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Introducing Huzefa Kapadia
He is a man who from an early age knew what he wanted and had a dream to achieve it.
Buying into the corporate vision of the big cars, medical cover, and the big office with the PA and secretary working overtime to support him, he started studying to be a lawyer.
That was his dream.
Huzefa Kapadia joined up with all the other eager and soon to be rich and successful lawyers, and for the next seven years followed the path that he had created for himself.
He was a man on a mission.
How The Dots Joined Up For Huzefa
But what happens when that mission turns out to be the wrong one?
What happens when you realise that the passions inside you screaming to get out are not aligned with the day to day life you have built for yourself?
Well that happened to our Huzefa Kapadia, after a travelling sabbatical in 2013, when he came to the realisation that he wanted out of the legal rat race, and instead find the thing that lights him up inside.
So what was the path that he selected for himself?
And why did the legal rat race not turn out to be the path to gold that he had imagined it was going to be?
Well let’s bring onto the show to start joining up dots, as we discuss the words of Steve Jobs with the one and only Huzefa Kapadia is an attorney turned entrepreneur and travel aficionado. He is the owner and founder of Scalar Learning LLC, an education services compan
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Huzefa Kapadia such as:
How he was always having big ideas, but never saw them through to fruition….until now!
How he totally believes that you need to change your social group to be able to find true success!
“If you leave your job or change relationships its not going to kill you”…….how true is that!
How he would sit in room as a child creating stories and characters in his head, leading to his achievement of co-writing his first book!
How his parents were so reluctant for their son to make the leap of faith away from a solid career of achievement!
How it was a stint on jury service that so seduced him to the world of being a lawyer…and blames Hollywood for making it seem sexy!
Links to his book
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Audio Transcription Of Huzefa Kapadia Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Good morning, everybody. Good morning to Episode 87 of Join Up Dots. It’s getting big time. Now, the listeners are absolutely exploding. And I really say this, you know, most shows, thank you so much, because without the listeners, we ain’t got a show. And on the show today, we’ve actually got somebody who was a listener, and is now a guest, which is amazing, I can’t believe it. He’s actually come through to us and said, Would you mind if I come on the show and we checked into his background and he is a perfect fit. So if you you are out there and you are an action taker, a mover a shaker, a zig and zag. And you’ve got a storey or a leap of faith or something just simply inspirational. Ben, drop us a line like this guy did, and we will get you on air. So little bit, little bit of fame for you. And you can share it to all your friends. But they he was famous. So let’s introduce you to today’s guest. He is somebody who knew what he wanted and had a dream to achieve it buying into the corporate vision of the big cars medical cover, and the big office with the PA and Secretary working overtime to support him. He started studying to be a lawyer. That was his dream. He joined up with all the other eager and soon to be rich and successful lawyers. And for the next seven years, followed the path that he had created for himself. He was a man on a mission. But what happens when that mission turns out to be the wrong one? What happens when you realise that the passions inside you screaming to get out and not aligned with the day to day life? You built for yourself? What happened to our guest after a travelling sabbatical in 2013, when he came to the realisation that he wanted out of the legal rat race, and instead find nothing that lights him up inside? So what was the path that he selected for himself? And why did the legal rat race not turn out to be the path to gold, but he had imagined it was going to be? Well, let’s find out as we bring onto the show, to find out how he made that transition. And of course to Join Up Dots of his life, the one and only Huzefa Kapadia. How are you sir?
Huzefa Kapadia [2:29]
I’m terrific. How are you?
David Ralph [2:31]
Well, you say you’re terrific. But you were saying to me you’re a little bit under the weather today.
Huzefa Kapadia [2:36]
Well, let me put it this way. I might be a little bit under the weather. But I’m extremely excited to be on the show. So overall, I’m doing great.
David Ralph [2:43]
Well, if anything can sort of get that blood pumping through and make you I tell you what, by the time we did shows ended, you’ll be out drinking beers and dancing and karaoke. That’s, that’s what Join Up Dots does to you.
Huzefa Kapadia [2:56]
Well, that and also is Fourth of July. So we do have a large barbecue place today in Vegas. But yes, also, the Join Up Dots is going to get the blood flowing, I’m sure. Absolutely.
David Ralph [3:05]
So is that where you? Are you at the moment like Las Vegas?
Huzefa Kapadia [3:09]
Yes, yes, I’ve been in Las Vegas for the last three and a half weeks. And it’s sort of again, so you mentioned again, my sabbatical last year where I travelled and commingled with a number of entrepreneurs. And that’s what kind of got me on the path. Now. It’s essentially I’m here for the same thing. Kind of a similar type of gathering of all these like minded people who want to break the mould and do different things. So we come here usually it’s kind of becoming a tradition will probably come here again next year, and so on and so forth. So that’s what I’m back for.
David Ralph [3:41]
So do you I always say this, anyone who mentions Las Vegas? There are two words that come out of my mouth. Barry Manilow, are you going to see the man himself?
Huzefa Kapadia [3:52]
Sadly, now, you know, it’s interesting. I’ve been to Vegas many, many times, especially since I moved to Los Angeles two and a half years ago, it’s only about got a four and a half hour drive. And I’ve never seen the show here. And I rarely gamble. So those are two big things that people like to do when they come here. Honestly, what we do is we usually have a big group of friends we hang out, we do like to go clubbing a lot. And the nightlife is quite good. So that’s that’s kind of what we have on the agenda, usually,
David Ralph [4:19]
I think because I’ve been to Vegas, and I must admit, I didn’t like it. Now, hopefully, we’ve got no listeners here from Vegas. And I know we have so apologies, Vegas, I’m sure is lovely in many shapes and forms. But it just didn’t do anything. For me. I just, I found it kind of lifeless, exciting, but lifeless. I went to a show at the MGM Grand and we saw Jay Leno. And very, very funny you didn’t do any sort of musical things. But after sort of a day of going into Caesars Palace, and some of the other ones. I felt like I’ve done it, maybe maybe I didn’t give it its full flow over me and I should have showered in Las Vegas. But um, yeah, I was ready to move on.
Huzefa Kapadia [5:00]
So I can only speak from my perspective. And as far as the things that I like to do now I actually understand what you’re saying, My best friend isn’t a big fan of Vegas for similar reasons, not for me. Like I said, I look at it as a great place to meet up with a lot of my friends. We don’t gamble we do. We don’t do a lot of the normal things. But as far as the nightlife, the nightlife is really phenomenal. And especially when we stay here for long periods of time, what happens is you start you have such a turnover in Vegas, as far as the the crowd and the people that are here, because it’s visitors that are constantly cycling in and out. It’s an awesome opportunity to meet lots of different people in a short span of time. So that’s why I like it. But I completely understand why why you kind of felt that way.
David Ralph [5:42]
So did you thrive on the sort of personal networking that you were talking about, then?
Huzefa Kapadia [5:49]
110% Okay, so
what happened is, for me, is one of the main catalyst for eventually having the courage to break away, was being exposed to a number of people who had done incredible things and, and also that we had formed friendships. And then they pulled me aside and said, Look, you can do this, we know you can do this, stopping afraid and and just go for it. And after sort of a couple months of hearing this over and over. It built me up to the point where I said, well, kind of two things. One, all right, you’re right, I can do this. And too, I really want to do this. And that was and that was the biggest catalyst. So I often tell people who are struggling with the decision, especially lawyers, is you need to change your social circle to some extent, once if you keep hanging out with the same people that do similar things as you, they will consciously or subconsciously sort of dissuade you from doing it and make it feel much, much riskier.
David Ralph [6:47]
I totally agree with that. And I think every single guest who has been on the show talks about their peer group, and surrounding yourself. And we always quote Jim Rome, and he was the classic one who said you are the average of the people that you surround yourself with. But it is so absolutely true. And I sacked a lot of my mates. But when I looked at them, I realised they were taking my time, but they weren’t giving anything back to me. And they were the ones that was actually anchoring me to where I was. And it wasn’t actually where I wanted to be. So you got to be very careful with it. And I want all the listeners out there to realise we’re not going sort of healthful ever and getting you to change your life. But just be aware, if you’re surrounded by people who are, you know, Misery, guts and moaning on a constant basis, it’s very hard, but you’re not going to be sort of moaning, change it on its head, and then be surrounded by positive people or people doing stuff, which is inspirational. And little by little you start to realise, hang on, if they’re doing it, why can’t I just as a guest is saying today?
Huzefa Kapadia [7:51]
Exactly. And another quick expression I want to throw in is take advice from people who are living the life that you want to live. And this this isn’t the same that you need to cut your your old social circle free necessarily. What is it like a good example I can give is I had a really close partner mentor at my old firm who I mean, I almost look up to her as an older sister. And she I know when I was first making this decision, she was giving me really good advice. But I remember her telling me that she thought it was quite risky, and perhaps not a good move. Now. It was great perspective. But the thing, eventually what I realised was it she was she was in that other world that I was trying to get out of. And so from her perspective, absolutely, she was given me terrific advice. But it wasn’t the right advice for me. And that’s what I eventually realised,
David Ralph [8:39]
well, we aren’t going to go back in time and and join up your dots and look at your leap of faith. But can you think of the best advice that you’ve been given? But literally on a daily basis, you think to yourself? Yes, I still buy into that it surprised me at the time, but every single day, it shows itself to be more true.
Huzefa Kapadia [9:00]
Okay, well, as I began, let me because let me tell you, the last year has been filled with ups and downs. So the best piece of advice I can give, well, one of the best pieces, right, is to always keep going you the way to look at it as you sort of begin. So let’s say whatever whatever type of business you want to build, or whatever life you’re trying to manufacture, just keep on moving forward, and stay true to whatever process you have designed. And as long as you keep going. So for me, I had some struggles early on trying to try to start the business that I’m currently working on. I had some concerns, but I just I once I stayed dedicated to that process, as I had been told over and over, eventually, I started to see a light at the end of the tunnel. And then thing and then more ideas come in. And the vision starts to change and mould based on my experiences and and as long as you have that confidence that things will eventually work out. It’s not so bad as on it’s actually really, really fun.
David Ralph [10:02]
It’s the thing that makes life invigorating. And it’s the thing that actually pushes you out of your comfort zone and allows you to grow, isn’t it?
Huzefa Kapadia [10:10]
Absolutely. I had. So when you talk about being invigorating and exciting, it’s okay, I had somebody every now and then I’ll have people from law school or whatever say, Well, do you regret what you’ve done? Do you regret do it? Do you ever wish, like go back? Well, first of all, I mean, I could go back if I wanted to. But I tell them unequivocably I would never go back Not in a million years. And it has nothing to do with financial gains. Because I mean, at this point, right, I’m making substantially less than I was as an attorney. But it’s it’s completely almost irrelevant for two reasons. One, I’m, it’s it’s really hard to even compare my happiness or my overall satisfaction levels. Because a lot of times the way I describe it to my friends, is I feel now as though I’m awake. And I wasn’t before, if that makes sense. And the second thing is that I am I really do have strong a confidence that things will work out financially, eventually, as well, as long as I keep grinding and keep pushing. So it’s not even, it’s not even a concern in the slightest bit. Don’t even think about it anymore, I did at the onset of my quest. But now it’s completely gone.
David Ralph [11:18]
Because you love the task you love the passion is the process that you love, isn’t it, it’s like me doing this. I took a big hit on my salary to do this. But it was something that was screaming at me had to come out. And actually today I’m in discussions with a major sponsor for the show. And it’s going to be coaching time. But actually, there’s a part of me that kind of doesn’t really want to do that, I am going to do that, because I’ve got to pay the bills is the process of actually doing the show, which is the most important thing for me, and not actually a salary. So what you’re saying there is absolutely spot on. And the listeners as well, if you’re in a job that you don’t like that is paying money to you, you can take quite consumed with central go ahead and stay on that hit for quite a while, by not going out as much, you know, cancelling Netflix and all the kind of things where our money goes. And little by little by hustling opportunities come your way, and vain you’re up and running.
Huzefa Kapadia [12:19]
That’s right, you just made me think of another really awesome and simple piece of advice that I got from one of my closest friends. If you leave your job and you change your life, you’re not going to die. And this was a really this is a a really interesting thing that he had told me because what happens is, it’s it’s a similar type of feeling that you get even let’s say, when you’re when you’re breaking up with somebody, or you’re leaving something behind, you get this horrible, horrible sense of fear and concern and stress. And what we’ve decided is what we’ve the way we’ve kind of looked at it is, is these stressors like let’s say leaving somebody or let’s say breaking away from high paying job can almost be akin to maybe what you would feel had felt 1020 30,000 years ago, when you’re living in smaller tribes and breaking away from that tribe, or breaking away from your mate. Those types of actions would have almost certainly lead to demise would lead to death. So those were big, major decisions, and they would rightfully so cause a lot of stress and anxiety. Well, today, we those triggers are still hit by these decisions. But the consequences are completely different. And I think that’s a big reason why we have these may these fear sensors just go off big time as as we’re kind of looking at it through that lens. And that’s just a vestige of our past. But the bottom line is, if you’re a reasonably smart, motivated person, I mean, you do have to be motivated. And you can’t really get around that I think you do have to be pretty motivated and relatively hard working to see this through. But if you have those those basic components, you’re going to be okay, as long as you keep moving,
David Ralph [14:00]
flex your hustle muscle, that’s what it’s all about. Did you know my greatest quote and I love this quote. And a lot of people you know, quote, Steve Jobs and all those kind of things. And yeah, they’re good, you know, I placed a whole show about Steve Jobs quote, but my favourite quote of all time, is from Rocky Balboa, when he says in Rocky six, Rocky Balboa, the last one, life’s not about how hard of hits you can give is about how many you can take and still keep moving forward. And and when I saw that in the film, it was like, Oh, it was it was like an epiphany. And I thought, That’s absolutely right. Life is not about how hard of a hit you can give is about how many you can take and still keep moving forward. And certainly when you take a leap of faith and you change your career, there’s going to be a transitional period when it’s all over the shop, and you aren’t going to get hit in the face numerous times. But when you start moving through, I always class it as when you go through the speaker sound barrier. And the plane is income air suddenly gets all shaky, shaky, shaky, and then it goes through and it goes even faster. And that’s what I class but transition all about. What What do you think?
Huzefa Kapadia [15:09]
No, absolutely. And okay, so that made me think of a couple things. Okay, first of all. Another thing related to this, another again, now this has given me a third piece of advice that I want to give out. When when I took when I began to start to this is probably a year before I actually took the leap when I began to start thinking okay, law was big law was was a mistake. Now I need to figure out where to go. I started reading all these books, books on lawyers who want to leave their careers, how to figure out your right career. So I, I was convinced that what I needed to do before I took the leap was to study it to death to the point where I had this perfectly crafted career laid out and I was going to go to it and then everything was going to work out perfectly. Well, it doesn’t exactly work like that. And I did read a book that actually talked upon that called the unhappy lawyer. And in that book, the author, the advice of the author, which at the time I dismissed was, you find a perfect career just like you find everything else that you like, and it’s by experimentation. So you just have to go out and start trying things and eventually whittle down to what you really like, or what’s a good fit. And I think that’s so cool. And, and honestly, I remember reading that for the first time. And that seems super scary, and super risky. But at the end of the day, it’s probably the only way and the best way to proceed. And now I’m seeing it from the other side. And Mike, my vision when I started out is already shifting and has already shifted substantially. I mean, I’ve played to take on all sorts of different projects now as a main part of what I do, which I didn’t even envision when I first left. And it’s an and it just kind of came about but by trying a bunch of different things.
David Ralph [16:53]
Just before we jumped back and we actually sort of look at but the big daughters we call in Join Up Dots that their moment when you decided I’ve had enough, my seven years in law school on the legal rat race, come to an end, I was recording a show last night which is going to go out a your Episode 87 is going to come out in three days time. And it’s Episode 90. And it was a lady who is living in Los Angeles. And she is a Reiki Master and she is a life coach. And she’s all about bringing positivity into people’s lives. And she was actually at legal school, she was a lawyer, trainee lawyer, litigator, and she used to get terrible stomach pains all the time, all the time. And when she went to the doctors, he said, you’re basically allergic to legal school, it’s not doing you Good going there. It’s too stressful. And she kind of just ignored it. And she did some yoga practices, and it ease the pain. But then her big dot and it ties up with your storey is she suddenly had an appendicitis. And she got rushed into hospital. And it was sort of near death situation, it was a real bad one. And afterwards, the doctor said to her, you’re going to be off work for 30 days, instead of focusing in on the pain, she just thought, thank God, I don’t have to go to work for 30 days. And when the other lawyers sort of turned up, they all surrounded her on the bed. And they were all kind of going, Oh, what operation can I have not to go into the legal rat race and stuff. And so it was amazing storey that these people who were following a path, which looked glamorous, looked lucrative, and quite often were part of their parents or their grandparents or sort of other close knit relatives. Actually, when they got into it, they thought this isn’t for them. But she was brave enough to do something about it as you are. And that’s where I want to come on to now I want to come on to your big dot, was it a moment another an epiphany? Or was it just a series of little dots that joined into that big one where you went, my path has to change.
Huzefa Kapadia [18:55]
It was a series of let me put it Okay, it wasn’t that definitely a series of little dots. But I can tell you the big moment where everything kind of came together. So again, going back to the to the sabbatical and sort of group travel that I embarked upon it was it was constantly being bombarded by just a lot of really positive encouragement from all these incredible people who had done amazing things and had left behind, quote unquote, high value corporate positions, to do something what they wanted to do and break out of the mould. So hearing that it sort of it was happening without me even being really fully aware of what was happening. But eventually my confidence and my car just kept building and building and building now, at the end of the summer, I come back and I remember I was going on a trip with my family and I had I had a new job that was waiting for me at a new firm. Okay, so in order to take a sabbatical, I actually had to leave my old firm because I ran the idea by and they, they weren’t too keen on it. So I, I actually found another job. Then I left my old firm, I travelled and my new position was going to supposed to start September 2 or September 3 of 2013 2013. Okay, so then I come back and I remember going I was in Belize with my family. We were like snorkelling, and scuba diving and stuff like that. And I, I finally said, in my family’s and traditional Indian family, this type of stuff that I’m doing now, typically does not really fly. But I said, Okay, I need to at least I need to at least bring up the subject that I’m probably not going to do this. Because now I said, Okay, I don’t think I want to do this anymore. And I think I want to do my own thing. So I brought it up to my dad, and I started talking to my parents, and they were really against it really, really against it. And even the night before I was supposed to start my position in LA, I call my dad, I said, I don’t think I’m going to go in I’m just going to tell them I can’t do it. I want to I want to start something on my own. Can I just
David Ralph [20:51]
can I just why was it that your parents were so against it? Was it because of the sort of the the Asian families live they kids to go into this or becoming a doctor or a sort of legal thing? Was it back kind of issue?
Huzefa Kapadia [21:06]
Okay, if I had to? My opinion of it is it’s a couple different things. One I do I mean, my parents are just typically quite risk averse. And this is sort of common amongst our culture, not not to, of course, that’s a generalisation. But they’re just risk averse in general. And they saw me take on a really, quote unquote, prestigious profession where I was making really good money. And they wanted me to have that stability. There is some outside pressures while the Indians community, I mean, what so my parents would probably say, no, this had nothing to do with it. But But this comes in and all sorts of different ways. It’s sort of the way that the community views, the families and children and adults and what they’re doing. And I know that this also has maybe some subconscious part in that feeling for them, like, Oh, my God, what’s everybody going to say? Leaving law, he’s leaving this this lucrative career to do what he wants to start his own thing. So I think I think all these things played a part. And in my dad’s mind, what he kept telling me was just give it time, give it time, and it’ll eventually really start to feel good. And then I just an end. And I remember he said, one of the things to me, he said, by the way, you go on and you do this, you’re not wasting any time because all this is valuable experience that you’re getting. That’s true. And I remember. Well, it’s it’s true to an extent because everything has diminishing returns after a while, right? So we like, it’s a good way to look at things we’re in a situation that you can’t get out of, you can try and milk out the positive things but but different experiences have different different amounts of value that they offer. So for example, yes, I could have stayed in LA for 10 years, and I would have gained something from it. That’s absolutely true. But the amount of value that I can now grab from what I’m doing now is immeasurably greater, in my opinion, especially the last year 10 months that I’ve had got, I mean, the amount that I’ve learned the amount that I’ve grown, it’s just the what would have happened if I would have stayed in law would have completely paled in comparison. So yes, it’s not it’s not bad advice that my dad gave me. But I eventually realised that okay, well, that’s true with anything. You can you can you can gain experience and insight from anything you do, but I want to do something, I can maximise that.
David Ralph [23:28]
So So what was it about the legal profession after seven years? Because obviously, you went into it with all the passion in the world. But what was it that actually turned sour for you?
Huzefa Kapadia [23:39]
law is a very interesting beast, because what happens is a lot of people, especially in the States, tend to go into it with with imperfect information. And, and part of the reason why that is, is because of the media. And because of the way it’s glamorised in Hollywood, and so on and so forth. For me, what happened is, the reason why I first went into it is I actually set jury duty for a medical malpractice case. And I found a really fascinating juries. And trials themselves are quite interesting. I love speaking in public. And when I listened to the attorneys present the case and give their perspectives and I saw how it unfolded, I thought it was really intriguing. And I said I could do that I could get up and talk to a jury and give give these great speeches. And I think I can interrogate witnesses as perfect. I want to give it a shot, did some research, went to law school, that law school, I absolutely loved it. It’s really interesting to see how the laws have developed and how how all these different cases have have changed the course of common law, I found that really fascinating. Big law, however, was not what I kind of expected it to be now Yes, you have you make really good money, you get to do all these really cool things. And you get flown around a bit. So there’s these little things that I I initially thought, wow, this is cool, I made it. But it’s the day to day that that sort of is disappointing. Now also for magazine wrote an article I think six months or something ago, maybe a year ago now about the unhappiest jobs, and big law associate was number one. And the reason why that is is because of the type of work that you do as a big law attorney, you’re, you’re basically stuck in your office, pretty much 95% of the time, you’re doing a lot of reading, which I do love reading things that I enjoy. But the type of legal reading that you do is it’s just really bad. And you’re looking for these little nuances little details you’re doing. You know, you’re reviewing case law. And to me, it’s just not, it’s just not fun. The type of writing you do isn’t fun. I love to write with the passion. I just finished my first book a few weeks ago, and it’s That to me is so much fun just sitting in my room and writing even though I love social content, but the type of writing we were doing is just it’s just not fun. It’s a lot of boilerplate language, you’re using exemplars from prior cases and moulding things that are just it’s just not interesting to me, even though at it from a from far back patent law, which is what I practice this law related to new technologies. I thought it sounded cool. The nitty gritty wasn’t fun.
David Ralph [26:05]
Let’s play you a speech. I kind of pre warned you that I was going to play this speech at the beginning because this is Jim Carrey, but you haven’t heard this. But I’m going to play it now to you because I think this is everything about what you were just speaking about. Jim Carrey,
Jim Carrey [26:20]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [26:46]
Now that is bottom for you, isn’t it?
Huzefa Kapadia [26:50]
Absolutely. And this is so interesting, because I didn’t know you were gonna play that. But we one of my friends had just played that for me last week. They just brought that up and play that for so interesting. Yeah, it’s a great quote,
David Ralph [27:02]
it’s one of those quotes, I think they should last forever. Because it is so spot on, like the words of Steve Jobs that we’re just going to play. And like the words from Rocky for me, they are, you know, just snapshots of truth. But they inspire me just by looking at them. And when I first heard Jim Carrey savour, I was amazed, because I was expecting this 26 minute speech, or he did was just play for laughs. And he did a brilliant job as you hopefully you’ve seen all of it, he did play it for laughs, which you would expect. But he came out with someone when he’s like that. And I think that is one of the best ones I’ve ever heard. Yes, you can fail at something you don’t love. So you might as well take a chance on something keat do. I hope everyone listens to that and really thinks about that. And if you are in a situation, as as we’ve been saying all the way through this show, it doesn’t kill you to change it, you’re not going to die. If you change, you’re not going to die if you leave your boyfriend, or your girlfriend or whatever. It is up to you to create your own reality, just like Lucifer is doing at the moment. So can you tell us about your book that you’ve just written? Because I’m fascinated about that?
Huzefa Kapadia [28:15]
Yes, absolutely. And by the way, through this process, I know for a fact that writing books is now going to be a big part of my life. So this is hopefully the first of many to come. The book I’ve written. I’ve co written with one of my best friends. Yes, for rivers. It’s called get paid for your pad. And it’s all about it’s kind of it’s kind of a how to book on how to use Airbnb. Are you familiar with Airbnb? No,
David Ralph [28:41]
no idea what you’re talking about.
Huzefa Kapadia [28:43]
Okay, so Okay, let me give you an explanation. Airbnb is the biggest company in what’s called the short stay rental market. What they do is they connect people who are travelling with people who are renting out their homes in various cities across the globe. And now they spread to over 190 countries in the world. So they’re pretty much everywhere. And it allows people to directly rent out their homes to travellers. And and it’s really, really incredible because it’s an alternative to renting out a hotel. Usually the the guests will get a much cheaper deal than at a hotel unless you’re really going for something extravagant. On top of that, you get all these amazing benefits. Like for example of we’re actually renting a house on Airbnb, right now in Las Vegas, we have a huge house, we have a full kitchen, awesome basement pool table, we’re a little bit off the strip, but it’s so much more comfortable and relaxing. Plus, we get the benefit from the inside of our host who’s a local. So there’s all these great benefits. So what we we wrote this book, not for the guests were looking for a place, but for the hosts who are homeowners who are looking to rent out their homes. And the reason why, why we wrote this. So the reason why I asked for it was naspers inspiration He brought me on because of my writing ability. But he had this break, because he saw what was happening with him, he used to rent out his place on a fixed term basis, which is a year at a time. And he was making around $24,000 a year, when he finally started seeing how much people how much money people were making on Airbnb. And he switched over. And after he worked out the kinks and figured out the system, his income went from 24,000 to $60,000 per year with his apartment and he has a two bedroom flat and Amsterdam. So after learning all these different these different ways to up the ante as far as his customer service and the way he listed his property, he said I’ve learned so much I want to write a book and want to share with the world do you want to help me and I jumped at the opportunity. And so it took us about from for me actually once I took over as far as he gave me kind of like the the core book that he had written as far as all the facts, and then I took it and I just completely rewrote everything in my own word with my own voice. And that took about three months. So starting from February and then we designer did everything ourselves. And finally it actually just went on sale on July. Let me think for a second on June 30.
David Ralph [31:08]
So and you can get it to Amazon and stuff, can you you can
Huzefa Kapadia [31:11]
not yet right now we’re selling it through Clickbank, the way you can get it is if you go to WWW dot get paid for your pad calm. And they’re actually you can also sign up for our mailing list. And once you go there you can you can buy purchase the book, and you can just download a PDF,
David Ralph [31:29]
where we will put the links on the show notes for that, because that sounds fascinating. And it leads me to my next question really, because you are Mr. Passion, you are so passionate is untrue. And I can just hear it coming out of you. And especially when you’re talking about writing, when you were a little lad a sort of, you know, a five year old eight year old 10 year old Did you used to spend a lot of time writing creative storeys and little towels.
Huzefa Kapadia [31:53]
Okay, so it’s actually interesting when I was younger, as far as the creative storeys, okay, I can talk about a lot of different things right now. But what I would do instead is I still do this to some extent, as a lot of times I would sit in my room and I would I wouldn’t write them down. But I would come up with all these storeys and characters in my in my mind. And, and I would just pick them up every so then I would and then I would go down and have my day and do my thing. And then I would come back when I’d have my alone time, I’d pick up the storey where I left off. And this would happen a lot of times and it would change and transform, and then I would start falling new characters. This is the type of stuff that I would love to do. But as far as just being creative in general, I’ve always been drawn to all sorts of creative pursuits. And and by the way, I just want to clarify creativity doesn’t necessarily just mean having to pursue something in the arts, right? There are a lot of amazing engineers that are that have over Yeah, have tonnes and tonnes of creativity. So creativity is and there’s a great book called awakening your inner genius, which talks about what exactly creativity is, because I think a lot of people, for a lot of people, it’s a nebulous concept. But it’s, it’s, it’s being able to connect different pieces of information from from that’s spread across different regions of your brain and connect those and then come up with new ideas. That’s in a nutshell, that’s kind of the way it describes it. I thought it was good description. But the other things that I’ve always loved to do creative wise, as far as I mean, I love creating music, that used to be something that I was almost going to do professionally and that my parents were really against as well. So the agreement they worked out with me was I was a software engineer, and they said, okay, you can do the music thing, but you have to do it on the side, you’ve got to be a software engineer during the day. And you can do this, I’m sorry. I said, Okay, that’s fine. That’s what I’ll do. But that’s something that I’m really passionate about. And writing, as far as the thing about writing is, again, I used to always have that voice in my head that said, Wow, I’d always I’d love to write a book, I would love to, but blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, fill in the blank, whatever nonsense excuse you can think of, I just never thought I would actually be somebody who had completed a book. And now I blown through that barrier. And I just I I, it’s just so it’s just so freeing. And now I just know, I’m gonna write book after book after book. And I’ve already got an idea for my next to my next two books, and a bunch of tentative ideas for those after that,
David Ralph [34:19]
what you’re talking about is the imposter syndrome. And we all have it, every single one of us, it doesn’t matter who you are, you will have moments when you think that’s too big for me, I can’t do that. I can’t do that. David Cameron, the Prime Minister, Barack Obama, every single person on a daily basis will think to themselves, I can’t do that. But once you blow that out of the water, really, anything is possible, within reason, you know, but you can really change your path. I when I joining up my own dots, I remember sending off some letters to become a radio DJ, really fancy beyond the mic, doing the kind of things. And part of me didn’t expect to get what I wanted. And so when I receive responses saying no, there’s no jobs at the moment, I kind of just accepted it. Now I’m doing something that I should have been doing years and years and years ago. But it’s only because I’ve managed to shake up that imposter syndrome, that the future looks good. And for all of you out there, ignore about your voice in your head, because we all have it and just tell it to shut up and go elsewhere. Because once you start focusing on what you do want and go after it, you’re going to be surprised at what you can achieve.
Huzefa Kapadia [35:28]
That’s so awesome. And another thing just to add to that, when you have that voice of those negative thoughts creep in. Another really good rule is just take action, regardless of your doubts or your fears and just start just start moving forward. And eventually things will click into place like it’s it’s sort of like, you go, let’s say you go to a networking event or something where you’re supposed to go and meet people. And you you as you walk in the doors, you suddenly feel overwhelmed with this anxiety and self. I really don’t feel comfortable talking to these people, and why are they going to want to talk to me anyways, okay, right, negative, negative negative starts to creep in, instead of trying to work out these thoughts and get yourself into a positive state, you can jumpstart that by just taking action to say, Okay, well, I know I feel nervous, but I’m just gonna do what I’m supposed to do. And that’s go up to the first person I see and introduce myself. You do that a few times, and that’ll kickstart your state. And eventually, things will start flowing into the same thing with these types of ventures,
David Ralph [36:29]
when he was a little lead as well. Were you a little hustle muscle monster, would you go out, try this or mow lawns and wash people’s cars and doing a tonne of paper around things and the kids did.
Huzefa Kapadia [36:41]
Not at all. It’s really funny now that the now My mind is sort of on fire with all these cool ideas and different things that I want to do. And so maybe perhaps somebody might meet me today and think that I was always very, quote unquote, entrepreneurial minded. And I absolutely was just so focused on school when I was a kid. And that was going to be my path. My mom’s a doctor at one point for a long time I wanted to be a physician, then it sort of shifted to the engineering, but I wasn’t that guy. I the I had thoughts about. Okay, so let me let me sort of connect this with another point that I wanted to make about the way that I’ve changed now. I always had ideas, I always had great ideas on different businesses, I could start or different things I could do. But I never followed through and always sort of kept my focus on on what I was doing on a sort of a typical path. So I felt like I was always that guy that had these ideas. And maybe maybe started on on following through with some of them, but always gave up. That was me, that was my Mo. Now I’m the guy. And this is only within a year. Now I’m the guy when I get an idea I just started, I just start going. And I actually I actually follow it through, like, for example, this book, this could have easily been years ago, when I was working in law, something that I was said, Yeah, let me try it. And then of course, things would have come up, I don’t have enough time, and I would have just pushed it to the side. Now as soon as he brought me the project, I knew I was going to see it through. And that’s it, it just feels good, too. Because this is honestly the person that I always wanted to be where I’d get a cool product or a good idea. And I would see it through and out, crush it and do the best I buy crush it I mean, put in my absolute best effort and feel really proud of it at the end. And now I’ve kind of become that person in it, it feels good,
David Ralph [38:27]
he should feel good. You’re creating your own path. You’re, you don’t know where you’re going. But you know that you’re going to get there and you’re going to bump into walls, you’re going to hit closed doors, and then suddenly, you’re going to see an open space, and then you’re going to run and then you’re going to have obstacles as well. It’s exactly what Steve Jobs basically said, and we’re going to play this now. Because I think that you are a man who is on a mission. But ultimately, your final destination you’re unsure you can’t possibly know because there’s so many exciting opportunities coming your way way. And it might be but you know, somebody comes around and says, Let’s make a movie. And if you have never done that before, but now you’ve got that mindset to be able to go, yes, I can try that. And if I can’t do it myself, we can get people around us to do that, then you’ve got a world of opportunity, which is simply astonishing. So let’s listen to Steve job. And then let’s get your flavour on what these words really mean.
Steve Jobs [39:23]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [39:59]
Okay, so I’m amazing words, but what do you really mean to you?
Huzefa Kapadia [40:04]
Yeah, so to me, it’s kind of it’s kind of has to do with having again. So now that I’ve developed this really, really powerful confidence within myself, which Honest to God, I did not have at all before. And people would probably look at me and say, Well, yeah, but you went, you did these things, you you should have felt confident in yourself and I and I look back, and I’m sort of bewildered by it as well now, because I feel so good about myself. But yeah, I didn’t have it. So what I think it means is really get what’s called maybe some people have referred to it as your inner game, I’m taking that term from a book called The inner game of tennis, but get your inner state so solid and strong, where you really believe in yourself that you can accomplish what you set out to do and just start moving. And when you especially when you’re sort of carving your own path, it’s okay that you don’t have a clear picture where you want to go. And moreover, even if you have a clear picture of where you want to go, it’s okay to stray away from that as you’re moving forward and making progress and to not be afraid of letting go of things and, and just sort of weaving your own path around whatever obstacles may come up to find the pot of the gold at the end of the rainbow. And that’s what that’s kind of what that means to me. And I’ve realised that throughout this journey as well, because like I said before, this always used to be a big area of concern as for I need to have a final destination, okay, I’m good. I’m a lawyer, I’m going to I’m going to go for partner and make make make my name there and patent law, or whatever I always had to, I always wanted to see that destination. And that’s kind of how I’ve just been trained my entire life. Now, it’s completely different. And it’s it’s super cliche, but it’s more or less that my life. It’s almost like now I really am living in the moment, even though I do envision something big eventually, you know, big things and good things happening in the future. But I sort of live in the moment as far as I’m constantly looking at feedback and pinging in the way I feel about what I’m doing to guide me on a day to day basis. It’s not a year to year or a five year plan or a 10 year plan. No Forget all that. I don’t operate like that any way any anymore. And that’s partially based on now what I’ve realised is beneficial for me. But that’s also after talking to tonnes and tonnes of really successful people and successful entrepreneurs.
David Ralph [42:24]
I remember when I read Tim Ferriss four hour workweek he was it was a changing book in my life. And I realised that there were people out there that were creating businesses that could run on automatic pilot, and they didn’t have to be there nine to five every single day. And for me doing this job, that is my destination. At the moment, I’m pretty much chained to the computer 17 hours a day. And the balance in my life is not right. But already I’m seeing a point where I can start to bring in other staff and I can get support so that the show can actually move on. without me being here all the time. I will never ever give up with being on the mic because I love this. I love this more than I’ve ever done anything in my life before. But ultimately, the rest of the administration and stuff can go on automatic pilot. And I think that for me is true success.
Huzefa Kapadia [43:15]
That’s awesome. I actually funny thing is I actually just read the four hour workweek even though I think it came out almost four years ago, I just read it two weeks ago, as I’m late, too late to come on to it. But that book is incredible. And that was also I had heard many things about it about the this about the in particular the automation idea. And I do think that’s awesome. And for me, I would like to have some semblance of semblance of an automated career as well. But you know what it’s become for me, and you just mentioned it as well. And I just wanted to bring this up. For me what it’s become about is, is weaving my life around things that just genuinely make me happy. And that’s that, to me has been the biggest revelation now where I’m, I’m leading a life where Sunday is no longer David Nx, because I know what’s around the corner on Monday. And when I think back on that type of a life, which seems so normal to me for a long time, it’s just it’s just completely, it’s just terrible. Now, there’s literally every day I wake up excited to do something Now, that’s not to say every single task is a stroll in the park. But overall, it’s it’s just it’s just, it’s just a whole new existence. And you know what phrase I just realised. The other day I was thinking about this, you know, a phrase that I completely the test now, after thinking about it, it’s the expression of killing time. What does that even mean? Right? I mean, you know what it means when you’re sort of doing something day to day that’s uninspiring, or, and interesting, but it’s just now I I realised what a poor choice of words and what a poor concept that is.
David Ralph [44:51]
I heard an interview with Billy Joel many, many years ago, and I said to him, now, Billy, you’ve had all these 100 million albums, and you’ve sold out all these stadium tours and everything, you know, what has success brought you and he said, time, simplest that he could wake up every morning. And if he doesn’t fancy doing something, he doesn’t do it. And he has choices. And the majority of people out there who are employees will literally order them I imagine if their employees don’t really have that ability to choose. And if you are feeling a little bit down on a Monday morning or whatever, you still got to go in there and do it. And now I’m not saying that you and me have got the ideal life because being an entrepreneur does take up all your life. But when it does blow into one and you’re not sure when it’s work, or play vain. That’s a powerful position to be in.
Huzefa Kapadia [45:41]
Yeah, absolutely. And I do just want to mention as well and right, like you did, you did say being an entrepreneur can, it is quite time intensive. Actually, as I worked a lot as a lawyer, I mean, the hours and big la really, really bad. But bad. I mean, it’s just it’s intense. But I am definitely, quote unquote working and it doesn’t feel like it I’m quote unquote, doing stuff related to my businesses more now. But that’s for me is, like I said, it’s just, it’s so much better. It’s such a better existence. For me, I do have friends who work in big law, it’s a minority, but I do have some that are, but I think are genuinely happy and on a really good path and wanted, like what they’re doing. And that’s awesome. It’s, it’s not to say that you’re an entrepreneur, you’re unhappy, right? There’s all these different career paths that that can fit what basically what people are looking for in different capacities. Like for example, I had a friend who was an investment banker for several years, and that made him really miserable. And then he eventually realised what he was truly passionate about. And that was medicine. And he went back to med school at 26 or 27. And now he’s a he actually just finished and is now starting his residency for him. That’s what really gets them going and get some excited. And it’s an individual choice.
David Ralph [46:58]
It’s funny, he was saying that I was thinking about my situation at the moment. And I now got the ability of having a certain amount of freedom. And so if I don’t fancy doing something on a Tuesday afternoon, I don’t need to do it. But my realisation on base is that when I have got free time to do what I want, nobody else has, because they’re all at work. And that’s that’s the kind of thing but I’d almost like to be able to fund people to hang around just but when I fancy a couple of beers down the pub or whatever, on a Sunday afternoon, because it can be lonely when everybody else is at work nine to five.
Huzefa Kapadia [47:33]
That’s absolutely true. But the great way around that is to start building on not not to, again, not the cash in your old social circle. But to start building new social circles. Like for example, I mean, I can specifically talk about the month right now. Or I may have been in Vegas surrounded by 48, awesome, incredible people, we hang out all the time, because we’re all doing similar types of things. And it’s absolutely incredible. We have six people staying in this house. And for example, we will spend every morning together all their laptops downstairs, hanging out having fun and working on our businesses. And it’s incredible. We are very flexible, and it’s great. Now, could I do this with my friends back home who work at law firms in Los Angeles? Absolutely not. But there are plenty of people I think out there that are actually are leading similar flexible lifestyles, and I just encourage people to go find those other folks and link up
David Ralph [48:29]
just just before you own the sermon of the mic, and we send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. Just give us a flavour. We’ve been talking about your entrepreneurial tasks at the moment. But what are your businesses at the moment?
Huzefa Kapadia [48:42]
Sure. So there the the main thing that I set out to start when I left, and this is when and let me let me just jump in quickly to this briefly to how exactly I left. Because I think it’s kind of it’s kind of funny, perhaps maybe entertaining, but I actually did end up going to start my new job and my new firm, because my dad was so stern about his belief that you know, you really need to go, just trust me just go. I started there. And I worked for a week and a half. And I realised there was no way I could do it anymore. And I wanted to start my new business and I quit and a week and a half. And they were not very happy because they waited all summer for me to start. But it was that point where I just knew I couldn’t do it. And once you reach that point where you just know you can’t do this anymore, and you need to do your own thing, that there’s no going back. And I told them that I’m like, I would have never done this in a million years before because this is such a corporate full pause. Really, really terrible. But as I made my decision about Okay, so I stepped away, what did I step away to do? I stepped away to start a business that I’d always thought would work and that was an education services company or a tutoring company. And I had a now I had the idea to start this a long time ago when I was 23. And again, I made the flyers I thought about it and I didn’t see it through because I just started thinking this is going to be too hard to do X y&z whatever nonsense excuses come up. Well, this time I said, All right, I want to really see what I can make of this. Because I’d always seen there’s a large upside for really good teachers, right? There’s a huge range of what you can have, how much money you can make, and all these different things. And I thought I’ve always taught for free, and on a pro bono basis when I was an attorney. And I’ve always felt that I was a really good teacher, especially with math, because I love math, really passionate about it. I said, Okay, I want to put this skill and this passion to use and make it my bread and butter. And let’s see what I can do with it. So my company is called scalar learning, and scalar I took that word from matrix matrices, when you have matrix multiplication, I won’t get into it. The bottom line is the scalar is a number that multiplies all these different numbers within a matrix. And it’s sort of like an amplifying Asian. And so that’s the way I look at myself with number of students amplifying their abilities in math. So that’s where I came up with the name scalar learning. Anyways, my company now deals with helping kids work on math, I also help some other subjects as well. And I’ve gotten into some standardised Test Prep. But as I said, as you keep pushing, the idea evolves and changes as you keep learning and growing. Now my next big thing is I still want to stick with education. And I still want to work with kids. But the big thing that I want to transition to now is building online video tutorials for SAP and a CT and other standardised tests for those for those like online preparatory courses. And that sort of kicking. And it’s so beautiful to me right now. And we’ll see how the first version goes. But it’s so beautiful to me right now, because it combines all these things that I love to do. So like for example, I’m going to put this together all myself, I love video editing, it’s another big passion of mine, I love music, that’s probably going to have player role in the videos, I’m going to use all these different things that I love to do to build this out. My plan is to work on it for from July through through the end of August for about two months. And I think that should give me enough time to release it at the onset of the school year. But so that’s how the business is now changing. And who knows where it will be in six months. I don’t know what I’ll be doing. I have an idea. But I’m always open to change.
David Ralph [52:16]
I find you inspirational. Do you know that I’m sitting here listening to every word you’re saying? And I know, absolutely. You’re going to achieve it, you’re gonna achieve everything because you’re playing totally to your passions, you’re being totally unique to yourself. And you’re working harder than you’ve ever done before, or probably not harder, but harder in a way that you you actually enjoying it at the same time.
Huzefa Kapadia [52:39]
Yeah, hundred percent. Well, thank you for the kind words, I really appreciate that. The thing you know, it’s really interesting that I, for the, for the first time in my life, I’m I always used to gauge my success or not my gauge my success and my abilities and capabilities based on what other people would tell me, for example, when I was at the law firm, I didn’t feel like I’d done a good job on anything until I got a good review or somebody came and said, Wow, nice job, I was waiting for that validation. And I was sort of like a validation junkie, because this is how I grew up. I grew up based on a system of grading and test scores and etc, etc. And now. And now I don’t know, like, for example, I don’t need to go to somebody who’s in the business that I’m in. And for them to tell me Yeah, you’re doing it right, or you’re wrong. I just have this inner belief that I’m going to figure it out. And you can I’m sure you can relate to what I’m talking about. But it’s just it’s just so powerful. And it feels so feel so good. Have you ever read a book called The Power of Habit?
David Ralph [53:40]
Yes, I have actually a long while ago.
Huzefa Kapadia [53:42]
Okay, well, that book for all your listeners, please go out and read it. It’s so good. And it’s it’s changed my life quite dramatically as well. But there’s this really cool con, you talked about this, actually, you touched on this before. And I wanted to bring it up. But I didn’t want to thrown into the conversation at the point but but it talks about the concept of belief as well as habits and everything else. But belief is a really interesting thing. Because in and it doesn’t, it doesn’t mean belief in a higher power necessarily. But what it means is just sort of belief in general that things are going to come together, there’s something that that’s guiding you that’s going to that’s going to take you to that’s going to push you to prevail, something really powerful with that, that can make very good things happen. And of course, I can sit here and tell you what you just got to believe in yourself. Well, that but that’s, that’s really difficult to do. Again, it’s it’s how to figure it’s really important to try and figure out how to get yourself to actually sincerely believe in yourself and believe in your abilities. And there are ways to do that. But one of which is again for me like surrounding yourself with really, really positive people who believe in you. And eventually, you’ll absorb that and take it on.
David Ralph [54:54]
I believe that this show is going to be the biggest show ever from the very first go. Every morning, I would look in the mirror and go, you are the owner and host of the greatest podcast out there, even when I was on episode 12345. And I got to Episode 50 and 60 and 70. And now, absolutely. Now I sit here and I think, yes, it’s all coming together. It’s all coming together. Now webinar is visualisation or believe, I don’t know. But certainly you need to have that positive outlook so that you can push through the times that are hard, or push through the times that are just sluggish and not moving as fast as you want them to be to get your true rewards.
Huzefa Kapadia [55:36]
Right. Absolutely. I completely agree
David Ralph [55:39]
with that part of the show, sir. Let’s Let’s play the theme tune of the Sermon on the mic. And this is when we send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time, what age of would you choose? Would you choose a five year old would you choose a 20 year old totally up to you. But this is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [56:04]
Here we go with the best bit of the show.
Unknown Speaker [56:22]
Huzefa Kapadia [56:23]
so for me, the age that I would go back to by the way is 18. And that’s kind of right when I was about to start University. And what I would tell myself is don’t be afraid to try things and fail. And I would actually tell myself to not even look at things in terms of failure and successes, because I actually I think is also misleading. Instead of looking at things as failure and successes, learners think of everything as a learning process. And just go for from that perspective. And each thing that you try and work on is making you better and stronger and building you up to be a better person a better man. And if you’re committed to never stop improving, and to never stop pushing, and to never stop trying, you’re going to improve at a really, really, really fast rate. And it’s hard for you to absolutely completely believe in yourself. But I’m telling you hundred percent and take me on my word I’m telling you, and I want you to lock this in your head, you can do anything you want. If you love it, and you’re going to work at it, you can do it.
David Ralph [57:41]
Do you think the younger version of you would actually believe that if you had walked into the room?
Huzefa Kapadia [57:45]
So I The thing is, is that it’s really tough to believe. But I would like to think that if it came from a version of me 16 years in the future, I would be much more inclined to believe it. As opposed to me or even even my parents saying something like that to me. Because again, it’s so difficult because it’s so difficult to get yourself actually believing and to actually shut off those self limiting beliefs. It there’s a big process to it. But But I would hope that perhaps if it came from me maybe would it would sit a little bit more than some coming from elsewhere.
David Ralph [58:23]
Well, if you haven’t had a chance, and I’m sure you’ve listened to every show that we produce, go back and listen to it to Eric James on episode 82. And he is somebody that believes that the bigger you dream, the easier it is to achieve. And it’s an absolutely fascinating show. So how can people connect with you who’s ever?
Huzefa Kapadia [58:43]
Certainly so Well, again, if anybody is interested in checking out our book, and it This book is for anybody who owns a house or an apartment, and wants to make extra money and and wants to wants to be a really good Airbnb host, you can check out our book at WWW dot get paid for your pad. com. That will be one way if anybody wants to connect with me, as far as my education services, needs help with the math of standardised test prep, you can go to my website at www scalar learning.com. That’s SC AE l ar learning.com. And those are sort of the two to probably best ways to get in touch with me and reach out to at least the things that I’m doing. If anybody wants to, of course, I’m happy to, to leave my personal email address with you. It’s it’s hard to spell out because my name is complicated. But hopefully you’ll put it in the show notes. I’d love to hear from anybody who wants to talk to me or hear about my journey or has questions for me. I’m an open book, I love meeting new people. I’m super, super extroverted. So I basically try and I tried to engineer a life where I’m surrounded by friends All the time. So yeah, you want, talk to me, and maybe join my social circle more than happy to hear from you.
David Ralph [1:00:04]
Well, you’ve been the best listener I’ve ever had on the show. And hopefully you’re going to start a tidal wave of other people who have been listening to the show, and are inspired to create their own future because that’s really what this show is all about. It’s not about myself, it’s not about the guests, is about us presenting an idea of hope. And that hope is out there for all of us. And we can have the life that we want if we’re willing to go through it. So thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining up the dots Please come back again, when you have more dots to join up as I believe it but joining those dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Huzefa Kapadia Thank you so much.
Huzefa Kapadia [1:00:42]
Thank you so much for having me. It was it was so much fun. Thanks a lot.
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