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Introducing Leo Prince
Todays guest, joining us on the Join Up Dots business coaching podcast interview is Mr Leo Prince.
Someone that from the very beginning of launching the Join Up Dots series has been my target guest.
A listener who from listening to the shows, and taking a huge amount of action in a very short time, has started on the road to success and living the dream life they crave.
We all hear the stories, and tales of the successful in life who overcome so much and come out at the other end living the dream, but how powerful is it to hear about someone who is just a few steps along the path from us.
The kind of person who might yet to have transitioned from the 9-5, but now has a firm idea of what they want and what they need to do to achieve it.
And Leo Prince is certainly that kind of person.
How The Dots Joined For Leo
He contacted me at first by email, due to the content that he had heard on episode 70, and asked to have a chat, which I of course was grateful to do. And not for one minute do I think that I was the catalyst for where he is today, but it meant that he took action.
He made a decision on what he needed to do, and did it.
And that was just the start, and now from his hometown of Milton Keynes in the United Kingdom, he is just about to launch his first Music Seminar on the 8th of November 2014, which he hopes will be a day that will inspire, expand minds and show that you don’t have to be stuck in a rut with music production.
The line up of speakers are some of the most innovative experts in production and the music business, and all attendees will have a whole day to absorb their knowledge, learn new skills, participate in Q & A sessions, and learn the methods to work efficiently and get their art noticed.
So he is really putting himself out, taking a risk, but working dam hard to make sure that the road he is on, becomes the road he was born to walk.
So its with great honour, to bring onto the show to start joining up dots the one and only, Join Up Dots listener….and now my friend Mr Leo Prince.
During the show we discussed with Leo Prince such weighty topics such as:
How he loves to go out and smell vinyl records….yes, really I know that’s a bit weird but that’s what he does!
How he believes you have to visualise what you want from something and then start working towards it….but have the vision first!
How it doesn’t matter if the work you are doing is imperfect as you then improve upon it in the future!
How it often doesn’t take a long time to get people to buy into your vision as long as you have a passion and a vision, and share both!
How Rick Astley is the only name that should be on the second Music seminar that he is bringing to the world!
How To Connect With Leo Prince
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Audio Transcription Of Leo Prince Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes, hello, everybody. Welcome to Join Up Dots Episode 156 is the first of October. Christmas is just around the corner. And I know Christmas is just around the corner because I went to a pub lunch with my family today. And they’re already advertising Christmas dinner. Little bit too early, I think. But hey, if you’re thinking about what to buy me, you’ve got two months to do it. Now today’s guest is someone that from the very beginning of launching the Join Up Dots series has been my target guest, a listener, who from listening to the shows and taking a huge amount of action in a very short time, I started on the road to success and living the dream life a crepe. Now we all hear the storeys and the towers of the successful in life who overcomes so much and come out on the other end living the dream. But how powerful is it to hear about someone who’s just a few steps along the path from us, the kind of person who might yet to have transition from the nine to five, but now has a firm idea of what they want and what they need to do to achieve it. Our guest today is certainly that kind of person. Now, he contacted me at first by email and due to the content that he heard on episode 70, asked to have a chat, which I of course was grateful to do. And not for one minute do i think that i was a catalyst for where he is today. But it didn’t mean that he took action, he made a decision on what he needed to do. And he did it. He emailed me and it got the ball rolling. And it was just the star and now from his hometown of Milton Keynes in the United Kingdom is just about to launch his first music seminar on the eighth of November 2014, which he hopes will be a David, fire, expand minds and show that you don’t have to be stuck in a rock music production. Now the lineup of speakers are some of the most innovative experts in production and the music business. And all attendees will have a whole day to absorb their knowledge, learn new skills, participate in q amp a sessions and learn the methods to work efficiently and get noticed. So he’s really putting himself out and taking a risk, but working damn hard to make sure that the road is on becomes the road he was born to walk. So it’s a great honour to bring onto the show to start Join Up Dots, the one and only Join Up Dots listener and now my friend, Mr. Leo, Prince, how are you, Leo?
Leo Prince [2:40]
Very good. David, thank you very much for that intro. That was a buildup when they
David Ralph [2:43]
even when I was watching it. I was thinking, God, if I was Leo, Prince, I’d have all my family around listening to that.
Leo Prince [2:50]
They will be when it comes out there. Let’s hear it.
David Ralph [2:53]
So what is happening in your life because you know, that introduction really did set the theme but you a listener of Join Up Dots. And almost I find it a bit mad actually because I get lots of emails from people that they say, I came into the show on episode 70. I’m now catching up. And they’ve literally listened to more shows, but I’ve actually done. So you’re a bit like that you’re you’re sort of really trying to get to about block of shows where you can go I’ve done every single thing. And that takes commitment. Because that’s an hour a day, seven days a week. And I imagine on Saturdays and Sundays, you’ve got the kids and stuff. So how do you get so much of me?
Leo Prince [3:34]
Right? Well, one thing that I learned a couple of years ago was to make use of my time when I can’t do anything else. So on my journey to work every day, which takes an hour, they’re an hour back or four, I catch up on all your shows, because I heard one and then decided to listen to the rest.
David Ralph [3:50]
So So what was the one? I’m going to pick myself up here be a listener on the show? So can you remember how you found me? Because I’m always always interested? Because I’ll be you put the word out there and you kind of expect people to find them through iTunes or the website and that, but yeah, surely you will find them from other people’s podcasts where you will hear one bit of content and it might link to another one and so on. So did you remember how you joined up your dots? And you found us?
Leo Prince [4:19]
Yeah, I think it was the solo printer hour? Because I’ve been listening to about six or seven different different shows. For I’d say, I’d like the last four or five months. And then yeah, I stumbled upon you. I think you’re either mentioned on it, or you did an intro possibly. And yeah, that’s that’s how I found you. And so you know, now after 100 shows is a blur to me as well. I
David Ralph [4:45]
can’t even imagine how I started this. I was having a conversation with a couple of chaps about an hour ago. And I was saying, I’ve never recorded my hundred and ETFs show. And I find it hard. But I’ve recorded more than 10 because I did kind of all blow into one. And I seem to spend all my life saying, Oh, I had a conversation with someone because I remember the content, but I don’t actually remember who said it to me. And it all it does all blow in. But what what is it about Join Up Dots and the show is going to be about you but I am interested. What is it about Join Up Dots up makes you such an avid listener, but you want to listen to 170 180 shows because isn’t it the same kind of conversation day after day after day?
Leo Prince [5:29]
Yeah, but it’s always a different person day after day after day. So yeah, the questions that you ask can be similar, but you usually go off on a tangent Anyway, once, you might say something, and then you go off on to a different type of conversation. So that’s how my brain works. So I like not just sticking to the same thing and going off. And that’s what you showed us for me. So
David Ralph [5:54]
so so the similarity is actually the comfortable thing is it?
Leo Prince [6:01]
possibly some of it but each each of the guests you have all have different journeys and interesting storeys behind them. So the format doesn’t really make a difference is the content of what you’re listening to? That makes a difference to me.
David Ralph [6:17]
Have you ever listened to me in the shower? No. Have you ever listened to me on the toilet? Know? Where do you Where do you listen? Because I’m starting to find a theme that people listen to me in the shower and I come down like that fault. But
Leo Prince [6:36]
silence silence when I’m in
silence when I’m in the bathroom definitely know, on the way to work and on the way back from work. And when I’m at work with headphones on. So yeah, just trying to catch up?
David Ralph [6:50]
Well, let’s move it on to you. Because that’s what it’s about. So you’re in a job. And you are you’ve got the ability to sit there with your headphones on. So you must be in a job that isn’t customer facing. So what do you actually do for a living?
Leo Prince [7:05]
I’m a computer consultant. So I’m actually on the phone quite a lot. I have a clever headset that cuts off the sound I’m listening to when the phone rings. So
David Ralph [7:16]
yeah, just pauses does. So I get stopped, and then the customer talks and then suddenly burst back into life again.
Leo Prince [7:24]
Exactly. Yeah. How’d you
David Ralph [7:26]
get away with that? Does your boss not? No, no. So if your boss is also an avid listener of Join Up Dots, and you’re not aware of that, have you exclude yourself?
Leo Prince [7:38]
No, cuz one, he wouldn’t have the time to listen to anything pretty much because he’s so busy doing his nine to 12, not nine to 524 hour work schedule. So no, and I’m leaving in two weeks time anyway. So it doesn’t make any difference.
David Ralph [7:54]
So you have taken huge action you you’ve actually now quit your job.
Leo Prince [8:00]
quit my job, I bet I have got a different one. But one that enables me to have more time to work on my future passion. So yeah, I’ve, in the last three weeks, I got offered an interview, or Winfrey, I got it. And yeah, I handed him on it. So I’m now doing a job for another company in a different role, which is going to be less demanding on my time, which will give me more time to work on the things I need to work on for my ultimate goal.
David Ralph [8:28]
So absolutely. Now, if we take you back to Episode 70, of Join Up Dots, and I said a thing at the end about you know, if you need to talk to me, just contact me and you did and you came to I remember that conversation like it was yesterday. And one of the things that you said when we were just having a chat for an hour about different things and stuff was that when you was rummaging around in your drawer, you found a CD or a disc from a life coach that you went to two years previously, who had gone through a lots of stuff with you and ask you questions, and kind of almost get gave you a blueprint for action. And you said to me, I did all that. And I put it in a drawer and I didn’t do anything at all with it for two years. Yeah. Why then two years ago, did you go with that kind of effort, but didn’t do anything with it. And now you’re taking so much action on a daily basis. That it’s it’s unbelievable. What what’s the difference in Leo prints from then to now?
Leo Prince [9:31]
I think I was just comfortable with putting up with the work situation at the time. And yeah, really listening, listening to shows like Join Up Dots, really just gave me that extra push. So I was searching a few years ago, I fought I was actually looking for creative input for my making of music. But what came out of that actual conversation was It’s nothing to do with the music is actually you want a different life, you want to change where you work and how you work. So that’s what, that’s what came about. But at the time, I was still quite comfortable with getting paid and turning up every day for work. So
David Ralph [10:12]
so it wasn’t too bad.
Leo Prince [10:16]
It was quite bad. But yeah, not too bad.
David Ralph [10:20]
Where Where did when did something become so bad, but you have to take action when you start to want to move away from that pain. Because you know, you’re listening, you’re on the road to global success on the path that you’re on at the moment. But so many of our listeners are in that position where they go in every single day to a job that I don’t really like, because it’s not quite that bad. It’s it’s bad, but it’s not quite that bad. So when does it get to that point, when you actually go now I really gotta do something about this now is this just too much for me,
Leo Prince [10:56]
for me is when I, you say a 14 hour day. And then the next day, I’m up again and have to do another 10 to 14 hour day, just because works busy at that point in time. It just gets too much and just, it just makes you suddenly snap and think now I can’t do this anymore.
David Ralph [11:17]
But you’re aiming to be an entrepreneur. And I now do quite often 17 hour days. And that is a totally different life. But if I if I look back to my life, before I was an entrepreneur doing this, and somebody said to me, I want you to do a 17 hour day I would say, Are you mad? What kind of person do you think I am. But now I will do that. And I will do it quite readily. And I don’t think my wife is overly pleased with it. But I’m willing to put the effort in to do that. So why are you not happy with 14 hours for somebody else but you you’re going to be doing long hours, you’re going to be doing lots of hours when you’re actually trying to drive something forward and create something for yourself.
Leo Prince [11:58]
Because the field I’m looking to work in is anything that I enjoy doing. So I’m a computer engineer, I enjoy computers and stuff, but I don’t actually enjoy fixing problems for people with computers. So my passion is music. And if I’m going to make a living from something, it should be something related to music.
David Ralph [12:18]
So you sit there and it really jumped into my mind. Anything that I enjoy is what you’re aiming to do. And so yes, is that your blueprint? Have you got a list of all the things that you really enjoy? Which you feel that you can make a business out of?
Leo Prince [12:36]
Yeah, some some of them are a bit more difficult to make a business from at the moment that I can see but not naughty. So hopefully,
David Ralph [12:45]
as we all enjoy those, and I suppose you can make money out of it. But that’s not what I was about.
Leo Prince [12:51]
Nothing like that is Yeah, some some things would be difficult to make money out of just because some people have already got the market sewn up. So
David Ralph [13:01]
Leo Prince [13:03]
Well, music distribution for a star. Think iTunes might have that sort of wraps up?
David Ralph [13:09]
You do in a different way? Can’t you? Can’t you? Yeah, you know, I’ve launched a podcast. I’m not the first person to do it. And I won’t be the person who you know, the last person to do it. So yeah, I could have thought the same thing and said, Oh, it’s all soda. Nobody needs another business inspiration or motivation or chat podcast. But there’s, there’s areas for everybody in any market. I don’t believe that’s right, sir. I don’t believe that. They’ve got it sewn up.
Leo Prince [13:36]
Now, when I say sign up, as in, they’re already there. For so many people. I don’t see why many people would actually stray from what they’re already using. I know loads of different little independent distribution companies, but I have no need to buy from them. Unless I’m sort of told better reasons to buy from them. And I haven’t really heard any. So
David Ralph [13:58]
yeah, but they’re making business. The reason they’re in it is they’re making money, aren’t they? All these little independent ones. So there must be a need for Leo, Prince, little iTunes?
Leo Prince [14:11]
Well, for me, for me, it’s not actually the digital side anyway, it be the vinyl vinyl distribution. So nearly most of the vinyl distribution companies that I want to new have gone now. But there is now a growing demand again for vinyl and no one’s actually feeding that demand other than the big companies. So yeah, if I was going to do it, I’d be doing it in that old fashioned medium,
David Ralph [14:34]
I actually record and on my shelf to my left is a record player as we call it. When I was growing up, it was all 12 inch singles. Remember 12 inch singles. I have about 2000 sitting behind me right now in my room, and you play him now. And I think they were rubbish, just get on with the tune. But you always wanted these extended nine minute extended versions of freedom, minute song where the three minute song was just kind of stuck in the middle of these instrumentals for hours and hours and hours going. It was it was dreadful. But when I decided to buy this record player, I actually went into the shop, but it wasn’t that long ago. And I said to him, I would like a record player, please. And the guy behind the counter just looked at me blankly and said, Oh, I go and get my manager. And the manager came out and said I pick a record player. And he said, What do you mean by that? And I said to him to play to play records, big black things with a hole in the middle. And he went out. I know what you mean. And he came out with a catalogue. And he showed me and I’m sure even though I am saying that in a kind of an amusing way. I’m sure there’s a lot of our listeners out there at the moment go. I don’t actually know what he means. What What does? What does he mean? A vinyl player? So explain it to them? And why do you think there is a need to go that route? Why is that? That kind of dead format almost coming back in popularity?
Leo Prince [15:56]
Well, the main reason for it is now music social cheap, and so easy to get hold of whether you pay for it or not. You can sort of pay your your pound for mp3. But do you really feel like you own it because you can listen to radio and hear this music for free anyway, so least when you’re buying a physical product, you’ve got the memory of getting that product and being able to read in smell it all the weird things that us record collectors do. And yeah, it’s just for an artist that makes music is a physical product to sell just like t shirts, just like CDs even rather than just an anonymous file sitting on a on a hard drive somewhere.
David Ralph [16:42]
I do agree with you on that, that I love a CD. And I I really hate the CDs now but I kind of paper covers. I want plastic ones that look good when they all sit together. And I’m quite annoyed by that. But what what’s your favourite smelling record vain, but you smell final? Is there one that you are that smells so good, I come back to it time and time again.
Leo Prince [17:06]
Now, I can’t say I can’t say there is but there’s just the overall general smell of vinyl and having the memory of when you were in the shop, I’ve got memories when I was 14 in a shop, you know going to spend some money that I don’t work in all the markets to buy vinyl. It’s it’s just something that just bring brings back memories for that. And also to support an artist to buy a piece of vinyl with they’re getting more money from that than they would if you bought an mp3 from them.
David Ralph [17:34]
Did you used to do that thing that I used to do that I would go into record shops and actually look for the stuff I already owned just as like a confirmation, but it was a good shop. So I would look through and I go Oh yes, I’ve got that. That’s good. I’ve got Yeah, and I wouldn’t buy it, I would just kind of spend time flicking through finding the things I already own bizarre company.
Leo Prince [17:57]
It’s quite funny, because some of the records I see on the wall of shops for 40 or 50 pounds now so and I think wow, I only paid four pounds for that.
David Ralph [18:06]
So So could you. In all seriousness, could you make a living out of providing those kind of vinyl objects to people nowadays, is there such a growing market that you could actually quit your day to day job and just deal with vinyl?
Leo Prince [18:25]
I would say on the actual production of it actually pressing vinyl, because there’s very few vinyl pressing plants in the world now. And in the selling of it, you would have to sell it alongside other stuff as well as you know, merchandise of some kind, I believe.
David Ralph [18:40]
So let’s jump back Leo. And that list that list that you have created about the things that you really love. So what else is on there? Tell us what’s on that list. Because I think that’s really powerful. But you actually spent time writing down the things that you think that you would make you happy. And you’re trying to construct something around, because that’s totally different from the mindset that so many of us had, where we just go for the money, show us the money and and i don’t care about anything else. So what else is on that list that you think yeah, this would really make me happy. And if I was doing this every single day, I’d be in a world of bliss.
Leo Prince [19:21]
For me, my world of lyst is actually sitting in the studio and making music and not having to worry about, you know, when I’m getting paid next, or any of that kind of stuff. But thing that might be a bit of a dream. And even teaching people about either making music or you know, looking looking at it from different perspective from where they may actually be looking at thinking outside of what what the norm is and trying to present themselves in a in a different way to stand out.
David Ralph [19:55]
So So is music, your big thing? If we went back to the little Leo, were you really into you know, your music and your bands and following people? Or was it just the actual creation of it that you like?
Leo Prince [20:10]
No, when I was little, I didn’t like it at first until I was maybe about five or six and I started listening, started listening to music. Yeah, but from the age of say, 1112, I was always recording radio, I’d a little joke. on the market store. We used to travel to Wembley every weekend and work on the market. And any money I earn, I used to go and spend in record shop Simple as that.
David Ralph [20:37]
So so what what what was it that that really got you infused about music and stuff, because what I’m getting to Leo is the fact as you would have heard time and time again, most of us will have our real authentic self right at the beginning when we’re youngster. And then for some reason or other, we forget it and we lose track of it until the later when we start asking assessing our path and questioning the decisions that we’ve made to go into certain areas. And we start looking back on things and bingo, it wasn’t like better when it was like that when I could do this and realising all let’s 20 years slip by, that’s what I should have been doing. So that little kid on the market, going for record shops and all that kind of stuff. Do you look back on that now and go? Yes, that’s my authentic self. That is the person that I’m now going to try to recreate?
Leo Prince [21:32]
Yeah, I wouldn’t really be recreating it. Because I’ve always done that since literally the age of 11 or 12 have been buying music and lyst playing it out DJ and, you know, doing pretty much anything related to it. And works just been a sideline, it’s just been a way of paying the bills and getting by
David Ralph [21:52]
Really? So what did your wife say when you said I’m going to quit the job? I’ve been listening to these these podcasts and I will more. Did you sort of say you’re just going through a phase? Or did she support you? She called it a midlife crisis, but in a in a funny way.
Leo Prince [22:11]
But she understands the drive, I’ve got to do the things that I need to do, rather than paying someone else’s bills by working for them. And yeah, it’s been it’s probably, probably since we’ve had kids and we are kids and nine and six. I’ve always been sort of struggling with the the working for someone else mentality.
David Ralph [22:36]
Why? Because you never going to get rich being an employee? Or is it the fact that you don’t respect the choices that you make, but you have to follow through because that was my thing, when I suddenly realised that they were telling me to do stuff I just didn’t believe in, and I go in every day and do stuff, but at the end of the day just wasn’t right for me.
Leo Prince [22:57]
Yeah, it’s a bit, it’s a bit of that is I’m not the sort of person that works well, in fixed times, I don’t enjoy being at work for nine, I, I’m usually more creative at nighttime, and I find the structure of just the whole nine to five thing just doesn’t meet with my actual type of person. I just, I just don’t see the point in it if you don’t have to be doing that kind of work.
David Ralph [23:29]
And so is it a risk that you’re doing? Is it is it something that you lay in bed? Are you excited by? what is ahead of you? Or do you lay there thinking, Oh, my God, what am I doing? I’ve started something and now I’m going to lose face? If I turn around? How do you actually feel in Those dark hours?
Leo Prince [23:50]
Well, I’m, I constantly doubt myself. But I’ve been fighting that recent, you know, last six months, I’ve been fighting the doubt, I’ve been pushing against it to to make sure that I do what I want to do. And the start of it with the the music seminar is, you know, I’ve got a fear that no one’s going to turn up, I’ve got a fear that I’m gonna have to pay everyone that’s going to be there, and I’m not going to have any money to pay them. But I’m still going to do it. Because it’s got to be done to prove to myself that it needs to happen. And that’s that’s how I’m going to be with any business that I take on. I’m just going to push against any of the fears that I have.
David Ralph [24:31]
That that’s that’s gonna be the wave. And it may it really is, you know, I’m going to play the words of Jim Carrey, which I play all the time. But I love this speech. But I was the same when I started this wasn’t going to get one listener, hopefully, because I started downloading them myself. And Ben, could I get for listeners? Can I get 10 listeners? And can I afford to do this, and all those fears that we have in our head, we all have the same fears. I don’t believe that the Au Prince is any different from David Ralph and David, Ralph isn’t any different from Richard Branson. It’s just those people that are really killing it are the ones that have actually taken on exactly what you’re doing. And you’re doing something that you don’t know if the end product is going to pan out. And I’ve looked at it, sir. And I believe it is going to pan out big time. And I know that with the promotion that we give from this show, there’s going to be a lot of people banging down and I’m sure you’ll be sitting there on the eighth of November at Milton Keynes going well, what was all worried about? Because you prepared something, haven’t you? you’ve you’ve taken time you’re doing it right? You you’re setting up a structure that is professional, it doesn’t look like the first time you’ve done this.
Leo Prince [25:43]
Yeah, well, that’s that’s the whole idea. If you’re not confident in what you’re doing, that people are going to be confident in your favour. So yeah.
That’s, that’s what what I strive to do with it.
David Ralph [25:55]
Well, you have done it well. So let’s play the words of Jim Carrey, because he talks about taking risks and doing the things that you love. And this is Jim Carrey,
Jim Carrey [26:03]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [26:29]
Now that could have been written for you.
Leo Prince [26:32]
Yeah, pretty much spot on. Yeah, that’s that’s, that is my out view on life. Now, it might not have been more than over two years ago by certainly is now.
David Ralph [26:46]
And it is exciting, though, isn’t it? It is exciting, not knowing if you’re going to pull it off. And I say to all the listeners out there, if you’ve got something in your head, and you’ve got a dream, and you’ve got a vision of what you wanting to achieve, it’s not going to happen overnight, it really isn’t. And you’re going to have doubts, you’re going to have fears. And if you’ve listened to more than 10 of the shows, you’re going to know what we’re talking about. But you’ve got to find people who are connected to you who will support you. And when you’ve got those dark moments and those doubts, but they will sort of pick you up and push you on. And you’ve got to be gentle with yourself. You can’t just keep on beating yourself up when things don’t quite go as perfectly as you want. Because you just move forward, and you keep on moving forward. And as long as you don’t sort of put the mortgage on it. And you play within your means. What’s the worst that’s going to happen? Yeah, if Leo loses a lot of money on this, when he can get that money back. I don’t know how he’s going to do it. But you would work. And that’s the beauty about starting to take action, you realise that the in perfect, imperfect action in perfect action. That’s not even a word. The imperfection of an action is actually still getting you forward, somehow, it’s still making you do something I’m making you move forward.
Leo Prince [28:01]
Exactly. I’m the sort of person that makes mistakes, and it doesn’t bother me It bothers people I work with, they’re like, Oh, you’ve made a mistake. I’m like, Well, you know, yeah, happens. You just got to get on with it. So that I can apply that sort of relief to to anything I do. Because that is generally you know, if it’s not going to kill you what, how bad could it actually be?
David Ralph [28:25]
It was in perfect action. That’s what I was trying to say when you knew that anyway, didn’t you? You let me drown in it. You let me wallow in my misery there. But yeah, you
Leo Prince [28:36]
can edit yourself outline. So
David Ralph [28:38]
I don’t I don’t I just laid myself out there. I don’t actually do any editing of myself. I do have some guests that go, oh, could you edit this out? Can you edit that out? And I kind of say I’m going to back down?
Leo Prince [28:52]
Is that because I select that box off or something? Always,
David Ralph [28:55]
always leave it in there. Because once it’s out, its out, isn’t it? It’s imperfect. So let’s talk about your music seminar. Because it is the big thing. And it’s something that I am so proud of you really because you know from that first moment that we chatted? Well, I don’t know, I’m going to ask you the question. Now, when we first chatted was this idea in your head anyway, because if it was you, you didn’t sort of mentioned it to me in any shape or form. You just sort of said I want to do things I want to sort of create stuff and all that kind of stuff. So it was the Music Centre seminar, something that you’d always thought I’d love to do. This
Leo Prince [29:29]
is something I thought of, relatively recently, but I already had a seed of it in my head from a video art scene of a seminar. And what I realised from the video I’d seen was it in cover, like, a whole day of what I envisioned music seminar should be. It was more like a couple of hours of an hour for a whole day. So I then for well, who do I know? And who can I get involved with this, I can talk about the sort of stuff that I want people to hear in a way that they will understand it. So and I’ve Yeah, I’ve put that together for this event with free producers that I really sort of admire, and they they all have something good to say.
David Ralph [30:23]
So did did they know you personally when you contacted them? Or did you have to cold call them?
Leo Prince [30:30]
No, I knew. Well, one of them. I knew from afar, but not not, you know, not a friend, just someone I knew. Whereas the other two were friends that I know. But again, because I knew them, I knew what they’re capable of. That’s why they’re there. They’re not there just because they’re my mates. They’re there because they’ve really got something they can give. Give to the course, basically.
David Ralph [30:54]
And how did you convince them? Did you say to them, this is what I’d like to do. And they went Wow, this sounds amazing. Or did you have to keep on chipping away? Um, how did you get them on board?
Leo Prince [31:04]
It wasn’t difficult.
They they, they all says Yep, sounds brilliant. What? You know, when when do I have to be there?
David Ralph [31:13]
And Did that surprise you when they said that? Because I imagine in your head. You had this big kind of speech setup, but you had to come in. But
Leo Prince [31:22]
David Ralph [31:22]
easier than you imagine?
Leo Prince [31:25]
It was? Yeah, it was a lot easier than I imagined.
And the next lot I’ve got lined up after this one, I imagine will be a lot more difficult because I will be using people that I don’t necessarily no at all, and trying to convince them to come along so not Rick Astley is it
is near he does live near here. I think he lives in Buckingham or somewhere around that way. Oh Rick Astley he’s one of my heroes.
David Ralph [31:50]
Whenever I hear hear music or a bit of karaoke. You gotta hit with a bit of Rick. So why don’t you go to Rick Astley he’d be brilliant when they
Leo Prince [31:59]
know Mr. Kind of music. Like disrespect to respect Rick Astley. Of course
David Ralph [32:05]
No disrespect, cuz he’s not gonna listen. But you realise what you did to me. Oh, you never know. You can listen to it back in my face again. You literally looked around with imperfect action. And then my musical hero. You throw it back in my face. Mr. Prince,
Leo Prince [32:21]
he could be listening to you now because he’s about to do a relaunch. And he’s been all fired up for
David Ralph [32:27]
me to relaunch. He’s never been away. He’s never been away. He’s um, he’s under colon. Under Cameron. That’s not a word. Is it? About what what am I talking about? And I don’t know, let’s not talk about recast Anyway, let’s let’s move on. He’s not important. He’s really he’s really important. So what’s happening with the second one? Because I find it fascinating. The first one, you’re scared to ask these people. And then they kind of say, Yeah, it sounds great. And so you go blow me, I’ve got these people. Now I’ve got to set this up. And even before you do the first one, you’re already thinking about the success. So the second one, and that’s how you’ve got to do it, you’re you’re setting a vision up and working towards that. And the way you will do it is obviously when the people come the 70 seats on the day, you will then stand up and say, if you love this will give you 10% off if you want to come to the next one, and then you basically sell the seats out beforehand, and throw another couple thousand on the top. And then you’re you’re you’re doing Wembley Stadium, within
Leo Prince [33:26]
about three weeks, you’ve obviously been reading my email. Yeah, my plans and running
David Ralph [33:30]
the market outside at the same time.
Leo Prince [33:33]
Yeah, you can do it. It’s quite a weird coincidence that the the place that we’re holding it at is actually my sister who’s a singer, runs the arts administration there. So it’s a it’s in a very creative place. And they have I don’t know how many offices about 30 offices there. And you got people doing are you got people doing sculpture, you’ve got people who run businesses from, you know, sort of ticket and businesses. There’s all kinds of creative work going on in that area. And yeah, so I it for me, I instantly knew where I’d hold an event like this. And it’s all sort of falling into place.
David Ralph [34:18]
But he hasn’t has it, you know, you make it seem easy. And this is the problem with people taking action anyway. But the people that have done stuff kind of go, Oh, I just kind of did this. And I did that. And it wasn’t as hard as I thought, because you’ve already done it. But it didn’t fall into place. You actually had to go there, you had to talk to people, you had to write the emails, you had to source out the amount of money that is going to cost you probably had to talk to agents, you had to do all these things. But once you achieve it, it becomes a bit more flippin, doesn’t it, it becomes a bit easier. Yeah.
Leo Prince [34:53]
I think you forget the hours you’ve put into something and yeah, you’re very right. I’ve completely glossed over half of the the work, you know, having to get my web server up and get a website together. Contacting all the people that I need to contact. Yeah, you completely right. I’ve completely skipped over that. Because to me, it was something that I just had to do. So as it byproducts, it I don’t even mention it because it yeah, it just happened. But yeah, there’s quite a few steps involved. And there’s quite a few headaches along the way.
David Ralph [35:27]
So So what would you have done differently, but somebody out there thinking that they want to set up their own music seminar on the island of Bora Bora a lot enough away from us. So there’s no competition?
Leo Prince [35:39]
Well, I’m not worried about competition, because I’ve got my own unique view on things. So
David Ralph [35:44]
there you go. You see, copy away, it doesn’t really make any difference. So don’t be one step ahead. So net market up like iTunes, have you done this same yours? So um, what what kind of advice would you give to, to them?
Leo Prince [35:58]
I think having your vision first before anything, just to say I want to put seminars, give is fine. But you got to know what is that what’s actually going to happen? You got to know what needs to happen before you can start the ball rolling. So you need to speak to the right people and get get things confirmed or even pencilled in not necessarily locked down completely. But just make sure the date you want things are going to be available, and that you’ll be able to pull it off if everything goes to plan. And if it doesn’t, you have to have another plan.
David Ralph [36:30]
And was the vision? Was it how it made you feel, because when I started getting this show together, I had not a vision, I had a feeling and I kind of knew what I wanted to achieve. And I couldn’t almost put it into words, it was just something that I wanted to do. I felt it deep down and was your vision. But you could see the room, you could see how it was set up. And the artists were going to be standing at one in blah, blah, blah, or was Yep, just what you wanted to bring to the audience how you wanted to inspiration you wanted, but their minds would expand that kind of vibe.
Leo Prince [37:05]
It To be completely honest, all I did was think about what I would want if I went to an event. And that’s what I plan to deliver. So being someone that’s been stuck in our creative rut before, for quite a few years, I know that literally just speaking, some 10 minutes can take you out of that. And I’m planning the whole day of it. So people can go out and take notes and think about things in ways of maybe never looked at it before. Or maybe they’ve been stuck in a cycle without changing anything and thinking it’s going to change which is all absolute madness, really. If you don’t change something, nothing can ever different can ever happen. So I just sensed what needed to be what the event needed to be about. And what I expected to see if I was someone who’s paying to go to that event.
David Ralph [38:00]
A couple of episodes, well, three episodes ago was DJ crust on episode 153, who was on the show. And he was a fascinating guy. And he was a guy who had deeper musical leanings, but also teach, he wanted to teach. He wanted to inspire. He wanted to balance up his life equally on what was created for him and also getting people to buy into that very much like we’re doing and I’m doing, but there’s a better life. And he was a fascinating person. So what’s he going to bring to your seminar?
Leo Prince [38:39]
He, we’ve crushed he is one of the people you know him better than me. I call him
David Ralph [38:45]
Leo Prince [38:46]
You just go Yeah, yeah, no, you just go? Is he someone who’s had it always been super famous and a lot of money travelled around the world. Then one day just woke up and said, What am I going to do now? You know, he wanted to push himself forever. So to have someone like that, for this event is exactly the sort of person that I need to open up people’s minds and show them that they can earn a living or just even happiness out of doing what they really want to do. A lot of people put stops on themselves. I think I couldn’t possibly do that. Because that’s just going to be too much effort or is it wouldn’t work if I did that. And he’s actually capable of unlocking that from people. We’ve literally a couple of a couple of questions. And suddenly you have asked a couple of questions, you will answer your problem. without even realising it. You said it, and he will say it back to you. And then you’ve got your answer.
David Ralph [39:46]
I got a musical guru, and he comes out with amazing questions. And he kind of poses them rather strangely. But he says things like, are you never gonna give it up? Are you never gonna let you down? You Never gonna run around the desert you? And I think that kind of depth. That’s the kind of thing that would inspire? Wouldn’t you want somebody like that your seminar?
Leo Prince [40:09]
That sounds really like Rick, Ashley, dad,
David Ralph [40:12]
he’s back. He’s back in my mind. He’s back there. But now that would be good when they if he just walked on, and he started singing that would make this show brilliant one there are leave that one to you. You can copy my idea and do it rehash Lee, that’s, that’s yours, David, keep it you’re not going to be swung is you’re not going to be well. So So you’ve now got this vision, the show is on the eighth of November 2014 in Milton Keynes. And people can start connecting on the show notes to get tickets? Because we have we’re launching? What is it first of October last? What day is today? So its first of October. So it was a month or so until the big event? And then what’s your plan for the next one being because I’m intrigued Bobby, because you are taking so much action. And at the beginning of the show you was very humble about it. And it was kind of like, Oh, I don’t know if I should even be on this show. And I’ll be honest listeners, I’ve kind of bullied him into it. And I said I would go for him with a stick if he doesn’t come on the show. And he was saying I’ve got nothing really to offer. But the fact that he’s done so much already. And he’s already planning for the next bit. That’s a lot to be offered, isn’t it?
Leo Prince [41:26]
Yeah, for for the next one that’s going to be based around, this one’s actually based around a certain genre of music, and next one is going to be more? Well. It’s not based around genre music, the people that there happens to be from a certain genre of music. But the next one will be bigger with sort of workshops going on. So there’ll be presentations happening, but at the same time people can go to other rooms, and actually learn not quite one to one, but maybe five to 110 to one with with expert who can help them work through some some issues or teach them new skills.
David Ralph [42:06]
It sounds brilliant, it sounds beyond brilliant, are they’re not these things all over the place already. Because just you talking about it, I think that’d be amazing. You walk into a room, and you’ve got 10 minutes or 20 minutes or half hour with somebody who really knows their stuff. And they are a foot away from you. And you’re asking them direct questions. I mean, you go to another room, and you learn some new technique or whatever. That just seems so great. I can’t imagine that there’s not these places all over the shop.
Leo Prince [42:38]
There possibly is. But I haven’t haven’t found any structures in the way that I’m envisioning it. But a lot of them are very expensive, very big companies, people like Red Bull music have it they have a yearly event where people go and stay somewhere for two weeks. But it costs a lot of money. And it takes a lot to get in you have to go through all sorts of application processes. With this, it will just be you pay your money, you turn up on the date, and then you get access to all the knowledge and wealth of information that will be in the building.
David Ralph [43:12]
It sounds it sounds superb. And I really from the bottom of my heart. Now I’m going to take that back. I don’t wish you the best of luck, because I know it’s going to go well anyway. Because you’ve set it up. You’ve got your structure. So you got your marketing, you’ve got some great, well, almost great guests, you could have had a better one. It’s it’s never
Leo Prince [43:33]
if anyone goes if anyone gets ill, then we can always give Rick a call
David Ralph [43:37]
or come and do it. Yeah, exactly. Oh, there we go. You walk into a room and I show you how to do a podcast on a shoestring.
Leo Prince [43:46]
Exactly. Well, that could be one of the skills we have in one of the rooms at the next event. So there you go. I’ll be
David Ralph [43:51]
there. I will be there doing it live rocking and rolling and doing scratchy stuff on turntables and things like
Leo Prince [43:59]
you have to bring your record player we’re here. What can we what can we do?
David Ralph [44:03]
That sounded almost lived in it.
Are you impressed? Sorry, Are you stressed?
Leo Prince [44:08]
I’m choking choking on my water there. Sorry. What can we go?
David Ralph [44:11]
Brilliant. Right. Okay, so this is the end of the show. And I was going to play the Steve Jobs Beach bow. I’m going to skip over that because I’m more interested about you and how you have moved on from that young whippersnappers. We say in the United Kingdom, but no one in America will understand what that means. But a young kid running around trying to get he’s a vinyl from Wembley, stadium markets and all that kind of stuff. So this is the end of the show. And this is the bit when I play the tune, and I send you back in time. And if you could have a one on one with your younger self, Leah, what age would you choose? And what would you say? Well, we’re going to find out because you’re up and this is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [44:57]
Here we go. With the best bit of the show.
Leo Prince [45:15]
Hello, 10 year old Leo, I would say to you that you hate school, which I can understand. You don’t really see the point in learning about math or English because you’re 10 years old, and you don’t see the point. But I would say to you to make the most of it while you’re there. And once you leave school, don’t just go and get a job. Find what you really want to do with your life. And don’t wait until you’re 34 before you find that thing that you want. Simple as that really
David Ralph [45:52]
do do. Do you reckon that that is a message not just to the young Leo, but to everyone?
Leo Prince [45:58]
Yeah, I think the school I’ve heard lots of your guests say this as well. But I’ve actually believed this for years, the school system doesn’t cater for people’s creativity very well. They think they do by doing performance and stuff like that. But there are some people that you’re wasting your time trying to get them to do academic stuff when they want to do something more creative. And yeah, I I truly believe that. We need some way of kids being able to go and learn something they love doing, because why bother just learning something and not going to use?
David Ralph [46:34]
I believe that totally. And yeah, in many of the conversations, we’ve had that theme come up time and time again. And I just feel like they should make inspiration, inspiration and education, combine it together. Definitely. And even if you come out, not knowing binary, or mixing fractions, I never use extraction. My
Leo Prince [46:55]
son’s nine is doing fractions. Now I couldn’t even help him have all these homework.
David Ralph [47:00]
The thing is, though, that your kids come up to you, and they expect you to know everything. And you want them to think that you know everything because you’re a parent. And you look at the homework that is set for a nine year old. And you kind of go I should do this easily. But God when was the last time I did mixed fractions, you know, really hard, isn’t it? What they tried to Friday? Yeah,
Leo Prince [47:20]
it is. And and I think some of them. A lot of the time this schools haven’t taught the kids well enough to even be able to do that work. So to expect them to be able to go home and do it on their own. You know, there’s some some kids can but I reckon quite few of them can’t be honest.
David Ralph [47:36]
My kids used to come home and go, dad, could you help me with the homework? And I say Yeah, what’s the homework and I go, we want to make Viking bread. And I go, okay, when’s this gonna be done by? Are we going to take it in tomorrow? What what? How can you do that? I’m you know, how can you prepare that? Or the other thing, they will come out and they would come up with like fractions or binary or something like that. And I, I’d say to him, when when did you learn this? And I went us afternoon. I went, well, I learned this 30 years ago, and you expect me to know better than you notice afternoon? That’s got to be something wrong in the education system. If you can’t remember, from quarter past three to half past four. Where’s it going wrong?
Leo Prince [48:20]
I have that sort of conversation on a daily basis.
David Ralph [48:23]
We’re kindred spirits. Leo. Leo. How can our audience connect with you, sir?
Leo Prince [48:30]
Well, the main place our website if you go to reroute music.com. If you’re American reroute music.com. I believe that’s how they say it in America. They talk. They talk funny over
David Ralph [48:41]
there. We say this because we’re two Englishman living together. Yeah, but we’re not living today that would be struggling. And we’re not that friendly. Also on twitter at reroute music, and on Facebook, we’ve got a group that is a long winded name. So if you just search for reroute music.com on Facebook, you should be able to find our group, we will have all the links on the show notes me. So thank you so much for spending time with us today, joining up those dots. And please come back again when you have more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining those dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures Leo prints. Thank you so much. Thank you.
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David Ralph [49:53]
You know, I felt like I’m because you bought the show it ended But no, it’s me again. Can you do me a favour, I’m really looking for some five star ratings and reviews on iTunes. It really is the Rocket Power that pushes you up. I haven’t wanted to ask before because he felt a little bit embarrassed about it. But now is the time that I need to make the move. So if you love the show, and you’ve loved listening to it as much as I love doing it for you go over to iTunes and look for David Ralph, Join Up Dots and all the reviews will be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much for everything you do. Thank you so much for simply listening. But if you could do this as well. Wow, we’re going to be we’re going to be mates forever. Thanks very much. Bye bye.