Jared Easley Joins Us On The Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast
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Introducing Jared Easley
Jared Easley is today’s guest, joining us on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots business coaching podcast interview.
He is a man who if you take all the letters of his name and rearrange them you will get “Huge Action Taker”
Well, actually that isn’t the case, but it should be.
This is a guy who over the last few years has literally sprung to the top of his chosen field.
By deciding on what he wanted, taking huge action and not allowing the obstacles that stop us all in our tracks to bother him.
Way back in 1999 he started his career in the navy, as a Electronics Technician Third Class and for four years served his country.
And upon leaving the military then moved through a series of positions and companies not coming anywhere near to that same length of service.
Was this a man finding his place in things?
Or was this simply the route that people take nowadays to show ambition to future employees?
How The Dots Joined Up For Jared Easley
Well we are going to find out, but its true to say that in the last couple of years Jared Easley has really put himself out there.
He has taken risks to create a future that he loves.
And one that no employee can’t take away from him
He is now the host of the top rated show “Starve The Doubts”, and the powerhouse behind the Pod Mov University and this years Podcast Movement Conference.
He is rocking and rolling with the best of them alongside his business partner Dan Franks.
And now as a bestseller author on Amazon with the podcasting bible Podcasting Good to Great: How to Grow Your Audience Through Collaboration he has added even more success to his life.
So what was it in his life that made him jump from the corporate life and enter into the uncertain world of entrepreneurship?
And why did he feel the need to not just do one thing well, but take on so much in such a short period time?
Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots, the one and only Jared Easley.
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Jared Easley such as:
Why the best way to reach out people to ask for help is to always, always help them firs.
He always look at how you can provide value to them before ever asking for anything in return!
How he believes totally tat nobody wins by sitting on the side-lines…you have to get in the game to stand a chance of scoring!
He shares how he spent a fortune on a podcasting course, and felt deflated as to the potential investment that he was advised it would take…..that is not true!
If you are willing to stick to something you will outperform the lazy, and outlast the lucky!
How we have created a brand new show that will definitely go onto major online domination…you heard it first here!
Jared Easley Books
How To Connect With Jared Easley
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Audio Transcription Of Jared Easley Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling join up dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK David Ralph
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes, hello there. Welcome, welcome to join up dots Episode 171. Probably overcooked, that is Episode 171. And it’s the same as all the shows, it’s the kind of shows that you want to come back to time and time again, because of the quality of the guests and the content that we provide. And I know today is going to be a particularly good one, because we have got a guest, and he is a man who if you take all the letters of his name and rearrange them, you will get huge action taker. Well, actually, that isn’t the case, I should be as this is guy who over the last few years has literally sprung to the top of his chosen field by deciding on what he wanted, taking huge action, and not allowing the obstacles that stop us all in our tracks to bother him. Now, way back in 1999, he started his career in the Navy as an electronics technician, third class, and for four years served his country. And upon leaving the military been moved through a series of positions and companies not coming anywhere near to that same length of service. Was this a man finding he’s placing things? Or was this simply the route that people take nowadays to show ambition to future employees, where we’re going to find out but it’s true to say that in the last couple of years, he has really put himself out there and taken risks to create a future that he loves, and one that no employer can take away from him as a host of the top rated show start the doubts and the powerhouse behind the podium of university. And this year’s podcast movement conference held in Dallas, which unfortunately, I couldn’t get to family holiday held me back on that one, rocking and rolling with the best of them. And also now as a best selling author on Amazon with the podcasting, Bible, podcasting, Good to Great how to grow your audience through collaboration. He’s added even more success to his life. So what was it in his life that made him jump from the corporate life and enter into the uncertain world of entrepreneurship? And why did he feel the need to not just do one thing well, but take on so much in such a short period of time? Well, let’s find out as we bring on to the show to start join up dots the one and only Jared Easley How are you Jared?
Jared Easley [2:33]
I am doing great David if your audience is not ready to join up the dots there in the wrong place.
David Ralph [2:38]
We’re going to deliver a better way because we were talking beforehand. Let’s bore the audience but we are talking through the microphone and when you’ve got to write for phones of the same ilk when power is going to be made.
Jared Easley [2:54]
I agree David and I think you sound marvelous today. And I think the the listener should tweet that.
David Ralph [2:59]
I’m feeding my as well. You know, this is deep. I’ve been recording back to back shows and this is the last one. And I’ve got a load of work today. And I just went on Facebook and I said I’m not going to do any of it. I’m gonna forget the rest. This is a neat time. So Jared, I’m now on holiday mode. This is Sunshine drinks we’re having just before we go off on vacation, and I’m feeling good.
Jared Easley [3:22]
Yeah. And the US we would say take a big swim and like you I like that.
David Ralph [3:27]
What what what kind of trunks Do you wear Jared? When when you when you’re out there? Do you wear the tight little Speedo ones? Or do you wear the big kind of Bermuda short ones that cover everything.
Jared Easley [3:38]
I’m going to go with a big Bermuda shorts just because I have a three year old daughter
David Ralph [3:44]
I’m going to go with a be muted ones now because I like the feeling of when you jump in you become like a jellyfish and and the air like gets trapped up there. Do you like that feeling when you’re in there, and you’re having to actually squeeze you’re trying to get the air out David
Jared Easley [4:00]
I think any feeling where you’re not sitting at a desk working a corporate gig and you have that freedom and that’s a good feeling. So I like that feeling David
David Ralph [4:08]
Absolutely. I’m going to put a pipe up my trousers and blow it up as we’re speaking. As you should see what happens. So let’s all start join the dots of your life because it is fantastic. Because when I started this show back on the 30th of April, there were certain names that I saw. And were my inspiration and their names that we’ve talked about time and time again on this show. So there was like the Michael O’Neill’s there was the john Lee Dumas, obviously the powerhouse of Entrepreneur on Fire, and quite a lot lot of other shows. But then there was you as well. And I kind of noticed you from the side, but then started noticing you more and more. And then you were being mentioned all over the place. So just on that thing, did you feel that you had made unbelievable momentum in very short time? Or is it that I only noticed you in kind of like the overnight success syndrome, years and years and years went into it. And I just noticed you when you were at the top?
Jared Easley [5:08]
I would say David The first thing is, can we still be friends, since you notice that? And then the second thing is, it was a gradual deal. But I mean to pretend that I’ve arrived would be ridiculous, but there has been some little wins. And I’m happy to talk about that today.
David Ralph [5:24]
You have when you’re a bit of a humble man, Jared Anya.
Jared Easley [5:29]
Well, I like to I like to relate to your listeners David because you you have explained to me kind of who is listening and what they’re going through. And I sat there and I said, you know what David me to me to David I understood everything you were saying about being in that certain age range and going through the job and, and then feeling like, Hey, there must be something more than trying to get another job and then realizing Okay, that’s not quite it, either. There’s still something else that I should be doing that I feel called to do, or compelled to do. And yeah, I’m the me to guy in this scenario, David, I know what it’s like to be in those scenarios. And yeah, moving forward, I’ve tried some different things. And I’ve had a lot of things that didn’t work. But then I tried some other things that are starting to have momentum. So yeah, you call it humble. But that’s just the reality is, is sometimes you have some little wins, and you celebrate those, but as the life of an entrepreneur, you gotta always be testing things and try new stuff. And I think staying humble is always a good way to go. But that’s just my personal philosophy. I’m kind of very humble in
David Ralph [6:34]
real life. I don’t know if you’re like this, but on the show I kind of an advanced version of myself, I seem to be like a bigger character on the mic. Did you? Do you think you have to do that? Because you sound naturally? like yourself? I imagine if I met you in a pub, would you be Jared easily that we’re hearing now? Or do you sort of increased certain parts of your personality just to be bigger?
Jared Easley [6:58]
I think it depends on who’s around what scenario we’re in. And and then I might be more inflated, like I was at a conference this last weekend, I was fortunate to speak at and there was a live podcasting opportunity. And it was in the lobby of this hotel. And there was two guys and myself. And they didn’t have any Intro Music for the podcast. And we’re just going to sit down at this podcast booth and start podcasting over the loudspeaker to the people that were in this area. And I just, I just snapped. I had a David Ralph moment. And I was like, Hey, would you like me to provide the intro music? And they they were like, well, what are you going to do? And I was like, I don’t know. I’ll just come up with something I’ll sing or I’ll beat box and, and they’re like, Yeah, go for it. So I started beatboxing
David Ralph [7:43]
don’t do it. That’s good.
Jared Easley [7:47]
Yeah, I just started doing something like that. But it’s not that I claim to be good at that. I don’t even know that that’s true. But I just did it just for fun. And it completely got the whole everyone that was in that room or in that space started looking at us and drew them in to this Live podcast. Well live live podcast, but we were recording it But anyway, it was just one of those moments so I think it depends David to answer your question is sometimes I can turn it up and then sometimes I’m it depends on who I’m talking to. If they’re more subdued, I can play that game too.
David Ralph [8:20]
How did you do your lips for that that beatboxing? Did? Did you put your hands over your mouth? I’m intrigued or what is this Pusey mouth action that you gave us? Jared?
Jared Easley [8:30]
I think what probably the best strategy if this is something that your listeners feel inclined to test is they would if they had a microphone that they would kind of cup their hands over the mic and then they would begin to to attempt to do the beatboxing that’s how I did it. Now if I didn’t have a microphone in front of me, I wouldn’t use the hands. I would just go freestyle.
David Ralph [8:52]
Well, I’m gonna I’m gonna try I’m gonna try it. Here we go.
Jared Easley [8:54]
Okay David I’m ready. I’m
David Ralph [8:56]
because this is what we’re giving. We’re giving nuggets of gold. So people out there. What is my thing in life? We might have actually created it. Live podcast music beatboxing this is this is pretty much.
Jared Easley [9:07]
Yeah, I think there’s something to this
David Ralph [9:13]
Is that is that is that a big deal? Come in.
Jared Easley [9:18]
You had me going there for a second I was thinking I was gonna create a rapper something it was good.
David Ralph [9:22]
So so when you when you move right back in the Navy, because it it seems amazing to me because being an entrepreneur is all about in many ways, lack of structure is is like taking risks being creative. And more and more people that I speak to say to me, Oh, yes, I was in the military. And this is what I wanted to do when you sort of left is is it something that has to be in you before you go into the military or because of the sort of regiment and the the way that is structured, it actually brings it out of you because you can’t babies anymore being told what to do all the time. As soon as I get out? I’m going to create my own part.
Jared Easley [10:02]
I think there’s truth to both of those. So I don’t know that it’s a one clear answer. But for me personally, I had some things at a young age where I was trying to figure out and needed a little bit of guidance definitely needed some structure. And I would say that’s a great thing, especially about the military as well. It’s not perfect, no job is perfect. But if you can get in a scenario where there’s some structure, and there’s clear expectation. And that can be a really cool adventure, depending on what your mindset is. So I went into it with an open mind. And I did I met people from all over. And it just made some relationships and great friends. And then when it was time for me to make the decision to get out, I had several years of experience. And I feel like, in retrospect, that was a good opportunity. I was able to live in Hawaii, I was stationed in Pearl Harbor for a few years. And that’s an opportunity I don’t think I would have had otherwise. And we have made a lot of great connections in Hawaii and love Hawaii. So I’m thankful for the experience to be the military.
David Ralph [11:00]
I’m in the military, is it? You know, I don’t understand how you can be third class and still have a job. Surely you should be first class, how does it work?
Jared Easley [11:11]
Well, there’s in the US Navy. And in any branch of service in the US. I mean, there’s there’s different hierarchies, there’s different roles, and you have to endure I’m sure you know this David you take these tests, you’ve been in a certain amount of time, you’re eligible to take a test to advance and and you do or you know, it’s boils down to what are the needs of the military and how many people are in that specific job. There’s a lot of criteria and formula that goes into that. But I was in I was a what they call third class, Petty Officer an E three, and I’m sorry, e4 is a is the enlisted rank. But that’s pretty common for someone who’s been in one term. If they’re in the in the Navy, or the army, or the Air Force, or whatever, Marines, and you get out afterwards, one term of service, typically, most of those people were an e4. And if you’re an overachiever, and you might be any five, but that that’s probably not very common.
David Ralph [12:10]
And in Well, I’m in the United Kingdom, we use this or make people go into the military. And it kind of thankfully stopped that sometime in the 60s. Because I didn’t even like being in scouts when I was in scouts, Boy Scouts, but them telling me what to do. And wearing a uniform drove me mental. So I could not do the military in any shape or form. In America, they don’t have that. Either. Do they don’t make you go in a certain age as a young man.
Jared Easley [12:38]
Know that you have the opportunity to decide to do it. And at the time I I wanted to change my life. I wanted to try something unique. And and yeah, I gave it a go. And there were things that I didn’t like David let’s be very clear on that. But then also, there were some connections and things that were just priceless that I look back now. And I’m so grateful for so i think so it’s a good thing. But you need I would say to anyone who’s listening, that was thinking about that type of opportunity, they’d want to research that I didn’t do that, at that young age, I was too naive, I didn’t know any better. I was just kind of reckless, and like, hey, let’s just go with whatever it was impulsive. And I would say to the person that was considering going into military research, whatever type of job or role that you’re interested in, and you’re more likely to, to make a better decision so that when you’re in you’re kind of married to it David you, you have to commit to a time frame and and that’s the way it is. So you have to play the game. And and I did the game. And I wish I had picked probably a job that I would have liked her that would have been better suited for me. But that’s all hindsight.
David Ralph [13:42]
Absolutely. So So what were you trying to get away with? or away from? What part of your life did you want to change? Because you were you were a young man. And I think certainly from my point of view, as a young man, I didn’t know what I wanted, or what was wrong in my life, what was good in my life, it just kind of occurred. So for you to be thinking, yeah, I needed a structure, I needed to change certain things at that age. Where did that realization come from?
Jared Easley [14:10]
I think it was a lack of structure. And it was a lack of lack of experience. And I looked at the military as being an opportunity to travel, I wanted to travel, but I didn’t know what kind of jobs can you get to travel at that young age, when you don’t really have much experience in the military, certainly as a way to do that, it might not be the best way. But it is a way to do that. And those appealed to me at that time. So and the jobs I was getting David at that age, I mean, they were just kind of, you know, basic jobs that anybody could do that didn’t require a lot of skill, and didn’t pay very well. So I figured, okay, if I’m going to work a job that doesn’t pay very well, at least temporarily, may as well have some structure to it may as well allow me to travel and may as well allow me to have some educational benefits, things of that nature.
David Ralph [14:56]
So so you you leave in June 2003. And you start going through a series of jobs, and you move through quite a few jobs quite quickly. Haven’t touching that four years of service with any of them, most of them sort of one year or two years and stuff. Did you move on because the jobs weren’t right for you? Or you saw an opportunity to develop? How did that actually occur?
Jared Easley [15:22]
That was combination of both. And And to your point, David, the point of this show is it took me a long time. And now I notice, I wouldn’t declare myself unemployable. But I would say that there’s a lot of jobs out there that just are not for me. And I know that now, I don’t have to go through some of these experiences all over again, I know, there’s certain things that I’m going to do good at, and there’s certain things I don’t need to mess with. And sitting at a cubicle. No disrespect to people that do that. But that’s just not for me. Like I’ve done that. And I realized I’m not going to stick around and an opportunity that requires me to sit in a cubicle all day. That’s just not not the way I want to live.
David Ralph [16:02]
Surely, Bo you You must be unemployable now to have the level of success that you’re having. I couldn’t go back, you know, even doing this and I’m nowhere near what you’re achieving. But I could not go back. And I’d be like going, No, I’m not going to do that in Trey, do you know who I am? I’ve got a daily on my show. And I had to fall back on it all the time. So you are really unemployable now on you and your heart parts, you know that you can go out and you can take risks, you can make it work, you can make your own money. Why would you want to work for someone?
Jared Easley [16:32]
Well, that’s it. I mean, I have other responsibilities. I’m you know, I’m happy husband, I’ve got a three year old daughter, I have a mortgage with our home. And and so those things play into all my decision making well, while I love what entrepreneurship offers, how if I was in a worst case scenario, and I was in a situation where I needed to do what’s right by my family and what’s right by the responsibilities I have, I would certainly consider all options. But you’re right, my friend first pic isn’t to jump back into just taking a normal job, that’s for sure. Did you think you can sort of know too much do you think it is really a one way street that once you start realizing that the risky option is in life is getting a job. And this show Jared isn’t about telling everyone to punch their boss in the face and become entrepreneurs. Because there’s so many people out there that would quite frankly, be dreadful entrepreneurs. And you know, I don’t think I’m the best entrepreneur anyway, I think I’m very good at content production. But the actual business side of it isn’t really my things. I know that there’s a lot of people that haven’t got those skills, and need to be employees. But they can be happy where they are currently, they don’t actually have to be in jobs about they don’t like doing. Yeah, I was in a job. And I actually liked what I did David I did really well with it. And then December of 2013, I was let go. And there was about 10 people that were laid off. And it wasn’t because we did anything wrong. It was just the five financial situation to the company. And, and that was a frustrating day because I thought, well, I did everything right. I’ve done what I was supposed to do. The clients loved me. And yet, here I am, I’m not able to keep this job because you know, things that were completely outside of my control. And that was a big eye opener for me. And that’s my encouragement to anyone who’s listening to this is you want to consider your options. And if there’s ways and there are ways to go out and be an entrepreneur and make your own income and, and provide value to people, that’s something you want to consider because nobody can really take that away from you. Whereas a corporate setting that can be really risky.
David Ralph [18:40]
Let’s play our first motivational speech and this is the great and he said the late Jim Carrey that would be news that he’s passed away. But then, as far as I’m aware Jim Carrey still kicking around. And this is the speech that he made recently. And he’s so powerful Jim Carrey
Jim Carrey [18:54]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made it conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [19:21]
Now, it seems to me that you love what you’re doing not just love. It is like you before you even open your eyes in the morning, your brains actually starting ticking. And he’s not that we sleep together. Jerry, I just had this feeling but that’s the way you are. Is that true? Is this something that you really love?
Jared Easley [19:39]
David Ralph [19:41]
That was the shortest answer to the longest question I’ve ever had your professional sir. And I salute you. You make it difficult for me. So, so what what is it about it? Because you you lost your job in December 2013. And I know you started started out on April 2000 13. So you was already transitioning, you was already doing that additional work? Were you aware that that was going to come to an end your job? Or was it the fact that you just knew supposedly going back to the beginning that there was something else there was a scratch that you had to itch? How did start the doubts come about it obviously falls into that Jim Carrey praise have actually taken a risk on something you love?
Jared Easley [20:25]
Oh, totally, I wanted to, I wanted to start a podcast and I had taken a course David that I paid hundreds of US dollars to take. And for me that was a big risk at the time, because I didn’t have a lot of extra money to just go and spend on something that, you know, was just a hobby or whatever. And I invested I said, I’m going to take this course I took the course. And then the second day, the course David just like a lot of courses, and I’m not bashing on courses, courses have a time and a place and, and they’re not a bad thing. But this one, the second day, the person who was sharing and teaching about podcasting said hey, in order to have a successful podcast, you got to have really good audio quality, which does make sense. And then they said, by the way, here’s my my audio package, you know, and it was like 1000 US dollars. And I remember thinking I just spent a lot of money, making an investment to take this class only to find out that I’m not going to have good audio quality because I can’t afford this particular audio package. And that was so discouraging David it took me nine months to start my podcast after that, because I was under the impression that I wasn’t going to have good audio quality. So if I started it was going to fail. And then later I found out about the microphones that you and I were talking about earlier, the Audio Technica. And that, that really is what gave me the license to jump in and get started. And it was no turning back. Once that happened. I got that mic. And I had been to a few conferences and I had reached out to some people, I had a few connections. And I was kind of like taking the the same approach or similar approach to you david i was the reporter. I didn’t necessarily had to be the expert, but I could talk to a lot of people who were smart and started having those conversations in the form of a podcast.
David Ralph [22:10]
And that’s the beauty about podcast, isn’t it. It’s not just providing content to the listener is actually providing content to us. And the hosts, if you are not developing and learning and broadening your subject range. By having these conversations, something is wrong. It’s like the world’s best course. But actually, you don’t pay a lot for it. You just actually put effort into it.
Jared Easley [22:36]
Yeah, well, and then there, let’s be fair, it’s a lot of effort, David, I have a huge amount of respect for what you’re doing. You’re talking almost 200 episodes, and you’re you’re are like a conveyor belt, you’re just putting them out. And people may take that for granted. But it’s a lot of work to do a podcast. So I love what you’re doing David I encourage you to keep doing it. And for me personally, like you said, I’ve talked to a lot of interesting people, and they were some doors that have opened up in my life and entrepreneurship that I would have never seen or even considered or known about had I not taken the first step of having conversations with people on the podcast. So my advice to any listener is whether you start a podcast or you start a blog, that’s irrelevant, but definitely be seeking out opportunities to speak with people who have wisdom, who have insight, and who are doing what you are interested in. Because that will that will get those wheels turning that’ll make you start thinking differently. And you’re going to start to see what are the opportunities that are opening up and you’re not going to know what those are until you try stuff.
David Ralph [23:37]
Because I like in my show to actually being in therapy. Now. I’ve never been in therapy and the English big. And if I was in therapy, I’d probably like to make myself seem more interesting. But um, it’s it’s one of those things that people talk to me all the time about their own personal life. And that’s I’m sitting there listening, I’m obviously reflecting on my own. And you do become aware of possibilities, all ideas that you’ve had in your past life that you wasn’t aware, or even just slightly different angles to go into, that you possibly couldn’t have if you were just trapped into a nine to five. And I think that’s really where the power of podcasting is taking over, where people who are trying to become more aware and find out different ways of doing or just starting to build some momentum in their life can actually laser in on certain subjects that speak to them. You don’t get that in radio, do you just turn on and you pretty much get what the host wants to talk about that day. But we’re podcasting is structured content, which is hugely powerful. And I think I wouldn’t have started making inroads. Unless I started listening to this. Did Were you a consumer podcast before you did this? Or did you love being you know, the default of being a DJ on the radio? How did that actually transition?
Jared Easley [24:56]
I was talking to my friend, his name’s Chris Murphy. He lives in Nashville, Tennessee, and we were talking about our jobs and certain things we weren’t very excited about. And then he told me something I’ll never forget. He was like, Hey, I was listening to a podcast, about two guys out in Utah, who were talking about how to create an internet business. And my ears perked up. And I thought, wow, what what podcast is that? Like I don’t, I had listened to podcast a few years before, but I kind of gotten out of the habit of it. And when I heard about this podcast about internet businesses, a show called internet business mastery, it’s a Jason Van Horn, and Jeremy France, and for anyone who’s keeping score out there. But I learned about this podcast This was I couldn’t even say this might have been 2010 when I heard about this 2009. And I immediately went and started downloading those episodes. And then through that podcast, I started finding out about Pat Flynn and Cliff Ravenscroft and a host of other people that we respect, and appreciate. And so yes, I did start listening to podcasts. And that was so encouraging to me at the time day, because I knew something wasn’t right. With a day job, I knew there’s gotta be something more. This doesn’t quite resonate with me. I don’t necessarily see myself going in this direction, long term. And so those podcasts kind of gave me hope. They encouraged me, they inspired me and now ultimately played a major role in me getting into podcasting and and that’s basically changing my life. Now David but I didn’t know that at the time.
David Ralph [26:29]
What was an absolute epiphany because I did, I had an epiphany. And I’ll tell you my story very quickly, I was just happening around and I found a gentleman called Tom Marcus, who was my guest number one on the show. And he was listening, he was talking to a chap called john Lee Dumas. And I’ve never heard of these guys at all in any shape, or form. And so I listened. And I thought, Oh, that’s interesting. I go and listen to John’s shows. And he first show that I listened to was Michael O’Neill. And Michael O’Neill was saying, I’m just about to launch. And I looked at him, and he had just launched and I thought I listened to him. And within an hour and a half of these three shows, I thought to myself, I could do this. I could absolutely do it. And not only could I do it, I think I’d be quite good at it. So did you have a moment like that? Where you said, Yes, this is for me, I am going to be the host of starve the doubts podcast, I get I get these Uber successful a listers in and this is going to be the most rocking and rolling show, or was it something that you just kind of fall? Huh, I wonder if I could do this? Did you have this? Will you actually follow up your own doubts? I think that’s what I’m going to say to you, Janet, did you stop your own doubts?
Jared Easley [27:40]
Absolutely. I didn’t know what to podcast about. We mentioned the microphone story earlier, I knew I needed good quality. But even once I found out about the microphone that I’m using now, then the self doubt was, what am I going to talk about? And we touched on that briefly with, you know, the idea of interviewing successful people. But yeah, I started the doubts. I was going do my own self doubt. And I needed the topic. And I thought I hope this is a takeaway for your listeners is just because you don’t know everything and you don’t have the perfect idea doesn’t mean you shouldn’t implement something. Yet no one wins by sitting on the sidelines, you have to get in the game to actually win. And that means embrace your invisibility David because some people know they have that epiphany. And then some people say, Well, I’ve got these ideas, we got to try those ideas. Otherwise, you’re not going to know what works and what doesn’t. So starve the doubts could have been a complete failure. And I remember some people saying to me, I don’t know if that’s the best idea. I don’t know if you’re going to stick with this. And while over the long haul that may or may not be true. We’ll see. It is definitely served me well in a year and a half. But I’m sure a lot of people when I started this, they wouldn’t have imagined that I would have stuck with this this far. And some of the opportunities that have opened up just because of the podcast and having those conversations and having ideas based on what other people were doing, or six that they were having. It made me realize, Hey, I could try this. Just like you said, you listen to Michael O’Neill, and you said, Hey, I think I could do this, I’d be quite good. I’ve had a similar experience. It just wasn’t right in the beginning, it took me a little bit longer.
David Ralph [29:12]
I actually was a co host on the solo canoe our back couple of weeks ago. And I found it hugely emotional because it felt like part of my journey had been finished. I was on to the next stage. You know, I was actually getting justification of my actions by the person who inspired me. Did you have those? Those moments when you kind of go? Yes, I’ve moved on to the next stage stop the daoists isn’t just finding its feet. But now it’s actually a proper show. And I’ve got proper guests and I’ve really built momentum?
Jared Easley [29:47]
Well, I think there’s been several little key moments and they add up to big, profound, you know, things that seem to be bigger than they are that that’s the perception is reality. Right David you know, some people aren’t Steve started out as being this great big podcast, and I’m, I’m in it working on it every day. So sometimes I don’t feel that way. Sometimes I feel like oh, this isn’t that big compared to some of these massive, massive podcasts that are in iTunes. But yeah, I mean, for the person that starting out, they’ll look at starve the doubts and think, wow, that’s, you know, there’s some real good momentum going here. And I mentioned that I was recently at a conference when I was at that conference, there was a lot of people that knew me and a lot of people that wanted to meet me. And that was a sobering thing for me, David because there are many, many days when I don’t see that or hear that. And I think, okay, you know, is this really worth all the effort, but then being in an opportunity to speak in an event and having lots of people come up to me and wanting to get to know me, it was just a really encouraging thing. And it made me realize, Hey, this is working, this is resonating. And then there is no stopping now that this, you know, this is an opportunity. You just got to keep going with it.
David Ralph [30:57]
Because you’ve got the perfect name Avenue because I I’ve always been told about the real Oprah famous people in the world. And I know we’re talking about podcasting land, and it’s a tiny little undercurrent at the moment. But the real famous people are the ones but you know them from their first name. So if I say Elton, who do you think of?
Jared Easley [31:17]
elton john Elvis? Elvis Presley. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. JACK Reed.
David Ralph [31:23]
Now, I don’t know any other podcaster called Jerry, that that must set you apart when people got our jammies in the room. Oh, and they know exactly who you are.
Jared Easley [31:36]
You know, it’s funny when I hear you say that? Because I do try to be a humble person. But yeah, that’s pretty much it. I mean, going to some of these events and stuff. And more and more people are knowing who I am and seeing the increase in social media. And it is it’s encouraging it’s, it’s something that I don’t take lightly. I I remember the days when I was starting out David and nobody listened. And it was critic crickets. And I, I was really discouraged that I just had someone like Pat Flynn on my podcast. And we pulled out all the stops to make that show as creative as we possibly could. We even had Pat Flynn do a script from the scene from the movie star wars, where he was Chewbacca on the podcast. And I thought, Man, I don’t know what else to do. Provide, yeah, he had to try to provide some kind of content that people would enjoy. And you know that that show just didn’t get hardly any downloads. You know, a few people talked about it, but mostly nobody talked about it. And I remember thinking this is, this isn’t worth it.
David Ralph [32:40]
How’d you get over that kind of disappointment cuz I, you know, I’ve had the same thing as well. And my first 25 days was absolutely nothing I just couldn’t break through from about 20 listeners. And I was just releasing show after show after show for five weeks and nothing, and then started to find its way and then it started to go to them. And I’m finding now the next level is people are coming to me going all cannot be on your show cannot be on your show. And to be honest, I look at most of them. And I think I don’t think you’re very good for the show. And I don’t mean this kind of amicably. But hopefully you find this as well, when you start off your wedding to have many different people. But then you realize, actually your show is doing them the service and not the other way around. And how do you deal with that when you get people coming up to start the doubt saying I want to be on and you look at their history or their background, or what they’ve achieved so far, and it really doesn’t fit with what you’re trying to create?
Jared Easley [33:38]
Well, I, I do control the guest list just like you do. So I’m only inviting people that I think would be inappropriate fit that I do get emails, and I get a lot of them just like you do. And I try to be polite to those people. But I don’t think they’re serious. I think they’re just looking for free publicity, they could care less about my show, they probably don’t know anything about my show. And they’re just kind of copying and pasting the same email to a bunch of podcasters. So what I do is I write them back and I say thank you. And then I say, if you want to sponsor the show, it’s $500. You know, and then most of them won’t respond to that. But eventually somebody is I’ve had one person actually write me back and say, it start having the conversation, they ultimately flaked out, but I say, hey, you want to pay me and, you know, you can host or not host but you can be a guest on the show. And and that way, it’s it’s I’m not telling, you know, I’m just saying, hey, you’re gonna have to sponsor the show. And right now, nobody’s taken me up on that. But I’m getting people writing me constantly. So I think eventually, somebody’s going to take me up on it. That would be my advice to all podcasters who are going through that start, start charging the people that want to be on your show, say, Hey, I’ll do it, but you got to sponsor it. And then let’s see what happens. A lot of these people going to go away.
David Ralph [34:53]
I’ll be honest, I went when I got this vibe going. I thought to myself, right? Okay, I’m gonna be a podcaster. And I thought know how to do it. Well I need to do is connect with the podcasting fraternity. And then some people work and it was just my fault. And I came home last one night, after about eight or nine points, it was quite a heavy duty. And to be honest basis, the goal of the episode for all the listeners, if you aren’t going to send an email, wait until the next morning, when you’re sober, don’t do it when you come home, and you think it’s a really good thing to do. And I sent this email to this very high profile podcaster, who has a great show out there. And he’s still got a great show out there. And I said to him, you know, I think this is amazing, you know, you’ve got all these super successful people on there. Why don’t you have like a nobody who’s just getting going, that will be inspirational. And then people will listen to them and go, yes, this nobody is doing great stuff. And then they are going to be inspired. And they he sent me back a very nice email saying yes, it sounds great is going to cost you $642 to appear, and of course, sobered up very quickly. And I’ve never been on the show. But um, I won’t ever tell the person this. But if he ever comes through to me and says, you know, I’d like you on the show, it will be a big smile that appears on my face. Because I think yes, ultimately, I’ve done it the right way and not just try to steam through because I was slightly drunk at the time. Not steaming, Jared, that was the problem.
Jared Easley [36:24]
Well, yeah, you know that. That said, I think you don’t know unless you try. And there is a season and a time when you you should ask, try to be careful with what you I don’t think you should ask people that you don’t know. That’d be my encouragement to listeners, if you don’t know them. You don’t have any kind of rapport with them probably don’t want to ask them for anything. But if if you have connected with them, there is a connection, a genuine, authentic relationship that’s formed there. And then I think that’s that’s a safe thing to do. You should ask when the timings right, but try to look for the win win, never make it just about you always try to find something that serves the other person as well, you’re more likely to get more yeses, I think?
David Ralph [37:03]
I think you’re absolutely right. provide value, which is what you’re doing right providing value to so many people who have been feeding back to you. Because you’ve got your your podcast University, sort of teaching people how to do that. How did that come about? Was that an idea? That was before starve the doubts, but you knew that you needed to to have a show to give you some expert level? Or was that something that came out of your dissatisfaction with that original course that you went on?
Jared Easley [37:31]
No, no, this is no dissatisfaction. Of course I went through was really good. It just at the time, I didn’t know enough information. But that said when we were doing podcast movement, and for those who are listening who don’t know about that, you mentioned it briefly at the beginning. That’s that’s the international conference for podcasting that didn’t exist until this year. That’s a whole story of itself. But when we were doing the speaker submissions for podcast movement, we had so many people David that were extremely quality FIDE and had outstanding presentation topics, that were not going to be a part of the conference just because we didn’t have enough space. We didn’t have enough room. There wasn’t enough time in the day. And that discouraged me so much David that I went to my business partner said this is not right. And he says it. Yeah, Dan is one of my business partners for podcast movement. And he and I talked about it yesterday. And this isn’t right. Because these people want to share their expertise. They’re quick, they’re clearly qualified to do so. But they’re just not a central place for them to do it. And then we looked around, we realized, okay, we have so many good topics, what if we were to go back to these people and say, Hey, while we can’t fit you in to the conference, we do want you to share your expertise, we do want people to know what you’re trying to teach. So would you be willing to consider creating a tutorial that kind of walks through the topics that you mentioned in your presentation submission, and allowed those people agreed to do that. So next thing, you know, Dave, is we’re sitting on a library of really good content for podcasters. And then it occurred to us, hey, this is a, this is a university. And there’s a lot of good podcast training out there. But it’s it’s kind of Guru focused. And there’s nothing wrong with that. But what I mean by that is, it’s kind of one central person saying, I’m the man, let me show you how it’s done. And we we tend to subscribe more to the community is smarter than the individual. We like the community based learning model. And we like the model that’s a little bit more moderately priced, because there’s some podcasters that are never going to spend hundreds or even a couple thousand dollars to go get training. But if there was a moderately priced opportunity, and there was really good high quality training from the community, they would consider that and so we’re in beta. Now, we only have about 20 people that are in that group. We’re working out the kinks, trying to make sure that is as valuable and as good as possible. And then we’ll do another opening and kind of relaunch but for now, it’s great group. And I’m really glad we started it even if it worked at go nowhere David just the connections with that 20 people has been really awesome.
David Ralph [40:09]
And the thing about that, though, and with the podcast movement, which you you did in 16th to the 18th of August, was it this year? Yes. That’s right. What a memory of God. And it’s one of those kind of ideas, but it was so successful. And you obviously put so much work into it. And I had Dan Frank’s on episode 99, just before sort of launching, and I kind of said to him, I thought this was already out there, you know, podcasting and has had such an explosion over the last couple of years. It I didn’t investigate, but something needed to be created, because I kind of assumed it was already there. Did you feel that as well? Did you feel that hang on, somebody must be doing this? We can’t be the first ones?
Jared Easley [40:53]
Well, we knew there was and because we looked for it. We went out where are the podcasters hanging out and there was a couple of conferences. There’s one New Media Expo, which is great conference, but New Media Expo is it for podcasters. It’s for content creators. So podcasters are kind of lumped in with video people and bloggers and, and there’s nothing wrong with that. But there wasn’t a whole just for the podcaster in a few years before there was a podcast conference. And it was apparently bought out and dissolved or I don’t know the full story there. And it doesn’t really matter. But I remember being at New Media Expo in January of this year. 2014, David and I remember hearing people say in conversations that I was not a part of i’d overhear them saying, why is their podcast conference? And that’s when I knew Okay, if I don’t get a group together and figure this out, someone else will, why not me? Why not now. And so we went for it. And it to go back to your point earlier of figuring stuff out as you go. I had had a podcast interview with a gentleman named Philip Taylor, and he’s the founder of fin con. That’s the finance bloggers conference. And he didn’t know how to start an event. He didn’t have experience with events, or conferences. And he was able to still through some strategy through generous connecting. And through just being smart. With his finances, he was able to create the conference for financial bloggers. And now it’s several years in its super successful, it’s grown, just went to the one in New Orleans, it was a fantastic event. And that inspired me having that conversation with him on the podcast made me realize, hey, here’s an example of somebody who didn’t know exactly how to do it. But he was able to research he was able to leverage the community and create this event that now that community really appreciates. And it’s like their family reunion. And every year, they’re always going to this thing. And that was the goal for podcast movement. We knew Okay, we don’t know everything. But we can talk to some smart people, we can figure some things out, we can do a Kickstarter campaign to validate the idea and make sure we’re not creating something that the market doesn’t want. The rest is history David anybody could have done it. But we actually pulled it off. And I’m just so grateful to the podcast community for supporting it.
David Ralph [43:08]
Well, you did pull it off, and you pull pulled it off big time. And I’m a member sort of seeing it. And I saw all this sort of advertisements, first of all, one of our friends, CBS, and then Oh, boy, I’m on holiday that time, so I can’t go. And it struck me as I was sort of looking at this with this is the way my brain works. I thought visit the first one. Okay, that’s amazing. Who they got speaking, oh, they’ve got him, they’ve got him. And you had sort of quite big names in the fraternity of speakers. So that’s got to be quite scary going up to these people who are very successful. They’re rocking and rolling and saying to them, Look, we’re want to do this conference. It’s never been done before. We don’t even know if it’s going to pan out. We probably don’t even know we’re going to sell tickets. But we’d like you to put your name to it. How did you sort of do that? How did you sort of break down that fear? How did you stop your doubts? Again, this is the biggest promotion for you show I’ve ever done. And actually get these these movers and shakers to go Yeah, I believe in your dream.
Jared Easley [44:08]
It started with a key group, we had a list. And we said if if we can’t get anybody else who are kind of our must go to people, and you mentioned this name, and it’s john Dumas I was a lot of listeners won’t know. And it doesn’t really matter. But it just a quick backstory is when john was first starting out, and he didn’t really have an audience. And he was completely new to the game. He was speaking at New Media Expo in January, that was 2013. So that’s really not that long ago. But he didn’t have the success he was having now. And I remember, he had put out his podcast, and he had interviewed a lot of really big name guests. But other than that he hadn’t done anything that was super successful, other than just interviewing some big names. And he his show might have been three months old at that time. And I reached out to him. And I asked him if I could host his meetup at New Media Expo. And I didn’t have any experience with this. But I just wanted to connect with john. And he said, Yes, he was gracious to agree to that. So we put together a little meetup at the In and Out Burger there in Las Vegas near the Rio casino. And David only four people came to that first entrepreneurial Fire, fire nation meetup. And you fast forward now. And I mean, the guys doing just unbelievable things and having just amazing success and well deserved. But at that moment when he was starting out and just hardly anyone knew who he was, I set up his meetup. I bought him his hamburger at the restaurant, you know. And I think john when I came to him and said, Hey, would you be willing to consider being a part of the podcast movement? I think he remember back to what it was like when he was starting out. And he remembered me helping him with that meetup. And I think that was part of his decision and wanting to be a part of it and wanting to help us out.
David Ralph [45:54]
But But you still had to break down those those doubts that that scary business that everybody has when you have to reach out, because that’s one of the things that I remember, the very first email that I sent to get the show often running was to elton john. And I only sent it to him because I knew damn well, he was never going to respond. And it kind of broke down my fear of actually pressing send and boom. And then the second email I sent, I got a response in about 10 minutes later saying, Yeah, I’ll be on the show. Oh, my God, Jared, I’ve got to do it now. And it was that kind of feeling. So you, you’re kind of had this vision, this dream, but you’re not just selling it to these people, you’ve got to sell it to these people. So that then the audience and the visitors will look at this and go basically good. And Ben, it’s a win win. you’re juggling so many things, which is, you know, all inspiring, but you were able to take risks on every area. Did you have sleepless nights when you were doing it?
Jared Easley [46:49]
No, I didn’t. Because to your point, David when you’ve provided value to someone before, it’s it’s less fear, right? Fear hates community. So when you’re involved in the community, you’re bringing value to the community. There’s not a lot of fear there. So I knew I can go and ask the question. And I’m not being out of the line, because there has been many scenarios prior to that where I’ve provided, you know, some kind of value. So I didn’t have any hesitation, I asked the question, it was my turn to ask and that that’s not meant in vanity. But I just knew that was the right timing. And so when it was time to ask, there were a lot of yeses, because I had really done a lot of diligence up to that point. Now that said, getting guest on Star without I didn’t have any credibility. So I had to do like you’re doing I had to just ask and I got a lot of no’s David but then there were some people that were gracious to say yes. And then over time, more people were gracious to say yes. And I think that encouragement to your listeners there is whether you’re starting a podcast, or whatever it is you’re working on. Sometimes it does take time you have to plant that garden. But if you’re willing to stick to it, even when all else seems crazy, and it may not make sense, if you’re willing to stick to it over time, you will outwork the lazy and you will outlast the lucky and that’s a form of success.
David Ralph [48:13]
I’ve got a question for you, Jared. And this is probably the most deep, intimate, personal question you’ve ever had. And you’re only going to get this kind of question on join up dots but your logo is an orange with headphones on? Why the hell is it an orange? I’ve always bought that. I’ve always looked at him for why it was too personal for you, Jared, you can say that you’re not willing to answer.
Jared Easley [48:37]
No, I am willing to answer it. It does seem random, but I absolutely love it. So when I was starting out, I was looking for a way to brand the show. And I didn’t have any clear ideas. And I thought of Apple, Apple has an apple. And I thought, okay, I live in Florida. And a lot of people that know about Florida know there’s oranges in Florida. And I thought that’d be kind of cool. Just have an orange with a headset. And it wasn’t perfect. And I don’t pretend it’s the best branding ever. I’ve had some branding experts kind of give me a hard time about that. But now I embrace it. The orange is starve the doubts. And people can say or think whatever they want. But I absolutely love the orange and it’s not going anywhere.
David Ralph [49:13]
And nor should it because it is that slightly quirky image a bit of that sort of sexual because that is one of the things that so many people do don’t maybe they see the success that other people have. And they think right if I replicate that work perfect, it’s going to work for me and it doesn’t you’ve got to bring your own spin in Avenue and your show is in certain sort of subjects is similar to mine. But if you listen to them, they’re very different as well, because you’re doing it because you’re Jared and I’m doing it as I’m David as well. Do you do you think that is a failure of people nowadays, but there’s almost a get rich, quick theology that they can just jump on something replicate what’s already successful and get it out there and by you will be successful too. Did you think there’s a kind of American Idol syndrome that runs through everyone that I can just oh, you have instant success?
Jared Easley [50:04]
Yeah, it’s it’s a major problem David and here’s what I mean by problem is there’s so many people that that want to be online and want to have success. And I was just talking to my friend Come on z Constable, I know you’ve had him on the show twice. And commodity and I were talking just last night about this very thing. It’s at our core, everybody wants to be significant. Everybody wants to be appreciated. And that’s why so many people are trying to cut corners. That’s why so many people are looking for ways to you know, to get rich, quick, or whatever it is, and, and man, there are some things that work really well. And if you find strategies that are smart, and that aren’t taken away from your core message, then you want to consider those things. But what I found that works for me more than anything else, David in this whole world of where so many people want to get noticed, start by noticing other people be the notice. Or if you can notice other people first, over time that builds that rapport and that rapport over time, like you’ve said is going to create that reciprocity where people are wanting to give back to you because you’ve you’ve been generous to them. And that’s how you build an army. When you’re by yourself. Nobody notices you. But when you have an army, everybody notices you, how do you build the army? It starts with the noticing your target listener or your target market, notice them genuinely make sure it’s authentic. And over time, they start to say, hey, that David is awesome that David is hilarious. Did you hear what he did? Did you hear what he said? We’re talking about blowing up his shorts. You know, those types of things over time people start talking about that. And enough people talk
David Ralph [51:40]
about that. Jerry? I now feel ashamed of myself.
Jared Easley [51:44]
Yeah, but you get the point though enough people are talking about it. And it’s because you’ve been noticing them you’ve been gracious to them. And when so many people are saying I love David I love David more and more people say who is David
David Ralph [51:56]
Can Can you see a telling bat stop the doubts becomes a not your show. It’s a brand but somebody else hosts because you’re over doing different things always, always going to be you behind the mic.
Jared Easley [52:07]
Well, I’ve actually tested that I had an opportunity to interview a very big name person that I was so excited, and I tried for months to get an interview with them never could get an interview with him. Finally, they agreed to do it. It was it was Chris Gila bow. Okay, fine. He’s written $100 startup. And his new book is the pursuit of happiness of pursuit is the name of it.
David Ralph [52:29]
Who isn’t he for some bizarre?
Jared Easley [52:31]
Yeah, he’s the founder of world domination summit. And the guy’s done some amazing things. And I was so thrilled to finally get him on the show. But he’s not somebody you cancel on David so it’s really hard to get him as a guest. And so he was doing his book launch. So I knew that was an opportunity where, you know, I might get a chance to speak with him. And then I realized I couldn’t do it because I had a family responsibility. And I had a decision to make David I could have walked away. I could have canceled I could ask to reschedule. But I had a guest co host. That’s something I do on my show a lot. I do a lot of guest co hosting. And my friend Jody Mayberry. He does a podcast called Park leaders. And he basically, yeah, he shares information that is helpful to people who are working in parks that are in the leadership roles there. So God I reached up Julia said, God, I’m not gonna be able to do this. Would you be willing to take over starve the doubts for this one episode and interview Chris Gill bow and he was thrilled to do it. He absolutely deserve the opportunity. And when I go back and listen to that episode, he put his best foot forward, he was super generous. And he represented himself, he represented Chris Gila bow, and he represented starve the doubts. Well, it ended up being a really great episode, and I wasn’t even a part of it. So it was just kind of one of those fun opportunities to hook someone up. And yeah, I will admit that I wanted to be on that podcast. And I wanted to have that conversation with Chris. But even though I couldn’t, it was a chance to still give someone else a chance. And they ran with it and did a great job. It was encouraging for him, it was encouraging for me and Chris Gila bow had a great time. And yeah, everybody was happy.
David Ralph [54:06]
Did he try to do a Jared impression?
Jared Easley [54:10]
Well, no, he had the framework for my podcast. So he followed the framework, but he did a great job with it.
David Ralph [54:15]
Because you you asked some bizarre questions, don’t you at the beginning of your show, right? Well, you know, what, what’s the first concert you’ve ever been to? and all that kind of stuff? Well, where
Jared Easley [54:23]
did that come? Yeah. Well, the purpose of that is I used to work a job where when they bring up the new employees, they’d always ask him that, what’s the best concert you’ve ever been to? And I always thought, that’s an interesting way to start a conversation. Because most people even if they don’t like concerts, they’ll talk about their favorite comedian, or they’re talking about some kind of performance that they’ve seen. And I just love that because most people can relate to that, if you say that, you know, you saw a waste is or some band, you know, I can say, Oh, I may not have seen Oasis, but I really like this song by them. Or I, you know, this particular song comes to mind when you talk about that. So it’s a it’s a way for people to, to relate. And so I start every episode asking that question, doesn’t matter who the guest is, it could be Seth Godin, it could be Gary van der Chuck, it could be Amy Porterfield, Murray folio, it can be any of those people. And they’re going to talk about their favorite concert. And so some people find that interesting, because that’s not something you’d hear them talk about any other place.
David Ralph [55:16]
Because every time I hear that question, I think to myself, what is my favorite concert? And it never ever changes? So ask me that question. Let’s Let’s do it. Let’s do stop the doc staff, the doctors with a Jerry and David.
Jared Easley [55:32]
David, welcome to starve the dots. You know what’s coming? What’s the best concert that you have ever been to?
David Ralph [55:38]
I can say without a doubt, sir. And I’ve been put on the spot here. I wasn’t expecting this question to be asked to me. But it is a queen at Wembley Stadium in I think it was 1986. And it was the second concert I ever went to. It was one of the last concerts that Freddie Mercury ever did. And it was well, without a doubt I look back on it. And I go I don’t think I will ever see like again. So that would be queen at Wembley Stadium?
Jared Easley [56:02]
And what an answer. I mean, I’m sure that was an epic concert.
David Ralph [56:07]
Because you always was rubbish. I heard you on a show. And somebody asked you that question. And it was like some weird person I’ve never heard of in in London or somewhere you went to see them? And it was really a bizarre answer.
Jared Easley [56:19]
Well, you know, to each their own right, some people haven’t had a chance to see coin and when we stadium if I saw, if I’ve been the Queen at Wembley Stadium, I that probably would have been my answer.
David Ralph [56:28]
And the other weird thing about you so just, before we get to the end of the show, is you have been to the United Kingdom, which is amazing. But yes, when you hung out was was rubbish with the greatest respect you use or hang around style.
Jared Easley [56:43]
That’s right. Yeah, I lived in LA for six months. And this is a true story. He is a true story. And
David Ralph [56:49]
when when I heard I felt she don’t really write to him and apologize. If anyone’s out there who lives in slo I’m sure it’s a lovely place. But it’s kind of known from the office. We read Keyshia bass, isn’t it?
Jared Easley [57:01]
David Ralph [57:02]
Did you when you stay there for six months? Did you go? Yes. This is This feels like I’m seeing the best of the United Kingdom? Or was there a big part of you go? The whole country and they put me here?
Jared Easley [57:14]
Uh, no, I knew when I got there that that was probably not the best place to be. But at the same time, it was, you know, an opportunity. And I’d never been to the UK before. And I wasn’t just stuck in smile the whole time. I was traveling around for the work that I was doing at the time. So I get to go to a lot of other interesting places. But yes, wow, was an experience. And it is kind of fun. Whenever I meet anyone from the UK and I talked about smile, they all just kind of like, React just the same way that you did. There’s I’m sorry for you. But it’s kind of a fun conversation starter for anyone from the UK.
David Ralph [57:44]
Because you’ve got kind of a head shape. That if you grew up with a goatee beard, you’d be quite David brain Tesco, wouldn’t you? You’d be you would be perfect for that. Have you ever grown a goatee beard and somebody stop you in the street to go? Are you David Brynn
Jared Easley [57:59]
now I have it and my wife doesn’t like facial hair. So I don’t know that I will get that opportunity.
David Ralph [58:04]
I’m a white because my wife’s got great facial hair. Now I shouldn’t say that. Maybe a little Photoshop, we should try that she cheated. Well, this is the end of the show. And I’ve got one last question before I send you back in time like a young Marty McFly to have a one on one with yourself and permission that I like to pose isn’t as deep as what’s your favorite concert? But it is. Do you think everybody out there can have a kick ass life.
Jared Easley [58:30]
I think that everybody can have a kick ass life. But I think the key is, is being generous in your connections. And being humble and paying attention. listening to what the market wants being figure out what the market wants, then you can make strategies to provide to that market. There’s ways to validate your Kickstarter. And there’s so many cool ways now to market before you manufacture you never create a product or creates a service that someone doesn’t want to buy, always test it first. I love the world we’re living in David and as long as people are listening to good podcasts, like join up dots, they’re making smart decisions, because the more they hit play on this podcast, they’re going to have wisdom on what to do next, they’re going to think of new ideas that they wouldn’t have considered otherwise. So that’s my advice to anyone listening, keep hitting play on this podcast. That’s the beginning to starting your kickstart the kick ass life because you’re going to start thinking differently. And that’s powerful.
David Ralph [59:22]
And you will remember the first hybrid of start the dots. And I’m
Jared Easley [59:28]
going to try it was pretty funny. I’m going to tweet that later.
David Ralph [59:30]
Yeah, in case you go for it first. Well, this is the end of the show, Jared. And this is the part that we call to the Sermon on the mic. And this is when I played a theme tune and you get transported back in time. And if you could go back in time and have a one on one with your younger self, what would you choose? And what would you tell him? Well, we’re gonna find out, because this is it, you’re up the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [59:56]
Here we go with the best.
Jared Easley [1:00:14]
Jared, I see you right there, you’re playing the guitar, you’re singing, you’re real focused on music. And let me tell you, I love the fact that you have put all this time and energy into playing the guitar, and to writing songs and to pursuing music. But I’m going to tell you something, and it’s going to be a little bit frustrating to hear. But it’s true, you’re not going to be a full time musician. And now right now, that’s all you care about. That’s all you thinking about. But if you can fast forward all these years later, my encouragement to you is to keep generously connecting to learn as much as you can about internet marketing. Learn as much as you can about just creating online business. And then just be your natural self. Go get to know as many people as you can in that market. Take jobs that you need to take to make the money that you need to make, but don’t take them too seriously. And if you sense a need to make a move and move beyond those roles, it’s okay to do that because you’re going to be fine. Make time for your family, you’re going to be really busy, you’re going to have a lot opportunities come your way, stop, make time to be with your wife stop, make time to be with your daughter, go take her to the playground, put her on the swing, go swim in the pool. Don’t forget to do that and lay off the fast food because you’re likely to gain some weight when you get a little bit older. Try to stay away from that stuff. But other than that you got an exciting future ahead of you stay encouraged. And on the tough days, you know, don’t let that get you down because there’s awesome things to come. But yeah, start right now. Keep keep doing what you’re doing. But focus more on the internet focus on internet marketing and really get to know the people that are doing that and learn from them.
David Ralph [1:02:00]
Young Jared when you do go swimming make sure you squeeze the air out of your trunk. So he’s is that
Jared Easley [1:02:05]
make sure you do that. That’s good advice. The best advice? How can
David Ralph [1:02:11]
it doesn’t get any better than that? Does it? How can our Orleans connect with you, sir?
Jared Easley [1:02:16]
Well, other than join up dots calm and they should go here first. The other places I have a podcast called starve the doubts, not starve the dots, although we do like that. And then if you’re interested in podcasting, podcast movement, that’s really the place to be. podcast movement is the event that we do every year in August. And it’s an amazing opportunity to connect with just so many other podcasters you’re making big moves. And so podcasting interesting, your podcasts moving calm.
David Ralph [1:02:41]
Jared Easley, thank you so much for spending time with us today, joining up those dots. And please come back again when you have more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining those dots and connecting our path is the best way to build our futures Jared Easley. Thank you so much.
Jared Easley [1:02:55]
Thank you, David.
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