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Introducing Stephen Warley
Stephen Warley is my guest today, on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots business coaching podcast.
He is a man who seems to have had three lives.
One pre internet, and then two afterwards.
When he was first booked on the show back in 2015, it was whilst he was high and flying with Unstuckable
Now he has pivoted and is on a mission to help the world embrace the life of entrepreneurial ventures
As he says “I’m on a mission to prepare people for the future of work.
Work is fundamentally changing as we know it (and faster than most people think!) I’m sounding the alarm to warn people how to prepare for it.
I’ve worked for myself for the past 17 years. I believe self-employment is the future of work. I believe it can be for everyone and not just a select few.
You know what I’ve discovered is the most effective method for teaching people about business?
Teach them first about the Life Skills That Matter before teaching hard business skills.
How The Dots Joined Up For Stephen
I used to be chronically anxious and stressed out about work because it wasn’t satisfying.
It wasn’t meaningful, it wasn’t making me financially independent, it controlled too much of my time and it prevented me from living the lifestyle I wanted to live.
Then I designed my lifestyle to work on my terms.
Today I’m happily unemployable.
So if you want to work for yourself, you need to learn about yourself first.
You need to understand how to manage yourself.
After all, you are the first resource of your business!
So how long did it truly take him to embrace the entrepreneurial journey and 100% decide it was for him?
And when did he come to realisation that it could in fact be for everyone, not just the chosen few?
Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Mr. Stephen Warley
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Stephen Warley such as:
Why we should all pay more attention to the hours where our energies are at their highest to bring into the world our greatest work.
Stephen says we shouldn’t keep asking permission for our lives, from employees, teachers, parents. Its our life we should all take control.
Why so many people fail to look back at their younger selves to find the real clues as to how to design their lives going forward.
How he used to be someone who couldn’t ever imagine would be able to work for himself…..and wow hasn’t he showed the world that he was wrong.
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Audio Transcription For Stephen Warley Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling join up dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK David Ralph
David Ralph [0:21]
Yes. Hello. Good morning, everybody. Good morning, sexy listeners. And thank you so much for being here today. On another episode of a join up dots I’ve been looking forward to this one for a long time. I’ve been looking forward to it for quite a long time, as you will hear in the show. He is a man who seems to have had three lives one pre internet and then a couple afterwards, when he was first booked on the show back in 2015. And it was early days in 2015. It was whilst he was high and flying with his platform and sparkle. Now he’s pivoted, and he’s on a mission to help the world embrace the life entrepreneurial ventures as he says, I’m on a mission to prepare people for the future of work. Work is fundamentally changing as we know it and faster than most people think. I’m sounding the alarm. I’m sounding the alarm to warn people how to prepare for it. Oh, that’s a rubbish alarm. Oh, no, that sounds like a cow. I can’t do it alarm. Anyway, I’ve worked for myself for the past 17 years. And I believe self employment is the future of work. I believe it can be for everyone and not just a select few. You know, what I’ve discovered is the most effective method for teaching people about business. Teach them first about their life skills that matter. Before teaching hard business skills. Perfect. Yeah, I used to be chronically anxious and stressed out about work because it wasn’t satisfying. It wasn’t meaningful. It wasn’t making me financially independent. It controlled too much of my time, and it prevented me from living the lifestyle. I wanted to live sound familiar? When I design my lifestyle to work on the terms. Today, I’m happily unemployable. So if you want to work for yourself, you need to learn about yourself. First, you need to understand how to manage yourself. After all, you are the first resource of your business. So how long did it truly take him to embrace the entrepreneurial journey and 100% decided it was for him? And when did he come to the realization that it could in fact be back everyone, not just the Chosen Few? Well, let’s find out as we bring them to the show to start joining up dance with the one and only Mr. Stephen Warley.
Stephen Warley [2:27]
Good morning, Stephen.
Thank you. Thank you for that tremendous introduction. As only David Ralph can do best introductions. All podcast land.
David Ralph [2:39]
You’re too kind You’re too kind you’re you’re still in suck up mode, because you said I was attractive and then sexy before we press record.
Stephen Warley [2:46]
I well, because I’m an energy guy. Anybody who knows me I’m all about energy and you have like incredibly attractive energy, man.
David Ralph [2:52]
That’s what my wife doesn’t say. I don’t know why everybody else seems to say that but my wife she is it because she sees me scratching myself in my depends, is the energy just something she can’t see.
Stephen Warley [3:03]
Or it’s something that she’s gotten so used to, you know, or she is she’s so attracted to it. She just doesn’t want to let you know too much about it. So it doesn’t go to your head.
David Ralph [3:11]
Ah, see, I see. I like what you did there. I think next Exactly. She can’t trust yourself around me. She sees my energy and she sees my my my leering energy and maybe last ball energy and She protects herself by pretending she can’t see. I like what you did Mr. Walley.
Stephen Warley [3:29]
Well, thank you very much, my friend. But sir, I mean, seriously, energy is like something I’m so sensitive to. And I become, as I’ve grown throughout my life and career I, I realized that’s the thing, you really need to pay attention to the energy that you are creating yourself and how it affects others and how others affect you. And if you can start being aware of that, and really knowing how to manage your energy. That to me is one of the core keys to the future of work. I know that sounds were Whoo, I know that doesn’t sound like I want to learn a hard skill Hello, exactly what I need to do. So I can strive for the next 10 years. I tell people learn how to manage your energy. No, I
David Ralph [4:06]
agree with you, 100%. And I’ll tell you why. Because on a Thursday, I do join up dots I record all my episodes in one days, I’m not one of these podcasters that does it all the time and says, Oh, I love talking into the microphone all the time, I just like to do it when I want to do it. And that’s on the first day. So I build my energy up to that. And what I used to do, I used to record the shows and do all the admin in between, I’ve been straight into the shows. And by the end of it always absolutely like The Walking Dead. I was terrible. So now I protect my energy, and I protect it for the show. So I record the shows and in between, I don’t really do much at all. And then the next show comes along, I’m very much more clued up on energy than I ever was before. I just thought I was sort of ever ready Bunny, just battery me keep going until I wear down. I
Stephen Warley [4:57]
love that use the word and use the phrase you said protect energy. Because we think that just because you’re awake for 16 hours a day, every single one of those hours is not equal in terms of available energy. And from my research my experience and from the 500 plus people I’ve interviewed in every way more people than I have maybe picked up on this. But especially when we’re moving into this more knowledge, creative curiosity economy, you will only have about four hours of sharp mental focus of quality energy to do your best mental work. That’s it. And you need to start becoming aware, when does that four hour window happen for you. For me, it’s seven in the morning till 11 in the morning, that’s what I do my writing. I’m like you I like to also cart compartmentalize different projects, I happen to do all my interviews on Tuesdays. Because that way, I’m just in that energy zone of having great conversations all day long. And that on Mondays, it’s kind of an administrative day. So there’s all these different ways. And when you I mean, that’s why I’m encouraging everybody to like work for yourself now. Because you can really start managing and designing your life this way in alignment with your energy not just constantly needing to do more to keep up with the Joneses
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David Ralph [6:06]
Bo Steve and isn’t it where everything and I must have spoken about this a billion times in my life. While every business operates between nine to five, you know, it may not be your time, you may not be good at nine o’clock in the morning, you might be good at sort of like in the afternoon. Why does everything operate nine to five? And why is it all an eight hour day, it doesn’t matter what task it is, whatever you’re doing in any company, I used to go in and I could get all my work done by about two hours and had to kill six. And I know other times I’ve had jobs where I was literally struggling to get it done in eight hours. Why is why does that still operate like that?
Stephen Warley [6:46]
Number one, I want to let people know it is totally made up prior to the eight hour workday people were working like 16 hour days, right? That’s when you know, the 1800s where people were totally being exploited, you know, in all societies, because of the Industrial Revolution, I forgot who then came along who said let’s divide the day into three, eight hour parts, eight hours of work, eight hours of sleep and eight hours of you know, taking care of your domestic life. So it’s completely made up into your point, you know, there’s there’s night owls, you know, people who function better, they’re better, their best mental work is done, you know, maybe seven at night till 11 at night. And they have been at a disadvantage for decades because of this model. And I think, you know, that schedule is designed for the interest of corporations for large corporation, it works for them, they like that order. They like that regularity that they like to know what is going to happen. But we’re humans, we’re unpredictable. We’re out here the natural world, like I always tell people, I feel like I’m a plants. You know, I’m very responsive to light, you know, I kind of hibernate in the winter, like, I like sleep like upwards of 10 hours a night between mid November, mid January. And guess what people that’s normal throughout human history, that’s actually normal. Then during the summertime, when it’s much brighter I can get by and like, you know, seven hours of sleep at night. So that’s so once you kind of kind of understand. And I always say David that’s my biggest frustration or my biggest hope. People will believe that they can’t work for themselves. It’s just for a select few. I was one of those people who never thought they could work for themselves and reality hit me in the face and made me do it. But I think traditional employment is actually harder to teach humans to suppress themselves to submit themselves. I think self employment is a more natural form of working because it’s more in alignment with your natural rhythms as a human and with nature.
David Ralph [8:41]
But the problem is Steven throwing it back at you is it’s that mental aspect, isn’t it? You know, all your life. Except for the few basically you you’re a kid and you get pocket money, it’s given to you, you do a job, you earn money, all this kind of stuff is kind of almost you work for the hour. But entrepreneurial life is a completely different ballgame. So it’s not just the case that you turn up and you sit there for eight hours a day, and you get your money at the end of the day. But that’s the seems to be the bridge, the mental aspect of actually being able to put yourself in a position when you say, hang on, give me the cash and not just to expect it.
Stephen Warley [9:21]
Absolutely. It’s so funny. I just released this week, a podcast lesson all about, stop asking for permission. Because the traditional work system is a permission based work system. When you want to learn something, when you go to college or university degree, you’re asking for permission to learn. When you are applying for a job. You’re asking for permission to work. When you ask for a raise, you’re asking for permission to make more money. And what I’m saying is that doesn’t make any sense. When you work for yourself. And what you’re also talking about is we actually have to go through a process of deprogramming ourselves and bringing awareness and giving ourselves permission to say, you know what, I don’t like working this way. This is one way to work, infinite ways to work, that’s the thing we have to get out of out of our head that the nine to five is just one of an infinite forms of work, and that we all have that opportunity to give and only give ourselves the permission to say, How do I want to work? What am I values? What am I needs? What are my abilities? What available resources do I have? What are my circumstances, what are my advantages, because what works for you might not work for me. And that’s where we really have to start as a as a society, we have to have, we have to have this discussion that we really I mean, very, very large policy initiative, we need to redesign our entire educational system is designed for 20th century assumptions, economic assumptions, and that is not working. And we are not preparing people to manage themselves to think for themselves, we are still asking them to follow the directions defer to authority, follow this schedule. experts know better than you. And that’s and that’s the thing, a lot of times people when they work for themselves for the first time there, they say I feel like I’m a fake, I’m a fraud, I’ve imposter syndrome. And I said, Hold on a second, guess what there is no all knowing expert anymore. There’s people who are really deep into what they do. But it is currently impossible for you to know everything, even in your area of expertise, because the economy is changing. So fast. Now, technology is changing so quickly, that the best way to stay in touch with your given field interest passion, is to keep doing it. It’s no longer enough to say I’m going to study this for four years, six years, eight years, and then I’m just going to be deemed an expert in this field for the rest of my life.
David Ralph [11:33]
Now, this is the key thing, right? Because I only got interviewed on the show the other day, and somebody said to me, you’ve interviewed 1000 plus people, what is your big learning David Tell me Tell me, why are these people successful? And I said, Well, this is the first thing that I realized. Most people, if not all, people that I speak to on my show are basically idiots in 95% of stuff, but absolute brutal at 5%. And it’s the 5% that is making all the difference. And that is what the problem with the education system is where they say, you’ve got to be good at all these things. You got to be good at French, you got to be good at Spanish, you got to be good at metalwork, you got to be good at this. And it’s just rubbish. Most of the time, you know, very good. But once you get into entrepreneurial land, these guys and I put my hand up. I’m I would say and it takes me a while to say this. But I would say on a podcast. I’m very good. But 95% of everything else. I’m complete rubbish. But it took me a while to think that actually I don’t have to worry about 95% because the education and work and everything else was always focusing in on the things that I couldn’t do. Well, what do you think Mr. Walley,
Stephen Warley [12:45]
I couldn’t agree more. It’s this. It’s a crazy system. You know, this idea. Like when you’re if anybody’s listening, you have children, you’re worried about that they have a see all the time at a particular subject, but they’re always getting a and another subject. You know, it’s like, I would always say, if I, if I had children, I would say like, if you’re not doing the best that you can, and what I know you’re really interested in doing so well. And like that’s a problem. I want you to do what you can to be aware of those other subjects, because I do think when we are starting, we should have a general awareness, because you’re still trying to figure things out, we want to know what kind of lights or fire because I’m a big believer that, really, if I were redesigning the educational system is doing lots of quick experiments and getting kids and students to really try things out for themselves. Because I always say that, like, you know, you and I could sit here and say that we’ve interviewed all these people, and this is what you should know and go do it. Or you can read all these books. And I think those are incredible options. Absolutely. But until the moment that you do it for yourself, it kind of doesn’t matter. Because what matters is how you feel about whatever is whatever it is that you’re doing. You know, it kind of bugs me when there’s those productivity gurus is, this is the way this is the way you have to do it. And I always give people again, permission is Hold on a second. Just do as an experiment. Let’s see if it works for you. Because it might not. And that’s okay.
David Ralph [14:07]
So so so when you start because as I say you will look back on 2015 and you you through my invitation back in my face, and three years later, here you are, you are coming crooning back to me, so that’s fine. That’s fine. I accept that. But what was the difference between unstoppable and life skills that matter? Well, what was the difference between that? And why did you stop that one and move on to this
Stephen Warley [14:31]
in fairness, I was blowing up and stackable at the time that I received your invitation. So I was not in a great place. Ironically, a whole podcast about getting unstuck, I got stuck, right? It happens. And I always tell people when it comes to fear and getting stuck, those are things that will never stop happening in your life, what happens is you just get better at bringing awareness that it’s starting to happen, you get better at recognizing the triggers. And you get better at knowing how do i do something about that this maybe a little bit sooner, or knowing that it’s not forever, you’re going to get through this and sometimes you just have to like roll through it. So I ended up blowing up that business. Because we I didn’t my business partner, I just had some differences, it was best to to end that relationship. So that I still have always been I’ve been on this journey a long time, you know, when I got laid off, you know, almost 18 years ago note in November election day 2000. I always believed I said to myself, you know what, there’s got to be another way to work, there’s there’s has to be because the way I was taught to work just doesn’t make sense to me. I don’t know why I just feel it in the depths of my soul. And I went on this wandering journey for five years to really kind of figure this out. And it turns out that I’m like, Oh, I’m pretty okay, that supporting myself, you know, I guess this is what self employment is all about. You know, it took me five years to say I’m an entrepreneur. And then once I clicked in, and it really focused on my thing, then things went great. And now you and then even that business, I was doing sales training for broadcasters. While it was a financial success. I didn’t feel like I was really leaving my mark on the world and what I wanted to do to truly empower people. And I looked at the next trend, and I just felt like I’m like, I think most people have no idea. I mean, are clueless that work as they know it is about to completely change. I mean, fundamentally changing the way that we haven’t seen since they adjust a revolution. And nobody is talking about it. Our political leaders aren’t giving the lip service that it deserves. Our corporate leaders aren’t doing it, academic leaders aren’t doing it. They’re talking about it. But it’s one of many issues. I think it’s the greatest policy crisis of our time, because it affects everything. And we are not preparing people for it. And that’s where I think I held myself back and I, I’m not going to you know, the I believe this is happening. And it’s happening faster than people think. And as I always say David if your house was on fire, you would want me to tell you, and so I’m telling people work, as you know, is on fire. It’s starting to smolder, and I just want to let you know about that. So if you want to do something about it, at least you’ve been warned, if you want to stick your head in your sand. That is that’s an option too. But you can’t we can’t wait for governments and corporations to save us. We need to be human and humans evolved to work together. And we need to start looking out for each other, not just ourselves. And it nothing thrills me more than helping somebody like you creating content to with you, or whatever it is that we can do in the future. Because that is the future that’s where it’s at. and technology is enabling us to take care of ourselves again.
David Ralph [17:38]
Yeah, and what we eat and what blows my mind, and it blows my mind every time I’ve done like 1500 shows now or whatever it is. And every time I connect with someone, and I say, Oh, yeah, I’m sitting in a cafe in Russia, I think to myself, my God, how would you have done this before, you know, 10, 1520 years ago, and you would have done it in a totally different way. Businesses always operating, you would have gone to the marketplace, you would have gone down to the street, you wouldn’t have spoken to people live. But the fact that now we can tap into 7.8 billion people, however many I’ve got the internet and have zoom meetings and do live coaching and whatever you want to do in your business? Why do people still think that it’s not for them? That’s what I don’t understand, Stephen, and you are gonna give me the definitive answer now. But I will play it in front of every show for the rest of my life.
Stephen Warley [18:31]
I don’t know if it’s the definitive answer, but I have to take that one. We were taught to think this way was indoctrinated at us from day one, as a society through our educational system. So we were really taught and when everybody is around you and things like this, you just think this is normal. This is the way it is, this is the way it’s always been. until you start like me getting kicked out of the system and you start developing your curiosity, you start experiment, you start talking to lots of people and you start finding out your life Hold on a second, this isn’t the way it’s always been. And this is also not going to be the way it’s always going to be. So what do I do about that? So that’s, that’s one piece of this, that we’ve been taught to function like this. Number two, as humans, we it’s very comfortable to have a lot of our work decisions, outsource to a hierarchy. So there’s part of, you know, this, that’s part of being human too, it’s part of our brains like that certainty to know, like, all this is figured out, I get to show up, I do my one thing over and over again, I get paid a pretty happy life. And that was the social contract, at least in the United States and much of the Western world after World War Two, until that contract started to fray in the 1980s and got ripped up in 2008. And now and i a lot of times people will say I still want to work for somebody, because I like this to the financial stability. I like the sense of community. I don’t know if I could manage myself, I don’t want all that responsibility. Anyway, what I tell people is you are avoiding what it is you really want to do in life, you are avoiding the most important question in life, traditional employment is giving people permission to avoid the most important question in life. And it is what is it that you want to do with it? What do you want to do with it, you actually have to think when now we are living our world not have limited jobs because of automation, we are entering a world of infinite problems that need to be solved. So that means there’s infinite work opportunities. And that scares the crap out of people because they’re getting called out that they actually have to ask themselves, what do I want to do? They have to do the hard work of knowing who they are, what are they good at? What is the problem that they’re going to solve? And what’s the way that they’re going to do it? I’m not saying everybody has to be a startup entrepreneur or a CEO, none of that. But I am seeing a widening spectrum of self employment in ways that we can’t even imagine right now. And that is where we need to really are just disconnect Ted from ourselves. And we’re miserable in our jobs, because we aren’t giving ourselves permission to be who we are. Is that the response you expected?
David Ralph [21:07]
Well, no, it wasn’t because that’s not going to fit at the beginning of every podcast episode I release. I won’t have a show after it that you. You’re not known for brevity, Stephen. I was expecting for words punchy. But I could put that
Stephen Warley [21:22]
you put me on a soapbox, man. And I think I hope back to the energy thing that that little bit is something that maybe somebody is like, Oh my gosh, I think I need to listen to that over and over at least once a day until I start getting this through my head. I would even tell people write down the question, What do I do really want to do with my life? Put it on your bathroom mirror, put on your fridge, put it on your laptop? And keep trying to answer that question.
David Ralph [21:49]
I’m going to play some words and people don’t know if I don’t. I’m gonna play some words now. And then we’re going to come back to Steve and Wally is Jim Carrey
Jim Carrey [21:57]
my father could have been a great comedian. But he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you could fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [22:24]
Now, the question that I want to pose to you based on those words is Yeah, okay, now 17 years down the line, you’re doing what you love, you’re looking sexy. The world loves you. Everyone is getting you on their podcast, and you are providing distinct, three letter answers that they can put in front of podcast, and it’s perfect. Everything is great. But how long? Did it take you to find the last thing? How many things did you do at the beginning that was just scrambling around for cash? Because you got to pay bills, after all, oh, five years.
Stephen Warley [22:58]
And not only was I scrambling for five years, but I was like, I kind of still don’t know what I really want to do. And yes, it’s very uncomfortable. And yes, I also knew I had to keep walking down that road, because the alternative of going back to an office to do something that was soul crushing and was making me miserable, and I knew was in decline. I knew that was no longer an option. So I only had one way forward. And that was to get really honest with myself about what it is I was going to do what I was going to be good at and who I could do that for. And when you keep at it, when you keep taking action and get out of your head and keep talking to people, things do start coming together because people sense your energy they sent to your commitment. They sense your A through Z ism. They sense like that, as somebody I want to work with. People want to work with people who are excited and enthusiastic. People don’t want to work with people who just want to be told what to do and collect a paycheck. And that’s what a lot of people still want today. And that is fastest appearing
David Ralph [24:00]
at that was a good, lovely answer. It really was, and life skills that matter even because I understand that I understand that more perfectly even probably 95% of the platforms that are presented to me, because I know that hard business skills are good, useful, and tactic to have. But unless they’re right for the individual, then they’re not going to work at all.
Stephen Warley [24:26]
Yes. And by the way, I have my punchy phrase for you. I’m going to hold it for the show. Okay.
David Ralph [24:32]
He went oh David sexy new voiceprint. I don’t know what happened to you. I thought I thought somebody else that jumped on the show.
Stephen Warley [24:37]
Oh, we’re going to teach people I’m going to tease you to
refresh my memory. That your previous question.
David Ralph [24:44]
It wasn’t really a previous question. It was more me waxing lyrical about the fact that life skills that matter hits home, because I understand that it’s not so much about
Stephen Warley [24:53]
Yeah, what no, yo and I do I ya know, it generally, you know, there’s a lot of people, right, and you do this to your Do you want to be on other people’s podcasts, but I, I really only want to be on other people’s podcasts that I feel like an energy connection with. And I feel that with you. And I really, it’s, I feel like so like honored that you feel that way, and you get it because I mean, it was kind of I feel it when I was thinking about this concept, it felt like a risk that I want to teach people how to work for themselves. But I felt the best way to do that is I have to start by teaching them life skills first, which is very unconventional. Most people who do what I do, immediately dive into all the hard business skills. And that’s kind of what people expect. That’s what you think you’re supposed to do. And what I’ve realized that the three forms of work that everybody avoids, that you really need to learn, in order to work for yourself, you have to work on yourself, which is self awareness, you have to work on building relationships, building your tribe of support, because you’re human. And you have to work on creating back to what you’re saying before, you can’t wait, we were conditioned not to work, somebody was going to say, okay, we’re going to pay, we’re going to give you a paycheck in two weeks. And as you know, you have to if you want to master your craft, if you want to get better if you want to show people that you’re excited about this, and you’re not going to get paid for that. And those are the three forms of work that we really have to do that are the foundation of making you more resilient, making more valuable, even if you are going to end up being a traditional employee. corporations want people who have a self employment mindset,
David Ralph [26:27]
can I tell you something, Steven, this might be a shock to you, this might be a shock to all my listeners. But basically, at my heart, the only thing I want to do is talking to the microphone. Everything that’s coming towards me kind of almost takes me away from what really arouses me, and that is talking into the microphone. And I think it’s the first time ever, that I’ve really felt like that I’ve done jobs before. I used to be a stand up trainer, I used to do presentations, public speaking. And there was moments when it really hit home. But I didn’t never felt the passion for anything like I’ve got here. And when people say oh, you’ve done you know, 1500 shows, whatever. I just think it starting. I don’t care where it goes, but I’m going to be on the microphone until they pull me off.
Stephen Warley [27:14]
You are seriously giving me such huge chills right now. Because I once told my parents, I just want to get paid for having great conversations. And it’s possible, it is possible. And because I think a lot of times we’re so afraid of like this is the thing, I want to do that. Because we don’t see that somebody else is doing it or is not doing it the way that we’re thinking about it that it can’t be done. And I just want to remind people that you’re the economy that you’re used to this mass market economy where value man sitting in one size fits all was what it was most attractive in terms of investment. We are that is disintegrating now into infinite niches, that your best course of action is to be yourself. That’s your most valuable option. Because there’s never been a David Ralph has walked the earth before. And there will never be another one of you again. And and same for each person listening to us right now. And from a marketing perspective, it’s all about value comes from being unique. So your most unique, your most valuable option from a business marketing perspective, and just from a life perspective is just be yourself. All
David Ralph [28:20]
right. I I agree with that, I just think, you know, we we we just need to break free, we just break free from whatever has been around us. And I see it with my daughter, I’ve got two kids, my daughter is just like crazy mad, she just seems to be living in a spirit that is her own. And I don’t know what she’s going to do from one second to another, my son is very much more controlled and measured. And it’s almost like he wants to wait for the right moment to make my maximum effect by his actions. And I sort of say to me, you know, you need to loosen up, he says Why? When I say to right thing, it’s going to be worth a million pound. And I can understand both points of view, what’s up? Is it right to hold back your talents until that right moment? If that’s you? Or is it just be loose and be free and throw it out to the wind and see what happens?
Stephen Warley [29:14]
I think people hold themselves back because they’re afraid of what other people think. So if you are not doing what it is you’re doing because you’re afraid of what other people think you’re afraid it’s not a perfect you’re, you’re afraid you have imposter syndrome. That is not a good reason. I think then on the other hand, there’s people who are doing their thing, but they’re not getting better at it. They’re they’re brimming with confidence, but they’re not really getting any better at their craft. That is not okay, either. You have to keep getting better, you have to keep improving. You can’t be a huckster, a snake, oil salesman. And to sell crap continually, you have to really embrace that. And it’s also okay to try lots of different things. And life is a long time that you might be doing things in different phases. I will say this, though David I think I know a lot of times people talk about, you could have multiple purposes and passions. I do feel at least from the people, I’ve interviewed people to have a natural tendency, and that natural tendency shows up way back in your childhood. And I felt like I always had a natural tendency toward talking to people and listening to people learning from them. And then I want to go share it with other people. I had a tendency I love doing school projects. So I love doing putting together presentations, and podcast and blog posts, I love thinking about all the different elements and how I can keep making them better. And that’s something that’s still at 44 years old, I’m still doing it’s by natural tendency, it is showed up in many different ways and different parts of my life. So it’s about bringing that awareness and saying, you know, this is something I like to do. How could I do that in some form? In what I’m doing right now?
David Ralph [30:49]
Yeah. And that’s, that’s the key thing. That is the difficult thing. How do I do this thing that I love doing, and I’m really good LA, and I could become amazing at it, and then get back paid for it. And first of all, you’ve got to cross that mental bridge of Hang on, that’s not for me that I’ve got to do the safe route. And then once you go into it, you realize Actually, it’s a deep dive. You know, when I started podcasting, I really thought to myself, all I’ve got to do is talk and you know, put it out to the world. Big mistake, first of all, how to get people to listen to it. Okay, I had to cross that bridge, then how do I get people to share, cross that bridge, and it just seemed to take me into a never ending tunnel of darkness. And for a good couple of years, I was crawling along on my belly through this podcasting tunnel, not seeing any light, I have rain now. It’s just like a mo, until suddenly, I saw a glimmer. And I carried on working towards it. And things have been great since then, how do people do that? How do people if I haven’t got that persistence, get paid for the thing that I like to do the most, because it’s not an easy journey.
Stephen Warley [31:55]
Let me back up as I love this. And I’ve thought about this a lot. It’s, it’s again, it’s the i’ve i’ve read about the brain and really trying to understand how my brain works and working with it, not trying to work against it, I think a lot of 20th century behavior or science or kind of works against your nature, I’m a big believer of working with your nature. And when you want to do something, that you’re not sure how it’s going to make money, or this idea of working for yourself, that it’s very overwhelming to your brain, your brain, its job is saying, you know what, we have limited energy here, I’m looking for sure things. And I want to make the best use of energy. Because that made sense. 10,000 years ago, we were going out to look for, you know, the woolly mammoth to bring down and hopefully we’d have food for a month. Now, you know, hopefully most of us have a lot of our basic needs taken care of Unfortunately, there’s too many people that still who don’t. So the way to hack our brain is so I want to do this thing. But I don’t see the end in sight. I don’t know what the result is going to be. So I tell people to do experiments with a deadline and a goal. So I generally like to try to do 30 day experiments. And then how have some sort of goal in mind, whether it’s numerical, or I want to finish something. So that what it does is it tricks my brain and saying, Okay, I see an end in sight. But it allows me to keep pushing through and not to give up too soon, because you’re not there’s a learning curve, and you have to push through the learning curve. And then you have to kind of get to the end of that 30 days to say like, is it I do I truly not like this. I’m just not good at this, because I gave myself enough time to push through the learning curve? Or is it something that I’m generally like, yeah, like you? I’m like, Yeah, I did this first version of the podcast. Okay. And now I’m gonna do the next thing. I want to keep going with this. So I feel like that is a strategy to help people to hack your brain of how to push through the learning curve, and take that, you know, kind of have that reflection, because I think that’s another thing we don’t do enough of is to reflect to say, Okay, what happened here, because even if you don’t end up going forward, you have learned something about yourself about a new skill about how you work with others. Because a lot of times people think if there’s not a fight, natural reward, or some other tangible reward, it was a waste of time. That is absolutely not true. I’ve learned from every single thing I’ve done.
David Ralph [34:07]
And well, what do you think about the old at 10,000? Our world that it takes that long to become, you know, really, really good at something? Is that an extended journey that people aren’t willing to go for?
Stephen Warley [34:20]
I think that is I mean, again, I’m not a one size fits all guy. if everybody’s not getting that about me right now, I think, I think at the end of the day, if you want to become like a master the top of your field, what I think the 10,000 hour concept is that means you’ve restructured your life to do this, if you’re an Olympic athlete, you’ve restructured your life, everything, every single decision you’ve made in your life is based on getting a gold medal at the Olympics. If you are somebody you want to be wants to be the best artist, you know, you’re restructuring your life to do that. And the question is, is that the sacrifice that you want to make? Or is that how you want to do that? So I think that is kind of your level of honor standing like, Where do I want to be? How much time do you want to put into this, like, personally, I don’t want to work hundred hour weeks, I don’t want to work all the time. I love what I do. But I know this about myself that I need time in nature, I need vacations, I need time with my friends and family. that restores me that actually makes me productive to keep going into this journey. So maybe in my 10th and at 10,000 hours, might take 20 years, but it might take somebody else five does that. Am I making any sense?
David Ralph [35:28]
Yeah, it makes total sense. And I’ve often thought about this. And I think to myself, okay, I have done 1500 podcasts, right? Okay, so that’s basically a 1500 hours. And then I was thinking, the work that goes on behind that I probably could at least triple that I think the amount of time that it takes to get to the point of doing stuff. So I reckon I’ve been working on it about sort of 6000 hours, something like that already. And I thought to myself, first of all, where the hell did I find the time? Where did I find vacuum 6000 hours already, because blow me if you’d asked me at the beginning, I would have sworn blind I didn’t know about sort of time. But this, there’s Netflix to watch. There’s my wife to chase around the house, there’s loads of different things, but you kind of find it. And I think that is where things really come together where you don’t look at the 10,000. You don’t look at the 6000. You just look at the task. And whether money’s coming to you or money’s not coming to you. It makes not a blind bit of difference. It’s just the task. And I always say to people, would you do it for nothing? And more often than not people say No, and I think wrong task, wrong tasks, move on to something, do it for free. What’s up,
Stephen Warley [36:38]
I’m with you. I mean, you have to when you when you do things for money, in my last business, I that business started out of survival. And I had an opportunity and the money came to me very quickly. But at the end of the day, I wasn’t naturally passionate about it. And I couldn’t keep doing the business. I knew I had to shut it down. And this is always been on my mind this is so I’m so passionate about this for this current iteration of this business is still not making the revenues that I know it can one day, but I’m fine with that. I’m looking at the long term. And I’m and I’m always wondering, did I get better this month that I get better since the last six months? Am I better off where I was last year? And if I could keep saying yes, then I know I’m constantly moving in the right direction. I think that’s the other infection that we have in our society, we we look for immediate gratification in the short term. People, you know, want the money without the effort. And, you know, there are scenarios where that works. You know, there’s people making crazy money doing cryptocurrency stuff right now. And people are trying to figure out how to be just like them. And it’s like, that’s not the path to happiness. You know, money, honestly did not make me any happier when I am happiness. It’s when I’m being myself and being myself means how can I do this expression of work that is going to help somebody in the world? And I know that sounds all Whoo. And I would have made fun of myself 10 years 10 years ago for saying that. But it’s true. It’s the truth.
David Ralph [38:01]
So why did you close that business down? Then why didn’t you just sort of say, I’m not going to be operating in it. Other people can do it for me and take take the income.
Stephen Warley [38:10]
We weren’t making enough money at the time. And it was not a financial success. It was a podcast success. I mean, we got into the top 100 of all podcasts on iTunes. My current podcast has not done that. And that’s fine. It’s grown much more organically, authentically. And I’ve been really happy with where it’s going. And the more and also unstoppable started off as this research project, I was really curious about why do more and more people feel stuck. What is that about? And I want to talk to people who got themselves unstuck. And where I came away with that my kind of held up. And my theory is that because we’re seeing such an acceleration of change economically, people are holding on, I always tell people, they’re playing a game, they’re playing a new game by the old rules that they don’t even know that they’re playing. And that stresses you out and it keeps pulling you further and further are out of alignment with who you are as a human and as an individual. So that is where we need to really kind of readjust and bring ourselves back to that place. And you need to kind of we need self reflection, or I’m not sure if you read thank you for being late by Thomas Friedman. But it’s a great book, his premise was all about, you know, things are getting faster and faster. And actually the antidote is we need to stop more often to make sure that we are still running as fast as we can in the right direction. There’s too many of us right now who are running super, super fast. But we have no idea if they’re still running in the right direction.
David Ralph [39:34]
What I love about you, Stephen, there’s so many things I love about you, I feel a deep connection, it’s kind of man is man love coming your way from the United Kingdom. Not least that you look just like Ben Folds. I’ve been wanting to say that all the time. But you You must get that all the time. It’s been like a brain blessed. I get that a lot. Yes, I can imagine you do. And everyone’s googling Ben Folds. Now, Ben Folds, but any. What I love about you is the fact that anything that’s been in your journey is just part of the journey, you don’t see it as success, you don’t see it as failure, you just see it as sort of a learning, adult, whatever. And so I’m stackable wasn’t the right business for you. But you’ve taken those learnings and you’ve moved in. And this won’t be the right thing for you either. There’s going to be a bigger version of it. And you’re okay with that on you. You’re okay with the transition constantly to where you’re going to be?
Stephen Warley [40:28]
Well, that is the gosh, you’re so awesome. I mean, you get me here. This is this is you what you just said it articulated that is what work is it’s no longer this linear step by step thing it is this journey, you have to be open to, you know, I want people to be able to sustain themselves and to be empowered while they do that and to help each other. And if the people that I’m working with keep asking me for to do a certain thing in a different way they think that could Excel, I’m going to change and shift to keep doing that. And really what came out of unstoppable after I blew it up. It was I think four months later, I said, What do I want to do here? What I learned too much not to share this. And I said I want to teach the life skills that matter. And I went so you know, yeah, you probably bought your fair fair share of domains in your life, the domain that you want first is never available, ever. So I went went and I put life skills America com available. And I’m like, Okay, this is what I’m doing. And part of what my tendencies I love literal brands I love when people ask me, like, what are you doing, I teach the life skills that matter. And these are unavoidable skills that we all need to understand that worked 10,000 years ago, that worked in Roman times, that worked all over the world. And they will work 1000 years from now, because that is the essence of being human is understanding these life skills that matter. And the most important one is self awareness, which is never taught to us, it blows my mind, how the only way to, to learn about yourself is through a self awareness. And to be able to call yourself out to understand how it is that you even like to learn, right, we have an entire system that tells us how we have to learn. And that’s why it’s so important to dive into these skills to really feel resilient and, and you know what somebody wants to ask me another podcast, like what is the same and what’s different about the time period that we’re in terms of the economy. Like I said, it’s similar in terms of the Industrial Revolution, a major shift and how people are going to work. But where it’s different is that this is the first time in human history where we are starting to experience exponential growth, it’s no longer linear growth, you can’t just go step one, step two, step three, it’s a lot of zigzagging back steps, ups, downs, all this kind of three dimensional direction, right? And you’re always trying to always stay true to your core. Like, I always tell people, you know, in a world of chaos, now the world of uncertainty, you are the only constant now. And that’s why it’s even more important to really understand where you are going. So that way you can keep intentionally moving toward who you are, what it is, as opportunities come your way as setbacks come your way.
David Ralph [43:05]
And does it accelerate for you? Oh, does it accelerate as in? The more you see people succeed through your platform? Does that make you want to go bigger? Or does it make you want to just go now this isn’t working, let’s protect it
Stephen Warley [43:20]
here. That’s an engineer. I mean, I think I’m very protective of my energy and time I don’t think I’m I already know I have the the wisdom not to get sucked into somebody throwing tons of money at me and say, Alright, we’re going to hire 100 employees, we’re going to have offices in San Francisco and New York and all of a sudden, and get sucked into and creating a prison that I’ve released myself from, I am happy with what I feel like I am part of a movement, I am doing my job. There is not enough people like you and I doing what it is that we do yet to retrain the entire population. That’s what we’re talking about here. So I again, I think that’s a 20th century construct of life, I have to be the big, huge corporation to solve this problem. I look at it in the The next way. And the next future of work is like I’m part of a interconnected system. And I hope that it’s almost like how coders think, you know, there are having open open software, how their constant contributing to each other. And they’re doing it in a community effort. That is where my brain has gone.
David Ralph [44:26]
And is it a brain that scares you? Does it frighten you? Did you look at it and think, hang on this? This wasn’t who I was five years ago, 10 years ago? I’m not actually sure. Well, I am because I found found myself slightly disconnected with the person that I used to be at certain times, until I’ve kind of greed, drag that body up and joined. Again, I know that sounds weird. But for a while, I just felt like I’d left part myself behind. But I’ve been actually I realized, Oh, I don’t need to leave that person behind. I he’s got skills that I want, I can bring it with me if that makes sense.
Stephen Warley [44:59]
Totally failure. And I think it’s the biggest mistake people make. I think when you’re wanting to do a big change in your life, you think that you have to get rid of the past. And it’s a huge mistake, because you still have all those learnings, all that experience that have gotten to this point that you are going to draw upon to go to the next phase. And I always say like, you know, working for yourself is not just changing your work, or changing how you work. And I think sometimes like is that does it scare you? Sometimes I’m like, Oh, my gosh, I have changed a lot. Like I was joking about how that person 10 years ago would have laughed at me. But there’s still I think also at the same time, I’m getting a refinement, like my core pillars of happiness, the core roots of who I am, are growing and getting deeper. And that’s what keeps me connected throughout all parts of my life. And I mean, you’re sitting there in your garden, I am a gardener, I love gardening, I do all this mental work all the time that I need to do gardening. I know it sounds crazy, I need to do physical labor to reconnect with land on the earth and my hands. And that’s what keeps me balanced. As I’m thinking about all this very overwhelming stuff. I mean, for somebody like myself who’s doing this every day. I mean, if you’re listening to me right out, you’re like, Oh my gosh, this guy’s so overwhelming me. Well, I’m just equally overwhelmed. I, my job is I’m trying to make sense of this. And how do I break this down and simple concepts and plain English? Yeah, as it is tiring, isn’t it? I I find the brain.
David Ralph [46:29]
The brain is the hardest thing. I think about things. But I don’t need to think about I think about things at times, I don’t need to think about first three years of join up dots I’m a bit better now. I could have watched any film. And I wouldn’t have heard a word of it. My brain was just totally churning all the time. And exhausted me I had to actually reclaim went back to the very beginning of the show. I suppose we had to reclaim energy again.
Stephen Warley [46:54]
Yeah, I actually this is a workshop in Washington.
It’s interesting, because the it’s about getting thoughts out of your head actually had them as said, I want you to write down as many questions you have about working for yourself as possible, put on these posted notes. And they put them all over the wall. And so that’s what’s going on inside your head visually, like all that stuff. And if you just keep letting all these questions fester in your head, it is going to paralyze you. So what you need to do and I think this is great exercise for anybody right now is like, just get out paper have a screen? What do you want to do? Just keep writing as many questions as you have, I don’t care how crazy they are. They don’t have to be really business. He just whatever you think and you feel. And then the next step is starting to realize what are the patterns trends? How do I organize these questions, interest into themes? What are the ones related to money? What are the ones related to my identity? What are the ones related to my business idea? And then and then you’re then you’re going to look at each one of those buckets, and look at one of those questions and say, well, where am I going to find the answer to this? Is it just gonna be a quick Google search? I have to read a book, should I ask somebody? Do I do an experiment. And really, I would say that one exercise is how I manage my energy and how am I manage my brain and how I manage my work.
David Ralph [48:09]
powerful stuff? Well, we’re going to play the words now of the late Steve Jobs who created so much in his life, not least join up dots here we go.
Steve Jobs [48:19]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [48:54]
And set in a different way. Stephen is exactly as you were saying. But all the clues are there in our life, every die leads to another doc that leads us forward, we’ve just got to look back and had the faith that we’re in the right position. And I can’t see how we’re not in the right position. Because every experience has got us to that point when we’ve got to make that decision to move in that direction.
Stephen Warley [49:17]
Yeah, and I would just add, I, I do believe we can have more awareness of the dots coming up before us. But again, we are not taught a self awareness practice early in our lives. And one of the first things you can do to practice self awareness is start recognizing your reactions, your strongest reactions, positive or negative to start observing, like you have these behaviors, don’t judge yourself. It just happens. just recognize it. And also, if you don’t have some sort of writing habit, I would suggest doing that actually have a daily growth journal where ask people for questions to answer four questions. Every day, I learned something about myself today. I learned something about my my craft my skill that I really want to learn something I want to master. Did I create some thing today? Did I connect with somebody today? And I think that’s where you can start bringing awareness and start really knowing that energy like ooh, like generally getting excited about this? Am I getting other people excited about that. So I think we can maybe not have like, Oh, I see the coming up in a year. But you can start bringing some more awareness about it in the moment like this, something about this feels right to me, and I’m going to trust and I’m going to go for it. And I think that’s what we need to start teaching people so that we can make more effective use of these emerging dots in our lives.
David Ralph [50:33]
You know, at this point, I normally say to people, looking back over your life, what was your big moment they got you here? I don’t think it’s the right question to ask you, Steven, because I don’t think that there has been a big moment. I think your big moment is never going to be realized somehow, it’s going to be a collection of tiny little micro dots about I’ve just led you to where you are,
Stephen Warley [50:57]
which, oh my gosh, I feel like you’re just gave me such a sense of inner peace. I love I love looking at my life in that way. Because it is I always tell people, I feel like I’m just collecting all these different puzzle pieces. And sometimes the ones that don’t fit in right away, I kind of put them off to the side. And then maybe years later, oh my gosh, here it is again. And now it now you’re ready for that. And, and just being okay with it.
David Ralph [51:21]
I always say to people, no matter what you do, whether it’s success or failure, it’s all money in the bank. You know, I have been doing this for four years now. And I have got so much content that didn’t work, or wasn’t right, or I thought would work or whatever. I’ve got videos, I’ve got podcast episodes, I’ve got members, podcast episodes, I’ve got so much stuff. And I always say to them, it’s going to be right, sometime, there’s going to be a time that I’m gonna go, Oh, I need that. And I look back on it. It just wasn’t right there. And that gives me so much peace, that I haven’t wasted anything. I’ve just been building all the future.
Stephen Warley [52:00]
And it’s trusting in that there’s other parts of your brain that are working, we always think we’re going to think our way out of everything that’s just one part of your brain, then there’s this whole subconscious. And that’s why I’m a big believer in self awareness and writing out your thoughts. So you can start seeing patterns and trends. And I call it sometimes I call it my back office brain, like as an example that sometimes, you know, I’m really stuck on something, I can’t figure it out. I haven’t I have a stronger awareness now to say you know what, leave it until tomorrow morning. And I bet you’ll have a much better chance at figuring this out or taking another step forward. And I I literally sleep on it. And it’s amazing. I just think it’s like magic. And I wake up in the morning and one of the first thoughts in my head is like I have an idea of a solution or what I could do for that thing that was had me so deeply stuck. Earlier in the day. And earlier in my life, I would have been like most people would have been like, I gotta figure this out and spent hours on end tortured myself and still not gotten anywhere. I almost made it worse and harder to find the answer.
David Ralph [52:55]
Yeah, perfect, perfect stuff. Well wait on now at the part of the show that we Colver sermon on the mic when we’re going to send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young Stephen, what age would you choose him? What advice would you like to give him? Well, we’re going to find out because I’m going to play the theme. And when it fades you up, this is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [53:23]
We go with the best of the show.
Stephen Warley [53:41]
I am going to talk to Stephen who is age 20. And he had an L sat book sitting on his lap because they thought he wanted to be a lawyer. And one of his friends told him about an opportunity to become an intern at the david letterman show. And I applied for it. He and I did not get the internship, I did get an interview. But it was the first time in my life where something came to me. And I had a feeling about it. And I went for it. I was so convinced I was going to be a lawyer. And then this opportunity came along that was totally out of the realm of what I thought I was going to do. But I listened to myself, and I took action on it. And when you, Stephen, when that happens, you have to pay attention to those moments. Those are the most important moments in life, you’re not gonna be able to think your way of everything. Feelings are not going to be the only solution either. But it’s that marriage of recognizing, being aware of those feelings of those moments where like, there’s something here, I don’t, I’m not quite sure but i want i need to do some more investigation into this. Keep leaning into that. Even if everyone around you says you’re crazy, you shouldn’t do it. At the end of the day, the most important piece of advice I can give to you that is going to make your life even more full. You gotta listen to yourself. You gotta trust in yourself. And you got to know for yourself AlphaGo stuff.
David Ralph [55:05]
Stephen, what is the number one best way that our audience can connect with you sir?
Stephen Warley [55:11]
I would say start with going to life skills america.com slash get started. And are you ready for my like three words the very beginning of your podcast you go from? It’s possible you can work for yourself
David Ralph [55:22]
as more than three words.
Stephen Warley [55:24]
It is can I be? It’s possible.
David Ralph [55:26]
That’s two words. Go for free. Go for free. Get your brain working.
Stephen Warley [55:34]
I always say mike mike my tagline. It’s possible because most people don’t believe it’s possible for themselves. So
David Ralph [55:40]
what about doc make it possible?
Stephen Warley [55:42]
Yeah, make it possible. There we go. There we go. We pick a possible we’ve come together like that make it possible.
David Ralph [55:48]
Warley and Ralph come together.
Stephen Warley [55:50]
I like I like that we collaborate and that was fun.
David Ralph [55:52]
That’s the way that we should do it across the pond. You send Trump this way. We’re send out one that way. And we’ll see what that we can do. Or the two of us just joined forces and see what happens.
Stephen Warley [56:07]
I like that plan better. Let’s come up with something because I interact with a lot of your country. Man. I’m so excited for a lot of the folks there in the UK who are thinking about working for themselves and really cool people today.
David Ralph [56:20]
Well, Stephen, thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining up those dots. Please come back again when you’ve got more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Mr. Steven Wally, thank you so much.
Stephen Warley [56:35]
Thank you, and I need to have you on my show. I really appreciate this awesome conversation.
David Ralph [56:40]
Mr. Stephen Warley. Now that we had terrible internet connection with that there was a huge delay back and forth, back and forth. So there wasn’t much of me chipping in and him chiming in while the other person was speaking. But um, hopefully, hopefully you got the content that you wanted from there, because it was all about knowing yourself, being aware, knowing what you can bring to the world, not what you should bring to the world, what you can bring to the world, and then let it move to where it should be. Because the world is waiting for you. It really is it’s waiting for your talents is waiting for your skills. And it doesn’t matter if your teacher or your boss or whatever thinks that you are a complete waste of space. And you could do better if you paid attention and all those kind of things. You’ve got a talent in you and it’s your God given one which is being fine tuned. Every Breath You Take every move you make. There you go staying you can ask that one. Until next time. Thank you so much Mr. Warley and thank you so much for everybody else who listens to join up dots please share with your friends. And until next time, I’ll see you again
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