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Introducing Adriana Gavazzoni
Adriana Gavazzoni is my guest today, on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots free podcast interview.
She is a lady who is doing things that from the outside might seem a bit unexpected.
But that is what makes her perfect for a show like Join Up Dots
She is a Brazilian lawyer, former legal professor, author of a textbook on international contract law, as well as the author of the hot sizzling sexy legal thriller “Behind The Door“ and its follow up Lara’s Journal: A Sizzling, Psychological Suspense (Hidden Motives Book 2)
And this sounds like my kind of book.
Simone Bennet is on a long vacation, trying to heal from the trauma she suffered at the hands of a serial-killer kidnapper. After looking death in the face, she tries to develop a new outlook on life—live in the moment!
Carl, the charming lawyer, is back, asking once more for Simone’s help, this time in analyzing Lara’s journals, which were discovered by her siblings after her death. In her own words, Lara divulges all her secrets, and reveals a dramatic world of betrayal, passion, and the most unusual sexual behaviors, exposing the beautiful architect’s troubled life.
Well, of course we will discuss her latest work, but what interest me most is where she directs her passions.
How The Dots Join Up For Adriana
How does she know what she should be doing next in her life, as she speaks four languages: English, French, Portuguese and Spanish, she also studies Chinese.
She loves to dance (Tango) and workout.
She loves to travel, loves good wine, and has been studying astrology for fifteen years
If this is not enough she also likes to paint and cook.
So with all these different interests how does she manage to create something worthwhile, and not end up simply dabbling here there and everywhere?
And when she was a young girl, what did she want to do most in her life. Was it an author, or has this taken her by surprise?
Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Adriana Gavazzoni.
Show Highlights
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Adriana Gavazzoni such as:
How she remembers always wanting to break the rules when she was a small child, bef0re she discovered a law book in her father library and realised that laws were her future
Why the ability to tell a story is so powerful and can be used in law, marketing, sales and our own personal lives for massive effect.
How she find her ideas for stories characters and situations almost by magic….in fact she gets too many ideas
and lastly….
Why she always give the advice to budding writers “you should never worry about getting your story out to the world. you simply have to get the story written and then worry about the marketing afterwards.” Great advice
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Full Transcription Of Adriana Gavazzoni Interview
Intro [0:09]
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK. David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:34]
Yes, hello there. Good morning to you. Well, good morning to every single one of you who listens to Join Up Dots. Thank you very much for being here again today. We have got a lovely lady and I’ll be honest, I shouldn’t share this. But she said something to me but not many ladies say and she said slow down. David, will you slow down let’s make this last a little bit longer than will normally be the case. And so I’m going to do that because she’s a lady For a Brazil and so English isn’t her native language and of course, I normally go for it really quick. So I’m going to be a lot slower this time I’m going to speak a lot more soothing, a little bit more sexy, a little bit more Husky, and try to and try to bring the show to where it needs to be because she is a lady, but from the outside might seem a bit unexpected, but that’s what makes her perfect for a show like Join Up Dots. She’s a Brazilian lawyer, a former legal professor, author of a textbook on international contract law, as well as the author of the hot sizzling sexy legal thriller behind the door and its follow up. Lovers journal, a sizzling psychological suspense, hidden motives Book Two. And this I tell you sounds like my kind of book. Simone Bennett is on a long vacation trying to heal from the trauma she suffered at the hands of a serial killer kidnapper. After looking death in the face, she tries to have a rule. So again, I’m so excited by this, she tries to develop a new outlook. Life live in the moment. Now cow the charming lawyer is back asking once more for someones help this time in analysing lovers journals, which were discovered by her siblings after her death. In our own words, Lara devoted all her secrets and reveals a dramatic world of betrayal, passion, and the most unusual sexual behaviours exposing the beautiful architects troubled life. Well, of course, we’re going to discuss this and her latest work. But what interests me most is where she directs her passions. How does she know what she should be doing next in her life as she speaks four languages, English, French, Portuguese, and Spanish. She also studies Chinese she loves to dance the tango and work out. She loves to travel, loves good wine and has been studying astrology for 15 years. And if that’s not enough, she also likes to painting cook. So with all these different interests, how does she managed to create something worthwhile and not end up simply dabbling here, there and everywhere? And when she was a young girl, what did she want to do most in the life? Was it an author or has this title? can hurt by surprise. Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Adriana Gavazzoni. Good morning to you Adriana. How are you?
Adriana Gavazzoni [3:14]
Good morning David,very well very happy to be with you and you sound very sexy this morning with your husky voice.
David Ralph [3:24]
I’ll say that again. Say that again so that I can get on speed dial or at least habit to be the sound but my wife hears every morning when our alarm clock goes off that that would be good, wouldn’t it?
Adriana Gavazzoni [3:36]
You do a great character on my next book. I’m going to be inspired by your voice.
David Ralph [3:42]
You do that? I’m gonna get straight into this. What kind of character would I be when I be a racy UK podcaster when I be a handsome middle aged guy. What kind of character would you claim?
Adriana Gavazzoni [3:55]
Oh, we are going to be the hand some mysterious English guide appears from nowhere and turns the story upside down.
David Ralph [4:06]
This is going to be a movie. I can’t wait for this. And I’ll tell you what, if you need somebody to play the part, I’ll do it for you. I’m gonna do it for you. And so
Adriana Gavazzoni [4:14]
I’m going to consider you be sure of that.
David Ralph [4:18]
Thank you very much. So how do you get your ideas because I was in the shower this morning thinking, Oh, I’m going to be interviewing you. And I was thinking, a lot of the kind of books that people write. They can’t really go and do a lot of research on it. For example, murders you can’t go out and think why can I kill a few people? And then I’ll see how it works. To put it into my book. How’d you get the ideas? How do you make sure that it’s real?
Adriana Gavazzoni [4:45]
Oh, I have a liver problem I’m going to share with you that brings me lots of ideas independent of anything I suffer from def is attention. So my mind really has lots of ideas. I have a huge imagination. But I read a lot. I’m a voracious reader. I read a lot. I’m addicted to movies. And those ideas come from all that from that huge imagination, from movies from books from every place, but to put a killer in my book it was because I thought something was lacking there some violence so I decided to put a murder it’s just like that the ideas is brought into my mind.
David Ralph [5:37]
And when you’re writing it, do you think to yourself, oh, this this this isn’t me. This is like a character coming out of me or do you actually think deep down? Yeah, I could do this deep deep down, I could go out and and knock a few people off.
Adriana Gavazzoni [5:53]
I’ll dip down. I like to knock some people down. But I wouldn’t do that I can even cure right crises. I just love people and then a mouse and so I couldn’t do that. But deep inside of me when I’m on a bottle lots of cars around me I would like to kill someone I have to be true, but I couldn’t do
David Ralph [6:19]
now I couldn’t I’m a lover not a fighter that’s that’s the way that I operate in my life and nowadays there’s not a lot of loving going on either but, but if I can, I’m gonna have the loving before the fighting Adriana.
Adriana Gavazzoni [6:32]
Oh, me too. I’m that kind of person. I used to say that the most wonderful sensation I feel in my life is space. I love to be in place to be calm. I hate a roller coasters emotions. I love roller coasters, but not emotions like roller coasters.
David Ralph [6:55]
So if you look at your life has it been one that has been peaceful? Because you have done an awful lot, you should be about 92 years old. With the amount of study you’ve done, the amount of work you’ve done, all the kind of things that you practice it, it would seem that pace isn’t part of it. If you’re rushing off and doing Tango, and been rushing off and studying Spanish and rushing up and doing Chinese, how do you find the peace in your life when you’ve got all that going on?
Adriana Gavazzoni [7:23]
Hardly. I’m not a peaceful person. My life is not peaceful. That’s what I mean. I run a lot. I have tonnes of things to do. And as I have a deficit, that tension with hyperactivity, I can stop. I really can stop. So that’s the reason I gave so much importance to peace, to be happy is to become but it’s hard to achieve that because I’m always moving. I need to be movement. I need to be around I need to dance. I need to practice law I need to write. I need to do 1000 things during a day and then I go to bed and I almost I’m almost dead. But it’s hard to find pace. I struggle to get there. It’s not easy to me.
David Ralph [8:21]
Do you have a partner in your life? Adriana? Do you have a special person?
Adriana Gavazzoni [8:27]
Yes, I’m married. I have. I’m married. After three failed marriage. I’m married to my first boyfriend to my sweetheart. So we have a different marriage of cars. We live in separate houses. But I have a special person the life of cars
David Ralph [8:47]
is a question that I was leading up to was with. Once again with your hustle and all the things that are going on. I find it time and time again in Join Up Dots but one partner can almost anchor be of a partner if you’re not careful. They can actually stop you doing the things that you want and then the friction occurs is your partner very supportive with all your activities?
Adriana Gavazzoni [9:12]
Very, very, very supportive.
I’m a lawyer and I was writing in erotic novel. It’s not our erotic, it’s most thriller and suspense, but it has a 10% of erotic and very erotic. And he was very supportive. He does use it to say, because as a writer, I used to read for him, he gives me some advices. He says, Oh, I don’t like that. This character is not Mayor enough. Things like that. But the only thing I used to say is, look, you’re a lawyer, how that will sound to your clients. How that will sound to people around you just think about that and go ahead.
David Ralph [10:06]
I think if my wife was writing an erotic book, I would be spending all my time going, where’s these ideas coming from? Because they’re certainly not coming from the person that I’ve married to 25 years ago. Is it a surprise to him? When you’re coming up coming up with these ideas? Does he kind of go without being too personal on this? And you can tell me not to answer ask this question. But does he kind of tick it off? Yeah. Okay. I can understand that one. Where the hell is this come from?
Adriana Gavazzoni [10:33]
No, he never questioned that, I believe because he also has attention deficit in he has lots of imagination. So he never question Where does ideas come from? And so he was supportive. He found something hilarious or he liked it a lot. And just supportive never question.
David Ralph [10:59]
Now, if we take you back in time, what what was the first passion when you was a little girl? The little Adriana running around Brazil? Or maybe you didn’t grow up in Brazil, but maybe you did. What was the first passion? Because it seems to me that sort of dancing a movement is a big part of your life. You I can’t really imagine from what I’ve seen of you over the last few weeks. And from talking to you here. I can’t imagine you wanting to be trapped behind a desk. But of course, you went into law you went in as a legal professor. What was the little andriana looking for?
Adriana Gavazzoni [11:34]
Oh, I want to be a scientist than a discover scientists must deal with some rats and as I’m scared of rats, I abandon the idea. Then the lire Deanna decided she must be an astronaut, but it was too far from home. To go down that profession I gave up. But then I wanted to being named engineer, but I’m a failure at mathematics. And I want it to be everything you can imagine I tended my idea. Every day I had a new idea about my future. I never thought I would be a writer. When I was 12, I decided to be a lawyer because books give me this, they always give me peace of mind because I could concentrate in one thing for time and it was great for me. But when I was 12, I found a law book inside my my father’s office. And it was great to me to know there were rules, people must obey rules. And I wanted to be the person who practices those rules. And I decide to be a lawyer and never changes my Mine from that age.
David Ralph [13:02]
Well, what was it about the rules when because that seems a strange thing for children or a child to want to sort of conform to even at my age now, I love breaking rules. I hate rules. If there’s anything that’s stopping me doing something, my kids always say, oh, dad, dad, just Just for once pay attention, but I just need to break it if somebody’s telling me not to do something. What was it about the rules review that really was a positive.
Adriana Gavazzoni [13:30]
I was a disaster. Our little devil I was always breaking the rules. For my mother suffered a lot in my hands because as I was hyperactive, I couldn’t obey. I was always doing what went into my head and as it changes so quickly, I was always doing a lot and breaking all the rules. I’m going to tell you a secret. It’s not a secret in my family. But I was drunk for the first time at the age of three years old. I was so crazy. I call laid a Felder and got some cognac and drank a lot. I wasn’t an alcoholic coma. So you can’t imagine how old I was as a kid.
David Ralph [14:22]
Oh, I can’t imagine and I are you still on the cognac now? Or do you look at it and think, oh, that’s the last thing I want.
Adriana Gavazzoni [14:30]
No, no, I’m just a wine guy. I hate cognac.
Unknown Speaker [14:38]
For my whole life, oh Wi Fi. I find
David Ralph [14:42]
it fascinating though, that you wanted to break rules. But then you saw a book that was making the rules and you thought yeah, that’s the way forward it just intrigues me that that was your starting point. Especially when at your essence. You are creative. You can see it you love The DOM, she loved the painting. You love the writing, everything is about creativity. And in many ways, creativity is about freeing yourself from the rules that people set up so you can do your own thing, isn’t it?
Adriana Gavazzoni [15:13]
Yes, it seems to be two different things. But it’s not. When you’re dealing with rules, you’re always finding a way to break the rules. And being alarmed is nothing more than being a writer. And main of all the judiciary Brazilian system, we have to write to the judges first and then we go in front of the judge to defend our clients. But first of all, you tell our written story. And I’m so used to tell stories and of course you are a lawyer. It’s a sprint is similar to a liar. You have to find a way to tell your clients truth in a very poetic form. So it’s dealing is rules is nothing more than finding loopholes on need and breaking it. So it’s great for me. I love that.
David Ralph [16:11]
And telling stories is so powerful, isn’t it from writing a book to being a lawyer to in business hours and marketing is all about telling a story that connects with people. Have you found that a skill that you’ve got fine tuned now because of your work in law?
Adriana Gavazzoni [16:33]
Sorry, I didn’t understand your question, David. I probably
David Ralph [16:37]
didn’t understand it myself either. What I was trying to say is because you are focused on telling a creative story to your your jurors in the legal sense. Has that made it easier to put your ideas down into paper?
Adriana Gavazzoni [16:55]
Yes, yes, I believe it makes much easier because you’re using To get to tell stories, and when you go to the paper, it’s just about that convincing someone about a story about something you are making. And but you have to feel that when I write and they try to convey things, I try to convince myself first of all, so when I can convince myself the story is believable. Then it convince others. I think it’s all about that being a lawyer being a writer, you have to convince people
David Ralph [17:35]
and belief is it is it personal belief, when you’re writing something when it comes true to you, that’s when you feel comfortable to put it out to the world.
Adriana Gavazzoni [17:46]
Yes, yes. I need to feel the emotion when I’m writing. Sometimes I cry. While I’m writing. Sometimes I laugh from my own ideas. Sometimes I hate my ideas. It’s going to be believable when that happens. I love when people ask me, I Lara, are you Simone? Are you this or that character? Because I put so much emotion or need. I would like people to have that idea. Maybe she’s that person maybe she’s telling heroines story.
Because they’re believing if they think that they are believing someone like that really exists.
David Ralph [18:31]
Before lady or lady. If they’re thinking about you are the character but he’s doing all the sexy stuff. That’s that’s hard to deal with, isn’t it?
Adriana Gavazzoni [18:43]
Oh, no, I never separate. I think like being a lady being a woman being a man. I was raised by a father that thought I have to have my way. So I don’t think in those terms. It’s Off to write about that being a lady. It’s tough to write about that because people usually have lots of prejudice and bias. Concerning sex. It’s a boy it’s it’s not an open subject and when you write about that, wow, being a lady or being a man, it’s something so you are you are dealing with the forbidden side of life. It looks something like that.
David Ralph [19:34]
It’s great though in it in it great to be able to sort of put all those things down on a page. I’d tell you what if I started on that kind of thing, Adriana. I don’t think I’d be able to stop. I think it would just be page after page after page I’d be banging out.
Adriana Gavazzoni [19:52]
Maybe, but it’s very it’s also very exciting to write about those subjects. You can put all your fantasies, you have fantasies, Dave, Come on, tell me, you’ll have a lot of fantasies. You don’t go outside they’re doing them. But think if you can imagine out that and put out there in the paper, it’s a way to turn in your fantasies into reality in some way. I can’t
David Ralph [20:23]
remember the last time I had a fantasy to be honest. When when you say that, when you said that to me, I thought, do I make something cup? Do or do I go with the truth? I don’t know if I do now is am I at the age now that kind of fantasies have either been done or, you know, you’re moving on into the next stage of your life when you put that in a box?
Adriana Gavazzoni [20:48]
Oh, moving on the next stage of life. That
is your question. I don’t think about that. I really don’t try to think about What it’s going to be next in my life. I kept doing things I tried not to plan a lot. I was always like that I tried to live the mom and that’s the reason you told I it looks like I’m nine years old because I did so much things. It’s because I don’t plan that much. I don’t think what I’m going to do next. I just do. I keep doing and I tried to leave David, trying to be happy. I really have a philosophy of not being happy. If something makes me happy. Then I move on for next stage in life. But if I’m happy if things are going, Okay, I’m going to be there. I won’t move. Live continue care me. If I’m comfortable. I’m going To go,
David Ralph [22:03]
Oh, I was hanging on every word where I was I was so focused, but I didn’t know where I was. Well, I’m going to play some words now. And then we’re going to delve back into the actual writing process because I know there’s so many people out there that will be fascinated on how you’ve managed to do this and get a book out to the world. He is Jim Carrey,
Jim Carrey [22:21]
My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [22:48]
So, based on those words, when you started writing your book, did you care about ever coming out to the world? Was it just to write the book or did you think yourself No, this has got to be on every Amazon bookshelf by the end of the year.
Adriana Gavazzoni [23:06]
No, I write to myself, I read to myself since I was 10 years old. As I said before about reading the same news for me. When I write, I come down, I had peace in my mind, I can focus in just one thing. So when I ride, I ride to calm myself. I ride to find balance and asked cars when you are doing something. You always think he would be great. It’s alder. selling a lot at Amazon. If it’s a huge success. It’s great. But I don’t work for that. I write for myself, they don’t write. Thinking about the readers. I write thinking what I like what I would like to read in a novel. So I’m going to displace a lot of personal I know Some people are going to like my book. But basically it’s for me. I don’t plan as I said before, so I don’t know if it’s going to be a huge success or a huge failure. It’s a huge failure. I’m going to start again. I’m going to do another one. And, okay. It was a big success to me to accomplish a task to go from beginning to the end to put a beautiful cover. It’s like a kid. When you have a son, I don’t have sons. I don’t have daughters. I don’t have kids. But I believe it’s the same sensation. When you have a kid when a kid is born. You don’t know what’s going to be is going to be a failure of our success, but you love him or her anyway. So I love her books. If they are going to be a success for Destiny got the live to tell but I just read for pleasure.
David Ralph [25:07]
Now that’s very interesting because in business sense we’re always talking about you create the business based around the Avatar The ideal customer so the marketing’s right, but you think writing a book certainly for you, you write it for yourself and then the world can make up their own mind.
Adriana Gavazzoni [25:26]
Yes, yes, that’s what I do. I write for myself, and I hope people enjoy my ideas. Some are really enjoying. I didn’t get any bad opinion like I hate her book. From a man I heard your right to love sex lady. Okay.
David Ralph [25:51]
Did you did you just ignore him because you can’t you cannot listen to that kind of common tree. A man saying bad either. Obviously mental, isn’t he?
Adriana Gavazzoni [26:02]
I don’t know. It was a surprise. I could expect that from a girl because we are more more. Let me use a better expression tight as concerned just sex. But usually men, if they are they don’t show and that man told me he wasn’t going to give me five stars, because it was too bad language and too much sex was funny, but it was his opinion. Maybe I was too aggressive for his taste.
David Ralph [26:34]
Yeah, but that’s a great review to have, isn’t it? If it’s on Amazon and it says this book has got too much sex in it, people are going to go wow, I’m gonna I’m gonna read that. That’s what 50 Shades of Grey did. I remember being on holiday in Turkey. And literally every single woman was reading 50 Shades of Grey because they all shared and the school playgrounds, it was all full and I picked up that book. And I read the first chapter I thought it was rubbish so I put it down but that’s it sales doesn’t it it sells and is if you’ve got a review saying there’s too much of it in there. You’re gonna be you’re gonna be world famous Adriana.
Adriana Gavazzoni [27:15]
Oh, I hope so. But talking about 50 shades might not novel was a complete different formula. I believe 50 shades is the formula of preview woman Do you remember that movie from years and years ago? It’s the it’s Cinderella. It’s basically Cinderella. The poor girl meets rich guy reach guys. It starts to give her gifts and the police he has to pay the price of being spank.
Unknown Speaker [27:44]
That’s good.
Adriana Gavazzoni [27:46]
So it’s another formula. It’s not like that my book it’s completely different. Sex is not Bonilla needless sex like it is and on that movie. It’s hardcore stuff on my
David Ralph [28:03]
oh my god, I’m like I’m gonna read this book now you’ve really I’m gonna cancel all the recordings for the next two days and I’m gonna sit and read both of your books and I’m gonna come out Oh, I’ll tell you what my wife enjoys as well. That’s that I’m doing it for her is gonna be a gift for her Adriana.
Adriana Gavazzoni [28:23]
That would be great. I recommend you to read with your wife. We are going to have fun.
David Ralph [28:29]
Ah, here we go. This is this is the greatest show I’ve ever recorded. It’s like live coaching bombing. Well, this is perfect. So did you read 50 shades? What did you think of it or did you not read it?
Adriana Gavazzoni [28:42]
I tried. I really tried but in my opinion
it’s it’s really
pretty warm on formula. It’s more for teenagers. For young girls want to plan to find Prince Charming, and the guy is Prince Charming. He’s at the age of 20, a successful boat to read. And that’s a formula for teenagers are particularly didn’t like it, but it has its merits. It’s selling a lot. I like my book to sell like that. But I didn’t like I really didn’t like it.
David Ralph [29:28]
Well, I didn’t either. So we’ve got we got some income in there. So for the listeners out there, if somebody has got an idea, they’ve got a story in their head and they feel like writing a book. Is it harder the marketing of the book than writing the book or is the writing the hard bit? Because I imagine a lot of people write a book and then struggle to get it out into the marketplace.
Adriana Gavazzoni [29:52]
Okay, first thing of all, I’m going to tell to those people, right? Okay. When you have your book, read You are going to think about that. Because if you start to worry about publicity finding an agent, I find in that publisher, you’re not going to write. So you believe you have a good story you write, then you will start to worry about publicity. I receive it 100 rejections before I was accepted by a publisher 100 they know what is to receive 100 letters that say to you, you are not good for us. We don’t like you, you’ll start to feel a little bit miserable. But oh, Orson Welles was rejected by everyone. He had to self publish. That was the idea I had. I’m going to publish I don’t mind how in one day I received a letter from a publisher and the publisher told me Want to publish you? I was I had so bad luck that that publisher closed the doors, but it was too good to be published by them because I’ve learned a lot about marketing. Not I didn’t learn all but I have some notions. And I decided to go along with Amazon right now, because I didn’t want to go to the first race and now I’m going to find another literary agent. Things like that. So just write, use your imagination to write when the book was writing. Think about it. Okay.
David Ralph [31:39]
And what so you get it onto Amazon. And then I imagine you go around all your friends and say, give me reviews, give me reviews, try to get a bit of momentum. Is that how you do it? Is that how people get their books noticed on that platform?
Adriana Gavazzoni [31:55]
I’m a little proud of myself to do that.
don’t like this kind of things?
David Ralph [32:04]
Why? No, I’m gonna stay there. I’m gonna stop you there. Adriana. Why not? That’s you’ve written a book and you want to give it its best chance of getting to the top. Why don’t you ask all your friends and family? Oh, put some reviews up for me.
Adriana Gavazzoni [32:17]
Because it’s not going to be honest. Let’s be honest here. I want to know what people think about my book if I have to stop and just be a liar. So what I do first thing when I wrote my first complete novel behind the door, I gave it to a friend of mine. He’s a Brazilian ambassador. He wasn’t bezel during Canada on that time, in the, in his a very critical person, but the most cultivated man I ever met. He’s 70 years old. He’s a great guy, travelled the whole world and they gave him I told him, can you read this novel for me? And if it’s said, Can you tell me He told me, yes, I can do that for you. And after he read, he told me, come on, you have to publish. It’s great. It’s great. I’m not going, I’m not being your friend here. You have to publish. And that was a good opinion. Because whenever I asked for his opinion, I got the truth. Then I start to search for some bloggers. I gave them free copies of my novel and ask them for anonymous review. And I can tell you sometimes they got three stars, four stars, five stars. You can’t please everybody, but you have to be open for criticism. I’m not going to go after my friends and ask, Can you do me a review, please? Oh, but there. I was very disgusted with Amazon last week because a man I never met in my whole life writer. He did a wonderful review there and they just get because they told that’s not Han as no berries on us to say your novel was going to be a movie or like that. And then I told them, I don’t know the guy. And the review was back. But for me, I love the truth. You’re no with me. I tell stories. But I love to hear the truth. I’m tough. I’m a liar. I’m not just a dreamer. I use it to hear the truth. So I prefer that.
David Ralph [34:37]
I wasn’t sure whether you were saying lawyer or lawyer, but then I’ve thought now they’re all the same anyway. And they really
Adriana Gavazzoni [34:44]
Oh, you know, lawyers are consider lawyers for every berean Do you know where that comes once I was entering United States of America. In one of the guide customers asked what’s your professionalism A lawyer and he asked me a lawyer or a liar. And I started to laugh because it’s what people think. We tell lies, we tell stories. It’s not all if you say, all your client has done, you’re not going to have you’re not going to defend him properly. Exactly how he should be defended. Sometimes it’s a lie. Sometimes it’s not but there is a lot of fantasy around it.
David Ralph [35:33]
And then do you miss back form of work? Do you miss getting there into the courtroom?
Adriana Gavazzoni [35:39]
No, I don’t miss because I go there often. I’m a lawyer. I’m
David Ralph [35:45]
still practising. Oh, I didn’t realise I thought he was a former Brazilian lawyer. You’re Oh, you’re a professor. Okay. Yeah, you’re a former legal professor. So it does give you more stories when you’re in there in the courtroom. Somebody’s saying something TV. Oh my God, that’s a great idea and start scribbling it down.
Adriana Gavazzoni [36:05]
Of course, I can tell you and for the rest of the world, many, many, many of my characters are inspired to stories. I listen from my clients. I’m a lawyer for 27 years now. Yeah. So can you imagine how many stories of listen imaginable things? Lara, for instance, is based on a true story. I worked not a criminal one. But it’s inspired me a lot to write about Lara.
David Ralph [36:45]
And Akasha now inspired to write about the sexy UK podcaster I’m looking forward to this one Don’t let me down. Adriana.
Adriana Gavazzoni [36:54]
What inspired me to write about sex? Well, my family anthesis of course I have a lot of them. I won’t share them with you, David. But I share them with my husband. I think it’s important to have that openness with the person you’re married to share fantasies. And that inspires me to write. I love to read. Things like, sad murky is, since I was a teenager, all teenagers love to read about sex. I’ve always loved to read about sex. It’s good to write about it, too. It turns you on when you write when you read that.
David Ralph [37:40]
Well, it wasn’t the answer to the question I wanted, but it was a better answer.
Adriana Gavazzoni [37:44]
It was sorry. Sorry, if I could understand your question
David Ralph [37:48]
you answered perfectly and I thought we were going to have a fantasy exclusive there just for a moment. I thought we were gonna have an x rated episode. It was gonna be brilliant. It was gonna be perfect. But it didn’t quite happen. Well, I’m gonna play the words now of the late steve jobs that we normally play round about this part of the show. So let’s listen to him again his Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [38:10]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [38:44]
So when you listen to those words, can you join up the dots of your life? Can you see how one thing has led to another to another to another?
Adriana Gavazzoni [38:54]
Yes, yes, I can see all the dots connected to looking forward. And I can see I never really failed in many things. Whenever there was a failure and when you have a failure you consider like that you suffer how I can talk to myself I suffer, how was my failures? It’s always a lesson. It will always it’s always I think that is prepare you for a bigger thing and you are going to be tougher or you’re going to be smarter, or you’re going to be better thanks to the lessons that was more got years ago. provoq your life. So he is absolutely right. dots Connect, I can see where they take me even when I had huge plans for my life and we thought all now it’s going to happen something like that and they failed, and they couldn’t explain how I failed. Now I know What I can use a why it happened that way. I believe in this and they I, I’m a faithful person, I believe in I’m agnostic, but I believe in God, I believe in a source of energy that is going to link all the dots. Okay?
David Ralph [40:23]
Your energy is a big power source. I could sense that from the first time we connected. You are very open. You’re very honest. You’re very in touch with yourself. And that’s a beautiful power to have, isn’t it?
Adriana Gavazzoni [40:38]
Yes, I don’t know if it’s a power because some people are talking by my way because I’ve always been like that. I will always say what’s in my mind. Sometimes that’s a mistake. And I’m going to pay for the doctor. But I’m open. I’m I love my friend. I’d love to be open with them. And I don’t measure too much i’m not i’m going to save I’m not working people can pay me to tell the stories in my work but but in my private life I have to say what’s in my mind I have to be open. But that opens to criticism to to a lot of you are too crazy that that it’s an expression. I’m leasing during my whole life since I was a child. You weren’t too crazy. Ah, you are too different. Sometimes I’m waiting for Mother’s spaceship to come back for me because I feel different being like, but it’s okay for me to works for me.
David Ralph [41:52]
I’ve always felt different as well. If you go over to my about page on Join Up Dots, you hear a story about me and a jellyfish. And I’ve always felt different from everyone. It doesn’t matter where I am, who I’m with, I’ve always feels that my, my mind is operating in a slightly different way which has led me to this path now, which seems to be the right path. So it’s good to do your own thing, isn’t it? Adriana?
Adriana Gavazzoni [42:16]
Yes, I just do what I like. Okay. As I said before, if I’m your lawyer, I’m going to draw it for you. It’s different. But in my life, I just do what I want. I chose never to have kids, for example, that I don’t have kids. Oh, do you know how many times I have to answer to the question? You did? Did you ever regret that decision? I am sure about that. You don’t want kids Hey, I don’t want to do that like kids, but I don’t want I use an expression that talk people but I love to talk people. I use this Say, I love milk, but I’m not going to buy a cow for that reason. So he would go okay for me.
David Ralph [43:10]
I don’t think he should regret it. However, I’ve had five kids and sometimes I regret having the kids. I have to say, No, No, I don’t. If you’re listening to this, I love every single one of you. But it’s testing is testing a quiet life, a peaceful life, I think is what it comes down to. So just before I send you back in time on the Sermon on the mic, is there a big.in your life that you look back on? And you think, yeah, that really was when I suddenly realised what I should be doing in life.
Adriana Gavazzoni [43:43]
No, no many people influenced my life. And I so many people that I would like to be like them for a reason or another, but to say, all that guy that person was the light of my life, and I want to Just like him, No, I don’t have a person like that in my life. I was admired a lot. My father’s philosophy of life, but I never wanted to be like him. And many people will influence my life. I’m always trying to get the bright side of a person and to to learn from from people. So I learned of a lot of violent people in my life.
David Ralph [44:31]
Well, this is the bit of the show that we have been leading up to, and this is what we call the Sermon on the mic when we send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young Adriana, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give? Well, we’re going to find out because I’m going to play the theme, and when it fades, you’re up. This is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [45:00]
Here we go
Unknown Speaker [45:02]
with the best.
Unknown Speaker [45:20]
Well,
Adriana Gavazzoni [45:22]
I would say to the adult Adriana, don’t push the world, give yourself time. Time heals everything in time fixes everything. And the world has its own time. You are not going to change people situations. things in your life potion things. Been a hurry. So slow down, take care and bris main of all breathe deeply and think a lot with our doing things You might regret.
Unknown Speaker [46:02]
That’s that.
David Ralph [46:06]
Adriana, what’s the number one best way that our audience can connect with you?
Adriana Gavazzoni [46:12]
Oh, you can find me through my Facebook I always answer to my Facebook. I love to talk to my readers. I love to talk to people. You can find me to drop my blogger to my blog. You can send me messages there. You can write me an email, I answer my emails. I love to do that. I basically love to talk to people to write to people. So my Facebook is Adriana gave us on he just asked for an invitation. I’m going to invite you or go to my fan page that is open and you can find me you can get in touch with me there. And yes, I help young Maria right ters I give advice for advices. For them, I answer for readers. So you can find me on my site also to send me a message. It’s www dot A jeffersonian.com. And I’m going to answer
David Ralph [47:20]
we will have all the links on our show notes to make it easy for you. Well, thank you so much for spending time with us today, joining up those dots. And please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Adriana gamma zonie Thank you so much.
Adriana Gavazzoni [47:40]
Thank you so much, David, for the opportunity. Thank you so much for your clever questions in Maine of all thank you so much for being slowly for me.
David Ralph [47:54]
I won’t play that bit to my wife. Thanks very much. Bye bye Adriana. Gaben zoni Yeah, she she just does what she wants. And she says it as is. And I think that’s the way to do it, isn’t it if you want to be a writer and be a writer, if you want to be a lawyer, be a lawyer. And don’t think that everything has to join up because as we can see time and time again, I do join up. Anyway, she’s out there, she’s doing it. She’s writing books, she’s coming on English podcasts that aren’t her isn’t her natural language. And, well, she wowed me. So hopefully you felt the same way. If you are an inspiring or an enthusiastic writer, then connect with her. And I promise as she says that she will respond back to you and give you the advice. And that’s what Join Up Dots is all about is connecting not only people’s stories, but connecting people across the world connecting their passions. Thank you so much for listening to Join Up Dots. And once again, we’ll see you again soon. Cheers.
Outro [48:52]
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