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Introducing Mitch Matthews
Mitch Matthews is my guest today on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots business coaching podcast.
He is a man who from an early age made big decisions as to how to get what he wanted in life.
So many people live a life of reaction.
They wait for something to pass them by and then reach out hoping that their fingers might just grab a bit of what they have seen.
This is certainly not the case with today’s guest, as demonstrated at just age twelve, he set his sights on attaining his first “dream job.” (Working at a local bike shop)
So he spent 2 to 4 hours a every day that summer just hanging out, cleaning, and watching.
By the end of the summer the bike shop owner (one of our guests heroes) offered him a job. (It was either that or have him arrested for loitering!)
And that says so much about where our guest is today, inspiring people to take the actions that will make their dreams big and real.
Now this is where it all comes together, as he says in his own words
How The Dots Joined Up For Mitch
In 2006, he and his wife were working on one of their own big dreams (launching a product) and they experienced some significant set backs in a very short time.
He was tempted to give up and go back to something “safe.”
But since this was one of his big dreams, he got the idea that maybe some friends could help.
Then he started to think that maybe… just maybe… he could help some of his friends with some of their big dreams too.
And bang the 1st BIG Dream Gathering was formed, as on a whim, he invited some friends and family to participate in something he called a “BIG Dream Gathering.”
It was only supposed to last for a few hours but it wound up continuing on for a FULL WEEK!
So living a life where you whole aim is to inspire people to take action and dream big, can be so exhausting as every waking second your mind whirrs with the possibilities that abound.
So how has he managed to create the life he wants, business he wants, become a top podcaster and still look like he has just left high-school?
And what is the number one piece of advice that he gives the world, when asked “How do I start my dream too?”
Well lets find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots, with the one and only Mitch Matthews
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Mitch Matthews such as:
Mitch shares how he now realizes that he is a recovering perfectionist, and the steps that he takes to get past these mental blocks.
We talk about how all of us must learn ways of starting small in a business even if you only have fifteen minutes a day. They all add up to something worthwhile.
Why Mitch is such an advocate of resting, and allowing himself to shut down the brain.
He knows what is right for his own body and ensures its part of his calendar.
You might find it a surprise that “Being a freak” is classed as a badge of honour by both Mitch and David and the reasons why.
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Audio Transcription Of Mitch Matthews Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling join up dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK David Ralph
David Ralph [0:24]
Yes. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning, I am excited. I’m only infused I’m empowered to deliver a good show because I know about the guest on the other side of the microphone today. He’s better than me, he’s so much better. He’s a professional, he’s an adult, he’s probably got good hair as well. And he is a man who from an early age made big decisions as to how to get what he wanted in life. So many people live a life of reaction, they wait for something to pass him by, and then they reach out hoping that their fingers might just grab a bit of what they’ve seen. Now this is certainly not the case with today’s guest is David started at just age 12. He set your sights on attaining his first dream job working at a local bike shop. And so we spent two to four hours every day that summer, just hanging out cleaning and watching. And by the end of the summer, the bike shop owner, one of our guests, heroes offered him a job. It was either that or had him arrested for loitering. And that says so much about where our guest is today inspiring people to take the actions that will make their dreams big and real. Now, this is where it all comes together. As he says in his own words. In 2006, he and his wife were working on one of our own big dreams, launching a product and they experienced some significant setbacks. In a very short time, he was tempted to give up and go back to something safe. But since this was one of these big dreams, he got the idea that maybe some friends could help when he started to think that maybe just maybe he could help some of these friends with some of their big dreams to and bang, bang and boom. The first big dream gathering was formed as on a whim, he invited some friends and family to participate in something he called a big dream gathering. It was only supposed to last a few hours, but it wound up continuing on for a full week. So living alone with where you your whole aim is to inspire people to take action and dream big it can be so exhausting, as every waking second your mind words with the possibilities that are bound. So how is he managed to create the life he wants business? He wants become a top podcaster and still looks like he’s just left high school? And what is the number one piece of advice that he gives the world when asked? How do I start my dream too? Well, let’s find out as we bring on to the show, to start join up dots with the one and only Mitch Mathews. Good morning. How are you sir?
Mitch Matthews [2:37]
I am fantastic. David, I gotta tell you that is the best introduction I think I’ve ever had. I’m ready to go, man.
David Ralph [2:44]
Well, you deserve it. You’ve been hanging around the join up dots headquarters since April. With this is the third time we’ve been trying to get you here. And not once did you polish anything? You didn’t do any cleaning? You’ve just been hanging around loitering?
Mitch Matthews [2:58]
That’s just what I do. I wear people down. So I finally wore you down enough to be on the show. I love it.
David Ralph [3:04]
Some people call it grooming but we call it wearing you down. So yeah. So you are finally on the show. And we’re delighted to have you on here. So we’ve got so much to talk about. So number one is you look young, you look young back in April, and you’re starting to look younger Is that a good life is that health and fitness, if you just managed to create the the magical balance,
Mitch Matthews [3:27]
I love it, man. It’s probably just good photographers and some some quality photoshopping. But I would also say, you know, wildly blessed to get to live this life that. You know, there’s there’s days where I even wonder how did how did this all happen. And I love what you do. Because when you take a second and look back, you can see the dots, right like, and sometimes those were wildly intentional and a lot of work. And sometimes those were a fluke or just you divine providence, whatever you want to call it. But it’s amazing. So I think you’re being kind, I definitely don’t feel younger, but I definitely feel excited about where we’re at.
David Ralph [4:11]
But I can only say the only decision that I think I’ve made, which was genius was starting, I think everything else, the real good things that have come out of creating what I’ve created have been flukes. Only because I was doing it did I wind up making that connection or speaking to that person or doing that one thing, it was just the starting that was the big decision?
Mitch Matthews [4:34]
Well, that’s what I love about science, you know, I was not smart kid in school. You know, I was the kid that made most of the kids look smarter, you know. And so I didn’t really like science all that much when I was young, but I’ve fallen back in love with science. I just I love it. And one of the things that I love about science is just their focus on experimenting, right? And and the whole idea of going into a situation and saying, I think, yeah, this is how it’s going to go right? Like a hypothesis. If you define a hypothesis, it’s a best guess, and a well educated guess and how something’s going to happen. And I think, you know, you look at some of the greatest innovators, some of the people with the biggest breakthroughs, biggest ideas, you know, the globe changers, they were just willing to experiment more than others. You know, and and i think that’s exactly what you’re talking about is you did some experiments, and some of those probably worked exactly as you’d hoped some work better, somewhere differently, or worse, whatever. But you just keep going man, and and you inspire other people to do that, too. And I love that. I love that about what you’re doing.
David Ralph [5:36]
I think that’s so true. Although I keep saying to my wife, she should experiment more, and she’s not going there. She doesn’t believe in science.
Mitch Matthews [5:44]
Well, you know, it’s, it’s interesting, I don’t know about you, but I, you know, I got my issues. And I always try to be pretty open about that. But one of my issues is I’m a recovering perfectionist. Yeah. And perfectionism, I think is one of those things that shuts down dreams. You know, it’s tied to worry, but it perfectionism specifically, it shuts people down in their tracks, right? Like, it’s that if I can’t get it perfect if I if I’m not exactly sure how it’s going to play out. I don’t know that I want to start it. And and we don’t, don’t, we don’t generally do that, like, consciously, we don’t wake up saying Well, I’m not gonna do anything new today, right. But we we just shy away from those things, especially if you’re a perfectionist, because, you know, perfectionist are interesting. And I know, you’ve talked about these kinds of things on your show before but I love love diving into this because a lot of people, they’re perfectionist, they just don’t realize it, you know, there’s perfectionist, you know, a lot of times people think if you’re a perfectionist, then your house looks like something that’s on a magazine cover or your your desk at work looks like something you know, that you could eat off of that, like laboratory clean. But But perfectionist are actually pile people, right? Like, we tend to have piles on our desk, because we’ll come back from a meeting, we won’t have a perfect place to put that agenda or that handout or that, you know, pamphlet that we got. And so we’ll set it on the corner of our desk, because we want to wait until we have that perfect place to put that right. And then you come back from another meeting and something else gets put there. And then you come back from something else. And something else, you know, adds to the pile of the pile keeps getting bigger until somebody comes to your desk and then or your boss is coming around the corner. And so you take your pile and you put it under your desk, or you put it in our box or put it back in your briefcase or whatever, at you just got piles all over the place. And that’s perfectionism or a perfectionist also tend to be people who start stuff, but can’t finish stuff because we get to 80% 85%. And that last 10 to 15% just kills us, because we can’t get it perfect. And so we have a whole lot of stuff just sitting there waiting to be done where that person that has to have a deadline, right. And I think perfectionism is one of those things that shuts down dreams because again, you know, we can’t get a perfect. I just don’t think I can finish it.
David Ralph [8:00]
I think it’s strange, actually, as you’re saying that it’s the first time I’ve reflected, but I think that I’m a recovering corner cutter. I think that all my life, I have found the quick ways of doing stuff. And I will just do just enough. You could call it at 20. You could call it whatever. But But yes, enough. But this is the first time that I’ve actually focused and I’ve just done things, I think in the right way. And because event is kind of stronger, you’re building foundations and being you’re setting on to the first floor and you’re moving up. So when you see that the dreams that people come to you they say Mitch, Mitch, I want to dream I want to dream big. Dude, I actually a saying to you, Mitch, I want to dream quick.
Mitch Matthews [8:44]
Right? Well, it’s a good question. You know, a lot of people say I want to dream big. And my first suggestion is start small. Because, you know, oftentimes, you know, people like maybe your wife, you know, we haven’t met yet, but I’m sure someday we’ll get to spend some time together, right. And, you know, if she says I don’t want to go after that dream, or I’m not quite sure what the dream is, or I want to dream bigger, but I’m not sure you know, I’m not sure if I can do it. I always say find ways to start small because most people don’t have a ton of extra time, at least in their minds, they don’t. And a lot of times we tend to get pretty intimidated. And so I always say if you want to dream big, that’s fantastic. Go for it. But start, just like you’re talking about the importance of starting that’s what you did was you you said all right, it may not be perfect, but I’m at least going to start. But to start and start small. You know, I always say, you know, I’m not much of a math person, either. I wasn’t much of a science person, definitely not much of a Math Math elite. But some of my favorite math is if you take 15 minutes a day, and devote it to a dream, right? Whether it’s even just figuring out a dream or having deep into a dream. If you take 15 minutes a day, and just do that five days a week. That gives you over 60 hours have devoted time over a year’s period, right? Who wouldn’t take 60 hours to devote to a dream right and and those 15 minute chunks you can do that you can start small being able to say all right, who can I talk to? What can I research what what you know, what site should I go to on online? What podcast you know, I gotta listen more to you know join up dots what podcasts? Who should I be reading? Who could I have coffee with? Who could I go have a beer with? And just breaking that down into 15, inner, inner 15 minute increments can make all the difference.
David Ralph [10:36]
But I’ve been devil’s advocate, I would think a lot of people out there would go, you can’t do much in 15 minutes. You know what, what can I do in 15 minutes. It’s you know, you need a block of time. And I think that’s the thing that frightens people, they seem to think that they need hour upon hour Power Hour. Now I had a guy on the show back in the day called Jeff Goins. And he, Jeff Yeah, and he was a lovely guest. And one of the things that you it really struck with me when he was saying about, he would get up an hour earlier, and just right, just right for an hour. And he said, you know, little by little, you became better, you became more professional, you became more focused, and you create something. But people don’t generally say that, I kind of think that I need to have weekends to do it. But I need to have a days off to do it. And I haven’t got a time with that. I’ve got all the kids 15 minutes, is 15 minutes enough, or should we go for an hour? Or does it not matter?
Mitch Matthews [11:32]
Well, here’s the thing on that is a lot of times, you know, and that’s actually kind of a kind of coming back to the perfectionist thing, right? Because a lot of times it as a perfectionist, I totally default to that type of behavior. Like I just my next book is coming out. And I when I was starting to write that book, I was defaulting into both perfectionist patterns. Meaning, Okay, wait, I you know, I think can’t wait to write this book. And once I have a full weekend away, that’s when I’m really going to write the book, right? Once I have that perfect Saturday where I’ve got, you know, my best cup of coffee, my favorite pen, so I you know, everything’s lined up in my life, all that and and those weekends, those Saturdays never came right. And even I’m pretty good at blocking out my time. But you know, I had these kind of pictures of an oasis of time that was all perfect and all together, and it just never came. So I always say with the 15 minutes, the reason why I start with 15 minutes is that everybody can find 15 minutes a day, right? Just 15 minutes is where you start to be able to say all right, well, Netflix is buffering, right? Or while I’m waiting for my kids, or while I’m waiting for my coffee, I can do something intentionally for 15 minutes, right. And that’s, I’m a big To Do List guy, I love to do list. So I have a 15 minute to do list. And, you know, since it’s short bursts of time, you don’t want to be spending a lot of time saying what should I do with this 15 minutes, you can have that list of things that 15 minutes. Again, it’s it’s reading a quick blog, it’s it’s reading five by pages in a book that you’re digging into, it’s listening to a podcast or 15 minutes. It’s not perfect, but it’s a start. And for me, you know, when I when I look back to one of the major dots in my life, you know, I did get that that dream job at 13 basically 12 and 13, I stopped the bike shop owner until I got that job. And I worked there for almost 10 years. I mean, it was just amazing. Here I was at 13. And I had my first dream job. And it set me on a course to be able to say I want to have a dream job no matter what I’m in. And you know, I got into the corporate world after college. All those things and you know, definitely had some great fit jobs but also had some bad fit Jobs had some some what I call bridge jobs, you know, their jobs that aren’t a great fit, but they get you somewhere. And during one of those seasons, my my bad fit Job had become a really bad job. It wasn’t a terrible job. But it was just a bad fit for me. And a part of my soul was dying. But I you know, I was living the sitcom life. I was married, we had kids and the sitcom life for me was single income two children oppressive mortgage. Yeah, yeah. So I couldn’t just quit my job. I had to figure out things and do that on the side. And so initially, I started with 15 minutes a day, because I felt too busy to do anything more than that. But I started with the 10 minutes a day and I figured out okay, maybe I got a cent, you know, a taste of the trajectory that I went after or wanted to go after with those 15 minutes. But then I started to settle into once I could do 15 minutes consistently above that up to 30 and then bump that up to 60. And I started to build a business on the side, basically one hour a day, day, five days a week. So I started with the 15 minutes that built up to the hour. And that made the difference. And I was able to build a business on the side that then I was able to move into full time over a decade ago. So yeah, it’s, you know, the 15 minutes is where you start. It’s not necessarily where you stay.
David Ralph [15:16]
Well, amen mask. He does it in five minutes. I believe old Elon Musk. If anybody knows anything about him, he’s basically half lunatic and a half genius. I’m not really sure where he sits on this. And he basically is. Yeah, absolutely. I saw him on Stephen Colbert, the American chat show host on YouTube. Yeah. And Stephen, Kobe was saying, Are you a Bond villain or a superhero? Because the way that he’s brain works could either destroy the world or save the world. And it was totally, totally amazing. But yeah, he does everything in five minutes slots. So if you ain’t got the time out there to dream big and dream small and start working accordingly. Now, what fascinates me with you mix so many different things I want to talk about, but the icon understand how you got your big dream gathering going? Fair enough. Okay, you invited some friends and family to participate. That’s my first issue. From my understanding of life, your friends and your family, when you’re starting something are the ones you want to run away from that they’re the ones that want to keep you where you were before, they don’t understand. How did they support you? And were you lucky? Or was it just a fluke, what happened?
Mitch Matthews [16:31]
It’s probably a little bit of both. But I will say I invited friends and family, but I didn’t invite all my friends and all my family. Right. And I think that’s an important differentiation. You know, when you’re talking about your dreams, at least initially, you do have to be careful with who you share them with. Right? Because I have an amazing family, I’m wildly blessed to have some incredible friends. Again, I’m blessed beyond word. But some of my friends are very encouraging. They’re crazy, like you and I are right that that they want to encourage change. They want to encourage people to go out and achieve and, and all of that some of my friends are wonderful people. But for various reasons. They’re not as encouraging, right? When I start to talk about my dreams and going after dreams and celebrating other people’s dreams, that makes them uncomfortable. Now, that doesn’t make them bad people, you know, and I love the phrase hurt people hurt people, right? There’s, there’s a whole lot of people out there who have been hurt by others, especially around the subject of dreaming. And so when the subject of dreaming comes up, it’s tender. You know, I’ve got one uncle who kind of thinks that it’s his gift to the world to shoot down dreams. Now. That’s not because he wants to be discouraging. That’s because he wants to keep you safe. Right. And initially, I didn’t understand that I would get offended, we get frustrated I, I said I wanted to be a success coach. And he said, you know, or to be able to say like, I want to help people go after their dreams. And he’s like, well, who’s ever going to pay you to do that right now. There’s, there’s some discouragement in there. But I look back on that. And I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. And I know that that part of the reason he said that was he didn’t want me to risk everything to, you know, lose my house, or those kinds of things and do something crazy or stupid, you know, and at least come back around to really acknowledge and celebrate what I do. But there are certain people in your life that are going to be more encouraging than others. And I don’t want you to completely dismiss everyone who’s going to be discouraging, because sometimes you need some of those people to to either bolster you to say, yeah, I’m going to do it or to be able to say, all right, they’re asking this question. I don’t know that I should spend a lot of time on addressing it. But I should probably at least think through it a little bit. Right? But yes, so with the big dream gathering, I did. So to go back to your story. back in two thousand six. I was working on another big dream. The big dream gathering, which has become a major part of what we do now was totally an accident. I didn’t mean for it to happen. But I was working on this other dream, I’d gotten an idea for a product. My wife and I got excited about it, we decided to go after it. And as as true entrepreneurs, we kind of went all in and took some risks with it. Initially, it was all working. It was going great. But as you said in the introduction, in a very short period of time, a number of things happened, you know, some major setbacks, but including, but not limited to, basically running out of money. And I realized I was sitting in my office on a Saturday morning, thinking of myself, we need help, right? I’m I was trying to walk away, I was embarrassed, I was scared, I was tired. And I was ready to walk away from this dream. And I realized I need help. And then I started to think well, maybe some of our friends could help us. And then I started to think well, if I asked my friends to help me on my dream, I should probably know what their dreams are, maybe I can help them with theirs. And so this idea came to mind that, you know, if I bite them over, let’s talk about our dreams and put them on sheets paper, let’s put them up on the walls. And let’s see if we can help each other out. And it was supposed to go for a couple of hours. And it wound up going for a full week. And now I get to do these events all across the United States, hopefully, we’ll get to come to England and do some. But they just get people in the room, to dream and to help and encourage and I always say that most people are kind, most people are kind if they’re given the opportunity to be so. And that’s what we find with our big dream gathering events is that most people especially especially people that come to the events themselves, there’s probably a good better chance, if they’re going to attend something like this, there’s a good chance. They’re interested in dreaming themselves and helping others right. And and so people I think, you know, at our DNA level, are prone to dream, but also encourage others to do that. And so, yeah, we did, we invited our friends, but they started to invite others and it just kind of exploded from there.
David Ralph [21:08]
And I do agree with you, I think generally 98% of the world’s population are kind, and 2% are serial killers, really, I think that it’s very, very small 10%, I have traveled the world. And literally at my worst times of getting stuck or not being able to get to the next position or something somebody has come through and just helped us there was a guest on the show who was a lovely guy, English guy who was in a job and he just got fed up with it and go demoralized. And so he decided that he was going to see if he could travel across America and just $5 a day. And so that’s why he decided to do and then he took it to the next stage. And it’s on Netflix now the kindness diaries, where he actually drove across in a kind of Wallace and Gromit side car and motorbike across which he called his kindness taxi, and he would stop with people. And if I gave him a room for the night, if I gave him some sort of assistance, he would come back the next day and go actually, you didn’t know this. But I’ve got loads of money. And I’d like to do this lovely thing for you. And it what it proved Mitch was the people that had absolutely nothing to give, gave more. And he would go up to these places that had like multimillion pound yachts and couldn’t get even to sleep on the deck at night. And some taxi driver in Delhi that had no money and six kids allowed him to eat at his table. He didn’t even have a table he at the floor and stuff. And so I do think you’re absolutely right. And if anybody really needs a boost of, you know, humility and generosity, Ben Ben, go on Netflix and look for that the kindness diaries is a great program. That’s great. I’ll check that out. Now let’s get back to you, sir. Because we’ve only got one chance with you. And it’s taking you eight months to turn up for this. Right? So dream, big dream gathering, right? So you’re there, and you’ve got this idea. And you’re thinking this feels good. And most of us will have that moment when we’re doing something and we go, Wow, this, this feels it that I don’t know what it is. But I feel like I’m really in my element. But transitioning from that to actually making money from it is a big leap. And how did you transition from that, from that feeling of luck, this this is really, really good to actually this is going to be our business?
Mitch Matthews [23:31]
That’s a great question. And you know, I’d love to say that it took us 30 days, right? Like it was a overnight sensation. And it was super easy. But none of that would be true. So I won’t say that at all. But But what we did was it you know, it’s it’s a lot of what you preach, as well. Interestingly enough, I didn’t really even realize what we had, like, I knew it was an amazing experience. It was also kind of weird, honestly, cuz it was inspiring and weird all at the same time. Because, you know, we we invited these friends and family over for a Tuesday night. But the Wednesday morning, you know, after we done that after we dreamed after we encourage each other. You know, the Wednesday morning, my wife and my boys are sitting on our kitchen table with me and a friend that had been there the night before, called and said, Dude, I’m already at work. And I was like, Yeah, okay, he goes, I’m at work. I told everybody what we did last night. They want to come to your house tonight and do the same thing. Is that okay? And I’m like, No, that’s weird. I don’t know those people. Right? Like, you know, and we’re done. And he goes, No, no, seriously, they want to come. And I was like, All right, cool. And so we opened it back up to everybody. And we had as many people the second night, but we only knew half of them by the third night, total strangers were just coming to the house. So it was amazing, right? And, you know, that continued on for a week. And and when we were done, you know, people let us know, they were like, thank you so much for giving us a space to dream, a place to be encouraged a place to encourage others. And I was, you know, absolutely. And we got help with our dream and a bunch of other people got help with their dream. And honestly, I didn’t really even know. It was a thing, right? I called it a big dream gathering because I thought if I called it a big dream committee, yeah, no one would come right. So big dream gathering and and so I’d come up with the name. But I didn’t even realize it. But a few months later, somebody came and and a friend that had been there. And she said, I just want to tell you the story, she gave us an update on her dream. And what was amazing was is that she got some nice encouragement from people in the room. But she gone back to work and started to talk with other people about their dreams. And the word started to spread about one of her dreams of going to Africa and helping these kids. I lived in a garbage dump. And I mean, it was a crazy dream for her. She’d never left, you know, we live in the state of Iowa. You know, it’s in the heart of the United States. But she’d never traveled out of Iowa. She didn’t have a lot of money. She didn’t have a lot of time off all of those things. But she started talking about this dream of helping these kids. And it might as well have been the kids lived on Mars or the moon or something right for her. That was just crazy talk. But at the same time, it was important to her and somebody at her work, heard about it, and rally the troops and raised over $1,000 to help her get over there. Right, just out of the blue. Nobody that had been to the big dream gathering. Like we couldn’t take credit for it, other than the fact that we gave her permission to dream, right? We gave her a space to dream and all of those things. So she came in, she said, we’ve got to do this again. And I said now and my wife said No way, not in the house. That’s crazy, right? And I started thinking okay, yeah, I loved it. This is not this is 2006 going into 2007. So it was pre Twitter, you know, pre Facebook, at least for the whole world. You know, some college students were messing around with it at the time. Right. So like, you know, you it was just a different time. And so I said, Okay, we’ll do it again, we’ll experiment. But we’re not going to do it in our house. Right. And a friend of mine, I shared it with my friend and he had a warehouse in the city. We live in a downtown Des Moines. And he said, You guys can have at that it’s not pretty. It’s Mel’s kind of weird, all that stuff. But you can get a bunch of people in there. And so sure enough, we did it. And you know, again, pre Twitter, pre Facebook. You know, Snapchat wasn’t even the glimmer glimmer in anybody’s I
David Ralph [27:13]
somehow turn up and Mitch, how did they get there? Because this kind of blinks in my head, the old Martin Luther King, I Have a Dream speech. Right? 250,000 people turned up and he didn’t advertise and you think well, How the hell did they find out about it? This seemed right to the same to me. And he’s got the word dream in it as well.
Mitch Matthews [27:32]
Right? How crazy is that? Right? Well, you know, it’s interesting with that one, we just started to share it with people. And what was interesting was, it was you know, kind of a pre social media era. So people to actually talk to each other. Like, it’s amazing that we have Facebook and Twitter, and I love them. I love all social media. It’s amazing. You know how you and I can connect, you know, we’re on opposite sides of the world, or whatever you and I can connect in an instant because of it. So I love it. But back then, we had to rely on actually call Hey, would you let some people know that we’re doing this and people actually then called people or said, Hey, you know, we’re doing this thing or whatever. We put up a little, you know, literally, I think we put up about 20 posters, but for the most part, it was just people inviting people. And as you can imagine, it had a little bit of a fight club element to it, because we were doing it to this warehouse it you know, we were violating every fire code known to man, all that stuff. And we had 300 people show up. And so it was like, okay, there’s, you know, now I go, Okay, that was minimum viable product, right? Like, we barely had a logo, we, you know, we didn’t really know what we were doing. But it’s like, Okay, well, let’s, let’s figure that out. So
David Ralph [28:41]
did you try it again? Because I’m really confused by this. But did you? When did you struggle with charging it when it’s something that is? So motivational? So kind of, I don’t know, in the air, you know, big dream? It’s blue sky thinking to actually been charged for it? Did you feel like it was gonna take the magic away?
Mitch Matthews [29:00]
I’m glad, I’m glad you asked. Because we didn’t charge for it. So I paid for it. The first big dream gatherings I paid for, because they were an experiment. Right? And, and I, that first big dream gathering at our house was free. And that’s just been something that we wanted to keep going. So now, now, basically, how we’ve developed that over time, is that now we have corporate sponsors that have come alongside us, for us in the United States here. It’s American family insurance. They’re an amazing corporate sponsor, they believe in dreaming, and they heard our story, but it took us 10 years before corporate sponsorship ever came into it. So you know, I I toyed around with corporate sponsorship then moved into more of a model where, you know, I would get paid like a speech speaker fee. Yeah, to be able to do it, you know, those kinds of things, but we’ve always kept it open to the public, because that’s in free, because, you know, it’s amazing when you get a group of people together to dream. And, you know, the more diverse the room, the better. You know, it’s amazing how when you start talking about dreams, it kind of levels the playing field, I mean, we will have wealthy people there will have you know, homeless people they are it really can vary greatly. But it’s it’s an amazing process take people through so all that to be said, you know, that we we did that second one, it had the Fight Club element, but it kind of it kind of proved Okay, this is something and so the next year, we did it in a little bit nicer place. And we just did a you know, once a year in Des Moines for a while. But then as we were doing them word started to get out and and we had one where people flew in from California, people flew in from the east coast, people drove from about five, six different states to come. And again, it was just word of mouth. And so it continued to grow. But it wasn’t it didn’t become a central part of our business for a while. And that’s, that’s why I love being an entrepreneur. But I know a lot of people, some people that listen are probably entrepreneurs, other people have full day jobs, all of that. But I love the spirit of experimenting. And that’s really where we kept the big dream gathering is to be able to say it’s not going to be our, our core focal point because it can’t pay the bills. This is a baby that needs to grow for a while. And so, you know, the other parts of our business, you know, my speaking, my coaching, my online training, all of those things, fueled us so that we can continue to experiment with the big dream gathering. But now it’s grown into a central part of what we do and and we get to do them all over the country. And it’s, it’s a crazy freaky day job, but I love it,
David Ralph [31:42]
you do love it. And I’m going to play some words. Now I normally play these about 10 minutes ago, but you you’re a bit on fire man you on fire.
Jim Carrey [31:49]
Here’s Jim Carrey my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. When I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [32:17]
Now, I think that you’ve got to go for the try loads of things. And most of them you can hate, but every now and again, something’s going to hit home. Before you can go further. I love that speech in so many ways. And it really it it fuels me on a daily basis. But I kind of think it’s too big, because people don’t know what they love. Because I’ve never been given permission to go and try things.
Mitch Matthews [32:42]
Sure. Well, and that’s I don’t know, you know, it’s it’s funny, and this is a whole other subject we could dive into but I use I lived in England twice. So I know a little bit I used to live in England or in Abington I lived in Abington a year and then I went to the University of Sheffield for a semester. So I know a little bit about English culture. I know a lot about American culture. And and one of the things that’s happened in America is we have become a culture that doesn’t allow you to be an amateur anymore. And I don’t know if the same thing has happened. But you know, when I look at what a lot of people do, what a lot of parents do with their kids is, you know, I grew up at a time where you did baseball in the summer, and then you did football in the you know, in the fall, and then you did basketball or wrestling and you just you did everything. You tried everything and I was crappy at all of those things. But I still you know, you tried it right. And now in the United States at least. It’s kind of one of those. Oh, gosh, he really seems like he’s really good at soccer. So we’re going to play soccer all year long. No, he can’t go swimming. No, he can’t. He can’t join the tennis team because he’s soccer. Right? And we’ve kind of made it so that kids have to specialize early. Because we can’t let them be amateurs in anything, right? You gotta go deep. You gotta go pro right away. And I see the same thing you know, that blossoming into everything. So So, you know, it’s kind of that you can’t even take a night class. Now unless it directly relates to your career. It’s like know, go take a cooking class, go take a kayaking class, go take something that’s totally and utterly unrelated to your career. Or you might look like a dork. You may look completely uncoordinated. You may look like a buffoon. But go try it, right. It’s exactly you’re saying it’s that so often, we get on a track because you know, as Jim Carrey said, it appears to be safe, or we get on a track because somebody said, Well, you can’t make money at that you should go after this, you know, and and so we do that. And then we lose those things. And that’s another reason why I say if you’re going to dream big, start small. Because it’s that giving yourself permission to be able to try some different things. Most people don’t dream, because they don’t want to dream. Most people don’t dream because they forgotten how, because I
David Ralph [34:56]
couldn’t have become a podcaster. Without the 30 years of studying leading up to it. I know totally. And mostly, it was totally unconnected to what I’m doing now. But little by little over dots have joined up. And I even remember, as a kid, two stages, I remember as a six year old having a little tape recorder, and a cassette tape. And if you don’t know why cassette tape is before you’re gonna have to Google it. And taking a little tape recorder around to the bank manager and the the butcher and proper businesses and saying, Can I interview you please. And I think on a totally about that until I found these box of tapes up in my mom’s loft, and being paid amount, I could hear my little voice coming out. And then I remember the first job I wanted to do was be on radio, but I’m get through. And so I gave up on it. So all my dots kind of lead up to where I am now. But when I turned on the microphone, it just felt felt really natural to me. And it’s sort of really flown from Benayoun. But I do think to myself, I couldn’t have said I am going to do this. But I could say but what I’m not going to do because I’ve tried it and I didn’t like it. And I think that’s what I have to say to my kids. Don’t be too precious about what your exams are leading towards. Just know that they’re leading towards something, and some of them are going to pay off. Now. Some of them are going to pay off 15 years down the line. But everything gives you the skills for the right point in your life. That when you stand there, and the spotlight hits you, you’ve been This is it. This is it. This is what I’m waiting for.
Mitch Matthews [36:30]
I love your story, man. I think we were both weird kids. Man, we went out.
David Ralph [36:36]
Yeah, I think so. And that’s it. That’s the biggest compliment you could ever make.
Mitch Matthews [36:40]
Totally, totally mashed as as a Young Dudes hanging out. So I love it.
David Ralph [36:45]
But it’s not good about being weird. I think we it is what people should aim for. I think the people that want to just mix into the crowd, and just be one of everyone. I’m frightened of those people. You know, that’s a spot that that there’s somebody who’s gonna, you know, stop me or do something else. I want to know the weird lunatics. But the old I like Elon Musk, for example, I don’t can’t comprehend how his brain works. And there’s that indian guy that has come from nothing to get to university. And that was the journey of hell, you know, to do that. And now he’s aiming to be the first trillion out and so many people become millionaires, but billionaires is very few and trillion heirs is almost none. And he wants to mine precious metals off the moon, and get it back. I don’t even know how you get stuff up to the moon to get it back. You know, how do you do this? He’s afraid, right? He’s a freak, but I love that. I love the freaks out there. And I think you know, a full week of freaks would be amazing. I love it. I love it. So we’ve yourself and the big dream gathering, taking us back to the beginning of the episode as such with your youthful boyish looks, how do you remain kind of focused on yourself because when you’re doing something that is life changing, life changing for you, and your your clients, sometimes you forget that actually, you got to look after yourself and you’re so focused on everybody else, you become a sucked out dried up version of yourself.
Mitch Matthews [38:17]
Totally. Well, that’s I you know, it’s funny, I just did a podcast on rest. You know, and and resting and it’s it’s such an interesting thing. You know, I think I think certain people are, are pretty good naturally at rest. But people who get stuff done, you know, doers, you know, it’s we call it my podcast called dream thing. Do I want people to dream bigger, think better and do more of the stuff they were put on the planet to do. And I always say, big time doers don’t always rest well. Right. And and that’s, that’s one of the things that I definitely have to be intentional about. Because I don’t I don’t shut down well, and then I can get dried out and and exhausted and all of those things. So you know, some of the things that I I talked about in that podcast where the what I call the three C’s of arrest, which is to celebrate, and that’s to look back on things, you’re grateful for big things, small things, you know, gratitude, as you’ve talked about is, you know, the brain super food, right? If you can stir up some gratitude, it’s amazing what that can do to your attitude, right? Not to be too trite, but it’s true. The second see is to stay comparison, free comparisons. Another big dream killer, right? Especially in the day and age that we live in, where you know, when I was growing up, if one of my friends went on vacation, I didn’t see pictures, unless I went over to their house, and their dad showed me a slideshow, right? Like, and that never happened. You know, but now today, you know, my friends are at Disney World right now with their family. And they’re putting up these great pictures right. And instantly as it’s happening, I’m seeing them hanging out with stormtroopers and all of that, that’s great, right. But at the same time, it’s so much easier, I think, you know, always been a thing. But comparison now is so much easier. So to be able to make sure you’re staying at a comparison because comparisons one of those things that can make you feel like you’re behind that you’re doing it wrong. And it’s solely because you’re comparing yourself to someone else. And that’s you got to catch yourself there. But the last thing I would talk about is is rest when it comes to rest, is you have to calibrate your rest. And what I mean by that is that everybody rests differently. So I can give you you know what I do for rest. And it may or may not line up with what you do for rest. So as an example David I’m actually an introvert, who’s learned to do extroverted things. Yeah, and I don’t know if that surprises you or not, I’m guessing that you can totally identify with that. But I, you know, in God’s great sense of humor, you know, my day job is hanging out with rooms full of 300 strangers, right, like, so I know, for me, as an introvert part of my rest is actually having time away from from everyone, right? I have to have quiet, it can be time with my, my wife or our boys. But I have to have downtime. When I’m alone. I travel with a team now I’ve got a video team that goes with me and an assistant that goes with me. And and it’s funny, most of them are also introverts, so they totally understand that but they know after a big event day, that I’ve got to have time away from everybody, and they’re not offended by that, they just know that that’s how it works. So that’s one of the ways that I calibrate my rest. One of the other ways that I calibrate my rest is I believe in active rest, as well. So as an example, over Christmas, we were able to go to South Dakota, which is a beautiful part of the state’s kind of mountain esque and pretty and all of that and, and so we did a ton of hiking, which is kind of it’s very active. But for me, that’s one of the ways that I rest. Now my brother loves to go to the beach, he lives in Sydney, they love going to the beach, I don’t particularly like the beach. So for him, you know, rest involves the ocean and sand and all of that, that just makes me live, right. But I love to get away to a trail and and hike up a mountain and become exhausted. But by you know, hiking up a mountain, you know, climbing the scale and the other side of a mountain or whatever, that’s active rest for me. And so, you know, for so many I always say if you want to figure out how you rest, think about in the past, were there those times where you felt really rested? Right? And that doesn’t always involve sleep? Sometimes it might but where are those times where you felt really rested? And how can you duplicate those things for you don’t compare yourself to how somebody else does it how your friends do it or or how your parents did it, but calibrate it for you and do that. And so that’s for me, it’s it’s some quiet time alone time some reading. And then sometimes it’s it’s specific, unintentional active rest, where I’m going and taking a hike, you know, trying to go do an adventure, those kinds of things. No,
David Ralph [43:00]
I agree with that. Totally. And I tell you what, Mitch, if I was America, and I think my name would be Mitch Mathews. I think it’s it’s so similar. You know, I am somebody that is very personable when I want to be personable, but more often than not, I don’t want anyone around me and I agree with that, totally. My wife says you’re so anti sideshow, I don’t know why you’re so anti social. And I say, I just don’t want to be surrounded by people. I hate beaches. I tell you what we do over here. Well, what we’ve started doing, and it’s my best rest, because I’m not a good just sitting doing nothing. But I don’t know if you’ve got something out there. And it’s called escape rooms, where you go in and mean a family have discovered that we like puzzles. Now, we never realized we don’t like puzzles. We’ve just done 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle. And we realized that we like quizzes and questions. And these escape rooms have brought us together, and we go in there. And as a team, we try to solve these clues and try to get out within the hour. And I come out and I feel like I’ve had three days off. You know, it’s just that hour of doing something totally different, totally immersed in something. So you don’t need to be going away and laying on a beach for three weeks to be rested. You just do the right thing for your body. And for me, it’s solving some kind of puzzle, which is why I love the entrepreneurial life. Because it’s a puzzle every day. And sometimes the pieces fit really easily and sometimes I just can’t quite get them in. But little by little you build something you can dream big. You can dream small. But unless you start you can’t dream at all. Yeah, I love that. Well,
Mitch Matthews [44:35]
you’re a poet.
David Ralph [44:36]
Did you hear that? I did. I know that that that came out of me. And I was actually I was impressed myself. But I did.
Mitch Matthews [44:43]
I want to acknowledge that I don’t rhyme man. You could you could. You’re a poet. I love it. Well, you know, and it’s funny to go back I love the the solving puzzles and such a great example of you calibrating your rest and for me, that wouldn’t be rest. But for you that is that it your version of rest. I love that. But also, I am not surprised that you lean introvert and and why that why I say that is you know, I’ve been interviewed a number of times, you know, I’ve got a number of inner you know, podcast interviews myself, of course. But I’ve always found that the best interviewers tend to be introverted, because introverts don’t want to put the light on themselves, right, they want the light to go on somebody else. And so you’re one of the best interviewers I’ve got to hang out with or spend time with. And so that doesn’t surprise me at all.
David Ralph [45:30]
That’s very kind of you. But while we’re on the subject, because I think it’s key as well, for so many people to know, you know, they don’t have to be a master all the time, they just have to blaze bright and then sort of disappear again. But at your core, even though you’re an introvert, are you a show off as well?
Mitch Matthews [45:49]
A show off?
David Ralph [45:50]
Yeah. Did you like it? When the light hits you? And you’re in front of a crowd? At the end of it? You need to rest? You’re exhausted? Yes. Spent. You couldn’t do a novice David doing that. But when it hits Do you think to yourself? This? Is it? I really like this, I like performing in front of people?
Mitch Matthews [46:07]
That’s a really interesting question. Um, I would say, not really, you know, it’s interesting. It’s, it’s one of those that, you know, people say, all right, how do I know that I’m on track with the right kinds of dreams. And, and I always say, you know, if you feel fear, and you choose to do it anyway, right? at that, that’s when you know, you’re probably on track. And, and for me, like we do the big dream gathering, I kicked off every big dream gathering with a talk, you know, I tell a little bit history, share some stories of people, you know, share some insights, and some strategies on dreaming big, all of that, and I love teaching, I really do love teaching, but I don’t like to be the be the focal point of the room. It’s, it’s, I am happy to get that that spotlight off of me when it’s done. I’m there. I have this weird goal. Now David that, you know, I want to help launch a million dreams in my lifetime. Right? And and so when we do a big dream gathering, that’s what’s on my mind, that’s what’s driving me is whether you know, whether we’ve got 100 or 800 in a room, I want to see those people dreaming. And so I’ll do the talk. And and I enjoy it. You know, and I’ve gotten pretty good at it over the years or whatever. But it’s, I’m not there for that. That’s almost a necessary evil to get to the part that I love, which is the big seeing dreams go up on the walls and seeing people dream and seeing people encourage each other. So I you know, you should probably ask my wife that question. She probably be better at answering it. But I don’t think that I’m naturally like that. That’s that I like that. Limelight or whatever. It’s just kind of almost a necessary evil to make it happen. I love it.
David Ralph [47:56]
I love it. I love it. I love it. But I’m a little bit like that, man, you send up the signal. I’ll be there. But as soon as you turn the light off. I’m Bruce Wayne again. And I’m
Mitch Matthews [48:05]
out. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
David Ralph [48:07]
disappeared. Right. So let’s play some words. Now that really pulled together that whole theme of the show Steve Jobs said these back in 2005. And they become more and more true to so many people. So let’s hear them again Steve Jobs
Steve Jobs [48:20]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future, you have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [48:56]
So did that young 12 year old boy who’s standing outside of the box? Is he strongly connected to where you are today, have your dots joined up.
Mitch Matthews [49:05]
Totally, it’s amazing to think back, you know, and it’s it’s, you know, when you when you put together a website, you know, part of the goal is to make it look like you know, you know, do be able to show some of those dots and all of those things. But, man, there’s a whole lot of squiggly lines in between those dots, right, that they weren’t, they weren’t straight lines and all of that. But, you know, I think about what what started there. You know, I was a nervous kid, I was a worried kid, I I missed a lot of elementary school because I was so sick because I was worried. But you know, kind of going back to what we talked about before, you know, you feel the fear and do it anyway. That passion for bicycles was one of the things that kind of pushed me to move past some of those fears and just ride my bike up to the bike shop and spend time up there and stock the bike owner and a bike shop owner and mow his lawn without his permission and sweep the alley and white down bikes, you know, all of those things. I felt that fear. I was worried what people would think but at the same time, the bikes were my life. And so I pushed through it because it was that important to me. And I think back you know, to that time, and the seeds got planted during that is exactly what I’m walking out now.
David Ralph [50:19]
And so what would be your big.we ask this question to everyone. So it’s to you, Mitch, when you look back on your whole timeline to where you are now. What was the big dot where you thought Blimey, this this? Is it this? This is really putting it where I want to go?
Mitch Matthews [50:33]
I love I love that question. And I think it’s to me it was it was I don’t know that I can point to just one other than to say it, I decided to be curious. You know, it’s interesting. I had I had a guest on my podcast A while back named Sam Griffin. He’s one of my favorite people. He’s an ad executive, very successful. He also grew up a worrier. And he said, somebody gave him a piece advice. And that was he was contemplating moving to New York City, he has all these safe jobs lined up, but but he could go to New York City and he didn’t have anything out there. He was going to have to live on somebody’s couch for a while and all these things, but he knew that’s where his future was. And a friend of his gave him the piece of advice. Listen, if the opposite of fear is not fearlessness, the opposite of fear is curiosity. And and be curious, right? Like right now you’re imagining how everything could go poorly, how everything could go down in flames. But what if you instead with that the time you’re spending, envisioning all those terrible things, what if you allow yourself to just be curious to be asked, asking questions, like, I wonder who I’m going to be able to meet? I wonder what kind of jobs I could get? I wonder, even as I’m trying to make it work, what I might learn, right? He’s like, just let the Curiosity flow. And I, you know, remember being hit as Sam shared that on my podcast, you know, I hadn’t been able to put it in that eloquent of words before. But I realize like, that’s, that was a dot for me when I was a kid when I was 1213. You know, I started to make the shift from saying I’m sick, because I was so worried to being curious enough to stop the bike shop owner. I mean, that’s one of the reasons why I wound up in England twice. is you know, at 16. I remember sitting in an American history class, this is how weird I am. But you’ll jive with this, right? I’m sitting in an American history class, and we’re studying the American Revolution. And I remember getting hit with the thought, I wonder how a British teacher would teach this. Right, like, that’s a weird thought for a 16 year old but I remember thinking like, I wonder what their thoughts are on this. I’m guessing their perspectives may be a little different, right? And so I started to research England and what it would be like and I also figured out you know, every movie that I ever saw the guy with the English accent always got the girls so i thought you know, that wouldn’t be bad either. If I could go spend some time there pick up the accent maybe that would pay off.
David Ralph [53:06]
HDD English people are always gonna blow something up they’ve always the bad news now. You grown or you’ve got a terrorist.
Mitch Matthews [53:17]
That’s exactly right. Exactly. Right. So but I remember at that time, then I started to get curious about living in England. I never we traveled a little bit growing up but I never left the country. But I set my sights on going and living and I went and lived in Abington, England for a year I lived with the family. I went to the college there in Abington. And I took American history.
David Ralph [53:40]
The way this story i think i’ve ever heard on this part of the show Genova eight, when you said about the English teacher, my brain went in about nine different directions, but it kept on coming back to freak. And that is the biggest compliment once again, that said, Yeah, stalled out for everything.
Mitch Matthews [54:00]
It’s it’s, it’s i was i was freakish, but it was one of those things that you know, it that also changed my trajectory. But I think, you know, when I was 1213, I wouldn’t have been able to put my finger on it. But I think it was that decision to be less worried, like, I’m still on a daily basis, tempted to be worried. But if I if I’m able to consciously replace that with curiosity, it’s made all the difference. And I realized, you know, when I look back on that time, I didn’t know that it was happening. You know, it’s a little bit like Steve Jobs setup, you’re, you’re in the midst of it, you don’t always realize it’s happening. But when I look back on that time, there was a shift in there where I decided to be curious. And that made all the difference. And and going and living as you can imagine going and living in England and living in a complete I was 17 years old, I hopped on a flight, I got to stay with a family, which is amazing. It’s funny, they did some remodeling, in order to, you know, be ready for me to be there and add they they were working on it into the middle of the night. And so they actually wind up over sleeping the day that I flew in. So here’s, you know, I’m 17 I landed in Heathrow and nobody’s there to pick me up. And we didn’t have cell phones then or anything like that. So I had a couple hours at Heathrow, by myself going Did I just make the biggest mistake of my life, right, and they came and they want to be at awesome. And it was an incredible year. But you know, it was one of those that was that it was a game changer and and to be able to, again, you’re part of it was the American history class, but part of it was to say, what’s this culture? Like? What’s it like to live in a completely different culture? And you know, they always say that we’re, you know, two countries divided by the same language. And, you know, it’s such an incredible thing. So the Curiosity thing is the thing that’s helped me, Trump worry more often than not, I’m not great at it. I’m better at it today than I was yesterday. And I’m going to be better at it tomorrow than I am today. But But I would say if I look back, I can’t really say it was one dot, but it was more. So a theme that started to happen. And that’s made all the difference.
David Ralph [56:11]
Well, this is the end of the show now. And this is the partner we call the Sermon on the mic, when we’re going to send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to young Mitch Matthews, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give? Well, I’m going to find out because I’m going to play the theme. And when it fades you up, this is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [56:37]
Go with the best bit of the show.
Mitch Matthews [56:53]
Well, I love this and I thought about it and to go back to when I was nine. And to say to little Mitch, be curious. At that time, I was sick a lot. And and it’s because and to speak to little Mitch, it was because I was always worried about you know, you’re worried about other people what they think. How do you measure up where you want to be? who you want to be? I looked different. I thought you you know than everybody else, all of those things. And and I was comparing myself all of those. But it just encouraged a little Mitch, to just be curious to set my sights on being curious and and to be able to say, as you do that, as you do that you’re going to be able to push through that fear. Because as it turns out, actually everybody’s afraid. Everybody’s dealing with those same things. But to be curious, to be curious, and others to ask questions, to find out who they are and, and and to be interesting. It’s excuse me instead to be interested. not interesting. be interested in others. Be curious about others. Be curious about the world they live in and who they are what they want to do. And as you do that, you’ll be able to connect and learn and grow. But also when it comes to life, be curious. Just continue to let that guide you and let that curiosity grow. And it will take you places you can’t even imagine. And by the way, it’s going to work out pretty good.
David Ralph [58:31]
Mr. Matthews, what is the number one best way that our audience who’ve been listening today can connect with you, sir?
Mitch Matthews [58:38]
I love it. They can kind of visit me at Mitch mathews.com and or big dream gathering. com. I’d love to see if they can find out about my podcast, all of those things. Hopefully maybe even come to an event. See our videos. We do videos all the time. All of that. So Mitch Mathews calm and big dream gathering calm
David Ralph [58:57]
will have over links on the show notes. Mitch Matthews, thank you so much spending time with us today, joining those dots. And please come back again when you’ve got more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is actually the best way to build our futures. Mr. Mitch Mathews. Thank you so much.
Mitch Matthews [59:14]
Thank you David keep bringing the awesome buddy.
David Ralph [59:18]
Mitch Mathews. That’s a kind of weird story in it that he starts by creating something and then thinking, I need help. Let’s get people into a room and it becomes something and I think something always becomes something, doesn’t it? That’s the thing. That’s the sort of message of join up dots you start something and he’s not quite right. Sometimes it is sometimes it isn’t. Sometimes it’s a love at first sight sometimes. But it’s all about that starting, and now he’s taking it from bigger and bigger steps forward. But it’s taken 10 years. But hey, I missed something nasty happens. We’re going to be on this planet for 10 years anyway. And as somebody says to me, would you spend the next 10 years to live like nobody else before your life? And I certainly would hopefully you’re going to join us with our big push to take you into futures that you can only dream about that’s going to be coming shortly. Stay with us. stay connected with us messages on Facebook and we will answer and until the next time we will see you again. Thank you so much for being here. And we’ll see you again cheers say David
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