And that scares me because I’m normally very precise of like, this is what I want. This is what I’m going for. Right now. I’m configuring that. And so it’s a bit feels a bit strange, and sometimes a little bit overwhelming. But I
David Ralph [8:57]
think that’s a brilliant position to be, you know, to know that you have finished a part of your life and it’s done and dusted. No regrets, you’ve moved on ready for the next bit? I think, right? Even if you don’t know what the next bit is just having that mindset of closure, that that’s hugely positive, isn’t it? Because there’s so many people out there, and I speak to them on a daily basis. But they’re trapped in that that Limbo land in between, where they don’t actually like what they’re doing, and they’re not sure what they should be doing. And by just kind of one foot in each camp, so for you to go, yeah, okay, I finished their job done. Boom. Let’s have a look around. Let’s read let’s take time off. Let’s let’s see what the world’s going to offer to me for a while. I’ve been a hugely positive and you should embrace it. Yeah, man.
Codebox Joshua Millage [9:44]
Yeah, and I doing the best I can. I think, you know, the the cool thing here is, you know, three years ago, in 2011, when I was in China, you know, I’m going to get a little spiritual for you here, because it’s who I am. But I really felt like God told me, you know, Joshua, you’re going to go to, you’re going to be in the Bay Area, you’re going to be in technology, you’re going to be an entrepreneur. And those are three very distinct things. I was like, Wow, that’s really strange. Like, what what’s going on here? And this is like, when I have Nikolai and I’m bleeding internally, wound up in three Chinese hospitals. So this is like, doesn’t make a lot of sense. Because the the map to the Bay Area, the map to be an entrepreneur, the map and to technology, like it did not exist, there was no like, next step of how I could even get close to that my network was in LA, I had, you know, I realised that I needed to go home to to get better in Indiana. So I’m like, gosh, I’m going to be an Indiana, the moon go to LA, because naturally, that’s where I’m my Connexions. There’s nothing up there. Like how is that even possible? Well, fast forward three years, I’ve started a company in technology, and I live in the Bay Area. And all of that has happened. And that moment, that visionary moment where I really felt like God’s presence was around me and that I had had this like, very clear cut vision of like, Where, where I’m supposed to go happened in a harbour in Sanya. And this kind of in peace, as I was journaling, I, I didn’t really put it together. But I was in a harbour in cope up Thailand, looking up, and I’m like, Oh, my gosh, I’m having like some weird deja vu here. And it was just this realisation like those things have happened. And that, that it’s going to be okay, like the next phase is going to be okay to, even though I don’t have a very clear vision of what that’s going to look like that, you know, everything does continue to work out for good. And so it’s been a wild ride, man, really wild.
David Ralph [11:45]
But I think that that’s a similar trait. I speak to so many people, and whether they say that it’s spiritual, whether they say that they believe in God, whether they just have faith in themselves. So many of them have said to me that same storey about, they heard a voice, they saw the light by had a vision, they had all these kind of ideas as to what they should achieve. And then they went after it. And I’ve been listening to these, and I’m not religious at all, I just totally, I don’t really understand it. Whether you know, I’m a great believer that if people do want religion, then it’s better for you. And it’s what you should be doing. But for myself, it’s never sort of found its place. But as these people have been saying these things to me, I suddenly thought, I remember having that same kind of thought, or what I suddenly need to do that kind of epiphany, or my life’s going to go. So we all had this kind of realisation. We just frame it in different ways. But it seems to be about the people that become movers and shakers and start overcoming those fears, and taking action are the ones that suddenly get given this kind of vision, which may even follow blindly. And I think it’s that ability to follow blindly. But get you going. What do you think?
Codebox Joshua Millage [13:03]
Yeah, I couldn’t agree more. I mean, I think we all have something inside of us. That’s that kind of points to our, our true north. And the people that sit around, and they’re kind of like, what I don’t feel like I have a passion or purpose. I think first off, they haven’t taken the time to sit by themselves usually and figure out what that true north is. And then secondly, they haven’t done anything, any sort of, they haven’t put anything in motion to go after it. And, you know, I think that the the, the internet age, in some ways has kind of hurt us, because we quickly see through social media, the successes, right? We see people who have just accomplished it, and then we paint this picture, we this movie, we let this real happened in our head of like, oh, and that happen through this X, Y and Z. We never talked to that person about what that journey looked like, we just assume that we know. And we tell ourselves It was like a lotto ticket experience. But you know, you’ve you’ve interviewed tonnes of people. Rarely is it if effort like that, you know, it’s a lot of hits in the face a lot of lot of bloodshed it away, you know, of learning things really hard. And I think if you look, you know, history does repeat itself, you look at anyone who has achieved anything in life, and you read their biography, you realise that, that their, their, their journey. While it’s different, it’s unique to them. And it has a lot of that involved. It has a lot of hardship, and a lot of times where they weren’t sure what was going to happen, you know, but what let’s
David Ralph [14:33]
play a speech I like I don’t play it very often. But it’s one of my favourite speeches. And it says a lot about what you’re saying, This is the great Rocky Balboa, here we go.
Codebox Joshua Millage [14:42]
You, me and nobody is going to hit as hard as life. But ain’t about how hard you hit. It’s about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward, how much you can take a keep moving forward. That’s how when it is done.
David Ralph [14:59]
And that’s too what you’re saying when when you see the successful people, you see the highlights, don’t you, but you don’t see the the punches in the face, and then knocked down to your knees and hanging bare by, you know, the last bit of strength and then forcing yourself up again to keep going keep going keep going. I like that speech by Rocky very much. And I remember seeing the pictures when I when it was first out. And it really resonated with my event. Maybe I was just primed for that moment when I was thinking of doing my leap of faith, whatever. But I just thought yeah, it’s not going to be an easy ride. But thank God, it’s not going to be an easy ride. Because when the ultimate result will be worthwhile. It’s got to be, isn’t it?
Codebox Joshua Millage [15:40]
Yeah. It makes me laugh, because I’m thinking back to one of the first conversations I had with my co founder, Thomas. And we were talking about like, what are we good at? And it was a really bizarre conversation. I think you’ve had Thomas on the show. I think everyone should go listen to his side of the storey. To get get to know his personality, because I think it’s unique how it combines with mine, but he’s a poet, and he he has a you know, he thinks like a poet. He’s an artist. I’m an overly positive marketer and teacher and you know, so we have this, like, kind of not gonna say he’s pessimistic, but he will mention what’s not going on? What not, oh, it’s not going right? Where I’m always just everything’s going right. And when we sat down and had that conversation, he’s like, well, are we are we like the smartest? It’s like, I don’t know, if we’re the smartest, we get to like, write the best code will we’re going to shoot for that, right? Like we’re going to, we’re going to continue to improve. But like what right now I remember asking like, what right now? Are we the best at and he kind of chuckled he’s I think we can just take the most punches to the face. And we can just keep going, keep going. And it’s it’s been true. I mean, we just continue to walk through walls, concrete walls as a company, doing things that we don’t think are achievable, but we can you to commit. And you know, I think that’s the kind of the secret sauce there. David is the commitment to going forward. There’s a really amazing book by Ryan Holliday called the obstacle is the way and I think that it’s it’s about stoic philosophy. But he talks a lot about how the the obstacle that’s in our way is oftentimes why we’re there, it’s that obstacle will find meaning will find that piece of learning through trying to overcome that obstacle. And I love that quote by Rocky Balboa, because I think it’s right, I think, you know, you continue to step forward, you continue to try. And you’ll find truth in that,
David Ralph [17:43]
I think absolutely. The, the The interesting thing about yourself, Joshua bow is you’re not stupid, you are a clever guy, you’re Supreme, to be able to do the kind of things that you did at an early age. And you also say that you are a huge positive person. So if we did go back in time and join that pure dots, but that part when you was on your mom’s sofa, and you were spiralling into depression, did you realise at that time, but hang on, this is a point in my life? I’ve just got to go through because I’m not naturally this? Or did you really go? No, I’m a victim. Life is rubbish. I deserve everything I’ve got, and wallow in it for a moment because I can’t quite get the person that I’m speaking to now to that person that I spoke about in the introduction.
Codebox Joshua Millage [18:33]
Yeah, so I, I definitely had
at that point, I mean, I was 24 when I when I returned back. And definitely, I don’t know how to explain it. I mean, you graduate in 2011 2010 ish. And you, you know, I’m going to rewind a little bit because I grew up in the 90s. Life was good here in the United States, Dad, Mom, we’re making good money. You go to school, you think that the, you know, you hear the economy’s bad, but you don’t really believe it. And you get out and you think you’re going to be the hero for any business that hires you. And so I was pretty negative i was this victim because like, Oh, woe is me, I could get hired here. Oh, woe is me, I got, you know, equal I all negative and, you know, help the most was was listening to a podcast, by Andrew Warner over at mixer G. And I just kind of poured myself into, I was only able to really be up for about, I don’t know, maybe a few hours a day, I mean, Nikolai that the After Effects is very similar to like mono or something, you just sleep all the time. But any waking moment, I just wanted to be inspired. And I wanted to learn something. So I listened to a podcast or two podcasts from Andrew, and really started to see that these people adopted this mindset. So I started really, I mean, I guess copying them, I was like, well, just got to continue to be, I gotta be positive, I gotta believe it can get better. You gotta try again to take action, like all these common themes that you hear a lot of entrepreneur entrepreneurs say, and the reason that a lot of them say it’s because it’s true, it’s like, it’s like the fundamentals, like learning how to dribble or just shoot a jump shot and basketball, like, you’ve got to learn how to do these things. You know, I don’t think people understand that, like, you’ve got to learn how to kind of steal your mind and believe that things are going to get better and continue to push forward. And yeah, so So I think the first thing happened,
realising that I was it,
like worthless, and also that the journey of life often looked like a bunch of zigzag. So there’s a there’s a beautiful picture in the book by how could blink and the author’s name but it’s Psycho Cybernetics. It’s a crazy name. Maxwell bolts is the author’s name. And it’s an old self help book. And it’s really interesting, because he talks about he was a plastic surgeon who talks about how, when he would go in and change his changed, someone’s looks like, within a few months, they might be a millionaire. And other people, they wouldn’t be a millionaire. He’s like, why did that happen? And he realised it had nothing to do with the physical look of the person, but how they, they actually perceive themselves. Like, did they see themselves as that millionaire, and if they did, they would achieve that. And if they didn’t, it didn’t matter what the plastic surgery did. And he uses this example about these. These, these jousting, that Justin I’m sorry, a fencing clubs in Germany, back in like the mid 1800s. And it was a sign of honour to have a gigantic scar in your face. It was like I have made it, I’m the best. And so all these guys would walk around with these huge scars to show that they’re the best. And he’s he’s contrasting the two, you know, when the patients that are in a car accident have a big scar, they don’t feel you that as an honour, something of honour, they view it as something horrible, they would have fixed and they would fix it. He talks about a sales guy, he couldn’t make a single sale because he had to scratch on his face or this huge scar, you fix the scar, that guy’s immediately the top salesman. It’s like Was it the scar? Was it the fact that he believed that that was hindering him. And so that was where I kind of learned like, the internal, like, I gotta believe that this is possible, like I can do this. And then the other side of the equation was that like, if you think of a heat seeking missile, it, it sets a point out there in time, like a goal, it has a goal. But if you would dial in that heat seeking missile, it’s not going in a straight line, it’s actually failing over the course of that line. So it’s going too far left, and then too far right? And too far left too far. Right? It’s not really straight, it’s over, you know, it’s correcting itself. And I look at that, it’s like, it’s actually a bunch of little tiny failures that eventually get it to its destination. And so I started to adopt that mindset. It’s like, okay, it’s not going to be a straight path, it’s not going to be in instant, massive IPO company, it’s not going to be like New York Times bestselling book, like all these things that I would like to achieve in my life, it’s not going to happen tomorrow. But if I continue to have that intention, set that intention, put that goal out there and continue to move forward, I’ll eventually get there through the course of a number of small failures, some, some of them are larger than others. But, you know, I think those two things really helped me get from that, that that visual that you have of me on my mom’s couch, which I think is pretty accurate. So where I’m at today,
David Ralph [23:30]
if you do not think that’s amazing, really bad, you have taken it from that point to that point. We’ve all those incremental gains, all those failures, or those stumbles or those successes, but still, as an individual, you will fall into the same trap as I do in everybody else. But we look at successful people, and we go, it’s all right for them. Isn’t it amazing how we still have that even though that we know it’s not true? Because you’ve been through it yourself?
Codebox Joshua Millage [24:00]
Yeah, you know, this is interesting. I mentioned that I have this, like anxiety attack this morning. I feel like we’re doing like, some digital therapy here. David, this is fantastic. Because you’re right. Like, I don’t know why I didn’t think about that. I don’t know why I haven’t thought about the journey that I’ve been on thus far, and what it’s look like and why I think it’s going to be different in this moment, right now, you know, it’s going to continue to look like that. And I think part of it is, is being present and embracing what the journey feels like, and enjoying that cup of coffee, even if you failed that day, I have a tendency, if I have if I have a beer or something. After I close a big sale, I, for some reason, think of that beer tastes better, because I like earned it. But I think that that’s kind of detrimental to to happiness. Because if you have a long streak of not making any sales, like nothing tastes good, you know, but that’s not how it should be like, we should just be happy that we have food, I’ve been to 30 countries, and I’ve worked with kids that have have never had more than rice and beans, you know. And so I got to keep things into perspective and realise that this journey is beautiful, all of it, the ups and the downs,
David Ralph [25:09]
I tell you everything that that strikes me, with you and everybody and with myself as well is you start something and you don’t know what to and this goes out to the listeners, for the listeners sitting out there, and you’ve got this urge to do something, just do it, just start doing it. Because when you start doing it, it doesn’t quite work. And if you stumble and you fall, as I say, and you then get a website up if you want to go into the online world, and then you seem to be putting loads of loads of hours in and not getting anywhere. And then it suddenly moves on a bit. And then once you get success, a lot of stuff that you used to struggle with becomes easier. And you forget that you struggled, and you kind of almost blank that out until somebody actually says to you, you know, I had a conversation today. And somebody was saying to me, oh, I’ve got this new show out this new podcast, and I’m getting X amount of downloads. But when it went down, I shared my storey of what my downloads were at the beginning. And I’ve kind of forgotten that as well. Because you just are so engrossed in the present, you forgot that you’ve had a struggle to get there. And if we do go back and we connect to our past to build our futures, as we do on the show, you will realise that it’s that ability to struggle which actually strengthens what you’re building, it’s got to, if you suddenly mastered it instantly, it’s going to be built on sand. So we should actually embrace the fact but we’re going to be putting hours and hours and hours in because ultimately we’re going to get better and better and better. And then that’s going to make the end product even stronger for our clients, whatever we’re doing. What do you think, Joshua?
Codebox Joshua Millage [26:42]
I couldn’t agree more. I mean, I think that, as you say that the image that came to my mind is like this staircase, where we have these blips of like, if you follow the line of a staircase, like we go up, and then it’s kind of like we flatline for a minute or it feels that way. We’re like, yo, nothing’s happening. Nothing’s happening. Nothing me Oh, no, I’m up again. Nothing’s happening. You know, it’s, it’s, it’s kind of, at least in my life. That’s kind of how it’s tracked. I feel I’ll go months of like, nothing’s really progressing. And then all of a sudden, I go through this like time machine in a week. I’m like, Whoa, this is completely different here. Like everything changed, like a lot of good things happened. And it was all the seeds I planted in that time that I felt like nothing was happening.
David Ralph [27:23]
Did you think that you actually have to do what you love? Is that the easier way to success?
Unknown Speaker [27:31]
Yeah, to do what you love?
Codebox Joshua Millage [27:36]
I think so in some ways, because, well, I guess it’s how do you define success, though,
David Ralph [27:43]
if you are financially viable if you have achieved? Well, I suppose if you’ve achieved the goals that you set out on. And I think that is a key point, when people start, they’ve got to have an idea of what they want to achieve, so that they can at least benchmark against what they wanted. And then I can say there was success, separate successful. And once they hit that point, and it will give you more competence to go on. So I do take the point that you’re making, but my success will be different to your success and your success different from everybody else. But as an individual, you should know what you are working towards.
Codebox Joshua Millage [28:17]
Right? Yeah, I think that that’s huge. And I think, if you do have a goal, and you set out to achieve it, I think generally we will fall into what we love to do, or if we, if we don’t immediately will learn very quickly, that whatever that journey looks like, we’ll find what we like and don’t like within it. I do think passion is is important. I do think that, that having that drive is is huge. Because on the months where you don’t make anything or when the calls go bad or you know, something goes wrong, you need to you need to figure out how to get yourself up off the ground. And some of the sometimes all you have left is like, do I like what I’m doing. And I think that Seth Godin wrote a great book called dip. And he talks about that. When do you you know, when we anything that we start, we start out like with this excitement, and it kind of goes up? You know, and then all of a sudden, if that excitement leaves, you dip, and do you go back up? Or do you fall off the bottom? You know, so I think that in trying certain projects, trying things out getting things you know, as you said before, just doing stuff, we learned what we’re passionate about. So that’s part of the journey to is sometimes you think you’re passionate about something. And in reality you’re not, you know,
David Ralph [29:36]
I’m just gonna play. I don’t often do this, we’re gonna have three motivational speeches. You’re sucking it out of me, Joshua, yo, yo, I’m showing all my weapons. But I’m busy Jim Carrey, because I love what he says. And I’ll be interested to see whether you think it resonates with you, because I’m not hundred percent sure whether we will. So basically Jim Carrey,
Jim Carrey [29:56]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [30:23]
So whether it’s not totally 100% important to do what you love. Do you think that those words give you a fighting chance, at least if you’re finding something that you enjoy? Maybe not love? You’ve got more passion to follow it through when it gets a bit rough?
Codebox Joshua Millage [30:40]
Yeah, I mean, I do agree with those words. I guess I don’t know if that, if that makes me renege on my first statement there. But I do believe that you got it. You got you can’t wind up in a, in a place where you hate your life. You know, you can’t wind up in a job that where you just you can’t stand it in that I think the difference between me and and, you know, some of my relatives actually is that I know that I’m built to be someone who builds things. You know, I think specifically that looks like entrepreneurship. But that might change. I just know that I need to build things. And that’s kind of the passion that I have that keeps me going
to Yeah, I don’t know, does that answer your question?
David Ralph [31:26]
It does. And you know, I’m going to give you a statement, and I’m going to tell you why I think you’re going to be extremely successful in life. And you know why? Because you’re learning to surf. Now that might sound weird. And to be honest, Joshua, I feel in a ranting mood today. So I’m gonna, I’m going to tell you about this. But I think that just the fact that you’re going out on a lump of wood, and you’re trying to stand up on wobbly water, with sharks all the way around you, and you’re going to fall off and fall off and fall off. And for hours, upon hours an hour, you’re going to fold up, but you still get back up. That must mean that you are somebody that will see the goal as achievable. Even when you can’t even see that you’re going to get back up you believe you believe you believe and I think it was Jerry Seinfeld that said something similar. When he said whenever he sees kids on skateboards, doing tricks, he thinks they’re going to be all right in life, because the amount of times they must have failed and got up again to be able to achieve it just means that you’ve got that hustle muscle going through you.
Codebox Joshua Millage [32:32]
Yeah, I I love that. And it does surfing and a beautiful analogy for for the the experience that we all go through in life. Because worst case scenario, you don’t catch a single wave, at least you’re out there in the ocean. And there’s some there’s something to be said about that. And then, you know, you have situations where you’re out there, and you’ve got to deal with other surfers who might be stealing your wave. So you learn, you know about how to deal with people, and you learn about how to ride a wave and how to continue to keep it going. So I agree, I think it’s very similar to skateboarding and your Jerry Seinfeld quote. So thank you for saying that I encourages me to surf more, which is really cool.
David Ralph [33:13]
But he’s cool is maybe if you can find in your life to be able to choose when you do these kind of things. And that that’s that’s utopia, isn’t it? Because so many people out there, the alarm clock goes like, Oh, God, I gotta get up. And I get up and I go to work. And I was like that for years and years and years. And I used to work in places in London, but it was like a day’s work, just getting bear on the trains and the passes and fighting your way through. So to be able to build a life that you’ve actually got that prospect of work life balance. And I think that’s really what we’re talking about when you say that you’re in this second stage. I think that from my understanding of you, you love building stuff, you like constructing stuff. But now I feel like you’re actually looking at yourself and thinking how I build Joshua. Now, I’ve done the company to a point, but left myself behind somewhat. What do I need to go to that next stage?
Codebox Joshua Millage [34:09]
Yeah, that’s a that’s interesting. I don’t know, did I tell you that in the pre interview? or How are you? How are you picking up on these things, man, that’s pretty impressive. Because this summer, July, August, we had some some awesome, some awesome growth at code box. And unfortunately, I prioritise that over everything else, and, you know, stopped working out, gain some weight, just feel horrible. And I’ve realised in the last two or three weeks that that’s really important. And you’re right, like the business is to a point, now it’s time to take care of myself and enjoy life. And I think that that, for anyone who’s out there listening to this, who doesn’t think that that’s important, it’s just a matter of time before it will make it self important. Because you got to take care of yourself in your health in your diet. And all of that makes a huge impact on how successful you are.
David Ralph [35:04]
Did you think that is a key thing, because it seems, you know, I’m not a runner, I hate the thought of running. And any sort of physical physical activity, I’m not that keen on like a walk, I go for a walk. And if the kids say, you know, you get go out on the bikes, I do that. And I quite like a swim. But anything that’s too strenuous, I think, Oh, I can’t be bothered, I’d rather sit on the sofa. But it seems that the real successful people are the ones that not only build their companies, but they also build themselves. And they make time to reflect, they might meditate, they might have quiet time in the day, or they will look at going to the gym, or they will play tennis or they that they seem to be more active band, many of the people that I know who go to tired after a day’s work. And I now think that you lose your energy, because you’re using up all your energy doing something that you don’t like just getting through it done. What you met him.
Codebox Joshua Millage [36:01]
I completely agree, David. And I think that it’s not about doing something that’s necessarily strenuous, in my mind, it’s just moving in and changing the environment up. I mean, I think, you know, I do have the privilege that I can kind of work wherever, whether that’s a coffee shop, or my house or you know, co working space, but you kind of lock yourself in there and you don’t really move and your mind just continues to get tired. I’m a walker to like, I do like to run I do like to do some CrossFit surf whatever else. But sometimes the best thing is for me is just taking a walk around the neighbourhood at night, and just letting my mind decompress. And that body motion is really, really good. And I think that that’s that we were meant to move. So if we’re taking that out of our life, there’s no reason that our mind is is going to be working at peak levels. If we’re not, you know, taking care of ourselves with with motion.
David Ralph [36:59]
Have you ever been in a office where you’re struck by the amount of people walking around while they’re on the telephone? I used to run sort of sales teams and I used to love it when they were walking around because I knew the blood was pumping and they were engaged. And the people that were just slumped on their desks, you know, you can’t work to the same level really, can you you’ve got to get up you’ve and I’m kind of my worst enemy here. Because I, I block interviews into huge boxes. So for maybe 10 hours, 12 hours, I will be sitting having these conversations because I like it. But I get into the vibe of them. You said the same thing. Just before we started recording, you just recorded your own podcast, and you came straight on to mine. And you get that kind of vibe, don’t you? you kind of feel like you’re in the zone somehow. But I am sitting at my desk for maybe 12 hours, whatever, just doing it. So I should really take my own medicine and get up and walk around and stretch and walk around the neighbourhood and do that kind of stuff. Because it is the world to really embrace it always in it.
Codebox Joshua Millage [38:01]
Yeah, I’ll give you a little podcasting pro tip then this is just go to I don’t know if you have IKEA in the UK? idea. Yeah, I figured they it’s everywhere.
David Ralph [38:14]
Ambrose Bruce doors? Do you have no idea?
Codebox Joshua Millage [38:16]
We do. Yeah, it’s like a labyrinth of of house, you know, different house items. But why did
David Ralph [38:24]
they do that though? why did why do they tell you where to walk. That’s the only school that I’ve ever been in I, I’m an adult, I can walk wherever I want until I go into IKEA and they tell me what direction I gotta go.
Codebox Joshua Millage [38:37]
I bet they’ve done some tracking to see if we can get people to take this path. And they’ll buy more goods from us or something like that. Retail analytics is pretty interesting. But I think if you can get a stand up desk, I’m standing up right now using my podcasting setup and have like a little soundproof box that I kind of speak into, but just stand in has allowed me to get my energy levels so much higher. And it’s it allows me to kind of like, talk with my hands. I wish I could we were doing video here. People could see how crazy I get with my hands. I’m all over the place. But it’s it’s Yeah, it’s changed the way that I work just by standing.
David Ralph [39:19]
So so how do we get people out there to state take that first step, not a leap? We’re not saying take a leap of faith. We’re just saying make that first momentum to a better life because it’s baffling, isn’t it? I just know about every single person out there if I truly want it could have the kick ass life. And it’s just that mentality is that mindset, whatever that holds them in place, because they see those show reels, those highlights of other people and think it’s all right for them. So how can I do to first step Joshua?
Codebox Joshua Millage [39:51]
You know, I think the first step is figuring out. Like, I think a lot of people are afraid of themselves. And I think that they don’t spend enough time with themselves to figure out what that first step should even look like. And right around the time that I got sick and came back from China, I started journaling, and just took time to, to write out my thoughts. And there’s something that’s really interesting about that is that it forces you to think slower, because you can’t think like you can’t write super fast as fast as your mind thinks. So it forces you to take a thought and kind of draw it out. And that really helped me start to figure things out inside. Like, it’s amazing, if you just just open up a notebook and just start to write, like, what the thought what thoughts are in your brain. And you’ll probably realise pretty quickly if you’re, if you’ve never done it before, that you’re like, insane, like some of the things that you’re thinking, like, once you read them back to yourself, you’re like, Dude, what, like, I’m not gonna be homeless and without food if this fails, but I wrote that because that was a fear that I had, like, that’s not true, you know, and so you start to like, kind of organise yourself on the inside out. And then once you have a clear picture, to to take it to take a step for whether that’s build a business or do some sort of art or write a book. I think it’s just like, figuring out what that first step is, I’m want to be specific here. But I mean, if it’s, if it’s writing a book, it’s like write the first just write something if it’s build a business. I personally don’t recommend at all any really any of the online like how to build a business courses, because I think they’re pretty much Bs, but it would be like in that regard, just go make a sale, like sales is the first step, if the sale is made, business can’t function. So you got to learn that skill, you got to figure that out. So try that, like take whatever you want to sell, just try and sell it. If it’s something that, you know, you maybe you want to learn how to make something with concrete, like a piece of artwork, there’s a couple of those up here in the Bay Area. And it’s like, Okay, well maybe learn how to mix concrete, like just break it down, chunk it down, make it really simple. Don’t think that you have to be at Maestro, whatever it is, in that moment. You know, I love I forget the psychologists that that had kind of discovered the four levels of learning but there’s, you know, unconsciously incompetent, like we don’t know what we don’t know, there’s consciously incompetent, that’s when we first start to learn something. So if it’s a business, you’re like, Oh my gosh, now I’m conscious of the fact that I don’t know marketing, I don’t know, sales, I don’t know, accounting, I don’t know, finance, you know, all these things. I don’t know, that’s the worst place to be lovable to. And then you become consciously competent. So you’re like, I know that I know enough about marketing and finance and accounting, to like, survive. And then as time goes on, you become unconsciously competent, where you’re just a natural, you’ve done it for so long. And you start to see these guys in life. You know, people would look at someone like a Richard Branson, it’s like at a, you know, you just dashes his wand and businesses created. And it’s like, whether it’s space travel, or, you know, music, whatever. It seems like that guy can just like kind of has the Midas touch. But he’s been doing it forever since he was young. And he just understands how things work. It’s intuitive. It’s not just him
David Ralph [43:19]
know, is it? He kind of goes, yes, this sounds good. I’ve got no idea how to do it. Let’s find people to do it. And that’s a key point to success, isn’t it? If you don’t know how to do something, but you fancy doing it, then find somebody who can do it for you.
Codebox Joshua Millage [43:33]
Yeah, and that that would be my, my follow up there would be figure out a mentor or even if it’s not an in person, mentor, I’ve realised that just by reading people’s biographies and things, and if you make the mindset shift that that person is your mentor, instead of just a book you’re reading, you can get a lot more information. I think it’s just the perspective shift of like, what is this person trying to teach me with their life storey whether it’s Steve Jobs, or Benjamin Franklin or someone like that? What steps did they take, you know, and then there’s nothing to be ashamed of when it comes to copying, I think, especially when you’re starting out, just copy people get to learn the flow of it.
David Ralph [44:15]
I, when I started this, I’ll be honest, I kind of copied, I copied the Daily Show format. And I would say that there was two famous podcasters out there that were inspirational to me. And one of them was john Lee Dumas because it’s a daily show. But the other one was a gentleman called Michael O’Neill, who I was fortunate to actually be on his show a couple of weeks ago. And it was a real moment for me where the two I’d actually sort of set me on the path, I actually been joined up with it. And he did sort of connect my dots. But it made me realise, but I would love to go back and listen to every episode every hundred and 74 episodes, I don’t know how long it would take me. But to see the journey that I’ve been on and see the progression and see the fact because there’s there was times doing this, but I will even before I started doing it, I was embarrassed to tell anyone what I was going to do. And I had this idea in my head, and I thought, I’m going to do this podcast. No, I can’t tell anyone. So I kind of it was like pornography or something I was I was carrying this thing around, and not telling anyone about it that I you know, I was fascinated with it. And then I remember telling a couple of people and they were like, what’s fat? How are you going to make money from it? And I was like, Oh, don’t worry about that. It’s just something I fancy doing. And then as I sort of moved through, I went through several stages. And now if somebody asks me, I go, yes, I’m an online chat show host. And I’m really sort of proud of it. Really, you know. And I think once I’ve got to that point, I think then I’m ready to actually develop it. But it’s taken me you know, 174 shows really, to get to the point. But it’s not only me having belief in myself, it’s me understanding, but I’ve got share that belief with other people and Banat starts it going. So you start exactly as you say, you just start from doing something, don’t you, you break it into such a bite sized chunk. But you cannot fail. That is there was a woman on episode eight, long, long time ago called Pamela slim. And she said her people that she coaches, she says to the mile, write a list of what you need to do to achieve your goal. And they normally come along with some kind of big plan. And she says no, break it down, break it down. And she gets to the point of going, why I need to sit down at my desk, I need to turn my computer on, you know, like an Idiot’s Guide. But they realised that by the time they’ve done eight of those instantly, they’re actually moving forward. And it’s that mindset, break it all down into the tiniest bites. But realise, but once you have belief in yourself, but other people will have believe and when you really cooking on gas.
Codebox Joshua Millage [46:57]
Yeah. And it’s been interesting for, for me, David to just, you know, this friendship that started really I would say in mid July is when we first started talking, I’ve seen a change in you and a progression in you over the past few months. And just one of the things I want to add on to that though is is while you do chunk down and you start to take the journey and take it step by step, I think we also need to be okay with different pivots along the way and different shifts of like, Oh, that’s I didn’t realise I like that, or there’s some traction over here, you know, and you can step into something new like for you, we’ve talked a lot about how does this show look like from a professional monetary standpoint, all the way down to marketing. And you I’ve seen you change things like your ideas have kind of formed and pivoted. And I think that’s, I’m going to assume that that’s because you’ve experienced growth in that time period and see new opportunities and things have kind of reconfigured.
David Ralph [47:53]
Yeah, I think you just, you feel more professional. And once you feel professional, you realise bat, you can get paid for doing something you love. Now this this is like digital therapy on me yet turning the tables. But it’s true. And I think that so many of us will be sitting at home with this idea. And because we feel like we would love doing it. Why would somebody pay me? But once you actually get to a point where your mindset goes, Hey, I’m pretty good at this. Okay, I might not be brilliant at it. But I could get brilliant. Then you start thinking Yes, I could actually make money from this. And once you can make money from something that you love, you really have hit that that area of life, but so many people are striving for hunger. Can I ask you a question? Yeah, what change? Have you seen in me, then? I’m fascinated by that over that period of time since we first connected and we’ve had our chats and you’ve seen the show develop?
Codebox Joshua Millage [48:50]
Yeah, I mean, I think that
I think that, you know, well it can it can I mentioned? Can I be really honest. And one of the one of the things I’ve seen, absolutely. So so when we first talked to you like my goal is to kind of knock off john Lee Dumas and the the progression of the iTunes Store. And then today and our pre chat you’re like, and I’ve passed him up. And it’s like, it’s been interesting. It’s like, I think the thing that I’ve seen is, you’re realising you’ve got to think bigger. Like you’ve achieved this one goal. Now what it’s very similar to what I was telling you this this little, like panic attack, I had this morning’s like, I’ve achieved a lot of my goals I’ve achieved. I can say I’m an entrepreneur, I have a company that pays me, I live in a beautiful place. I, I can work wherever I worked in Thailand for the past two weeks, you know, now what? Oh, my gosh, I gotta get bigger dreams. This is this is. It’s like, Okay, well, I’ve got to grow into that bigger dream. I think we’re all there. And that’s what I’ll say with you, David, I’ve really seen you. Just in the little conversation we had before this, I think you’re in a phase of dreaming bigger now, and you’ve had new opportunities, come into the Come on your radar, people asking for different things. And you’ve mentioned that you’ve, you’re turning them down. And I respect that because you’re staying true to your core here and creating this daily podcast. I really admire that because I think something that some people don’t understand is the power of engagement and focus. And when you get scattered, sometimes you used to lose the rocket fuel on all friends. But you’re not and you’re sticking with this. That’s that’s rad.
David Ralph [50:38]
Do you know that is as I almost laughed, as you were saying that not because of what you were saying. But in front of me, I’ve got a banner, but I created a probably about four weeks ago and it says dream big, vain dream bigger. Somebody said that to me on one of my shows. And it really resonated with me. And they were saying something along the lines of you’ve got to be, you know, unrealistic with your dreams. And if you’re saying, okay, I want to earn a million pounds a month, why can’t you go for 100 million pounds a month? Because when you’re going to put more effort in, and honestly, you might lose, you may not achieved a million pounds a month. But so why not go for the bigger one. And he was the admin of Dream big dream bigger. And I’ve got this banner in front of me that says bat. So it was um, yeah, it was it digital therapy. I think that’s the title of the show, I think you’ve written the title of the show.
Codebox Joshua Millage [51:34]
I love it. Well, it reminds me of a Chinese proverb that I heard when I was living over there that said, you know, if you shoot for the moon, you might land back down on the earth. But if you shoot for the sun, you might land on the moon. And it’s a similar idea. It’s like set really big extravagant goals. Because they’ll probably take you farther than if you set that small goal. You know, it’s a beautiful mindset set to adopt.
David Ralph [52:01]
Well, let’s play the words of a man. And this is our third one. And he had a big goal. He had huge dreams. And in many ways, he had dreams that most people said, we’re not going to be achievable. But he did it. And he did it from starting. And he’s guaranteed. And moving on to well, world domination. This is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [52:21]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [52:57]
So I think what we’ve been talking about Joshua on this show is faith, having faith that we can overcome things having faith that that perfect waves going to turn up when I’m on that surfboard, having faith that whatever is around the corner will be something good or whether it’s not something good we can deal with it. And that’s what Steve Jobs said so brilliantly, didn’t he?
Codebox Joshua Millage [53:18]
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. David, I mean, that’s, that’s my life storey I mean, I get, like I mentioned earlier, like, I’m not I’m not ashamed at all, in terms of my own personal faith, and that plays a big driving force to what I feel, you know, God has called me to do and being called into business, and that drive and that push forward. And it plays right into what Steve Jobs is saying there is like, I never really understand what I feel like God’s telling me to do next. But in hindsight, I can see how he perfectly placed the dots in order. So that’s beautiful. That’s a beautiful quote, I think that’s from the Stanford right. So great, great video, if anyone needs a little inspiration to just to watch that whole thing.
David Ralph [54:01]
If you want to watch it, you can go over to Join Up Dots.com. And you’ll see it under the mission statement, the whole 15 minutes. That’s just the middle bit. But the whole thing gives it so much depth and strength and power, really. And as Joshua was saying, it’s certainly worth 15 minutes of your life looking at it, because it will change the way you think fundamentally.
Codebox Joshua Millage [54:21]
I’m right, I have a go to it.
Codebox Joshua Millage [54:23]
I was just gonna say I have a quote from that about dogma and living other people’s thoughts on my wall. In something I look at every day my father gave it to me. And it’s true. I mean, don’t live in someone else’s dream of your life, living your dream of your life.
David Ralph [54:37]
What is your big drop in Joshua in your timeline? The Steve Jobs timeline, what is the one that you look back and you go, yeah, we bout that Joshua millage would not be who he is today.
Codebox Joshua Millage [54:50]
Wow, that’s a good one.
Codebox Joshua Millage [54:56]
There’s, there’s probably two big dots right now. I don’t know if one is more significant than the other. The first would be getting a tuition waiver to come to school in California. I didn’t grow up in a rich family or anything like that. But my dad was a college professor. And I got a tuition, reciprocity waiver to basically come to school for free in California, that forever altered things for me, just getting out of the Midwest, I love where I’m from, I kind of joke I say Indiana is a good place to grow up. Glad I didn’t live there now. But it was a great place to grow up. But coming to California was like, people were thinking bigger and different, and that sort of thing. And then go into China, I think I needed to learn, there’s a couple lessons I really needed to learn in that experience. And I think one of them was losing it all, quite literally, I mean, I sold everything to take that job, and to get over there. And then to come back and all of my possessions could fit in an internal frayed backpack. But I needed that, again, experience to show my to show me that, that material things are what makes our art that’s not going to give us lasting happiness. And I definitely prior to that wanted things, I wanted lots of things. And I don’t think that’s inherently wrong. But for me, I just going after the things wasn’t going to propel me to the greatness that I believe that I’m supposed to achieve. And so those are the two big dots, I think taking that risk and going overseas, and then coming to California.
David Ralph [56:32]
So you’re really at the crossroads of your life for the next stage at the moment. So what makes you happy at the moment?
Codebox Joshua Millage [56:42]
Oh, man, you know, this is something that I really focusing on right now. And defining. I grew up both my parents were teachers, and my mom was a first grade teacher, my dad was a college professor. And so you know, life was like living in a study hall pretty much. But I have a really strong desire to help educate people. I think one of the things I’m most passionate right now is about educating people about business. I just think there’s a lot of BS out there. And I just want to tell people how it actually is. So I think I’m passionate about that. And I think the next phase of my life will involve that. I’m working on a book right now that kind of captures this whole storey and shares what has really worked for me, and you know, what’s been based in truth. And then, you know, code boxes is moving out of the client services business into creating tools to help people learn online. So we’re creating a WordPress plugin that allows you to sell courses online. And that’s the first step and, you know, our vision of changing the way that people learn online, because we think that that’s going to happen, I think the traditional education is dying, I don’t think, you know, colleges are going to look like like they do now in 20 or 30 years, maybe even sooner. And so we want to be a part of that movement, we want to, you know, to use a search term, I guess, ride that wave. But I want to do that not just on a like a national scale, but truly a global scale. Like I think, with technology getting faster and cheaper and better. Like we have an opportunity now to educate people who previously couldn’t get education at all. You know, you look at Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, there’s a lot of people that are looking at how to solve the issues of world hunger, and you know, water quality. And that’s awesome. And that’s like the first step in my mind. But after they have those basic needs that what’s next. And I think it’s teaching the basic life skills, literacy, and that sort of thing. And then getting into more advanced things like how to build infrastructure. And, you know, that’s how we’re going to solve, I think problems on a global scale problems that we see in Africa. A lot of that is because of lack of education, obviously, lack of food and water, I think people are doing a good job always can do better. But my heart in this bigger picture of making the world a better place comes in, right in the the sweet spot of education.
David Ralph [59:08]
Well, just before I send you back in time on the seminar, my I will say to Joshua, from my side, across the pond listening to you, I think that the reason you had that panic attack was no more van, you were scared of going into new territories, I think you know what you need to do. I think you put your pants set, but it’s like all of us. And even though you’ve had a certain amount of success, you dream bigger, and then it becomes scarier. And I think you just had that moment of thinking, can I deal with this? And believe me, you can deal with it, because you did it before and you’re going to do it again.
Codebox Joshua Millage [59:45]
Thank you for saying that, David, that means a lot.
David Ralph [59:47]
Right, let’s play the theme tune. And this is the part of the show when we send you back in time to have a one on one with yourself. And if you could go back in time and meet the young Joshua, what age would you pick? And what would you say? Well, we’re going to find out because I’m going to play the tune and when page about this is the Sermon on the mic
Codebox Joshua Millage [1:00:11]
with the best of the show.
Codebox Joshua Millage [1:00:28]
Alright, so I’m 12 years old, and I’m in my grandmother’s kitchen. I just wired up a Lego rocket ship and used a nine volt battery to make it blinking light up and it was pretty cool. In that moment, I realised that that’s when I really felt like God has said, you know, you’re going to be in business and you’re going to take this progression in life. And what I would tell myself is that that journey is going to be hard but meaningful in that it’s worthwhile in to engage with it fully, and to also understand and have faith that everything is going to be okay and that the the battles are already won. They they just need me to show up to fight in them. But God has got it all figured out for me.
I think that’s what I would say, David,
David Ralph [1:01:19]
Joshua, how can our audience connect with you sir?
Codebox Joshua Millage [1:01:23]
The best way to connect with me would be on twitter at j millage. That’s j m i ll a G. If they want, they can drop me an email. Never done this, but I’ll give them my personal email. It’s Jay millage 86 at gmail.com. Joshua, thank
David Ralph [1:01:41]
you so much for spending time with us today joining those dots. And please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining those dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Joshua millage. Thank you so much.
Codebox Joshua Millage [1:01:56]
Thank you, David.
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