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Introducing Monique Williams
Monique Williams is my guest today, on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots business coaching podcast interview.
She is a lady who was previously on the show back on episode 251, where we had a very deep conversation around self sabotaging ones careers.
Particularly in regards to the times when things are going just as you hoped they would.
Back then she told us “I was a freelance writer, for a small Sydney magazine, before I realised a dream to help others create the lifestyle that they truly deserved. I use the word ‘deserved’ with intention.
It was one of my first, big spiritual realisations: We are not all living our highest potential, we deserve so much more than we’ve been taught to expect.”
That’s a fascinating insight not just to this ladies outlook, but also life itself.
Why are we taught from such a small age to be realistic, be practical and leave the dreaming to, well the dreamers.
Shouldn’t we be encouraging people to go for the mad stuff, the big stuff, the stuff that real dreams are made off?
Challenging them to grow to the highest potential possible?
Joining The Dots To Where She Is Today
Well since 2006 our guests life has been one intertwined with all of this and more.
With such personal values such as laugh regularly, think differently, be persistent, be abundant (and give generously).
We live what you love, she has clients flocking to her business looking for a similar mind-set to propel them to success.
So where did her positive outlook really kick in and allow her to speed forward to success?
And why has she re-branded her work from self names to beautifully wild?
Well lets find out as we bring onto the show, to start joining up dots, with the one and only Monique Williams.
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Monique Williams such as:
How Monique now realises that she can now charge premium prices in her business and bring better quality clients into her business.
Why less customers, less hassle and more money….perfect!
Why she now sees that she is more condensed and precise as to what she is offering.
She knows her stuff, and knows how to deliver what her clients truly need.
Monique recalls how her marketing messages were not congruent with how she truly was, and why it took a client to point out the error of her ways.
Why we both believe that ladies should only share one part of themselves when they go out clubbing and what that part should be! Truly deep stuff!
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Audio Transcription Of Monique Williams Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling join up dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK David Ralph Good morning, everybody,
David Ralph [0:26]
and welcome to a join up dots as another fun packed show. And I know this one’s gonna be fun because I’ve already asked this lady. Yeah, in a professional sense, of course, had her back on the show in Episode 251, where we had a very deep conversation about self sabotaging ones careers, even when things are going just about as you hoped they would. Back then she told us I was a freelance writer for a small Sydney magazine before I realized the dream to help others create the lifestyle I want a true he deserved. I use the word deserved with intention. It was one of my first spiritual realizations, we’re not only living our highest potential, we deserve so much more than we’ve been taught to expect. Now that is a fascinating insight, not just to this lady’s outlook, but also life itself. While we talk from such a small age to be realistic, be practical and leave the dreaming to suppose the dreamers Shouldn’t we be encouraging people to go for the Mad stuff, the big stuff, the stuff that real dreams are made up, challenging them to grow to the highest potential possible? Well, since 2006, our guest life has been intertwined with all this and more. And with such personal values, such as Lord regularly, think differently, be persistent, be abundant, and give generously and live what you love. She has clients block into a business looking for a similar mindset to propel them to success. So where did her positive outlook really kick in and allow her to speed forward to success? and Why has she rebranded her work from self named to beautifully Wow, well, let’s find out as we bring on to the show to start joining up with the one and only and my all time favorite Australian Monique Williams. Morning Monique. How are you?
Monique Williams [2:06]
I’m well I’m well, it’s it’s actually good evening in my part of the world.
David Ralph [2:11]
So have you. I’m well, I’m good. But have you finished the day on a high? Is Is this sending you to bed? Do you wish that we could be laying on a sofa together with our microphones doing this cozy always is just about as good as it’s going to get?
Monique Williams [2:25]
You know what? A big soft sofa with the microphone and a glass of wine would be awesome. Although it’s way too early for you for your wine.
David Ralph [2:33]
I don’t drink wine anyway, I can’t bear.
Monique Williams [2:35]
Well, there you go.
David Ralph [2:36]
Yeah, I can smell and also I’m with a woman who would actually stab me if the wind was going down a bit quick. she she she likes a bottle every five minutes. And so yeah, I couldn’t go near it can go No, it’s Oh, so you’re in Australia, you’re in a lovely warm climate. I’m looking at my window at the moment. And a snowy Blizzard is probably going to trap them my recording studio for the next five days. What is life like for you on a general basis, because I always think if I was in sunny LA and the last thing I want to do is sit behind the computer screen having Skype calls with people. I want to be swimming, I want to be running around I want to get that man Kini on I want to get out all over time. How do you fight it and actually get some work done?
Monique Williams [3:21]
Well, I think the bank accounts the answer to that question. I would love to be hanging out by the water all day and sipping on cocktails or even copies. But you know, it’s, I have to pay the bills. And so that’s the motivation. But you know what i do live in an apartment right now that overlooks this wonderful lake. And I find that by about lunchtime, I’ve migrated to the lounge or even the balcony with my laptop. And I sit in my view, and and typing away on the laptop that way. And it kind of gives me that nice balance between what I need to do and what I’d like to be doing. as well. I’ve
David Ralph [3:59]
realized over the years when I was in corporate land, we touch on this a lot of times, and this is the kind of the four hour workweek the Tim Ferriss post the book statement, really, but when you was in corporate land is when most of us have been there was how much time there was so much waste time, there was so much, so much just rubbish time really. Now I can literally look at my day’s work and think, right, okay, what have I got? Okay, let’s really focus on that and get it done sort of just in the morning. So in the afternoon, I’ve got the days off. So my days are literally eight in the morning to about 11 and then sort of pottering around time just playing. And that’s how you can create life, isn’t it? Is that not how your life is? Three hours hard work? Or are you stretched across the globe? by different people’s timescales? You know,
Monique Williams [4:47]
I can be stretching across the globe. Absolutely. But you know, the one thing I realized working for myself is that, you know, in terms of all the admin, you know, the website, because material type stuff that I do talking to client is a bit different. But if I’ve got four solid hours a day, to just sit down work, I can get so much done in that time. Whereas like you said, you know, being in corporate land, it took me all day to do that. So, you know, Europe is spot on working for you. So bring such a different lifestyle, such a nice lifestyle. find myself out sort of wandering around the streets through the day to sometimes just to, you know, have a break, go get another cup of coffee, go find someone to chat to down down down the street. It’s, yeah, it’s cool.
David Ralph [5:32]
Yeah, that’s what it’s all about, isn’t it now? Well, on the last show, you already sound different. Monique, you sound I don’t know, in your element. Somehow you sound like you’ve grown in the last 700 episodes. And probably I do as well, but you can’t see it yourself. We were talking about self sabotaging. And when you’re building a business, you really want it to work. But you get to that point, and you kind of think, Oh my God, I’ve got a client, oh, my God, I don’t know, well, I’m actually gonna deliver to them. And as I go, now, are you totally confident? Are you you’re fascinating them with your power, your your persona, your personality, and everything’s easy, boy.
Monique Williams [6:15]
You know what, I still get nervous with your clients. But I think the difference is that I’m more confident in what I know. And I’m more confident in putting it forward. So it’s kind of like this new client comes along, and is still that little voice there sometimes saying, you know, oh, my God, what are you going to do? How are you going to help them, you know, they’ve got these these fees, this issue and this problem, and, but I think I’m faster at listening to other part of me that says, you know, what, just step forward, we got, you know, it’ll all be okay. And I and I just started to speak more fluidly, that I think I used to it, it’s a bit different. You know, it’s, we don’t get rid of the fee. But we certainly get more efficient with our knowledge, age, and now wisdom and putting that forward.
David Ralph [7:03]
Now, let’s take you right back to the first kind of client and the first course and stuff. And I’m going to be speaking from my own experience on this to where I am now. But I think that my very first clients, I earn a lot of my money through teaching people how to podcast and get a show out there and get a global audience and stuff. And when I started, I, I over delivered, and I over delivered in a calendar, let’s throw everything at this. And it was kind of it was a mess, I look back on it, and it was a mess. Now I stripped back massively. And people are actually seeing me over deliver because I’m delivering less, but more what they want. Have you gone through that journey where you kind of think what I need to do a bit of as and a bit about and actually as you progress through with your clients, you actually think they’re not actually asking for this much is it you know, it’s only that one or two things I really need and Ben strip back to make it the sexy profile. But it is.
Monique Williams [8:02]
I think, you know, what comes to mind as you’re talking is not so much over delivering but but charging too little. Like I used to charge this tiny amount of money for these courses. And you know, I’d get people signing up. But then it’s still only amount to quite a small amount of money, and I still had rent to pay. And I think I began to realize at the time and and I actually did this once I actually tripled the price of something that I was selling, and nobody flinched. Yeah, like everyone just went, Okay. And I did. And I saw, I think it was kind of more for me, it was being really scared to ask for money. And I could provide the content. And I think for me that providing the content was really intuitive. So it rounded itself out nicely. But when it came to money, I freaked out. I didn’t know how to manage that side of things. So I think that was my bigger problem. Today, it’s different, I think I kind of walk over providing. I like, giving, especially my clients have been around for a while I’m like he had this for free. And I’m launching this and you know, I don’t know where it is, I kind of just like to give and obviously not used to the point of, you know, hurting my financial situation. But I find that really satisfying now. Yeah, but do what
David Ralph [9:22]
do you do over deliver with the right things that did this is the kind of point instead of throwing everything, you actually know the clients and you go, this is going to be useful to them? I’m going to do that, you know, I used to basically spend literally hour upon hour doing video courses and this and that. And you know, and I’d have a 300 part video course. And now I look back on it. But I only needed 10 parts that you know, by by don’t need all that I just need to know how to drive the car, not how the bloody cars built.
Monique Williams [9:55]
Yeah, yeah, you know, I think I’ve become a lot more consistent. I think this is true able to last, our last conversation, I’ve become a lot more consistent and efficient with the material that I provide. I think in the beginning, you know, I was kind of trying to fix everything and help everyone. But you know, and this is kind of 10 years in my business too. I think I’ve become more condensed and more confined to what I want to do, which is which is part of like you said right at the beginning, they’re part of why rebranded to beautiful wild, and really guest honing in on helping people understand how powerful they are, especially when they come from a kind of intuitive soul spiritual place. And getting them connected to that and understanding how capable ours human beings, and really sort of bringing all of that knowledge and all of that experience, I should say that I’ve had over the past 10 years into that funnel. So I think that’s really helped to be more concise with what I’m sharing, and what I’m offering. So,
David Ralph [11:00]
so what is beautifully Wow, when when did that idea come to you because I’ve been looking over at your website. And it’s funny, she went over to Monique Williams, and it doesn’t exist anymore. She’s She’s no, she’s no more and been about three days later, you came out of the woodwork. And I hope thank God, thank God, her and Kylie still around.
Monique Williams [11:21]
Still, still, he can’t get rid of it.
Well, it literally only came about in the last couple of months. And it came about from, I guess, personal experiences I’ve had. And the idea was, how do you show people the beauty of the soul, the beauty of their complete being, and encourage them or help them build the courage to be wild enough to follow that calling to follow that voice, kind of going back to something that we spoke about on the first call, in even just the broader concept of you know join up dots that part of you that quiet little voice inside of you that saying, Hey, we could do this, or Hey, you’re not happy in this job. And there’s this other idea got? Why don’t we follow that. Because the thing I’ve learned and I think even especially in the past three years, is it takes courage, it takes a huge amount of courage. But when you build that, you become empowered, and you become quite efficient in your life and you become happier. Because you’re not carrying around all the all the layers of icon that I want, and I shouldn’t. And I kind of start. It’s a literally, it was the culmination of changes I think I’ve made in the past three years that caused it to come about and I started to think about will, who am I? And what do I really want to do? And what has all this past experience shown me? You know, 90% of my clients have always been women just organically. And you know, what’s the one thing that they’re missing? What what is it that I’ve had to be within myself? What is it that my intuition, my spiritual guidance to show me how to do and it really came back to on a soul level. I’m here to share this message. And I’ve had to build the courage to follow that voice and disconnect from all those people who told me I couldn’t do it. And all those ideas that I had, that I grew up with that, you know, we don’t want to grow outside this box. And, and I said, Oh my god, the name of the site. And I sat down and I registered on the spot. And that’s how it came about. And I didn’t I just literally disconnected mcwilliams.com I just felt like I needed to shift that completely. Obviously, I emailed everyone and said, you know, email,
David Ralph [13:48]
you can email me I was worried sick, Monique. I’m sorry, I didn’t know what happened to you. I thought you’d gone out you got in with the wrong crowd, you are drinking heavily in a bar. Didn’t know, Oh,
Monique Williams [14:03]
I’m sorry. I’m sorry. Next time. Next time, I will make sure that you’re on the email list.
David Ralph [14:08]
It’s my family instinct coming out. And if you went out in the evening, I’m just saying to my wife this the other day, I’ve now realized I’ve gone from pervy men into family man, when I see young girls going to nightclubs, I think to myself, Oh, where my coat, wear a coat, you’re going to be freezing when I was younger, I’d be going. Yeah, get off work.
Monique Williams [14:34]
Literally. So I turned 42 in a cup in April. And I went out to a specific nightclub that was full of a 10 year olds a couple of weeks ago. And I was like, Oh my god, I’m old enough to be your mother. And will you please put the clothes on? First time in my life that I’ve ever had really had that experience and actually feel really old when I was when I was out of bed It was quite shocking. quite shocking to. I had checked that I was actually in my 40s. Now I’m not in my 20s
David Ralph [15:06]
Well, my my wife, my wife has a rule about elder daughters. She says you can have your legs out or your boobs out, but you can’t have them both. And that’s, that’s her. That’s her role. And they now preach it back now and I go yet Mom, I’m going to do the same with my daughters and stuff. You know, you can have your boobs out, or your legs out, but you can’t have them both. And I think that’s that’s a good ruminate isn’t it? If anybody takes anything from this show, that would be the thing.
Monique Williams [15:33]
Well, that is obviously the most important thing we’re going to talk about tonight. I keep traveling down this path where I am, I was really kind of, you know, being a bit of a feminist myself, but but not a prude. I was really kind of surprised, you know, thinking about I guess my journey and the empowerment stuff in the courage stuff. I was really surprised by how fronted I was by who kind of had to like that into that. Because I guess being in my 40, instead of being I claim, I’ve learned a lot about self respect, about empowerment about how anything, whether you got your boobs out, or your legs out, I think it’s about the way that you see yourself. And I think that was probably the most confronting thing about being in that environment. Right, we looked at 18 and 20 year olds, I really opened my eyes to what is this all about? And what are these girls doing? And what are they trying to get out of it? And I can kind of Ruin why not, I guess the end of the day, because you know, I got a bit analytical about it. I don’t know. There’s something about that whole beautifully wild concept, like I’m all for letting yourself reward or for letting that courage come through. But you’ve got to know what you’re doing. And you got to know where you’re coming from. And you’ve got to know what you’re all about. And well, maybe that’s the journey when you’re writing. You know, I guess it has been my journey.
David Ralph [17:14]
I think you’ve learned that because what you’re saying and I suppose it comes back to you know, everything we talked about on join up dots it’s being totally authentic, but not fake, authentic. And I think we all go through that little journey, where we’re saying to people yeah, I’m exactly like I am, you know, I’m exactly, but you’re not, you’re kind of paying at something, you have a fine tuned it way of actually having a rebranding of join up dots at the moment, because we got a new website coming. Because I realized that at my essence, I’m saying to people, you can be as stupid as you like, you can have as much fun as you like, you can just play every day, and you can build a successful business. Look at me. And I realized that on my website, it didn’t emphasis sighs but it didn’t emphasize but actually, I like to be stupid. I like to have fun. I like to have a laugh. And I don’t want to be taken seriously. So we’ve been having a load of sort of professional photo shoots trying to get back that element of, you know, be yourself. Just be yourself. Because that’s when salute Lee flood, screw you and you are crying, you aren’t forcing it. You just wake up every morning and you you do what you do. And it’s great. And I love it. And the more you do it, the more people seem to like it. And the more that people seem to like it. People hate it as well, which is one of the things. Yeah, the most popular you become, the more unpopular you’ve become. It’s like a ying and yang thing is still fun. It’s still fun. And I love the people that hate me. Because I already love the people that love me is that kind of beautiful circle. I’ve joined up the dots laughing
Monique Williams [18:57]
Yeah, you’ve come full circle, we’ve come full circle, you’ve now got some haters out there. Who you’re making. It’s it’s a really cool thing. And I was listening, skimming through our previous recording earlier. And you were saying that, that you wake up in the morning, and you look in the mirror and giggle. And I were just it really hit me as such a cool comment that, why? Why can’t we do that? And really, I think that’s the baseline of what beautifully wild is for me. It’s like, how do you get up in the morning and just feel like you’re living the coolest life because it’s authentic to you. And you’re not playing some game and you’re not posing and you’re not trying to put out some you know, really impressive brand and be your professional about it you just been you and you just doing something that you love. And, you know, looking at those girls about it on a Sunday night that was so missing and totally missing from, from a everything that Oh, presenting it, we really, really haven’t heard the name may and maybe there’s something to talking about these now. It’s like I wonder how I can reach that, that younger 20s group as well and start to help them build that understanding of being authentic and building that life where you literally wake up and you smile, and you feel happy. It does take it it does take courage, I think it takes courage because doing this stuff like you say there’s haters out there, as you as you become more on yourself, there’s people who aren’t going to like it, and there’s people who are even going to try and drag you down. So I need that. It’s at that understanding that you have a light, but also a responsibility to get out there. And just be yourself. And I think it’s that responsibility part that gets a bit lost sometimes because, you know, as you know, I mean, I know we’re talking about Bill, our work life into you know, three or four hours a day and being able to garner things, but there’s a lot of practice behind that. There’s a lot of experience behind that that helped you. And then you know, I guess a lot of other business owners in similar situations to become that refined and concise with the actions and to take that leap of faith and to start that and to, you know, be beautifully wild. It’s it work in the beginning. And it’s work in our heads more than anything, I think, well, let’s
David Ralph [21:27]
play some words now. And what I think we’re talking about here is competence is confidence. And it’s confident. Being in your own skin is confident being with other people is competent about what you’re presenting to the world. It’s all about competence. Let’s play some words from somebody who is supremely competent. And we we listened to these everyday Jim Carrey
Jim Carrey [21:46]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. Our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [22:12]
Now, I’ve been watching some documentaries with Jim Carrey money. I don’t know if you’ve seen these on Netflix, where basically he he visualized where he wanted to be in life. And he created this persona of Jim Carrey and then once it got so big and so successful, it started to take the energy out of him. It wasn’t actually him, it was what we wanted, we wanted this character. And it was it wasn’t him. And he became less and less of himself to the point that he actually had to sort of like, Depart behind doors and go slightly into sort of a breakdown really, until he found these bringing these come out. Can Can you see that we have people where they’re trying to force the competence issue with ektron to force it into an area. But actually, it’s not been natural fit. But something’s going to break. In the end.
Monique Williams [23:03]
I think that’s me in the beginning of my business. I remember one of my clients very, very gently and very lovingly telling me, I had an authenticity purple. She goes, I know your clients love you, and I love you. And as soon as we sit down and talk to you, you are brilliant. And, and and you know, you’re sharing this amazing stuff with us, and we love it. But you sending out these emails, and they’re not you. And I was like, oh, wow, okay, well, that explains my my marketing. But I had to figure it out. And and I think all the way up to beautifully wild. I was figuring that out. I think so many of us grow up with this sense that, you know, we do what we’re told we get the status quo, and we do the norm. And I don’t know whether I said this in the last podcast, but you know, I went and I was a legal secretary for five years or something. God, I hated it. But it was kind of like, well, this is what takes. So you should just go and do this. And it took that experience. And it took me hating during that jobs so much to step back and go well what do I want. But when it is come right down to my business, and being able to just be authentic and express my so I don’t know what are even knew who I was back then I think I’ve learned who I was who I am up until now. And I think it has been about building that courage. And I believe now that that authenticity needs to come from deep down inside of us, it needs to come from that kind of soul space if you like. But that’s what I each region does. The more we listen to our intuition, the more we understand what we’re capable of, the more we understand that there is this journey here that we can take. And as you take that I think you begin to understand who you are, you begin to discover who you are. And your Jim Jim Carrey story and that that particular story is pretty powerful.
Because he created so much success being someone he wasn’t.
And I think we all have the capacity to do that. And I even think I built my business, I think it’s a reason I had to completely let go of Mike Williams don’t color. I built my business being a little bit like to myself, you know, not faking what I’m sharing, or what I was sharing with my clients or, or the courses I was writing, they were all very empty. myself at the front line of that. I just, I had no idea. I think I was a little bit broken in that space sometimes. Because there’s all these expectations. And here I am being a spiritual teacher, and nobody expected that off me ever. You know, I wasn’t expected to build some brilliant, amazing career and a lot of money and do all those things. Little Aryan, start my own business. And I’m you know, I’m not pointing to the you’re blaming or anything, it was just that environment that I grew up in a very normal, middle class environment. Catholic household. This stuff was just completely off the radar. So how could I figure out who the hell I was? When I was being someone that I had no idea about? I’ll tell you what.
David Ralph [26:24]
I’m going to jump in here because I had an epiphany be up at night. And I was I was watching Jerry Seinfeld on Netflix, the American comedian. And he was talking, he does this, this sort of show that he talks about his ease. It’s something like before Seinfeld or something. And he talks about how his life was as a kid, and how the very first thing that he ever said was, leave me alone. And he just, he knew that there was something different about him. And he found it through comedy. And he gets up on stage and he’s doing his routine. And he’s loving it. He feels like he’s come home. He’s really sort of in the in the moment and it’s brilliant. And then he’s mum and dad come and watch him. And he hated it. Because he said, That wasn’t me that that wasn’t the Jerry vein. No, this was like a different Jerry. And as I was watching it, I suddenly thought, Oh my God, that’s me. That’s me. I’ve tried to grapple over the last maybe five years of being the same person at all times. But now I realize that podcast David is different form of data David and they’re kind of similar, but they have a heightened version. And so if people if my wife was sitting listening to me do this, now, I wouldn’t be able to do it, because it’s not what she knows me to be like. And it was a big epiphany where I thought, no confidence isn’t about being good at everything. It’s about channeling your energies to where it’s best suited. And at the moment, I’m very, very personable, I’m trying to do this as well as I can. But then afterwards, I’d be quite happy to not talk to when you went for two days and just be kind of quiet in my own space. And it was a big epiphany Can Can you sort of see that in yourself?
Monique Williams [28:07]
Oh, completely. I think you’ve totally nailed it. totally nailed it. And, and I think it’s even, it’s even that sense of hearing and doing the spiritual work. And then on Sunday night, I’m out dancing, you know, and having a couple of cocktails with my nights. And and I had, I had to get comfortable with what I was meant to be as a spiritual person, right. So I had really know this personally, and there was no other writer when I was growing up in any spiritual sense is kind of like that Catholic judgment and, and, you know, rules and all those things. And I had to, and that’s what I mean, when I when I said a little bit woken, over the years trying to figure out how to present myself to the world. Because I had to completely restructure what spirituality meant. They meant to me who I was, outside of that, who I was, as a business owner, who I was as a friend, who I was, as someone running my own business and all those things. They’re interconnected. But they’re different. Right? The person who shares that intuitive guidance with a client isn’t necessarily the same person who’s paying their bills. And isn’t necessarily the same person who is chatting to a mate who’s going through a really rough time, you know, in a marriage or something like that. It’s, it’s, um, it’s hard, isn’t it? It’s difficult. And I think it’s harder for us as entrepreneurs, because there are so many elements. It’s not like we can go to work come home into the close the door, even in the background of those conversations with our friends, or our partners or our kids. Were, we’re still processing what the next step is, let’s what I’ve found Anyway, I’m still processing the business. And I’m still and I’ve had to work quite hard, really, at shutting the door, at stepping out meeting late for lunch on a Sunday afternoon and talking about stuff that isn’t about my business. And isn’t about spirituality. And yeah, it’s it’s you kind of got me really thinking about that now.
David Ralph [30:25]
And that’s what we do and join that. So she say, this is coaching, but I don’t charge you for I might charge you, I might charge you because you say that you drink you go. Yeah, I think the question that I was going to leave this to the end, but I might forget it. But I think all the listeners out there were really clinging to this is when you go out money, what is it? Is it boobs or legs? Which one do you go with? I think that’s the thing. You need to know.
Monique Williams [30:52]
David Ralph [30:53]
okay. You could go, you could go just for me if we ever go out. So Can Can we be competently authentic? Then if we’re saying that actually were made up of different moods, different moments, different personalities that operate? Well in certain environments? Can we say to the world, but you can actually be authentic? Is it possible to be authentic? Or is it just always changing? Get Can, can you be an authentic chameleon, I suppose that’s the closest way of doing it, where you change because of where you are.
Monique Williams [31:30]
I think, to me, authenticity is kind of acceptance. Like you. If you can accept all these different facets to your personality, then you’re going to be authentic to who you are at any given moment. Because you’re not fighting and not shutting certain parts of yourself down, like, like to go back to my marketing example. I was trying to present this image of myself as being this very together person who runs your own business and your spiritual and she does. But at the end of the day, I started to realize that people responded more when I was like, Hey, you know, it’s nine o’clock, and I said, I’m having a glass of wine, I’m sharing this message, because it felt really important. And that’s what people began to respond to. Yeah, much more than, than me trying to pretend with someone that I’m not, but I think you know, the comedian example. I think it’s true, whether you’re a spiritual coach, or a comedian or, you know, mechanic, you presenting a certain part of yourself in a certain in a certain way. And if you can accept that this is the part of you that’s coming forward now and then went behind the curtain, you know, maybe the dead comes out, or the partner comes out with a friend comes out. I don’t think there’s anything but authenticity, and that
David Ralph [32:48]
there’s somebody out there listening event, or is it just that you go through the journey, and you find yourself, because I think at my essence, is the word playful? I like to be playful. I like to just have fun and enjoy myself and not be too serious. But how does somebody transition from that kind of corporate environment where but maybe five or six years, I’ve been going to work, pretending but there’s somebody else to actually thinking, I hate this, like you with the legal secretaries. And you know, myself in banking and insurance, when you get to that point, you think, actually, I don’t want to be what you want me to be? Well, I don’t know a different way of doing it. I’ve kind of trained myself to operate. It’s like Pavlov’s dog. Every time I go through the door, and you ring a bell, I become this person, I don’t know how to break free from it.
Monique Williams [33:38]
One step at a time. It’s like that, how do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time? I don’t see any other way to do it. You because, you know, this is something that I think we spoke about in the last one to two people expect to be able to move from point A to point B in an instant, and you saying that you are you going to be able to there has to be a bridge, it has to be a stepping stone it didn’t take to get there. And I think that’s still perfectly true. I mean, how how do you move out of inauthenticity into authenticity? How do you move from corporate into running your own business? something you’ve got to you’ve got to decide who you know what what services you’re going to provide, you got to figure out how to market yourself. They’re all stepping stones. And I think that journey itself is the confidence builder. And it is the courage builder. And it is eventually the thing that will bring about that authenticity, because as most entrepreneurs learn, you got to figure out how to fight for and how to fight for what you want, and not give up and talk yourself around, talk yourself off the ledge. And and just figure out how to keep going. That’s how you make your, you know authenticity, how you meet your inner courage, how you meet that beautifully wild soul. So you take one step at a time and you keep taking step by step.
David Ralph [35:06]
What do you think of that thing now, thinking about this, but I don’t know why it keeps on popping into my head, but follow your passion and the money will come people. When I started this, people kept on saying that. And for a long time I was following the passion and no money was coming up that’s a load of old rubbish, or do you think there is an element of truth to that?
Monique Williams [35:30]
I think if you follow your passion, and you will be persistent enough to get to the money. You know, I think if you’re not following your passion, you’ll give up because you really want care. You know, if you’re not following your passion, you know, but then again, people people follow something that’s not their passion, and they make a huge amount of money from it. So I know that the passion has to be the motivator to keep going when things are really tough because it’s do follow your passion, it’s not going to be easy. It’s never going to be easy. You’re going to be challenged, you’re going to be challenged. And if you’re not challenged, maybe it’s not quite your passion. You know, maybe it’s not the thing that’s enforcing this growth that will help you ultimately become more settle. more joyful, more graceful, more compassionate, you know what it really is that, that it’s going to fulfill you. I said something about build it, and they will come? Yeah, that doesn’t make sense. And market it and persistence, find enough clients. And that’s why I say, you know,
David Ralph [36:43]
I agree with that as well. You know, I look back on everything. And I can remember creating products that I thought were gonna really fly, no one was interested. I remember, I remember doing so many things. And one of the things that I think came out of it all was I was flying, didn’t ask people actually what they wanted. And it was really bizarre. Now I’ve got loads of forums based around podcasting. And I basically say to him what you want, and they tell me, and then I do it. And a lot of it is free. I just record little videos, and I put them out and but it builds connection all the time. And so my marketing now but most of my stuff is based on the fact of me just doing what I do, you know, because that’s what people are interested in. It’s, it’s the fascinate until they become clients, I don’t go searching for clients at all, really, I just just connect with people. And then every now and again. And I started off with a product, which was $500 is now nearly $3,000. And I get more positive feedback on the $3,000 one when I did when it was like $500 it’s really bizarre. And I used to get crappy clients. I used to get the time vampires that used to suck labor energy, and they will didn’t read anything. They wouldn’t watch anything. They just want it. And you know, one on ones all the time. And I used to drive me mental money used to drive me mental. I had I had to go to and I couldn’t I was I went with the boobs out. I went with Well, the moves. Yeah, I got my moves out. And I’m quite impressed by them to be honest. And they’re not as perfect as they used to be. But they’re all I’m
Monique Williams [38:28]
glad that you still have it.
David Ralph [38:32]
But nobody wants it. That’s the bumper once you get to that age. So before we play the words of Steve Jobs that we do on every show as well. Yep, it’s beautifully wild. Still a stepping stone it Did you see it and you go well, this is how I feel at the moment, this is good. I like this, but I’m sure it’s going to change in three years to fantastically wild, or let’s get crazy, or whatever you do.
Monique Williams [38:58]
I have no doubt that it will go away again. When I started my very, very first business which was called the Healing Center online business. I knew I knew that it wasn’t exactly it. But I knew that it was a stepping stone, I knew that I had to just keep persisting and pushing and letting it all grow. So I kind of look up beautifully. Well now and I love but and I am really passionate about this whole new message and I’m doing the hard work behind the scenes and but I’m yeah, I I wouldn’t even consider suggesting this was the end of the story. No way. I mean, I I have seen so many evolutions in my life and my business and my clients lives that i think that i don’t think that anything is ever set in stone. I mean, even even looking at yourself and your journey and rebranding and Rican, you know, putting your authentic self out there. You know, there’s no way that that new brand will stay forever, either. I think that we we need to accept that we’re evolving, evolving beautifully while and evolving beings, who, you know, we’re never going to be happy settling. So, just least one version of ourselves, we have to keep moving, we have to keep growing. But you know, that said, I can say beautifully, well, I’m sticking around for, you know, five or six years.
David Ralph [40:21]
I can see join up dots sticking around for 20 years, but years, four years, I don’t actually see I can see a TV version, I can see movies, I can see, you know, I can see loads of things spinning off, but the actual hub of it, I can’t see myself walking away from it. It just feels so right, in many ways. And it was it was it was kind of right at the beginning. And then I think I lost my way a bit. I think I was in that financial panic zone, where I was trying to do everything to try to, you know, oh my god, I’m going under here, you know, and it’s not easy at the beginning. But now I’m stripping off left, right and center. And it’s it’s the hub is the absolute hub. And I don’t see it being anything other than what it is now. But with more things coming off it.
Monique Williams [41:12]
Well, that’s an evolution in itself, isn’t it? I think that when I look at my MA the evolution of my business, I think the core of what I’ve done and who I wanted to help us stay the same. It’s just that I’ve learned, and I’ve grown and changed in such a way that it’s just become more refined and more fun, I think to I think beautifully. Well, it’s much more fun than the Nick Williams card. Much more fun.
I think, yeah, the core of
what I want to do, is still the same as it was back in the beginning.
David Ralph [41:51]
Interesting, just jumping in again, because you say so many good things here. But you are out for fun you want to have before have fun, and only wants to have fun. And I recommend to every business owner, that’s it, isn’t it, it’s the fun, we’re no different when we’re a kid playing, nobody goes, I’m gonna start this business, and it’s gonna be so boring. But I’m going to do it every single day. You don’t want that day, you just want to have fun and essence. If you feel it’s fun, that’s probably better than saying follow the passion. Follow the fun, and the money will come even right.
Monique Williams [42:30]
I think it’s beautiful for the fun and the money will come. Yep. It’s um, it has to be fun, though, doesn’t it? I mean, that’s where we that’s where we build the persistence, and the motivation to keep going. We I think one of the most valuable things that I learned on this journey was how to laugh at myself. Yeah. And I and a couple of years, you know, I remember having that realization that I had, I had began to laugh at myself, open, it was taking all those layers of stress away. And it was brilliant. It was beautiful. It was it was it was wild. It was it was me recognizing that all the BS that I had in my head, about who I needed to be and what I need to do to make money and how much I needed to have another that was true, because none of it, none of it came true. And I had to step back and go, wow, you know what, I’m, I’m full of it, I am so full of it. And none of it’s working. So why not just let it all go and why not just have some fun here. And, and we’re not talking about you know, like I said a night and I’m home by myself and I got a glass of wine and I got motivated, inspired to suddenly send you guys this, because that’s what people did respond to. And it’s interesting, because I think a lot of the people that I respond to now and other the online business coaches and marketers that I follow, they’re just doing their thing. And they’re not trying to present this professional image that they know, they start, and they just doing their thing. And they’re inspiring people and they have these huge community purely because the danger to themselves. And I think that’s what it has to be. You know, it’s beautifully wild to me, and it’s you know, rebranding through and this is crazy Australian woman named capitalism, bipolar. And she’s just so often taken so straight down the line. And and you know, he’s making a huge amount of money, because she’s just out there being yourself and having fun, and sharing that fun with the world. And I think that’s the really big change that I’ve seen in recent years of successful businesses and people that I’m inspired by google it really doing spot. It’s fun, and laughter and laughing. So absolutely
David Ralph [44:44]
serious. Steve, Steve Jobs said stay young, be foolish, or whatever he said. And it’s true. Just Just be authentic. And you You seem a lot looser than you were the last time and the last time I bought I bought you a very good, but now you seem just No, it’s not relaxed, professionally relaxed, I suppose the way to say,
Monique Williams [45:06]
Yeah, lots of change, a lot has changed. And as I was listening to my recording the previous Fotolia it really hit me the just in the last three years, I’ve relaxed, I’ve turned out, I have taken a very different approach to my life. And said my business who I want to help how I want to do it. It’s some little bit maybe maybe you were the catalyst for that last time, maybe it was this whole discussion about self sabotage that really shit that all been a huge amount of change. A huge amount of change my life like I actually picked up and moved cities, not long after we spoke last time. And I am that had a huge impact on me so much more relaxed, where I am now not living in, in Sydney in the fast paced and a small group of people and, and neither nice now. Intuitive nudges that we get really do. Because I was the move for me, I remember just getting this message one day and in a voice said Move, move now do not look back. And I was like, Well, okay, we’re getting serious now. And so I literally I did, within about six weeks, I packed up and moved. And at that point was when so many of my other goals fell into place. My incoming Christ by that 25% without me doing anything. The apartment that I had been trying to find in Sydney, suddenly, it appeared here in Canada where I am now. I’m ready, randomly met up with old friends in these random places and built new friendships with them all of a sudden, it’s just it’s been, you know, the whole join up dots thing. It’s been such a crazy process over the past three years an amazing process. And a very liberating process to is seeing that. That little intuitive now that little spark. And suddenly, all these people are falling into place. And all these dots were joining up in ways that I I couldn’t have imagined even though I do this stuff for a living. And I help people in their own lives, it was still quite remarkable what happened. So I think I moved about two years ago now. So it was not long after that, that previous or cool. Just Yeah, just so very grateful, very grateful for all those changes that happened. And the way that a lot of those ways of stress that I had before had been lifted by some really simple chips
David Ralph [47:39]
is funny. It’s funny when you said you know, even though you do it for a living, you know, I, I was speaking to jack Canfield. And I said to him, you know, your law of attraction guy, you know, does it freak you out when these weird things happen? And he said, No, it doesn’t freak me out. It still surprises me. He says It surprises me all the time, you know. And I thought to myself, and I interesting that he still that he’s built his home base of his career with Amber. And he’s still being surprised by the simplicity of how these things occur. Well, I’m going to play the words of Steve Jobs now because I have to. And then we’re going to move seamlessly into the end of the show, which we called a sermon on the mic. But his Steve
Steve Jobs [48:17]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future, you have to trust in something, your gut destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [48:52]
isn’t a clever, but you can say in maybe 15 seconds, but we’ve taken an hour to say
Monique Williams [48:58]
so clever. It’s such a it’s such a brilliant, you know, every time I hear him say that. It I feel inspired, you know, and I think it’s spot on in that if I hadn’t had been able to look back on my life previously, when I got that message three years ago, or two and a half years ago, to just pack up and move, I wouldn’t have been able to do it, I would have freaked out, I would have stressed I would have been quite people have such a dramatic change in such a short time. But I knew and I knew because I had been able to review on all those, all those dots connected up in the past. And I couldn’t have foreseen the pile of moving cities, I couldn’t have foreseen that at all in that moment. But I just knew, I knew that I had to just do it. And I knew it would pay off because it was such clear, precise, forceful. It was just go, do not look back. You know, and and if I hadn’t, if I hadn’t done that I wouldn’t be quite as relaxed and chilled out about things as I am now. And that’s not decided is not still some pretty big challenges in my life, I’m building a whole new website, you know, I’ve sort of taken a little bit of a step back from some of the courses I was promoting. So, you know, I’m going to feel that income gap again, you know, coming up in the next couple of months, and there’s still a lot of questions, but then I came to medical as much, because I trust that the answers are coming, I trust that even if I do step back a tiny bit, it’s going to propel me forward even further and faster. Because I’ve seen that purpose is happening over and over again. And, you know, I just it’s such a beautiful concept, you have to be able to share with people to go back and join those dots in the past because it gives them so much faith and so much hope that all the changes that they want to build into the future, you know, they’ll be okay, it’ll all come together, there’s a you know, there’s a, there’s a voice, their little gentle guiding voice there that will help them take the right steps. And you know, if people can follow that I am, I am amazed at what people can create for themselves. When I just stopped and just stopped.
It’s a really, really cool thing to be able to help people do that, too.
David Ralph [51:08]
Yeah, I love it as well, confidently authentic, that’s where it all comes from confidence all the way through. But you’ve got to just allow yourself to be well, this is the part of the show that we’ve been building up to. And normally we will send the the guests the victim who however you want to describe them back to speak to their younger self. But this time, when somebody is joining up the dots for a second time, we like to send them back to the last time they was on the show. So this time, we’re going to press the theme. And we’re going to send you back in time to have a one on one with Monique Williams, maybe three years ago, his sermon on the mic.
Monique Williams [52:06]
share with my younger self brings one very, very, very simple idea that you can’t build everything at once. You really can’t. It’s this mistake that my younger self was made over and over and over again. And she had to hit a really critical point in her life, before she could turn around and face that particular problem. And it comes down to one really, really simple thing, being confident in that inner guidance, to take the leap of faith, but not expect it to work out exactly as you think that it should. And I say this to my clients all the time. And it’s been a dramatic turning point for me in the past for us to just go, Hey, you know what, it’s all Okay, we’ve got a huge task in front of you, you’re going to get it done. Don’t assume that you can get there. As soon as you think that you should. Because you know, that doesn’t work. And you know that pushing forward, which is create stress. So chill out, take a step back and let it happen, let it fall into place in the right timing, because you know that it always does, you’ve seen it over and over and over again. So take your foot off the accelerator, and just take it one piece at a time, one chunk of the time. That’s all you need to do.
David Ralph [53:48]
Monique, what is the number one best way that our audience can connect with you?
Monique Williams [53:53]
Well, they can head over to beautifully wild.me. And under the host, I can create a soldier’s day that I can sign up for and blog posts are going up every week. And hopefully sometime in the next three or four months, I will get the new podcast up and running through where I’ll be sharing all of that courage building insights, that will help people really fine tune their intuition and follow it and build the life that they really, really want to build.
David Ralph [54:19]
Well, we will have all the links on the show notes and money. Thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining up those dots. And I tell you please come back again, when you’ve got leave more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Monique Williams, thank you so much.
Monique Williams [54:37]
Thank you, David, it has been a pleasure as always.
David Ralph [54:42]
Monique Williams, all the way from Australia signal out every now and again. I was trying to press buttons to keep us going on a fast connection. But hopefully that didn’t detract from the conversation. And of course, the conversation was two people that have been through the journey as you would expect and have come out of the upper end being competent. You can be who you want to be you don’t have to force it. You don’t have to try to be something else. You don’t actually have to play a part. You can be accepting of all the parts but make up you you don’t have to be just confident person or sad person or happy person. It’s that that jigsaw puzzle that makes up a human being which is most important. Really focus in on that. Think about when was the last time you is truly authentic to yourself? When do you play the part that’s expected in a situation when you do what’s expected because you think other people want you to be like it, and just be aware of it. Okay, that’s what life is all about. Until next time, thank you so much for being here at join up dots and if you want to come across to the dream starters Academy and connect with us and get daily coaching, it’s all free, you can come across to the Facebook group and connect with us there. And until next time, we will see you again looking after yourself. Cheers. Bye Bye.
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