DNA Expert Julian Hayes II Joins Us On The Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast
Introducing DNA Expert Julian Hayes II
Julian Hayes II is our guest today joining us on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots business podcast
He is an author, executive health consultant, and epigenetic atelier.
I’m the founder of The Art of Fitness & Life, a bespoke, discreet concierge health and performance advisory firm.
The mission is to help individuals elevate their status and upgrade their entire human system so they can run around with their great-great-grandchildren—not just see them.
Through leveraging their unique DNA, data-driven health metrics, high-tech toys, N of 1 personalized programming, and a performance team.
As he says “I believe in a world where aging is optional for entrepreneurs, executives, and high-achieving professionals while having an extra 60+ years of optimal health, energy, and productivity to impact the world while experiencing life to its fullest.
How The DNA Dots Joined Up For Julian
Unfortunately, despite the many accomplishments and financial success, many entrepreneurs and executives don’t have the physical success that matches their financial success because of the dark sides of success and not using solutions tailored to their unique biology and demanding lifestyle.
It’s time to rethink how we do health and fitness. Entrepreneurs, high achievers, and executives need a precise roadmap and system that accommodates their unique biology and demanding lifestyle so they can make aging irrelevant, focus on what they do best, and experience life to its fullest.
Interesting stuff, so where do we start?
What are the questions that need to be asked?
Well why do people need this anyway, why are we not more focused on optimising our health due to good practices?
And when did he realise that he had the knowledge to bring such a platform to the world?
Well lets find out as we bring onto the show to start joining with the one and only Mr Julian Hayes II0106
During the show we discussed such weighty subjects with Julian Hayes II such as:
We talk openly about the stages of building a business and why so many people get trapped in the start-up phase.
Julian shares the stages to getting organised in his life and creating the environment, environment and environment that brings success.
Why building theme days into your business can be such a win as you develop best practices for optimum health.
How everyone of us can have the life, health and business that we dream off, as long as we make daily decisions to make it happen.
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Full Transcription Of DNA Expert Julian Hayes II Interview
Life shouldn’t be hard life should be a fun filled adventure every day. So now start joining up dots tap into your talents, your skills, your God given gifts and tell your boss, you don’t deserve me. I’m out of here. It’s time for you to smash that alarm clock and start getting the dream business and life you will of course, are dreaming God. Let’s join your host, David Ralph from the back of his garden in the UK, or wherever he might be today with another JAM PACKED episode of the number one hit podcast. Join Up Dots.
David Ralph [0:40]
Yes, hello. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning and welcome to a Join Up Dots the show that brings you inspirational motivational content, entrepreneurship, basically anything we can do to make your life and your business singing BLE and feeling good. Now today’s guest joining us on the show is an offer an executive health consultant, and EPA genic Atalaya. I don’t even know if I said that. But I’m gonna have to ask him afterwards. I’m the founder of The Art of fitness and life. He says a bespoke district, a concierge health and performance advisory firm. And our mission is to help individuals elevate their status and upgrade their entire human system. So they can run around with their great great grandchildren, not just see them. Wow. Now how do they do this, who leave reaching their unique DNA data driven health metrics, high tech toys, and have one personalised programming and a performance team. Now as he says I believe in a world where ageing is optional for entrepreneurs, executives and high achieving professionals while having an extra 60 plus years of optimal health, energy and productivity to impact the world while experiencing life to its fullest. Unfortunately, despite the many accomplishments and financial success, many entrepreneurs and executives don’t have the physical success that matches their financial success. Because of the dark sides of success, and not using solutions tailored to their unique biology and demanding lifestyle. It’s time to rethink how we do health and fitness entrepreneurs, high achievers and executives need a precise roadmap and system that accommodates their unique biology and demanding lifestyle. So they can make ageing, irrelevant. Focus on what they do best, and experience life to its fullest. Now interesting stuff. So where do we start? What are the questions that need to be asked? Well, why do people need this anyway? Why are we not more focused on optimising our health due to just good practices? And when did he realise that he had the knowledge to bring such a platform to the world? Well, let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Mr. Julian Hayes their second.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [2:59]
David, that was an awesome, awesome introduction. I am full of life and energy right now. I’m doing super fantastic. Thank you so much for having me on.
David Ralph [3:07]
Well, yeah, I tell you what you are. Because as I was saying, before the show you sent a video email to introduce yourself. And as I was watching it, before I even knew what you was about. I thought, God, he looks healthy. Well, that’s why He looks young, he looks vibrant. And you do so have you cracked it, have you cracked, what the entrepreneurs of the world are struggling with where basically, it is burning the candle at both ends, burn out, overwhelm, lack of focus, focus, brain fog, all that kind of stuff.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [3:43]
It’s it’s a continual, it’s a continual journey, that you learn something new every day just by keeping your eyes open and talking to people. And then also the best case is yourself. And you start to experience these things. And that’s where you’re like, well, if I’m experiencing this, odds are out of the 7.8 billion people in the world. I’m pretty sure other people are especially entrepreneurs, especially the entrepreneurs that are still in the more earlier stages. And even some that are more experienced, they’re all still going to have some of these issues that you mentioned. They just might manifest in their lives a little differently.
David Ralph [4:19]
No, I agree with you. I agree. But at the beginning, it’s common because you don’t know what you’re doing. So you spend a lot of time wasted time basically trying to do things and learn and try to build your business. But once you get established, you should know better, shouldn’t you don’t you think once you’ve got a business running, you’ve got income coming in. Most people should be Hang on. This is what I built a business for to give me the lifestyle not for me to be trapped in the business. Well, I
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [4:50]
think at that stage afterwards, once they’ve had some success, then I think that’s where that success paradox comes in. Because you’re more in demand in so more people are demanding Have your time and you often at this time you have a family now as well, and they’re still demanding your time. And just unintentionally, the health gets put on the backburner. So it’s not like they’re being negligent. It’s just that they’re so giving and benevolent and serving to all these other people and things within their business clients, that their health sometimes gets put unintentionally on the backburner. And until something happens, some kind of pain signal comes where it’s like, oh, I go to a checkup. And my lab reports are not good, or me and my energy just hasn’t been good lately, or I’m just feeling foggy until something like that comes up. Typically, it’s just go, go, go, go go. Because that’s what they know. That’s how they built their business. And generally, and I understand this, that when you’re starting a business, and you built it up to something, you don’t want to lose that, because you remember what it’s like to have those lean years, those lean days. And so that’s all the motivation that you need to keep. Keep your foot essentially on the gas 100% of the time and never hit the brakes.
David Ralph [6:01]
Do you know what I blame? Or who I blame Julian, I blame the youth of the world. I blame you because I’ve been thinking about this recently. Because when you’re young, you just basically you’re selfish, aren’t you, you do what you want, and you float around and your mom and dad might occasionally tell you to do something. But literally all your energy is yourself. And then when you get into sort of the late teens and your 20s, you go out to work, and you really push into it. You go out for a beer in the Friday night after work and stop you come back. Once again. It’s selfish time. As you move on, and you start having kids and family, you’ve kind of trained yourself to have that go, go go have youth. But then you’ve lost the ability to lay in bed on a Saturday morning because the kids are getting you up earlier. Or stay up late. Do you think I think you are to blame Judy and Hayes a second? What’s your thing?
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [6:56]
That’s a very interesting hypothesis that I’ve never heard of. But
David Ralph [7:00]
it’s true. Oh, you’ve got to say it’s true. And then we will move on?
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [7:05]
It makes a little sense. I don’t know if I give you the full percent. I might give you 50%. I might give you 50%. Because I hear a little with me in that equation right there.
David Ralph [7:15]
Well, when when you look at yourself in and then we’re going to obviously talk about your business. Well, when did you hit the dark side that made you reassess and think Hang on? If I’m feeling like this, other people must as well.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [7:33]
I think so physical fitness has always been easy for me. But it’s it was becoming difficult when I didn’t. It was too hard. It was hard to work out it was hard to eat like I was supposed to. And that’s when I knew like I need to get structure I needed structure. That was my kryptonite was structure and organisation because I kind of I was just freestyling. And I reached a point where you cannot do that I had, I was helping family out at the time, which was an extra thing on my plate. And then I was still writing for different places and still dealing with clientele and still trying to have a personal life. And I realised then that okay, something’s going on here. And then I just went back out into the market and looked at other people. And I just thought of these different things of why do people struggle with their health and nutrition at times? If they know that it’s beneficial, but they still can’t do it. And it’s not negligence. It’s not that they’re not smart enough. It’s not those things. She’s just that there’s a lot of things on the plate and maybe we’re not even aware of just how much is on the plate and just how unorganised we are. So that was probably the the impetus for me.
David Ralph [8:49]
Because I I’m quite healthy in an unhealthy way. You know, I don’t I’ve never been to the gym in my life. But I do cycle a lot. I do drink lots of water. But my Achilles heel, my kryptonite is crisps or potato chips as you call them over there, I will quite often grab a bag of potato chips, ate them and being being only touch the side, I grab another one. And then I’m on that snacky kind of nothing new nourishing, just something in me. And I don’t think it’s laziness. I think it’s habit. I think I’ve just kind of got used to reaching up to the cupboard and grabbing stuff. So how do you kind of break free from these things? It’s all about having this mindset of I need to change but actually taking steps is quite difficult.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [9:39]
It’s creating the environment, environment, environment environment. And what I mean by that is that’s a common example that I would hear is that I constantly snack on chips or I snack on, I don’t know, pastries or some other thing that they don’t want to really snack on that. I know that they should probably maybe having a little more moderation And it’s hanging out in the counter, it’s hanging in the kitchen, it’s convenient, it’s so easy for you just to grab, and you can do it mindlessly, you can do it when you have a million gazillion things on your mind, other than your nutrition at the moment, and you just grab it. So the first thing is just to get out of the house. And so if you were going to eat chips, and you want to chips one day, what I would do is say, go to the store one day and get those ships and eat them for that day, and then throw the rest away. So you’re not eating every day. But maybe treat yourself once a week or so
David Ralph [10:32]
I can’t do that I couldn’t throw them away. I don’t even like it. When the kids my grandson opens a bag and doesn’t finish it. And I walk in, I think somebody left a bag of potato chips there, I have to finish them off. I couldn’t I couldn’t throw them away.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [10:47]
Or yeah, or you got to hide them.
David Ralph [10:50]
But know where they are.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [10:52]
Have somebody else have hide them? Oh,
David Ralph [10:54]
I may not hunt him down, no matter what you say, I think I’m addicted, I would, I would have to do it. So basically, you’re saying you have to create the environment and be tough and basically not have them where you can get them.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [11:05]
It’s Yes, it’s the environment because I’m that kind of person as well. So I it’s not, it’s not like I don’t crave candy or anything. I absolutely love candy and pastries. If they’re around, I have a crazy, I will eat, I will eat the whole thing. So I do not have those in my default setting at all. So therefore even if I’m craving it, I know that I’m not really going to get in my car, drive to the store to buy them and then come back. That’s five extra steps pretty much that I have to do right there to just eat that candy. Whereas if it’s just hanging in the house, all I have to do is get up and just walk in there and come back to my computer. And so you’re making, you’re making it harder on yourself to do those types of things.
David Ralph [11:53]
They taste better, don’t they? And you know, the bottom line is an apple is good. But it’s not as good as a big bag of Doritos.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [12:01]
No, of course not big. I mean, I look I love apples I have I just had one this morning. But those things those chips and candy is engineered for addiction for us. It’s we have tastebuds on our tongue. And scientists create these things knowing this in mind. So it’s no surprise that a chocolate chip cookie is going to taste better than broccoli. It’s designed that way doesn’t mean it’s better for us. But in the short term, it’s it’s the cookies gonna win 100% of the time if you’re just going on tastes. Now if you think like an investor and look long term, the broccoli is going to obviously went out, but I understand it in the short term, why the cookies gonna win out. And then you also think about this that no matter what stages or entrepreneur you’re in, or even if you’re intrapreneur, still, you make a lot of decisions during the day. And I forgot, I think it’s one reason why people like Mark Zuckerberg and various other business people wear the same thing every day. And it’s this concept of decision fatigue, where each decision that you’re making is like a battery on the phone. So say you start your morning in the green. And each time you’re making tough decisions, decisions, thinking about various things within your business in your life, that battery’s going down. And as you get lower on that battery, the quality of your decisions, the quality of your willpower, and the ability to have willpower is going to decrease as well. And so it’s no surprise that you hear I binge in the afternoon or I binge at night. Well, of course, you’re tired from the day, you made a bunch of decisions. So your willpower is just not as strong again. And so that’s why building that environment is critical. Because that environment is basically going to be your safety crutch to not falter even if you feel like faltering
David Ralph [13:49]
because one of the things I’ve been doing recently, Julian is I was reading a book called listen to your body, which is about the Chinese principles of Taoism and in balance, and they were saying, but one of the things that we should do is always go to bed no later than 11 o’clock at night, and have a nap at lunchtime. And just after lunch a little, you know, half hour. Now, I could never have done that yet when I was at corporate land. But now I mean entrepreneur land. I love having a little nap at lunchtime, and it doesn’t have to keep you energy. It really does. It’s just that sort of recharge of your batteries. Also, another thing I do and I’d be interested in your point of view on this is I’ve stopped working at my computer, so I might do half hour or an hour and then think why I’m gonna go mow the lawn. And then I’ll come back and do another hour I don’t sit there like I used to but sort of eight hours a day just ploughing through. But once again, you can do that when you can create your environment. What about people in corporate land that haven’t got that ability? What would you say to them?
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [14:58]
Well, obviously if you’re in corporate land and now app goes out even though I think I did read one company actually has nap pods. I forgot what company that was. I wrote about it a very long time ago. But
David Ralph [15:07]
Napster? Was it Napster? Yeah.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [15:11]
No, I don’t think it was absolutely been Facebook maybe, or meta, whatever they’re called. Now, I think. I don’t remember. And it’s gonna bug me. But I know, some companies do allow for naps and everything but but not too many. And for the corporate people, it’s absolutely going to sleep. Having a structured routine is critical, because you don’t have that flexibility, like you’re mentioning during the day for naps, and for napping. Now, I think you still get get up frequently at your work. I love that idea. I love that you do that, too. I do something called upon the door where it’s 25 minutes on in about five to 10 minutes off. And I do about two to three of those. I explain
David Ralph [15:54]
that a little bit more, because I know exactly what you mean. And it’s really, really important. So just expand on that for the listeners.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [16:02]
The pompadour. Yeah. Yes. So the Pomodoro is, I forgot who made it. Maybe its name was was Victor Pomodoro? Or am I just making that up? I missed the poem. Mr. Palmer called him. Yeah, we’ll call it Mr. Pump. Okay. So the Pomodoro is, is basically you have a clock, and you’re working for 25 minutes, focus work, nothing else, no phones, no, nothing, just 25 minutes focus work. And then you take a five minute break. And then you go back again. And I think the original is to do for those consecutively. And then you take a longer 15 minute break. I kind of tweaked that a little bit. I like to get up every hour, I don’t like to just sit, I have too much energy. So what I would do, I do 25 and 525, and five, and then I get up for about 10 to 15 minutes, and just walk or stand up or do something or I just check something on the internet just to reward myself. And I do
David Ralph [16:57]
something and do it again. Yeah, I do something called Parkinson’s Law, which is basically compressing every task. So if I look at a task, for example, just to say, mowing the lawn, it used to take me three hours to mow the lawn. And now I think to myself, can I get it done in an hour. So you just try to work three times as quick. And you always do you always get it done. But then you’ve got two hours spare to do what you want with. And so I do a lot now of compressing everything I possibly can to get the job done. So that vein, I can literally be retired, I say to people, I’m retired, I spend more time just sort of wandering around doing nothing. Because the work that I used to allow to expand into eight or 10 hours, I get done in four very, very focused hours.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [17:47]
So you have urgency that sounds you have a lot of urgency as well. Am I correct?
David Ralph [17:51]
Yeah, at my age you do, especially during the night.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [17:55]
So I need to think about Parkinson’s Law before that’s a very important thing, because a lot of a lot of tasks that we do takes way longer than it should just because we think we have all this time available.
David Ralph [18:07]
Yeah, you just compress, compress. And then once you get it down to say 30 minutes, you think can I get it down to 20 minutes. And like the introductions that I do and Join Up Dots when I started, you should have you three hours an episode and I used to be hunting all over the internet and stuff. Now Now it takes me about 10 minutes each, you know, I’ve just because I’ve pushed it down, pushed it down, pushed it down, and the quality doesn’t deteriorate this of keeping the quality actually gets better. Because you’re more focused, and you’re not flicking from task to task, you know, you’ve only got VAT to do.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [18:45]
That’s a very important point that you’ve made right there as well is that something I’ve noticed that I do for myself and even recommend to other people who may be feeling a bit frazzled is to kind of theme your workdays. So for example, say you, you have to write some you record, you record a podcast, and you have maybe different clientele work as well, is to theme your day. So some days, like it’s going to be a writing day. So all my focus is going to be dedicated toward my writing. And then the next day is going to be toward my editing. Or maybe it’s going to be toward client fulfilment work. That’s some of the listeners may have. But just so like you mentioned, you’re not jumping from one thing to the other. That are Yeah, acquiring different data or data requiring different parts of the brain, because that’s taking more energy that is necessary right there. And that’s going to help you be more efficient.
David Ralph [19:36]
Yeah, absolutely. Batching batching. Your work. I only record podcasts on Thursday. I don’t go near a microphone other than that. So Join Up Dots is three days a month and that’s it. And I hear people go, Oh, I got to say goodbye. I’ve got to go and record a podcast and I think how do you get into the mindset? How do you get into the zone to just jump on that task to record something Ben, come back. It’s pointless. Right? Let’s jump back into your business because I’m fascinated with this. So how did it come about? Because later leveraging your unique DNA, I’ve got no idea what that means. And that epigenetic Atelier, if I’ve said that, right, what the hell is that? How did you come about this?
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [20:21]
So epigenetic atelier? So I was just having a conversation with a friend, and he just said, You’re in Italy. And I was I said the same thing. What the hell is that I couldn’t even pronounce it. I had to go to my Google Dictionary and practising it. But I like the word. It sounds cool. So I was like, Sure, let’s go with it. And so epigenetics when you hear the word epigenetics, epigenetics means above the genes, so we all have genes that are not going to change. But we have these epigenetic markers above it, that can change and express differently depending on how we live our lifestyle, how we think how we eat, how we, our work, our vocation, basically, every single thing is offering information to our genes at this moment, even as we’re talking right now. And so another example, I like to say is, think of your think of your genetics as the hardware and epigenetics as the software, and the software that you put in airstone determine how that hardware is going to perform. And that’s the same thing here, just from a health perspective. And how did I get started with this, I was, is really curiosity. So I left medical school after my first year, much to the chagrin of nearly everyone around me. And just over the years, I just, I just get curious. And I just go down rabbit holes on the internet, reading different things. And I noticed different things in my family kept popping up, that don’t pop up in other families. And I just told myself, something’s there. I know something’s there. And I know that something’s, there’s more that we, as humans can, can give,
David Ralph [22:00]
there’s so a well, what’s popping up in your family that’s not in mine.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [22:05]
Just various chronic illnesses. So we had very little cognitive brain issues within our family tree. But we had a lot of cardiovascular a lot of diabetes and dialysis. And just those things, and I noticed how other families it’s, it can be the opposite. And so I just go down this rabbit hole, reading different things. And then I see that people teach this, and they’re experts at it. And so I do what I always do, I just reach out to people. And I was like, I’m very interested in this. And I learned how to do genetic, do genetic testing and interpret it and give nutritional and health recommend recommendations based off of that, then I think, well, what else is there? And
David Ralph [22:49]
I’m just jumping in could you have done this without that year of medical? If you hadn’t gone to medical? Could you have done this or?
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [22:56]
Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. Absolutely. The medical, they didn’t really talk about this kind of stuff in medical school. So So are they talked about it? It was it was more from more from a disease standpoint. And so it was never, it wasn’t necessarily as much preventative or age enhancing or those type of mindset was more. If the person comes in with this disease, then this is what it is in that kind of stuff. So no, I think the medical school to gave you a case, it gave you a solid background, obviously. But in terms of a lot of the stuff I’m doing now, that’s not really discussed in medical school. I think it’s a few years early, but is a few doctors who do it. But those are definitely not. It’s definitely not the masses just yet. It’s a few years away before I think it’s going to be massively adopted.
David Ralph [23:45]
Now, with what you do, I don’t really understand what you do. So how do you how would you get the DNA out of somebody? How do you find out what my DNA is?
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [23:56]
Yeah, so. So what I would do is, I will send you a, I will send you a kit, I will send you a genetic kit to your house. And I will send you a kit to if we wanted to do different other types of assessments as well, I will send it all to you. And you would take a swab, and then you will send it back to the lab. And in a few weeks, I will get a notification that David’s results are ready. I will go through look at it. And I will make some notes on there. And I would take everything else that were assessed as well. And I’ll just have a giant whiteboard. And I’ll just put them all on there. And if there’s something that I’m curious about that I’m not wanting to share yet, I will reach out to my peers and various colleagues. And then we will mind map it as well. And then once that’s ready, we will get on a call on Zoom or any other or if we’re in person or if you live in the Nashville area. I’ll just meet in person, and we’ll go through it. Each and every part we’ll get through nutrition. We’ll go through sleep through hormones. We’ll go through exercise and training. We’ll go through. And then after that, we’ll have a more precise nutritional plan. And some of the examples could be some people don’t tolerate saturated fat as well. And that comes in the form of like steak. And butter in some people don’t tolerate carbohydrates as well, or some people. And it’s just little specific modifications like that. And so it’s the base, the big thing is precision and efficiency and time. So you’re taking a lot of the guesswork out of it. And, and then the level of detail goes up after there. So there’s devices where I can stand where you’ll wear for three days, and it takes track of every single heartbeat. And then we get that back. And we can see how you’re living on a day to day basis. Like, because sometimes, we don’t think we’re stressed. But we’re very stressful, but we just don’t feel it. And that’s, and that’s a really cool thing for entrepreneurs, because you can see that random two o’clock meeting, or even if you need an office, that random two o’clock meeting is a lot stressful than you think. Or maybe all these emails and administrative work that you’re doing is stressful to your system more than you think. And then that’s the way to say, hey, this thing is stressing you out. Or you don’t even notice it, is there a way that we can mitigate this, maybe you can have someone help you with some of these admin tasks, and you can go from there. And another big one is alcohol. So a lot of clients will say, I like having a glass with you at night. I don’t think it affects my sleep. And the good thing about having data is data doesn’t have any emotion data is data. And you can show them that the quality of your sleep actually declines from alcohol intake, you you’re sleeping, but you’re not getting restorative sleep, you’re not getting that deep in REM sleep, as opposed to not having those drinks at night. And so those are some of the cool things from it,
David Ralph [26:58]
is I discovered something the other day and I’m going to delve into what you were saying there, I discovered but if you wear socks in bed, you don’t get hot, which which has blown my mind. Apparently, the old Chinese always make sure that their feet are really warm in bed because that regulates the temperature. Now I’m a classic person of throwing the duvet off. Oh, I’m hot. I need windows open. What you need to do is wear a pair of socks and you’re perfect. Your sleep is perfect. I could build a whole business on that colour.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [27:32]
Absolutely. Absolutely. Because I’m the opposite. I like to be cold at night. I like to be cold at night and no socks or anything. I like to make myself be as cool as possible. But I run pretty hot as well. So maybe some people out there. Maybe you could try it. But I’ve never heard of that.
David Ralph [27:53]
You try it. You try it tonight, right? Get into bed, but a pair of woolly socks on. Okay, it doesn’t make you look sexy. But hey, you know, we can fight this off. But you’ll wake up the next morning and go wow, I had a really good nice kit. Oh, I did the other night. And then I forgot to do it last night. But the first time I bought a try base which is which is brilliant. So your but your business again, right jumping back into this because it intrigued me. So you’re not the medical expert, you’re the expert at analysing the actual data that comes through. So that would mean to me that it doesn’t matter where the person is across the world, listening to this podcast, Ray could connect with you and get the same level of service as somebody who lives in Nashville, it doesn’t matter. They don’t actually have to sit next to you.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [28:41]
Absolutely, yeah, the only thing is I do have medical partnerships. So there is a there is a medical tear to where you would have the medical experts as well helping you but that’s a that’s a very high tier. And so I for legally reasons. I can’t say I treat diagnose or anything like that, because I don’t plan on getting sued. Knock on wood. So, but um, I do. But that’s pretty much a fair assessment is that most of most of the assessments, especially the basic ones, like the genetic testing in some of the monitor thing distressful that I was talking about that can be shipped pretty much anywhere in the world.
David Ralph [29:22]
Now, I’m intrigued by this because your profile, optimise your energy and become superhuman, because two or three years ago, four years ago, maybe I had extreme burnout and my energy just went to like nothing. And compared to what I felt like vain to now I already feel superhuman, and I’m not doing anything other vain, sleeping a lot better. Not rushing around like a maniac, resting, drinking water. I’m doing all the kind of basics. So if I went like to you and said, do my DNA, Julian would I be you know, could I impregnate people just by looking at I’m good. I just, you know, I changed beyond recognition.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [30:08]
I think it’s I think it’s once you have the foundation, I think, you know, superhuman is is more of a mentality and you’re going you’re looking in for more enhancement and you’re looking for just how good can I get? That’s something I asked myself every day, How good can I get? And of course, there’s, there’s different looking at, I would say, I would look at my labs to make sure I truly am, like optimised from a basic level, you know, internally as well, externally. I look and feel great, but how do i What’s internally so what like, what’s my blood and everything? And then going from there, then you can you can go a bunch of different ways with that you can look at things as another cool assessment is to how old are you chronologically compared to biologically so there’s different ages estimates that she do now’s where, once again, you can ship this tool to them, and they a swab, or I’m sorry, they prick your finger. And a few weeks, you get it back. And you can compare how old you are biologically to chronologically and in the age of your immune system as well. And then also your inflammatory state. And so that’s when you’re dialling in and getting even more specific. And so I think that’s, that’s probably the next steps after you really have the fundamentals down, you’re doing the basic things like you mentioned, and your blood work is where it should be. That’s where you go after that.
David Ralph [31:36]
Now, I’ve done many tours of America, and I can honestly say if you’re listening out there, America, okay, this is how we all see it. Yeah, overweight, you. I’ve never seen better people in my life. When I was in America, you know, it’s unbelievably overweight. Now over here in the United Kingdom, we’ve got an obesity problem starting to creep up and I reckon a lot of it is to do with people now working from home more, so they’re not even doing energy commuting and getting to work like they used to do. So your your programme is something that is cutting edge and and required. So give me the strapline what would convince somebody to actually become superhuman, when they kind of fade away anyway, they just kind of oh, I don’t really need this, what would take them over.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [32:31]
It’s a it’s a hunger, it’s, it’s, I would, it’s not for everyone, because it is cutting edge. And it’s designed that way, it’s for a certain type of person who’s from a different cloth who’s wants to get every single ounce out of life and doesn’t want to hope or guests with their health strategies, and wants a more high touch bespoke concierge approach that’s truly custom. And they can outsource their health and get on with the things that truly matter to them, and that they truly enjoy working on and focus in on such as their family, such as their vocation and their hobbies.
David Ralph [33:04]
Now you were saying somewhere that you can be, you know, see your great, great, great grandchildren sort of running around? I can’t think of anything worse. I think I would have had enough of grandchildren by that stage. But um, I imagine but I was still around, how how good will I be because I was listening to a guy called Dave Asprey. And he’s got a podcast. And he, in many ways, he’s a complete lunatic. You know, he basically tests things on himself all the time. And he was saying that he believes that he’s going to live to 196. And he said, that’s, that’s not just a figure I’ve come up with. He said, That is because technology is whizzing ahead so quickly, that by the time I get to sort of in my 60s and 70s, it will be able to do that. Do you believe that? And is it? Is it good to prolong life that long so that we’re walking around seeing great, great grandchildren? Still on their phones still ignoring us still miserable? Well, you know, is it worth it?
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [34:07]
Absolutely. And absolutely. And I think mine is to 15 mines to 15. I want three I want to live three centuries, and maybe more I might recent more. So I love the optimism. And I guess the first question is, I think it’s absolutely worth it. Because I think our elders are they have wisdom that they can pass down. And the longer we have them around, the more that they can pour into the younger generation and stop what’s going on right now in terms of just being glued to the phone and, and being in these habits that you’ve mentioned right there. I think we have more elders around. They’re going to pass this wisdom, they’re going to make society better. And so I think absolutely, and I just think it’s cool. I just really think it’s cool to to to have something like that and Just think about, think about what you can accomplish. So for me, there’s so many things I’m interested in so many things that I have on Like, I literally have a list of things that skills that out that I’m going to partake in. And the thing that’s stopping me is time. And so when you have 215 years, in my, as I tell myself, time, time exists in a very much different vacuum. And I think this helps also, business wise as well is that you’re not just always chasing just to short term gains, just because you have a long term outlook. And when you do that, that’s setting yourself up for longer sustainable success, and not just to be a blip in the radar, or just to have a good quarter or to or have this roller coaster. In your business. Now, you’ll have that initially, I think we all go through that. But, but the goal is to get to a point where you don’t have that. And I think we need to keep that long term investor mentality, not just with your health, but with just with your life in general. Everyone’s going to benefit everybody.
David Ralph [36:06]
I like this, because I’m interested did in being fitter. I can’t really be bothered by actually having a plan laid out in front of me is a road map. As such, I think I would actually follow it. You know, instead of just trying to do it on my own terms. I’m somebody who likes a minute to follow. Give me a manual, or learn it, and then I’m okay. And so what did people get? What am I would I get a book? Would I get, you know, weekly slaps around the face, but I’m not doing this. How do I get accountability?
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [36:45]
Yeah, so you have my number that you can call anytime. And and then we have some people is different. Some people
David Ralph [36:53]
usually do back give you a phone out, but people can call you.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [36:58]
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Cuz it’s not. It’s not like I’m not working with hundreds of people at a time. So yeah, it’s, they can call me. And the thing is with these calorie people, and I think the energy we put out the energy we get back, they’re not going to no one’s ever abused it. So no one’s ever gave me a call at 1am.
David Ralph [37:14]
I would, I would, because I’m I don’t know what hours I am behind that. That’d be the perfect time for me to phone.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [37:21]
Actually, I think it’s six hours to six hour difference. I think here because last, yes, I think six hour difference from Nashville to the UK. If I remember correctly,
David Ralph [37:29]
I would have me as a client, I’ll be calling you be calling you all the time or work. So so so you’re very accountable. So you will so I could own you up and say, Julian, I’m struggling. I was potato chips are calling me. You would help me out?
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [37:46]
Yeah, yeah. And this because sometimes think about you have, maybe have an upcoming trip coming up, and you want to set a game plan around that trip, or think about a hotel and pick up a hotel that has a strategic location close to a gym, or a hotel that has that has a has the equipment you need. And just little things like that. And some people like weekly calls, check ins, whatever you call them, and then some people don’t. And so that’s kind of how that’s kind of how I go with that. And so um, and then I also, everyone has a biometric device. So basically a wearable that they wear on their wrist, or some sort. And I can look at that data. So we can look at that. And so we get a printout. And we can see how you’ve been doing just in the big picture of things. So that’s one way as well is that we’re leveraging technology to kind of monitor how you’re doing?
David Ralph [38:41]
Can I confess something is a bit weird to compare CEUs. But for the last 10 minutes, I’ve been thinking of you naked as a 215 year old thinking to myself, do we really need that in the world? You know, it’s alright, if you can get to 215. Looking like you do now. But if your 215 looking like a 215 year old, so where would we be on that? Because I am 52 Now, and certainly from 45 onwards, I’ve aged quite a lot, then and now I’m thinking God, if I’m like this at 52, what am I gonna be like? 215?
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [39:18]
Here’s the cool thing. I think and I think this is the first step to really getting society on this board with us crazy people, as some people say, is, I think we have this idea of what ageing is in our head. And it’s generally not positive. Who says that we have to who says that we’re going to look weak and feeble, you know, in our hundreds, I think that’s maybe that’s what we see now, but years from now. There’s there’s going to be technology and things as well to help with that as well. So maybe I’m 100 but I look 45
David Ralph [39:59]
Yeah, but you Have you’d have old men scrotum, 100 year old man scrotum, which is which is long dragging, horrible, horrible stuff is certainly
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [40:10]
not necessarily, you know, we don’t know that. And I think that’s why the future is so bright. And I’ve just I guess I’m sure, I’m a pure optimist as well. So I’m a pure optimist. And the good thing about this, and I think he will tell you that too, about living in 180 is not everything. Everything is not known just yet. You know, we have a lot of ideas. That, but not everything is known yet. We do know that life expectancy, providing you’re doing the foundational stuff that you should be doing on a day by day basis, we weekly basis, that’s going to just give you extra life, extra years of life, just from that right there. And then you’re going to have some of the more medical interventional stuff that’s going to come that’s going to help as well down the line. So I wouldn’t think about it, if listeners out there. I would say I forgot who said this. But he’s he asked people how long do you want to live? And they said a number. And then they said, Well, what if you were just Why did somebody say like 88? Well, what if you get to 87? And you’re still feeling good, and you’re healthy and everything? Why would you live longer? And a lot of times I think people have this fear that the older they get, the more dependent they’re going to get the more weak and fragile in, they’re going to lose their memory and all those things. I think we have this negative perception of ageing. And I think that scares a lot of people into really thinking about this kind of the way that we think about it.
David Ralph [41:43]
Yeah, I agree. I’m not scared of dying, but I’m scared of over living. beings just sitting there because my mum zero at the moment. And she’s got a terrible life, just you know, just, you know, she won’t do anything. She’s just kind of given up. And I almost want her to die. I know, that’s a horrible thing to say on a podcast. But you almost want her to just telling to go if you’ve given up and give up properly.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [42:10]
Yes, I I agree. Because there’s a difference between and that’s why when we think about, we don’t just think about lifespan. And we don’t just think about health span. But we also got to think about it well span, we want all three of those pillars, we don’t want to just be 120 Just to be 120 and barely can get around. And we have these pictures of you know, people taking pictures of us like this is the oldest person living but we’re all wrinkly and weak and stuff. We don’t want that. We want to be able to, like I said run around and still have some some type of vibrancy to our life. Even with this age. So we want all three pillars. So that’s a key thing to keep in mind too. You’re not just getting 180 200 years old just to do it. But you’re doing it still while kicking ass in life as well. So you want all of those.
David Ralph [42:56]
So So how old are you? I mean, at the moment,
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [42:59]
I’m 35 You’re 35? Right? I’m
David Ralph [43:02]
52 Or just coming up? 52. So I’ve got what 18 years on you. Is that why 18 years? 17 years 17 Okay, so 17 years, so I’ve got to get to 232 for us to match up, though so I I will meet you in a bar. I’ll be 232 up 215 I’ll meet you in Tutsis wine bar on the Broadway in Nashville. And where we will raise a glass and say we’ve done it
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [43:34]
sounds good. We’re gonna say it looks like we’re going to honkytonk him. But I have to warn you. I never know maybe by the time I’m 45 and I see some of the stuff that’s coming. I’m like, you know, maybe 250s better so that I might keep upping the ante.
David Ralph [43:49]
I guess you’re telling me already. I’m, I’m already worried about me. sclerotome I can’t get to 272 I really, really can’t. Anyway, you have pulled me totally off track on this episode. I haven’t played any of the speeches or whatever I do. But I am going to do this. And this is the part of the show that we called a sermon on the mic when we get a chance to send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self, not your 215 year old self but your younger self. And if you could speak to that person, then what advice would you like to give them well, we’re gonna play the music and when it fades, it’s your time to find out. This is the Sermon on the mic
Unknown Speaker [44:33]
here we go with the best bit of the show. The Sermon on the mind the sermon on
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [44:53]
all right. 27 year old Julian, a few years out of medical school The first few years out of medical school, I was operating mainly on adrenaline. Then about 27, I got to the point of what the hell am I doing Oh my god. And two things that I would give myself. Looking back. Now, the first thing is the only thing to be afraid of is time. The failures in business, the missteps that we have in our careers, nearly all of those things can be replaceable, and you can bounce back from you can bounce back from losing money, it’s not comfortable. But you can bounce back from that. The only thing to be afraid of is time, and not taking chances, which you did. So give yourself credit for that. And the second thing is to do things for the intention, not the attention, do things for the intention, not the attention. And that’s my serving,
David Ralph [45:53]
the old and sweet. So, what best way I can connect with you today?
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [46:00]
Yes, you can just go to the home base to artist fitness in life.com. Or since you’re listening to this fantastic podcast, go ahead and hit the subscribe button on my podcast optimal health for busy entrepreneurs.
David Ralph [46:12]
We will have all the links on the show notes. So Julian, thank you so much for spending time with us today and joining up those dots. And of course, please come back again, when you’ve got more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining up those dots and connecting our paths is always the best way to build our futures. Julian, thank you so much.
DNA Expert Julian Hayes ii [46:31]
Thank you so much, David, I really enjoyed this conversation.
David Ralph [46:37]
So do you want to live to 250 and meet us in a bar in Nashville? Is it going to be possible? You know, that there was a time now age was terrible. And now age is not really a thing. Or it’s it’s manageable. There’s there’s movement movement all the way through. But I do like this fall of actually having a DNA roadmap where you can look at it and go, Yeah, your body probably doesn’t like red meat. So don’t eat red meat ate more a bit because I’ve heard many people do similar things, but not in such a kind of mathematical way. So yeah, I think it’s a great thing. So if you’re feeling a bit sluggish or you just want to feel really really good. Come across to Join Up Dots. Look for Julian Hayes a second. Met with him and you can connect with with him at the art of fitness and life.com as well. Until next time, stay sexy Cheers. See ya. Oh by
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