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Introducing Leslie Samuel
Leslie Samuel is todays guest, ready to be interviewed on the Join Up Dots podcast.
Mr Samuel is someone who when you were at school you would have loved to have as your teacher
He makes learning cool, and fun, and has a desire to teach in new and exciting ways.
So what makes him unique, at least to my awareness of such folk, and brings him on to a show like Join Up Dots?
Well, unlike many of the people around the world that specialise in education and particularly biology, Leslie has gone online and created a world that can bring his passions to the widest audience ever.
Using state of the art video, and podcasting equipment he inspires and educates from a far.
Many of the visitors to his site, comment that he has taught them more in a hour than weeks in a stuffy old classroom.
How The Dots Joined Up for Leslie
So how has it done it, and so successfully?
How has this Leslie Samuel from the island of St Maarteen in the Caribbean created an income and career that is built purely on his passions.
And why the hell did he leave St Maarteen??
Come on beach, sand, laptop what more can you want?
Well let’s bring onto the show to start joining up dots, as we discuss the words of Steve Jobs with the one and only Leslie Samuel.
During the show we discussed such weighty topics such as:
How fear of failure is the thing that stops us from achieving what we deserve in life!
Why he remembers pushing himself too hard in his desire to create an online business!
How getting into a mastermind with super successful folk is a fast-track to success!
How he wants to be the best person that he can be!
How he likes to be naked when recording an episode of a podcast!
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Audio Transcription Of Leslie Samuel Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Hello, everybody out there in internet land. How are we? How are we today? Episode 40 of Join Up Dots and I’ve woken up in a good mood today. And I’ve been I’ve had this urge to Limbo dance and run around naked on No, I haven’t really well might do just a little bit. And it’s not a surprise because today’s guest is somebody who brings all that out of me. He is someone who, when you were at school you would have loved to have as your teacher he makes learning cool and fun. And as a designer to teach in new and exciting ways. So what makes him unique, at least when is of such evoking brings him onto a show like Join Up Dots? Well, unlike many of the people around the world that specialise in education, and particularly biology, today’s guest has gone online and created a world that can bring his passions to the widest audience ever. Using state of the art video and podcasting equipment. He inspires and educates from afar, many of the visitors to the site comment, but he’s talking more than an hour, Ben weeks in a stuffy old classroom. So how has he done it? And so successfully? How has this man from the island of St. Martin in the Caribbean created an income and career that is built purely on his passions? And of course, why the hell did he leave the Caribbean? So come on beach, sand laptop? What more can you want? So let me introduce to you as we discuss his life failures and successes. And of course, Join Up Dots with the one and only Leslie Samuel. How are you today? Leslie?
Leslie Samuel [1:57]
Dude, I’m dying over here. I’m trying to contain my last laughter because you’re doing such an awesome job with a production. I didn’t want to mess it up. I’m doing well, man. How you doing?
David Ralph [2:06]
I’m always Well, I was born. Well, I think that’s awesome. I come from that kind of Caribbean vibe. But It’s Always Sunny in my world. And did you have that same kind of positive outlook? Is it a natural thing, because from everything I’ve seen from you online, you literally you literally skip around.
Leslie Samuel [2:27]
You know, it all depends on how you look at it. You know, when I grew up on the island of St. Maarten, it was kind of for me personally, it was kind of like a carefree environment. I mean, I didn’t take too much on I just kind of went with the flow. And I enjoyed my childhood, I can definitely say enjoyed my childhood, I can’t necessarily say that I I grabbed hold of all of the opportunities that will be for me. But I really did have a good time. And you know, life is too short to be just bored or boring. I mean, just just enjoy what you’re doing. And when you can find your passion. I feel like I’m just going on. But when you can find something that you’re passionate about, and you can invest yourself in that it really does give you that enthusiasm and energy and excitement to be able to just just move forward. So yeah, I’m excited. I’m I that’s just life. I just love life.
David Ralph [3:25]
Find your passions. And that was Leslie Samuel, End of Episode 40. We cut to the chase here. On you Island, what opportunities Did you have when you’re running around on an island and now and my mind my knowledge, I live on an island I come from the United Kingdom. It’s quite a big island. But my knowledge of sort of Caribbean islands is Captain jack Sparrow sort of running around. So what kind of opportunities Did you have that you felt that you missed out on when he was a child?
Leslie Samuel [3:55]
Well, you know, I’m just thinking in terms of you know, that as a kid, you go to school, I didn’t really fully take advantage of my education. I didn’t, I didn’t even do homework back in those days. I went to class. And for me, it was just about having fun. It was just about being there being with the people. Yeah, you know, there are these teachers in front of you. And they’re saying stuff and you listen to them sometimes. But yeah, I didn’t really invest myself. And it wasn’t until like way later on that I started to realise, man, you know, there’s something powerful about education. And there’s something powerful about making certain decisions. And it’s when I really started to realise that that things started to change. So in terms of opportunities, it wasn’t as if they were huge opportunities, what I look at every day now as an opportunity, and I had a lot of opportunities back then to learn that I didn’t fully take advantage of.
David Ralph [4:55]
But that’s just being a child, isn’t it, I’ve got a 12 year old son, I like your daughter. And I’ve got three daughters that have grown up now. And I say the same things to them all the time. School is the best time of your life, you go there and you do an hour of something. And then you go and do an hour of something else, and then a break and then an hour something else. And once you go to work, you’re doing the same thing, but eight hours a day. So if I went back to school now, and I’m sure all the adults out there are sitting with it going we would be the best students ever. We know what it’s like in the real world.
Leslie Samuel [5:30]
Exactly. That that’s really what it’s about. And but for and for me. I that’s that was me. I didn’t I just I just wanted to have fun. I took it maybe to a little bit of an extreme. But, you know, I’d say it’s a part of growing up, I learned a lot still, in those experiences and a lot that happened back then have really shaped and moulded who I am today.
David Ralph [5:50]
Did you have a favourite teacher when he was at school? But you you look back on now and you think Yeah, a lot of what I do in my life, I do look back to that one person.
Leslie Samuel [6:02]
What if I have to think of one I think of one of my high school teachers, his name was Monette. I’m switching to Dutch Mr. Blank and now. And because I went to school in Dutch, the language of instruction was Dutch. And he just really believed in me. And to this day, he’s still asking my mom, how’s Leslie doing? How’s Leslie doing? So, you know, he taught he taught me physics and math. And it wasn’t necessarily about the physics and math, it was just about the belief that this guy is going to amount to something that was significant to me. So that’s the first person that comes to mind.
David Ralph [6:43]
You don’t need a lot in your life, do you to actually start to have that self competence. I always call it a Dumbo magic feather. Jim, remember the film Dumbo, when he had a little black feather. And when he had that in his trunk, he could fly. But when dropped here, he was suddenly plummeting to his death until the little mouse was saying you can fly, you can fly, you don’t need this magic feather. But as we’re growing up, most of us need that magic fair. But don’t wait just until we find ourselves and we start to actually gain that belief that yes, we can actually fly. We’ve got the talents already. We just need to flap our ears and away we go.
Leslie Samuel [7:21]
That that’s exactly it. And some of us actually never realise it realise that. And as a result of that we miss out on so many different opportunities. And and if we were just to realise that, yes, we can do this. You’d be surprised at what could happen.
David Ralph [7:36]
What do people need? Leslie? Obviously, you’re in education. So you see people come pass you a lot. You’re also in the online world. And so you must see a lot of people coming to your presentations, and your seminars and your classes who are trying to find their way or trying to find something that resonates both with their passions, and their ability to bring in income. So what do you think actually does hold people back more than anything? Is there anything that you can subject generically? This is it?
Leslie Samuel [8:06]
You know, I think a big part of it is fear of failure. Because there’s something about failure that we’re extremely uncomfortable with, it makes us feel bad about ourselves. It makes us you know, sometimes self conscious, it makes us worry, you know, am I dumb? Am I stupid, that it does so many things to us that we’re uncomfortable to venture into the unknown, we’re uncomfortable to step outside of our comfort zone. It’s because we’re afraid. And and here’s the thing, right? I don’t know that there’s anyone that doesn’t experience fear anyone that’s successful today. It’s not that I don’t think it’s, they’re successful, because, you know, they were fearless all the way through. But it’s more of, you know, they’re afraid. But they know that in order to accomplish their goals, they have to face those fears. I mean, just last week, I’m in the process right now of leaving my job. I’m a university professor, and June 30 is my last day. And I’m leaving that secure job to pursue entrepreneurship. And, and last week, I’m an anatomy professor. And I spearhead I was one of the guys that spearheaded the building of a brand new anatomy lab, state of the art lab, it is just awesome. And last week, I walked into the lab, knowing that, you know, it’s almost finished. And just as it’s almost finished, I am leaving. So I’m not going to be there to experience it. And then I went to our faculty meeting. And as much as I hate meetings, I love our faculty meeting, because it’s kind of like a family, we get together, we solve problems, we have fun and all that stuff. And it’s been really a great environment. And then all of a sudden, I just started to think about, you know, am I crazy? What am I doing, I’m leaving a secure job as a professor, I didn’t even deserve this job in the first place. And now I’m I’m venturing into something that’s entrepreneurship that people that fail at it, the people that succeed at it, what makes me think that I can just leave all of this behind and become successful. And I was struck with fear. And I think a lot of us get in that mode. But the problem is that we stay there, as opposed to looking at fear straight in the eyes and said, You know what, I can do this, and I will do it. So you know, I think fear is a big thing. It paralyses us.
David Ralph [10:32]
But it also forces us on to improve, doesn’t it? You know, Oh, definitely one of the reasons why my introductions are quite in depth is because you’re now 48th episode, and I’ve done about 62 Actually, I’ve recorded and literally every single one as I go record, I think, Oh my god, am I going to be able to have a conversation here are we going to connect is it’s going to be awful is especially gonna hate me, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I do these quite like long introductions, which kind of warms me up as I’m doing it. And it’s funny as same thing, I used to be a trainer and do training courses. And I used to always practice my first line. And I could be in the room for maybe 1015 minutes, even if it was a course that I’d done 100 times before, it was always that first line. But I know if I got that went away, I could go. But I think the fear, I think the fear is the thing that really raises your game. And as long as you can control that fear being you can do great stuff. I would hate to be sitting here thinking, Lewis last December muted, I can just press record and away I go. Because it probably I have actually I don’t know. But um, it would be would be terrible. I don’t think I would be the same person. If I was just totally relaxed. Some people can do that. I can’t
Leslie Samuel [11:53]
you know it. That’s an interesting concept, because and I agree with you. Because if you’re never afraid of something, it means that you’re just sitting within your comfort zone. And if you’re constantly within your comfort zone, you’re not going to accomplish anything significant. And that’s one of the more when I was experiencing what I experienced last week, I decided to record a podcast episode on how to overcome fear. And by the time I finished preparing for that podcast episode, I was so pumped, I was so ready. And I looked at my fear, I faced it, I reasoned myself through it. And then I came out victorious on the other end. That fear tells me, you know, I’m doing something that’s just, that’s just a bit beyond what I’m comfortable with. And the more we can do that, the more we can push ourselves to be in that space, the more we can accomplish great things. So I definitely think just like when you say just know that fear can be something that fuels us, as opposed to something that holds us back.
David Ralph [12:57]
Please tell me Leslie that your alarm clock in the morning goes on.
Unknown Speaker [13:05]
That’s a good idea.
David Ralph [13:06]
If you had Rocky pushing you on you could achieve anything. Can you with that? Oh, yeah.
Leslie Samuel [13:12]
And Rocky was the man. When he was moving
David Ralph [13:15]
man, I was talking to a chap, it was going to be Episode 50. And I was just recording him just before we started this one I do sort of blocks of them in one go. And he was talking about a line in Rocky six Rocky Balboa. And I don’t know if you’ve seen all the films but they had their I have, there’s certain ones that you go classics and others like sort of Rocky five, you can sort of let that go. And it’s kind of hard to move on. But I think Rocky six Rocky Balboa is a very good one. And there’s a line in it, that Rocky is talking to his son. And he says to assembler is not about how hard you can hit. It’s about how how hard you can take a hit and keep on moving forward in life. And it’s you know, that is so powerful, isn’t it?
Leslie Samuel [14:00]
It really is man because you know how many times his life hand us the I mean, it comes at us and it’s like punching us in the face. But if you can take that and still move on, man, you can accomplish some great things.
David Ralph [14:17]
Can you remember a time when maybe emotionally physically or whatever, that you were punched really hard in the face. And you went back on your heels and thought I’m just gonna lay down here for a while, but you actually got up and carried on moving.
Leslie Samuel [14:32]
Man, I can remember a number of times the one that comes to mind. Like, just immediately, is when I first started getting into internet marketing back in two, I started in 2008. And I’ve been going for maybe about a year and 2009 I just got so overwhelmed. Because I was working so hard. I had a full time job teaching at a boarding Academy. So I’m teaching at this high school, when you’re at a boarding Academy, the students live there. So you are their teachers, you’re their parents, you’re everything you provide the the the social activities for them, you do everything. And when I wasn’t doing that I was working on my online business. And they reached to the point where, you know, I was so overwhelmed. Because I’m spending so much time trying to do this business thing trying to do my job. I’m the collecting my wife, I’m neglecting everything, all of the personal stuff, you know, I’m not taking care of my health. It literally was to the, to the point where I felt like it was an inconvenience to have to leave my computer to go and get food because it had so much that I needed to do. And at a certain point, you know, I just burnt out and I had this it that just wasn’t working for me because that’s not the kind of person that I am. And I just said, You know what, forget this, I am done. And from one day, the next I just stopped everything. I stopped blogging, I stopped marketing, I stopped doing anything that was relevant to my business, I just fell off the face of the planet. When it comes to what I was doing online. It was tough. It was tough. And and in that process, I learned a lot. What the first thing that really surprised me was that I stopped. But then I continued to make money. And at that point, I’m like, wait a minute, whoa, I’m not doing anything. Why is money still coming in? This doesn’t make any sense. All this time before I felt like I had to work constantly and constantly and constantly. And you know, I wasn’t really fully thinking about it. But I was setting certain systems up in place. And those systems would run to a certain extent even when I’m not doing anything. And that’s exactly what happened. So at a certain point, after maybe two months of just sitting back and not doing anything, I said, You know what, I’m going to get back at this, but I can’t go back at it the way I was doing it before, I have to be more strategic. And I started to think through the things that I needed to do different and I started to do those things different. And and the rest is history. I mean, I’ve grown so much from them. I’ve grown so much in that experience. But I learned some valuable lessons. through that experience. Do you
David Ralph [17:29]
think that dark periods in your life are the they turn out to be the positives, because I’ve been having numerous conversations with people, but they I call it the Big Dot, that the theme of the show is Join Up Dots when you look back on your life, and you can sort of connect the steps that led you to where you are. But for most of us, there’s a big dot. And it seems to me that most of us that big document really pushes us on is actually when it’s been a bad period of our life, or we been in an area of failure or mentally we’ve been corrupt and bankrupt. Easy. Do you feel the same? Was that a moment where you look back on it and go Okay, I know I was coming to peace pulled into pieces. I know, I was putting too much strain on my relationships, my work, my whatever. But actually, I wouldn’t be where I am now. Without that.
Leslie Samuel [18:22]
You know, I think I think it doesn’t have to be a negative thing. It doesn’t have to be a dark period. I think oftentimes it is. But when I think when I think back, there were a bunch of positive things that resulted in a significant amount of success, a significant amount of learning, I think you can learn from anything, not just that you can look at people that are doing things the right way and get tremendous insight from those individuals. So I don’t know that it has to be negative, I think oftentimes it is negative. And sometimes those negative things from with us in a situation where, you know, we’re desperate. And because we’re desperate, we have to it’s it’s no longer an option, we have to take certain actions. I think that’s one of the reasons why it’s so significant, you know, when I think I’m leaving my job, and at the end of June, and that can go very poorly. However, that’s going to put me in a situation where I am desperate. It’s not you know if my business makes money this month is ok. Know, if my business doesn’t make money that month, we don’t
Unknown Speaker [19:35]
eat. Yeah. And that is
Leslie Samuel [19:38]
significant. So I think sometimes those negative experiences bring about a feeling of desperation, to where there is no other option, but to grab success, and just do what needs to be done to make that happen to make success a reality.
David Ralph [19:57]
You were saying there’s certain people that you look at an unusual benchmark yourself against their success. Obviously, in the online world, where are certain names about become very famous. But if you speak to the man industry, they haven’t heard of him at all. So can you pick up pick somebody up online, and somebody sort of offline but you look at and go, yes, if I could only get somewhere near them, I think I’m achieving my aim.
Leslie Samuel [20:25]
Oh, man, it’s hard to pick one because I honestly have a number of mentors. I’m in a mastermind group right now with, with guys like Pat Flynn, and Cliff ravens craft and Michael stills in there, and Mark Mason. And these guys have really been, it’s hard to look at one of them. And say, this is like the reason why I’m moving forward. Because we get together once a week that really helps me to move in the right direction. When I think about Pat Flynn, if I had to choose one Pat Flynn, because that been following what he’s been doing for a while, you know, just to see what he’s been doing and the level of integrity that he brings to everything that he’s doing, that’s pretty inspirational. So that that’s one person that I would think of, in terms of online in terms of offline, one of the people that have really been an inspiration to me, is going to have to be my dad. And the reason for that is because of how diligent he was at the work that he felt he needed to do. And, and because of that there was no compromise. He just continued working, oftentimes, too hard. But his determination, his stick to it business is really inspiring to me. And I strive to have that in my personal now. You know, I started off in the younger years not being very much like that. But over time, I’ve really grown to become more and more like him. So he would be the person that I would pick in terms of offline.
David Ralph [22:12]
We can’t fail to become that. Can we? I now show even look in the mirror and think oh my god, I look like my dad. And I say things that my dad says and I spent a lot of time do that. And I just don’t think you can you can stop that. It’s just natural, isn’t it? We are going to become adults.
Leslie Samuel [22:32]
It’s scary how that happens. But you know, it does happen? It certainly does.
David Ralph [22:38]
Pat Flynn. I don’t want to make this the Pat Flynn fan club. But he is he’s really regarded Well, isn’t he? So many people who I’ve been talking to have mentioned him as as the top of the pole that the one that they’re aiming for. And for people that don’t know about Patreon, I’m not going to talk about it. Now you can go on to Smart Passive income. And you can look up a storey and it’s fascinating. But the thing that you touched on, which is absolutely true. And I think it’s what most entrepreneurs, certainly nowadays are discovering that the more you give back, the more value the more transparency you have. The ultimate win will come to you quicker, which certainly wasn’t the case. You know, years ago, I used to work in sales up in London. And pretty much Leslie Don’t tell anyone is we just say anything to get a sale. And we you know, it was just how many sales? Have you go, and we would lie to customers, we would do anything, you know, shocking now, but it was of its time. Now you can’t get away with that you’ve got to go the Pat Flynn route, haven’t you?
Leslie Samuel [23:47]
Yeah, you know, I think there are different routes to it. But I think that the whole being transparent, being helpful being being real, I think that’s that’s almost essential. These days, some people you know, are able to be successful without it. So I don’t want to make it seem as if it’s the only way to go. But in my opinion, it’s the best way to go. And looking at guys like Pat Flynn is not like you’re saying, Man, if I could be like Pat Flynn, because that’s the wrong thing to say. But you can you can look at what he’s doing. And you can learn from it. And as a result, you can be a better you. And that’s the thing a lot of us try to say, you know, I see what Pat is doing, I see what cliff is doing, I see what these guys are doing. I want to do, just like what they’re doing. And you know, there’s something about that you lose your identity in that and you don’t really stand out because there’s so many people trying to do that. You know, when I when I first launched it was actually a relaunch my Become A Blogger premium course, if you were to look at the videos that I made it sound like one of my mentors at the time was Gideon Chadwick. He’s from Australia. And I look learned a lot from him about video marketing. If you were to look at my earlier videos, it sounded like Gideon Shandwick with a Caribbean accent. And, and that’s because I was modelling myself off of what he was doing. Know, over time, I started to find my own voice. And now if you listen to my videos, if you watch my if you you watch my videos, you listen to my content, it sounds like nobody else. Because you know what? It’s me. And, and that’s what we have to learn to do. We have to learn to be the best us that we can be, yes, learning from what other people are doing, but not trying to be them. But trying to to be the best you you can be I keep saying that over again. But I think that’s such a fundamental concept that we have to do, you can’t just do what everybody else is doing. You have to be different.
David Ralph [25:58]
I think no, basically to get going. And this is the way I always do it. So it’s not, you know, it’s not rules. This is my own personal opinion, is you fake it until you make it you pretend I always kind of actor, well, I have two or three people in my head. But I think to myself, where I’m going to take an element of them a little bit of a bit of their competence, put it together and kind of make this hybrid personality, but I can use Ben after a while I suck start to bring elements of myself into it. And it’s like I’m taking off the snakeskin and I sort of shed their personalities. And I find my true self. And certainly when I started off doing training courses and doing presentations in front of people as a young man up in the City of London, I, I had sort of two or three people that I just played. And nobody realised they just thought that was me. But it took quite a while until I could become my unique, authentic self. And once that happens, it kind of blows your mind, it suddenly feels so liberating. But you can just be yourself be totally unique. And people seem to respond to you better, but it blows your mind.
Leslie Samuel [27:15]
Definitely. And I agree with the concept. I don’t like the phrase fake it till you make it. And the reason why I don’t like the phrase is because it makes it sound as if you’re, you’re just being fake. But that’s not really what you’re doing. If you think about what you’re doing, know you’re doing, you’re you’re doing, you’ve studied people that are successful, and you are trying to accomplish those things. So what are you going to do, you’re going to take a little bit from here, you’re going to take a little bit from there, you’re going to take a little bit from there, and you’re going to present the best that you have from the different sources that you’ve gleaned knowledge, when I think about faking it, it’s almost as if you are your trying to be someone that you’re not. And that’s not necessarily what you’re doing. Yes, you’re being influenced by people, we’re all influenced by people. So So I think it’s an interesting way that that happens to where it’s, it’s, it’s it, it’s an evolution of yourself. It’s you, learning to be you. And it sounds weird. But it’s it’s an exciting thing, like you said, it’s an exciting thing when you see it starting to come together. And the more you do it, and that’s the thing. That’s why it’s important to go out there and start doing those presentations, start recording that podcast episode start putting together that content, even if it doesn’t feel like it’s fully you because you have not become fully you as yet when it comes to what you do online. So I think I think it’s a part of the process. And I think it’s a beautiful part of the process. It does not come overnight. And a lot of us expect that. And I think we can do certain things to accelerate the process. But it’s it’s a step by step thing. I mean, I’ve been doing this since 2008. And I’m still reset, I’m still finding out new things about what I really want to do and how I want to do it and how to be myself. I’ve been learning all these years how to be myself. It’s weird. When it doesn’t beautiful process. It is it is
David Ralph [29:24]
totally weird. Because you know, you are Leslie Samuel. And I could hazard a guess you’ve been Leslie Samuel since you were born.
Leslie Samuel [29:31]
And so you’d probably be right, yeah.
David Ralph [29:33]
So you know, I’ve just got a way of thinking these things. But I know you can just progress, progress, progress, progress. But then you kind of start being somebody else. And it is peer pressure, its responsibilities. It’s going into a career, but you’ve only done for financial reasons, which I think most of us have done at some time. But once you do find you, things start to get easy. And I’ve started saying that to people, I use the word easy, loosely. I don’t mean it’s easy, it just becomes smoother. And you find that things are playing around you, which may be you wouldn’t have had before and you wouldn’t have had the competence because you were, you know, going for the money, I suppose.
Leslie Samuel [30:16]
And you know, what’s the interesting thing about it? Okay, you said that, you know, they’ve been you all your life. And that’s true. I have been me all my life. What you know what, all my life, I have not been behind a microphone inside a room talking into this machine. That adds a different element to it. And it’s, it’s, it’s kind of unnatural. Why in the world am I in front of this, this metal object speaking into it, that’s not what I’ve been doing all my life. So so because you’re adding these other dynamics, it takes a while it takes practice, it takes it takes time to pull that you out so that even though no one is in front of me right now. I’m literally still moving my hands and showing you something even though you can’t see it. But that was not the case. In the beginning. You learn how to do it.
David Ralph [31:08]
It is weird. I use my hands a lot. And we’re talking over Skype. And yeah, it’s like a windmill in front of me. And I can’t stop myself. And there’s no reason for me to be doing this in any shape or form. And I’ve just got a picture of the Leslie handsome chap is he is smiling. But it has not moved in 38 minutes. And he is kind of weird, isn’t it? How you can do that? Because if I sit on the phone, I don’t think I’m waving my arms as much as I do on on a podcast. You just seem to? I don’t know, you seem to present a bigger version of yourself, but hopefully comes across to the person you’re talking to. And the audience as well.
Leslie Samuel [31:48]
Exactly, exactly. And I find you have to overcompensate, because nobody’s seen me right now. If you’re seeing me and I was talking, I could be a little more, you know, monotonous. I could be a little more boring, quite frankly. But but because you’re not seeing because you’re not seeing my gestures. You have to infuse my gestures and what I’m saying so that you can feel as if you’re here with me, because you can’t see that I’m in my
David Ralph [32:15]
Leslie Samuel [32:18]
you can’t see that I’m naked. Oh, wait.
David Ralph [32:21]
Hang on a moment. Hang on a moment. They’re coming off the coming off. Well, we’re both naked.
Unknown Speaker [32:26]
Oh, wow, this is awkward. Well,
David Ralph [32:27]
an awful thought for the listeners. I do apologise if you’re having your breakfast we do you halfway through that mouth mouth full of cornflakes and you’ve splattered them across the kitchen. I do apologise. I do apologise. I’m learning I’m learning as we go. It’s a segue actually into the learning process. Because the theme of the show is joining up the dots when we look back on the stumbles, the falls, the the trust that we have to happen ourselves. And at this point in the show that I always play the iconic Steve Jobs speech, which I’m going to now so I’m just going to pull you down, I’m gonna bring Steve on to the show. And then afterwards, Leslie, I’m just gonna ask your feelings of his words, whether they’re relevant to you whether they’re relevant to everyone, or maybe, as we’ve heard from some guests, but he doesn’t believe them at all. So I’m going to play this, and then we’re going to find out what you think.
Steve Jobs [33:17]
Awesome, of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [33:52]
What you think, sir?
Leslie Samuel [33:55]
Man, those are some powerful words. You know, because when I look back back at, yeah, this journey that I’ve been on, especially in the last few years, but I mean, it can extend to the beginning of my life. There’s so many places where the dots didn’t seem to make sense at the time. But in retrospect, man, it all comes together. I’ve been a university professor for the last three years. And the way I got the job didn’t even make sense to the average person that’s listening to the storey because, you know, I’m teaching in a doctoral programme, you’re required to have a PhD, I don’t even have a PhD, and I’m teaching students that are going to be doctors. I’m teaching anatomy, I’ve never taken anatomy. And these are teaching people that are going to be doctors, doctors, a physical therapy, anatomy, and we’re dice. This is going to sound gross to a lot of people, but we’re dissecting cadavers. I’ve never seen a cadaver before starting this job. How in the world that get this job?
David Ralph [35:00]
I don’t even know what that is. It sounds like a magic word.
Leslie Samuel [35:04]
A cadaver a dead person? Oh, is it? Yeah, it is. That that’s why I’m turning off some people right now. But the the the the thing is, the reason, or the main thing that got me this job was this blog that I started about biology. And when they saw that, they were amazed, and they wanted to give me the opportunity. Then I started to teach there, I teaching I’m teaching anatomy, I’m teaching pathophysiology, never taught took it teaching neuroscience. And and, and I’m learning all these things, and then teaching it immediately. And now I’m leaving my job. And as I’m leaving my job, I’m wondering if I’m making the right decision to leave my job teaching these things that I’m teaching. And just as I’m making that decision, I get approached by I don’t know if you know, of Khan Academy, but they do a lot of online instruction. And they wanted me to create pathophysiology videos. Now, I would know nothing about pathophysiology, if I would if I had not been been a professor teaching pathophysiology for the last three years. And I would not have been a professor teaching pathophysiology for the last three years, if I didn’t start my biology blog a few years before that. So all these little things that is it, you know, let me try this blog. Let me try this, let me try that. And it, you don’t really see necessarily where it’s going to end up. But in retrospect, it all comes together. And and forms this beautiful storey that is kind of like, you know, what, if I were to go back, maybe I wouldn’t have changed anything. Because if I change things, then maybe I would not be where I am today. So you know, it’s, it’s just interesting to kind of look back and see how things connect.
David Ralph [36:54]
I’m at a point in my life now. But when I joined up my dots, it’s a straight line, it really is a straight line. And I have made mistakes, I’ve gone into jobs I didn’t want to do just for the money. I’ve done loads of different things. But I look back on it now. And even what I’m doing now, podcasting, I was making training videos, I was a trainer, and I was in an office where they were saying to me, I want you to do this training course over here. And I want you to do that training course over there. And I want you to do and I was saying that there’s only one of me, I can’t I can’t be in all places at once. So I started making these sort of in house videos, where I would record the subject, make the little video and then that could be being shown while I was doing something else. Now I look back on it. And I think, Oh my god, I was just I was making podcasts, I didn’t realise it at the time, I was just, you know, doing something to make it easier. And it is it’s a it’s a weird thing when you look back on it. And I know not everyone’s going to say that, you know, somebody is probably sitting on death row at the moment going, I can’t see where my dots joined up at all. But for the majority of people, I would say there’s an absolute truth in what Steve Job said.
Leslie Samuel [38:02]
Most definitely, I definitely agree with that. And, you know, when you think about that, it makes you look forward to the future. Because then you can look back and connect even more dots. And to me, it’s a beautiful thing, where’s your future going them
David Ralph [38:17]
because I’m kind of fascinated with the online world, because a lot of people as you say you’re getting passive income coming in, which means through affiliate marketing or creating products, you can literally go to bed and wake up richer than you went asleep, which is which is mind blowing, he does it. So it still sends shivers down my spine when I think God people are sending work out to work for them. And so that they can, you know, sit there with their children and their wives and watch some Telly whilst they’re making an income. But a lot of people have the online thing to complement their work. And you would think in many ways when once they’ve gone through the effort of building it, then they could focus in on their career, their their nine to five, whilst the other thing is bringing in money, and then they could be twice as rich. But it seems to be they get to a certain point. And you’re getting to this point now. And I’ve gone through that point where you actually go, No, I don’t actually want to be twice as rich, I want to be creating something that is totally unique to myself.
Leslie Samuel [39:22]
That and that’s exactly it. So to answer your question in terms of what the future looks like, for me, to a certain extent, I don’t know. I’m on an adventure right now. And it’s an exciting adventure. It’s a scary adventure, I do know that I want to build more than just a blog more than just, you know, I don’t want to be known as just the blogger, I want to be known as the person that has built up a massive organisation that is very much into helping others through education, whether that is education, in the field of biology, or education in field of building your blog, your business, your platform, all of that I want to be the person, I want to be a person that is very much into doing that. Because I believe the more I can help people, whether it’s through biology, or helping others that have their passions that they want to share with the world, the more I can do that the more change I can bring about in this world. And that is really what I’m passionate about.
David Ralph [40:26]
Would you like to get to the point going back to Pat Flynn, somebody said to me the other day, it was a political Sean Ralston. And I’m trying to see what episode he was no, I can’t quite see at the moment. It was somewhere in the 20s. And he said to me, what he wants to be is like Pat Flynn, where people say, Pat, and you know who they’re talking about? And you could be right I couldn’t you because you’re in such a club, and 28 he was he’s Episode 28. If anyone wants to look back, and you’re in such a sort of niche world, where I can imagine there’s lots of people doing what you’re doing. So you could become Leslie, can you were people just go check out Leslie’s work.
Unknown Speaker [41:06]
Oh, I love Leslie, he’s
David Ralph [41:07]
Leslie Samuel [41:09]
You know, I think to a certain extent, that’s unavoidable because especially within the biology field that is happening. I mean, when you get my biology blog right now is getting about 60 something thousand people a month. That’s not huge by some standards, but it’s something that is continuing to grow. And as I continue to do that, you know, more and more people are going to recognise my name, that’s just a fact. The thing is, that’s not why I’m doing it.
Honestly, I, I don’t know that I care that much. How many people know me.
What I’m committed to is the goal, the goal of helping others. And however that comes about, that’s what I want. However I can, however, I can educate people, that’s what it’s about. And because of the way that I’m doing it, it’s unavoidable. That that’s going to happen unless I fail at it, which best just not happening. So it’s a part of the process. But that’s not the thing that I’m striving for. I know a lot of people but you know, famous something famous is that thing that so many people think they want but they don’t know what they’re asking for. And if what you’re pursuing is the fame. Man, there’s a lot of disappointment that can come along with that for me, I don’t, I honestly don’t need to be known. I, to a certain extent, don’t feel like I need to be heard. But I feel like the message needs to be heard. And because of that, I will be heard.
Delivering that message. I don’t know if that makes sense. It makes
David Ralph [42:56]
sense. The way I look at it makes total sense. And I’m I’m really that part of my journey at the moment, I’m building something I know, it’s early days, and I know there’s podcasters out there but you know, have been doing it two or three years, and I’ve got a huge audience and, and people just naturally gravitate to them. But in my head, at the moment, I almost feel like I wouldn’t care if anyone listens to this, I’m just enjoying talking to Leslie Samuel, I’m enjoying creating something and pushing it out to the world. And I know it will be it’d be amazing when it gets to, you know, thousands and millions and billions and aliens and whoever listens to this podcast, you know, it will be it’d be astonishing, because I’ve started it with just my desire, my passion, my enthusiasm for a conversation. And hopefully that’s enough to sort of take it forward. But it is a it’s a weird thing. Do I want money to come from this? Yes, out of money, because I’ve got to pay for the bills, and I’ve got all that kind of stuff. And if somebody came along to me and said, You know, I’m going to pay you, you know, 100,000 pounds in episode, I’m not gonna say no. But that’s not the part of it, it really isn’t the part of it. And the first time in my life, it’s not the part of it, I don’t care about the money, I just care about the doing. And and I’m kind of struggling with that my wife saying to me, you should be making money off this already. And I’m going, No, I come I come if I provide value to people, and if I provide content that hopefully somebody sitting there is inspired enough to take action, then then it’s going to come isn’t it? If you build it, they will come?
Leslie Samuel [44:36]
Yeah, I believe I believe that we have the ability to make that happen. And and you know that if you build it, they will come? Honestly, I don’t know that. I agree with that.
David Ralph [44:53]
I happen to agree because anything with me young man.
Leslie Samuel [44:56]
I know, right? But the here’s the thing, there’s so many people that have build awesome blogs, awesome podcast, and no one listens to it. And eventually they give up because it’s not reaching anyone. So it’s you know, it’s it’s kind of like a it’s, it’s, it’s a it’s a interesting paradox, or it’s an interesting situation, because, you know, I say I don’t care about being famous, I don’t care about the numbers necessarily. But when you so this is going to sound like I’m contradicting myself. But when you’re when your livelihood starts to depend on things, then it’d be certain things become more important, when this is what’s going to feed my family. Well, you know what the numbers have to be up there. But it’s still not as much, it’s still not my main focus, it has to be a focus, but it’s not my main focus. And, and, you know, to a certain extent, I feel like this thing that I’ve been telling people for the longest, which which is exactly what you’re seeing right now, which makes a lot of sense. Just focus on content and, and providing value and all that stuff. It that’s very important. But there’s something about practising business, from the beginning that I’m starting to unpack now. That seems to be extremely value valuable, because you’re learning these business principles, even when you’re small. And when I say small, I don’t mean in terms of like, you’re not, you’re nobody I’m saying in terms of when your numbers are lower than you hope that they will be in the future. And there’s something about being able to start learning those principles, even then, that I am exploring, it’s kind of too late for me to fully explore it because of how far I’ve reached so far, even with doing what I what, what you just described. But, but there are so many ways that I could have been learning all this time that I have not been learning, because of neglecting to start to think about the business. So that you know it’s it’s it’s it’s it’s it’s a balancing act that you need to figure out because you don’t want to be there just pitching and pitching, because that’s not necessarily valuable. And even if it is valuable, it doesn’t build confidence and trust in you. So there’s a balance that you have to be constantly striving to seek
David Ralph [47:26]
what I want to do now I’m very aware that the time is ticking on, I want to send you back in time to have a one on one with young Leslie and you can choose any Leslie you want, you can choose the Leslie who’s running around America, you can choose Leslie who’s got sand on his feet, and he splashing around in the Caribbean. And what kind of words of wisdom would you give him. So this is the Sermon on the mic. And when the music fades out, you’re on, you’re on the mic
with the best bit of
Unknown Speaker [48:02]
Leslie Samuel [48:16]
So if I were to go back and talk to myself, and you know, I’m going to choose whether it’s running around in America, or back when I was in high school, one of the things that I would tell myself is to stop wasting time. And I say that because I could have been so much farther along. If I started to be serious. And when I say serious, I don’t mean you know, no more jokes and no more having fun and that kind of stuff. I’m gonna continue having fun until the day that I die. But to really start to focus on building something, and I don’t, I didn’t, you don’t necessarily have to know what that is at that at that time. But to be actively pursuing something, as opposed to just letting life just kind of happen. Being more intentional. I wish I was more intentional about my studies. I wish I was more intentional about business. I wish I was more intentional about so many different things. I was intentional about friendships and relationships and having a good time and all that kind of stuff. But I wish there was more balance to that. Because number one, I would have learned so much more. And number two, I would have been so much farther along. So I think that’s the biggest thing for me. I don’t know that I look back and I have a bunch of regrets. But if I were to do it over again, there are some things that I would change.
David Ralph [49:49]
How can people connect with you as the people who were the listeners who have been inspired by your content and want to find out more about you?
Leslie Samuel [49:57]
The best place is to just come to becoming I’m a blogger. com because that’s where I talk about, you know, business and entrepreneurship and blogging, of course, because that’s the name Become A Blogger. com and I’m realising that for me, it’s more than just blogging. It’s about the whole package. My tagline is create content, inspire others and change the world while building your online business. So yeah, if you want to find out more about this kind of stuff, Become A Blogger. com I’m always over there creating content.
David Ralph [50:27]
Let’s see, Sam, you always been an absolute delight having you on the show today. You’ve been open, generous and of course talkative. And whatever happens in your future, please come back and tell us what you’re doing because I believe that our our futures continue to proceed through and that allows us to have more dots to join us. And by joining up our dots and connecting our past we have the best opportunities to build our future. Leslie Samuel,
Leslie Samuel [50:52]
thank you so much. And thank you for having me on. I really enjoyed it and I look forward to coming back in the future.
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