A Flipped Lifestyle Shane & Jocelyn Sams Joins Us On The Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast
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Introducing The Flipped Lifestyle’s Shane and Jocelyn
The Flipped Lifestyle Shane and Jocelyn Sams are our guests today on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots free podcast interview.
They are a couple who quite simply, stopped looked at their life and then made it what they want.
And with the greatest respect to both of them, and we will discuss this in the interview they are what you would call normal.
A normal couple, with a normal lifestyle, normal kids but an extraordinary way of making decisions and enough of them to make things work the way they want.
They are the owners of the Flipped Lifestyle business, where through their own mistakes, successes and consistency they now teach people the route to success in their own business.
They teach how to create businesses that work around a family instead of the other way.
As they say “In 2012, on a rare day off work, Shane stumbled across a podcast about regular people changing their lives through online business.
We started brainstorming about how we could do this too, and started a couple of websites just to see what happened.
No one could have prepared us for what happened next.
How The Dots Joined Up For Shane And Jocelyn Sams
In just a few short months, we were able to make thousands of extra dollars each month through online business.
Just one year later, we surpassed the five figure mark in online sales for a single month.
When our August 2013 sales surpassed $36,000, we decided it was time to stop working for someone else and start living for our family.”
And now with sales in excess of one million dollars all earned online, they travel the globe, in their shorts and sneakers, smiling broadly from ear to ear, as there community of wannabe entrepreneurs grows their smiles with them.
So looking back on their lives as hard working teachers, do they think that the ability to change a life so dramatically is more down to mindset or talent?
And was it really a rocket ship to success they launched, with a doubt that it would fail? Or did they go through the same issues as the rest of us?
Well lets find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Shane & Jocelyn Sams
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Shane & Jocelyn Sams such as:
Why freedom means so much to both Shane and Jocelyn certainly more than money can ever do, which is a surprise to so many people that they meet.
Jocelyn shares why both her and Shane decided to become teachers, and how they were actually quite content in their lives, but now see that they had given control of their lives away.
Why you don’t have to be an expert to sell online products, instead you actually only have to present it to the people on the road behind you.
Shane talks about the first 11 cents that he earnt online and how he was so excited he literally jumped out of bed and jumped up and down knowing his life had changed forever.
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Full Transcription Of Shane And Jocelyn Sams Interview From The Flipped Lifestyle
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:25]
Yes, hello there. Good morning, everybody, and welcome to Join Up Dots. This is gonna be a good one, I tell you what this is, this is one of those episodes where you will be scribbling notes on bass tickets on the back of the old lady’s head on the lady’s chest sitting next to you any space that you can find you will be scribbling notes, because the couple that I’ve got on the show today are quite simply, but they stopped, looked at their life and then made it what they want. Isn’t that what life’s all about, and with the greatest respect of both of them, and we discussed this in the interview, they are what we would call normal, a normal couple with a normal lifestyle, normal kids, but an extraordinary way of making decisions and enough of them to make things work the way they want. Now, they’re the owners of the flipped lifestyle business where through their own mistakes, successes and consistency, by now teach people to route to success in their own business. They teach how to create businesses that work around a family instead of the other way. As they say in 2012. On a rare day off work, Shane stumbled across a podcast about regular people changing their lives through online business. And they started brainstorming about how they could do this too, and started a couple of websites just to see what happened. Now, no one could have prepared them for what happened next. And in just a few short months, they were able to make thousands of extra dollars each month through online business. And just one year later, they surpassed the five bigger mark in online sales for a single month. When now August 2013. Sales surpassed 36 grand, they decided it was time to stop working for someone else and start living for their family. I would have done it earlier, I would have done it earlier. And now we’ve sales in excess of $1 million. All learned online they travelled the globe in their shorts and sneakers smiling broadly from ear to ear as a community of wannabe entrepreneurs grows best miles with them. So looking back on their lives, it’s hard working teachers do they think that the ability to change the light so dramatically is more down to mindset or talent? And was it really a rocket ship to success? They launched with a doubt that it would fail? Or did they go through the same issues as the rest of us? Well, let’s find out as we bring them to the show to start joining up thoughts with the one and only Shane and Jocelyn Sams. Good morning. lovely couple. How are you?
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [2:32]
Good morning. Thank you so much for having us. We are really excited to be here.
I’ll tell you what, we do a lot of podcasts, man, but that was the best intro I’ve ever had. I’m telling you. I think I’m gonna take that and put that on my homepage. It’s a
David Ralph [2:44]
You deserve it. You deserve it. And just for the listeners, can we explain that Shane? Shane’s the one with the deep voice and Justin. So one
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [2:53]
way some people confuse us sometimes, but it’s okay.
David Ralph [2:56]
Now I I’ve been in many bars, and I’ve got confused myself at times. But that’s more down to alcohol. So with your life, there’s so much so I normally do a preamble, but I’m going to steam straight into it because you’ve kind of got the life that so many people want nowadays, it’s hustle bustle, and you’re picking the kids up and you’re throwing them at somewhere so you can get off to work and you can get back and stuff. Your life would have been like that. All of that now is below it was like when you look back now, do you think what took us so long? Or was it the right moment at the right time with the right podcast and the right ears? But that message to be received?
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [3:29]
Yeah, I think that, you know, we do have a very, we always look at each other and go our life is weird. Like we just got off a Disney Cruise a couple of weeks ago. And we’re building a deck outside, we actually have like our own private like, like behind our house. And you know, five years ago, I was standing in front of a history class. Jocelyn was sitting at a desk at a in a library in an elementary school. And we kind of sit here and say, how did we even get to this point, like at all to even live a life like this. But I don’t think we could have handled success any like before this necessarily. And it was the right timing because we had catalysts that forced us into this lifestyle. Basically,
David Ralph [4:10]
I think that’s really what you say there was a time when you can handle it. You know, you can’t handle the truth as they say, and there’s certain times when you can’t handle the success. And even the success I’ve got now with Join Up Dots. I look back on it. And I can see there was times when it started to go really well, but actually scared me even though at the beginning with a swamp blind that’s all I wanted. I wanted to success but I got to a point when I fall. I’m not sure if I can handle this so well what does success actually means you now? Is it the private lake? Is it being able to wake up when you want? Is it the freedom or is it something more?
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [4:46]
Yeah, I think that really success for me means just having freedom, being able to do what I choose when I choose to do it. And we have two young children. We have an eight year old boy azek and we have a six year old girl Her name’s Anna and We’re able to go and eat lunch with them at school, we can volunteer in their class and hang out with them. So you know, the the physical possessions, those are nice, but that’s not really what it’s all about. For me, it’s really more about just having freedom, being able to do things that choose to do but also to like,
we always, you know, say there’s two resources that you really have in your life, you’ve got time and money. And the time one always is like written in bold, italic giant font. And the money is like normal font. That’s kind of how I see it. Because, you know, we can travel, like during the week, like when we go places with the kids, where there’s less crowds, not as you know, not new lines on rides. No, you know, everything’s a little bit cheaper during the week than on the weekends. And just little things like that, to kind of flip your life like upside down and live kind of the opposite. The way the world does, is just, it’s invaluable. You can’t even put a price tag on it. He said, freedom I remember reading the four hour workweek from Tim Ferriss. And that was a big sort of Kickstart to my entrepreneurial journey. And I remember in the book or on one of these blog posts, he said, he realised that people didn’t actually want a million dollars, they wanted to live like they had a million dollars. And so if you have got the freedom to go out, that’s when the flight is the cheapest. With jump on that. It is a total game changer, isn’t it? People don’t need to hurry scurry to get more and more money. They just need that opportunity, that flexibility in their life.
Yeah, that’s absolutely true. And that’s the way that we live our lives all the time. We always do things kind of opposite the world. And you are able to save money that way. So you know, we don’t make saving money, a huge initiative, I guess. But it is a nice side benefit, I guess you would say
yeah, and like I can remember, like, we remember back to our old life, like when we I mean, we were we were on the most regimented schedule like we were teachers, like I couldn’t go pee unless the bell rang, you know what I mean? So like, so like, it wasn’t just like, you know, but you get into this flow of life and you don’t realise all the stresses that our society in our modern world puts on us, until you kind of remove some of those and you’re like, wait, I don’t have to do it that way. I don’t only get to go on vacation on the Fourth of July. I don’t only get to do X on these two weeks during Christmas break where the kids are home from school. And when you add that flexibility in your life, you see that life is better it’s richer, it’s easier than even if you had millions and millions of dollars it’s more of a time freedom that sets you kind of free with all of that other resources and stuff.
David Ralph [7:29]
So how is your bladder control now show you know are you like a dog just going whenever you want because you can
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [7:35]
Yeah, I mean, I got 30 we got 30 acres and no neighbours man I Beckford whatever no matter man, we’re in the south. You know what I mean? Don’t think Sammy is off to deer on the other side of the lake. So whatever.
David Ralph [7:45]
Upstairs out the bedroom window whenever they go for a man you can go for it. So let’s talk about your business because it was a rocket ship because I have spoken to so many people and your seems to be one of the fastest that I’ve seen just within a few months you started to see more than just the the green grass coming through, you started to see some kind of success. How much was the first money that you have? Because no matter who it is, they all remember the first online payment either from AdSense or from a sale. That Oh my God, this actually works. Can you remember?
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [8:21]
Oh, yeah, I remember it vividly. We People always ask us like, you know, what’s it like to make a tonne of money? What’s it like? What’s your favourite moment was at the moment that you first made five figures. The first made six figures and I’m like, nope. The very first memory that we have of making money is when we made 11 cents. We made like a diamond A penny for those of you who are in America. I was laying in bed one night, I had been trying online business by myself for three or four months. When we first found online business. I was super excited. I came running. I mean, I was literally on my lawn mower listening to a podcast about a guy who was making money online. You might have heard of him. His name’s Pat Flynn. Yeah. Yeah. And I got so excited that I just ran inside, I was ready to quit my job. I was ready to just throw caution to the wind and start our own online business and try this thing. And Jocelyn was kind of like, you’re a little crazy right now, if you can prove that it works, I might get on board. So of course I tried and failed miserably like all entrepreneurs do when you start right. And for about three or four months, we were making absolutely nothing I couldn’t do anything right. I was trying AdSense I was trying affiliate links. I was trying anything possible to make any kind of money online. And one night I was laying in bed close to midnight and we were getting ready to go to sleep and you know how you got like open up your little AdSense and you’re like yeah, that’s your money and all that stuff. And it was zero it was just goose eggs. That’s all it was. So I just got frustrated. I walked to the bathroom and you know and I use the bathroom. This whole conversation has been about paying so for some reason
David Ralph [9:55]
that I shine well up that age is
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [9:58]
I mean So basically I was I just had like a little prayer in my head, I say, God, is this even real? Are these people scammers, all these people on these podcasts and stuff? Or is this actually, you know, legit, and I was about to go to bed and right before I went to bed, I literally hit refresh on my computer. And where it was a zero when I hit refresh when it came back and said 11 cents. Some someone had actually clicked on one of those spammy Google ads on one of the blogs that I’d set up, and I had made money, I made money online, and you would have thought I made $11 million at that point, because I jumped out of bed. I’m a really excitable guy, man, I get really pumped up. And I was just like, pumping my fist going crazy, like touchdown in the Super Bowl, or the World Cup over there for you guys in the UK. And Jocelyn was looking at me again, like I was crazy. And I flipped my computer around. I said, there it is sweet. I made some content, put it out there, and somebody sent us money back. And at first you would think your wife would be like, it’s 11 cents go to bed. Right. But Jocelyn, I really saw the look in her eye change, like her face kind of like, like soften and she looked at that in her head kind of tilted. And she was like, wow, you actually made money.
Yeah, I just thought, hey, if you can do it, then maybe I can also do something on.
David Ralph [11:19]
So Jocelyn jumped in. And you know, once once it was both of us working together, that’s what really accelerated all of our success and why we were able to succeed so fast. I think that’s a brilliant story. And it’s so similar to so many people. I remember my first one was Balti to pee. And I created this website. And it was by hemorrhoid cream. And I just had this idea in my head that if I could create something that people were embarrassed to go into a shop for, they’d secretly do it online. Well, I didn’t sell any hemorrhoid cream at all. But somebody did click on the AdSense and it was 42 P. And then I pressed f5, like you said, and it was another 42 P and I thought this is brilliant. This is amazing. And I pressed it and pressed it and never worked again. But it did show me that you can literally make piles of money, you can make piles of money. And now I’ve got a holiday site out there, which it basically, every other month, I get a payment from Google. And then I get a payment for my hotel company. And it just comes into my bank account. I don’t have to do anything about it. So it’s out there, but you have to plant the seed. So let’s talk about that. 11 cents, how many hours do you think you actually put in to gain 11 cents?
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [12:31]
Oh, you know, we started I probably discovered online business in this. You know, in the summertime, because we were on summer vacation, it probably really only took me like two or three, maybe four months to make that money because I I’m a very obsessive person. Like once I get something in my mind. Like I’m just, that’s all I’m going to do. So I would literally come home and every minute of free time that wasn’t taking care of our babies, doing chores around the house or at work. any free time I stopped watching TV stopped doing anything but obsessively trying to make money online. listening to podcast. I remember one time we got on this detour, we had went down to Tennessee for a little like mini weekend trip. And we were coming back and we got on this detour. And I was happy that we were off the detour because it was going to take us like an extra hour to get home. So I could listen to more podcasts. Right. So I but every second of the time, I was just doing everything I could taking massive action. So I don’t think it was like a normal Hey, I’m gonna work on this a couple hours a night moonlighting type thing, it was chained pay attention to everything else in your life, like eating and bathing, because you need to do something. But I it probably took me two or three months to actually make that first 11 cents.
David Ralph [13:42]
And just how did you put up with him when he was upset? Because I know from my point of view, when I started Join Up Dots my wife used to say to me, you know, unless we meet each other somewhere in the garden, we’re never gonna see each other. You know what, you’re just obsessed with it? How did you sort of put up with him?
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [13:58]
She’s used to David, this is like everyday life. Shane gets obsessed with something like constantly so I’m just kind of used to it. So at the time, I just thought you know, this will pass he’s not gonna stay interested in this
state interested? So yeah,
David Ralph [14:17]
he’s obsessed with you still vote. Jocelyn is he?
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [14:20]
He is Yeah, we’ve been together almost 20 years now, which I hate to say because it really kind of dates us.
Yeah, we’ve been together a long time brushing up against the 40s that’s what we’re doing right now. We’re brushing up against it. So that’s
David Ralph [14:34]
all my shenanigans. Yeah, now I’ve gone past the 40s. I’m coming into the 50s I’ve got grandkids I’ve got everything and I can see but I couldn’t work with my wife. She would drive me mentor. So how do the two of you work? Well?
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [14:49]
Oh, that’s a good question.
Our day our desks are actually we’re sitting here right now. There. They actually face each other like we are literally together 24 hours a day seven days a week and we Just change our hats like that we’re parents now we’re business partners that were that’s never that.
It’s you know, some days are harder than others like, usually we get along really well, we have very different skill sets. So shine is better at like talking to people and PR type things of our business and I’m better at like nuts and bolts and optimising systems and things like that. So we just have very complimentary skill sets. So I think most of the time, I usually say that usually we bring out the best in each other occasionally the worst.
Right? But and occasionally means like about three o’clock every day until about four and then it’s all over. So
David Ralph [15:40]
and but this doesn’t lean over, does he lean over? And so it’s like, oh, actually, I think you should be doing that justly? No. Does he just say, right? No, it’s your baby. You do it?
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [15:49]
Yeah, that’s probably more me.
Yes. Jocelyn is like you do this, I’ll do this. She Jocelyn is the delegator, I think we’re pretty good at that. But we kind of get out of each other’s way. The only thing that really like where we stumble on each other’s toes, is Josh and I are both kind of visionary people, like future site type people. So you know, when we see an outcome that we want, if our outcomes that we want are a little bit different. That’s where the struggle comes is aligning our vision. But as for the things that we physically do in our business, on a day to day basis, I think we’ve kind of fallen into really solid roles for that. But there’s definitely conflict when like, it’s not that you want to go left and you want to go right, but maybe one of us wants to go a little more to the right than the other person does. Or something like that’s where you get into some conflict, being married, and being business partners at the same time
David Ralph [16:38]
as I want without getting too personal. You get into bed at night, and you both had a bit of a bit of an argument a bit of a techy afternoon. Do you forget it all? Or do you turn your backs on each other? And wait till the next morning? How do you sort of get past that? Because
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [16:52]
sometimes it’s similars. You know, I we actually just happened like last night, actually, we were like, literally just like, we had our the our kids basically stayed with the grandparents. And we had the knot to ourselves and being the entrepreneurial, nerdy people that we are, what do you do on date night? Yep. You know, you pour a glass of bourbon and you watch online business training. That’s what you do. So what Jocelyn and I were watching this training last night, and, you know, we were, we were going through some things, we were strategizing, like, kind of like a little bit of a plan for the next year. And, and we just had a little disagreement, I mean, about which way we’re going to go. And it I wouldn’t say got heated, but it was like, you know, you were mad enough to where your some people would be like, well, I’m sleeping on the couch, or I’m going to bed, whatever. And usually, we resolve this because we’ve set up strong systems in our life. When we first got married, we set a rule and no matter how mad we were at each other, we would always go to bed in the same bed. Like that was a rule that we set in our life. Because if you can go to bed together and you can get up in your own bed, and you don’t have this physical barrier that you put in between you that can solve a lot of problems because you do sleep on it, and you do wake up and you look back and go, man, I was pretty stupid. And you know, in the Bible, it says Don’t let the sun set on your anger. Right? Yeah, so we kind of embrace that principle and we set a rule for our house that now we go to bed together. We’re gonna be okay. This is just a blip on the radar. And you know, this morning we woke up Jocelyn mighty mite, our coffee. And you know, we haven’t even talked about it. So I think that having strong systems in place in your marriage is critical, especially when you work together. Oh, I’ll tell you why. I love the spam page. And I do my eldest daughters moved out now so we’ve got a spare bedroom. And at the moment, it’s half term so the kids are off for six weeks and my wife doesn’t have to get out and I still get up early. So I’ve been saying to make it easier in the morning so I don’t disturb you I sleep in a spare bedroom.
I love it. I love it. We can work
anywhere. We do that sometimes the hotels like when we go somewhere and the kids aren’t with us we’ll be there like three or four days and like one day we’ll be like let’s just sleep on opposite beds tonight so we can get really good sleep. And we actually just bought these new beds. We have a king sized bed and it’s like a you know the TempurPedic mattresses real soft foam stuff. We got the one that we got like the old person the hospital bed the old person bed lifts up and down and it has two mattresses. So it’s like you’re on two mattresses but you’re still in the same bed so kind of we get the best of both worlds.
David Ralph [19:21]
Look how excited he is Joslin even about beds for old people. He is an excitable guy
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [19:27]
isn’t a very he really, really Yes.
David Ralph [19:30]
But let’s play some words. Now that’s going to take us to the next stage of our conversation. These were said by Jim Carrey a few years ago. Let’s hear him again. My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail it You don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love. So looking at your life, obviously, you were both in the education system, you were both teachers, you’re now doing this. It seems like you love this more than teaching. But teaching is one of those things that you’re drawn towards what what part of your life would you say was right and wrong? Or was it all right?
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [20:24]
You mean like before when we were teachers?
David Ralph [20:26]
Yeah. When he was a teachers, you’re kind of drawn to be a teacher, you like to be there. But at the moment, yes, you’re rocking and rolling. You’re loving what you’re doing. What Jim Carrey was saying is you might as well take a chance on doing what you love. But did you use the love the other thing, but you love this more? Is it different? Does it just give you more freedom?
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [20:44]
Yeah, so I think the reason that we were drawn to being teachers is just for the benefits of being a teacher. So before I was a teacher, I actually worked in the corporate world. And there were a lot of things about the corporate world that I didn’t like, like the scheduling, you know, people expected you to work super long hours, and you didn’t get paid extra for it, things like that. So when we thought about becoming teachers, the the schedule looked really nice. You know, you get off work earlier, you’re off in the summertime, like, there were a lot of benefits to being a school teacher.
Yeah. And we always say that, like, we kind of thought that life was good enough. Like we had the, you know, we had a house at a 2.2 kids at the 2.2 cars, you know, we had all those like normal things. And we really played it safe, you know, we had retirement and if you just stick it out for 27 years, you’ll get you know, you’ll be okay, we’ll pay you until you die. And that kind of like got tipped over on its head when we had some bad experiences at work. And I was actually a high school football coach and a social studies teacher. And in one school district I worked in, I had a stable job that I was going to be there for a while. And the schools consolidated there were two high schools now we’re going to combine them into one. Well guess what, if you have two football teams, and you consolidate, now, you only have one football team? So guess what, once that’s gone, right. So I kind of lost my job based on the whim of voters in a county. And then a couple years later, my son had a really bad experience at a daycare centre, we found out that he they were mistreating him, they were actually locking kids in bathrooms and turning the lights out and punishing kids, getting them out of the way like that for hours at a time. I went in one day, and I discovered him in the bathroom. And he had been in there for probably about two hours. And I went to school that next morning and I said I’ve got to go I need some I got to go help my son, I got to go find childcare for him. I need help here. Can you please go watch my class, I was talking to my principal at my school. And she basically looked at me and said, You know, I don’t have time to do that right now. And I know your son needs you. But your your kids need you to over in your classroom. So go back to class, and you can handle it later. Well, and one from almost being able to flip the desk over and you know, kicking someone in the face on the way out the door. I was so furious at myself in that moment. Because I realised I’ve given all the control of my life to my employer. They think they own me, I’m a little more than an indentured servant right now. So that’s kind of what pushed us to the path that we’re on is to take control of our life take control of our time. If my son needs me right now, I can hit the red button on Skype, and I’m on the way to him, right. And that’s kind of where we’re at and why we left the teaching profession. the teaching profession was that safe job. And through no fault of our own a couple times like Jim Carrey said, We failed at that because of circumstance. But now we’re in the control. We’re in the driver’s seat, and we’re in charge of our destiny. And we don’t have to worry about that stuff.
David Ralph [23:47]
And then when you look at your life now Jocelyn, is it a kind of Oh, my God, what were we thinking? What is the world thinking because I do this, I earn all my income is totally under my own control. If I’m going off on vacation, which I am shortly, because my daughter’s getting married, I just basically scheduled everything, it’s all done. I tidy up. I’ve gone. I don’t have to beg to leave. I don’t have to do all this kind of stuff. I look back on my own sort of corporate life and being why, well, why did I give so much power to people? What’s your thing?
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [24:16]
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. And we think this all the time, just how did we ever do this, but we had to understand is we live in a very small rural area. So there aren’t a lot of jobs here. Teaching is considered to be a good job. I think in most other areas of the country, it would not be considered a good job. But where we live, it’s considered a very good normal job. And when we left people really thought we were crazy. I mean, people thought we weren’t nuts.
Yeah, it’s like a matrix. You know how like, when he first finds Neo, you’re saying I’m having and he’s like, and he’s like, you know, everyone else is plugged into the system and they’ll fight to defend it. Right. And, and we that’s real. That’s a real thing when we were going to quit our jobs. Like my mom actually cornered me one day and said, You have flipped out, you have children you got to do you’re a man, you got to pay the bills, you got to do this, you got to do that. And we’re like, Mom, we’re making more money now than we were making them but nobody gets it. Like nobody understands that you actually can go do something else. I’ll never forget when I walked in and quit, Jocelyn, I resigned, like in the same week, just like
Unknown Speaker [25:24]
a month after school had started
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [25:25]
yet. So we No wonder no one quits. It’s just not what teachers do. And my principal said, Hey, man, you’re gonna quit, like, how long have you been teaching? And I said, nine years. And he said, Man, you’ve been in the system, nine years, you’re gonna give up all that retirement all those years. And I looked at him, I said, Mike, there’s 18 and a half years left before I get to retire, dude, like I’m out. Like, you know, people just think I’ve invested this time I’m doing this. I’m doing the safe thing. It’s safe. And they don’t even realise that there’s something else out there for them. I need to
David Ralph [25:59]
pay you when I want to pay him out.
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [26:00]
Yes, what I have on my porch, come on
David Ralph [26:03]
every man duty,
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [26:06]
we have to pee and sell hemorrhoid cream to the world. We have a mission. They’ve got a mission.
David Ralph [26:10]
I know. It’s Oh, it’s and I’ll tell you what, I’m easing into middle age quite easily. And I find I’m interested with you actually said, Are you regressing? Are you becoming kind of younger by spirit? Because you can create your own lifestyle? Are you far more playful now than it was before? Because I certainly am. I’m a bit sort of mentor at the time, because I just love being creative and fun and playful. What about yourself?
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [26:36]
Yeah, I think definitely, for sure, I’m a fairly serious individual. But I think that I have a lot more fun now. Because I don’t have to worry about all of those little things that I had to worry about when I was still someone’s employee.
And we also get to like, you just have so much more choice on what, like, you get to choose what has power in your life. Like, if something stresses you out, you just remove it, you know, you can just cut it out. And also like we spend so much time with our kids now, we try to work between like 10, and one o’clock a day, we try to only work about three hours a day if we can, and we try to sprinkle lunch in there, if possible. So like, when we’re with our kids, we get to go and hang out together, we get to eat lunch together, we get you know, there is no way as when we were both teachers that Joss and I would have ever seen each other during lunch, or seen our children because we were all at different schools. And it’s the same thing, if you’ve got a corporate job, if you’re on the road to New York and your kids live in California, you’re gonna miss that time with them. And just being with our kids all the time, just being able to be with other each other all the time. We avoid stress, we avoid conflict, we’re on the same page more, and we’re having more fun. So it does make you younger, when you get to spend all that time with everybody.
I think sometimes though, we do worry a little bit because our children don’t really remember a time where we weren’t at home. Yes, when we started doing this, they were three and 18 months. So I don’t think they really remember a time that we had a quote, real job. And we do sort of worry at times because we’re like, what did our children think like, you know, we’re able to do all this stuff with them. They see their friends and their parents can’t do that. You know, how do we explain this?
I actually we were sitting here the other day. And Anna Jo had a little girl over. And they were on the back porch. And I was down by the like, cleaning out some weeds and ponds and just messing around up there to get to open a spot to fish. And I heard Anna Joe or a little girl go, we are so blessed and lucky. Because everything you see is ours. And she’s like we have a lake, can you believe it? We have a like and we’re like our kids becoming. We have to really guard ourselves and put into places during the day like you are lucky everyone else doesn’t get to live like this. The only reason we get to live like this is because we work so hard and we built something and we took a chance. And we have to really guard ourselves to make sure our kids are not becoming entitled and do realise. If you don’t do the right things you end up in the system like everybody else. But if you do if you do do those things like Jim Carrey was talking about that, quote, you take a chance you go try to do what you love. You can have what you love, even if you fail at the other things.
David Ralph [29:08]
What about those terrible times shame, those terrible times when your kids come back and they say I’ve got a school play and they’ve got one line and you’ve got to sit there for three hours listening to kids mumble just be a kid’s one line. When your corporate land you can get out of it. You can’t get out of it. Shane, you’ve created this nightmare when you’re sitting there in school waiting for that one line.
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [29:31]
Well, we are a little girl dances she’s a dancer. And Isaac is a swimmer. That’s what he was he competes in and those sports are amazing when your kids are on the stage but you have to go to six hour dance recitals to see your little girl dance for two minutes or you have to you waited a four hour swim meet to see your kid literally swim for 20 seconds in the shine. Has this figured out.
I got this figured out dude, I got this figured out. See, the cool thing is I don’t have to watch everybody else’s kids or listen to them. I bring pie castes I bring, I downloaded some ebooks so I can learn a little bit more, you know, I can sit there and read, and I, the dance recitals are great because they’re usually in the dark. So I bring my black headphones and I run them up through my shirt and nobody knows I’m like a secret service guy. So I got this figured out, I’m never bored at a six hour dance recital. And when my little girl goes up, and Jocelyn gives me the elbow, the headphones come out, and I’m in heaven. So I got to figure it out. Man, we figured that one out really quick.
David Ralph [30:26]
Oh, you’ve got it sorted. I went to see the Wizard of Oz. I’ve told this story before, but it’s my show. So I’m gonna tell it again. And I looked at the schedule, and I realised my daughter was on the first bit, and then about two hours later. And so I was sitting right at the very back of the hall, it was like half past nine in the morning, I shouldn’t have been that tired. But I thought, Oh, no one can see me. So she kind of she did a little line. And then I just thought I would just close my eyes for a second. And then when I opened my eyes, the entire Hall was empty. All the mums and dads that got up, they’d all cleared off, I’d missed the entire thing and how long I’ve been sitting there, I don’t know. But everyone was getting up pointing at me and taking photos. It was like it went viral. It went viral. That’s how to get promotion for your business. Just sleep through your kids play. That’s the way to do it. So let’s talk about promotion for your business. Because it’s all right, saying you’re doing very well. You’re creating something. But of course, you’re now teaching people. So how did you start getting the word out to your audience? How did they start connecting with you and going yeah, Jocelyn, and Shane, they are trustworthy, I believe in them, I’m going to sign up for their membership.
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [31:34]
Well, I think that it’s important to go back to understand why we did flip lifestyle in the first place. You know, Jocelyn, I started an education company where we were selling lesson plans to teachers, we’ve actually sold that business. Now. We just sold that recently, about a month ago. And so we’re not in that education space, as much as we were before. But we were making plenty of money. We didn’t have to, you know, I think a lot of people start the I’ll teach you how to make money online because they couldn’t make money online, they couldn’t do anything else. So they’ll start teaching other people how to do that. The reason that we got into it was actually because of a personal friend in the real world. When we quit our jobs, you know, at first people always say You’re crazy. What are you doing? But then about two months later, when they see what you’re doing? They’re like, Oh, wait, how do I do that, too. It always shifts when when that happens. And one of Jocelyn friends came up to her and said, Hey, you know, I, I would like to know what you’re doing. I’m going to quit my teaching job. And I’m going to stay home with my daughter to raise her homeschooler and be a home maker. That’s what I want to do. So Jocelyn basically showed her how to create digital products showed her how to sell them online. And lo and behold, she ended up making like $1,000, one month, and they, her and her family made a consistent amount of money going, you know, every month, they’re there, you know, going forward. And one day, her husband walked up to me at church and said, Shane, and he kind of had a tear in his eye. And he was like, I don’t think we’ve ever really thanked you for what you guys did when you helped us do that, that money is paying our mortgage. And my wife is able to stay home with my daughter because of that. So and he was really emotional. And just, you know, thank this. And of course, it felt good for someone to come up and thank you. But when I got my car, we were driving home. I remember telling Jocelyn, the story of what happened. And I looked at her and I said, you know, what we know could help people actually change their lives. It may not be what we’re doing, I may not be quitting our jobs. But what if we could help people pay their mortgage or their car payment and give them margin take some of that stress off of them. And that was kind of the catalyst for us to starting flip lifestyle. So from the very beginning, you know, we’ve never been the interview the gurus or jump on the affiliate launches or, you know, sell everybody’s products. I think that’s really come through that. We’re just here to help. We’re here because we want other families to experience the things that we experience. And I just think that people have trusted us. And Jocelyn always says because we’re from the south, that people inherently trust us automatically because we have an accent.
David Ralph [34:01]
Yeah, but either an accent and nobody trusts me. You see, you’re pretty
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [34:05]
Deborah, you’re from the United Kingdom, you Brits, your mom in
David Ralph [34:10]
the United Kingdom, which is evil, you get a villain in a film. It’s got an English accent, isn’t it?
Unknown Speaker [34:16]
David Ralph [34:17]
Yeah. So you can’t trust us. So the flipped lifestyle. Now I love the fact that your mom actually came up to you and said, Have you flipped out? Yeah. How did how did the name come along? Was it the sort of the mental aspect of turning things on its head? How did that name come about for you?
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [34:34]
Yeah, basically. So our lives are flipped because we put our family first instead of work instead of other things that other people or the world expects us to do. We choose what we do. And that’s where the name came from. And it actually the the genesis of that name was from my mom telling me I’d flipped out like when, as soon as she said that when I got my car we were kind of come up with a name for the business and I Like, my mom thinks we flipped out. Everybody else thinks we’re crazy. So let’s just embrace that. Let’s just go with it. And it became this life philosophy, we always tell people to flip your life, right? Because we we now travel opposite of the world, we spend our money in opposite ways of the world, like even things like, you know, people say, I’m going to spend some money on ads, we flip that upside down and say, No, we’re going to invest money in ads, we don’t use the word spend, wanna use the word invest. So so it is very much that turning the world upside down and putting it on its head. And and my mom had a little, she gets a little portion of the trademark there for telling us we flipped out.
David Ralph [35:36]
You don’t want to tell her that? She should have you mowing the lawns, you have everything. That’s what moms do they take your shine, don’t matter how old you are. You’re still her baby.
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [35:46]
That’s right. That’s right. You can’t
David Ralph [35:47]
get away from it. So with yourself, somebody comes along with one of the listeners out there, and they’re thinking this sounds good. But I don’t know anything about online business, and I can’t create a product. I’ve got nothing to bring to the world. I’ll be somebody that should walk away from you. Are they somebody that really they should embrace what you’re offering?
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [36:06]
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think that people who have that issue come to us all the time. And we’re able in our community to help them to come up with an idea to figure out that they are expert enough to create a product or create a service about that. And we pretty much just take them on the same journey that we went on ourselves.
Expert enough is a big word that we use a lot because people think you have to be this PhD or something else. But you’re if you really look at your life, you’re always ahead of someone else in any journey. And you can help them get that way. You’re kind of like the lantern bearer on the dark path. And people say, Well, I’m not expert enough, or I don’t have a degree or anything like that, you know, you know, how can I How can anyone trust me? And sometimes, you know, I’ll think to myself, why did you don’t just pay us because I don’t have a marketing degree. And I don’t have any certifications. It says, I’m an online business planner, but you came to us. Well, I started one of our first businesses, it was selling football playbooks, I had this really good playbook with really good plays that people could use for their teams to help them win more games. But the first time I was ever a head coach, I was Oh, and 10, I lost every game in a season, we we got better, but I was surely not some, you know, state champion national champion coach, but I had a solution for a people or a person’s problem. And they saw it as a solution. So they gave you money for it. So it’s not about being the expert, it’s about being expert enough. And everyone has something that they can contribute to someone else, if they just dig a little bit, go through some exercises and figure that out.
David Ralph [37:35]
One of the first things that I did through Join Up Dots was create a podcast training, podcast is mastery. And I look back on it now. And it was just very basic, it was just very much, you know, what you could get on YouTube, really. And I couldn’t quite understand why people were coming to me until somebody once said, it’s your profile. And its convenience. Although people can get this stuff free. They want somebody to actually hand it to them. And that was a big mindset shift for me where I thought to myself, okay, so I can create something else that they could get for free, but just offer it to them, and they would take it. And I still, as I say that now, I still pause to think why wouldn’t people you know, go over to YouTube, why wouldn’t people Google? Why wouldn’t people buy it is they’re busy, they’re convenient, and they want to go from A to B as quickly as possible. It’s the same
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [38:25]
reason we buy food at the gas station, or when we’re on the road, we you know, we’ll pay $2 for a can of soda that costs, you know, if you buy a six pack, it costs like 50 cents apiece, because it’s convenience. And curation is what people want. They want to handle the trust factor two people see us they see that we have the life that they desire. And they look at that and say, Okay, these people know what they’re talking about. I trust them, and therefore I’m going to do what they say, Yeah, when you see that we’ve had, you know, we have people that we’ve actually helped do the exact same thing we done. It’s easy to jump on board with that. Whereas when you’re randomly searching on YouTube, you’re like, what am I looking at here? I mean, this person is telling me to do this, but did they help someone else? Did they do it themselves? Are they just saying this information? And do they even have a plan? Or are they just throwing them at me a random information, basically,
David Ralph [39:14]
because because you do look very trustworthy. Even your photos on your website, you know, the two of you would be perfect serial killers, because I think I would just follow you. I would climb into the car with you and you could do what you want with me. You’ve just got this kind of, I don’t know, open honest. Look at that. Yeah.
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [39:32]
I think it’s the big. We’re just real, like people always we do live events around the country, and people will meet us. And you know, about four hours into it. We’ll be at lunch right before after the first sessions. And people will be sitting there at lunch. And they’re like, You’re exactly like on your podcast. And it’s because we are just we’re just normal people really with two kids, two dogs. We drive minivans, like we’re not driving you know lambos and pulling up to our mansions or anything. We’re just like normal people going about our We just happened to stumble across an extraordinary thing, which we call online business. Yeah. But
David Ralph [40:06]
I wouldn’t say that you weren’t normal. The fact that you decided on something and you took control. If we went back to what we were talking about earlier, that isn’t normal. We see so many people down their pub or bar on a Friday night moaning about their situation. But going back to it on Monday, you stopped USS you looked? That isn’t normal, is it? Definitely not.
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [40:29]
Yeah, I think, I think not, especially in the culture that we live in today. And, you know, like I said earlier, just the place that we live in, people think it’s crazy. If we want to do something out of the norm, I’ll tell you something else that we didn’t mention before that I think is relevant to this conversation. We also decided to sell our house in the midst of all this. So like when things started kind of picking up, we looked at ourselves, and we said, okay, how can we push the gas on this? How can we accelerate it as much as possible? And instead of, you know, most people say, Okay, well, I’ll stop going through the coffee shop drive thru, or we’ll start cooking more instead of eating out things like that. We said, Oh, no, no, no, that’s not enough. We need to cut our spending drastically. So what we did is we put our house on the market, and we bought a house that was half the size, and we lived there for three and a half years. So that freed up so much money in our budget to be able to invest in our business, like people always say, like, how did you quit your job in a year, because most people, you know, grind for four or five years, and I finally get to do that. And we’re like, you know, because we were all in we sold it what it is sold, everything that we had, like I had this book by this author is my favourite author. And I went and saw him one time and I got an autographed by him, the dude was dead. I sold that book with autograph in it, because it gave me 100 bucks that pay for hosting for like a year. So I was just like, we just said, No, this is more important. The light is at the end of the tunnel, we got to start walking toward it. But we got to do everything we can to get there before the train runs through behind us. Right. And that’s, you know, it’s not normal to do that kind of stuff. But But I but also to, I think it’s because of circumstance. We had we had catalysts that we responded to. And I think that some people don’t respond to their catalysts. They just accept them. Because they’re told this is what lives like, oh, life sucks, can’t wait till Friday, you know, people accept Monday through Friday as being terrible, when really, if they would just look back and say it doesn’t have to be terrible. If I’ll just do some things to take control. I can make it to the other side where it’s awesome. And I think that’s kind of where we were what we did.
David Ralph [42:33]
Yeah, no, I agree with that. Absolutely. Now, I’m going to play some words, that’s going to start to ease us to the end of this episode. These are words that were said back in 2005, and created the whole theme of Join Up Dots,
Steve Jobs [42:45]
Steve Jobs, of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference. powerful words but
David Ralph [43:21]
are they words that really sort of resonate with the two of you?
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [43:26]
They do me for sure. Jocelyn. It’s so funny. Like when I look back at like my life, like just getting the Jocelyn was like the most important thing in the world. And I can I can go all the way back to when I was like 15 years old, and I got hurt playing football. And I was a really good football player, like rising up, you know, and through high school and stuff like that. And I actually broke my knee. And I never got to play again, like my senior year kind of thing, right? But that changed me fundamentally in a different kind of person. Because you know, I got out of that jock culture. I got out of a little bit of arrogance, I was humbled, you know, by losing my athleticism. And when I got to college, when I met Jocelyn, if I’d still been the jock football player, Johnson would have never given me the time of day. Like she would just said, you’re at your desk, get out of here, right. And so I ended up with this amazing woman because I got hurt. But then, after college, I missed football so bad that I felt like I had not closed a chapter in my life. That’s what got me into education. That’s what got me into football coaching, which led to one of our first products which got Jocelyn into education, because that’s why she became a librarian was so we would both have the same schedule. And then we both started these businesses about football and elementary library and lesson plans that led to all of our online success and got us here. So it’s so funny if you look back the decisions that I made personally, after these catalysts, were what led to where we are like right Now, and it’s incredible looking back, you just can’t, there’s no way I could have known laying on a football field with my toe pointing backwards and my knees snapped and half that that was going to be part of those dots on the way to where we are today. So it’s, it’s amazing when you look back 2020 really is hindsight. And I think that we take a lot of chances on our business. We just invested like 20 grand on our business yesterday on some hiring and some trainings and things like that. And it was like a no brainer, because we were like, this will lead to something else. We know it will, because the process is always done that before. So let’s go for it and see what happens. And you can just take so many more risks. When you’re looking back and say, Man, it does always work out in the end.
David Ralph [45:41]
And so the words that sort of Steve Jobs almost finished with was stay young, stay foolish. Did you feel that is? how life should be? Should we be young of spirit but foolish of action? Just try stuff and the more things we try, we naturally find our thing? Or should there be a structure behind it up?
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [45:59]
You know, though, I think the way that we’ve gotten to where we are is about taking action. And this is what we tell our audience all the time. Shane always says a quote and I don’t know that right offhand. What is it that you always say, Theodore Roosevelt, this is my favourite quote, it said, in any situation, the correct thing to do is the right thing. The next best thing you can do is the wrong thing. And the absolute worst thing you can do is nothing. And we embrace that, quote in our business, we try to find the right solution to every problem if we can. If we can’t find a perfect solution, we just go with what we got. And you know what, we never sit still because that’s that’s never going to help you in any situation if you don’t do anything, we’ve got this it was so funny yesterday, this, this spring just popped up in our backyard yesterday out of nowhere. And we’re like, why is there water shooting out of the ground. Because it because the ground here is really dry. So basically the water is found its way into a natural spring. But it’s like five feet from our house. And like we didn’t know who to call we didn’t know what to do we’re like is our house going to sink into the abyss? So we just started calling everybody we called plumbers we called landscapers we call my brother me. Without it, we called the constable. Like we called everybody until we finally came up with a solution that we think may work. And we don’t know if it’s gonna work, but they’re coming over today to do it. And that’s just kind of how we run our business in our life as well.
David Ralph [47:23]
I would have got a load of plastic bottles or with a slap the flip the lifestyle on the front. And so somebody has bottled water, that’d be perfect. When there,
Unknown Speaker [47:32]
there would be we got we got flipped water. And we’ll put like the cap on the bottom and you have to like hold it and drink it from the bottom. It’s
David Ralph [47:39]
wet, wet towels is everywhere across the world, people will have wet trousers and be blaming you. So if you look back over your life jostling, and everything has led you to this point. Is there a big dot? isn’t a big dot that you think yeah, that really, really was when everything started to really go the way that we wanted it to go.
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [47:59]
Oh, goodness. Yeah. I mean, I think that there are a lot of different situations. I mean, if I had to look back at one thing, I would say probably it’s just shine discovering this world actually called a culture this like online business culture, because it is sort of like a small pocket of people. It’s getting bigger every day that I think without that, you know, none of this ever would have happened, like we would have still been in our jobs happy enough. Like all the other people out there.
Yeah, I’m thankful that like people podcast, and I think that’s another reason that we were drawn to sharing our story so much is because if Pat had never shared his story, we would have never discovered that we could actually write our own story. And that’s why it’s so powerful. And that we go back to that expert enough thing. It’s not always about what you know, it’s about what you’ve been through and sharing that with people to just inspire them to take action. They may not do what you do, but they’re going to have a better life because of it. So yeah, that that was I will never forget hitting the brakes on that lawn mower and putting about a five foot skid in the grass. And I run it inside Intel and Johnson about online business.
David Ralph [49:08]
I was a trainer in London, and I was sitting in my training room, and I was reading the Smart Passive Income blog every day. And I don’t read it now, funnily enough, but at a time, I was obsessed with it. And I sent an email to Pat Flynn. And it was something stupid something like, would you get somebody to create your WordPress site? Or would you learn it yourself something stupid, rather. And he actually came back with an answer. And it was the first time that I realised that actually, the online world was people. It wasn’t just global communities. You know, it was somebody who responded to me. And it blew my mind when I look at it now. And there’s no difference between online and offline. It’s just online. I can touch them and bundle them and offline and you know, you can touch them, but you can’t and it makes no difference. They’re still there in front of you whether they’re on or off.
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [49:58]
Yeah, it’s funny because we Got to we’ve actually become pretty good friends with Pat. And like we’ve we’ve met all these people that we were listening to in the beginning. And you know, we had dinner with Pat up in Maine one night and you know, it was like the two or three hour dinner at this barbecue joint. And it’s like, he’s got kids, you know, he’s there hit him and his wife talk and do the same things we do, you know, they’re trying to buy a house trying to put their kids through college trying to trying to live life. And if you just if you do put that remove that barrier of Oh, the keyboard is in between us. Now we’re all humans are really just trying to help each other. So let’s just all take action, everything’s gonna be alright.
David Ralph [50:33]
So just before we send you back in time, Shane on the Sermon on the mic to have a one on one with your younger self. What are the listeners out there? What would be the biggest advice that you would give them after listening to this episode of how you turned direction, you’ve changed direction totally, what would be the number one bit of advice that you give to everyone?
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [50:54]
I think the biggest advice we usually give people is, there are a whole lot of ways to succeed in whatever you want to do. People get caught up looking for Magic pills and magic formulas. And if you’ll just pick a path, and follow that path and forget all the other noise, don’t listen to 100 podcasts, pick one person who you like and trust and go down that path. It may not lead to your richest wildest dreams, but it’s going to move you forward. And the most important thing you can do is keep moving forward. Keep stepping forward. Jocelyn always says, you know, baby steps, you have to have baby steps before you go on to closer to your golden standing still. Exactly. I know you had a quote there, I can’t remember who it was. But baby steps gets you closer to your golden standing still. So pick a path, remove all the other noise and just follow it. You’re going to get there if you just start moving. And if
David Ralph [51:43]
I only choose one podcast, and it’s either the flipped lifestyle podcast or Join Up Dots, which one should we go with Shane, honestly,
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [51:52]
I think that me and you may need to start a podcast and combine forces and dominate the universe. We’ll just anybody between the Atlantic Ocean and America and England will just be dominated. So maybe that’s what we should do. Let’s let’s not get into who’s going to pick what podcasts let’s just all have an abundance mindset work together. Okay. So between the Atlantic and here, we’re aiming for Greenland. We’re aiming Yes. The Greenland market Nova Scotia has no idea what’s about to hit them. I’m just
David Ralph [52:21]
coming. We’re coming. We are Kelly’s joy,
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [52:24]
life flip lifestyle. That’s what’s gonna be Join Up. Dots. We’ll call it that.
David Ralph [52:29]
I like the first one because I kind of get top billing, but I’m gonna go with anyone. You’re an ex ex poker player with dodgy knees. So I can run faster. But you’re probably you’re probably take me down. Well, this is the partner shoulder we’ve been building up to. And this is the part that we called a sermon on the mic when we send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time, Shane to speak to the younger version, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give when I’m going to play the theme. And when it fades you up? This is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [53:07]
We go with the
Unknown Speaker [53:09]
speed of the show.
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [53:24]
I would choose at around 23 years old. And the reason I would choose that is because after Jocelyn and I graduated from college, we moved back to my small town. I went to work as an insurance salesman and for my dad’s insurance agency and Jocelyn went to work at a corporate job selling dishwashers, commercial dishwashers for restaurants. So we had exciting lives, of course. But the funny thing was even back then I knew that I felt like there was something different. So I started searching online looking for some way to make money. And I figured out Hey, I know a little bit about football, I’m gonna make some football drills, burn them onto DVDs and sell them on eBay. And I actually did this for a month and made $500 online way back in 2003. And wouldn’t make another dime online until 2012 when we started again. And the reason I stopped doing it was because the people around me were like, what are you doing this internet thing’s not gonna pan out. This is stupid. I don’t care if you made a little money, you got lucky. Don’t go down that route. Don’t try to do more of that and do something else. So I started chasing different dreams. I knew I didn’t want to be an insurance salesman, Jocelyn. I didn’t think we’ll be selling commercial dishwashers our whole life. So I started chasing the dream of football which led me into education, which was still that good enough life. And if I could go back to 2003 and walk in that apartment and grab myself and shake him and say whatever you do, keep this online. This thing going you’re getting in at the most important time of the internet, when it’s really about to take off. iPhones aren’t even invented yet. Just wait, you’re going to make it. And I can’t even imagine how different our life would be. If I’d done that. So maybe at that time, I wouldn’t have been able to handle it. That’s okay. All things worked out in the end. But that’s when I would go back. And that’s what I would say to my future self is or my past self is, stay online, forget everything else. It’s going to be awesome. So
David Ralph [55:28]
online and on track, I think is the word spare. So joseline What’s the number one best way that our audience who’ve been listening can connect with you?
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [55:37]
Well, we would love to have you listen to the flip lifestyle podcast, you can find it over at flip lifestyle comm we are also on Facebook, and Instagram at flipped LS.
David Ralph [55:48]
Perfect. And we will have all the links on the show notes. Shane, and Jocelyn, thank you so much for spending time with us today, joining up those dots. And please come back again when you have more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Shane and Jocelyn, thank you so much.
Shane and Jocelyn From Flipped Lifestyle [56:07]
Thank you so much for having us. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, thanks for having us, man. It’s a blast.
David Ralph [56:13]
And there you have it, Justin and Shane Sams the flipped lifestyle. I really like them. They are they’ve got integrity running through every single vein you could just barely on the show and you can go over to their podcast and look around. And they’re the kind of people that you should connect with if you’re thinking of doing an online business veya the kind of people but I would trust not some Glossy you know Corporation, but just honest people with honest issues and honest problems. They’ve got kids they’ve got a lifestyle. They’re the ones you should focus in on so go over to their website and connect with them. I’m sure they’ve got an opt in over there a six part video course I seem to believe from from memory and and get it going rocking and rolling. Cheers see doesn’t want
you to become a faded version of the brilliant self you or wants to become. So he’s put together an amazing guide for you called the eight pieces of advice that every successful entrepreneur practices, including the two that changed his life. Head over to Join Up dots.com to download this amazing guide for free and we’ll see you tomorrow on Join Up Dots.