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Introducing Rob Harsh
Rob Harsh is my guest today, on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots business coaching podcast interview.
He is an Adventurer, Coach and Cancer Survivor similar to Sean Swarner
He has been leading and guiding people in business, outdoor adventure and personal growth for twenty years.
Rob has travelled extensively throughout the world on climbing, kayaking, mountain biking and multi-sport expeditions.
And has experience as a certified mountain guide, search and rescue operator and working with adaptive athletes and injured veterans in the outdoors.
Along the way, he has climbed mountains on five continents and participated in over fifty of the world’s toughest adventure racing and ultra running endurance events.
How The Dots Joined Up For Rob
He is a Professional Coach and expert in supporting people make positive shifts in their life.
Helping them overcome adversity in any area of life and discover how to live in alignment with who they authentically are.
In 2016 he was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer with a 4% chance of survival.
As you can imagine as he is here with us today that within a year he was cured and now gives back to others through inspiration and adventure.
So did he always have the adventure lifestyle set out for himself?
Or like so many of us did he end up sitting in an office yearning for the great outdoors?
And does he see more and more people looking for the escape from the norm, or are people still programmed to follow the life that others set for them?
Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Mr. Rob Harsh
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Rob Harsh such as:
Rob shares how life hit him in the face when his girlfriend unfortunately passed away.
How he knew that he had to take the steps to change direction forever.
We discuss the moment when Rob needed to take the leap of faith and why he knew that he couldn’t hold back any longer.
Rob shares how his business has taken four years to build, even with the cancer hitting in the middle, he didn’t stop building and driving forward.
How To Connect With Rob Harsh
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Audio Transpiration Of Rob Harsh Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling join up dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK David Ralph
David Ralph [0:24]
Yes. Good morning. And welcome to another episode of join up dots Yes, it’s the motivational, conversational inspirational show, which is taking the world of podcasting and generally life by storm. And at the beginning of the show, you can hear the sound intro man say, people go after their dreams. I’m going to be interested today to see whether this was the guy’s dream, or was it some post on team? Was it something that just naturally occurred because he is an adventurer, he’s a coach, and he is a cancer survivor. He’s been leading and guiding people in business, outdoor and adventure and personal growth for 20 years. Now, he’s traveled extensively throughout the world and climbing kayaking, mountain biking and multi sport expeditions, and has experience as a certified mountain guides search and rescue operator and working with adaptive athletes and injured veterans in the outdoors. Now along the way, he’s climbed mountains on five continents and participated in over 50 of the world’s toughest adventure racing and ultra running endurance events. He’s a professional coach and expert in supporting people make positive shifts in their life, helping them overcome adversity in any area of life, and discover how to live in alignment with who vape authentically are. Now in 2016, he was diagnosed with stage four lung cancer with a 4% chance of survival. And as you can imagine, as he’s here with us today, that within a year, he was cured and now gives back to others through inspiration and adventure. So did he always have the adventure lifestyle set out for himself? Or like so many of us? Did he end up sitting in an office yearning for the great outdoors? Does you see more and more people looking for the escape from the norm? Or are people still programmed to follow the life that others set for them? Well, let’s find out as we join up dots with the one and only Mr. Rob Harsh. Good morning, Rob. How are you sir?
Rob Harsh [2:15]
I’m doing great David thanks. That was such an amazing intro.
David Ralph [2:19]
It was lovely that because I spent a lot of time writing intros and that one I just took from you. It was perfect. It set the scene. It was like view were the perfect guest for join up dots which you probably are because you aren’t somebody that you look at it from the outside and you think bit crap that you’ve had, but is the crap Enos, what’s led you to the good DJ have to go through the black dots to get to the good dots? How do you see it?
Rob Harsh [2:44]
Absolutely. I think, you know, life, life is about the struggle. You know, life is kind of this big jigsaw puzzle. And we go through each and every day of our lives. And we pick up these pieces of the puzzle. And a lot of times we we don’t know exactly where they fit, and we don’t know, the picture that we’re trying to create. But as we continue this journey, that picture becomes clear and clear and clear. And for me, certainly, you know, it wasn’t always the case. You know, I struggled a lot in my life with really finding my passion. But But looking back on it, I knew it was always there. And it was always in the back of my mind driving me forward.
David Ralph [3:36]
Why do you think we struggle so much, Rob, when you say it was always in the back of your mind? Because I like and what you were saying about the jigsaw puzzle at looking at a photo or something really close up where it’s just little dots, and you can’t make out what a picture is until you walk far enough behind? And yeah, I can see what it is. You’re almost too close to it. Why don’t you think that we can’t see these things?
Rob Harsh [3:58]
I think it’s the fear of the unknown know, it’s, it’s the great mystery. You know, we want to we want to control our lives, we want to have this this sense of roundedness in this sense of security. And, you know, we follow kind of the beaten track in life, we follow others, you know, we do what society tells us to do. But really a true sense of adventure, is stepping off the path and stepping into the unknown and embracing our fears. And it’s not easy. And and, and really, this ultimately, for me, is what I’ve found to be the journey to continue to embrace those fears. I mean, we all have fears, like, you know, I’ve done some, some crazy stuff over the years, you know, I’ve jumped out of planes, enough climb mountains, and I’ve, you know, swimming oceans and been in the jungles in South America, all these crazy things. People think that adventure, you know, but adventure really is embracing your fears, embracing your impossible, you know, my impossible, and somebody else’s impossible is completely different. And being able to have the courage, and the confidence to step forward into that unknown to step foot to step forward, off the path, and into this great mystery of this wonderful journey we call life.
David Ralph [5:43]
Now on your Skype, I love this. People always have a statement and yours is see life through new eyes. Well, when when did you get your new eyes? When did you start looking at things in a different way to perhaps you were previously?
Rob Harsh [5:58]
Yeah, that’s a great question David
about four years ago, and
I had a girlfriend who
was like me, you know, she was she was an adventurer, she was a runner. She had a great outlook on life, but she was struck by illness. And very quickly, we learned that she had pancreatic cancer. And the doctors gave her two months to live. And that’s about how long it took until she passed away. And it was it was a very life really, really hit me in the face. You know, I’ve been through all kinds of shit in my life. And, and and thought I knew what adversity was. And that was a wake up call. And, you know, I kind of ran this parallel life, you know, where I did have a professional career. I did sit in office, I did work for, you know, some of these big fortune 500 companies. And I thought I had a great career. And I thought I had a great balance in life. You know, I was able, you know, to get out and go on vacations and things like that. But after that experience, I realized I wasn’t really following my dreams. I wasn’t really following my passion in life. I was, I was helping other people live their dreams, you know, you know, and that moment, I just decided that I that that life was too short. And it’s too short not to go out and follow your dreams and passions in life. So after that, I decided to quit my job to sell everything I owned. And I moved to Peru, in South America.
David Ralph [8:03]
Why did you pick out of all the places on earth? Why did you pick for
Rob Harsh [8:07]
David Ralph [8:08]
He always is fat, isn’t it? We’re always led by the little head as men.
Rob Harsh [8:14]
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it wasn’t entirely girl, but at the end of the day, you know, and I look back now and I’m proud, I’m proud to say that I, I, I took that leap of faith and and it was the biggest leap of my life. And, you know, my passion was adventure, and I wanted to share adventure with others, because I think adventure is a vehicle for transformation. It’s a way for people to rediscover their, their curiosity, and their imagination. And, and to be completely totally, utterly present. And to let go of that. Yeah, you know, that, that that level of security and that level of control that we hold onto so tightly, in our everyday lives, and, and yeah, maybe some people might say that that decision was foolish. But since I made that choice, I, I’ve taken this incredible, wonderful ride in life, and it’s been full of amazing ups, and some really, really incredible downs. But, but each and every one of these experiences now, I talk about experience, you know, often we’re looking, you know, add our lives to this different lens, you know, we want to acquire knowledge, you know, and we’re trying to learn and, and teach ourselves and, and, you know, we Google all this stuff, so we can fill our brains with all this information. But what I’ve found is true knowledge, true wisdom comes from, from within, from, from the experiences that we have in life, and, and going out and stepping into the unknown, and learning how to overcome adversity on our own.
David Ralph [10:11]
Because I, I’m looking at you now, and I can’t picture you sitting in an office, you just look like a wild man of the woods, I can imagine you in a log cabin perfectly. Okay, I can imagine you coming out of the cave, but I can’t imagine you working in an office was that totally away from the ROB back was born to be?
Rob Harsh [10:33]
Absolutely, you know, I think I found the past a lot of us follow, you know, in life, you know, when we grow up, you know, you know, we’re taught by our friends and our family and in society, and, and, you know, ultimately our jobs and, and, and the people we work with, you know, we’re taught to live life in a certain way, you know, we’re taught to, you know, go to college and buy a home. And, you know, it was that, you know, for us here, it was the American dream, you know, and, and we were sold that dream. But for a lot of us, you know, we get to a point in our lives, where we realize, that’s not the dream, you know, the dream is is is to truly, truly, truly look inside and, and see what’s inside you and, and, and follow your heart, whatever that may be. And, you know, I was always passionate about the environment, you know, and I saw if I went to school, and learned about environmental protection, and, and science and ecology and things like that I could kind of mash my passion, with with kind of that, that, that dream, that American dream. And I did that pretty well for a while, but I hit a hit this thing, which I refer to as the dead end, I hit this place where no longer could I could I fill my house with material possessions. You know, no longer could they pay me enough money, not to follow my dreams. And, and, and so now I run this adventure, travel business, and I do all kinds of stuff, you know, I work on all kinds of projects, I work on charitable projects, and, and I coach people to find this passion for themselves. And, you know, I found that giving back to others, has been one of the most rewarding things that that I’ve ever done. And that took a shift in my mindset. You know, for so long, I was kind of living for myself, I was looking out for myself, you know, you know, how could I get more for myself, and, and, you know, when I started to really start giving back and working with others, and taking others out on adventures, and, you know, helping people with disabilities, you know, such as injured soldiers, you know, get into the outdoors and see that they were truly capable of doing these things. My life changed. And I decided, you know, write that in there that you know that that’s the life I wanted to pursue, oh, being adventurous,
David Ralph [13:46]
I’ve had quite a few adventures on the program been very fortunate with that. And one of the things is a truth, and there’s no getting away from it. It’s very easy to be an adventurer in concept. But it’s very difficult to earn a living from being an adventurer, there’s certain sponsorship, you’ve got to get, there’s marketing, there’s media, and a lot of people come back from these amazing adventures, and almost go broke, while they’re trying to find out how they can pivot, their experiences, their adventurous spirit into a business, which is rewarding for them and other people. Have you had the same thing? Rob?
Rob Harsh [14:23]
Yeah, I think so. I mean, it’s a struggle to learn how to do this. And and I think, when it comes down to it, true adventure is about transformation. You know, and, and, you know, this is the goal of this, of this journey of life, that we’re all pursuing is, is to grow, is to transform ourselves. So, you know, again, I get back to the idea that, you know, I used to do these adventures purely for myself for the selfish reasons, you know, when I was 25 years old, you know, turned one of my childhood dreams into reality, when I went and climbed in the Himalayan mountains of Nepal. And I stood on a Himalayan summit, over 20,000 feet, looking at some of the highest mountains on earth. And there was a sense of freedom that I felt in that moment, you know, a sense of ease his sense of power, fullness that I felt standing on that summit. And, and you know, that there was something about it, you know, and I spent many years, you know, searching and recreating that moment, over and over and over again. And I realized along the way, that that was a selfish pursuit. And when I started to really support others, and give back to others who are less fortunate than me, or people who were looking for that sense of freedom themselves, and helping them find that freedom, I experienced something that was far greater than standing on that summit. But you know,
David Ralph [16:17]
financially greater, this is the thing, because when people start a business, obviously, you do Scrabble around, you try to make a buck you’ve got to do but once you get to a certain point, and you can start giving back, then it does become more rewarding, both sort of spiritually, emotionally and financially. So did that occur with you, although you’re saying you started giving back giving back, but did you find that ultimately, it was coming back to you, both financially and emotionally as well?
Rob Harsh [16:46]
Yeah, I think that’s the equation, I think, it when you step on onto that path, you know, when when when you can really change your mindset and get away from this idea that is all about me, you know, in this journey is really about us. And this togetherness, and this connectedness, you know, you start to reap the rewards of that, and I won’t say I’m a I’m a rich man. You know, certainly, I’m not at the level I was in, in, in, financially in, in, in business, but I will say I am richer. For for the path that I’ve chosen, I have far more than I did. When I was making a six figure salary. I’ve learned to live with less. And and I’ve modified my lifestyle in such a way, where I’ve been able to find this balance between financial reward and the reward of giving back and being connected to others.
David Ralph [17:56]
Well, let’s play some words. Now. But and I want to delve back into the the issues back in 2016, because I must have knocked you off your feet is Rocky, you,
Rocky Balboa [18:06]
me and nobody is going to hit as hard as life. But ain’t about how hard you hit. It’s about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward, how much you can take a keep moving forward. That’s how winning is done.
David Ralph [18:21]
Now you’ve you’ve had a few hits in your time, you’ve had a few whacks in the face, and you’ve got up and kept going. When you found out that you had been hit with cancer, for lung for cancer. What was that? Was that the end? In your mind? Did you think oh my god, this is it? Or did you just go? Nope, it’s not going to get me How? What was your emotional response when you heard the news?
Rob Harsh [18:46]
Well, I’m a human being. So I experienced what everybody would feel in that moment. I was in shock. You know, the rug was pulled out from underneath. I thought that was it. You know, I thought my life was over, I thought my dreams and when everything was done, and I felt like I had so much more to do in this life. And, you know, I went through all those stages of fear and grief and overwhelm and, and there were perilous moments where were, you know, I was I was in, in the depths, and dread and fear of dying. But in that in those depths, I found something, I found the strength, I found this doorway, you know, and this doorway led me to this idea that that we are each more powerful than we can even understand. I mean that there’s something within the human spirit that is so powerful, and, and it’s hidden from us. You know, because you know, the world, the world makes us small and makes us think small. But inside, we are so much bigger and so much greater than we believe ourselves to be. And and so this moment was my moment.
David Ralph [20:16]
And so how did you kill yourself by Rob, we begin a year? That’s, that’s phenomenal. Isn’t it?
Rob Harsh [20:21]
As a miracle? Yeah, well, for me, it started with the mindset, it’s kind of like this chicken and an egg thing. You know, when adversity strikes people, you know, they, they want to push it away, you know, because it’s not comfortable. They want to push adversity away, because it doesn’t feel good. But what I did was different. I sat with the adversity, I allowed it, I found a way to surrender to the adversity. And through that surrender, the the answers came forward. And I realized that all the answers were within me. Now, certainly, I needed to learn about what I was dealing with. And you know, it helped that I had a chemistry background and a science background. And I worked in the biotech industry and, and worked around people who were who were trying to cure cancer. But ultimately, I pursued, what I knew within me was to follow more of a natural, holistic approach to healing. So I did a lot of natural supplementation, I worked a lot with my diet, I worked enormously with mindfulness and meditation, I changed my mind, you know, instead of seeing cancer, cancer as a death sentence, I chose to see it as a gift. And even though it potentially was going to kill me, I saw that cancer was an opportunity to heal myself, in whatever time I had left on this earth to truly let go and defined a true sense of freedom. And, because because we all come to it, you know, it’s just part of life. And, and, and, you know, we don’t want to acknowledge that fact. Because it is scary, it is uncomfortable, but but I was able to step in my mind, beyond that discomfort beyond that fear, and step into that place where there is possibility. And I, you know, I opened up my mind to the possibility that, that, that I could heal myself and, and, you know, while I had amazing doctors, you know, I had an colleges diet, a Chinese medicine doctor, you know, I had all kinds of support, and outreach flow into me. But ultimately, you know, the real work, the real journey was taken by me, you know, and I had to walk this path, and, and bring myself to a state of better health,
David Ralph [23:26]
and easy, it’s a simple state of affairs, but as long as you’re positive, these things will naturally occur, or are you a lucky man, and lucky man with a positive mindset?
Rob Harsh [23:38]
Well, positive mindset is, is is, is one thing, I mean, you can’t delude yourself, like you have to, you have to embrace and surrender to, you know, the truth of the experience, you know, you have to allow the adversity Yeah, you know, you have to get to this place where you think want to push it away, that you embrace that discomfort. But through that, you transform it, you turn that adversity into your advantage. And, you, you, you do look at it through a different lens, you know, it’s like changing out a pair of dark sunglasses for for a pair of rose colored glasses, and seeing it as an opportunity. So I saw my cancer as an opportunity to learn something in whatever time I had left. And, and, and and to transform myself. So optimism certainly plays a role. But but but you know, we really, truly have to embrace the adversity itself, is we had a guy on the show
David Ralph [24:57]
back on Nick, on the hundred episodes ago now called Sean Warner, who I don’t know if you know, Sean, but Sean was put in a coma for a whole year, he’s the only person to get two forms of cancer and survive, lost half his lung, and he’s doing sort of amazing stuff. And I could never get to the bottom of what actually allowed him to survive, and others not. Because Steve Jobs for example, he had cancer. And he went the holistic route. And it took him over. And that was it. And what makes him different to you? What’s difference? Is it just what life throws at you? No matter how positive you are, no matter how much the treatment occurs? Is it still a lottery?
Rob Harsh [25:44]
Yeah, absolutely. No, Sean, in fact, I’m working with Sean. And he’s a he’s an incredible guy. I don’t know if you can compare, you know, the two, I think, ultimately, there is this mindset, you know, and, you know, we could see say, Steve Jobs did these great things in his life. And, and, and he took this whole holistic route, and it didn’t work for him. But But did he really have this mindset? That that he could conquer the world? Or? Or was it at the end of the day? Was he just an asshole of a businessman? And really more concerned about himself? And did he really make this leap? Now, or this transformation in his life, you know, to me, you know, these illnesses are complicated. It is a connection between the mind body and spirit, you know, somebody, somebody who just looks at cancer as a physical disease, you know, their chances of surviving it, you know, more than five years are much slimmer, than if somebody looked at it from an approach totally of Mind, Body spirit. So it and you know, it could be it comes down to this idea of karma, you know, and you know, that that’s a great mystery that, you know, people, you know, for, for centuries have been have been trying to figure out, but I don’t know, truly, what separates one person from another I know, for myself, in my heart, what, what were what were the keys for me? And for me, was this surrender? It was this embracing of the adversity and, and seeing it as, as just part of this adventure in life. You know, we don’t know what go what’s beyond that doorway of death, you know, does the adventure continue? There’s so many different competing theories in each, each one of us has to come to the answer for ourselves. And in for me, in my journey of cancer, I found the answers that I needed to, to to overcome the illness, and apply everything that I had learned throughout throughout my entire life, you know, that all these adventures that I’ve been on, you know, doing ultra marathons, and climbing mountains, and doing all this stuff, helped me help prepare me, I believe those things were were part of this jigsaw puzzle, these, these pieces, these were pieces of the puzzle that became clear to me, When, when, when I really needed the most. And they gave me a mindset that, that allowed me to embrace and surrender myself to the adversity and look at it with a with an optimism that that allowed me to heal.
David Ralph [29:00]
You’re almost saying that without you, knowing all the life experiences, were preparing you for that. So you believe that there’s almost something bigger than us, supporting you on your life?
Rob Harsh [29:14]
Absolutely, there’s something bigger, you know, the,
there’s, there’s something, you know, beyond each, each of us as individuals, you know, but we’re all connected by it, you know, and, and, you know, somehow when, you know, for me, touching that, that that mortality, you know, and going through that doorway, allowed me to see that, that that greater thing. You know,
there were there was a book about, you know, how how, how folks survived the, the Nazi concentration camps. And there was a book written by a guy named Viktor Frankl. And it was all about the meaning of life. And he found that the folks who found this greater meaning in life were the ones who actually survived these concentration camps, which, which were, you know, horrendous, horrendous experience. And it was similar for me in battling cancer is, is I found a greater meaning. For me to step forward and survive, there was a question that came up, in my mind, when I was really, really down in the depths, which was, you know, why do I want to live? You know, and I had to ask myself, you know, I want to live and, you know, dance, are that question exists within all of us, and in the answers our out in the world, you know, those answers exist within you, and only within you. And you have to have the courage to ask those questions, and explore the answers for yourself. And for me, cancer was an opportunity to find those answers for myself. So now, you know, as I’m stepping beyond it, I’m actually putting that into practice. And living my life, an entirely different way than I did just two years ago.
David Ralph [31:42]
So just before we move on from this part of the conversation, as opposed to question that you posed yourself, but I’d love to know an answer is why did you want to live? What was the answer that you gave yourself?
Rob Harsh [31:55]
The answer that I gave myself is that that I wanted to contribute to others, I wanted to be of service the others, and I wanted to help make the world a better place. Now, I didn’t want to change the world. But But you know, one person at a time, I think we can each make a difference and make the world better. You know, if we’re waiting for government to save us, we’re going to be waiting a long time, if we’re waiting for somebody else to save us, we’re going to be waiting a long time, the only person that can save us is ourselves. And, you know, I, I think you know, giving back is about is about inspiring others, it’s about being a beacon of light. For others, it’s holding space for others to step forward. And, and have that courage for themselves to step forward and follow their passion and follow their dreams in life and, and in and, and, you know, take that leap.
David Ralph [33:03]
So what do you see as adventure? Now, Rob, with all the things that you’ve done? How do you keep on pushing yourself to find that adventure, because it’s a truth, you know, you go up the Himalayas, ones is marvelous, you go up at 15 times, it leaves you a bit flat. So what are you looking forward to a challenge, you know,
Rob Harsh [33:20]
for me, it’s just about embracing the unknown. You know, every day you wake up, you have an opportunity to step into the unknown, you have the opportunity to place your foot where no other person is placed their foot before, it’s not about somebody mountains or going to the polls or, or, or doing these things, it’s about stepping into the things that you’re fearful of, and only you can step there. And and for me, you know, the unknown is freedom. You know, America talks a lot about freedom. You know, I don’t think America has the first idea. Freedom is, you know, freedom is embracing the unknown. And for me, there’s an opportunity to do that in any moment. And, and, and, you know, it is about learning how to love life.
David Ralph [34:20]
Now, how would you then transition you you’ve had these knocks, you’ve had these awakenings, you’ve realized that your life wants to go in a certain way. A lot of people have that, but actually transitioning to their first client and actually creating a business, how do you go about it? How did you do it with yourself,
Rob Harsh [34:41]
it’s a journey. I mean, it’s, it’s just putting one foot in front of the other every day. And, and, you know, there’s a lot of failures. But really, there’s no such thing as failure, you know, and, and, you know, being afraid to fail is just an excuse, you know, if failure is one of the greatest teachers we can have in life, you know, so again, it’s about embracing the journey, and embracing these failures, you know, I, I fail all the time, you may be only hear about my successes, you know, because they’re inspiring, we want to hear about people’s successes. But you know, failure is the place where we really learn the most, it’s the place where we gain experience, it’s the place where true wisdom is born. So
David Ralph [35:35]
it’s all kind of bit hokey. For me this rope, it’s like you’re sitting on a rock with your legs crossed, and the answers are just coming to you. There must be networking, there must be monetary investment into it to actually create a business or did it just sort of naturally float your way? Am I being a bit cynical? One is,
Rob Harsh [35:57]
No, you’re right, you’re right. And I don’t mean to be helped in that way. And I don’t, I don’t mean to speak from that place. I mean, it’s hard work, you know, it’s about rolling up your sleeves, there is blood, sweat, and tears. But ultimately, what I found is it’s about connection. And it’s about collaborations, and, and going out and trying stuff. And it is hard work. And it does take investment. And and I’m certainly not going to lie about that. But you know, all these guys who are running around saying they have the magic formula, you know, you know, just sign up for my course on click funnel, you know, that bullshit, you know, this is about being authentically you, you know, so if you can, if you can find that place within you, and if you have the courage to, to leap into that place and discover who you really authentically are, you know, that that, you know, from there, you know, all kinds of things are born, you know, a level of charisma, and, you know, you just attract things, when you step into that place in your life there, you create a mindset, instead of having a mindset of lack, you create a mindset of abundance. So, you know, I will say, you know, being an entrepreneur, being somebody who’s gone through kind of a, you know, I’ll say, I’ve gone on a spiritual journey, I mean, cancer opened up doorway for me. That was, that was pretty deep. And, and, you know, but it’s all about transformation. It’s all about growth, it’s all about learning. And, and, and, and listening to your own knowing your own intuition. You know, what I found over time is that nobody really had the answers that I was looking for, I mean, I looked, I looked everywhere for the answers. And coming back to the fact that I knew the answers within me, it was just a matter of, of, of taking the journey, you know, this business that I’ve built, you know, it’s taken me four years, and it continues to grow every day. And, and in the middle of it, you know, I had one of the worst challenges of my life, I won’t say the worst, I’ll say, the hardest challenges of my life dealing with illness. But, you know, in the middle of it, you know, the doctor told me, Hey, your cancer is getting worse, and and you really need to consider doing chemotherapy. And, you know, I went, you know, I thought about it. And
I decided that,
as an alternative, I was going to lead a group to Machu Picchu in Peru. And I told the doctor, you know, I was just going to go and live my life, and pursue what I loved and pursue helping others and taking others out on these these transformational adventures. He thought I was insane. And, and, you know, maybe I wasn’t saying, but I went on that trip four months later, still ill with with stage four lung cancer, and I came back from that trip. And shortly after that scans showed that my tumor almost completely disappeared. I can’t explain that. But that was what I did. And and I’m not saying that’s what people should do. But but that’s those are the answers that I found for myself. And and that that’s the truth of the journey that I’ve taken,
David Ralph [39:57]
and I’ll you invest by now.
Rob Harsh [40:00]
Yeah, I’m, I’m in 100% remission. I’m back running again, I’m running 35 miles a week. here in Colorado, up in the mountains, I’m planning to take a group of 35 people to climb Kilimanjaro next year. And in the process, we’re going to raise $50,000, to build build a school in Tanzania. So
believing in my dreams and following my heart, saved my life.
David Ralph [40:34]
And blow me five miles a day, I don’t know how you do it, I can barely run upstairs. Anyway, I’m going to play the words now of a man we’ve already spoken about him in the show. But he created the whole format of this show. Here is Steve Jobs
Steve Jobs [40:49]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards, 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future, you have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever, because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [41:23]
Now with the life that you have led, do you buy into those words? Or do you dismiss them?
Rob Harsh [41:31]
Boy, you know, those are words that I could have said myself after this journey. Certainly, the key for me was looking back, the key was reflecting back on the experiences that I had, I was sitting there with stage four lung cancer, you know, given given two months to live, and I looked back on my life, and, and looked at all the things that I had done in my life. And I asked myself, how did I do those things? You know, it wasn’t just that, you know, I was physically fit, you know, wasn’t like I was, I was some great, amazing athlete. My strength was, was I had a certain mindset. And I decided to apply the mindset that I had learned throughout my life about you know, and it’s not like a will or in an ambition. It’s not about pushing or overcoming, you know, it is about surrender. surrendering to this experience of life, whatever it throws at you, you know, it’s when we kind of clamp down on it, you know, and we try to control it, we try to push it, and, and, and, and make our lives conform to a certain way of being that’s when we have struggle. But when we truly embrace it, and allow that struggle to live and breathe. It we find freedom, you know, and that that’s that’s the unknown. And and when when you can step into that unknown. Find that courage. You, you do find this great confidence. And you do find that person within you, too, is greater and more powerful. And then you believe yourself
David Ralph [43:41]
be. And so is your big moment, that moment in your life that really changed everything, was it? I can’t quite get it in my head. Maybe it’s Nairobi’s whether it was your personal cancer, or your ex girlfriends, your girlfriend’s tragic demise? What was it that was really changed you to where you are? Now?
Rob Harsh [44:06]
That’s a great question. You know,
the people that we meet in our lives are, are just helping us point us in the right direction. You know, oftentimes people can see things in us that we can’t, you know, because we have blind spots. But other peoples can see us perfectly for who we are, you know, and sometimes we’re trying to live up to this image. And a lot of times this image is false, you know, so, so it’s kind of peeling back these layers. And, and, and, and, and getting beyond this, this image of ourselves. And certainly, Marcy helped me do that she, you know, she, she helped me be more honest, with myself, and, and really, everybody in my life, everybody who’s come and support me, has, has, has, has helped me become more honest with who I am. And it takes courage, I think, to be really honest with who we are. Because, you know, we’ve built up this image over over many years. So I think my own personal struggle, and challenge with illness. broke through the Bs, that image that I was that I built up, you know, certainly, I built up this image of being some, some great athlete or adventurer, but but but really, I’ve embraced more of this idea that that we’re all the same. We’re all just trying to get through this journey of life. And, and and the best way through is really to support one another in that journey. And for me, the way I support others is, I support others through this vehicle of adventure. I think getting out and traveling the world and exploring the world. And in dreaming of doing these big things is a way to grow in a way to transform and I want to help give people courage to step into those places in their lives to help them place their feet into that unknown place where nobody has ever stepped before. You know, so so for me that that’s who I truly believe I authentic Liam and, and and I try to, to, to give that to others and be that for others so that others can, you know, have have have a little bit of an example of, of what it looks like. And I don’t know all the answers. I don’t think anybody does. But But together we can all
you know, walk this amazing journey together.
David Ralph [47:18]
So in a single word, right? I you as close as possible to who you were supposed to be?
Rob Harsh [47:28]
But I’m getting, I wasn’t quite
David Ralph [47:32]
as simple as single word. But that was good enough for me. So you know, on the way there? Well, this is the part of the show that we call the Sermon on the mic, when we’re going to send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young Rob, what age would you like to speak to him? What advice would you like to give him? Well, we’re going to find out, because we’re going to play the theme tune. And when it fades Europe, this is a sermon on the mic. We go
Unknown Speaker [48:05]
with the best of the show.
Rob Harsh [48:20]
I think if I were to go back
and talk to a younger Rob, I would go back to a time when I was still very young, I was probably eight or nine years old. My parents had just gotten divorced. And I was really struggling.
At that time in my life, you know,
I think what I would tell myself is is is is to really trust in myself and have confidence in myself and know that that everything’s going to be just fine. You know, this journey is a big jigsaw puzzle. And there’s going to be many times in life when we don’t really understand you know, what certain things why certain things are happening and and put the all of these pieces will eventually fit together. And the picture will become clear. And and you know this journey isn’t about a destination is isn’t about acquiring, you know, some great wealth or or some great security. It is about this journey. And it is about the people in our lives, and the connections that we have. And sharing this this incredible journey with one another. So I think my advice would be to just put one step in front of the other and embrace life as it unfolds.
David Ralph [50:10]
Right advice, but everyone, not just the young Rob. So Well, what’s the number one best way that our audience who have been listening today can connect with you?
Rob Harsh [50:21]
Oh, yeah, so you can visit me on my website at www dot awaken adventures. com you can connect with me on social media. And you can check out all the trips that I have online or learn more about how to work with me. As a coach,
David Ralph [50:42]
we will have all the links on the show notes to make it as easy as possible. Rob, thank you so much for spending time with us today, joining up those dots. And please come back again when you’ve got more dots to join up. Because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our future. Well, posh, thank you so much.
Rob Harsh [51:02]
Thanks, Dave. It’s been a pleasure.
David Ralph [51:05]
So do you think that you could beat cancer within a year? Do you think that you could create a path like Rob has the cells he’s stuffy quits his job, he flies to Peru to chase a young lady through the jungle? That doesn’t sound too bad to be honest. What about all the rest of it? Do you think you’ve got the mental strength to be able to do that? Certainly not sure that I have. But um, maybe we have. And that’s maybe what life is throwing at us, giving us that opportunity to have those wax to have those trials and tribulations to really find the real us. Until next time thank you so much for being here join up dots I’m loving this more and more. We’re coming up into the thousand shows, which is rare in podcasting, it doesn’t happen very often. So you have made it possible for being here listening to the show. If you do have any questions you want answered for us on our Friday shows, just drop us a line into the Facebook group. Just connect and tell us where you are, where you’re listening, how you listen, all that kind of stuff. We love to hear from listeners and appreciate your time. Yeah, hello. This is David Ralph the host of join up dots and I’m going to be showing you behind the scenes of join up dots Now why am I going to do that? Well, if you’ve got a business or if you haven’t got a business, but you want to start one, there is no better way than connecting with people in such an intimate way for having a podcast. And if you want to jump over to podcasters mastery.com. We are running three training sessions to show you the three easy steps where you can convert any business into a multiple six figure business and beyond exactly the same way as we have done. I’m going to be hosting it I’m going to be there showing you everything about join up dots how we’ve taken it from where we have to where we are now. And basically you can do exactly the same you can just follow those steps and be global dominating or at least make a very nice income. So jump over to the podcasters mastery.com and hopefully we will see you soon. Look forward to it. Cheers. Bye.