Rob Moore Joins Us On The Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast
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Introducing Rob Moore
Rob Moore is today’s guest joining us on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots business coaching podcast.
He is a man with a fascinating story of struggle and success.
Nowadays he can look around his blossoming empire and think to himself “Man, i’ve done alright from myself”
But that wasn’t always the case.
He wasn’t always a self-made a millionaire and best selling author.
In 2005, he was struggling to make ends meet as an artist.
Born in Peterborough, he had a keen interest and studied architecture at Huddersfield University.
Alongside it seems a clear evidence of wanting to do things his own way and make a name for himself by being a little bit different.
This was evidence in 2003, when he painted graffiti on his house about killing cats.
The Council didn’t see this as a clear indication of a local Banksy in their midst and he was asked to remove it.
Instead he started taking a keen interest in property renovation , and after working in the family pub for a number of years, Rob worked in a property investment company before setting up Progressive Property in 2007.
And how things have changed since those humble starts.
Saught after to advise and educate, he is a man who make syou sit up and take notice.
Just the fact that one of the major Google searches about Rob is “Rob Moore Net Worth” makes you realise that this is a man who many want to emulate.
How The Dots Joined Up For Rob
Now all of these milestones always look in hindsight that they were obvious movements with limited struggle.
But this wasn’t the case with today’s guests
As the struggling artists, drowning under debts of £50,000 and selling his work for less than it was worth he could have gone under
As he says “Ever since I was 17 my life seemed to go steadily downhill
In 1996 I had 2 serious injuries within the space of 6 months.
I crashed my motorbike [and not by half]. It was my pride and joy at the time because I no longer looked the pillock that I did on the moped I had previously.
It took me one year of begging to let my parents get me one. I spent 6 months in rehabilitation from multiple breaks
That ruined any prospect of me becoming a professional Golfer of Cricketer, which I had genuine aspirations for.
I held much resentment and never really recovered from that
6 months later my appendix burst [a close run in with the big man upstairs!] whilst in a nightclub [where I spent most of my youth]
I spent the next 7 years always living in the shadow of myself and what I could have become, but felt had been taken away from me
After pulling off an average degree and having pancreas failure I came back to Peterborough to help my family in their pub as my Dad was very ill.
What was essentially a 3 month plan ended up being nearly 3 years
All the while I knew that this was not what I ultimately wanted to do, but it is hard to break away when you think you are letting your family down.
I finally broke away in 2003 and set out to make a living in my real true passion:
And now with his latest book “I’m worth more” flying off the shelves does he see all these dots as necessary to where he is now?
And with all great successes are there still many great doubts bubbling under the surface ready to throw him into meltdown?
Well let’s find out by bringing him on the show to start joining up those dots, with the one and only Rob Moore
During the show we discussed such weighty subjects with Rob Moore such as:
Why it is so important to strive to get more in your life, although never forget to enjoy that moment of success when you get there.
Why Rob feels he is the luckiest person in the world, due to the fact that he gets to do what he loves to do everyday.
The reasons why the world is often making things are lot harder by comparing ourselves with others, without knowing the story behind their success.
Why acceptance in life is such a blessing, but there is no reason why we should be accepting a life of pain an displeasure.
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Audio Transcription Of The Rob Moore Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK. David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:25]
Yes, hello there. Good morning. Well, good morning and welcome to Join Up Dots. Thank you so much for being here. It’s absolute delight for every single one of you. And your pair of ears bring both ears each time it’s good for downloads. Well, today’s guest joining us on the show is a man with a fascinating storey of struggle and success. Nowadays, he can look around he’s blossoming Empire and think to himself man, I’ve done a lot for myself. I’m sure I am. But that wasn’t always the case. He wasn’t always a self made millionaire and best selling artists. Now in 2005. He was struggling to make ends meet as an offer boning Peterborough, he had a keen interest in studied architecture at Huddersfield University, alongside it seems clear evidence of wanting to do things his own way and make a name for himself by being a little bit different. This was evidence when he painted graffiti on his house about killing cats. Now the council didn’t see this as a clear indication of a local Banksy Nimitz. And he was asked to remove it and he refused. Instead, he started taking a keen interest in property renovation. And after working in the family pub for a number of years, he worked in property investment company before setting up progressive property in 2007. Now all of these milestones always look in hindsight, but they were obvious movements with limited struggle. But this wasn’t always the case with today’s guest. As the struggling artists drowning under debts of 50,000 and selling his work for less than it was worth he could have gone under. As he says, ever since I was 17 my life seemed to go steadily downhill in 1990 six, I had two serious injuries within the space of six months I crashed my motorbike and not by half. It was my pride and joy at the time because I no longer look the pillock but I did on the moped I had previously, it took me one year of begging to let my parents get me one and I spent six months in rehabilitation from multiple breaks that ruined any prospect of me becoming a professional golfer or cricketer, which I had genuine aspirations for. I held much resentment and never really recovered from that now six months later, my appendix burst a close running with the big man upstairs whilst in a nightclub where I spent most of my youth and I spent the next seven years always living in the shadow of myself, and what I could have become, but felt had been taken away from me. After pulling off an average degree and having pancreas failure, I came back to Peterborough to help my family in their pub as my dad was very ill what was essentially a three month plan ended up being nearly three years and all the while I knew that this was not what I ultimately wanted to. But it’s a hard to break away when you think you’re letting your family down. Now in finally broke away in 2003, and set out to make a living in my real true passion. And now with his latest book, I’m worth more flying off the shelves, does he see all these dots as necessary to where he is now? And we’ve all great successes, and there’s still many great doubts bubbling under the surface and ready to throw them into meltdown. Well, let’s find out as we bring on to the show to start joining up with the one and only Mr. Rob Moore. Good morning, Ralph. How are you sir?
Rob Moore [3:35]
Thank you very much.
David Ralph [3:36]
It’s an absolute delight to have you here. Because you’re an Englishman. You are a success. And the official blurb I’ve got is the British Tim Ferriss. Does that inspire you? Or does that annoy you?
Rob Moore [3:49]
Yeah, that annoys me, because I don’t want to be anyone else other than myself. But if other people say that, that’s how they perceive me begun, I suppose I should be grateful.
David Ralph [4:02]
No you shouldn’t be grateful, because that’s why I asked that question. Because I’ll be honest with you up over the last couple of weeks, and maybe you don’t want to know this. But I’ve been taking you to bed every night. I’ve been reading your book, I’m worth more. It’s not a Tim Ferriss thing. It’s not a comparison. You are your own man, and you’re doing extremely well for yourself.
Rob Moore [4:25]
That’s very kind of you. Not many men take me to bed at night, every day, David. But yeah, I think that we’re all worth more than probably we’re giving ourselves credit for. And actually a chapter in my book is about not comparing yourself to others, but trying to be the best version of you. Now, I listened to Tim Ferriss podcast, and I think it’s great. And I think he’s done great things. But if I’m to, you know, eat my own dog food is the American say about my work is not to compare myself to anyone else. And just use that as inspiration to try and really discover the truth version of me. And that’s what my books about.
David Ralph [5:02]
Yeah, absolutely. And I’ll be honest with you, I’m reading it. I’m up to page 61. And I get so many books given to me, but I don’t generally read them. I started flicking through yours. Started with a storey about Arnie Swartz nega and I thought, This is interesting. What was it about Arnie, that so inspired you as a young man?
Rob Moore [5:23]
I think because he’s so successful in multiple disciplines. I mean, I really do admire people who are successful, talented, overcome challenge, you know, greatness. And I think when I was before the age of 25, when our life was going, not the right way, I used to be jealous and envious of those people. And then when I turned my life around, I actually learned to admire and respect those people. And to do it in one area of your life to be one of the best is not easy, let’s be honest. But to be the one of the best bodybuilders the world has ever seen, may be one of the most successful actors the world has ever seen. And then, of course, being an immigrant, successful politician in three different completely different areas. I have a lot of respect for that
David Ralph [6:12]
area as well, isn’t it? There’s the motivation. There’s the speech, which I suppose kind of themes through all the fat? That’s a good point.
Rob Moore [6:21]
Yeah. I mean, he just, he inspires millions, there’s videos that have got millions of views of the Army’s rules, and you obviously has a very successful mindset. And also, he’s big now in helping the planet. And you know, and overcoming the difficulties in climate, change it things like that, and he’s using his influence for good.
David Ralph [6:40]
Now, in the book, he was mentioning that when you met him for the first time, you for always your little, your little, and you’ve probably got dyed hair as well, was that I was reading that and I was thinking to myself, it’s that ugly thing for everybody to do to meet their absolute hero and realise that actually, don’t assume that there’s no difference other than they’ve made the most of a special talent.
Rob Moore [7:07]
Yeah, I think a lot of people say that and like, never meet your heroes, because you’ll probably be let down and you won’t realise them so much. But that actually, for me was a really great thing to happen. Because when you penalise people so much, that can make you feel inferior. And I said it in the book flippantly David, um, you know, it was kind of like a joke. I feel I’m sure snake will be like six foot 10 because how I’ve seen him in the films, I mean, I, my mom used to let me go down the video shop blockbuster when I was a kid. And I told her to get me a teens when I was like, 12, I was racing pub. So as usual, the swear words, and then it back then it was fourth f words in it. And that was it. And so I’d get with the army films. And so I grew up thinking this guy is a man mountain. So to meet him and him be like, what, five foot 10? Probably, I’m six foot three. That was a surprise. And then like I said, he had like a very great tinge to his hair. And I’m sure that’s not as natural Cole said, The point is, he’s a human being he’s not as big he dies his head. I put him in this on this massive, massive pedestal. And actually, I like the fact that he was a nice ordinary, obviously extraordinary, but also just a normal person as well. I like that. Now for
David Ralph [8:17]
people that sort of look up to you, Rob. Are you very aware of fat? Do you sort of get a quick flannel Owl and wipe them down? As soon as they meet you? On Sunday? breasts? Yeah, I think
Rob Moore [8:30]
what’s up science of breasts David are now I’ve kind of made it. I’m a proper rock star.
David Ralph [8:35]
Yeah, you’re going to do that? Would you do both? Would you go right across both of them?
Rob Moore [8:38]
Oh, yeah. So my full name with my middle name.
But so I think, look, I am fortunate enough that, you know, I have a good following. And people like my work. But I’m not the sort of person that gets too ahead of myself, I stay pretty grounded. Because I want to to succeed more. And there’s many people that have more success than me, and I’m driven by that. So yeah, I just, I’m grateful for anyone that appreciates what I do.
David Ralph [9:11]
How do you know when you’ve had enough success? Because your book is called I’m worth more. But you could want a number one, do you need more? Because that constant search for bigger investment and properties and stuff? Ultimately, there must get to a point where you go, I actually, I’m kind of losing track of myself and what I originally wanted.
Rob Moore [9:34]
Yeah, you know, I could talk about this for a long time, David, and you know, certainly a, you know, a nice meal and a few beers, we could really get into this, I think that I don’t see it as a problem. always striving for more, as long as what you’re not doing is always pushing the destination away. By when you get there, you’re not enjoying it. Because human beings, you could grow, you’re right, you’re wrong to evolve, we have to grow. And evolution is about becoming self actualization becoming the best version of who you are. So what is wrong with having a goal achieving it, setting a new one, moving towards it, achieving it, setting a new one? A lot of people see that as an empty pursuit. Like there’s a destination, but there is no final destination. You know, I remember when I became a millionaire, I thought, Well, that was it, you know, and I was only 30 3031 at the time. But when you meet billionaires, you realise that’s not a you’re a minnow compared. I’m a minnow compared to some of the billionaires I’ve met. But then you talk to those billionaires, and they know people with 50 billion. But that doesn’t mean that you should stop doing what you’re doing. So what I believe the right thing to do is, is a paradoxical balance of Yes, striving for bigger goals and targets so that you can grow so that life can have more meaning you could achieve more, you can learn more this discovery. But when you get there, taste it, enjoy it. bask in it, be grateful for it. And it’ll take a bit of time to do that before you then all of a sudden, the hit hit the next pursuit. Because I mean, if you watch these documentaries, all the people who climb up these crazy mountains, they’ve got to the top and they were thinking about the next one. No, enjoy being at the top of the mountain for a while. And then you go when you’re ready. And that is life. And I think if you live a life of the mountain, enjoy it for a while up the next one, enjoy it for a while. It’s not it is a great journey. Yeah, but have you
David Ralph [11:30]
learned that from experience? Because you know, I am a classic one. I listened to you talk. And I think to myself, I agree with what you’re just saying. But I don’t bring it into my own life. I literally set a goal, I achieve it. And I’m already moving on to the next one. Did you what you as a young child that was constantly looking for the next mountain?
Rob Moore [11:50]
Yeah, I think that is a bit of a blessing. And a curse of being an entrepreneur or somebody wants to achieve success in an area is that when you get to the level, you you’re already moved the goalposts you probably moved in before you got there. And that is also a blessing and a curse. If you didn’t keep moving those targets up, you wouldn’t achieve as much. But yeah, it’s a bit of a curse as well. And I’m trying to enjoy it more David, and I have my moments where is not good enough? I guess that’s the the perennial search for happiness. What is happiness? is happiness being present and happy and grateful for what you’ve got? Or is happiness, the meaningful progress towards a worthy goal? Because that’s the paradox, isn’t it? Because on the one hand, happiness is a look, I’ve got a good life, I’m still breathing. I’m living in the developed world, I’ve got my family, I’ve got my health, I should be grateful for what I’ve got, you know, because a lot of people avoid it worse. But you know, you feel the best in your life. When you achieve something meaningful, something hard, something challenging. You know, we’re chemically wired to have greater feelings of elation, when we overcome a hard challenge. And wrestling with that paradox and the 100 metre was gonna take a timeout and enjoy. And the other thing I need to make a big challenge and overcome that feel those made that amazing sense of fulfilment.
David Ralph [13:13]
But But one of the things that I think you’ve nailed, and until you got booked on the show, I was vaguely aware of you, I hadn’t listened to your podcast and read your books. I do apologise. But it now everywhere I look, it’s a smiley picture of you. You look like if you’re not smiling with your mouth, you’re smiling with your eyes. You look like your life, your business is filling you up with enjoyment.
Rob Moore [13:40]
I get to do what I love most of the time. on most days. I feel like one of the luckiest people in the world because I have what 86 staff in this office that I’m saying talking to you, we have another hundred out the office, and hundreds of properties of all the cars that are one I’ve got everything that I could ever dream about. I’ve got a very supportive family. What more could I want, I get to do what I love every day. And I struggled as an artist and struggled as a pub landlord and struggled as trying to learn architecture. And I felt lost when I was younger. I didn’t feel valued, and it felt like I was good at anything. So property gave me that Launchpad. And I’m glad you said that, David, because I have my challenges. I get overwhelmed from time to time I have bad days. Of course I do. But in in the main 95% of the time, I’m I feel like the luckiest guy on planet.
David Ralph [14:36]
Yeah, he does. As I say you’ve got twinkly eyes Rob. A very attractive indeed. Well, let’s play some words now. And let’s have another conversation with Rob. He’s Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey [14:48]
My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was like, go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [15:15]
Now, looking back, and there’s a reason why I’m going to ask this question. But your dad owned a pub, you went back and you helped out in the pub, my dad owned a car space shop. And once he got to a certain age, I thought I was doing the right thing by buying the car space shop, to allow him to have a retirement and enjoy himself. And it’s been a complete nightmare. Absolutely separating myself from this. Because this emotional attachment to his dream and not mine. Did your dad set out to run the pub? Because that was his dream? Are you aware of actually what your dad really wanted from life?
Rob Moore [15:59]
Quite the question for me, David. I think what my dad wanted was to make my mom and his family happy. I think that’s what he wanted. And he met my mom because he used to drink in the local pub, and my mom’s parents on the pub. And I’m pretty sure from what I’ve been told by my mom, my mom and dad fell in love. And my dad just wanted to make my mom happy. I don’t think he had dreams of being a pub landlord. And that’s what they fell into. He always made the best of what he was given. He always worked really hard to give his family a great life, put me through private school, you know, employed me and my sister for many years, even into our 20s. So no, I think that that was what my dad knew, not what he loved. But I think he made the best of it. And when smoking ban happened and when you could get, you know when the supermarket’s all started stocking the booze. And then you know, this was probably 20 plus years ago now. The pub tray got really hard for dad, and he didn’t know what else to do. And that was quite hard for me to see. And he had some mental health issues. He had a nervous breakdown. And I guess I always looked, I looked up to my dad, I still do. As someone who was able to make things happen out of nowhere to be very enterprising, entrepreneurial he would. If he got himself into a bad situation financially, you could dig yourself out of it. But now I never looked at my dad and when you’re doing what you love, but from a vocational point of view, it was just waiting you.
David Ralph [17:46]
And do you know what your dad loved? Have you ever sat down with him and gone? What would your passion? If we weren’t here and you didn’t have the pub? What would you ever be today?
Unknown Speaker [18:01]
I know that it’s all about family.
Rob Moore [18:06]
He doesn’t really do anything else. He loves watching cricket. He loves sport. And he was good at golf. So probably those would rank highly. But I think just making them happy and seeing me and my sister happy. I think that was what that was his thing is that he do whatever it took. He live wherever he lived. He didn’t need any riches around him. He just go and do whatever he needed to do to make that happen. Either pubs, bars, hotels, clubs. I mean, I think he liked that hustle, David, I think he liked, he could turn around the roughest pub into a really nice coffee restaurant. I think he liked turning really difficult businesses around. I think he’s got fulfilment in that I think once they were successful, he was kind of a bit bored, he needed a hard challenge.
David Ralph [18:56]
Because as I was reading your book, and I was sitting out in the garden on a really hot Saturday reading your book, I was reflecting on a chapter when you said it was your happiest book yet. And as I was reading it, I was thinking to myself, do we only ask these questions now? Did people ask these questions 20 years ago, value versus worth? How you value something where self comes from? Are we making it more difficult now? Because we do actually ask those questions. What do you think?
Rob Moore [19:31]
Yeah, I think it’s a paradox. Because sometimes ignorance is bliss, isn’t it? David, you know what your destination and journeys in life you don’t question it, you crack on, you don’t know what you don’t know. And that that ignorance can be bliss. Because when you open that can of worms and self awareness, and you know what life really can be like, when you don’t, when it doesn’t always go your way that that can be, you can go through a really emotional journey. I mean, the journey, personal development. And you know, understanding your mindset is like that sometimes when I don’t maybe succeed as much as I’d like, I beat myself up more, because I know I should know better or do better because of what I’ve learned. And I think it’s really all about the self. I think there’s access to more information than ever, but there’s also more overwhelmed than ever. I think we’re more connected than ever, but often more distracted than ever. And so how do we balance these paradoxes? And what’s our choice? For me, I was fortunate enough through some serendipity, to get into a world of personal development and a world of being able to start my own business and invest in property in my mid 20s, when I was lost. So what would I choose which road would I choose the road of never questioning anything and just accepting my lot, or the road of more risk, and you know, more critics and more challenge, but more growth and more self awareness and more success, our time that lots of road every day, the week? But that’s why choice. I’m not saying that is everyone’s choice.
David Ralph [21:05]
No, that’s that’s right. And you will save it and everybody will save it if it goes your way. And of course, for every Rob more, there’s somebody else that has tried everything they can and haven’t achieved and hasn’t gone it over the hill. You know, I was in a country park the other day, Rob, and I saw a couple of disabled people walking along, and they were with their carers. And they look so happy. I’d never seen people in the last year or so. Same back happy. And I actually said to my wife, with all their physical issues, and problems from the outside, you would say, you know, they’ve got a bad one of it. But actually, who has the people who just accepting that moment that that moment in the sunshine? Or the people striving, striving, striving?
Rob Moore [21:56]
It could be complicated. And let’s go there. You could have caught them on a good day, David. And they could, you know, you could have caught one another day. And it could be awful, you could have been had a slightly nostalgic view, because you were having a bad day. I’m not questioning what you’re saying. But there’s some variables. But some people who’ve got much harder life, they don’t know any different. And so in that regard, there’s a level of acceptance. And what I believe everything we discussed in life, David exists in a paradox where there’s no left or right or up or down, or black or white or right or wrong. There’s all variables simultaneously existing in this equation. So on the one hand, acceptance is very powerful. Because when you accept a situation in your life, you can let go of all the pain. But do you accept a life of mediocrity? Well, for me, I’d rather have pain, and some moments of pleasure and success and achievement, then fully accepting a life of mediocrity. However, if I had physical disabilities, or I had things I couldn’t change, acceptance would be really powerful, because then I could make the best of it and be happy with what I’ve got.
David Ralph [23:15]
Yeah, and I agree with that, as well. And I heard no Gallagher from ISIS saying the other day. But when he was growing up, I knew you obviously come from a working class background, like I have Rob. And he said, when he was growing up, there was free classes, working class, middle class and upper class. He said, Now there’s four classes. And he said, there is a working class and lower there, there’s a kind of don’t want to work class, the ones that have just accepted their lot, and aren’t willing to push through, I laid a target audience for your book, I know you will, wherever you trying to get this book into the hands of the working class, or the ones that are looking at life saving, there’s no chance I’m not worth anything.
Rob Moore [24:05]
I mean, I’m not really a subscriber to identities or stereotypes that people put on. Because what it is, I believe, is just our search for simple meaning that our brains can handle in reality, I don’t think there are three classes or four classes, I think there are 7 billion individuals. And so I didn’t write my book for a class, I wrote my book for someone who wants to improve their life, who wants to increase that, in a sense of value and their outer sense of worth, increase their fees, earn a higher salary, feel good about themselves, whether that’s they feel often about themselves, and they just want some level of pride and respect and dignity, or they’re doing good, but they want to do better. And that could be employed or self employed, that could be working or not working, that could be an millionaire, or if you’re aware, I didn’t really think of it as a class, David more as a type of person.
David Ralph [25:05]
Do you not agree with over the wider demographics of these countries do operate within those that sort of class system, whether you agree with it or not. That’s how it operates in it.
Rob Moore [25:19]
There, you turn the question into a space. And
I think politically, you need demographics, you know, for votes for funding, etc. But for me, I tried to look at people as individuals and not stereotype, because I don’t think it serves what I’m doing if I was running for office, or as a politician, trying to get votes. If I was leading policy in this country, I’m obviously going to have to look at statistics. So I totally get that, David, it’s just not my world. And I doesn’t serve me to think like that. It serves me to respect an individual and not put them in a box.
David Ralph [26:05]
Now I go with that. I was just pushing you hard to see where Rob sits within what’s going on nowadays. Because we do see that, don’t we where people are on benefit streets. And they’ve got every opportunity to make probably a dramatic difference, because they’re starting from such a low point, but they’re not even willing to give it the first go.
Rob Moore [26:28]
Yeah, this is also complicated. Because, yes, there are some people that are caught in a bit of a victim mentality. But there are also some people who just haven’t had the chance and they haven’t had the education. And given that chance, and that education, they might succeed. You know, people talk about the millennials and the entitle generation, that’s another thing that irks me a bit because, you know, labouring generations, it’s really hard. Because I know plenty of people in the millennial generation, who work damn hard, and who are intelligent, and creative. And not this lazy, entitled, I don’t know glorified teenagers, a lot of people are saying Millennials are. So what I want to do as an employer, or as someone who wants to connect with people, I want to find the go getters, the people who are proactive, the people who want a better life. Now you can be doing badly, but want a better life, or you can see nearly half quite a lot and be entitled and play the victim mentality. That is ultimately a choice. But I do accept the fact some people don’t have that. I mean, I’m over 40 year old white male raised. Okay. You said working class? Yes, David, I wasn’t born into wealth, per se. But other than that, I struck the lottery pretty good with where I was born at what time I was born. And with the family that I was born in, and some people didn’t have that privilege. I like to remember that
David Ralph [28:01]
well. So you should, and I absolutely go along with family is key. And without family. For me personally, there’s nothing. Everything that I do is to help people on a wider sense. I’m not sure if I would do it if it would detract from the family bond for
Rob Moore [28:20]
sure. And yeah,
it’s a challenging one, isn’t it? Because the harder you work, and the more you dedicate yourself to your craft, and you are, the more successful you’re going to become. But if that takes you away from your family, that’s a great cost. And the people who are the most extremely successful, that is often the cost is their health or their family. Is that a cost you prepared to pay. And I admire you for being able to say, hey, look, I want to be successful, but not to the detriment of my health, my happiness and my family. Because actually success can be a downward spiral of more success at the cost of everything else. And I think in the society that we’re in right now, is easier to be more balanced. Because we’ve got the internet, we’ve got information at the speed of light, you could have more than one hustle, you know, you can have two or three income or four income streams. You can if you are away, you can use Skype and FaceTime to still see your family. So I like the modern world in that regard to be able to be more balanced, but the cost is overwhelming.
David Ralph [29:30]
Well, I I’m very good. I don’t have any connectivity. When I don’t want it. I totally disconnect. I have the ability to go off for a whole month, leave my business come back. It’s fine. Now with yourself when you’re growing a business like you have. And I suppose this does link back into Tim Ferriss, that ability to leave yourself not just closest to the door but the other side of the door. What you very aware of that building business? Oh, did you ever stage sort of trap yourself?
Rob Moore [30:04]
You’re probably better at me than that, David by the sound of a disconnect for a month. It saved me in some, you know, detox clinic or institution somewhere that I am a bit of an addict to my work. Because I do really love it. I always have quite an addictive personality. Give me a couple of Jim, you know, there’s pre workout Jim drinks, I’m addicted to them. Give me an iPhone or social media, I’m addicted to it give me a new passion or vocation, I’m addicted to it. So I do struggle with that David, and I kind of have to be forced or forced myself by compartmentalising my time to switch off and I’m not that good at switching off, I often don’t want to switch off. So that is an area of my life that a lot of people think I could do better. You could be my mentor on that for sure. Because I don’t think I’ve had a day, a full day where I’ve not thought about work or done at least some work when I mean work. I mean, I love what I do. But even if it’s just ideas and creativity, and I’ve not had a full day where the phone’s going off. And, you know, I’m aware of that. And I feel like it’s not to my detriment too much at the moment, because I feel like I’ve brought it back into balance a bit. But I look sounds like you should be advising me on that.
David Ralph [31:24]
So if you were going off to work, and your child, how many kids have you got? Well, that’s it. You got to and so, boy girl, yeah, both eight and four boys. One, okay, so yeah, you could eight, and you’re just going off to school, after work. And your eight year old said, Dad, I should have told you. I’ve got this big performance this morning. But you had a busy meeting planned, what came priority,
Rob Moore [31:53]
I’d go to the blade. Or I’ve been to all of these places reset is musical performances. Now this is so just so we understand. Because I run my own business and other you know, 86 staff and a pretty well systemized business, I can go and do all these things. My son played in the world of the six Golf Championships when he was five. I took I took months, a time off work. But I still check my phone. I still do emails, I still do Facebook Lives. I still go on social media, I just do it where I am. So kind of career I wrote a book called Life leverage, which is about creating this mobile lifestyle. And that’s essentially what I’ve done. So yeah, I’ve not missed a single thing for my kids. That’s important. I plan I’m on the golf course every morning until 11 o’clock with my son, but I am still somewhat connected.
David Ralph [32:51]
Well, he honestly Rob, you’ve gone up in my estimation you really have because that that is memories, isn’t it? Somebody said to me the other day, that family don’t spell love. And OV they spell it to me. And I think that’s true.
Rob Moore [33:05]
But you’re spot on and what Bobby and I have experienced on the golf course to get them all in ones we’ve had some hilarious times he we’ve crashed buggies. We’ve done all sorts of crazy stuff. We’ve had some challenges as well, because that’s life. And he’s won so many competitions. He’s lost some competitions have been a great caddy. I’ve also been terrible. What but what my son and I are bonded together on the golf course. You know, like, there’s some of the best memories of my life. And as my daughter’s growing up, I’m starting to do more things with her. Yeah, best best memories of my life.
David Ralph [33:44]
Yeah, I’m really genuinely pleased for you on that. So so taking away from your family and back to your business. And I suppose this leads to a conversation that I heard no Gallagher from oasis. And I heard it today. And he was saying, there was a point when he suddenly realised he didn’t have to worry about money anymore. And he was sitting in a flat, and a phone call came along. And I said we’ve just put a million pounds in your bank account. And he said, Is it all mine? And I said, Yeah, it’s all yours. And then about four hours later, they phoned up and said, there’s another million. And so we got 2 million in one day. And he knew that his life was never going to be the same again, with the same kind of financial stresses that people have. Do you remember that moment in your own life when you fought yourself? I’ve taken away that issue that perhaps my dad had, and my mom had, and I’m absolutely free from that.
Rob Moore [34:37]
I’d say for me that as when are my net worth got to about 10 million. Now my accountant, my wife and my business partner, tell me all the time, don’t tell them what your net worth is, you know, like, whether it’s not whether it’s a booming listing, or just actually that you know, like from just a practical security thing. So I’ve got about or when I made my first million, it was a landmark to me, David, but you can’t retire for the rest of your life on a million quid now when know made those 2 million in a day, I guess that was the 90s. with inflation, that’s a million is not a lot of money anymore. You cannot live your whole life at work a million, you might only get 50 grand a year income 5% on that, if you invest it well, which most people don’t know how to do, a 50 grand for a family is going nowhere. So I kept sort of because a lot of people asked me for this advice like 10s of thousands because I’ve written a book called money. I’ve got some a lot of followers who follow me for this kind of not advice, but you know, help if you like, and how much is enough? Well, for me when I got to 10 as Okay, done for life. My kids are probably done for life of solid my parents out because I retired them and I gave him I gave them the house and keep buying a car every two years and all that kind of stuff.
So yeah, that was probably the point.
David Ralph [36:02]
And is it is that something now that you look back on it now and you think that would still be your threshold? Because as you expand mentally? Would it now be 100 million? Would it be you know, cuz I remember one person saying it was hard to get from a pound to 100. But quite easy to get from a million to 5 million?
Rob Moore [36:23]
Yeah, I think certainly, it’s easier to get from some million to some million than from nothing to 100 grand. Definitely. Because you’ve got that momentum, no background, no experience, no knowledge, no contacts. So I’ve thought about this a lot, because I turned 40 this year, David, and I don’t need to work, but I do. But it actually work as work, I see it as my vocation, my vacation as well as my vocation. And so I could stop any day, I could sell some of my assets. And I wouldn’t you know, I’d probably get half of 70 million quid if I sold some of my properties and one of my businesses. And so why don’t I because I wouldn’t feel fulfilled, I wouldn’t feel important, I wouldn’t feel valuable. So, but that being said, I don’t need 500 million. And I now know the cost of having millions security, you know, people wanting money of you all the time judging you. Because you’ve got money, insurances, I mean, I have a Lamborghini events two or 6000 pounds, Don’t show me on nice 4000 pound for a basic service. Yes. So like, you know, I’m not looking for sympathy, but people wouldn’t understand the downsides of wealth until they’ve had it. And so I would say where I’m at now is I want to keep doing what I’m doing it added some value. And I would like to keep making some more money to just for some time know that I’m progressing. And to By the way, because that’s nice. I don’t need 500 million or 10 million not really done. I’ll get will hopefully be more but I’ve got enough.
David Ralph [38:12]
But But what we did not get to a point, as we’ve seen with gates and Buffett, and I think they’ve got the the pledge fund or whatever, when I start giving it back to good causes. Isn’t that something that naturally drives people once they get past that? That survival figure of Hey, I’m okay to actually then start leaving a legacy.
Rob Moore [38:34]
Yeah, well, I mean, I sat like 18 months ago when I was 38. Not when I was 5868, like a lot of people do. So I tried to get ahead of the curve on that. And I do often do some good charity raises raised a good few million for various courses over the years. And I give probably two or three hours of my time a day, podcast interviews, one two uncles and people who are struggling. So yeah, I see it as an important part of responsibility of, if you do okay in life, to pass it on to others. It also feels really good, David, you know, like, what feels better putting 100 grand in your bank, or helping someone who was really struggling to turn their life around the latter. Now look, 10 million in my bank now, even better than 100 grand, but it does feel really good to help people. So there’s that selfish element as well of helping people?
David Ralph [39:26]
Well, let’s play some words now of a man who created the whole theme of Join Up Dots. He said these words back in 2005. And let’s hear him again, here, Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [39:36]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
Rob Moore [40:13]
Yeah, very much. I mean, he made a big difference to the world. And he did make the day you wanted. So yeah.
David Ralph [40:19]
Now with those words, do you look back on your own life? And think yes, I can seamlessly join up my dots or? Or does it become too convenient? Is it quite easy to miss out things?
Rob Moore [40:34]
Yeah, I think looking backwards, is easy to say all this happened for this reason. And this happened for that reason, when there may have been some serendipity in it some fortune, some attrition where you were just persistent and relentless. And sometimes you look back and go, Okay, I did that. How did that work? I’ll keep doing that. And then sometimes it doesn’t work anymore. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t keep striving to want to learn more grow more to figure things out.
David Ralph [41:02]
And what is the difference between a Rob Moore and a Steve Jobs? What what takes people to such a global level? Is it mindset? Is it luck? Is it persistence? Is it all the above?
Rob Moore [41:17]
Well, that would be a bit a bit egotistical of me to answer that, because I’ve never achieved the financial or corporate level of success of Steve Jobs. So I don’t know what it’s like to be Steve Jobs. I’ve read up on Steve Jobs, I’ve read on thousands of entrepreneurs. So I’ve got an idea. But I’ve done that vicariously, not myself. So I think I may be appear to have a tweet by answering that. And what I can say is that I don’t want to die. And I’m 50. And I want people to like me, as well as respect me. And so maybe I won’t build the world’s biggest company. Because maybe I don’t want the costs that came with that the Steve Jobs at the time.
David Ralph [42:11]
But isn’t it because I would have answered that quite easily. Whether it was right or wrong. But I would have said it’s about finding as much value for other people. That that that seems to be the key that runs through everything, the more you can make a difference to other people’s lives, the more your life changes.
Rob Moore [42:31]
Yeah, you’re absolutely right on that. I mean, from study of thousands of years and hundreds of books, the three main common commonalities wealth, or a grand vision, and a sense of greater destiny beyond yourself, a desire to serve, you know, many, many people and on a probably global or even in nowadays, intergalactic scale and level there the format for the richest people in history, but learn the richest people in history, not by me being the richest person in history and being able to tell you that.
David Ralph [43:09]
So just before we send you back in time on the Sermon on the mic to connect with your younger self, what would be a sort of defining.in your life when you look back to where you are? Was there a conversation or a job or something you did that you really gave you the springboard to where you are?
Rob Moore [43:29]
So what was my dad’s nervous breakdown on December the 15th 2005? Is he powerful in front of all of his customers were he had a massive nervous breakdown and that he got arrested and beaten up by the police publicly. And that was our first experience of his bipolar. I felt shame humiliation, I was 25 going on 26 working in my dad’s pub completely dependent on my parents with no direction in life. That triggered something I didn’t know what why as I didn’t know why how I just knew inside I had to start searching and stepping up. And then only about 10 days later, no, it was actually less because it was probably the day before you break up for Christmas. So it was probably like five days later, I went to a property networking event because a gallery owner was hanging my art said you should get along to these you’ve been saying to me for years, I dismissed it will now add a greater reason to do that. And I met my business partner, their first time I went to a networking event last person I spoke to our group of about 12 people. And we’re still business partners today. And you know, we vital to each other’s success. That’s
David Ralph [44:40]
powerful stuff, networking, and situations. And that’s the thing about if we go back to benefit Street, most of those people getting off their sofas and meeting people and talking and and getting into the community that would start things for them. When
Rob Moore [44:59]
do you know what i’m ready a book at the moment called opportunity. And you’re spot on about that, David, you’ve got to get yourself out there, you got to put yourself out there, you got to get in front of people, you got to get in uncomfortable situations, you got to get on social media, you got to do live videos, you got to go to a networking event, you got to meet people, you got to stay late, you got to go early, I want to make you sound hot. But the more you put yourself out there, the more you find opportunity. And if you don’t, it doesn’t knock on your door. And when I was introverted and are struggling with my art painting in my house, I would wish that an agent or gallery owner or a rich Russian art collector would come and knock on my door. And they never did.
David Ralph [45:35]
brilliant, brilliant stuff. Well, this is the part that we’ve been building up to this is the part that we called a sermon on the mind, when we’re going to send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young Rob, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give him? Well, we’re going to find out because I’m going to play the music. And when it fades Europe, this is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [46:03]
Here we go with the best
Unknown Speaker [46:06]
beer of the show.
Rob Moore [46:20]
So I would go back to about 23 years old. Maybe it would be December the 15th. My dad’s birthday, he worked every birthday and every Christmas, where I’m lost going out drinking Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday night, and rely on my parents income living in the flub of the pub. And I would say two years if you don’t saw your life out and start your art business, or going through some properties like these people are telling you to do do something for yourself. UW gonna have a massive breakdown in his pub, and he’s going to be very ill and you’re gonna have a hard time with him for many years. And I would say to myself, just because you don’t know what to do yet, doesn’t mean you can’t do it. Just because you’re scared doesn’t mean you can’t succeed. And you don’t have to go and make massive changes, you can still live with your mom and dad for a year or two. Don’t have to put big stress on your overhead to take massive risks. But go out and try things, those things you’ve always wanted to do with your life. Go try and go do some paintings and try to sell them. Go see some properties and try and buy them.
Don’t be scared.
Take a few risks. And the things that you know you want to do in life that you’ve been putting off because you think you need to help your parents or you feel like you’re going to fail and look stupid. Try them big because the longer time goes on and you do the things in life that you sold out, and you’ve accepted, the worst life gets. And it gets to the point where it gets so bad that the bad things happen to people you love and you want to be in control of that situation.
David Ralph [48:13]
Rob, what’s the number one best way that our audience can connect with you, sir? I would say
Rob Moore [48:18]
search me on Amazon. Rock more. Search me in Google rock more. And I have a podcaster disruptive entrepreneur. Sorry.
David Ralph [48:31]
That’s fine. I’ll let you up. Rob, thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining up those dots. Please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Mr. Rob Moore, thank you so much.
Rob Moore [48:49]
Thank you, David. Thank you everyone.
David Ralph [48:53]
Mr. Rob Moore. So I’m worth more realise your value unleash your potentials good books, good read. I’m ploughing through it at the moment as I say and basically it says on the back I read you the blurb Do you feel good about yourself? Do you earn what you’re really worth? Are you living to your full potential? If you can’t answer a resounding yes to these men I’m worth more is the book for you. Grateful for stuff. If you want more from Rob SSA, you can go over to his podcast you can find him on Google by the if you want more Join Up Dots you know where we are. Come back soon and I will be here waiting for you. Thank you so much for listening. That was Join Up Dots. Cheers. Bye bye.
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