Pipers Dojo founder Mr Andrew Douglas Joins Us On The Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast
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Introducing Pipers Dojo Founder Andrew Douglas
Pipers Dojo Mr Andrew Douglas is todays guest joining us on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots business coaching podcast interview.
He is the founder and CEO of the Pipers Dojo, the number one place to go for all your bagpipe needs.
He learned the pipes at age 8 from his father, Bruce, who sent his interested son on to the great Donald Lindsay for lessons by the time he was 9.
Through Donald, our guest had the opportunity to meet and study with amazing world famous piping greats.
Though only in his early 30’s, he is already known as perhaps one of the top bagpipers in North America.
But its not just playing these iconic instruments where he has come into his own as his compositions were featured on more than one World-Championship-Winning performance.
How The Dots Joined Up For The Pipers Dojo
He is the author of the “Bagpipe as an Extension of your Self tutor“, which has inspired countless pipers to learn and re-learn the pipes.
He has a passion for developing true expression in players, based on their own thoughts and ideas.
But what was it about these instruments that so ignited his passions as a small child, away from the standard piano and guitars that most children pick up.
And what does his neighbours think when he gets the urge to practice during the wee small hours?
Well let’s bring onto the show to start joining up dots, as we discuss the words of Steve Jobs in todays Free podcast, with the one and only Mr Andrew Douglas.
During the episode we discussed such weighty topics with Andrew Douglas such as:
How he believes that in life the most important thing is to be willing to detour from your original plan to find a way around the obstacles.
How he spent five years as a child at boarding school and really feels that it was the making of him as an open minded, travel hungry piper.
How he wont let anyone knock him off his path to greatness by making him feel guilty that he is spending so much time on his dream.
How he feels that he might alienate some of the connoisseurs of bagpiping by blending the traditional with cutting edge modern technology
Why he flossed for over six months just to prove to the hygienist that flossing was a waste of time, and was astonished what the lady said to him at the end.
How To Connect With Andrew Douglas
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Audio Transcription Of Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:27]
Yes, hello there. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome to Episode Two to four of Join Up Dots. It’s going to be one of those shows that you won’t have heard before. It’s about a subject but you won’t have heard about before really, unless you come from maybe Scotland or Highlands. It’s something that we all know about. We all can do a passable impression. But when it comes to actually the technicalities, and the passion that comes by actually becoming an expert in it, when most of us haven’t got a clue. Now today’s guest is the founder and CEO of the Pipers dojo, the number one place to go for all your back pipe needs. He learned the pipes at age eight from his father Bruce who sent his interested son to the great Donald Lindsey, but lessons by the time he was nine and through Donald, our guest had the opportunity to meet and study with amazing world famous piping greats, but only in his 30s. He’s already known as perhaps one of the top bagpipers in North America. But it’s not just playing these iconic instruments where he’s coming to his own, as he compositions with featured on more than one world championship winning performance. He’s the author of the bagpipe. As an extension of yourself tutor, which has inspired countless Pipers to learn and relearn the pipes. He has a passion for developing to expression in players based on their own thoughts and ideas. But what was it about these instruments that so ignited his passions as a small child away from the standard piano and guitars that most children pick up? And what does his neighbours think when he gets the urge to practice during the waste more hours? Well, let’s find out as we bring on to the show to start Join Up Dots, the one and only Mr. Andrew Douglas, how are you, Andrew?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [2:02]
I’m doing very well. David, thanks so much for having me. And for that awesome introduction.
David Ralph [2:06]
Should we should we confess, should we confess Andrew, I like to confess, that was the second time I recorded that wasn’t it that there was there was some weird words in there that I had to edit. I just couldn’t get my mouth around them.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [2:16]
It was you took out some of the great papers that I’ve studied with, I’ll just fill you in just because I’m so grateful to a few people in particular, Jim Gilbert was after Donald was my next great bagpipe instructor. And from there, I went on to study with jack Lee, and his brother Terry Lee, who, you know, if I had to name just the top three or four instructors, those would be who they are.
David Ralph [2:43]
Well, you did a good job them and I salute you. And I salute all of them. And it shows the point that Join Up Dots isn’t about perfection. It is about a journey, isn’t it? And we’re all on a journey. And if you can share your failures as well as your successes, it makes it more powerful in the in the long run. Now you’re doing something and I’m going to cut to the chase because you’re doing something which is I would say unusual. But is it is it just that in my world, there’s not sort of herds of bagpipers walking around blowing the pipes. Is it something that you because you’re in it, you’re surrounded by us or thousands of them? How common is it across the world?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [3:21]
Well, it certainly seems common to me. It’s what I do, you know, 12 hours a day. At least every day.
David Ralph [3:27]
Well, yeah. But if I eat them 12 hours a day?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [3:30]
Oh, no, certainly not. I wish I wish I could play more. As you know, I run I run my business here where we teach bagpipes, and sell bagpipe supplies and stuff like that. So I talked to literally, almost seemingly everyone there is at some point or another. So it seems common, but you’re right. I mean, it’s pretty, it’s a pretty rare thing. Although I will say that. In Scotland, there’s been a huge renaissance of the bagpipe. There are tonnes and tonnes of schools that are teaching bagpipes now, tonnes of bands, and things like that. And then in pockets throughout North America, there’s a sort of a big bag piping subculture that exists. And I’ve had the privilege to hang out in several of those places like Toronto, like Vancouver, British Columbia, even San Francisco. And then now I live in Albany, New York, of all places, which is a small city, north of New York City where there’s a big, bad piping population here.
David Ralph [4:31]
I got heavily drunk in Albany, New York. And I got snowed in and we ended up in this bar, and we got hammered. And I’ll be honest, I don’t remember hearing any bagpipe music, but I was so far gone. Yeah, I could have heard anything. Really?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [4:45]
That’s right. Well, as you can imagine, I mean, just this North Eastern area of the United States has sort of a heavy, Scottish, and Irish influx of immigrants over the years. And so I think that’s what’s led to this part of the world having a few bagpipers here and there, although you’re right, we should be hearing more of them at the bars, especially when it’s snowing,
David Ralph [5:08]
because he’s one of those kinds of musical tastes, that you don’t realise you like it until you in the right vicinity for it. If that makes sense. I wouldn’t ever think of putting on bagpipe music. But if I was walking around Edinburgh Castle and somebody was playing it, it would be perfect for that location. And it would add to the ambience of it Oh, did you find that is a problem, but that people feel that they have to play bagpipes in certain locations where most people would just start strumming on a guitar or banging away on a piano and be quite happy wherever they are.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [5:45]
Right? I mean, it’s certainly it’s one of those instruments that has logistical challenges beyond what the guitar would have. And so it’s definitely a bit of a problem. For example, we’re, we’re looking into moving here moving the business here shortly, for a variety of different reasons, into a different, you know, facility. And it’s hard, because we need to be able to make that kind of noise from time to time.
David Ralph [6:09]
And he’s loud. Isn’t he so loud?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [6:11]
It’s not it’s not as bad as you maybe think it is. Right? But it’s certainly loud. Yeah,
David Ralph [6:17]
no, Andrew, it’s loud. I’ve stood next to those people playing those beings. It is really loud. I, I can’t imagine there’s a lot of practice. And this is what fascinates me with you, as a young child, practising when you go to practice about neighbours aren’t banging on the door and stuff because it’s not like a piano is it’s not like a guitar. It is loud.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [6:39]
Right? Well, I mean, our home was not in a densely populated area. So when I was a young kid, I could just sort of play and of course, my dad being my first and primary teacher, obviously, he was able to encourage me without wanting to run for the hills. And my mother always says, you know, at first she wasn’t thrilled the bagpipes. But I also certain points, I didn’t switch but I added the drum set into my practice routine. And I think that’s what drove her the most crazy. So So what’s
David Ralph [7:13]
your dad? A Bagpiper? Sort of second generation? Was he the first one always he’s gone down the sort of 80s in your your lineage?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [7:21]
Well, my grandfather also played the storey there is that my grandfather and my father got involved with the local pipe band in Syracuse, New York. You know, back in the day, let’s say because I don’t really know the exact year that would have been, and there was actually some great Piper’s in the area that taught them really well. And my dad became, as I’m sure you can imagine, right? My dad also started maybe around 10 years old. And so he picked things up really well. My grandfather was a decent Piper, for sure. And, but nothing to the extent that my dad was and then of course, when, when my dad taught me how to I had a great foundation as a result of him being an excellent Piper himself.
David Ralph [8:05]
And what was was it that really sort of got your juices going as a kid because it’s, it’s an unusual and there’s no getting away from it is an unusual instrument to want to pick up in and really become the expert, but you have?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [8:20]
Well, it’s a great question. My dad had a surgery which prohibited him from playing for many years. So when I was age zero through age six or seven, I had no idea my dad played bagpipes. And then I had an aunt that got married and wanted my dad to play at the wedding. And I remember vaguely as a young kid thinking, that’s weird. That’s going to play well. I guess I sort of, I guess I sort of knew I sort of knew that my dad had played bagpipes. But he was
David Ralph [8:52]
he was in the closet Wasn’t he was a classic Bagpiper?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [8:55]
sort of not really though. I mean, my whole my whole family was involved in the band. So I must have had some some inkling that it wasn’t, you know, this wasn’t a huge surprise. But so anyway, he got them out and started playing and I remember the first time I wandered down into the basement and just checked it out, up close and and centre and and it was I think the rest is history. As they say I was just really taken with the sound. And I’m sure I was taken in some way with Wow, my dad’s like, an amazing bagpipe hero, you know, check this out. And so I wanted to do that. And and from there. From there, it was just, I just kept going with it. He could have run out and gone.
David Ralph [9:37]
My dad’s blowing up an octopus, please, please.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [9:41]
That’s right. I’m sure some kids would probably have run the other way. But I was I was drawn to it. It was an amazing, amazing sound and really cool music. And like you say, I mean, it’s different than a guitar isn’t it? is a mystique about it.
David Ralph [9:54]
Yeah, I like the bit. I was listening to practising and I’m going to play it a little bit later. And there’s a lot of it. That’s kind of one note drone. And you’re you’re going to hate me for saying that. But when it starts going diddly diddly diddly I really quite like it? And it’s it’s the tune for bit that sort of comes on the top? Is there different styles of playing are there that kind of some sort of melodies but I was hearing at the beginning before the first started tapping and you kind of imagine people drinking in a bar listening to the deadly deadly stuff.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [10:27]
Right? There’s all sorts of different styles of playing. And it’s a really serious thing. You might you might never suspect that. But it I’ve been involved in all sorts of different areas. I’ve been involved in playing folk music, and what we’re really involved is, is competitive bagpipe. We do that we compete as bands, bagpipe bands and as soloists. And, you know, myself, and most of my equate acquaintances in bagpipe are really into this, for example, we have a band, and we go and compete in Scotland every year at the world pipe band championships. And I’ve played in a variety of different excellent bands. And I guess, what am I trying to come around to? Yeah, there’s tonnes of different styles. There’s this there’s slow, sombre styles, meditative styles, and then there’s fast toe tapping different styles. And
David Ralph [11:21]
and that’s sort of, yeah, there’s a huge depth to what you can do. What’s your favourite? What’s the one that you go in? And you’re playing the music you’re getting for all the stuff? And then you go here? Because this is the one I really like.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [11:34]
Right? Well, I mean, I think that in general, I would say my favourite thing to do is to play and pipe bands. That’s my, that’s my number one favourite thing. And so we play marches and stress bays and reels. And and basically, any of that is fun when you get the band tuned up and sounding really great. I’m not sure. Have you ever heard a really top notch pipe band before?
David Ralph [11:56]
The only time I’ve ever heard one? And I don’t know if I would talk? No. I went to see Paul McCartney once and he was doing the classic wings on Malkin tire that has like a Scottish walks at the end. And the bagpipers came out. And I couldn’t tell if it was a good one or not. It was very impressive that they all came out banging their drums and playing that, but um, that’s the only time I think I’ve been in the vicinity of a band. Van. Ben, just sort of an individual Piper standing on a hill somewhere.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [12:27]
Great. Well, I mean, I’m sure I’m sure Paul McCartney wouldn’t hire a terrible band. So I’m sure that was pretty good. And, and then the other thing, the only other thing I would say is if you’re ever in Glasgow, and the second week of august 2 weekend, will end the week of there’s a huge festival as well. But make sure you check out the world pipe band championship. It’s an amazing thing. And there’s some amazing music that happens there.
David Ralph [12:51]
So let’s play a little bit of them of you doing the do and then we start talking about actually how they score the World Championship how no good Piper against another one because they all sound pretty good to me. This this is yourself. And if you tell us afterwards where this was done.
Do you know Andrew? I forgot to turn the volume down my headphones. That was loud. That was real. Wow, that was really loud. I’m half deaf in both ears now. So what what was that style of because I call it deadly deadly. But obviously that’s that’s not the official name of it. So what Yeah,
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [14:14]
so that style is called a horn pipe. Which is basically a dance tune as I’m sure you can tell. And it’s played in a very modern style a horn pipes that have evolved over many years. It’s played in a modern style there and and that was me jamming out at a benefit concert. A while ago. Now. It’s like, I must have only been, I must have only been like 23 or something
David Ralph [14:38]
that year, and you’re over 30 Now, are you?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [14:41]
I just turned 30? actually.
Pipers Dojo [14:44]
David Ralph [14:45]
So when when you doing bad when you’re jamming out? Are you just making it up? Or are you doing something structured?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [14:53]
Well, that’s a it’s a great question. Generally speaking, the bagpipe culture is very structured, sort of, you know, this is the way this is the way that you play. And I’ve always been a little bit of a rebel in that way. I don’t really do things exactly the same way, even though I have a good mastery of those traditional fundamentals. And so that was a combination of a well established bagpipe tune with some changes thrown it along the way. Sometimes they’re improvised. Sometimes they’re planned out. But but that’s my that’s my solo style. It’s all seldom ever play something the same way, twice.
David Ralph [15:32]
So So how would you actually start blowing into a bagpipe? Is it all path? Or is it a bit that you do with your arm when you saw going up and down? Or how does it work?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [15:40]
It’s interesting, there’s different ways of thinking about it. For me, it’s actually all about the squeezing arm. So there’s a bag, right that supplies all of these reads that we play. And the arm sort of squeezes and applies pressure to the bag, which sends air through those reads, right? And then for me, the blowing is just what keeps the air in the bag. So it’s squeezable, so to speak.
David Ralph [16:04]
Oh, sorry. It’s kind of like a church organ band with the bellows or pushing through through the pipes. I always thought it came from your mouth. And you was blowing into it. But that’s it goes the opposite way.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [16:15]
Yeah. Well, I definitely blow into it. Yeah, you definitely blow into it. And that air is what is used. But, but the bag itself, that’s the, you know, that’s the real air supply for all the reeds.
David Ralph [16:29]
So So let’s start talking about how do you make a living on this, if somebody’s sitting out there and knowing corporate land, and they’re thinking God, I’ve got a bagpipe my my dad left it there in the carriage? Is it something that they can pick up and start sort of making a living? Can they sell the products quick event, learning the actual playing of it? Or should they learn the playing of it, then sort of like branch out as you’ve done?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [16:56]
So the question is whether you can start selling bagpipe supplies?
David Ralph [17:01]
Yeah. Can you make it live? Is it enough? need out there for bagpipes selling company in the United Kingdom as well as in America? Or have you cornered the market from your end?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [17:13]
Well, we certainly haven’t cornered the market. So So the answer is yes, we have. We have a vibrant sort of commerce section of bag piping that exists. There’s a lot of a lot of different bagpipe experts that are out there teaching and some expert retailers that are out there retailing. Our angle is that we sort of, we’re trying to do it all, we have our unique, we have our unique vantage point on how to learn and think about bag piping, and that we supplement it with the supplies that you’ll need. But yeah, there are lots of different retailers out there. And generally speaking, I think it would be, I think, sure anyone could source out some bagpipe items and start selling them. But but there’s, there’s a lot to it, especially because it’s because of the expertise that you need in order to be able to recommend and know how all the products work together.
David Ralph [18:06]
And what about actually learning it could only pick one up? And could I play a tune quickly? Or do I have to spend years actually learning how to do it?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [18:16]
Yeah, that’s another thing. It’s another thing where we are, where we are opposed to the traditional view of things. So the traditional view of things is, well, bagpipes is really hard. There’s actually a saying out there that it takes seven years to make a Piper, which I don’t know about you. But if you ask me to start something, and in seven years, I might be good at it. I’m going to go find something else to do. That’s a lot, isn’t it? Yeah, well, it’s it’s interesting. I think it would definitely take seven years to make a master Bagpiper. But we’re big on. We’re big on starting off beginners, and trying to have them with tunes that can play within a few weeks really, if they’re motivated, because anything longer than that, and I don’t think you’re going to keep people for very long.
David Ralph [19:03]
And what is the struggle for a beginner? Is it to sort of get any arm going? Or is it the what to do with your mouth? Or the fingers? What where is the bit? Because it is like patting your head and rubbing your tummy somewhere, isn’t it is it is trying to get that going?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [19:17]
Yeah. So basically, when you learn the bagpipes, you start off on a practice instrument that I should actually have one here, but I don’t see it. I can give you a little toot. But I don’t actually have it here, right now, which is too bad. But it’s a little quiet practice instrument similar to a recorder, except for that it has a read and instead of like a whistle mouthpiece. And we start people out on that. And I think the challenge is twofold. Number one is the finger work is very difficult. And then number two, it transitioning to the bagpipe is also quite difficult, because then you have to combine what you’re doing with your fingers. And what you’re doing to get the instrument going, which is a sort of like riding a bike takes a little bit of coordination. And so I think the process requires traditionally requires a tonne of patience. And our our process, which is meant to be more efficient, still requires some patience. And I think that’s the biggest challenge. It’s not like it’s not like a drum where you can sort of bang on a drum from day one and probably make some cool rhythms on the very first session with a teacher.
David Ralph [20:30]
So have you always wanted to be in is or have? Did you have a path that was away from the bagpipes when he was going through college? You know, you’re still a young man now. But if we took you back to sort your 15th and stuff, and you’re going through college or wherever you were, was this always your plan? Or did you have a different route?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [20:49]
Yeah, I am i i think that I dabbled with different plans along the way. A lot of different plants. I remember, I think that thing that has really put me on this path, there’s there’s been a couple defining moments that have put me definitively on the path of, you know, forget everything else. Let’s, let’s just do this bagpipe thing. Was it was the first course I failed in college. It was a economics course. And I the first course I failed it. And frankly, I failed it because I I didn’t apply myself really, you know,
David Ralph [21:25]
it wasn’t something I wanted to do.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [21:28]
No, I kind of blew it, let’s face it, I blew it off. And, and I failed it. But of course, I’m not a you know, traditionally, I’d have been an all A’s guy. And it was my first year in college, and I failed this course. And I was like, forget it, I’m going to study music. And so that’s when I dove in, and I, you know, got into my music degree 100%. And then I had a similar experience when I was done with college, working at a job which, you know, it was a perfectly good job. I was in a cubicle I was doing phone customer service and, you know, being paid not nearly enough, you know, to make that job enjoyable.
David Ralph [22:05]
Which, which is of course the whole that’s the whole thing, isn’t it? I mean, he’s easy about D? Do you need money to make something enjoyable? Or is it the actual task? But is the key thing?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [22:17]
Yeah, I think I think the task was, the task was not it wasn’t terrible, but it wasn’t, it could, it could never have been something I could have been passionate about. And I eventually, you know, I eventually came to the conclusion that if I, if I committed to teaching bagpipes, 100%. And I busted my butt, I could make more money or as much money as I was making here. And it would be something that I enjoyed and something where I could really do a lot of good.
David Ralph [22:49]
So how did you get your marketing on that point? So you’ve suddenly got this idea of, I don’t like the corporate gig. And literally every storey has this moment in it, and you think I’m gonna do my own thing. But how did you know there was enough people out there that would want to be top bagpipes?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [23:07]
Well, it has to do with has to do with two things. Number one is I already had a few students, I already had a few students who I would teach lessons to in the evenings. And that was enough of a base to get started. And then I also would, I would also travel. So I started, I started off travelling to different pipe bands around the northeast of the United States. And teaching that because I had a lot of experience there. And I had you know, and there was a demand for people like myself, who knew how to really put together a good pipe band. So I would go off and I would teach those things. And I figured out that if I could, if I could find somehow three more students and pick up one more band client, I could pay the bills. And so I took a little bit of a leap of faith there.
David Ralph [23:56]
What was scary when you made that decision? Because what what you did you worked it down into its practical bits and bobs, didn’t you? You looked at me and I need this amount of money to pay the bills, I need to go out and find this amount of people, and it’s kind of doable. But was it still scary when you was actually doing it?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [24:14]
It was scary. But at that time in my life, I you know, I didn’t have a lot of I didn’t have a lot of things that needed to be paid for, although the huge exception, of course, is the student loans, which are, you know, a huge thing. So I did have to make enough money to pay for those. And I had to pay some very reasonable rent. So it’s a little bit scary, but it wasn’t actually I think the scariest thing was making the decision and choosing to stick to it. The actual process of getting going. It’s not that bad.
David Ralph [24:46]
Why? Why was that scary? Having that decision that you’re sort of saying this is my life? Now? This is what I’ve got to channel my energies into?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [24:54]
Yeah, exactly. And what what there’s always the what ifs? You know, what if? What, if it doesn’t work out, then what do I do? But there’s always things you could do, for example, I made sure to leave this company on good terms. So I could always probably call them up and figure something out. And
Unknown Speaker [25:13]
I don’t know, I it’s
David Ralph [25:15]
you did you pitches did you, you you you wanted an escape route?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [25:20]
Yeah, there’s always like, some contingency plans that you know that that are there, I think whenever you make a big decision, and they have to be there, or else you can run into trouble in anything, whether whether it’s pursuing your passion, or just, you know, getting to the mall, you know, going going shopping you there’s always the, you know, if the road is closed down, here’s what I would do, and it wouldn’t be the end of the world.
David Ralph [25:44]
But that’s the thing about life, isn’t it. And that’s the thing that, I suppose is the message we try to get through on the show on a daily basis. Vat is like, I don’t know how I’m going to go from here to there. And if the road is closed ahead, I’m going to look for an alternate route. But when people are looking at their own personal lives, their finances their dreams, it’s almost that they aren’t looking for the detours, they’re just looking for the straight route, which you just don’t get Do you have to make pivots, you need to reverse you need to go round in the corner. It’s a squiggly line that you’re going to be creating for yourself.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [26:21]
Absolutely. And the detour is off, you know, you usually start a detour. And you think, man, this is terrible. I’m on this detour. But how often do you how often do interesting, or potentially life changing things happen? When you’re on a detour of some kind, whether we’re sticking to the, you know, to the concrete example of just having to take a different road somewhere, right, you could see something interesting, maybe you you find a gym that was way closer to home or a public library. And then one day you go to that library, and you read a great book, and everything could change. And you’re right about that, you know, the detour is not I’m all about the that I’ve taken so many, especially recently, especially recently in my life, and it’s like, wait a minute, this is great. How did I not know about this before? And this and the teacher is and so
David Ralph [27:11]
quickly or actually within yourself? Did you actually consciously go in a different direction to your plans when you would have done maybe two or three years ago?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [27:22]
Yeah, certainly. I mean, there’s a great geographical example. My wife and I just bought a house. And the first time I went to the house, it was like, What the heck you want me to go where and look at a house. But I drove out there and, and we loved it. And it was perfect, perfect fit. So that’s a sorry to stick with the boring example. And then, and then in life, there’s been tonnes of things. I’ll give you one example. Where everyone, when I tell people about this, they they think I’m crazy. But it was the most amazing detour imaginable, which was Jim Guillory, which was the name you had trouble pronouncing, you don’t have
David Ralph [28:01]
to say again, you don’t have to say I’ve allowed my failures to be shown.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [28:07]
Okay, so Jimmy Guillory, who’s just a name, I guess, neither here nor there. But he he, I met him through a bagpipe school that Donald Lindsey put on. And he got hired at an all boys private boarding school, north of Toronto, he got hired to revamp the bagpipe programme there. And they, they were sort of working with him. And they said, We need a poster boy for the new piping project. And he knew about me, and he talked to my parents about me going to this boarding school, which Toronto is about six hours from where I was living in sort of rural, upstate New York, right. And one day, my dad was like, hey, so what do you think about this, and which is basically like, moving away from home at age 13. Going to this boarding school, studying with Jim a gallery, which I was all about at the time, because I was passionate about piping, and I wanted to do it. But you know, no girls totally away from home, it’s going to be totally weird and bizarre. And I was like, dead. That sounds awesome. Let’s do that. And so I ended up living at an all boys boarding school for five years. And it was one of the most amazing experiences imaginable. Really, it was so cool. I met so many great people. And, you know, that’s a detour where somebody from where I was from, you know, kids like us, we went to public school. And we, we went through and we graduated. And if we were lucky, and super, you know, super hard working, maybe we could get a scholarship to Syracuse University or something, and then you could get a job, you know, but it was just a detour that came out of left field all because of bagpipes and sort of turned me into a crazy world traveller and hooked me up with all sorts of interesting opportunities. And you love it, don’t you? I can hear in your voice. You you love doing what you’re doing now. Yeah, it’s, it’s, I absolutely love it. And yeah, it’s kind of like I wake up, I wake up really early in the morning, which is another characteristic that I learned from jack Lee, who was my next big bag piping mentor, you know, jack Lee would wake up at like four in the morning and start to go to work on bagpipe stuff. And when I when I actually had the opportunity to live with him during the summers for a few years, and I thought that man was absolutely crazy. And now I get it. And I, my wife will tell you, I don’t actually wake up at 430 anymore, but I’m up by like, 530 every day working on bagpipe stuff. It’s crazy. And what
David Ralph [30:55]
time do you go to bed vote?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [30:57]
I don’t make it much past nine. Usually,
David Ralph [31:00]
there you have it. Because I’ve found that my early routine I’ve always had, has become compressed by my late routine I’m finding about on the show. I’m working later and later on later. So I go to bed about our past 12. And I get up about five and write in my head. That’s not a lot of sleep. But I feel now that my body is kind of getting used to it. And God, you don’t have a lot of time to do stuff. It’s amazing.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [31:24]
Yeah, I don’t know, I think I’m still a little bit lazy, right? If you do the math on my schedule, I still, I still need like, eight and a half hours, or else I’m just I or at least I tell myself, I need Hey, I really need
David Ralph [31:39]
a set number, isn’t it? Everyone says eight and a half hours. And I don’t know why we always throw the half hour in because what what difference is that gonna make across the globe, everyone says eight and a half hours is what you need. And I don’t think that’s the case anymore. I think it’s much better to have maybe four hours of coma sleep when you die. And then you sort of wake up sort of refreshed more than the current. You wake up and you check the clock and you go back to sleep again. And you don’t you know, all that kind of stuff, which I think you do by having the longer burst.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [32:08]
Yeah, I think you’re right about that. I would love to be one of those people. I think maybe I just lack the self discipline to drag myself out earlier.
David Ralph [32:17]
You can do it, you can do anything you want. That’s the message of this show. If you make decisions to do something, you just need to want to do it.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [32:26]
I certainly think that all all of my experience in my life has taught me that I can do anything I put my mind to do it. You know, and I think there’s just some things that for whatever reason, go by the wayside, you know, healthy eating, and healthy eating and fewer hours of sleep. And I don’t know, flossing, flossing, you know these things for some reason. Sometimes, actually, that’s not true. I become obsessed with flossing.
That’s not a real exam. I can’t do
David Ralph [33:00]
flossing. I can’t get my hands around the eyes. My dentist is always saying and I don’t know why we’re talking about this. But I just don’t know how to do it. I look in the mirror and causes the opposing view to what I should be doing.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [33:14]
Right. I mean, I hear what you’re saying, I this is totally off topic, but maybe it’ll maybe it’ll be entertaining. But I went to that. I went to the dentist and it’s always this. It’s always this thing. It’s always this unpleasant experience. And after you go through the unpleasant experience, they always tell you, you should floss more. And I got it into my head. I told my wife. I think they’re full of crap. I don’t think you need to floss. I think it’s just something that they tell you because that’s what dental hygienists
David Ralph [33:48]
teli sending products. That’s what you were thinking, isn’t it?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [33:50]
Well, not so much. I would hardly I would never fault anyone for trying to sell a product. But But anyway, I said you know what I’m going to do. I’m going to floss every day from now until my next dental checkup. And I’m going to call their bluff on this. So I went out and I got one of those little flosser tools. And I did it I floss every day for six months. And I went back to the dental hygienist And do you know what they told me? Now? The end of my guess? Yeah,
David Ralph [34:22]
I can’t I can’t even imagine why you’re going against dentist. Ask Lou. You dentists up I’ll prove it. But anyway, what did they tell you?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [34:30]
Well, sure enough, we get to the end of the appointment. And the dental hygienists to aside from this annoying flossing thing is a perfectly nice lady. She says, you floss every day, don’t you? your gums are in amazing health right now. And I was like, you’ve got to be kidding me. I sort of like yelled at her. I mean, lovingly, of course. I wasn’t trying to be mean. But I was like, You gotta be kidding me. This really works. And so now I just floss every day.
David Ralph [34:57]
See, that is the gold in this episode, put the fact that you you tried to destroy the myth of flossing for the world and you’ve been swung. But in a way, it is a sort of metaphor for life. Again, I can find a metaphor for life. Yeah, that’s fine. The metaphor is let’s do this now as you are willing to be persistent on something, to find the gold at the end of it, and be more open minded. And that that’s the gold Isn’t it? Isn’t that what life is about?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [35:27]
Yeah, it’s interesting. I mean, I think you gather in life you gather a lot of friends and enemies when it comes to doing something 100% and going for it. And I think that’s that’s the interesting thing, right? It’s like, I went with the flossing thing. I stuck with it. And I’m, I think I’m open minded. I was open minded to giving this a shot. And and I think that it paid off, right, that small example. But I think that’s that represents who I am as well. You know, like, first the bagpipe world can be better. here’s, here’s how it could be better. here’s, here’s my, you know, my new business, helping you make this a better experience. And I’ve met a lot of friends and enemies in the process. But you know, but the friends are, are so much you know, such a great reward for that.
David Ralph [36:21]
But that that is a key thing, isn’t it, but that the more successful you get, the more naysayers and enemies that you’re going to get. But But loyalty of your supporters outweigh the negative? Totally. And I think you realise that when you get something going that’s worth while, before you start, you kind of want to spread yourself thinly, so that everybody loves you. And then once it finds its feet, you realise that, hey, that’s not going to be possible. And there’s going to be people that don’t like me at all. And then why should I worry about them? You focusing on your target audience, don’t you?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [36:57]
That’s right. Yeah, the most painful part that process is when you realise that, quote, close friends of yours, are no longer going to be your supporters because they, for one reason or another, don’t like the fact that you are so aggressively and enthusiastically going after something. You know, it could be it could be jealousy, it could be competitiveness. That’s the hardest part. I think it’s certainly been a struggle for me.
David Ralph [37:28]
How have you overcome that being? Because that’s a clear, clear message for everyone as well. Because so many times when we mentioned our dreams of what we want, the first thing that we get is that never happen. You’ll never do that I’ll give you three weeks and all that kind of stuff. So how have you gone for those dreams?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [37:46]
You know, generally, I, over the years, I have set a few key rules for myself, you know, naysaying is people can they say if they want, but generally, I just disregard that. So whenever somebody may say something, I disregard it. Now, that can be challenging when, when it’s a close friend or a family member that does that. But you know, the proof will be in the pudding there, and your friends that you know, your true friends and family are not going to just like you if you prove them wrong in that matter. And then there’s, there’s this thing I read, I read in a book, along the lines of the currency of guilt, you know, and I’ve tried to that’s my number one rule, I don’t let anybody try to extort things out of me with guilt, which seems off topic. But you’ll get a lot of that when you start to really press forward on your crazy dream. You know, there’ll be people out there who, who decide, wait a minute, this, that guy’s pursuing a crazy dream, and I could, I could derive X, Y and Z from, you know, being involved with that person. And and I think if it’s a fair exchange, that’s one thing. But then, you know, the line gets drawn when when you start to deal with people who are like, oh, I’ve got a, you know, I’ve got a back room you can use for your office? Oh, yeah, it’s totally, totally great. You should do that. And then then you realised later that, you know, there’s sort of interesting things that don’t pertain to your vision that are going to be required in order to, you know, cash in on that favour.
David Ralph [39:24]
And let’s play some words. I normally play it sort of a lot earlier in the show, but I think it’s about the right time for this because it is doing something that is right for you against anything else. And Mrs. Jim Carrey,
Jim Carrey [39:35]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take it chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [40:02]
Did you take a chance and doing what you love? Or was it just something that you thought you could do? And you’ve grown to love it?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [40:09]
Well, I mean, it’s definitely, it’s definitely taking chances. And that does it. But like, I think I was mentioning in my blabbering at some point earlier in the show, I mean, just make sure that you have potential detours set up just in case. And then and then go for it. And you definitely take a chance. And there are definitely going to be I don’t love the word sacrifice, but there’ll be things that you have to give up along the way, but they’ll be worth it. Because the reward is so great. Should you succeed, right? potential reward is so great. What
David Ralph [40:45]
you’ve given up on them what when you look at your life, because I was saying to somebody earlier, I haven’t had a pint of beer for I can’t remember how long and because there’s always something to do. And I don’t want to be sort of drinking wells doing it. So I just I’ve kind of stopped, but I know I’ll drive past pubs and ping to a pint. I’ll become like an alcoholic. But I’m, you know, maybe one and I’m sorted again. So what once you have that you kind of thing. Yeah, I would love that. But no, no, I’m going to hold back on it.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [41:14]
Right. I mean, I think I think even just staying staying up later at night and going out on the town. It’s like, you know, by 10 by 10pm. I’m tired. I can’t. I can’t keep as I’m sure you can imagine that’s just a jam room,
David Ralph [41:29]
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [41:31]
It could be it could be. But as I’m sure you can imagine, I mean for a Bagpiper not to be into the drinking culture is is definitely strange. And and sometimes you kind of want to be you want to go out there and be able to put down and and I’ve heard I’ve heard previous shows with you before where you’re mentioning the same phenomenon. It’s like one or two and I’m sorted out I don’t need you know,
David Ralph [41:55]
yeah, maybe one now. I reckon it’s been so long, I would have one be uncontrollable. I don’t know what I would do.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [42:04]
Right. Exactly. And I’m kind of the same way. And, you know, for me, it’s not that’s not a great sacrifice, right. It’s, it’s something I’ve exchanged to be able to wake up early and have have five hours of work done. Before, you know, many of my contemporaries would be out of bed.
David Ralph [42:22]
So so is your focus on the business or the playing. I’m just looking at the introduction as we’re sort of talking and the course every year the World Championship in Scotland. Have you ever won that first up?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [42:36]
I have never one I, I mentioned jack Lee earlier, he invited me to play he and his brother Terry had a band called The SFC pipe band, which is still a great band. And at the time, they sort of recruited me to come play in the band, they had just won the world’s I actually never won the world’s with the band, we were second four times. But it’s this big massive undertaking. 40 or so people and they they work their butts off in the summer, mostly right, like from May to June, let’s say or for from May to July. And then in August, we would pilgrimage to Scotland and try and win the World. So I never actually won, I came pretty close. And one of the things you I think you mentioned in the introduction was some of my music was actually played by the band. When they one later I left the SF pipe band was from Vancouver. And after I was done with school, I left and came back here and sort of became a leadership figure in our local pipe band here. And so we’re still working on that. That project of building a great band from the northeast, at the moment, but and yeah, that’s sort of that sort of the deal. We spend a lot of time with that. We spent a lot of time on that. And that’s a big passion of mine.
David Ralph [43:54]
And a Is it a dream to win the World Championship?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [43:57]
Yeah, absolutely it for me. For me, I’ve made it way harder for myself where I decided at a very early age, you know, we need this kind of thing. In, in our part of the world where we come from, this part of the world has never really had that there’s, I think there’s been a lot of dysfunction here and there for all sorts of different reasons. And one of my life missions is to, you know, be a part of a band from this part of the world and American band, an American band has never won the World pipe band championships. And so that’s just sort of like this weird obsession that I have. And I’m totally fixed on it. And going back to your other question, you know, I’ve actually, I’ve been focusing on teaching and spreading the word about, you know, literally, you know how to play back pipe fundamentals correctly. I’ve been focused on that a lot for the past five years, because for me, that’s one of the key ingredients to being able to achieve this goal of mine, which is, I want an American band to win. So we’ve been, you know, the whole business. That’s why the business exists at this point, is to spread the word about, you know, what’s the best way to approach this sort of niche instrument?
David Ralph [45:12]
What was the most unexpected World Champion come from? Yeah. Because in my head’s kind of Scotland, and I can see why America because of the sort of the immigrants at all, left the British Isles and stuff so I can I can see that. But on air like Australia, and bagpipers and Filipino bagpipers that have won the world championship, or is it pretty much? The Scottish and you guys,
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [45:35]
there’s only a few countries that have produced World Championship pipe bands, Scotland, obviously, Northern Ireland, sort of, just recently, there was a band from Dublin that won the world’s and then there was one Australian band, and two Canadian bands. And that’s been pretty much it, right? It’s sort of a it’s sort of like a Commonwealth Commonwealth countries or something, you could say, are the bands that that have won so far?
David Ralph [46:03]
And how do you win? Because my, my image of bike piping is the lone Piper that the bloke standing there on the hill doing he’s BIT bit involved, but it’s a band. So when you put that many Piper standing next to each other, how, how are you judged? is a performance? Is it the music? What is it?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [46:23]
Yeah, it’s actually a bagpipers hate when you say this, but it’s true. It’s it’s actually very similar to figure skating. So there’s two programmes, there’s a traditional programme, and then a sort of pick your own music type programme, where you get to do all sorts of modern fancy stuff. And then it’s adjudicated, there’s a panel of judges that adjudicate it based on, you know, how well the bagpipers play? how well the drummers and the band play, and then how well the sections of the band integrate with each other. And that’s how it’s judged.
David Ralph [46:58]
But how do you hear the song, the nuances of a good band against? Not a very good band? Is it? Did you have to have a really finely tuned dear, would I be able to stand there and go, Oh, band not as good as van? Or would it all sound the same to me,
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [47:12]
in likelihood, you’d be able to tell the difference between grade one that’s the top grade, you’d be able to tell the difference between grade one bands and grade two bands and grade three bands, you could probably discern, oh, man, there’s just something really special about that. And but then as far as how to separate those and pick a winner, that that does require a seasoned ear and you sort of have to it’s like anything, you know, you have to you have to know what criteria to listen for. And you have to be experienced in listening to those criteria.
David Ralph [47:41]
So so on your sort of timeline and Join Up Dots timeline, was it was it fundamentally your dad that really set you on the path? Or was there another dot, where really, the passion took on because we see it time and time again, my son’s having guitar lessons. And he’s very talented, but he hasn’t got the passion to sort of 3d do it. He dropped a play Xbox and play the guitar. But you’ve taken it to that next level. And was it just your dad’s inspiration? Or was there something down the line that really made you think, yes, this is my big. This is this is going to be my path?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [48:15]
Yeah, it’s interesting. I don’t I don’t have a concrete answer to that. I think my there have been moments. There are moments I can remember where the passion and interest level skyrocketed. One was hearing my dad play for the first time. Another was hearing the they were called the Rome Fraser’s Rome is a city in New York. Hearing the Rome Fraser’s play for the first time was another big moment. Hearing Jim McGill, very play in person hearing Jackie play, and then hearing some of these big pipe bands. I remember, the SF you pipe band actually came to Albany in 1996, which was eight years or so before I would be involved in the band about six years anyway. And hearing them play in person. You know, there are moments like that where I think the world gives you clues. Like, this is what you need to be doing. And I think I think the tricky part is making sure you have the guts at the right times to pursue those clues.
David Ralph [49:18]
Absolutely. Which is kind of what Steve Jobs said then the theme of the show. So I’m going to play the words now. Because I’m always fascinated whereby they have resonance to the guest. And this is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [49:30]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [50:05]
So how did you find that confidence? Because obviously, playing is a singular thing. But actually creating a business. You’ve got cash flow, you’ve got all the kind of things but an entrepreneur will struggle with. So how did you find that competence to actually bring it all together?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [50:21]
Yeah, it’s interesting, I think, you know, diving into things that you find interesting is a key thing. I’ll give you a couple of examples. I remember, I remember in like eighth grade, that we did two things, by the way, we totally at the time, and if he’s listening, I’m sorry for what I’m about to say. But we did not like this teacher. I won’t name him. We didn’t like him. We didn’t like him. But I had a friend named john Hauser who was better than me at at computer programming we did we did like an introduction to computer programming. Which by the way, this was at St. Andrews, which was the boarding school I went to, which wouldn’t have been possible had not those previous dots been sort of connected, you might say, but so yeah, we were in this class. And we did two things, Excel spreadsheets, I remember. And then we did some basic programming. And john, how’s it was way better than me. But by the end of the class, I had programmed Tic Tac Toe game or something like that. And it was I was like, Wow, that’s really cool. And I did some more programming stuff in college. And like, sort of like Steve Jobs, right? With the calligraphy class. Right? He was like, calligraphy is kind of interesting. I don’t really know why I’m doing this. But here I am. And, and so you can sort of, you can sort of attribute all of the beautiful thoughts that we see in the world now, maybe to that random class that Steve Jobs had to take. But it’s the sort of thing and I remember in music school, we studied see sound, which is basically computer programming, you know, or having a computer synthesises sounds for you. We studied that for a semester. And I was like, Well, okay, whatever. And so I learned how to do that. And we, we also use a programme called max MSP, and little did I know, but I was learning the fundamentals of computer programming. Just because it just happened to be along my path, something that I had to learn, and I was kind of interested at the time, but I didn’t think too much of it. And then later in life, after I get sick of teaching, you know, travelling around the world, and teaching bands and giving up all of my nights to teach bagpipe students, I start to ask myself, if I wanted to reach 10,000 Pipers a month, instead of maybe 100? How would I do that? Well, you know, I went over to old Google and I thought to myself, alright, so how do I do this? And sure enough, with enough research, we figured out how to write computer programmes that could successfully market and deliver awesome bagpipe content to huge, you know, an unlimited number of people. And that’s where our company is, right now. We’re, we’re figuring out how to teach really, really large numbers of people in an automated way, you might say, how to play bagpipes. And and that’s been remarkable, and would never have been possible, had john Hauser not, you know, had I not really wanted to be better than john hazard. Which by the way, I still there’s no way I would be as as analytically good as john was at that stuff,
David Ralph [53:27]
you know, but but not it’s totally scalable. Isn’t it the business that you’re building there, that is something but once he’s up and running, your actual impact will be minimal, but the influence across the world huge?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [53:39]
Yeah, potentially, I hope. So. Like I’ve got, I’ve got unique ideas about how bag piping can be more rewarding and can bring more enjoyment to your life. And so I have documented these ideas. And now our computers, disseminate that in a infinitely scalable way into the world, and how we market that will depend on just how many people do that. But, but that’s exciting. That’s the good stuff. Right there. I think I think
David Ralph [54:08]
that’s, that’s really exciting. I think that the fact that you can make a hybrid of something that is generations and hundreds of years old, I don’t know even know how old bagpipes are, but with something that is cutting edge, he is amazing. He can do those kind of things.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [54:25]
Yeah. And like I said, it’s, it has it has a chat, you know, there are things that are really fun, and things that are really hard. And some people love me for doing this. And some people definitively do not, like the fact that my ideas are, you know, gaining so much traction, you know, for various reasons, and you know, it all it is what it is, but it’s but it’s cool. My life has a real purpose purpose to it. And like I say, I can’t wait to wake up in the morning and, and figure out like, how are we? How are we going to make this bigger today? When I buy
David Ralph [54:58]
a little or a lot, I wish you success on there, because you certainly have found your passion in life. And once you get that passion, you’re more than three quarters of the way there everything else is is a detour, isn’t it? Everything else is something that you can work out on?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [55:13]
Pipers Dojo Yeah, absolutely. And then who knows, like detours that you take who knows what sort of cool things they may yield that I didn’t even know about before?
David Ralph [55:22]
He might end up on stage with Paul McCartney. How
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [55:24]
good would that be? That would be awesome. I’ve actually performed with Bryan Adams, how have you? Yeah, yeah, it was weird. One, one night, I get this email from this guy called Bryan Adams. And I’m like, oh, some guy named Brian ABS wants me to play for him. Cuz I was in disbelief. You know, like, it didn’t even occur to me. It could be the actual Bryan Adams. And I and I asked my wife like, I should know who Bryan Adams is. Right? And she was like, yeah, and and so it was cool. A lot of papers have now played for him. He had like a, you know, a tour where he I had a simple bagpipe riff, but but at the time, it was pretty fun. Pretty
David Ralph [56:06]
excited. You should go for Rod Stewart. You’d be doing it forever.
Pipers Dojo [56:09]
I know. Yeah. If he says I haven’t had if he’s listening,
David Ralph [56:13]
this is the man for you have all the links at the end? rod, you go for it? He’s the man who can make you sexy again?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [56:21]
David Ralph [56:22]
Well, this is the part of the show that we’re going to send you back in time, like a young Marty McFly to have a one on one with yourself. And if you could go back in time, and have a one on one with the young Andrew, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give where we’re going to find out, because I’m going to play the theme tune. And when it fades, you’re up. This is the Sermon on the mic.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [57:04]
Okay, so I’m talking to younger Andrew now, maybe just at the point where I start to develop, you know, a really good sense of who I am and who I want to be. And I think that returning to the idea of embracing those detours, and maybe paying even more attention, and having even more patience, when those detours pop up to identify and discover some of those magical bits that will pop up that you had no idea would really amount to much in the long run, but they should do so. So take everything at take everything with a really open mind. And, and see what sort of opportunities are out there. Because so far in my life, those little things have proven to be you know, such big things in the end. So, so I think that would be that would be my, my number one thing, David is to just embrace those, those detours and to and to make those things, you know, allow those things to become like full, full bodied ideas and opportunities for you.
David Ralph [58:11]
Absolutely. And I suppose start flossing earlier?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [58:15]
Well, that there is the whole flossing thing. It’s been a true enigma. And who knows, you know, who knows, I might have? Maybe I’ll be a dental model or something.
David Ralph [58:27]
Yeah, you could just lay there with your mouth open. Yeah, I think you are on the right track, if you haven’t sort of annoyed the whole dentistry profession.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [58:36]
It’s true. And you know, who knows who I might be there, you know, I could make tonnes and tonnes of money this way. And had I not started flossing every day. That may never have been possible. But we’re not going to know. I’ll give you a call in 10 years or so. And let you know how the dental detour has has panned out for you
David Ralph [58:56]
let me know and I will forward on all the angry emails I receive former dentists and hygienists. So that that that will that will pass between us. Andrew, how can the audience connect with you sir?
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [59:09]
That’s a great question. I am I have a Facebook account. And I have a Twitter account. And I actually want to use Twitter more. So anyone who wants to tweet me, my Twitter handle is at C natural 13 is my personal Twitter. That’s C, letter C. Natural one three is my Twitter handle there. And then on Facebook, if you go to facebook.com slash Andrew, a Douglas is my facebook account. And so I’d love to hear from anyone who for some bizarre reason, found my interview.
You know, interesting or inspiring. Love. It
David Ralph [59:48]
will have all the links on the show notes. Andrew, thank you so much for spending time with us today joining those dots. And thank you for allowing me to ask you bizarre questions about a subject I had no idea about. But please come back again, you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Andrew Douglas, thank you so much.
Pipers Dojo Andrew Douglas [1:00:09]
Thank you very much David and for everybody listening.
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