Elizabeth Tryon Joins Us On The Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast
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Introducing Elizabeth Tryon
Elizabeth Tryon is today’s guest entrepreneur joining us on the Steve Jobs inspired podcast Join Up Dots.
Today’s guest is a slight departure from what we have seen recently for sure.
Elizabeth grew up in New York State, where she sang pop songs by Madonna around the house and started writing her own pop songs at an early age.
Then when she was nine years old her school music teacher told her she had the voice of an opera singer, and took her to see her first opera.
Her great-grandfather was a virtuoso musician who signed with Victor Records in the 1890’s, but no one else in her family ever listened to classical music.
Which is a really interesting position to find yourself in.
Most people will struggle with fighting their way to a new future even if they are surrounded by people that have the same passion as them.
How The Dots Joined Up For Elizabeth
Find yourself in a world, where very few people understand what is going on inside you then it comes down to a huge amount of hustle muscle, and personal belief.
And so she worked at her talent, found the right people to work with and a few years later sang her first classical piece, and has never looked back.
But even more interesting is her refusal to do things any other way than her own, and is blending many different styles into her repertoire, even comedy with an off the wall version of “Hot Stuff” by Donna Summer.
So with all the avenues in front of her to travel, how does she make the decisions that will be right for her own career, and not dilute her natural born talent?
And does she embrace the hustle that it takes to build a career, or would she like to just get up there and belt them out?
Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots, with the one and only Elizabeth Tryon.
During the show we discussed such weighty subjects with Elizabeth Tryon such as:
Why Madonna is such a great role model for anyone struggling with lack of focus and an inability to deal with the knocks that life will deal you.
Why being authentic to yourself and living a life on your own terms is the only way to go as it leads to finding your tribe so much quicker.
How the hustle muscle is not something she likes doing, but has learnt how to let things simply figure themselves out..
How it is so important to find the sweet spot within your own talent to maximize the rewards for the minimum effort.
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Audio Transcription Of Elizabeth Tryon Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling join up dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK David Ralph
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes. Hello. Hello, everybody. Hello, New York. How are you over there? I seem to spend a lot of my time going over to New York used to live there for a while I’m coming away was somewhere near Letterman place open right near Central Park. But it was, it was a good place to go. So I might come back again, because today’s guest is in New York. And not only is she in New York, she grew up in New York. And she is one of those people that has got a talent, which is quite unusual, is quite unusual. And it’s a slight departure from what we’ve seen already on join up dots as I say she grew up in New York State. And when she was young, she used to sing pop songs by Madonna Amanda house holiday. That’s the only one I can do. And started writing her own pop songs at an early age. They went, don’t laugh, don’t laugh in the background, I can hear you. Then when she was nine years old, her school music teacher told us she had the voice of an opera singer and took her to see her first opera. Now her great grandfather was a virtuoso musician who signed with victory records in the 1890s. But no one else in our family ever listen to classical music, which is a really interesting position to find yourself in. Most people will struggle with finding their way to a new future, even if you’re surrounded by people that have the same passion as them but find yourself in a world where very few people understand what is going on inside you. And it comes down to a huge amount of hustle muscle and personal belief. And so she worked at a talent found the right people to work with, and a few years later saying her first classical piece and has never looked back. But even more interesting is a refusal to do things any other way I own and he’s blending many different styles into her repertoire, even comedy with an off the wall version of hot stuff by Donna Summer. And I watched that earlier. It’s good. So we’re gonna link to that one. So with all the having us in front of her to travel, how does she make the decisions that will be right for her own career, and not dilute her natural born talent? And does she embrace the hustle, but it takes to build a career or would you just like to get up there and help them out? Well, let’s find out. As we bring on to the show to start join up dots with the one and only Elizabeth. Try on. How are you?
Elizabeth Tryon [2:32]
David? It’s so great to be here. Thank you for that amazing introduction. That was awesome.
David Ralph [2:39]
It’s lovely to have you on even though I could hear you laughing at my Madonna impression, which isn’t good. Come into your host in assaulting the host before we even started.
Elizabeth Tryon [2:51]
I was laughing with you. I thought it was great.
David Ralph [2:54]
So let’s get straight into Madonna.
Right? Because he’s obviously well she’s been around for a long, long time. And did you see a recently when she fell down the stairs at the Brits award? Did you see that in America?
Elizabeth Tryon [3:06]
Yes, I saw that. I know I thankfully she was not heard. But yes, I and I did see her rebel heart tour in New York actually. So it was really nice to get to see her in person. Of course I sang a bunch of the songs with her but just under my breath.
David Ralph [3:22]
Now you didn’t you belted about my older a few times in concert at Wembley Stadium many many years ago. But talking about Madonna, as I say when she did fall down those stairs, although it was kind of shocking. And it was finally did impress you like it did me and probably the most of the United Kingdom. How she was so professional. she’d gone out when most of us would have been clutching our sides going, Oh my god, you almost thought it was part of the routine? Did you see her in an even better light because of her?
Elizabeth Tryon [3:53]
That’s right. Yeah, a lot of people thought it was absolutely part of the routine because she didn’t miss a beat. And yes, I I admire Madonna, so incredibly much. And I think she’s just, she’s just has this tunnel vision. And she won’t be taken off of her her goal. So I think once she gets she gets the bit between her teeth. And that’s it. She’s She’s going to do it. And I so admire that she just can’t be distracted, no matter even if she gets dragged down the stairs. Yeah, but
David Ralph [4:23]
you seem a lot like her in a kind of a nice way. Because I’ve been stalking you for a while Elizabeth looking around. And you do seem to have hustle muscle, big time you do seem to be getting out there. Because I think it must be nice to be at a point in a career where a lot of it’s taken care of. And you just get out there and you do the sort of singing. But obviously, you’re getting up there all the time. But you’re also getting down there all the time, you’re having to get dirty to do the good stuff. Does it? Does it annoy you that the hustle? Was it your natural talent to do that? Or that you you’ve got to learn it?
Elizabeth Tryon [5:01]
That’s actually a really good question. nobody’s really asked me that. Yeah, I mean, in some ways, in some ways, it does annoy me for sure. Because I where’s that assistant? I’m still doing assistant, and someday someone will answer.
But on the other hand,
it is interesting, because when, when I’m sort of left to my own devices, which has really been the case for most of my you know, most of my life, it’s interesting how things work themselves out, and how I kind of have learned, I don’t always do this, but I’ve learned how to work to not work so hard. Because I find, as I’ve been going along that it’s as I set a certain intention. And I say I’m going to do this, that I don’t have to know all the answers. And I won’t know the answers, I’ll only know you know, the first little tiny piece, which is okay, I want to do this. And maybe I only have one of the steps. Okay, well, you know, I could just do this simple thing. And there’s a lot of trust, there’s a lot of releasing that into the universe or the the either the wider world and just saying, Okay, what will happen next, and then something always comes up, if I’m, if I’m definitive enough, if I’m determined enough, if I have that Madonna, you know, vibe of, okay, just get up and keep going towards it. If I’m determined enough, I think that that’s the biggest hurdle. And then as I, as I like put down the stake, things sort of come to me or people will tell me something, or I’ll overhear something. And so it’s sort of this magical way of feeling supported. And so I feel like I have assistance, you know, from the wider world, even though I don’t currently have somebody that I could say, Okay, look up all of this on the inner net. For me,
David Ralph [7:01]
I think what you’re saying bear is number one, you are playing to your super talent, as we say on the show, and you’re finding the sweet spot, but makes things become easy. And in business, generally, we work really, really hard on the things that we don’t like doing. And we find the stuff that is really easy actually brings about the biggest reward is like this show, for example, let’s talk about myself for a moment. If you are in podcasting world, a lot of people go, it’s not important about how big your audience is. And based on that kind of justify, but if I’ve got a tiny little audience, the show is going to be good. Now, I think that if you’ve got a huge audience, they a lot of the things are going to become easier for you, you’re gonna have, you know, high class people like yourself coming to the show, you’re gonna get more opportunities. So for me, the sweet spot is getting the biggest audience as possible. Now, we’ve yourself is about making your voice operate in a different way. Is that like a sweet spot? How do you differentiate yourself within that environment that you’re in? To find your own personal sweet spot?
Elizabeth Tryon [8:12]
Yeah, that’s a really good question. That’s a great question. And yeah. Yeah, it varies, I think, from time to time, you know, depending on the situation, but yeah, absolutely. For sure. One of the biggest things for me was training my voice as well as I possibly could. And, and then, but yeah, it, I think, the personal sweet spot, a lot of it is just saying, I’m going to do this. And there’s no doubt in my mind that I’m going to do it. Because when I was at Conservatory, and I’ve actually never told anyone this story, which is kind of weird, but but you bring it out in me David
David Ralph [8:49]
is all about, yeah, we probably be fine with.
Elizabeth Tryon [8:53]
You do. There you go. So I was at conservatory that, you know, vocal concert, when I was 18. And I really had wanted to get in. And I got in. And I wasn’t learning very much. It just wasn’t the right environment for me. And I knew that I wasn’t really, I wasn’t really learning to sing the way I needed to. And it wasn’t, I wasn’t going to get anywhere if I kept doing that. And I said to myself, what would I do? If I could just do anything that I wanted? If I could just train in any way that I wanted? Like, what would be the best thing. And my intuition said, I would live in New York, and I would study with teachers who were affiliated with the Metropolitan Opera. Mind you, I didn’t know teachers that were affiliated with the Metropolitan Opera. But this just came into my mind. And I would take different music classes at different schools in New York, like whichever ones I thought were the most helpful. So I’d sort of design my own curriculum. And I get a college degree through all of this, even though technically, I wasn’t in college. So that was what came to my mind. And it’s just seemed kind of ridiculous, because like nobody that I knew of had ever done this, I didn’t know how to do it. And for some reason, I just had this definite sense that I was going to do it. And I felt this almost this relief, like I’m taking charge of my own life. Instead of going with the flow of what I what I think I’m supposed to do, I’m actually stepping up and taking charge. And there was just such relief, I remember. And so I said this, I started saying this to people at the end of the semester, I’m going to leave, I’m going to go back to New York, and I’m going to study there. And people just were saying, You’re crazy, like have you gone completely insane. And a lot of people said this to me. And somehow I just, I just wish sure that I was so relieved that I was taking charge that and I just somehow knew that it would work out. Because I just went with the feeling of relief of like, yes, that just feels right. I don’t know anything about it, but it just feels right to me. And so I just stood there in people’s offices while they kind of had convulsions and seizures, and not really but you know, but they were just saying, Well, what are you doing? And you know, you’re just destroying your life. And I said, I just feel such relief. I just know it’s going to be fine. And sure enough, within like two weeks before I came back to New York, I had a teacher that was lined up. And within three weeks after I came to New York, everything fell into place, like every single thing. And I didn’t really do much of anything. I mean, I called a few people, I talked to some people on the phone. But mostly it was leads were sort of given to me people contacted me or people. I mean, they did I initiated the contact, but people would say, Have you thought about this? Or have you looked at that? And or I would read something that suddenly I said, Oh, I should look into that. And it just it wasn’t much work, it actually unfolded. I think the main thing was the sense of trust in myself this sense of relief that I had the sense of, I know it’s going to be okay. I know I’ll find the find the way. So I think that’s finding my sweet spot is whenever I do that, you know, whenever I kind of connect to my intuition and feel the sense of relief and feel like I’m present with myself and I’m not giving. I’m not giving over control to something just because I think I should do it. I’m really listening to like what feels right for me. I think that’s the sweet spot.
David Ralph [12:31]
I think you’re right, because I as I say I was watching your hot stuff video. And I was thinking this is a bit bizarre. It’s a little bit bizarre. I enjoyed it a lot because it blended it blended something and afterwards, I sat there thinking, what is this lady done here. And I thought to myself, I know what she’s done. She’s bridged that gap between me and her bezza connection between us, which to be honest, a lot of the opera singers, I’m a great opera fan. You know, I could listen to net Nessun Dorma when a football match is playing, a lot of it is a bit kind of warm, a bit kind of fallen for my liking. That has a kind of an identity, but I looked at and I thought, yeah, she’s onto something here. She’s onto something, what you’ve done, literally created opportunities in my mind. And if other people see it, it will create opportunities in their minds as well. Did that was that video that you did? And I am going to link to it because it is great. And it’s funny and you are very comedic in the way you’re doing it. Did that open doors? Did people say to you once again, what are you doing? going mad?
Elizabeth Tryon [13:46]
Yes, some people did. I think some people will always will always say that. Because, you know, they love you. And they want that, you know, they just, they’re just scared. Whatever it is that you might be doing. Live might seem a little crazy. But yes, but it did. And I’m fortunate enough. I am. I’m fortunate enough to have done a couple of classical music and comedy videos. And one of them that I did. I actually entered it into a competition, a PBS competition. And I wound up getting to I want to get into the finals and getting to perform on PBS this classical music and comedy skit that I did. So. Yeah, so that has wound up opening some really nice doors for me and and i also wound up just very randomly. I met a writer for The I don’t know if you with the tonight show here in there. Yeah, yeah. And I met him very randomly. I met him at jury duty in New York City. How random is that? Right. But I showed him my hot stuff video. And I showed him a couple of my other comedy, classical music videos. And he actually showed it to the producers of of the tonight show. And he said whenever we need somebody to come and sing opera, be funny. will call you. So how random and extraordinary.
David Ralph [15:15]
I can’t imagine is any meeting Elizabeth? Well, I got it what we need now we need finally opera singer. anyone got any ideas? Exactly?
Elizabeth Tryon [15:25]
Exactly. I know how unlikely is that? Right? He was so nice to and he said, I know opera is not? opera is not a comedy. You know? And I don’t mean to say it’s a comment. I said no, no, that’s, that’s okay.
David Ralph [15:40]
But once again, the beautiful thing about all this that we’re talking about is that you are taking control, you are being yourself, you’re not trying to be the new. So and so you’re being Elizabeth, and you’re doing things in your own way. And I’m a great believer that if you put enough of yourself into something, the people that love you really love you. And the people that can’t stand you just disappeared somehow, you know, and you find your tribe, and in your environment, and in my environment that’s so important to find that tribe because tribes start talking and word of mouth spreads. That’s what you’re doing.
Elizabeth Tryon [16:17]
Yeah. And yeah, and there’s such a temptation, right, I think to, to sometimes be that established person and do yeah, exactly what they did as if that’s even possible to do exactly what they did you know, because I find, I started doing that. I started reading biographies of people that had done what I want to do. And I thought, well, how can I do exactly what they did. And then I discovered that there was so many random things. It’s just like your show says join up dots there were so many random dots that were connected. And I realized I could never do exactly what this person did. It couldn’t be they couldn’t even do it exactly the way they did it. And so it was like, it’s not really possible to follow another person’s path. Even though it’s tempting to think, oh, if I only did exactly what this person did. So yeah, and I’m sure that’s true in the podcast. I love how you were telling your story to have this is what’s true for you with how to host a podcast and I just love that.
David Ralph [17:18]
Yeah, I do think it’s, it’s, you know, I’m a bit of an idiot, to be honest, Elizabeth Keynes. I embrace the fact. You know, I say things about after the event, I listened back and I think what the hell was I talking about? Sometimes it’s genius. And sometimes I listen back and I think always, it’s like, the gods were channeling through me and I, I didn’t know what I was saying. And other times, I think, my god that’s going to be out there forever in a day, and I can’t escape it, but it’s me. And the thing is, you can’t replicate it. You can’t replicate somebody’s lunacy. As you know, they can’t replicate your your hot stuff video, it will be a mild, diluted version of what you’re doing, which is what it’s all about.
Elizabeth Tryon [18:04]
So true, nobody can redo my videos, so I love it. Exactly. It’s so true. It’s so true.
David Ralph [18:10]
Now if we take you back in time, but we like to do on join up dots obviously, when he was a young girl. And your music teacher said, I think you’ve got the voice of an opera singer. How did he How did he spot fact because my daughter walks around singing all the time. Meghan Trainor songs and stuff. I don’t think she’s ever come anywhere near a note about I would class would be operatic What? What did he see in you?
Elizabeth Tryon [18:37]
Well, it was actually a woman, my teacher, and she was doing, she was kind of not auditioning, but everybody was going to be in the choir. And she was seeing if you were a soprano, and alto because even the boys were kind of altos because we were all pretty young. So. So she, she had each of us come up and sing scales. And after I sang my skills, and I like to do, you know, really high like shatter glass singing which, at home, which my grandmother was, you know, didn’t really appreciate. I’ve got
David Ralph [19:09]
to stop you there. Have you actually shattered glasses?
Elizabeth Tryon [19:13]
Oh, I’d love to shatter glass. But it technically, opera singers can’t shatter glass. So I did do it in one video, but it was fake. Oh, so that’s a myth. That’s a myth. The most we can do is make the window panes rattle, which we can do. But we can’t shatter glass. Because in order to do that, you would need an amount of sound that no human could generate. But it’s a great myth. I love it.
David Ralph [19:38]
I feel cheated. I thought that was always the case.
Elizabeth Tryon [19:42]
Now it’s always sugar glass. It’s always a fake. Yeah, yeah. Dad
David Ralph [19:48]
lives here, Elizabeth. There’s all these people out there that were building careers. Breaking glasses, saying to their moms, this is gonna be viral. And now you’ve ruined it.
Elizabeth Tryon [20:00]
No, I want I thought it was true. And I said all Can I do that? And people said, No.
David Ralph [20:06]
Well, when you get back on to the story, now I’m just gonna sit here in despair.
Elizabeth Tryon [20:12]
Sorry, to burst the bubble. But yes. So yes. So I so I sang my scales. And she said, Elizabeth, you’re an opera singer. And I thought, What? And, and the only way I knew about opera was from watching Sesame Street, you know, when I was younger? Because they would. They told us what opera was, you know, they had a couple little episodes about it. brief little episodes. And then you know, from channel surfing on TV, sometimes you’d come across somebody singing opera and think that’s weird. And at least I wouldn’t kind of change the channel. So. So I said, I don’t think No, I don’t I don’t think I am. And she wound up. She kept saying that she’s like, no, you’re an opera singer. And it kind of was like, you know, in the Harry Potter when, when Hagrid says, You’re a wizard. And he’s just like, what? I think you’ve got the wrong birth. And then he takes him to die on alley kind of an you know, it says know, there’s this whole tribe of people that are are doing this. And and Harry’s really shocked. So it was kind of like that, because there’s this whole group of people, especially in New York City who are doing this, but you have to know the right brick to tap on, you know, to get to the alley. And so if you know one person, they can introduce you. So she took me to, she took the whole class to see to to an opera to matinee performance. And I didn’t like it. And I just because it was it was long. And it was, it was loud. And it was kind of almost, to me, it seemed almost sort of violent, like the way they sang so loud. And I was just unfortunately, still can’t shatter glass, which is too bad. But I just didn’t really get it. And I said to her, I don’t think I’m an opera singer. But she kept in, you know, kind of following me around telling me it is. And so I started listening to more opera. And I went back to the opera. And I heard one opera, where this wonderful singer Natalie to say, such an amazing singer was singing in my voice type. And I just suddenly, I said, I can do that. And I just suddenly remember feeling so excited. And just knowing that I could do it and that I wanted to have a similar sound to what she did. It was such a beautiful, beautiful sound, it kind of sounded like a bell in the room. And I just, I just never heard anything like it.
David Ralph [22:51]
That is a beautiful moment, because that ties up with so many of our episodes, it ties up with my own personal story, you’ll be surprised, but I am the world’s most famous English opera singer. Now, I’m not actually. But one of the things that you tied into there was the fact that I say to everyone, if you get that feeling of, I think I could do that, then that is a great place to start. Yes, you need to work, you need to tune your skills, whatever. But my story just really summarizing it. I remember hearing a podcaster once and just having that same for, I think I could do that. And as soon as I got that idea in my head, everything else kind of followed suit, it was like the dots lined up somehow. So that is a real great thing for the listeners out there to think about, isn’t it? If I see somebody and I go, either that looks fun. And I could do that. Or I could do that, then start looking at it. Because that’s that’s touching something in yet deep inside you that is laying sort of latent, dormant ready to go.
Elizabeth Tryon [23:54]
Yeah, it’s so true. It’s so true. And I think at that moment, it’s a moment of decision. And I think, probably in your case, I think in that moment when you say I can do that, because I had a similar feeling when I saw comedy ones in the park, I saw improv comedy. And I said, I, I can do that, I would love to do that. And I didn’t know how and then shortly thereafter, an opportunity came. So I think when that happens, almost look, look out for the opportunity, because probably shortly thereafter, you will find some kind of opportunity will be brought to you it just seems to be how it works. So even if you think I could do that, but I have no idea how I would ever start. Usually like an opportunity is coming your way at that moment. As strange as that is. I don’t know if you experienced that. But that’s what I’ve experienced.
David Ralph [24:43]
Well, let’s play some words now. And then step into the second part of our conversation. I love playing these words, I’m going to keep on playing them. Here they come Jim
Jim Carrey [24:51]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an account. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [25:18]
Now, every time I play about Elizabeth, I can almost hear my own voice saying it I can hear your voice saying it that she every single guest. Because there is that moment as we were already touching on but you think I could do a crappy job in applying? Well, I did for many, many years. But just just was this morning and boring. Or I can go for something that is fun and inviting. And it makes me come alive every day. I might fail at that. But at least it’s going to be better to try to do something that has got a chance of success.
Elizabeth Tryon [25:50]
Oh, yeah, no, I so agree. That’s such a powerful, powerful thing. And it’s so true. I think we’re all so afraid of failing. And I just love what he said that you could fail at something you don’t like. So hey, might as well fail at something you like. And, and and keep on going with it until until it’s successful. It’s something you like.
David Ralph [26:13]
Now obviously with yourself, there’s going to be times when you’re standing up on stage, and you are belting out the song and in sort of America’s Got Talent or whatever, they press a big red button. Now, you must have had so many times when you’ve been doing your absolute best, but the person in front of you doesn’t like you for some reason. Yeah. How do you overcome that? How do you sort of go? Yeah, okay, that’s your point of view. But hey, you’re not going to stop me, I’m going again.
Elizabeth Tryon [26:42]
It’s so true. And and that’s so difficult, especially when you’re putting it all on the line of something you feel really passionate about it. I remember vividly when you said that being in a record, record company office, and the guy sitting across from me. He was talking about combining pop and classical music, which of course, is my passion. And he said something about the difficulty of that. And I just practically lit up because I said I’m so glad you brought that up. Because it’s something I’ve thought a lot about, and I can’t wait to tell you my thoughts and I start telling him like, my great thoughts. And he’s not listening. He’s staring kind of above at a spot above my head behind me. I see his eyes glazed over. And I’m thinking, Oh, my goodness, he’s not hearing a word that I’m saying. And, and there was just nothing I could do. I was telling him my wonderful story. And it was just I could have been talking to a wall. And then he wasn’t
David Ralph [27:45]
married to him by any chance. Because that’s that’s what happens.
Elizabeth Tryon [27:52]
That’s a typical experience.
David Ralph [27:55]
experience that maybe 20 times a day.
Elizabeth Tryon [28:01]
I love that. Yeah, got it felt like that. Exactly. And then, and then he didn’t sign me and it was so close, you know, to being signed. And he didn’t sign me and I remember continuing to think if only I had somehow, I don’t know, set off a bomb at that moment or something that would
had made him listen or something slightly
David Ralph [28:23]
dramatic. But yeah, yeah, we’re waiting to go to terrorism to get a record contract.
Elizabeth Tryon [28:30]
was willing to go there. I would have gotten very, I was thinking of signing the contract and blood I was had been violent images were just coming. So that’s how passionate you know, I was feeling about
David Ralph [28:42]
it. You know, I loved it when bin Laden won a Grammy. That was that was brilliant, wasn’t it that he went the same route?
Elizabeth Tryon [28:55]
How awful right? Wow. Yeah, well, you have it, it’s it’s the violent need for for the violent drive for success. Right? The patch the violent passion that well up. So that was you know, I was just going crazy. And I remember thinking I wish I had like, set off a bomb or done something pulled the fire alarm to make him listen to what I was saying. Because if only he had heard me, you know, he would have given me the record deal. And it was one of it. He was almost he was saying, My giving you the record deal. You know, that’s just the first step. It was like he was so close to giving me that. Yeah. So, um, so yeah, so your question was, yeah, like how to overcome that and say, you know, this just wasn’t right, the right person. And it’s, again, I think it’s that tremendous faith in faith in the wider world and faith in yourself to say, I know, I have something to offer it, you know, that, again, that comes to that sweet spot, I think of that moment of self trust and saying, I know, I have something to offer. And I know that the people who are going to hear what I am saying are there. And this wasn’t the person. And later I found out, which I couldn’t have known at the time I found out that I mean, I still technically would have totally signed the deal and blessed but I have no doubt that that it just it probably wouldn’t have been the best fit for me, just based on some other stuff that happened shortly after that. So there has to be that level of trust of saying, you know, if somebody is not listening, or they’re not open, then maybe it’s just not the ideal situation. And maybe if you did get that situation, it wouldn’t have ultimately served you. So somebody said, and I think it’s really a good statement that there is no rejection, there’s only the wrong fit. Yeah. And it’s hard to remember that. But when you really do remember it, it really is true, this only the wrong fit. And it’s just saying we’re not a good fit. But that’s there’s other people, you know that that’s okay. But you hear
David Ralph [31:08]
it through every single artists, they they’ve all got ripped off, they all have big managers, they all and you think to yourself, really, you know, you’re such a legend in the music industry, and you can still get ripped off. But it’s, it’s got to happen resonate with the amount of kind of shady characters in your environment, you know, you seem you seem lovely. And I’m sure that you’re going to go on to knock Josh Groban off the top, if that’s what you want to do. And but there’s a lot of people out there that are quite happy to do it in sort of shady ways, and you’re going to come in contact with them. And if it feels wrong, as my mom always says, it probably is.
Elizabeth Tryon [31:49]
Yeah, it’s so true. Yeah, it’s amazing. This level of trust in Yeah, like you say, your own feelings that you need, you know, trust in your intuition, trusting your feelings. It’s so true.
David Ralph [32:04]
So So what scares you, Elizabeth, as you’re sort of moving on, because you are once again, you’re in one of these environments bit, literally every day, you’re out there, and you’re going for it. And as you are pushing that envelope more often than not as you go into bigger arenas, and wherever you’re going. It’s scary. Time is scary.
Unknown Speaker [32:24]
Oh, yeah. It’s scary.
David Ralph [32:26]
You are always scared. When are you at the moment?
Elizabeth Tryon [32:29]
Yeah, yeah, I would say I would say there’s always a level of fear that there and I think one of the things that scares me the most is having that sense of feeling a feeling, in one sense, relieved, like, I’m, I am doing what I want to do. And the other sense, scared because I don’t have control of everything. And all I can control is my own little piece of it. So I can do my hot stuff video and and then it’s out in the world, I can do more with it. So people can respond exactly the way that they want to. And they will and that’s and that’s wonderful, actually. I mean, it’s, it’s a really good thing. And it’s also scary thing, because yeah, and even writing songs can be scary because I don’t have control. I only I start with an intention to write a song. And one little thing comes to me and then I just do that thing. And then the next little thing comes. But I’m not, I’m not the one driving it really. I’m kind of, I’m kind of in the driver’s seat. But I’m not really driving something else is driving the car.
David Ralph [33:38]
Paul McCartney always says that every song that he’s ever written, he feels like he’s, as he says merely the vehicle. Somebody else is like giving it to him. And as it’s coming through Him, He will sing things that he thinks I’ve never thought about the tunes that he hadn’t ever sort of dwelled on at all. And at the end of it. He’s got this song. And he it says, the quicker he comes through him, the more he believes in something bigger.
Elizabeth Tryon [34:06]
Hmm, yeah. Yeah, that’s beautiful. Beautiful. And it’s so yeah, it just feels like, I’m not really, I’m not really driving this. And it can be scary because you sort of surrender this control. And, and it’s the same thing. I remember getting up to perform the one time so far that I got to sing at Lincoln Center. And I stood up and I remember thinking that I really was giving a message that it wasn’t really about me that I felt I felt like I was there to give a message to people rather than that it had much to do with me at all. What
David Ralph [34:46]
message a message of it’s possible, oh, well,
Elizabeth Tryon [34:50]
well, this particular song that I was singing, it was a song. Of course, I didn’t write because the classical song, but yeah, it was a song about it was actually a song about about praying. And so it was kind of a, it wasn’t a religious song, really, it was more of a classical song. It was written by Byron Janice, who’s a great classical pianist who also is a composer. And, and it was sort of his personal story in some ways. And I remember just thinking, I feel like I’m here to give this message. And it’s not anything that I would have written or said. But it’s, it’s going to be important in some way. And so it’s important that I, that I say this, and who knows how people will receive it, you know, it’s just it’s important that it just sort of comes through. So, yeah, so it’s that feeling of like, I’m not really that important. It’s just the message that’s sort of important. And, and I think maybe that’s, you know, Paul McCartney writing the songs of saying, you know, this message is way bigger than, than me just writing something
David Ralph [35:53]
going on. Can Can you speak the languages because I had a gentleman on episode 296, called George dire, who’s an American opera singer. And as I was talking to him, he was saying, but he can’t actually speak the language. He and I actually fought that all opera was Italian. That’s where I thought he was, but I think it was Spain as well, as was it? Oh, is that right?
Elizabeth Tryon [36:15]
Yeah, there’s an Italian number of French or German opera, of course, Bogner. And you know, the horns, Russian opera. And
David Ralph [36:25]
that’s got the old for Roxanne Oh,
Elizabeth Tryon [36:27]
yeah, yeah, I actually don’t really have many parts for my particular voice in Russian opera. So I never had to study Russian. But it is helpful. I don’t I’m not bilingual. But it’s helpful if you can study the language, because when you have to memorize it, it’s really hard to memorize total gibberish. So if you are familiar with the words, because I’m not, I can’t really speak I studied Italian, French and German, kind of almost at the same time, so I would confuse them. I know it’s not English, basically.
David Ralph [36:58]
Yeah. You know, you can speak English. I can speak English. How many times have you got up to do karaoke? And when the words are in front of you, you think I’ve never seen these words before? It’s totally different words.
Elizabeth Tryon [37:13]
Yes, I have experienced that. Yes. And that’s
David Ralph [37:16]
our own language. So in sort of Russian or in Spanish, or whether they could, could you if you went wrong, could use the mic up as you go along? Oh, oh, is that possible?
Elizabeth Tryon [37:26]
I have done that. Sometimes. I think I think probably every singer at some point has done that. Whether they admit it or not.
Obviously not supposed to do that.
David Ralph [37:36]
And what do you what do you do? Do you change the words? Or do you change the lyrics? Do you end up singing? An Italian recipes? Do you actually go about it?
Elizabeth Tryon [37:47]
Um, it depends it sometimes you wind up I’ve been not that I’ve done this often. Of course, I can’t believe I’m revealing these things.
David Ralph [37:54]
No one listens.
Elizabeth Tryon [37:56]
Okay, good. Thank God, thank God, nobody’s listening to this. But times, I’ll find myself singing something from a different part of the song. So I’ll be actually saying the word because because it’s kind of like doing an improv, you just have to sing what’s coming into your mind because you have no time. So. So sometimes some other part of the song will come to me, so I’ll be singing those words. Or sometimes I’ll just sort of be singing. Yeah, like some Italian words that I know that aren’t necessarily the word. But of course, I don’t often do that. I mean, that’s, that’s very rare.
David Ralph [38:34]
I’ll believe y’all come, come tell one word from another. You could sing anything to me. I’d buy into that. It’s perfect all the way along. I think most people would as well.
Elizabeth Tryon [38:43]
Because the good thing about taking it a foreign language, right?
David Ralph [38:47]
Absolutely. We’ve got no idea what you’re singing about. You could be singing lyst Sonia Sonia for under times that that’s that’s all I would know. So where are you aiming for in your career? Because you are as I say, right, every beginning of the show you are somebody who’s getting out there and you’re hustling and you’ve got a lovely engaging personality so I can see working in many different sort of areas. If I had to say you’ve got to choose one, you’ve either got to choose the sort of pop singing, the opera singing, the the the hot stuffs kind of stuff. What would you go with?
Elizabeth Tryon [39:20]
Well, thank you David so much. I would definitely go with being a pop classical crossover singer. So as you said someone that is similar to Josh Groban or in the UK, is Katherine Jenkins. And I’m not exactly like either of those artists but definitely pop classical. Because she’s
David Ralph [39:42]
Katherine Jenkins Isn’t she you got to admit she kind of keeps it too much doesn’t she just calm it down? Catherine you don’t have to go for pill
Elizabeth Tryon [39:54]
I do admire though that she she does she does speak to a lot of a lot of UK people which is which is great.
David Ralph [40:01]
For this in your in your sort of talented ear? Do you listen to her and go just go down a bit? just just just whisper one song. You can imagine getting up in the morning and her husband saying Would you like a cup of tea and she’s
Elizabeth Tryon [40:19]
always that you know opera singers in the shower. It’s it’s a nightmare.
David Ralph [40:23]
Do you sing in the shower? Did you sense Oh,
Elizabeth Tryon [40:24]
yeah. Yeah, we we don’t come out sometimes. Like the whole Act One or something and people like oh my god.
David Ralph [40:32]
You look like a 90 year old woman how your skin so wrinkled that you shower for the
Elizabeth Tryon [40:38]
water log. So there is that temptation, you know that all opera singers have to just sort of really go for it all the time.
David Ralph [40:47]
So he dreadful, dreadful Elizabeth, I’m not letting you go.
Elizabeth Tryon [40:51]
I plead the fifth. I think I think you know, any artists is, is wonderful. That’s appealing to many people. So so I have to go with she’s she’s awesome.
David Ralph [41:02]
I’m waiting for the duet between the two of you. That’s what I’m waiting for. That’s gonna be perfect.
Elizabeth Tryon [41:06]
That would be great. That would be great, man. definitely different. You know, we definitely different. But yeah, but so that’s my real goal. So I’m coming out with an album in the next couple of months, and it’s going to be on the cobalt. It’s going to be associated with the cobalt record label, which is super exciting.
David Ralph [41:24]
And what’s it called? What’s this album going to be called?
Elizabeth Tryon [41:26]
It’s interesting. I haven’t decided on the title yet. So if anybody wants to weigh in, they can always they can always email me.
David Ralph [41:36]
a life full of dots. What about that life for the dots? join up. There’s another one.
Elizabeth Tryon [41:42]
I love it. I love it. And then you could have really cool dots on that. You don’t like you know, the dots and Baskin Robbins. I love. I love those.
David Ralph [41:52]
When when you when you’re not being Elizabeth, this is an interesting question. I bet you’ve never been asked this. And you’re just being just ignore me, Elizabeth. Is that is that easy? As? as a performer? Do you always feel the urge to perform? Or do you quite like a time when you you disappear?
Elizabeth Tryon [42:08]
No, yeah, no, I definitely don’t feel the urge to perform all the time. That’s for sure. And I remember somebody said something like you could sing opera. We were in a museum and he said, you could just come right out with opera singing right now. And I thought, wow, that’s the last thing I want to do. So yes. So sometimes if I’m in the shower, I’m really going for it. And other times, I just thought, Well, I wouldn’t do that. I’m really happy to just sit here.
David Ralph [42:36]
And well, once you know the best thing when you’re laying in bed and you’re you’re belting out Nessun Dorma for the fifth time?
Elizabeth Tryon [42:42]
That’s a good question. Yeah, I know, all my neighbors, I always have known all my neighbors wherever I am. Even in hotels, you really get to know people, and I try not to sing when it’s late at night or early in the morning. Of course, sometimes, if you have an early gig, and you have to warm up, there’s no way around it. So I thankfully have only had one person complain because the only time that someone’s complaining every everybody else is usually really supportive. So yeah, so there was that one time so it can always have I heard that Placido Domingo I think it was was singing in in an office building in New York and somebody came out it absolutely completely they just said I can’t believe this man is doing this is so rude. And
David Ralph [43:31]
because I’m I used to walk around my office singing all the time. Not not all, I it the little voice singing, you know, this sort of under your breath kind of singing. And when I’m walking around my house, I’m always belting out the songs I write songs. And normally, they’ve got a lot to do with my kids being idiots, and kind of creating lyrics based around their idiosyncrasies to sort of wind them up somehow. But um, I can’t stop singing I love it. I love that song or to a bit of bit of Rick Astley always goes down. Well,
Elizabeth Tryon [44:00]
I love it. We’ll see. That’s the thing is that. I think it’s wonderful when people sing and and yeah, they’re just enjoying life. people sing in the elevator and stuff. I think that that’s, that’s awesome.
David Ralph [44:12]
Now that’s a bit weird, isn’t it if you’re in an elevator
Elizabeth Tryon [44:17]
if you’re in the elevator, but sometimes, you know, you’ll hear somebody singing and then they’ll Vader gets there and they stopped singing when you get in. It would be weird if you were kind of standing there. And they they started doing that. Although I did sing on the school bus, one’s going home. I was six and I just started singing and a whole bus was totally silent. People were just in shock. I think
I just couldn’t hold back.
David Ralph [44:40]
So so this is you, isn’t it? This is this is the story that link to you to everything your age six. So this is a few years before your teacher, we were saying I think you should be an opera singer because opera singers are kind of full on. And what he or she saw was not the singing. It was the passion. And that’s what comes out of you, isn’t it?
Elizabeth Tryon [45:00]
Oh, thank you. That’s a lovely thing to say. Well, thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I’ve always loved singing and sang everywhere. And I remember also my friend, I was visiting my friend and her father was driving me home at from her house. And I was probably five. And I said to him, I’m going to sing. And I said it really firmly because I didn’t want him to say no. So he said, Okay, if that’s how you feel. And then I sang, probably, you know, loudly, a song from musical theater. And and he said, Oh, thank you.
I just demanded it.
David Ralph [45:39]
What are you doing jazz hands at the same time?
Elizabeth Tryon [45:42]
It probably was. And I just thought it was that, you know, I’m going to sing and he said, Okay.
David Ralph [45:51]
You say he knew he couldn’t stop it. It was a fire that was burning and burning.
Elizabeth Tryon [45:55]
He was kind of like, okay, yeah, like I’m, I’m not gonna be able to do anything about this. So you might as well just go for it.
David Ralph [46:05]
Well, what I’m going to do now I’m going to go for something, I’m going to play some words which are so vital for a show like ours, they’ve been said nearly 11 years ago. But I want to see how they reflect with you Steve Jobs
Steve Jobs [46:17]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [46:52]
So what are those words mean to you? Do you do accept what he’s saying is a truth.
Elizabeth Tryon [46:57]
I love it. Yeah, definitely do. And I think he’s so right when he says about faith in yourself and faith in the process. And yeah, I just think that’s the sweet spot is saying, I believe that this somehow is possible. I trust. And I don’t know where it’s gonna go. But let’s try it. Yeah, reminds me that, what is it? The Two roads diverged in the yellow wood and the Robert Frost? Was it Robert Frost, Paul? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I love that. And I took the road less traveled by and that has made all the difference.
David Ralph [47:37]
So do you think that you have traveled your own path? Or do you think that path was just waiting for you? Have you have you sort of cut down the foliage and sort of move through areas that perhaps you shouldn’t be going? Or do you think it is your own path?
Elizabeth Tryon [47:53]
And that’s, that’s a beautiful analogy. I definitely think sometimes I’ve gotten off the path. And then other times, I’ve definitely followed my own path. And for the most part, I feel like I’ve followed my own path.
David Ralph [48:06]
So what would be your big fan? We always ask people visit Elizabeth, when you look back over your life to where you are today. There’s normally a conversation or situation or whatever, that you look back on you go Yeah, I think that’s where we started to come together for me.
Elizabeth Tryon [48:22]
I think I mean, they, there are several of them that I I feel like I have I think one of them was when I accepted that I could be a songwriter, and an opera singer at the same time. I think that was probably the biggest one. And that actually happened in a in a motel room in Idaho. kind of strange, but, and I had this I needed to write a song just because circumstances just happened that I was in a situation where I was going to be recording a song, and it became a unavailable. And the only other solution was that I would actually write a song and recording. And remember sort of having almost this breakdown of crying and laughing and just saying, I can’t do this, like this is ridiculous. And it really was like these kind of few moments of just panic. And that really did feel like it was it wasn’t really me choosing the path, but it was sort of this, this path opening up for me. And once I did it, you know, wrote my first song and started saying, is there a way I can combine classical music, classical singing, and pop, singing and songwriting? Is there a way to combine those two things? It felt like a road opened up for me. So yeah, so it does feel like there is sort of this path that’s already maybe there. And just accepting willing to down it. And because I really didn’t have this sort of breakdown for like it half hour where I just said, This is stupid. I kept saying to myself, This is stupid. This is stupid. And so so yeah, so that was something I could never have thought up for myself. But it turned out to be exactly what I wanted to do. And as I got into it more, I said, I love this I really want to do this
David Ralph [50:17]
is fascinating, isn’t it? How life throws you something. And if you catch it, and you look at it closely enough, you realize it’s what you’ve been waiting for, but unless it’s thrown at you, you’re not gonna go looking for it.
Elizabeth Tryon [50:28]
Yeah, you’re not gonna go looking for it. And it does remind me I’m movie that was ages ago, Dances with Wolves. Give them the movie. And the, the woman who’s the Native American woman is she’s asked to translate for the the lead character because she speaks English. So she’s asked to be the translator. And she just goes crazy with saying I don’t want to do it. And she runs out of the, you know, the TP that she’s in, she’s crying. And then she winds up not only doing and liking it, but but falling in love and marrying the guy. So of course, that’s a movie. But it reminds me of that of just being so dead set against wanting to do something and so scared. And then it turns out that’s you discover you’re really happy doing that, and that that’s this huge gift in your life.
David Ralph [51:18]
Yeah, gifs everywhere. Absolutely. Well, this is the end of the show now. And this is the part we’ve been building up to when we send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young Elizabeth, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give? Well, we’ll find out because I’m going to play the theme and winning fade. Europe, this is the Sermon on the mic
Unknown Speaker [51:46]
with the best of the show.
Elizabeth Tryon [52:03]
Wow, that’s a great introduction. Well, this is me, adult Elizabeth talking to six year old, young Elizabeth. And I would say that I love you. And it’s so wonderful to have this chance to talk to you. And I’m so proud of you for just being yourself. And there’s so many exciting things that are in store for you. And I just want to tell you that you are just as powerful as anybody else that you’ll ever meet in your life. There are two kinds of people, there’s only one kind of person. So no matter what, when you meet a lot of people, and some of them are going to be in positions of authority, or they you’ll think that this person has all the answers, and they’re so amazing. But you have just as many answers inside of yourself. So I know that’s sometimes hard to believe, but believe that that’s true, because it really is true that there is not powerful people and non powerful people, there’s just people, and everybody is equal. And we all have equal access every single person. And every single person is struggling with their own things. So nobody has all the answers. And the second thing I’d say is that reality is better than fiction. And reality is better than anything that you could ever imagine. So you don’t have to worry that things aren’t going to be as good as what you dream of because they’re actually going to be better because real life is is more fun and more amazing than anything that you could ever dream of. So those are the things I I want you to know.
David Ralph [53:57]
Elizabeth, what’s the number one best way better audience can connect with you.
Elizabeth Tryon [54:02]
If people go to my website, which is www dot Elizabeth try on.com. And that’s all one word and try on is spelled just the way it sounds try o n try on. And if they go to my website, and they want to sign up for my newsletter, they’ll get all the details about my upcoming album including the the name of the album, maybe join up opera, who knows with the dots, I love it. And they’ll be able to hear this wonderful podcast and and get all the information.
David Ralph [54:36]
Well, it’s been an absolute delight to have you on the show. It just suddenly dawned on me Elizabeth, What rubbish host I am. I did more singing venue did your professional. I don’t know what came over with me. But I’m thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining up those dots. Please come back again, when you have more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Elizabeth, thank you so much. Thank you David so there you have it. How many times do you hear that? I think I could do that. I think I could do that. And once you get that you’re really off to the races. You’re really starting to go and the passion will build up. And it’s not hard. Yeah, it takes a while you have to connect with people you have to hustle you have to setbacks. But believe me, it’s not as hard doing something that you really enjoy doing. Even if you have those struggles as it is getting up every day and doing something that you don’t like doing and I spent many years doing that. So believe me, think about it. I can do that. and away you go. Thanks very much for listening to this show. It’s great one today finally enjoyable. But as I say I should have gotten testing I missed a Mr trick where thanks very much for listening to this this was David Ralph another episode of join up dots
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