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Introducing Niall Doherty
He is a man on an adventure, or I guess you could call it a quest.
On one hand Niall Doherty is trying to travel around the world without flying, and on the other hand he will be finding himself on the trip.
Discovering the type of person that can strike up conversations with complete strangers, experience unusual cultures with fascination and ease, and suffer all kinds of discomfort but keep moving forwards.
And if you think that this doesn’t sound much, then just consider that Niall was extremely shy all the way through childhood into adulthood, and found building new relationships terrifying in the extreme.
How The Dots Joined Up For Niall
But instead of allowing this to keep him rooted in a situation that he was unhappy with in 2007, he left his hometown of Waterford in Ireland and set off to New Orleans.
Simply due to the fact that he liked the New Orleans Basketball team that played in the City.
And since that day, Niall Doherty has become interested in personal development, become a vegan, won a toastmasters contest, and started a website, which were dots towards taking the plunge on the last day of September 2011.
He left Ireland and headed east on a round the world trip, which he expects to take four years or so.
Good for him I say, and great for us that he has allowed himself a brief respite from the constant travelling to join me on the show today.
Well let’s bring onto the show to start joining up dots, as we discuss the words of Steve Jobs with the one and only Niall Doherty.
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Niall Doherty such as:
How the two things that changed his life were basketball and cosmetic surgery, and he wouldn’t be who he is today without either!
How we can all create our own realities in life if we choose to do so!
One of the best things to do is getting a dead end job in a foreign country!
How he once spent over $4,000 dollars to cross the Pacific on a container ship
How he isn’t a big fan of Duran Duran no matter how hard I pushed him in that direction!
How To Connect With Niall Doherty
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Audio Transcription Of Niall Doherty Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. join up dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:26]
Hello, everybody, how are we Episode 72 of join up dots, you know the format now, I will sort of rambled generously through an hour of conversation with my guests, and my guests will generally tolerate my rambling, but we’ve got a great guest on the show today, who between you and me, has told me that he’s semi naked. So that’s a little image for you, as you’re sitting there, spooning cornflakes into your mouth or whatever you’re doing. The guest is naked and he is a guest about is on an adventure or I guess you could call it a quest. On one hand, he’s trying to travel around the world without flying. And on the other hand, he will be finding himself on the trip, discovering the type of person that can strike up conversations with complete strangers, experience unusual cultures with fascination and ease, and suffer all kinds of discomfort, but keep moving forward. And if you think that this doesn’t sound much, then just consider our guest was extremely shy all the way through childhood into adulthood, and found building a new relationships terrifying in the extreme. But instead of allowing this to keep him rooted in a situation that he was unhappy with, in 2007, he left his hometown of Waterford in Ireland and set off to New Orleans, simply due to the fact that he liked the basketball team that played in the city. And since that day, he’s become interested in personal development, became a vegan, won a Toastmasters contest and started a website which were dots towards taking the plunge on the last day of September 2011. That was the day he left Ireland and headed east on around the world trip, which he expects to take four years or so good for him. I say honestly, absolutely. And great for all of us that he’s allowed himself a brief respite from the constant traveling to join me on the show today. So let’s introduce to you and start joining up the dots with the one and only Niall Doherty. How are you sir?
Niall Doherty [2:22]
David, I am great after that introduction. Thank you so much.
David Ralph [2:26]
Well, you Yeah, you know, I saw you face to so many people, because whenever I do an introduction like that, they always say, Oh, thank you so much for the introduction. But it’s just, you know, you can only weave around what you’ve done in your life. And if you were sitting in a nine to five job moaning and groaning, then it’s going to be a pretty rubbish introduction. But the fact that you’ve really taken control of your life, and you’re doing such amazing things, makes the introduction easy. So I will say to you, sir, thank you so much. You’ve made my life easy.
Niall Doherty [2:56]
I cool. I guess that makes us even then.
David Ralph [2:58]
It does make us even so. Been nudity that we were talking about in the introduction, you know? Is this a common theme? Are you now because you’re traveling around the world because I can’t imagine when you was walking around Waterford in Ireland. nudity was a big part of your day.
Niall Doherty [3:16]
Yeah, Ireland’s not a good place to be naked. Definitely not. It’s a little bit too cold, a little bit too rainy, a little bit too uptight. So yeah, I wouldn’t recommend it in Ireland, but I’m in Brazil right now. Not in a beach town. I’m in a city called Belo Horizonte. It’s the fifth biggest city in Brazil is 5 million people here. It’s about I think this closest beach would be a seven hour drive. But it’s still a lot more laid back. It’s the place I think you could walk around with your shirt off and people wouldn’t really mind.
David Ralph [3:50]
They would if I walked around with me shut off.
Niall Doherty [3:53]
Well, yes, it does depend on how you look. Yes, your shirt off.
David Ralph [3:56]
Sure. I’m not quite into move territory. But I’m my son sings he moves like Jagger whenever I sort of walk around the house.
Niall Doherty [4:05]
I like your son. Yes.
David Ralph [4:06]
Well, thank you very much. I’m sure that he would like you. Anyone who makes fun of his dad? He would like big time. Yeah. So so you’re in Brazil? Is it for the football because the football is coming up very, very shortly. We’re getting excited. In England, obviously, the Irish are probably not as excited. Um,
Niall Doherty [4:25]
well, you know, rooting against England is the next best thing for an Irish person to rooting for Ireland. So we always have that even if it’s not in the World Cup. But I’m not a not a big I’m not a huge football fan David you might you might wonder why am I in Brazil for the World Cup. I just arrived here two weeks ago. And it’s the latest stop in my round the world trip without flying. And really, I’m here because it sounded like a good place to live for a few months on my on my round the world trip. It’s for two and a half years now since I left Ireland. And it’s it doesn’t take that long to travel around the world without flying. What I like to do is stop in cool places and get an apartment and live there for a few months. So don’t, I don’t like feeling like I’m just passing through. I like to actually feel like I’m living in a place. Make local friends have the regular restaurants and coffee shops that I go to and get to know people. And here in Brazil, learning some of the language as well, because I imagine this is a country I would like to come back to many times in the future.
David Ralph [5:31]
It is a country that for many of us, especially in Europe, we kind of wouldn’t dream of going we all was down to Spain, we saw hit Europe because it’s quite easy. And I suppose further afield we go to America, you know in Florida and places. So what is it about Brazil that has really intoxicated an Irishman abroad?
Unknown Speaker [5:53]
Niall Doherty [5:54]
it’s a lot of things. A big part of it is just how friendly aren’t how open the culture is. It’s very, very welcoming. And especially where I am, this area of Brazil is known as the most welcoming, welcoming and friendly. And Minas Gerais says the name of the stage here, which I believe means great minds, because it used to have quite a lot of minds here. So there’s that part of it. There’s it you know, it’s it’s especially when you’re in a big city in the center of a big city in the nice neighborhoods, it’s very clean, you have everything you need. You know, I spent a lot of time in India and Nepal, Peru, few weeks in Bolivia, places like this, where it can be very difficult to get things done. Even if you speak the language. It’s just, you know, there’s they don’t have good processes for things. And even just, you know, a bus trip can be a bit of a nightmare. But here in Brazil, things work pretty well. And it’s actually a really fascinating country when you think that like Brazil have a space program like they print satellites and rockets in space. And at the same time, they have people living in the Amazon, still using Stone Age tools that have never been contacted by civilization. So it fascinates me.
David Ralph [7:11]
So they’ve got their own kind of like NASA program happy.
Niall Doherty [7:15]
Yeah, so they have satellites in space. I think they’re one of I want to say five countries that have satellites in space.
David Ralph [7:25]
Well, I’ll tell you what, I’m jotting that down. So if I’m ever in a pop quiz, and that question comes up, I can salute you, but the knowledge you’ve given us I had absolutely no idea. You know, when you think of Brazil, you think of beaches, you think of Copacabana, you think now that’s not that’s not even Brazil is a Copacabana. I’m thinking of Barry Manilow.
Niall Doherty [7:46]
Copacabana is in Brazil. That’s a beach in Rio de Janeiro. Is it?
David Ralph [7:49]
Okay, so I’m not so stupid. But we will get off of Barry Manilow straightaway. And obviously the football and that’s the sort of main thing and sort of space travel would never crossed my mind.
Niall Doherty [8:03]
Yeah, it’s a country full of surprises. Because it’s it’s so big. It’s so diverse. You have an amazing mix of people here. And everybody just seems to get along pretty good. And I mean, of course, I should mention that the women are absolutely beautiful here. And I’m sure everybody that’s on their mind is like what about the women? Are they really as beautiful as everybody says? And? Absolutely, yes, it’s a it’s very distracting.
David Ralph [8:30]
I would like to say that the women are beautiful all around the world.
Niall Doherty [8:36]
And it’s already see, have you
David Ralph [8:38]
actually been listeners of this show, they’re the most gorgeous, most gorgeous and sexually attractive listeners you would get.
Niall Doherty [8:46]
So I would expect from a show of such high quality as yours.
David Ralph [8:50]
And the main, the main a gorgeous as well, I’m going to be speaking in an older. So when you decided, you know, to start doing this, it was you know, you are the classic join up dots guest really, because it didn’t seem to be helpful ever. There was a there was a gradual sort of movement, and development, and just kind of yearning to change the person that you used to be to the person that you are now. So one of the things that sort of really did fascinate me was the fact that you were very shy. And you found it very difficult to build new relationships. So to be that person, and then take yourself where you’ve really got to form new relationships every second of the day, the most people would been too daunting to even try.
Niall Doherty [9:43]
Yes, it’s definitely been a process over the years, I think, you know, looking back and on the team of joining up the dots. In hindsight, there’s been two big things for me in my life that have turned me into the person that I now one would be basketball, strangely enough for an Irish guy. And the other would actually be cosmetic surgery
David Ralph [10:08]
was an expensive one, to be honest.
Niall Doherty [10:11]
Yeah, I wasn’t sure if you’d seen that on my site. It’s actually it’s kind of hidden.
But I guess we’ll start with cosmetic surgery. Because that really ties into overcoming shyness. So basically, when I was when I was a baby in Ireland, I there was something, there was something wrong, I was crying a lot, I was in a lot of pain, my parents didn’t really know what it was. So they brought me to the hospital. And they The doctors told them that I had a twisted testicle. And that the only solution was to remove us. It would have been nice if we had better tech medical technology know that they could just untwist us. But that was their solution. So that’s what they went ahead and did. And then when I was about 12, or 13 years old, becoming more aware of that that specific part of my body that teenage boys become aware of, I started to realize that there was something missing, and I was different from the other boys. And so this made me incredibly self conscious. And, you know, I felt like a bit of a freak. So doubt, I mean, I would have been a shy child Anyway, I’m sure because I grew up in the countryside without many neighbors and not a lot of social interaction. I didn’t have any sisters. So I was especially shy around girls, I just didn’t know really how to interact with girls. And then I went to this is very cruel, actually, my parents, they sent me to all boys schools, my whole life all the way up until college. So until I was 18 years old, I never had even a female classmate or really any female friends. So all that combined with the fact that I kind of had this anxiety and last self esteem from the fact that you know, the cause the surgery that I had, and the fact that I only had one testicle. This all combined to make me extremely shy, extremely anxious in social situations, worried what people would think of me, and really afraid to get let anybody get too close. Because I was worried that because I never told anybody about the fact that I only had one testicle. And I was I was terrified. If I let a girl get too close, especially that she would find out she would tell somebody, I’d be a laughingstock. So it was all like, all of my head really just I was imagining worst case scenario. And, you know, it got to the point where I was 21 years old, I’d never had a girlfriend, I was still a virgin. And I felt like I was constantly living in fear, worried what other people would think about me worried that people would discover the secret of mine. And one day when I was 21, I dropped out of college, I did two years of college dropped out in Ireland, I was working at a department store for a year at that point, I think and it was just a dead end job. And, you know, I’ve seen other people working in that department store and they’d been there 2030 years. And they seem pretty happy. They weren’t miserable or anything, they seem pretty happy with their lives. But I could tell that if that was me in 20 or 30 years, that I wouldn’t be happy. I felt that that would just that wasn’t acceptable for my life. So I kind of just realized I had to do something drastic to turn this around. And that’s something drastic was cosmetic surgery, I thought it would be a great idea to save up 5000 British pounds, secretly take a flight over to London, not tell anybody and have a strange English man, cut open my scroll drum and pop a ping pong ball in there, and then see me back up again, send me home. And I’d be just like all the other young men. And I wouldn’t have to worry about being less than anybody else anymore. So that’s what I went ahead and did. I worked two jobs to save up the money. And it was actually very good for me to learn self discipline and learn responsibility. But I went and did this and had to work two jobs and save up the money and everything and be very careful with my finances, and then organize the trip to London by myself, I’d never really traveled before, I was very anxious about change. And I was I was someone who liked to know, I wanted to know what to expect with any kind of situation. You know, if someone invited me to a party, I’d be like, who’s going to be there? How do I get there? What time is it started? What time is it over? I just didn’t like uncertainty at all. So this, this really pushed me out of my comfort zone and gave me a lot of confidence in that I can handle things that I could I could I could do what I needed to do. Can I jump in? Now,
David Ralph [15:05]
I didn’t want to jump in at any point. Because you were being so open and honest. I didn’t want to say anything, can you know it and take away the mood of it. But do you think the theme of many of the shows is that something bad is normally the catalyst for good in our lives. And it’s normally the bit that really pushes us on. Otherwise, if if it is the contentment zone that we’re in, we could ultimately end up like your work colleagues and just go in every day come back every day. And the people that have gone on to have kick ass lives, many of them have started from a much lower point, because they had to move away from that point. It’s like a survival instinct. Do you think that looking back on it now, although it was terrible growing up, and I can understand this whole mental trauma that you went through? Do you think that the event, if you did have both your testicles? You might have been stealing either now or do you think somebody else could have come along?
Niall Doherty [16:11]
Yeah, well, it’s, it’s an experience I’m now very grateful for. And I believe it’s, you know, I wouldn’t be who I am today or where I am today and living the kind of unusual, fulfilling life that I am today, if I had not gone through that experience. So yeah, absolutely. I think that’s it’s it, it was a blessing in disguise. And, you know, I used to cry myself to sleep at 17, 1819 years old and cursing my face and asking why me, and really feeling like I was the luckiest person in the world. Whereas after that experience, you know, after going to London and coming back, I mean, I didn’t magically gain confidence overnight or anything, there was like a whole decade of low self esteem that I had to overcome, that doesn’t just go away because you get some magical physical adjustment. So I still had to do a lot of work that way. But what that whole experience really taught me is that I could shape my own reality that I didn’t have to settle that if I really wanted something, I could find a way to make that happen.
David Ralph [17:15]
Do you think that’s possible for everyone? Niall, shape your own reality? anyone’s listening to this at the moment? Because that is such a fundamental thing that you’ve said. And that’s really what I want to scream at people, every single episode, do you think that everyone can create their own reality?
Niall Doherty [17:35]
To an extent? Yes. You know, some people will say that everything is in your control, like you have to take full responsibility. And if you wanted you have to go and get it. You know, other people believe in, in fades. And
that you know that you don’t really have any,
any control over what happens to you that you just have to kind of go with the flow? I would say the answer is somewhere in between. So if you’re, you know, I a diminutive teenage boy from Ireland and you want to play in the NBA. You know, the odds are really against you. I mean, it may happen, but that’s not totally up to you. You can do your best to fulfill that dream? Well, you know, some I think we’re all better suited to achieving some dreams than others. And sometimes, you know, not getting what you want is a good thing. Because it it makes you really evaluate why you want that thing and it opens up other opportunities. Yeah. So it’s kind of how you look at it really, it’s, you know, whatever way it turns out, is you just kind of have to accept it and go with it. But at the same time not settle. So it’s a it’s kind of a balancing act. Really. Why did you not settle Ben?
David Ralph [18:49]
What What was it about you, I know exactly what you were going through when you were with those people in that that shop, and you could see them. And you felt God, I don’t want to be like these people. Although they look perfectly happy. I have worked with loads and loads of people in in the last 25 years. And for many of those years, I was one of those people. But I had this nagging feeling inside that, you know, I remember when I was 16 years old, I thought I was going to be the new Duran Duran and then something else come along, don’t laugh, Niall, that this is enough to join dragons in this world. And Ben, was gonna be an you know, an alpha. And then I thought I was going to be a public speaker. And there was always something in the back of my mind that was saying to me, your situation at the moment is not your long term situation is only where you are. And it took took a bad situation for me to actually sort of jump jump into where I am now, which hopefully Fingers crossed. Is is the path I should be on. But what was it that really nagged you, was it? Was it one individual? Was it all of them? Was it just a fear of you know, what your situation could be being in the future future in the future?
Niall Doherty [20:06]
At that point, you know, when I was 21 years old, when I had this big change, come over here, where I realized I have to do something I have to change.
Yeah, I think it was me growing up, I always felt I was a little different. I always felt
that I would do something different with my life and something extraordinary, really just not settling for the ordinary, and I’m not even sure where that comes from. It’s not like, my parents were always telling me, you know, you’re going to be great, you’re going to be special, you know, I had I had great parents, but they weren’t telling me I was destined for anything fantastic. You know, I just, I guess I kind of grew up with the same as most kids in the Western world. So there was just something in me, I think that that told me I, I deserve more, or I should go for more. But, you know, I had a motor epiphany. A few years later, so I mean, after I got that surgery and everything, I I decided to go and live in New Orleans, because my favorite basketball team played there. And you know, I got a job there working as a web designer for university for a few years. And so I was there for three years, and I had a chance to extend my visa. And at that point, I kind of got the same thing like do I really want to continue with this working nine to five, the kind of standard American lifestyle really, and what, what changed me there was I seen a lot of other people online, that were, you know, writing about their experiences traveling the world running their own businesses, being very much in control of how they spent their time. And so that that served as the inspiration for that changes, which has led to what I’m doing now, which you know, I haven’t had a real job for three and a half years, and I been through 30 countries or so in that time. So at first, at first, it was something inside me that just told me not to settle. And the second big change was, I would say like seeing what other people were doing and realizing what was possible.
David Ralph [22:15]
That that is the thing, isn’t it. I say to so many people, you’ve got to become aware, if you’re just going to work moaning about your situation. And this show is not for people that are happy in this situation. If you are happy in a job, then brilliant, you know, credit to you just do it as well as you can every day and have a kick ass life. But it’s the ones that go to work. And they moan and groan about how everything’s rubbish. And when I come home, and they just sit on the sofa watching nine episodes of Grey’s Anatomy or something, and then they go back to work the next morning, and I go through that cycle, the only way you can break that cycle is becoming more aware. And I became more aware, when there was two, three things. One, I started reading a lot of blogs, from people yourself, and people that were earning money online. And I was thinking how is this possible, and especially the people at work earning passive income, where they could go to sleep and wake up the next morning richer, I was thinking this this this can’t be right, this, this blows my mind. You have to go to work. This is what you need to do. When I read thinking Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. That was a slippery slope for me. And then once I joined up with the four hour workweek by Tim Ferriss, then my door had opened, I could never go back. It was like I’d seen seeing the yellow brick road. And I had to step on that road and follow it and I’m still following it now. But for somebody like you, that you come from Ireland and the venue was over in New Orleans and stuff, was the was there a moment? Was there a website? Was there something that just made you aware that the travel route was the one that you needed to go on?
Niall Doherty [23:57]
I can’t remember a specific moment I can remember the bloggers that inspired me were people like Harlan rush, Chris Gila bow, I read the four hour workweek around that time as well. And that, you know, you can’t on you can’t on know those things, those possibilities. So yeah, those were probably the biggest influences on me. And the kind of social circle I had in New Orleans as well was was more like I always found in Ireland, if you had a crazy idea or a crazy dream. You may you may have seen this in England as well David that you’re kind of taught to calm down or not to get too carried away with yourself. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, whereas I found in a place like New Orleans, it was very much, you know, people would support that. It’s like it’s okay to be weird or to be different or to dream big. I’m not sure if it’s like that in all over the US. I mean, I guess it is to a more of an extent, and Ireland and the UK because you see American dream,
David Ralph [24:57]
isn’t it, they celebrate some success were in Europe and the United Kingdom. You know, if you get to a cup final, we always want the one who’s not expected to win for some reason. And we don’t celebrate champions as as much as other countries for some bizarre reason. I don’t know why.
Niall Doherty [25:14]
Yeah, and you know, what I always tell people, as you know, if they’re really stuck, and they don’t know what to do, and you know, does, they’ll just follow your passion advice, I don’t know what I’m passionate about, I think one of the best things people can do. If you’re stuck, if you’re in a dead end job is like, go get a dead end job in another country in a completely different environment. Because that’s just really shakes things up and get your, you know, gets the wheels moving a bit. And it’s not, it’s not that hard to do. I mean, you can go to a lot of countries in Asia and Latin America, and do that quite easily, you probably won’t make as much as you did back home, but the cost of living will often be cheaper. And again, you’re just you’re shaking up your environment. And that, that usually leads to good things.
David Ralph [26:00]
I was talking to a lady this morning, who who knows you and I find this kind of mad as well. But you online, digital nomads have got the kind of your own little club and you sort of know each other. And even though you may not sort of touch base very often, you’re kind of migrating like herds around the world, the being aware of you. And she’s a lady called Laurin. Julia, but who does never ending footsteps.com. And yeah, you’re welcome. How are you? Yes, yeah. And she was saying that she lives like an absolute queen in Thailand, with a cleaner and a gym membership and cheats out every single meal for about 300 pounds a month. So you could really, you know, you say go and get a dead end job. But if you could get a job which is an equivalent skill of what you’re doing in the United Kingdom, then you can live line absolute kingdom.
Niall Doherty [26:56]
Yeah, often the easiest one actually is teaching English. One of the easiest jobs you can get because you know, you know, your your your your English is perfect if you’ve grown up in the UK or Australia or US or Canada or anywhere like that. And a lot of these places in Asia Latin America crying out for English teachers don’t get fast. Quick,
David Ralph [27:18]
my mind me that I work with for many years, Kenny good bone. If you’re listening, Kenny a big up to you. I think you’re in Thailand at the moment. He went over to Thailand, and he was an IT guy for Well, 1820 years or something, you know, every time. The whole time that I was at this company for 10 years Can he was bare. And he left to go and teach English in Thailand. And he he had to give it up. He said it was a car crash every single lesson. And also, well, I don’t get how if he can’t speak English. How do you tell them what the word is that you’re trying to teach them? I can’t get that in my head.
Niall Doherty [27:55]
That’s a good question. Actually. I’ve never taught English.
David Ralph [27:58]
Not sure how to get past that. Yeah. So if I’m saying this is a Can I can I can imagine that I’m picking up a cat and saying cat and then learning. But when you go to sort of the the finer points of learning English, I just can’t fathom how you do it. And experts out there are probably going What’s he talking about? You know, this is how you structure a lesson. This is how you teach English. But I just can’t understand if I don’t know English. How do you tell them what you’re teaching them because you speak English and I don’t
Niall Doherty [28:28]
I have no idea how that works. So I’m not
David Ralph [28:30]
Niall Doherty [28:34]
I have the same question as you so that’s a stupid question. We’re both in the same boat.
David Ralph [28:38]
Well, I would do I would go in there and I would teach them all the lyrics of Duran Duran. That’s what I would do. And I would create a Duran Duran movement in every city in the world.
Niall Doherty [28:51]
That’s that could be your niche. It could be the Duran Duran English teacher is quite a nation.
David Ralph [28:55]
I must admit, I don’t think there’s a huge market for the Asian people singing gales on film whenever they walk around the street. Probably not around around Australia, other artists that would have more appeal. You’re dissing? You’re dissing Japan, Japan again. So I’m you Where are you at the moment as in your personal self. So you’re in Brazil, you’ve gone? Now I’m going to jump back to a different question. This is how my mind works. So you’re in New Orleans, and you’re quite comfortable. And you’ve been there for three years. And then you suddenly think, right, I’m going to travel around the world. Now most people would get an airline ticket, but you went, No, I don’t want to fly. Why actually make things harder for yourself?
Niall Doherty [29:40]
Yeah, honestly, it’s a terrible idea David if anyone’s listening, I don’t recommend they try this. I often ask myself why? Why did I decide to do this again?
Well, I mean, ultimately, the reason I decided to do it, and the reason I keep continuing, it’s three fold. So one is the challenge. I felt it would put me out of my comfort zone, it wouldn’t be as easy. And that’s certainly been true sometimes frustratingly. So. The adventure is another reason I just felt I would end up in some random places I would not otherwise have the inclination to visit, such as Iran, which, in which I have an amazing adventure, and an incredible experience. And then several other places as well that I wouldn’t have thought to visit crossing the Pacific Ocean on the cargo ship. incredible experience, not one I’d want to repeat, but very, very glad I did I did that one time
David Ralph [30:35]
how to do that. And then Oh, how how did you get on a cargo ship? Do you just turn up at the port and hang around for a while?
Niall Doherty [30:42]
Unfortunately, not I did try that. In Dubai, when I was trying to get a boat to India, I was just hanging out at the docks and asking random people there on boats if if they were headed to India, and if I could tag along. But unfortunately, you can’t really do that in this day and age. So to get across the Pacific, you basically Google around for cargo ship cruises, you find an agent that does it, you can hook it directly through the cargo ship company, you find an agent, and they will tell you what’s available and organize it for you. And so you pay them a small fee. But but the entire traveling by cargo ship, there’s two common misconceptions about one is that it is cheap. And the other is that it’s environmentally friendly. A lot of people think traveling by air, you know all the what’s what’s the the gas, the co2? Yeah. So they think, you know, flying is very irresponsible from an ecological standpoint. So it’s better to take boats, I think both of those are very false. It’s I paid four and a half thousand dollars to cross the Pacific on a cargo ship, I could have flown for about a quarter of that price. And it wouldn’t have taken four weeks.
David Ralph [31:56]
And it didn’t know be a little bit in your mind. That sort of went, No one’s gonna know. I could just fly out, save myself a few quid and you know, have a few beers and whatever at the upper end.
Niall Doherty [32:08]
But I know David I know Okay, as
David Ralph [32:11]
we go down things we have ashamed of it’s part of the growing up experience.
Niall Doherty [32:18]
But I wanted that experience I felt like getting across the Pacific was really they’re the most important part of this trip because it’s like, it’s the most epic part really to cross this massive ocean, you know, four weeks to get from Japan to Peru. And I’m delighted I did it. It was it was incredible. I mean, crossing the equator, you know, the most spectacular sunset I’ve ever seen with like dolphins dancing on the waves. And it was a friendship with three course meals twice a day was actually very nice. It’s not what you would imagine of a cargo ship. Nice cabin to myself nice passenger lounge to myself they had a gym in a swimming pool, aboard a boat.
David Ralph [32:56]
The only person I know who has done this in all my knowledge Michael paling.
Niall Doherty [33:03]
Well, actually, there is a, an Englishman, an engram us from Liverpool. I met him in India, funnily enough, he was on a mission to become the first person to visit every country in the world without flying. Nobody had ever done that before. It actually be a fascinating guy for you to get on the show. David he is. He has his name down. What’s his name? Graham.
Graham us from Liverpool. And that’s that’s
David Ralph [33:27]
so he hates you g hate. Yes.
Niall Doherty [33:30]
Yes. Okay, the ginger scouser as he refers to himself.
He’s a I mean, his trip was fascinating for years. Every country and not a single slice. Only person ever in the world to do is there is a guy from somewhere in Scandinavia now trying to become the second person to do it. He just sent me a video of his trip across the Atlantic Ocean, where he’s dancing with the entire crew of the cargo ship, which is actually pretty hilarious because you should have done this a few years ago. You because now countries spring up overnight. I bet you do the whole tour. You’d settle down. Go I’ve done it and somebody taps you on the shoulder and goes, Oh, Nikki Stefania has just developed Oh, God, here we go again. and off you go. It is it’s gonna that’s what happened to Graham Graham. have done every country hit the Maldives. And the Seychelles was last two countries. But in the time since it started, Sudan had split into South Sudan had become a country that he hadn’t visited. So he had to go up through Africa and visit South Sudan before he officially finished his trip.
David Ralph [34:35]
Not as good as Lucas Dania. But was it
Niall Doherty [34:39]
like a stadia. If you had your own country David is that what you would call it? I think
David Ralph [34:42]
that’s what I’m going to call it. Yes. Lucky staying here. I don’t I don’t know what the customs would be out there. But it’s a place
Niall Doherty [34:48]
I’d like to visit. I want to lick a stamp, stamp in my passport.
David Ralph [34:52]
Perfect. I will send you one I will create my own country. God are becoming egomaniac. I don’t know what’s coming over me. Started. This now is just a way of getting my message out to the world. And now I’m trying to change the world to me.
Niall Doherty [35:07]
That’s bad, isn’t it? Huh? I don’t know it. I guess it depends on what your what your values are. You might be a good person to to change the world?
David Ralph [35:17]
I think I am. And I’ll tell you, a man who changed the world in many ways, is Steve Jobs and at this kind of point of the show, this is when we play the speech that was very iconic in 2005. And fortunately for me, it’s still iconic now. And to a man and a woman. When I play this, most people will say yes, I’ve got it on my fridge or Yes, I remember the first time I heard it. And it certainly had that kind of effect on me. So I’m just going to bring Steve into the into the session now. And then ask you your feelings of these words and whether they’re relevant to you today, or have they ever been relevant. This is Steve Jobs
Steve Jobs [35:53]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clearly looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [36:28]
So what do you think, sir? Two words?
Niall Doherty [36:33]
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That would, when I look back,
like I said, the cosmetic surgery, you know, I felt cursed at the time, asking myself why me now I think of that as a blessing. And it’s really helped me become sort of have shaped my character, and allow me to live the life that I’m living. And when I think of, you know, I used to be absolutely obsessed with basketball. That’s all I was interested in as a teenager. My obsession with basketball led me to learn web design, they wanted to build a website about my favorite basketball team. And then that obsession later led me to open move my whole life, to New Orleans where my favorite basketball team played. And that was a great experience for me was my first time living abroad, I went over there on my own, I had to get used to making friends on my own.
And then the
just New Orleans itself really shaped me, I think there’s, there’s,
there’s a lot of character in that city.
And a lot of great people in that city, I got there two years after Hurricane Katrina. And it was an interesting time to be there. Because there was a lot of people coming to the area who wanted to be part of the rebuilding process and wanted to contribute to something greater than themselves. So I think that really influenced me. And you know, when I, when I look at business now or writing on my blog, a lot of it is how does this help people? You know, how does this add value to the world? And all that really started with basketball? And, you know, I would have had no clue that that’s where would lead me I’m not I don’t even like basketball that much anymore. I barely watch it. But the opportunity that opens up for me, I mean, the fact that I learned web design, I’ve been making websites that since the 90s, that allows me to make an income online now. So it’s a it’s led me to some really great places that I couldn’t have predicted.
David Ralph [38:31]
Well, what was the vibe, like out in New Orleans, because I spent a few days down in New Orleans and this was before the hurricane down on Bourbon Street, is it in, in New Orleans?
Niall Doherty [38:43]
And Bourbon Street is the main street, right? Yeah.
David Ralph [38:45]
And Canal Street, I think runs all the way through the middle. And it’s big. And it was very fun, vibrant city. And obviously with the, you know, the trauma and the devastation that occurred was a kind of subdued was there. Because you didn’t know any different. You just didn’t know any different or was it sort of tangible, but something terrible had happened?
Niall Doherty [39:09]
It was it was definitely tangible. I mean, the fact that I never knew it before Katrina makes it hard for me to compare, you know, it’s often like Has it always been like this, there’s a just since the hurricane. What from what I heard from other people, it did bring people together, it gave people more pride in their city, it made people more resilient, it made people realize what was really important to them. You know, because a lot of people lost their homes, and lost loved ones. But when it came to possessions, what most people were upset about was like losing the family albums, you know, losing the memories and, and and their ties to to loved ones that weren’t around anymore. It wasn’t the big screen TV or the wardrobe or anything like that. All that can be replaced. But those memories of the best times your life are very hard to replace.
David Ralph [39:57]
I can’t imagine having your life this wipes, wiped away diaper and an overnight as well. You You go home, the next day bang, it’s all it’s all gone. Did you see that kind of resilience, more abroad where these situations can occur more often? Because, you know, I live in the United Kingdom. Yes, we have flooding. Yes, we have snow. Yeah. But you I I personally haven’t had anything devastating occur to me, but just I couldn’t control in any shape or form. So I don’t think I would have that resilience. Do you think you see that resilience more because it is more likely?
Niall Doherty [40:37]
in New Orleans, I think I yeah, that was definitely the case. I’m trying to think of other places I’ve been where they’ve, they’ve had tragedies like that.
And not really spring to mind. But I do think
a lot of places, they they’re much better than we are in Ireland, the UK and probably US and Canada are similar as well. Much better. appreciating community and living in the moment. They, they seem, especially I mean, it’s poor countries a lot of the time, because they don’t have much, they can rally around each other more. And they they value relationships above everything else. Because that’s really how you survive, right? If you don’t have a lot of money, you’re going to depend on people, which you know not to not to say that dependence is a great thing or anything, but the relationships that leads to are often what people value most in their lives. And I think we lose a lot of ash by you know, you get a job be completely independent. And you don’t need anybody. And you know, you can get entertainment, not from going out with your friends or anything but like from a screen, constantly connected to all the world’s information. So we definitely do us out like that. And you see some Asian cultures like Thailand, kind of losing that I think you go into the SkyTrain, and Bangkok, and everybody has their phone in their hand, you know, eyes glued to the screen. And I’d wonder like 1015 years from now, you go back to these places. And if there will be the same cultural attractions there. If you if you really feel that as much,
David Ralph [42:20]
it would be nice, it’s never going to happen, because progress is going one way only. But it would be very nice to be able to go back to a simpler life, where we could step back and go, look, we’re all going to be addicted to all this connectivity. We could actually change it somehow. I don’t know why. Because you know, so many ways. It’s brilliant. And the fact that we’re having these conversations now is is amazing beyond anything that I can comprehend. But there’s a certain amount of technology, which is, is a drug. And it is something that we we love the fact that we get an email, most of the time, emails are rubbish anyway. But most of the time, oh, I better check back and I better check this and I better check. But I don’t know how we would get do that maybe time travel is the only way that we can do that in invent a time travel.
Niall Doherty [43:07]
That would be a good a good little business,
David Ralph [43:09]
which of course is never going to happen. Because we would know that it’s happened before because somebody would have gone back further and we’d know about it.
Niall Doherty [43:16]
But maybe they can tell us for some reason, because that would that would destroy everything or the world that the universe would implode. You can’t less the people in the past know that time travel exists.
David Ralph [43:28]
You can’t tell me that time travelers wouldn’t go back and just one of them had too many shanties. And then then it’s just simply believe in
Niall Doherty [43:38]
selling. We believe that in the buyer, who says he’s a time traveler from the year 2014, as I would I’d probably just move away from that guy.
David Ralph [43:46]
No, you see, you haven’t mastered building relationships.
Niall Doherty [43:51]
So until I can talk to the potential time traveler in the bar, seems like he might have had a little bit too much to drink.
That’s the that’s how I know.
David Ralph [44:03]
I must admit, I’m not selling it well here. But I believe that there is a positive to that side of things. I don’t know what it is. But the effect, and it is it is an important part, isn’t it? You know, joking aside, being able to create instant relationships. You know, what, what I’m doing now is something actually that I think I’m naturally good at, and being able to interact on a very sort of natural level with people, we’re until we press record, I’ve never spoken to before. But in a wider sense, that really is how you become a mover and shaker, isn’t it by being able to connect with people and build relationships across the globe?
Niall Doherty [44:44]
Oh, yeah, it’s, it’s huge. And even, you know, online for me, because you know, I’m constantly traveling, it’s hard for me to have friends Wherever I am, or to build relationships wherever I am. That online community is so vital for finding work and for feeling like you for giving you a sense of home, you really need that. So I try and Skype with friends pretty regularly and check in with people like I called my parents once a week and text my mother every day.
So it is it’s you need that sense of belonging? Do you ever get lonely?
Yes. If you asked me two years ago, when I was six months into this trip, I would have told you that I think loneliness is it’s a sign of dissatisfaction with the present moment. It’s a you wanting to be somewhere else instead of really being present. But I’ve kind of changed my tune about that. Now, I don’t think that’s always true. I used to think it was silly to miss people. Because when you miss people, you’re basically saying, I want to escape this moment. I’m not happy with this moment, instead of embracing that moment. But I think it’s perfectly reasonable to me, I believe that to an extent. But you know, I’ve gone to a lot of places, a lot of tourists places on my own. I remember I went and did a waterfall and elephant Safari in India. And I went on my own for the data driver, but he didn’t really speak English. And it was just, I mean, even though I saw this spectacular waterfall, I see these elephants being being baited. It was I felt a deep sense of loneliness, because there was no one there to share that experience with. And especially some, you know, not just a random person, but someone I care about who cares about me, and who knows me and we share values. And we appreciate the same things. So I am starting to miss that more here in Brazil, I was very excited about coming here, because two good friends of mine from the US agreed to come down and live with me. So we just were moving into an apartment here on Friday. And we’re going to be here for three months. And I really missed having that. That kind of brotherhood or that that circle the local circle of friends where you know, you just, you get up in the morning, you have breakfast together and chat a little bit, you go hang out together and do things. As cool as the travel lifestyle is, you really do start to miss that. If you’ve been away for a while.
David Ralph [47:18]
Now I can imagine now. And it’s the simple things like eating on your own. But that must be very hard. So I remember somebody wants telling me that if you are ever gonna eat on your own, always go in with a pad and a pen. Because then the waiters think that you’re doing research or you’re a taste tester. And you get better service and quicker service. And that kind of because I see the single person making notes. And they will bend over backwards for you. I don’t know if that’s true or not. But I’ve always thought yeah, if I have to eat on my own, I’m always going to take a pad and opinion.
Niall Doherty [47:51]
That is very clever. I’m definitely gonna try that. Let us know where you know.
I’m all about experimentation. So happened to try that a few times. You won’t talk too drunk
David Ralph [48:03]
Time Travelers, but you’re more than happy to create this fabrication lifestyle for yourself that they think that you’re a taste tester. Well, I am going to next time I meet someone at a bar who tells me they’re a time traveler, I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt. I’m going to remember what you said, David, you’ve you’ve you’ve opened my mind a little bit. Absolutely. And that’s what this show is all about. It really is. I think that the the last question I just before we put you on the Sermon on the mic, and we do send you back as a time traveler, what a Segway that was, is. You said that you haven’t had a proper job for three and a half years. And I bet there’s a lot of people out there listening to this going, I’d love to do this. I’d love to do what this chaps doing. How do you earn an income to keep your travel going consistently?
Niall Doherty [48:52]
Mostly these days, it’s for a lot for most of the same since I had a job. It’s been freelance web design and development. So Bill websites for people. And most of my clients would come through my network or through my blog, because I’ve had a blog online for a few years that it’s not super popular anything but it does. It does. All right. And most people would like it’s actually strange people come to me like I love your blog, and I need a website, can you build one for me, and I’m kind of a, you know, you’ve no idea if I’m a good web designer, you like my writing, it’s kind of like, you know, you have a really good plumber. So you ask him to
give you bypass surgery or something because he’s such a good plumber now, but
David Ralph [49:37]
what they’re looking at, because I’ve read your blog, and you are absolutely honest, the person that we’re speaking to today is bad person. And if you read enough in your blog, you get a flavor, but you’re not going to screw them over, you’re going to do a good job, you’re consistently professional, you can just see that. And that’s what they’re buying into, isn’t it? They’re buying into the fact that they’ve actually got to know you by the content, you put one line.
Niall Doherty [50:02]
That is true. It’s that the lesson there for me is people want to work with people, they like it more so than they want to work which you know, the absolute best person at that skill?
David Ralph [50:15]
Why don’t you understand that?
Niall Doherty [50:18]
No, I’m saying that’s the lesson for me there. It’s still it still is on you. It’s funny for me, though, that people will they don’t even ask to see my portfolio. They know that they they like my character and they liked my writing. But, you know, even though I will, they can be assured that I will do a good job. And I will I’ll be honest, I could still be a horrible designer all day, you know, and just not be very aware of it or just not I could be colorblind. Who knows? Thankfully, though, I think I am a good designer.
David Ralph [50:52]
But do you know point out websites that you’ve done?
Niall Doherty [50:56]
Yeah, usually I do. But the strange part is a lot of people don’t even ask, see that. They just say I need a website. I like your blog, how much if I want this, this and this? Without seeing any previous samples of my work?
David Ralph [51:10]
is purely down to you know, I bet I bet you can get so much business from hearing from people out there today, hearing your story. And certainly the earlier part of our conversation where you were, you know, deeply honest, people cannot fail to resonate with that and think this guy is open and generous.
Niall Doherty [51:32]
Yeah, it’s, it’s, you know, I mean, I, I try and publish things that make me a little uncomfortable, I kind of see that as a, as a sign of, it’s what I should do. I publish all my finances online, I’ve been tracking everything I’ve earned and spent for the last three and a half years, and I do a for my email subscribers. I published a monthly report showing this is exactly how I earned my money last month, this is exactly how I spent my money last month. And you know that the thing about being very transparent is that you kind of forced yourself to live through truer to your values. So, you know, before I kind of do something or decide to do something, to the test of whether or not it’s something I should do for me is would I be comfortable telling the whole world about this? And if the answer is no, that’s a sign that I need to think twice about doing it is like, Is there some shame there? You know, why? Why am I afraid that people for people to know about this? I’m not saying you have to tell everybody about everything you do. But if you’re afraid to or you’re ashamed to, I think there’s something there you need to you need to dig a little deeper and ask yourself, what that’s about. Or if you really should be doing that thing.
David Ralph [52:46]
I have a phrase, but quite often I will say also, I bypassed my quality control, Chip Ben. And that is when my mouth will just say things. But afterwards, I think to myself, why did I say that? I’ve been very aware doing this show, but I really don’t know where the contents landing. And it could be the fact that there’s a family in a car listening to us, and so on. It’s strange, actually, that my quality control chip has been fine tuned doing this, where previously where I, I’ve been a trainer for 2030 years, something like that. And it was very much dealing with the audience. And I knew that once I said something it had gone. And that was in that was in that moment in time. But when you do something like this, and when you’re doing blogging, it’s out there forever, isn’t it is evergreen you somebody could come to this conversation in 15 years time and find it and go. Ah, that’s interesting. So you got to be very, very careful of what you say, because you can’t raise it on the online world.
Niall Doherty [53:50]
That is true. But I think that is a problem online as well, as you know, as sometimes that people read blog posts I wrote three or four years ago, and assume I still believe the same things. And I mean, if I did believe the exact same things they did three or four years ago, I would have wasted the last three or four years. Yeah. So I think that’s an important thing to for people to realize is when you watch a video or read something online or read a book anything just because someone believed it, then they may not still believe it. And and as well as that just to separate someone’s beliefs from you know, whether judging whether or not they’re a good person, because beliefs can change and often do. I was thinking that when somebody
David Ralph [54:35]
splits up, and it’s terrible when a relationship ends, but when they go, it’s got to come to an end because you’ve changed I think, well, thank god they’ve changed, you know, why would you want to be with exactly the same person that you were with 40 years ago, or 20 years ago? You know, if you ask my wife what I’m like now, I feel like I’m exactly the same probably getting better looking. Who knows? Better? chichi would say, Oh, no, you were far more of this way. Or you were far more that way in the old days and stuff. And you certainly didn’t grown so much putting your socks on in the morning. I make I make terrible groaning sounds. Now when I put my socks on. I don’t know why. It’s um, yeah, just just not just must be age. But you’ve got to change. I mean, you got to change and it would be stupid if we’re, you know, 50 year olds, still watching Dora the Explorer every day, you know?
Niall Doherty [55:26]
Yeah, I actually remember when I was in New Orleans, many years ago. And I decided to make a list of like, the characteristics of my perfect woman. And I rank them in order what the type of person she would need to be. And one of the top ones, I think the top one was change oriented. So someone who like to who embrace changed and and sought to grow, and to push yourself. That kind of thing. But I changed it soon after day because I actually met like the woman, a woman who ticked every item on my list. But I realized that forgotten the nation, which was perhaps the most important, which was mutual attraction. She wasn’t into me at all. Were you into her? Oh, yeah, she was gorgeous. And she, you know, I thought she was like the perfect woman. And then every day is our number one on the list needs to be mutual attraction, because without that whole alcoholic betters. Yes, sir. Plan B.
David Ralph [56:25]
Yes. Get them drunk. Absolutely. And as long as you can keep them topped up for the next 20 years. You’re on safe ground.
Niall Doherty [56:34]
Keep them dry. 20 years, keep them drunk for 20 years. I’m not sure you should be in charge of the world. No, I don’t think so. No,
David Ralph [56:40]
Lucky, lucky. stina are lucky stand. I can’t remember what it was now. It’s never going to happen. But I tell you what is going to happen. And it’s a perfect segue to the end of our show. This is the part when I put you on the mic. And this is the Sermon on the mic when I send you back like a young Marty McFly in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you went into a room, you you spotted young Niall sitting there? Would you ignore him? Or would you go over in and strike up conversation? So this is the Sermon on the mic?
Niall Doherty [57:33]
Okay, Niall, young Niall, this is yourself 20 years into the future, I’m going to give you five pieces of advice. These are things that will come in very handy, and you won’t have to learn the hard way. So number one would be not to shy away from discomfort, you tend to do that a lot, you see it, when when you’re afraid of something you think stay away from that bush, what you should really do is think of fear, like a signpost, usually, it’s pointing towards the very thing you most need to do not the thing you need to run away from. So that’s number one. Anytime you experience discomfort, that’s an opportunity for growth right there. So lean into that. Number two, would be to start a business. So you, you’re growing up thinking that the best way to make money is to get a job. And that’s one way Bush, it’s very limiting. So what I would suggest strongly suggest is that you go out there and figure out a way to make money yourself to start a business to provide value directly to people and get paid for. Because once you get the money thing handled, everything else becomes easier. money buys you a lot of time and a lot of opportunities to do a lot of things. Number three, would be to travel more. So embrace uncertainty, you don’t really like going new places at the moment. But this ties in with number one, that discomfort you need to lean into a travel, great opportunity to push yourself out of your comfort zone. And to learn new things, learn about yourself and how you handle different situations and interacting with different people. Number four would be to learn a language I know it really sucks in school, they’re teaching your French right now you don’t care, we’re teaching you the Irish language, you don’t care. And yet, you’re never going to use that one. But French would be handy to learn. But more important to learn how to learn a language, because your third language is going to be much easier than your second one. So get a handle on that as soon as you can, it’ll open up the world to you. And the last piece of advice I give you nail number five is that secrets are not good. So keeping secrets, they’re going to eat away at you. It’s you won’t you won’t even realize it. But it’s it’s a weight on your shoulders, and it will weigh you down and eat away at you. And you’ll always be worried that someone’s going to find out about your secret. So what you need to do is be the one who lets that secret else. So tell the world about it. Don’t be ashamed. If someone’s not going to like you because of some some thing you put out there in the world something you tell them, they’re not a good match for you anyway, you don’t want those people around you anyway. So let your secrets go. you’ll attract the right people into your life and you get ready to rid of the wrong people. So that’s my advice to you. And I’ll and overall, you’ll be just fine. Stop worrying so much.
David Ralph [1:00:28]
I think they are great words of advice. And I think you know, I think you are a great man, not just a great guest, I think you’re a great man. And I’m personally pleased that you’ve come into my life because the passion and the enthusiasm. And I have to be honest, a bit of lunacy, there’s certain things that I think, you know, four and a half grand, no, no, just just get on a plane, just fly across, and then enjoy yourself at the other end. But it’s the integrity for the mission, which is really sort of set you apart. So I’m sure there’s so many listeners out there today, but would go and need to get in contact with this chap. How can they do that?
Niall Doherty [1:01:05]
Yeah, best way would be to go direct to my website, which is in Doherty. com, that’s my first initial and last name. Do h er t y. And you can go on there, you can jump on one of my mailing lists. And you can always email me through the contact form there. I’m not all over the social media thing, I pretty much just focus on Facebook. So there’s a Facebook page for my blog. And there’s my facebook profile where you can, you’re welcome to add me there and I will happily add you back. Just tell me you found or you heard me on this show.
David Ralph [1:01:45]
Now, it’s been an absolute delight having you on the show. And although the show’s not going live to the ninth of July, as he was talking now I’ve written the title. And I’ve never told anyone that I’ve written a title for your show. And I’ve called it for my show like going to a no fly guy. This man has taken a leap of courage that is astonishing. And I think it really is there’s so many elements to your life, but I don’t think I would have the personal strength to see it through. And it’s absolute credit to you. And so thank you so much for coming on the show and spending time with us today. joining up those dots in your life. And please come back again in the future when you have more dots to join up because I believe the only way to build our future is by connecting our past Nial Doherty thank you so much.
Niall Doherty [1:02:31]
David massive thank you to you love what you’re doing with this show. You’ve definitely got a new listener here because I only recently discovered it. So please keep the good stuff coming. Thanks mate
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