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Introducing Luke Doerner
Luke Doerner is today’s guest joining us on the Join Up Dots podcast is a man i originally connected to as a listener of Join Up Dots and now is making his bow as a guest.
Originally from Victoria Australia, he we won a bronze medal for Australia in men’s hockey in 2008, where he scored a goal in the 6-2 win over the Netherlands in the bronze medal final.
His other successes with the Kookaburras include a gold medal at the 2006 Commonwealth Games and the 2005 Champions Trophy title.
Now what makes this guy interesting to me is a couple of things for sure, not least is his desire to win and put himself into the firing line of competition.
Firstly, unlike many players who enter the sport he was a late bloomer for sure, not making his international debut until the age of 25.
How The Dots Joined Up For Luke
Which asks the question, why so late?
Was it just that he hadn’t found his natural swing in the sport, or was it something else that prevented the spotlight shining in his direction until later than most others.
And secondly, with a natural talent in a very specific aspect of the game “the Online Drag Flick”, how did he take this and create a nice income for him and his family?
Well as Luke Doerner says “I understand persistence is required in business as it was the same as a player. I was not a good player I just persisted longer and harder than most.”
So is his strategy simply to hustle it out and bulldoze his way forward, or something else?
And what has lead him now to come out of retirement and enter the game once more in the Masters category?
Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Luke Doerner
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Luke Doerner such as:
Luke shares how he niche downed on a specific element of his sport to sell to the masses, but actually found that only the elite wanted his product.
We chat about the period when Luke hadn’t quite committed to one particular sport, and then saw a dramatic change in his fortunes when he did.
Luke confesses that missing out on Olympic Gold still bothers him, which shows the true competitive edge that he has to prove himself.
Why sending a simple email, could sometimes be the thing that hold you back from a life of your dreams.
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Audio Transcription Of Luke Doerner Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. join up dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:25]
Yes, have a good morning, everybody. Good morning, and welcome to another edition of join up dots the show that literally we start recording and we find out what comes out on the other end, we kind of join up the dots through the Ruby episode. And today’s guest is somebody that I’ve wanted to have on the show for quite a while because I originally connected with him as a listener of join up dots. And now he’s making his bow as a guest. Now originally from Victoria, Australia, he won a bronze medal for Australia in men’s hockey in 2008, where he scored a goal Yes, and I’ve seen it on YouTube, it’s a very good goal in the six to win over the never wins in the bronze medal final. His other successes with the cooker bow is included gold medal at the 2006 Commonwealth Games, and the 2005 Champions Trophy title. Now what makes this guy interesting to me is a couple of things, for sure, not least is his desire to win and put himself into the firing line of competition. But firstly, unlike many players who enter the sport, he was a late bloomer, for sure, not making these international debut until the age of 25, which asked the question, Why so late? And was it just that he hadn’t found his natural swing in the sport? Or was it something else, but prevented the spotlight shining in his direction until later than most others? And secondly, we have a natural talent in a very specific aspect of the game, the online drag flake, how did he take this and create a nice income for him and his family? Well, as he says, I understood persistence is required in business as it was the same as a player. I was not a good player, I just persisted longer and harder than most. So easy strategy simply to hustling out on board those as well forward or something else. And what’s led him now to come out of retirement and enter the game once more into the Masters category. Well, let’s find out as we bring on to the show, to start join up dots with the one and only Luke Doerner. Good morning. How are you sir?
Luke Doerner [2:18]
I’m very well, David. Yourself?
David Ralph [2:20]
I’m always well, I’m lying. I’m lying. I’m going to try to stop saying this. But I’ve got a cold at the moment. I’ve got a cold and it’s it’s, I can’t shake it is there? Is there any genius advice but a prime man, an Australian male, a sportsman a medal winner can give me to keep away from colds.
Luke Doerner [2:38]
I didn’t try my wife. I recommended that when you do get the cold. You can knock it out in the first couple of days. If you have enough vitamin C, and I did try it last week some success. Smash the vitamin C and see how you go. I think you’re gonna have it 4400 54,000 say Yeah,
David Ralph [2:56]
well, I’ve been trying to tell the lie that somebody somebody else has to me back. It’s sex and Curry. Yeah, sex, sex and curry and that the EOB gone, but she’s not buying into it. She’s just not buying into it.
Luke Doerner [3:09]
That’s a tough sell that one is,
David Ralph [3:12]
so let’s get let’s get straight to it, Mike, because it’s an absolute delight to have you on the show. Because you are somebody that I admire, for so many reasons, not least, that you are a hustler. It’s it’s quite obvious. As I’ve gone through your story and your backstory, you’re somebody that when you decide on something, you get your head down and you do the work. It’s always been the case where you were a little kid striding through school and education with that same kind of commitment, or is that come sort of as an adult,
Luke Doerner [3:44]
I probably always had the commitment to sport not so much education that’s come a little bit later in my career and something that I’m sort of right into now and have been for the last five or six years, like always done okay, at school. And, you know, I went to university, which out of you know, where I grew up Alto, and all the western suburbs was sort of a bit odd. They’re all you know, my friends are a blue collar, sort of, yeah, tradesmen. But, you know, I didn’t really naturally use that, as good as I could have. But sport, I’ve always sort of, you know, whether was basketball, swimming, sailing, and hockey, obviously. And lacrosse was another big one, you know, my dad was a PE teacher. So I sort of had every piece of equipment under the sun at the backyard and gave them all a pretty sort of red hot guy.
David Ralph [4:36]
One of the things that I always find low, and I’ve been very lucky through the show to interview Olympic medal winners and Everest, conquerors, and Super Bowl winners. And literally everyone that I speak to says to me, I wasn’t a good player, I just worked harder than most every every single person, they all come with that sort of tagline to their career. Can you when you’re in sport, can you naturally see the ones that are going to be Legends? Or is it just down to the hard work?
Luke Doerner [5:08]
Yeah, I like having the legends who are really talented like that I played with my best friends, Jamie dies, you know, absolutely on everything in hockey, and especially from Australian point of view, won every gold medal we want, you know, one, two World Cups. On one of those with him. We want five champions trophies together, I think he won an extra one. So he’s won six. But even with luck, he’s been talented since yesterday, but he also trained harder than anyone else I’ve ever trained with. And now he, he, he never rested sort of thing. So I think, yeah, there’s there’s people that have got natural talent, but the ones that are special, and the ones that sort of make it are the ones that do the hard work, I think and and the one I say, like looking back on my career that they will always know the best player like pie for me, like, if you play for your state, instead identified as a reasonably good player, I was always in state teams, but I was never one of the best players. And I always had to work really hard to make those teams whereas the top players in those teams sort of got away with natural talent a bit. And I think, you know, once that sort of Peters at an adult age, then the guys that are used to working hard just continue on k grind were the other ones sort of that were long and talent follow. I
David Ralph [6:29]
said, if he was a coach, and you was building your own team, and they’re all lined in front of you, like you you do at school, and you delete the fat kid to the end, but would you would you look at it and go, here
Luke Doerner [6:42]
you go. He goes in the goals? Oh,
David Ralph [6:44]
yes. Especially in the Square Square, it would work her big, fat and square. But do you look for the people that have got the talent? Or do you look for the hard workers? Would you prefer a team of people that just sort of knuckle down? Or do you want both of
Luke Doerner [7:02]
you want a little bit of both, but I think definitely you want the hard work is like the cocoa bars. Australia men’s hockey side when I was playing, we’re probably the most well were the most successful men sporting team in Australia of all time. You know, we were talented. But we we worked harder than every other team. Like if you look at pure skills, you know, the Dutchman steam have probably had the most skillful players for the last, you know, 1520 years, but they haven’t won anything since 2000. Because they don’t have that sort of work ethic that that had been in still, especially in our group. for that period, I think, you know, guys that are willing to work, especially if you get a group of them together, you know, they can be anyone really.
David Ralph [7:46]
And and there is a mentality, I think, and this is this is going to sound like a stereotype. But I’ve been down to Australia a couple of times, okay, so this is my only appraisal of it, and you can slam it, you can slam it back. But it seemed to be 50% of the men worked harder than I’ve ever seen in temperatures I’ve never experienced before. And then the other 50% were quite happy to just sit around drinking beer all the time. And I saw it very much as black and white, even to the point you know, over here, drink drive isn’t a good thing. But I actually sat with people who were actually drinking while they were driving actually with a Beer Beer between their legs is a sort of mentality of so let’s get to it for 50% and the others are quite happy to sort of sit back in Walkman Didn’t they shorts and sandals?
Luke Doerner [8:39]
Yeah, so that’s a fair assessment. I was probably
David Ralph [8:42]
I thought you were gonna get we’re gonna turn on me then
Luke Doerner [8:44]
man a man. Now I think yeah, I think the the the Australian mentality, the ones that choose to make something of themselves and choose to, to get into it with a man all women, you know, I think, pretty tough characters, and we’re unwilling to do the hard yards. And yeah, like you said, there’s an ever growing amount of which I think is a concern Australia, probably always the motive of a lot of people happy to sit around and not do much and get quite unhealthy and not push to achieve too much. I think as well as is something that, you know, it’s crept into our society, especially, you know,
David Ralph [9:20]
what I why I wanted you on the show, because obviously, you came across and I bank connected with you, because I was interested in the online drag flick, which for the listeners, it isn’t that you dress up as a woman and go out and do stuff you might do. Who knows? Who knows. But you were telling me that there’s a specific way of shooting I believe it is, which you have taken and made quite a profitable little business on that thing that was so niche. Is it easier to create something really micro niche banner is to create something to please everyone?
Luke Doerner [10:00]
Yeah, looking back on it now is that so the skill I learned is the as you said, the drag flick, which is corny get score goals. And when I started doing it, there wasn’t really anyone teaching it. So so that self teach myself, which at the time was really difficult. And there’s a lot of ups and downs as a player. By the time I got to retirement, I was actually I was obviously very good at it. But I also sort of knew how I learned it and was able to teach it to others. And Rick, Charles was was my coach, and he asked me to come back and start teaching. And, you know, just because it was so niche, by you know, I was like the first year I was actually the only person really doing it in the world. And there’s one other guy in Holland, who’s quite successful at teaching, but he doesn’t do any of it online. And yeah, just by a chain of events, as as, you know, that was my friend, that I went to University where he said, you know, he’s should look up this app be great for you with the touching of the drag, click, and also the laugh that he needs to be the country guy doesn’t know much about tech at all, the AFL football player and coaches asked what he started talking about. And I nearly didn’t even bother looking at the app. And then I went off, I’ll have a look, you know, color sanity. So I looked at the app, and I went actually this is gonna work. This is actually you know, what I do in person. So I can do it on the iPad, I can do it remotely. And you know, from there, I’ve refined it a little bit, but basically, you know, it’s been, I did four years with the Australian National men and women sides and now one of my second year with the Belgium national men and women sides. So it’s Yeah, it’s been really successful and no one else’s sort of cut none or, you know, there’s not that many drag click is around, I can catch it. But you know, analysis is still yet to do,
David Ralph [11:56]
you do know that I’ve got the world’s biggest audience of drag an idea, an idea, I’ve never thought of doing that. But But what interests me in this is, what you did was something that you can do sort of naturally well, and you’re better than most. And when I I do a certain amount of business coaching for join up dots now. And a lot of things I say, good business where people go What? It’s just it’s that that’s not a business who wants that? It’s just that little thing, but I do. Was there kind of reluctance in your mindset? Was there that kind of thing? Well, anyone can do this, you know, it’s just hitting a ball basically. Or was it instant greenlight? And yeah, I could I could make a go at this.
Luke Doerner [12:42]
Yeah, I was surprising. So I actually thought I’d go the other way. So everyone wants to look as a junior all these Junior kids. No, it’s the, it’s, you know, like the slam dunk in basketball. And, you know, it’s the they know, they’re going to school. So all the kids want to learn it. And so when I first sort of started doing all going to open this up and and and sell it to everyone, but I actually got the book, you know, the the real interest was at the elite level hockey, whereas at the, I don’t even I don’t even have more websites actually still have, I should have checked it. But I don’t even sell it to the general public anymore, because I didn’t get any uptake from the general public and learning how to drive Legos just at the elite level, which is actually worked out better for me, it’s more money and less work. So
David Ralph [13:28]
what it will do, because, you know, by day they’re at that pain point by can see what you can do, and they can know that I can bring it into the armory. It’s much easier to teach to somebody who’s already in that vein, somebody or just sort of messing around.
Luke Doerner [13:46]
Yeah, yeah, I agree. And
you’ve also got to get this the score on the board as well. Because if you’re not improving and getting better than you, your career in that elite level will be sort of short but so far so good. Hopefully the boys are good the Belgian boys at the end of the month, the World Cup, so hopefully we have some success there.
David Ralph [14:08]
And what happens right if Australia meet Belgian in the final Yeah, and it comes down to the I don’t know the penalty online drag flicking. I don’t know if this is possible, but they all line up illegal. Yeah. And the person who got taught by you beat your country would you be delighted or would you go into hiding? What would you do?
Luke Doerner [14:30]
Yeah, no, I’m with Belgium the World Cup so yeah. Although sign that the goddess looking for Australia. I did catch a nice early days. So it’ll be a bit a bit of both but Belgium at the moment, and yeah, it’s sort of changed as well, the program. I’ve really I only got one close frame. It’s still at Auckland New still playing in the national team. So you kind of lose talk to them a little bit new don’t feel as bad if you’re the new team of coaching Bateson.
Belgium this, this World Cup, hopefully.
David Ralph [15:10]
And is that why you’ve moved to Tasmania to make yourself a little bit safe?
Luke Doerner [15:13]
Yeah. That’s right. Yes, I’m holding down here in Tasmania.
David Ralph [15:18]
Brilliant. You’ve got it. You’ve got it all sorted. Well, let’s say some words now. And then we’re going to delve back into your story. These are the words we play on most of the podcast. So we’re going to do it again. Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey [15:28]
My father could have been a great comedian. But he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [15:54]
Now, did you love your your hockey? Because you was a light blue? Why did it take so long for you to Yeah, what is the actual standard days that people would make their international debut?
Luke Doerner [16:06]
Yeah, so in my era? Yeah, it was it obviously, was a lot earlier. So you know, you’re looking at your early 20s, late teens, for most of the guys at Piper, Australia, right? Yeah, I was really serious with basketball as well, up until my late teens, and I hadn’t really committed to hockey, and then I had to sort of serious surgeries, which basically put me out to, from 9am to say, 23 hours either recovering or dealing with the pain of the surgery that I sort of had. So that sort of slowed my development. But I also, you know, looking back, I hadn’t really 100% committed to, to making it in hockey, I was sort of hedging my bets trying to do basketball trying to do now still dabbling in lacrosse in those days as well. And I hadn’t really can made it and that was when I was about 23, that I decided that I was going to go play overseas and have a real go at hockey after I recovered from that surgery. And from there, there was a couple of dots that really led my path to to making it for Australia. One of them was to join my friend in Jeremy Dwyer. He was playing in a Dutch club. And he said are, you know, tackling him? Can you can you get me a trial gig? He said, he know he tried for months. And he said, Oh, you’ve got one game, which, you know, isn’t much to draw. And I spent all my last dollars and I flew to to Holland to play one game. And the coach had said if if he doesn’t score any goals or play well, then he can jump on the next plane on but they are scored a couple goals that game and did arrive and tied for Bloomingdale. And, yeah, from there, I think the next up was that supply for Australia to come and play for your state, you know, to competition, and also the dividing with arrows. You know, in in the mix to apply for a strike was like I was 25. And my now wife, then girlfriend said, we’ll just email the coach. I was like, man, I can’t stay now the cage and she said, we’ll get his email. And we’ll email him. So I emailed him. And he said, Yeah, come back in, you know, we are looking for drag queens, and we made we made to, we’ll have a look at you if you can. So I came back. And that was sort of another one that really changed the direction of the law up and coming to Picton
David Ralph [18:39]
and Valencia jumping in. Why did you think I can’t send an email to the coach that that seems like just a nothing? action? Why what held you back from just sending an email? Because it doesn’t cost anything? It’s just an action?
Luke Doerner [18:52]
Yeah. Just, you know, the fear, I suppose I didn’t know the coach. I never know who, you know, as far as I was looking, you know, who’s this, from his point of view is this little guy that’s, you know, friends of Jaguar that, you know, has has to me, man, you know, whether they apply for Australia or not, but yeah, I mean, I’m sorry, probably didn’t know who all. Yeah. And I just said, you know, the fear of change, and, you know, putting yourself out there. I think all this all back in, in a lot of areas, you know, just actually being prepared to put yourself out there and see what happens. And I think, you know, that one for me, and then where I ended up with my career in hockey, I think, you know, I look back on now working businesses, you know, just putting yourself out there and having to go, you’ll be amazed when you actually end up.
David Ralph [19:43]
Yeah, absolutely. I think I would have dropped every Australian in that email. I wouldn’t say that. I was talking to Kylie the other day. And oh, and Russell Crowe was there at the same time and fish kangaroo bounce past and critical me, Ralph Harris, but we’ll leave him off the lyst. But the but the rest of them? Yeah, I would, I would have done that. Because it doesn’t hurt. One of the things that I had to get over myself with join up dots, right. In the very beginning, when I had no guests, no show no, was sending emails to people. And the second email I ever sent was to elton john, because I knew he wouldn’t respond. I knew I wouldn’t get anywhere. It kind of set a level of, okay, nothing scary. And I used to send out emails to people left, right and center. And it doesn’t kill you, doesn’t it? But you know, that there was a guy on the show, Luke, that he was 18, or something like that. And he decided that he wanted to become a millionaire. And he was in a school play. And it was all about finance and stuff, weird school play to have. And he was thinking to himself, you know, I want to be a millionaire. And so he wrote a book on how he’s going to do it. And he sent out 100 emails to people got rejected by 99. And the person that responded was Donald Trump. And Donald Trump said, Yes, I will write a foreword for your book, because you’re very sort of proactive. The more emails you send, the more chance he should be, you’ve got to make something it’s a it’s a numbers game, isn’t it? Like the online, the more online drag flicks you do, the more chance you’ve got to score?
Luke Doerner [21:15]
That’s exactly right. And just being prepared to, you know, put yourself out there. And, you know, see what happened. I mean, I work for Robert Rockefeller. Now, he basically owns Tasmania, and no, peoples. Now I’ve coached his daughters were, they are in Hockey Night, by chance. I’ve been talking to the mother and I had an idea for a swim center one to build. She said, I should talk to my husband. I was like, What am I gonna go talk to? You know, it’d be like Ghana, not Donald Trump. But you know, what, what are we gonna talk to him about I, you know, a little swim center. Anyway, you know, I went, and I say that I will, I will go insane. And from there, he just, he said, Actually, I’m not interested in your poor, but you’re coming to work for me and work for him in a suit the last three years or nearly three years.
David Ralph [22:10]
And so what did he say? This is interesting. So what did he see in you at that time? And he’s not interested in your pole, but he liked you?
Luke Doerner [22:18]
Yeah, I don’t know. We just set for a coffee. I was just, I hadn’t even finished my MBA by then. And yeah, I’d never had the conversation with him. What he what he saw me But yeah, obviously. So he saw something. And, you know, from there, you know, I probably wasn’t very, a lot of youth during the first month. And I’ve done a lot of learning in the last three years. But the last the last 18 months, two years, you know, I’ve contributed pretty significantly to these businesses and exciting a lot of money, which is it’s sort of a new, a new sport for me and something I’m enjoying.
David Ralph [22:57]
And when you sat down for that coffee, did you say that? I’m making a coffee and you can use these gold medals? As coasters? Did, did you? Did you price them down there to impress him.
Luke Doerner [23:09]
I didn’t know. He he’s a he’s a avid sports fan. So he didn’t know my hockey past. And yeah, it was obviously interested the ice kids play hockey. Say, that definitely didn’t didn’t hurt. Which is strange, though, like a lot of a lot of jobs you go for or, you know, just even if you talk to people in Australia, especially the US sports player doesn’t get into business that much, which is a bit of a wise luck, because there are so many correlations between the things you learn in a late sport and business that you can you can put into into place.
David Ralph [23:49]
So So what do they do then? Because when you come to the end, as we’ve all sportsman, they say it goes in a blink of an away. And so there was a period at the end of I would imagine a certain amount of depression sets in where you think I don’t know what to do next, or you know, it was all set. Did you struggle with that?
Luke Doerner [24:09]
Yeah, I did struggle for a bit, I’ll pull it a little bit luckier than most if I had listened, my parents and I did have a bit of an education to fall back on, got a bachelor’s degree, and I was, you know, on the verge of finishing my MBA at the end of my career. So I had that full on, but there is a big, big void. And, you know, the, the amount of time you you spend, you know, with that group or team or whatever you’re doing in a late scored, that it’s a big hole to feel just in time, you know, your life, if you’re not training three or four hours a day that that’s a lot of time to six days a week, that’s a lot of time to feel. And you do feel a little bit lost there for a period. And it was good that I was able to sort of stay involved at the late level sport with the coaching even though a lot of that wasn’t you know, that’s probably only still probably five, six hours a week and and I had my studies to finish off. So I’ll be lucky, really, but there are guys and there’s a couple guys going through that who, ya know, it is tough for them, because I haven’t got something directly to go into.
David Ralph [25:24]
Because that’s the kind of business in itself, isn’t it? You see a lot of ex sportsman helping sportsman before they come out the end to transition because in the old days in the in the 80s, and stuff, football players all used to open pups in the United Kingdom, that was the thing. Yeah, and but now the premium ones never have to work again. They just sort of done what they do afterwards. Go on TV and talk about what they used to do imagine. But is that something that would interest you actually coaching? sportsman into business? Give them like a transition to where you’ve got to?
Luke Doerner [26:05]
Yeah, yeah, potentially. Look, where I’m at at the moment. I feel like I’m sort of Walker was with hockey, you know, when I first made the Australian team was ice, I was back at hockey University, you know, almost overwhelmed with all the stuff I had to learn and really getting myself up to speed so that I could be an elite hockey player, you know, I want to do the same in business at the moment, you know, I’m learning from Robert Rockefeller is a you know, very, very successful businessman, but, you know, in that learning, learning phase, and, you know, want to put a few mind things into play and try and be successful at them. And then, you know, I see myself down the track, getting back into sport or helping athletes or, or, you know, even just coaching, hockey more. But at the moment, I’m really in a, in the development stage, I don’t I’ve really used my brain to be, to be honest that much up until, you know, I started my MBA, and you know, just sort of got bored with sport and just done the bare minimum whenever it came to educational, or studies or anything like that.
David Ralph [27:17]
So this is what makes somebody like Rockefeller, Ben, because you know, successful because he’s not sure of a few Bob, he is he’s got some money in the bank. Well, what makes people like that mega successful, where, literally, we’re all the same. We’re all people, we all get born and live our lives. Can you see a different way? Did I think differently today? take bold actions, what’s your point of view of it?
Luke Doerner [27:42]
Yeah, you know, I think he understands the different formulas. And, and, and he’s looking, he’s looking a little bit further ahead than than most people and, and again, he’s willing to, to Bakkies, he’s got feel, and he’s decisions. You know, sometimes, like, he’ll be the first one, you know, I made so many stupid mistakes. But he’s willing to make the mistakes where I think, you know, 80% of society is too afraid to take, you know, they get out of school, they get a job, and then they’re too afraid to leave or to change, or to put themselves out there or to make a decision to find something better. Whereas I think people are really on a daily basis, and don’t ever stop putting themselves out there to make mistakes, or what to make hard decisions or to follow their instincts. I think he’s, he’s one that that, you know, just reinforces, you know, the stuff I learned as a as a hockey player as well.
David Ralph [28:40]
So is it quite simply, you know, you get your mistakes out of the way so that you can move on to bigger mistakes? Is it as simple as that? Because certainly, you know, I’ve created something quite good in join up dots. And I have made some absolute belters of mistakes in this, where it might just look like a podcast, but I look back on it, and I think my God, the amount of money that I’ve wasted, if I was running a multinational company, is it pressure? Is it more pressure? Is it because you’re, you know, you could make a mistake, and people lose their livelihoods? Does he stroll around looking stressed? Or is he quite comfortable with it all?
Luke Doerner [29:15]
Oh, he’s pretty stressed at work. But
it’s very intense. And very, you know, I think, at the end of the day, you know, you’re gonna learn from your mistakes. And he’s, he’s especially not a nasty personal, he does care a lot about how his decisions are gonna affect people, you know, businesses or, you know, the smaller, the smaller. You could call them that, you know, they’re just, you know, doing their job and, and, you know, he doesn’t want anyone to lose their jobs or anything like that. But you know, he’s going to make some hard decisions. A lot of the time, buddy, I think, if he’s hot in the right place, 99% of the time, and I think that makes it easier, and he’s never nasty about what he’s what he’s trying to do.
Unknown Speaker [30:08]
David Ralph [30:10]
go for it. So I
Luke Doerner [30:12]
know and you learn, you’ve got to learn from your mistakes, he basically wasted money, aka wasted, turn up this whole website to sell, drag flicking to, to the masses, and you know, the masses weren’t ready for it. And But still, from that, I learned how to actually produce something better for the people that actually didn’t want it, which really elite players. So you’re going to be always take something out of any mistake anyway.
David Ralph [30:37]
Absolutely. I agree that totally, which takes me back to, you know, that email that you almost didn’t send, it seems like a different person. You know,
Luke Doerner [30:45]
I mean, I was like, Yeah, I think that’s assignment. You know, it’s something now, it’s not as natural. Although looking back, it probably wasn’t natural. When I first started playing late hockey is, is asking for help asking, I don’t know how to do this. But that’s one of the things especially in the group that we had, and I had some fantastic coaches and senior players that, you know, it was always reinforced to ask the stupid questions. If you don’t understand something, ask the senior player ask the coach, you’re never going to get in trouble. And and that, you know, there are things that you’ve got to bring from all I’ve got to bring from the late School, which still takes me time into business. So Robert, my boss, you know, I can ask him any stupid question. And now he always says he, like, I’ll have a list of things to do. And if he, if I’m sitting there with you say, it’s okay. You don’t know the answer. Just tell me Don’t make it up. Yeah. So sometimes you got to catch yourself, actually, you know, you’re going to come up with a story when you just go, I don’t know. And he goes, Okay, we’ll find out and we’ll move on. And I think it’s the same with everything. You just you gotta trust yourself and keep reminding yourself to ask silly questions or put yourself out there and the that’s new for me now in business, I mean, really been in it for three years, I’m still going to push myself to, to ask for help or or emailed you. Anyone or, you know, you just got to be brave enough to ask the question. I built
David Ralph [32:16]
a whole career around asking silly questions now look, so it’s, it’s fine, you can take it into any degree. But I remember I worked at in the City of London once for many, many years. And one of my first jobs I remember the manager asked me to do something and I wasn’t quite sure. And he said, You’re okay with it. And I went, Yeah, no problem at all because I didn’t want to look stupid. And he went off home and I sat there for about four hours until I got to a point I thought, you know, even the cleaners have gone home and I don’t know what I’m doing here. And so I left it and I went in the next morning and he said exactly the same thing. You know, if you had said I don’t know how to do it you could have gone home at five o’clock and then come back in the next morning we were just shown you and then moved on. But there is that fear isn’t there there is that fear of just making yourself look stupid where actually it’s not going to kill you. You’re not stupid you just don’t know. I wonder why we have this kind of protective bubble around us at all times that holds us back from that that progress
Luke Doerner [33:14]
Yeah, it’s that fear thing and you know to say that I actually have done recently is you know, I bought a new a dive a lot in and surf and bought this you know, up on my wife bought it up watch it does everything you know, so I went to the dock shop the show Matt he he was going to show me how to use it you know, and he went through it in like two minutes flat and he said he got all that I think yeah I like but it’s that fear of you know, looking stupid that you know, you’ve just you’ve got to get get over and be willing to ask a silly question I always talk recipe but I think of David guests I’ve ever hear David guest is a hockey coach. Yes, sir. Ever since then. But he was the king of the stupid question. And he he just so many dumb questions, but nearly always in our group, squatter the 24 players. He was always asking stupid question, but there was always some someone else in the room that wanted to know the answer to that question. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I think I think that’s all I always revert back to that if I get stuck, you know, would get the ask the question, Lily, of course, he would say you just gotta ask it.
David Ralph [34:22]
And there is always somebody willing to help isn’t there, which was the big eye opener in the online world. For me, when I started, I realized that actually, people want you to succeed. And they like it when you reach out to them and ask, you know, if you’re asking stupid questions, 20 times a day to the same person, they might get a bit reluctant to it. But people generally will reach out and help you. And it doesn’t matter how high they are the ladder. If you’re asking with your heart in the right place, it normally lands quite well, doesn’t it?
Luke Doerner [34:53]
Yeah, and like even with the selfie knows, I was like, Oh, well, I’ll reach I don’t know, my contact, I didn’t actually expect that, you know, you’d get a now get a reply. And, you know, it’s, it’s surprising how much people want to help. And now it’s a lot of people asked me, you know, that just was luck with hockey, especially, you know, I’m sort of, obviously a late level coach, but people are too scared to ask me for help. You know, even people that know me and their kids are playing hockey, I’ve got a question. They’re scared to ask me that. So you know, he always, like, I know, I’m happy to have more than happy to help. And you got to think that other people are out there to help too. Absolutely.
David Ralph [35:35]
Now, the guy who helped me probably more than anyone is no longer around. But he’s word sir. And it’s Steve Jobs. So here he is, again,
Steve Jobs [35:43]
of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [36:19]
Do you think that that does build trust into you? Once you in the process? I think those words are quite difficult to believe, when you haven’t started taking action. But once you’re into it, does it make it easier for you to just know that something will happen? Some people will lead this conversation might go here or it may go nowhere. But the next one, that’ll be the one?
Luke Doerner [36:40]
Yeah, I think I think it’s easier once it’s once you’ve you’ve seen it happen luck. And I know for myself that, you know, I’ve got it, I can trust myself now I can trust my God, because not applied seven years for Australia and one. Everything except the Olympic gold medal. You know, there’s, you got it said that me when I was 19. And, and and, you know, involved late, I tried to be an elite hockey hockey player would have told you a dreaming, but it’s that I think you build more and more trust and say someone like my boss like Robert, he’s got that trust in his decisions. And, you know, even if he’s going, you know, well off track with what he’s doing is he trusts that it’s going to take him somewhere that he wants to get to.
David Ralph [37:27]
And when you look back on it everything I’m going to ask a question because it popped into my head, but does the not winning the Olympic gold? Does that bother you or not? Is that just part of your journey?
Luke Doerner [37:39]
No, it does bother me a bit what we had, we played my mistake in Beijing. And then I didn’t get picked in London, which was a mistake by all those quite a few mistakes there. Looking back that we all made. It was the only one I didn’t win. So once I got into the Australian, so I applied for Australia, all I wanted to do is win one Commonwealth Games battle because I was in Melbourne. Once I got into the Australian side, I wanted to win one of everything and you know ended up winning five Champions Trophy to Commonwealth gold, One World Cup gold. But yeah, there’s a couple of a lot we wanted, I want to be Olympic gold was the only one I didn’t take off the list.
David Ralph [38:22]
Because I’ve never won anything in my life. And I say that to the my kids. There’s no one thing that I’ve ever won in my life. And my kids only now have to turn up, they turn up and everyone gets a medal. And it it bugs me big time. Now I say you know, I put my effort in? And not once did anyone recognize me?
Luke Doerner [38:44]
Yeah, I’m with you on that one. I you know, I think kids today sport a bit in that regard. And, you know, in hockey, I think I know, one some team. I had some team successful Victoria and my club and things. Well, that but I never got any just double checking. But I don’t think I ever won any individual accolades as apply until I applied for Australia.
David Ralph [39:11]
And does that make a difference to you? Because, as I’m saying it, I can feel a burst of passion come up to me. Well, I think to myself, come on teachers, I must have done something good. I’ve been on this planet for 48 years, and not one person that ever said, you’ve done something good. You know, it burns. It burns deep inside me, Luke.
Luke Doerner [39:32]
Yeah. I think sometimes that also pushes, you know, I’m just saying that one of the one of the reasons I made the apply for Australia was a coach who was my club coach, and then was the the State Institute of Sport coach. You know, and someone I really, really admired when I had my injury, so I had to hamstring tendon up, please. HPC sort of put you over 12 months each time with a two. When I was coming back from one the the the head strength and conditioning guy
asked him well, you know, is Luke any chance of
you know, going on and playing for Australia or anything like that. And Colin batch often me, but he’s a strength coach, now.
He doesn’t listen.
He, he, he really paused and had to think about it all sort of possible. And I just remember, I was so mad. And I reckon I carried that chip on my shoulder. Little I’ll show him you know, much and push me a lot further than any accolade would have. And, you know, he obviously didn’t do it deliberately. But you know, different people react differently. And, you know, I probably always reacted better to someone telling me I can’t do something or you’re not good enough. Or, you know, giving me self a chip on the shoulder was something I probably always carried.
David Ralph [41:04]
I like phoning adulation I do I like I like people throwing themselves at my feet. And praying to the temple that is the Ralph my stuff. That’s, that’s what I want. I don’t I don’t
Unknown Speaker [41:16]
want to create around different, everyone’s different. I want to prove stuff to
David Ralph [41:19]
anyone. I just want them to bend over and allow me to do it. That sounded wrong. But you know, you know. So so let’s move you in to the end of the show. This is the Olympic gold medal because very few people get a chance to do this. But this is the Sermon on the mic, when we’re going to send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young Luke, what age would you like to speak to him? What advice would you give him? Well, we’re going to find out because we’re going to play the theme. And when it fades, you’re up, this is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [41:56]
Unknown Speaker [41:57]
with the best of the show.
Luke Doerner [42:14]
I’ll go back to a young 18 year old Luke who would have been very difficult to talk to. Yeah, get out of the party mode. And you know, really be brave enough to ask for help and, and to start using your brain and, and looking at at avenues that that you perhaps know are there but you too shy or too, too afraid to walk them whether it’s with the new sporting careers or education. I think being brave enough to to put yourself out there and start moving forward. And not just getting by doing the things you’ve already done before. will get you a little bit further ahead than where you ended up.
David Ralph [43:04]
Great advice. And for the people out there that are now saying I want to be dragged flick experts, I’m really this is this is the main thing in my life,
Luke Doerner [43:12]
how can I connect, not really selling through the public. But if if they really have to me
my email address on your on your website will probably be the best way. But
David Ralph [43:27]
you’re the most robust businessman I’ve ever had. And I asked that question and people hit me with about 30. That’s why I say what’s the number one best way. So you’re in business that people can’t connect with you. And it’s an
Luke Doerner [43:41]
is is more a hobby at the moment. I mean, I’m really more into, into into where I’m going with the business side of things with Roberts range of businesses. And I think I’ll end up doing that sort of online with other businesses, which is sort of efficiency management. So if anyone’s got a businesses I want to so for money on then then I can help you with that. But the hockey stuff, I’ll probably stick with the elite level stuff for the next few years, I’d imagine
David Ralph [44:09]
you’ve got learning setting to take you on a setting course. You’re not big on that as well. But it’s been an absolute delight to have you on the show today, joining up those dots. And please come back again when you’ve got more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Luke, thank you so much.
Luke Doerner [44:31]
David Ralph [44:36]
Luke Doerner, he was good with me. He was good. He a knuckle down when he said he was 23 when he really decided to make a go at hockey and at 25. He was an international it kind of makes you think, Blimey, if he’d sort of committed to something earlier, where would he be, but maybe wouldn’t be in a better place, which is the thing about join up dots is all about taking the action when it’s there for you make it commitment and seeing what comes out at the upper end. And more often than not is a better place. The action is the starting point. And then the making it up as you go along is the next bit. But no one really has a nailed down blueprint for success. Because you just don’t know what’s going to occur, you can just keep moving forward and doing what you can do. And then you come out the other end with all the gold medals in the world, except for the Olympic gold. So we look at dimension it. Until next time, thank you so much for being here. And thank you so much for everybody who’s listening to join up dots and leaving ratings and reviews. And just just sharing their is really appreciate it. And I will see you again soon. Cheers. See ya. Bye bye. So you’ve now listen to the podcast. And are you interested in creating your own business because creating an online business isn’t too hard. As long as you do the research and you get the foundations in place, and you have a strategy? Well over the last five or 10 years, I’ve created multiple online businesses and cemented that information by interviewing so many people through join up dots. And now I have a four stage strategy that can teach you how to do the same. Create a business that will bring income into your life, create freedom, and say goodbye to the alarm clock and the boss forever. Now, this is a 30 day program. But I personally take you through giving you all the steps that you need to do before you get to the stage of actually creating your business, you’re pretty much guaranteed that the business is going to work as long as you put the effort into it afterwards. If that’s of interest to you, then just go over to the join up dots homepage and click on the 30 day course there’s a video of me and you can just send a message through to me saying that you’re interested you want to register on the next course and I will personally connect with you and talk you through it to make sure that you are fit for what I’m about to teach you. If that’s of interest, as I say go over to join up dots, the 30 day business course and I hope to speak to you soon